Fixing explosive mistakes | MM(X) #7
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- The Marble Ring Lift showed time and time again that it happily spills marbles. Now, we try to get fewer floor marbles from the MRL transition!
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Turn Me Up - Martin Klem
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It's nice to see that the MMX gets the love and attention it deserves. Following for updates
yeah its great machine jsut not the right design for wourld tour rater more thing for use in msuic studio
It will play tight music before MM3!
Its what all the viewers wanted to do while watching.
No disrespect to martin obviously without his blood sweat and tears there would be no machine to optimize.
The "new" things Martin is working on are interesting and everything, but I'm still infinitely more invested in the MMX journey - THANK YOU MUSIKKABINETT for keeping the MMX alive!!!!!
This is so heatwarming, you all are doing such an amazing work of staying in spirit with what Martin made and still raising the quality to make it a viable machine. Huge fan of the engineering and the artful nature of it in this channel!
Thank you, we try to do our best :)
Honestly, this is the content I love. So much fun seeing people work within constraints on such a beautiful, intricate machine. Not that Martin's current project is misguided, but it has lost the charm and beauty that the MMX had.
I think thats just because of the early Stage. As soon as some marbles will roll, his content will be more Like This again
@@jonnyq2113 I certainly hope so!
I'm curious on Martin's reaction to this pragmatic "getting it to work"-fixes.
It probably reveals a lot of darlings he wasn't able to kill 😀.
That would be worth a video.
I'm happy to see it's getting the attention it deserves. Just disappointed that Martin never really played anything on it. It needs its own song. Like MM did
I understand why Martin moved on to a new plan, but it warms my heart to know that this machine will still be able to make music one day because all of you are working hard to give it the life we all hoped for when Martin first started the project!
I only watch the MMX videos from time to time so i'm not fully up to date on what happens, why is the MMX not with Martin any more?
@@cypherdras, after Martin accepted that the machine will never become what he had intended it to be in autumn 2021, he handed it over to Siegfrieds Mechanisches Musikkabinett, a museum for music automata, in spring 2022. Here, the community got the opportunity to continue working on it :)
wow I cant believe I missed all these videos until now. Having followed the build of MMX and feeling devastated that Martin had to give up on this amazing machine, I am so happy to see it being finished by a group of people who clearly love it as well.
This is so amazing to see. I'm so happy that you are improving and finishing, rather than just "preserving" the MMX. It really takes a team of engineers to make this work, but also a fresh pair of eyes is always helpful. So glad to see some of the more pragmatic solutions, while still making it look beautiful. It really feels like a relief after following Martin for so long.
Thanks Lucas and volunteer team for doing and showing the MMX updates and completing it. Playing the Marble song on the MMX during fhe Wintergatan meetup last summer is one of the most memorable events in my entire life.(and I am 64).
Seeing the work we put into it being appreciated is wonderful :) So, thank you for enjoying the MMX!
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees I don't think you know how happy it makes me to see that MMX is actually getting completed! It was so close before and I was devastated when Martin stopped. Glad to see its legacy continues on
OMG Glad i made it here!
A quick tip on the router--if you buy "compression" bits, you will get a clean cut on top and bottom of the cut. These bits combine up cut and down cut spirals on the same bit. They are designed to make the cut in a single pass. And then down cut spirals for machining pockets. Even with perfect feeds and speeds, an upcut spiral will splinter on the top surface, so the right cutters will make a big difference.
So cool to see the MMX live on!
I really see now that Martin needs someone that can pull him out of the weeds when he doing these projects. It will be great when this instrument is fully functional.
I love that Martin and the crew stepped up, and let you guys finish this grand design! And also an applause for the fact that you guys are nailing that! Keep it up!
So glad, that this machine lives on
So happy that you took this project over!! Can't wait to see more progress
Didn't expect you to make a new gear, very nice work
More like re-engineering than restoration. Love the design language with plywood-sheetmetal combos.
That's true. MM will be a lot closer to a restoration though.
This video has a pretty good production quality.
nice to see this project progressing. The only question is whether you'll finish before Martin will bring you his next unfinished machine...
Its already there! See the first three seconds! Well, the prototype at least.
@@MusikkabinettWow, amazing work! So when can we potentially expect to see a music piece played on it?
@@Jonson1st Our release schedule isn't deterministic enough to answer that 😅 Though I'm sure it played the MM song during the wintergatan community meetup livestream.
Wow! Great work. What an undertaking. You are making a lot of people very happy.
MMX is the REAL marble mashine. Thanks for sharing your work on my dream!!!!!
I love these updates. The MMX deserves the love and care you are all putting into it. Excited to keep seeing progress.
I think this just goes to show that Martin was trying to do too much by himself, even taking advice from the community. The project is being brought forward by a great team who are able to get more done between themselves as they are working as a team. Best of luck everyone working on this.
Good to see MMX living on and growing. I think it will be the coolest marble machine, beating even the new one. :)
Oh this is fantastic, well done for picking this up. This really warms my heart. I was so sad when Martin gave up and went down the weird self help/ elon musk path of life
Love seeing you all working on the machine and the improvements are looking fabulous, thank you for explaining the differences and for your hard work and dedication to keeping the MMX alive - hope you are doing well! ❤
Man seeing a new video get uploaded by you guys is such a blessing❤❤❤
amazing to see it!!
Became petreon member just now. I love it that the machine is not wasted! It is a piece of art.
I can´t help but have a feeling that this will probably be the only finished MM made....
I am glad someone is fixing the MMX, because the new one, Martin is working on, will be ready (to be fixed by someone else) in 5 years...
Yeah, the real fans are right here watching MMX get completed!
You are being optimistic, I was thinking more about 25 years, as he seems more busy studying gravity and what more at the moment. ;-)
lmfao. thats one hell of a burn. 😅☠️
After a hundred of Martins iterations he will end up using just computer to make music 😢
I think a lot of us were along for the ride, but waiting for the day he would make music again. It's sad that he's going down another excessively long road and won't be making his unique style of music again any time soon.
Magnificent, I thought the last video was final and I saw that there was no explanation on this point. I'm glad it continues. If it also replaces gray PVC, the MMX will surely be the prettiest MM!! And maybe with a note timing not so far from the MM3. 😃 👍
Thank you for the French subtitles!
In fact after some use the MMX will perhaps even have better timing if the MM3 offsets the doors while keeping the bowden cables solution.
More are on their way to come!
@@Musikkabinett So nice :)
A shame Martin gave up, instead of working on fixing the last bits and pieces. Can’t wait to see it finished and playing.
I'm happy people are finishing what people supported Martin for after he abandonded it.
I just remember watching Martin's "Making MMX" a few years ago, and now I find a video "MMX restoration"
Great progress! And somehow I really like the light style of the video.
I'm so delighted to see the MMX being finished. I followed the WW series consistently as it was taking shape. Looks like I'll be following this series now.
I love this so much!
Da denkt man, es gibt nichts cooles in Deutschland und plötzlich haben wir eine Marble Machine ^^
Genaugenommen 2. Aber eins nach dem anderen. :)
So glad to see another update, and all the love you are putting to the machine! Love having lots of different members of the team present work too, more of that please!
Thanks so much🎉 I’ll be following this progress, it IS worthwhile
This machine is truly art
Whoever did the intro video did a good job!
Id love to see someone actually completing it :)
Stay tuned for the upcoming episodes!
Well done! It'd be awesome to see the MMX come to life reliably!
Oh here it is. I've been missing this machine since Martin lost the plot.
You guys are awesome for taking on the MMX. It's also lovely to get more content like this, I really enjoy it. Keep up the great work. ❤
Amazing work!
So happy that the MMX is being finished. All we wanted to see was it being used to its full potential, but Martin pulled the plug on us all. I feel sorry for all those people who invested time and money in supplying MMX parts and designs, only for it to be given up on.
Awesome work everyone involved!
Wonderfully made video❤
let's see more of it😊
i quite like how the machine gets a litte touch of you all
very good systematic work
Thank you for continuing with the MMX 👏👏👏
Thank you! I like that you’re all also contributing to the artistic style of the piece with your solutions. Thank you so much for contributing to this and finishing it. 🖖🐰🍷
You guys are the best!! Keeping mmx alive!!!
Thank you to all the team. I look forward to hear that anytime soon 🎉
I am so happy to see how you keep on the work with your energy! Great job!
Tanks for the update and great video!
Guys to go viral, just rearrange the marble machine cover with MMX in the same style of the original video.... but the video and the music must be great!
I don't think they mentioned it in this video, but the old ring lift had 108 magnets (compared to 100 in the new ring lift). You can count the magnets in Martin's video "Lifting Marbles with Magnets, MMX #13"
ruclips.net/video/xZSmyg-1fFU/видео.html
Great stuff!!
Das tut so gut! Danke!
Great to see you guys! What you are doing is amazing. Keep going!
Thank you so much! I hope you can come again next summer :D
@@Koffeinsuechtigi Me too!
Id advice that the mechanism to move the marbles from the collection to the wheel should be a wide slide rather than a narrow pipe.
This is so great! Keep it up!
i still believe that Martin could have made a usable machine that could tour from this. 😅
I'm afraid it's not that simple... The machine broke down every day of the Wintergatan Community Meetup (mostly the parts shown in this video) and even when working loses ten marbles every minute.
It's amusing enough for a demonstration but concert venues would not like it very much.
Keep up the great work!
I'm Surprised that you guys chose to continue using the plastic PVC pipes for the Outtro of the first lift-gate, considering their history of failure. What I would suggest, if you want to keep the marbles as visible as possible on their journey upwards, is to have the outtro pipe be made from a series of metal wire, akin to the catching gates, or like the marble tracks in a pinball machine. Alternatively, you could use a similar structure of wood to achieve the same result if the metal proves to be problematic due to the magnetized marbles.
I'm no engineer, but I do like to think practically, and I appreciate the work you guys have done on MMX so far to bring it to a playable state! Thank you for keeping at it, and I look forward to next time!
Having the PMMA pipes as a form of fuse there is a nice benefit compared to a metal or wood structure.
@@Musikkabinett I get that, I just thought it might be easier to bend or cut metal compared to the piping, since you have to heat it and bend it so carefully. I take it it's more precise than I imagine?
@@AlexerXodiaczoderia, one of the issues with metal rods as tracks is that they don't always want to constrain the marbles the way we would like them to, take the escapement gates as an example ;)
As we knew that there is a point where pressure can get high when too many marbles are arriving at the mrl1 outro and should get out, it was the question of where we want to have the weak spot that will give. We don't enjoy that pipe breaking, and we modified the outro/intro quite a bit over time to get it to behave, but if something has to give and spill marbles it's better to have it happen there, where dropping marbles tend less to fall into the gears but rather down next to them.
@@Koffeinsuechtigi Also a fair point. I just was thinking about what could be done to make sure it _doesn't_ break, but being able to at least _control_ where it can break is a decent alternative.
Worst case scenario, you just make some spare pipes as backups in case one fails.
And in either case, the work you guys have done so far is really impressive. The solutions that you guys have made so far have not only retained the visual aspect of Martin's ideas, but they've also more practically solved issues that the MMX had with simpler or more straightforward solutions. I look forward to seeing it play once you guys have it working fully!
@@AlexerXodiaczoderia, with that part, especially while we were figuring out the details, it was valuable to have a chosen weak spot^^' Though, I'm not the one who should say that, as it's not me who ended up doing all the necessary pipe bending - that would be Ellie!
Thanks :D On two of the three days of the meetup it worked, and by now the broken outro/intro that prevented it playing on the third day is also improved :)
Keep up the good work !!
Wonderful!
Yeah baby!
Maybe you need to rethink heat treating after welding?
Dear, I miss Martins music. From Wintergatan to Christian Rock about chastity.
Luckily the work is stellar. Keep it up!
I unsubbed to Wintergatan because of how he just abandoned the MMX and are now down bad in the feature creep spiral. Thanks for reviving this masterpiece.
a continuação de um sonho.
I am surprised of the defending and fixing of the whole magnetic system. I would have personally scraped the entire system for a marble elevator/escalator. Seems like such a spot of burden and frustration.
Lucas explained here under which conditions we were working on the machine and what guided us when deciding on modifications. I hope this helps in explaining why we didn't try to replace the whole mechanism.
ruclips.net/video/hq2YIXOhtHc/видео.html&lc=UgwBuYljKo_9E-m6L714AaABAg.9vuOp9lZEKt9vvBirimPro
What sort of limitations do you have in terms of how much you can modify Martin's design? Do they come from Martin, are they self-imposed, or some combination?
They are given by the museum, we shouldn't change designs completely, but we were allowed to make modifications that led to it being functional (within museum conditions, so not being set up on a new stage every night and such ;) )
Basically you try to stay close to the design intent without compromising functionality if possible.
MMX is an interesting case here since its intention is to be finished, so you don't have strict limitations from a collecting standpoint.
MM will be quite a bit trickier in that regard.
Martin gave up any decision making around MM & MMX which is quite astonishing in itself.
Before I continue watching, I have a question. And I don't know why this wasn't the solution Martin went for in the first place. The pipe broke because the lower wheel turned faster then the upper wheel, feeding more marbles then the upper could handle.
So, if the upper wheel was already at its maximum capacity, why not reduce the amount of magnets in the lower wheel?
I means the problem is simple.
It's all about taking x marbles per y time. It's not about holding marbles at the same time, its not about transporting or rotation speed, it's about taking marbles out of the system.
The lower wheel needs fewer magnet to reduce the amount of marbles it can draw so it hands less over to the next wheel and not overloading the pipe in between.
Some second later: they used this exact solution.
Even though I might have "just" spaced the magnets out a bit instead of increasing the material on the wheel.
some new hardware I see.
8:25 If that pipe is a weak spot and breaks in use. Couldn't you replace that pipe with metal pipe, maybe with aluminum since the lifts are magnetic.
The thing is that it's also not too bad to have an intentional weak spot there that gives and is repairable. If it's the pipe that breaks then the marbles tend to spill more next to the gears and less into the gears. If the pipe is not the thing to give and the "pressure relief" was to happen somewhere up-stream then the marbles spill into the gears which brings another host of issues with it.
Currently, the pipe is - touch wood - behaving, though! :D
Whats does MRL stand for? thanks
Marble Ring Lift
yesssssssssssss
Looking at the machine at the end i don't see anything missing. It looks finished 😅
Stay tuned for the upcomig episodes! A few things are missing but it is near completion now!
@@Musikkabinettif Martin plays the Marble Machine song just once on the completed MMX I will bawl like a baby.
Do y'all ever play it? I can't video of it actually playing
Stay tuned a new Episode is on its way!
It shows how flawed the MMX was when you have to fix the 3rd part ever made.
So am Range; dürfte man vorbeischauen? :D
Grundsätzlich geht das schon. Am einfachsten wäre es, wenn du über Discord nochmal anfragst. Da antworten dann die passenden Leute.
like u review someone video and slap random music on top of it.. where the machine sound? please.
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Can you please use instrumental music in your montages, the music is distracting.
*promosm* 🙂
Voiceover guy: you need to practice a little English with a big peice of carrot between yout teeth(trick from theatre practice) before you record, because i can't understand half the words you say. You know the language very well but you swallow half of them.
The other people might have a stronger accent but at least you can understand every word
I hope the subtitles help in that case ;)
Will definitely need to do some practice. And speak quite a bit slower. Though the footage for the next episode is already shot so it won't change by then I'm afraid :)