I feel that "The Wise" is not a very appropriate translation of a "вещий" (vie-schiy). It more close to "the clairvoyant" or "the prophetic". But it seems established a long time ago
Yeah, "вещий" means "prophetic" in modern russian, but it is derived from the same root as an obsolete verb "ведать", which meant "to know or possess wisdom", whence we could hypothesize "the wise"
5:45 This is likely not an allegory, but a poetic borrowing from Book of Ezekiel. The Primary Chronicle, as you know, quotes the Bible extensively, up to using direct biblical quotations to describe the events. The scene of Oleg seizing Constantinople quotes Book of Ezekiel prophesy of seizing of Tyr extensively, it almost entirely consists of quotations. And then one passage says: "Fine embroidered linen from Egypt was your sail and served as your banner; your awnings were of blue and purple from the coasts of Elishah." (NIV Ezekiel 27:7). This is used in a series of sentences that overall serve as an establishing framing of richness of the City of Tyr, and is very likely uses by the writer of the Chronicles to designate the now-richness of the Rus. The interpretation is not clear, ofc, but the sails detail being among all the other Ezekiel references is very unlikely to be coincidental.
Yes! I remember reading about that. Back then writers had this strange method of ctreating texts by compiling and mixing parts of the bible, even basic structure of texts followed bible pretty closely. It is at least can help a bit with making sense of ancient texts, or make things even more complicated.
RUS, RUJ, RUD, RUM are the main parts of the words, in the Serbian language, which are used to indicate the bright yellow-red color. In our language, Rusi (Russians) is a designation for Slavs with lighter skin and hair. Greetings to all Eastern Slavs!
@@sositehui6483 Krivichi are one of the Slavic tribes in the eastern part of Europe. Adding the suffixes ICH indicates a tribal/family community, not an entire ethnic group as Slavs.
@@sositehui6483A similar thing occurs when you consider different names for Germany in different languages - several of them reference a German tribe closest to them
It's rather. Ee-gor. Like Dracula's butler. Though both Ee-gor and Eye-gor are just different English pronunciations of same Slavic name. Almost certainly derives from Old Norse 'Ingvarr.' But became so Slavic it's iconic in horror genre now in multiple ways.
There were many Rus/Viking raids in Tabaristan (Caspian regions of Persia) during the Middle Ages through the Caspian sea. There was even a Viking ship discovered in Tabaristan some years ago, if I'm not mistaken.
Are you sure the story about the nettles is allegorical? Nettles can be used to make a fine fabric similar to linen. It's possible Oleg saw some of it and wanted it for his fleet as a status symbol, along with silk. Unlike silk however it's not especially strong so it could easily have torn apart as described.
Very enjoyable look into this topic. You don't get too many these well researched videos of Eastern European history or such topics and even if I have actually had some uni level courses of Russian history, there is a lot to learn for me at least as these have been very basic. Odd to think how much people have relied on semimythical Chronicles, but well sources are scarce so I guess we have still to in part especially since they often have a grain of truth in them. BTW. Come to think of it funny how similar many of these stories are as those of pirates covered in Gold and Gunpowder channel, but well both are about raiders in strange lands so there is the connection. Anyway, cheers!
Hi, thanks for the video, great job! I would like to know what track is always playing at the very beginning of the video? in the description on RUclips, the track is different, not the one in the video
Hej. Just started learning Swedish language. Interesting to learn the history and culture of the region as well, and to hear a Swedish accent and intonation in the English narration. Tack.
I wonder if the events in the Caspian sea is somewhat contemporary to "Ingvar the Widetravled" and his disasterous campaign in the same area that have left a trail of runestones all over Sweden in particular?
@@АлександрМолчюнникакие Рюриковичи не славяне и близко. Я понимаю что современный нарратив великодержавности и независимости не позволяет людям спокойно это признать но то что Рюриковичи были скандинавами это факт подтвержденный археологией. Было найдено миллион абсолютно скандинавских предметов быта которые появляются в северной части тогдашней Руси как раз аккурат в те года когда по летописям призвали Рюрика с его дружиной. Все это говорит о том что Рюрик с дружиной с вероятностью в 100% были скандинавами
@@WithNoRegret1They were Scandinavian. I descend from Anne of Kiev and Agatha of Kiev. Anne of Kiev: Princess of Kievan Rus’, wife of King Henry I of France, and mother of King Philip I of France. She was a daughter of Yaroslav the Wise, Grand Prince of Kiev, and Ingigerd of Sweden. Anne’s marriage to Henry I of France strengthened the ties between France and Kievan Rus’. Agatha of Kiev (Wife of Edward the Exile): A noblewoman from Kievan Rus’, wife of Edward the Exile, and mother of Edgar Ætheling, Saint Margaret of Scotland, and Cristina of England. Agatha’s origins are shrouded in mystery, with various theories suggesting she might be a daughter of Yaroslav the Wise, a Hungarian king, or a German count. Her rare Greek name and the presence of Greek and Swedish names among her children hint at possible connections to the Byzantine Empire or Kievan Rus’.
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 They were both born in Kiev and were Rus princesses, and the Kievan Rus were of Scandinavian origins. I don't care for the regime in Kiev or Moscow btw. I have no comment on the current conflict or the fighting over historical events based on the nationalist narratives of either side.
maybe Oleg was the king not Rurik but after his death in Persia power passed to Igor the son of Rurik whether legally or illegally , and after Igor’s descendants became the rulers of the Rus lands they wrote history as if Rurik was the king and Igor was the crown prince and Oleg was just the regent
It wasn't Azerbaijan until 20th century. In 940s the area was most likely referred to either as Arran or Shirvan. Azerbaijan is the area to the south of it (in modern-day Iran).
What was strange to me about his death is that snake poison killed him. I have never seen poisonous snakes even in the southern regions. Maybe back then more snakes were creeping around?
Demographics - 1000 AD Kievan Rus and Eastern Slavia, @ 5, 000, 000 +/- Dutchy of Gniezno of the Polans [Kingdom of Lechia, now Poland] 1, 000,000 +/- [same borders as today] Kingdom of Norway 200 000 +
Could Oleg have died early in his Azerbaijani campaign and been replaced as leader by a kinsman aiming to carry on his plan named Sveinald? I wonder if the Rus had a name for Baku.
Very glad to see the change in spelling to Kyiv. Glad to see you've listened to the community feedback on your last video about the city. Keen to watch the video, love your channel.
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 relying on an authority of a single writer doesn’t make their information reliable. All sources have to be chalked and compared against another
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 you should have two primary sources to cross reference any information, unless it may be tested..history cannot be tested.. I found it - ch.9 “Κιοάβα, τὸ ἐπονομα ζόμενον Σαμβατάς” Kiev, also called Sambatas Says Novgorod, Smolensk, Teliutza, Chernihiv, Vyshegrad gathered in Kyiv and sailed to Constantinople ibn Rustah, Abu Sa'id Gardezi, and an author of the Hudud al-'Alam called it Zanbat. I guess close enough
All the 'speculations' I saw in this vid are based on mainstream theories trying to reconcile few historical sources we have on the subject, and the author always notes the hypothetical nature of the narrative. Now, a genuine question: what does Olaf Haraldsson have to do with the subject of this video? Haven't he like took a refuge with his family in Rus once 100 years after Oleg and Igor?
@@LeeGee or when they call a country Germany, that is infact called Deutschland, or Italy for a country called Italian. But the media has told them what do, and like the good sheep they are they obey.
I feel that "The Wise" is not a very appropriate translation of a "вещий" (vie-schiy). It more close to "the clairvoyant" or "the prophetic". But it seems established a long time ago
Да вещий это как колдун ведь среди язычников это была нормой именно поэтому Рюрик доверил жизнь сына жрецу Олегу.
Yeah, "вещий" means "prophetic" in modern russian, but it is derived from the same root as an obsolete verb "ведать", which meant "to know or possess wisdom", whence we could hypothesize "the wise"
That's exactly what "wise" originally meant
"Віщий" means "Guy, who KNOWS [about his Death]"
6:05
>"Oleg arrived in Kyiv shortly before 9/11"
COINCIDENCE?! 🤔🤔🤔
a second longship just sailed on wheels into the hagia sophia!!!
@@balticempire7244 Have you ever seen wooden ships crushing stone walls before? I haven't neither.
🤔🤔🤔
I knew it. Oleg did 9/11.
@@jerrymacctheukrainanlorema7659 Constantinople, 1000 A D - population 300 000 +
Love your videos, i know research, scripting and editing takes a long time but quality content like this is very much missed in my daily life
5:45
This is likely not an allegory, but a poetic borrowing from Book of Ezekiel.
The Primary Chronicle, as you know, quotes the Bible extensively, up to using direct biblical quotations to describe the events.
The scene of Oleg seizing Constantinople quotes Book of Ezekiel prophesy of seizing of Tyr extensively, it almost entirely consists of quotations.
And then one passage says:
"Fine embroidered linen from Egypt was your sail
and served as your banner;
your awnings were of blue and purple
from the coasts of Elishah." (NIV Ezekiel 27:7).
This is used in a series of sentences that overall serve as an establishing framing of richness of the City of Tyr, and is very likely uses by the writer of the Chronicles to designate the now-richness of the Rus.
The interpretation is not clear, ofc, but the sails detail being among all the other Ezekiel references is very unlikely to be coincidental.
Yes! I remember reading about that. Back then writers had this strange method of ctreating texts by compiling and mixing parts of the bible, even basic structure of texts followed bible pretty closely. It is at least can help a bit with making sense of ancient texts, or make things even more complicated.
RUS, RUJ, RUD, RUM are the main parts of the words, in the Serbian language, which are used to indicate the bright yellow-red color. In our language, Rusi (Russians) is a designation for Slavs with lighter skin and hair. Greetings to all Eastern Slavs!
Slavic self-name is Krivichi. Kriv, krov, krev,..- blood, blood relatives.
@@sositehui6483 Krivichi are one of the Slavic tribes in the eastern part of Europe. Adding the suffixes ICH indicates a tribal/family community, not an entire ethnic group as Slavs.
@@sositehui6483 Krv, krov, krev - blood is also said in Slavic languages.
@@sositehui6483На территорию кривичей пришли варяги полабские князя.
@@sositehui6483A similar thing occurs when you consider different names for Germany in different languages - several of them reference a German tribe closest to them
Hope you do St. Olga of Kyiv/Kiev next. ❤
Eye-gor? The guy from Young Frankenstein? I didnt know he was so old and of high birth! 😂 (Couldnt resist)
It's rather.
Ee-gor.
Like Dracula's butler.
Though both Ee-gor and Eye-gor are just different English pronunciations of same Slavic name.
Almost certainly derives from Old Norse 'Ingvarr.'
But became so Slavic it's iconic in horror genre now in multiple ways.
I loved that movie.
There were many Rus/Viking raids in Tabaristan (Caspian regions of Persia) during the Middle Ages through the Caspian sea. There was even a Viking ship discovered in Tabaristan some years ago, if I'm not mistaken.
of Iran
Are you sure the story about the nettles is allegorical? Nettles can be used to make a fine fabric similar to linen. It's possible Oleg saw some of it and wanted it for his fleet as a status symbol, along with silk. Unlike silk however it's not especially strong so it could easily have torn apart as described.
Very enjoyable look into this topic. You don't get too many these well researched videos of Eastern European history or such topics and even if I have actually had some uni level courses of Russian history, there is a lot to learn for me at least as these have been very basic. Odd to think how much people have relied on semimythical Chronicles, but well sources are scarce so I guess we have still to in part especially since they often have a grain of truth in them. BTW. Come to think of it funny how similar many of these stories are as those of pirates covered in Gold and Gunpowder channel, but well both are about raiders in strange lands so there is the connection. Anyway, cheers!
Thank you.
Hi, thanks for the video, great job! I would like to know what track is always playing at the very beginning of the video? in the description on RUclips, the track is different, not the one in the video
Hej. Just started learning Swedish language. Interesting to learn the history and culture of the region as well, and to hear a Swedish accent and intonation in the English narration. Tack.
I wonder if the events in the Caspian sea is somewhat contemporary to "Ingvar the Widetravled" and his disasterous campaign in the same area that have left a trail of runestones all over Sweden in particular?
Nope. It apparently were around 100 years between the two. Ingvars campaigns were in 1036-1041 and the Rus attack on Barda were in 943.
Funny , my English subtitles to this vid - translate your KYIV to KIEV keke
youtube algorythms get its inspiration in russian rubbles
@@007ShaolinMonk ahaha RUclips sold out to Putin!
This history is so interesting. I am listening to this as A Muslim. It’s quite fascinating that Russians are related to Scandinavians.
Скорее скандинавы связаны с Русью. Ведь Рюриковичи это не скандинавы ,а полабские славяне.
Ислам это одна из главных религией России.
@@АлександрМолчюнникакие Рюриковичи не славяне и близко. Я понимаю что современный нарратив великодержавности и независимости не позволяет людям спокойно это признать но то что Рюриковичи были скандинавами это факт подтвержденный археологией. Было найдено миллион абсолютно скандинавских предметов быта которые появляются в северной части тогдашней Руси как раз аккурат в те года когда по летописям призвали Рюрика с его дружиной. Все это говорит о том что Рюрик с дружиной с вероятностью в 100% были скандинавами
@@WithNoRegret1They were Scandinavian. I descend from Anne of Kiev and Agatha of Kiev.
Anne of Kiev: Princess of Kievan Rus’, wife of King Henry I of France, and mother of King Philip I of France. She was a daughter of Yaroslav the Wise, Grand Prince of Kiev, and Ingigerd of Sweden. Anne’s marriage to Henry I of France strengthened the ties between France and Kievan Rus’.
Agatha of Kiev (Wife of Edward the Exile): A noblewoman from Kievan Rus’, wife of Edward the Exile, and mother of Edgar Ætheling, Saint Margaret of Scotland, and Cristina of England. Agatha’s origins are shrouded in mystery, with various theories suggesting she might be a daughter of Yaroslav the Wise, a Hungarian king, or a German count. Her rare Greek name and the presence of Greek and Swedish names among her children hint at possible connections to the Byzantine Empire or Kievan Rus’.
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 They were both born in Kiev and were Rus princesses, and the Kievan Rus were of Scandinavian origins.
I don't care for the regime in Kiev or Moscow btw. I have no comment on the current conflict or the fighting over historical events based on the nationalist narratives of either side.
I find it very sad, that spamming in the comment section can actually yield results.
moreso that i want to see how it affects the algorithm
he is not really Alyek in russian, it is just how the pronounciation sounds like. Written as Oleg
maybe Oleg was the king not Rurik but after his death in Persia power passed to Igor the son of Rurik whether legally or illegally , and after Igor’s descendants became the rulers of the Rus lands they wrote history as if Rurik was the king and Igor was the crown prince and Oleg was just the regent
It wasn't Azerbaijan until 20th century. In 940s the area was most likely referred to either as Arran or Shirvan. Azerbaijan is the area to the south of it (in modern-day Iran).
Don’t forget Achilles and lower body infection
What was strange to me about his death is that snake poison killed him. I have never seen poisonous snakes even in the southern regions. Maybe back then more snakes were creeping around?
Symbolic snake? Like those invaders St Patrick chased out from Ireland!
Demographics - 1000 AD
Kievan Rus and Eastern Slavia, @ 5, 000, 000 +/-
Dutchy of Gniezno of the Polans [Kingdom of Lechia, now Poland] 1, 000,000 +/-
[same borders as today]
Kingdom of Norway 200 000 +
Could Oleg have died early in his Azerbaijani campaign and been replaced as leader by a kinsman aiming to carry on his plan named Sveinald? I wonder if the Rus had a name for Baku.
It seems Sveinald was active in Rus proper after Oleg had died, shortly before and after the death of Igor in 945
Azerbaijan is the area to the south. What you're referring to is either Arran or Shirvan.
A Slav legend spin off.
Very glad to see the change in spelling to Kyiv. Glad to see you've listened to the community feedback on your last video about the city.
Keen to watch the video, love your channel.
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 are there two sources for this? Where are you getting this Sabbathos from?
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 also, you’d need a secondary source for this to be considered, otherwise it mythical information
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 still can’t find Sabbathos in there
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 relying on an authority of a single writer doesn’t make their information reliable. All sources have to be chalked and compared against another
@@tatianayegovtseva9737 you should have two primary sources to cross reference any information, unless it may be tested..history cannot be tested..
I found it - ch.9 “Κιοάβα, τὸ ἐπονομα ζόμενον Σαμβατάς” Kiev, also called Sambatas
Says Novgorod, Smolensk, Teliutza, Chernihiv, Vyshegrad gathered in Kyiv and sailed to Constantinople
ibn Rustah, Abu Sa'id Gardezi, and an author of the Hudud al-'Alam called it Zanbat.
I guess close enough
Was called Kiev back then
i don't think a muscovite pronunciation is important in any way
it was called neither of the two modern pronunciations
@@007ShaolinMonk they call it themselves like that lol
Куява
Army of Vespians?!
*geonosis vibe intensifies*
Hello from Oleh from Kyiv😅
Annoying first comment guy here
Thanks for letting everybody know how big of a loser you are.
A bit too much speculations here, like when you do not even know who Olav Haraldsson wheas also known as Olav the Huge
All the 'speculations' I saw in this vid are based on mainstream theories trying to reconcile few historical sources we have on the subject, and the author always notes the hypothetical nature of the narrative.
Now, a genuine question: what does Olaf Haraldsson have to do with the subject of this video? Haven't he like took a refuge with his family in Rus once 100 years after Oleg and Igor?
Proud to be named as him. From Ukraine💪🔥🇺🇦🗿☝️
That's so cool, being named after a legendary hero of your people from a millenium ago.
KIEV
i don't think a muscovite pronunciation is important in any way
@@007ShaolinMonk how do you pronounce Paris, or Germany? French stop calling London Londres? Grow up
@@LeeGee or when they call a country Germany, that is infact called Deutschland, or Italy for a country called Italian. But the media has told them what do, and like the good sheep they are they obey.
@@007ShaolinMonk I don't think the Polish pronunciation has any role
Oy you talked totally noyses. kijeve exsyst more early when Oleg come.
it's Kiev, not Kyiv
Thats why its spelled Kyiv in the title
i don't think a muscovite pronunciation is important in any way
@@007ShaolinMonk are u sure he is from Moscow?
cringe
@@EUGEN093 should i give a care where HE is from, when I was talking about the pronunciation origins?