I sure hope it isn't dead, it's my favorite tire size. 29x2.6 isn't close to 29x3.0 in my experience, it's a compromise. Hopefully we can vote with our wallets and keep 29+ alive.
Agree, you're right. I ride 29x2.6 and I think it's a world of difference from riding PLUS tires. Different rim widths, etc. The feel and capability seem like they're for a whole different biking need. I couldn't see a PLUS rider getting anywhere near the needed requirements if they were riding on my 2.6's. I don't have any desire for plus tires with what I ride, but I do think they should stick around for all the riders that really require that size and DON'T want to resort to fatbikes. ~JSV
The cycling community did vote with their wallets. That's why 29+ is disappearing....as is 27.5+ People just aren't into a tire standard that is seldomly stocked and always on backorder....
Anyone know if 29x3.0 is roughly the same overall size of a 27.5x4.5? I’ve got a fun Norco Bigfoot that I want to outfit with a 29+ Wheelset for summer trail riding but I don’t how the clearance will work out. 🤔
I love my Surly ECR 29+ with 3.0 tires. For me, it's not about going fast, it's about enjoying the ride and this bike and tire combination does that perfectly.
For you I hope Surly continues supporting your 29x3. We love our ECRs with 27.5x3. Our most epic ride on them was Canada to Mexico on GDMBR. I keep wife and I on matched bikes. She is too small for any frames that accommodate more than 29x2. The 27.5x3 gives us the tall rollover we appreciate along with the wide footprint we need on sand on many Florida two tracks. But none of that matters - can’t buy replacement tires from Surly for our 4 year old Surly bikes. Luckily there are other component suppliers….that I’ll also buy other replacement components from.
Losing 29+ would be a tragedy. The masses only get what they are told and sold, it is unfortunate that 29+ is misrepresented. We literally live on our bikes and the 29+ of our ECR's make this much more comfortable for our aging and retired bones. It also opens up more areas of exploration away from pavement. Any tire narrower works for the young and quick crowd whose only concern is destination and viral hits. But for those of us who live a slower pace for the journey and mindful things, 29+ is very important.
I can't see the appeal of a "gravel bike", too uncomfortable off road geometry and shock absorption. Rolling along on a 2.8 is great on and off road, so smooth and not really much slower.
I’m in love with the 29+ platform and am seriously considering designing and producing another 29+ tire to fill the void that the medium and large companies are leaving. For non suspension bikepacking bikes, a 3” tire offers a great mix of grip and cushion on trails.
The argument for 29+ really boils down to the height of the rider. I’m not sure why no one mentions this - the optimal frame geometry (just the angles, not the tube lengths) will be similar for a 5’4”rider vs. a 6’4” rider, but the latter will naturally require longer tube lengths and larger wheels to maintain the same handling. Embracing 26”, 27,5”, and 29” is really a matter of calibrating for both a rider’s height and preferred handling characteristics, and naturally 29+ will fall on the tail end of preference.
On the nose. The bike industry, in order to control costs a bit, ends up building bikes that simply don't work for folks in the bottom and top quintiles of height. There may be a niche market there.
It's not 100% rider size because we don't expect smaller people to ride on terrain with smaller bumps though. The ratio of wheel diameter to bump size makes a difference in how easily and smoothly the bike rolls over them.
@@youtubeaccount9058 and yet running over bumps is only one aspect of bike perks. if the weight, geometry and handling goes overall to shit, the smaller tire is often the better option. so yes he might not be 100% true but like 95% and often it´s close enough.
I have been bikepacking on 29+ for three yrs now and can't say enough positive about it. Yes, from time to time on paved sections I am playing catch-up to my fellow riders on narrower set-ups but find it well worth it when the trail gets rocky or steep and the overall comfort is amazing.
I personally hope it doesn't go away. I've been away from cycling for a few years and now that I'm back. I'm super excited about 29+. Although I have to admit that somewhere in the 2.6 range is probably gonna be more useful for most people.
Never tried 2.8-3" tires. But I am very happy with my Jones 2,6" X 29 with rabbit hole rims. At the very moment exploring the bicycle's capabilities and I am smiling every time I ride it.
It's true that we are all gear heads, and bike tech has improved my joy in cycling over 20 years, but there is a point where excessive tech competes with my impulsive enjoyment of spontaneous riding. "Can't ride today, because I spent an hour finding tools/shops to pump shocks and bleed hydros." After a decade of wearing tires off of many kinds of bikes commuting and trail riding, I was always looking out for that one bike that could just do it all and not be broken. After my 2012 Fargo was stolen, I found a way to fill my 2016 Fargo with 29 x 3's, and sold my 'Star Wars land-speeder' 4"squish Niner Rip9. While I'll confess, that I prefer camping out of my Osprey pack or mini van, I've logged miles 'shredding' a few drivetrains and tire sets over 5 years on my 29x3's and never wanted for another bike. This poser loves bike packing gear and I know exactly why.....my triangle bag never has me hesitating to throw a leg over - all the essentials are always attached to my bike (lock, tire stuff, pump, tools, wind breaker, gloves, beanie, small water bottle, etc.)....though a theft resistant triangle bag would be marvelous. On daily high desert urban commutes the seat pack carries lunch to work and clothing layers home. On heavily loaded mountain SAR missions traversing goat paths and scree fields, strapping water to the forks saved my back. Maybe I'm not the only one wearing out my bike packing gear without ever spending a night? Maybe bike packing just needs some sexy re-branding or oddball color scheme, so we can all maintain access to sensible bicycles while satisfying the industry shareholders. Who actually has space to own multiple bikes anymore? I think the bicycle industry financially prefers the extreme ends of the market via high volume sub $500 "insurance deductible" market, and the more $ than my car market for bikes which ride themselves all over an immaculate garage wall. The middle range of bikes will always be a challenge for bicycle industry shareholders. We demand quality, but also split the business model between high margin and high volume. I am most surprised at how well my 29+ tires smooth out and grip urban terrain, and feel like plus tires can offer tremendous benefit to the emerging e-bike market.
I blame the always changing (revolving) standards. Soon people will be rocking 1.9 size and will swear why they ever went plus size. 26 will be making a comeback. Steel has been making resurgence in popularity. Staggered will be going down in sizes. 29×27.5 to 27.5×26 and soon 26 will be the new standard going in full circle.
I really dont think so. Probabilly the 29's will go for narrower tires like the 2,2's or so but i do not believe that the market will ever go back to the 26. Only time will tell.
@@jev2867 Look at Santa Cruz for example… They don’t even have any bike around with 27.5 front & rear🥺 it’s all 29 or mixed wheel now, yet all 29ers aren’t fully plus compatible… have to admit, I don’t get it Even as a rider with a pivot firebird and a 29“ enduro hardtail in the garage…😂
I have 2 of the aforementioned bikes and I love them. My Pivot Mach 6 sits in the basement while I shred on my Trek Full Stache. Also I converted my carbon Stache 9.7 into an adventure rig by adding the Trek 1120 fork and front cage. Now termed the Trek 9.720. Thanks for the heads up. I will stock up on tires where I may.
In October 2022 I purchased a Trek 1120 and I love the versatility of this bike! It is a lot faster than I thought it was going to be. I wasn't sure how it was going to be on single track but I've found it very capable. Sure, it isn't as good as a full suspension bike but with the 3-inch-wide tires at 15 PSI it absorbs the bumps pretty well. At times going up steep technical climbs I do feel like it is a little clumsy, but I just need to work on my technique a bit. I haven't gone bikepacking with the bike yet, but I have been testing out packing the drybags and figuring out how I'm going to pack the bike and it's been fun!! I can't wait to go on my first overnighter with the 1120!!! The hard part is getting time off from work and coordinating all the family stuff as well.
I love 29+. When I first got into MTB it was on Marmaduke...my TREK Stache. The ability to roll over so many things has made this such a fun adventure. My Hope Is that this wheel-size is not dead, however there is not industry support for it. I truly wish there was support from bike companies as well as tire companies but right now, it doesn't seem to exist. There are a few Rays of Hope. For example, while Trek discontinued the stash, they do still use that same frame for the 1120 bikepacking machine. Hopefully, there will be manufacturers who will continue to make 29 by 3.0 tires. Only time will tell.
As the owner of two 29+ bikes in my stable, I'm certainly bought in and hope that the platform stays around for much longer. Whether it's bikepacking or general trail riding I find this wheel size to be the king of grip, surefootedness, roll over capability and just plain fun! Sure, tires are not as available as before, but a little bit of searching and you can certainly still find what you need. Long live the big wheels!
I sold my full squish Stumpjumper after buying a Stache 7 a year ago. I love 29+ and hope it doesn't die. I bought a few extra sets of tires just to have them. I put some carbon wheels on it this year and boy what a difference it makes.
I love it I rode a Stache 7 then Full Stache sold em thought I was a different rider. Now am trailbuilder trying to find a 29+in North Dakota😂🤷♂️⚒️🌵⛰🌲🪨🚵♀️
I love my Trek Stache 7. It's my do everything MTB. From trail riding to bike packing. I think the shredders and the weight weenies are the death of 29+. It's a shame as I don't think there's a more capable platform to tackle whatever trail conditions bring.
29 plus is amazing. I would argue you can faster with 29 plus. So much momentum and float over everything. I have a full stache and hardtail stache. Funnest bikes I've ever owned
I love my plus bike. I have a Trek 1120 and I thinks it's awesome. It's my everything bike right now. I can ride any blue and some black single track, gravel, snow, bikepacking, it's been a real do-it-all rig for me. I'm sad it's declining. I can't find tires or rims for my bike anymore :(
I've been riding 29+ and 27.5+ SURLY ECR bikes since 2018 and these standarts are the best for simply every type of riding when talking comfort and adventure. Last year I've tried to switch from Plus bike to the Salsa Warbird gravel bike and I loved it but I've ended getting back to Plus tires. So now I'm riding custom built 29+ Bombtrack Beyond+ ADV 2020 and I'm absolutely in love with this bikepacking adventure rig!
I changed the tires and wheels from my Surly Pugsley from the stock 3.8 x 26 to 3 x 29. The difference was remarkable. I also have a Surly Karate Monkey 2.6 x 29. I am a 29 guy.
29+ is the absolute jam. Shame that bigger companies have stopped supporting the platform but it's been a staple for my riding since I've found my way onto dirt.
Long Live 29+!!! I went from 26x2.3 to 29+ and nothing has ever been the same. Anything smaller than 2.8s just feel skinny and 27.5+ just doesn't have the roll over and float. The 29x2.6 Teravail Cumberland you demonstrated, Neil, as the 29+ plus is just a plump wide-trail masquerading as plus. I have one cached away *inside* of a 29x3.25 Duro Crux in the rafters of the garage.
Personally, I love my Kona Unit X with 29x2.6", and I recently picked up a pair of Teravail Coronado's 29x2.8" for it. The bike rides amazing and truly does roll over everything, especially fully loaded. I hope they stick around.
@@davomccranko Large. I'm 187cm tall with a 82cm inseam. I found it to be a super comfortable bike. When the bike was loaded up, it flexed, but a normal amount for steel. But when I put the power down, it soaked up everything and was really quick. It's one of the nicest bikes I've ridden.
Love the ride of my Fargo with 2.75 tires. Can't really see going any wider as the ride is plush. For those who went 29plus I sure hope you can keep tires on your bikes. Variety is what this community is all about !
I have a Trek Powerfly 5. This bike came with 29” wheels. I replaced the tires with more aggressive off road, tubeless tires at 2.5” width. I like this set up very much. It has very forgiving handling at very low speeds on steep grades and it is very confidence inspiring going fast down gravel roads. I would definitely look for 29” wheels on my next bike.
@@pedalingnowhere I literally just went for a ride on my Trek Stache and got home to this😂! It's hands down the most capable bike I've ever owned, I love it
I loved my Trek Stache 5 and really miss it, but man did it take up a LOT of space in my 1bd apartment. Hopefully I’ll get something similar again soon.
Three Years ago Assembled a Salsa Fargo. Started with a 2,4 and loved it. Started snooping around Jones Bicycles ideas and concepts and installed a Loop H-Bar on the Fargo. I was blown away. Had a 45mm wide rim Wheelset made and installed a set of WTB 3.0 rangers. It was a revelation. But had some slight clearance issues althoug it was an amazing bike. However the loop bar was the thing that impressed me the most, so kept digging on the Jones Concept. Got a Jones Diamond Plus LWB. All I can say is that I have sidelined all my other bikes. Scott Scale RC, GT Grade Carbon, Cube Editor, are now decorating the walls. The Fargo is Equipped with the Ultra long distance rack and panniers setup, with 2,2 tires, but the bike that I Allways ride is the 29+ Jones. I am 1,93 and 110 Kgs and I am sure it plays a big part on the decision but the platform is trully amazing.
I love My Jones Spaceframe bike. The 29 x 3.0 and 29 x 2.8 tires are great for the kind of riding I do. The thought of having to maintain a modern Full Squish bike would price me right out of the sport and my mind.
I rode my Krampugs on the southern third of the GDMBR (from Silverthorne down to Antelope Wells) in 2017 and I loved it for that. The larger wheels and higher-volume tires were great on the washboard and sand in New Mexico, and I even enjoyed it on the 1-day 122 mile pavement detour (because of mud) from Cuba to Grants. That said, it is an ENORMOUS bike, and heavy, and generally unwieldy; it is a bear on hike-a-bike sections. (though I too am large and unwieldy so this is less of an issue for me than it might be for others) I'm about to leave on a mixed-surface ride towards the east and waffled a bit between the Krampugs and the Cutthroat (which I didn't have in 2017) and then rode them back-to-back and realized how much more efficient the Cuttie is. If I was doing a true *expedition* -- where I needed to carry 2 days of water (not out of the question, because I'm slow), for instance, or where there might be sand, the Krampugs would be perfect. For stuff closer to civilization I love the efficiency of a standard 29er.
I swapped knards 3.0 for mezcals 2.6 on a rigid Krampus. Both tubeless setups. I saved almost 1 kg (which is something not very noticeable). The bike is nimbler but I'd say that I miss the volume and the low pressure of the knards. I can feel the difference. I also dig the aestetics of the 3.0 if that counts.
A bit late to the table but I think the 29+ category isn't dead yet, and I would even say that it is gaining a revival state lately. Thanks to the BikeLife movement, wheelie bikes tends to adopt those 29x2.8 tires because you need extra stability when you're on the rear wheel. Maybe the 29+ is dead for Bikepacking, but it's clearly gaining popularity on the street scene, with brands like SE Bikes (I myself own a Monster Quad with Vee Speedster tires, which are 29*2.8"). My wheels are 42mm wide, which is great because even if the 29*2.8" tires are going to fail in time, the rims are tight enough to be put 2.4" wide tires on. I see things that way : better have bigger clearance and go down than having low clearance and never got to experience wider tires.
The 3" tire on 29" wheel is close to height of the 5" tire on 26" wheel. I have a Surly Bud mounted up on Surly Rolling Darryl with Salsa Enabler fork which I can interchange on my Surly ECR to convert it into a 29" fat-front
In my opinion, the definition of 29+ is 29 x 3.0. This standard and 27.5 x 3.8 are the two most perfect tire sizes. I never want to ride anything else. I have been stockpiling Minion DHF 29 x 3.0 and Minion FBR 27.5 x 3.8 as often as I can find them in-stock.
29+ don't leave us! I love my Trek Full Stache 8 and was sad to see trek back away from this platform. It's one of the best trail bikes they have made.
Maybe they need to stop thinking that every bike spec needs to fit every size of person. It makes no sense to me that they should even be trying to make a 29+ bike that fits a 4' 10" person.
That's where 27.5+ shines. Smaller frame size, smaller wheel size. Retain proportionality. Several manufacturers are doing this with their MTBs, notably Trek with their entry level Marlin series. XXL-Med gets 29", while S/M thru XXS gets 27.5" It seems to work well.
Exactly. They should start at 26+ for xxs to small, then 27.5+ for medium, then 29+ for large and extra large. Just seems to make sense. No one seems to appreciate that tire size should scale according to frame size.
I’ve got a couple of Jones bikes and they are superb I love them with any tire size from 2.1 to 3.0 or even a 4.8 just the most competent and enjoyable bikes I’ve ever ridden.
My favorited singletrack ride is my 29+ Waltworks single speed. Drivetrain is 28 up front and 17 in back and 3" Chupacabra's. I've not loaded it up for a trip as my frame bags are not large enough and with my Fargo or my Cutthroat, I have just decided to ride it on singletrack, however after reading some of the comments and watching your video.........I think I'll have a frame bag built for it and give it a whirl. Love your video(s) and am a third year member of the collective.....thanks for everything!
I have a Trek Stache and I love that thing! I was curious as to why they stopped making them and now this makes more sense. I have to get a new rear wheel for it so hopefully I'll be able to find one.
I think the surge in demand for bikes hasn’t killed 29+ but put it into a coma. When supply catches back up I would hope that we see some of what’s discontinued be reintroduced. Even if the 29+ specific bike dies off (although I think Surly will keep it going), there will always be a demand from fat bike riders looking for a summer wheelset. Also, 2.6” is a great size but true plus sized tires are still way more fun to ride.
I have a 2020 Trek Full Stache and i'm never getting rid of it. Finding tyres is a bit difficult, but the way is plows trough choppy terrain pleasures the soul.
I hope Surly and others will satiate the demand, even though the current model of sus fork Krampus is stocked with 2.6" tires. I love riding sand trails with 3.8" Nate tires on my Wednesday, they grip like a rock-climbing jazz pianist. More rubber, more fun \m/
I quite enjoyed riding my old 26" bikes but I also enjoy my fast roling 29 x 2.2 tire. What it lacks is ground cleareance and side grip so i will upgrade soon to 29 x 2.4 as it is the maximum size that fits into the frame. I hope they make the 29+ when i am finally buying a new bike
I like my 27.5+ Fargo - dont think I'd want to go bigger, but also dont think I'd want to go much smaller. I like that at low pressures I can use it in the winter on fat bike trails and snow without having to purchase a fat bike.
I've been running z Ritchey Commando fatty with 26x4.6 tyres for a few years now. Last year I bought 29+ (29×2.8) wheelset for it. Makes for a very versatile bike. Still think in my heart of hearts that I prefer the full fat experience though 🤣
Ended up watching this video just because I’m starting to check availability for what will replace my Rangers 3.0 which are starting to wear out. It’d be sad to go lower, not just for a bunch of very rational reasons (comfort, grip, floatation…), but also because they look incredibly cool and make my Fargo an absolute head turner. As of know, I recently contacted WTB who told me that the Ranger in fast rolling tough trim (which I ride to this day) has been discontinued, whereas it’s still available in the light fast rolling version.
As a larger rider (6', 235 lbs) the 29x3 is the best feeling size for me. I ride single speed rigid and am much happier with my Krampus than I was on the 2000's frames that could only clear 2.3". I'm not setting records or stepping on the podium but I'm getting out and riding consistently because I love my bike.
I have a Surly KM and upgraded the wheels to 29x2.6 at purchase. Tried 2.8 up front and didn't notice any difference except the weight and then did the math, it's only 5mm wider. Hope the 2.6 stays as I run the Maxxis Rekon and get 2000-2500 miles on the rear and pushed the front to 4000. Can't complain about that.
I'm not sure I'll ever be able to part with my ECR. It's such a solid, capable and simple bike, and there are too many great memories attached to it. From a market perspective, I can understand how the industry has a hard time justifying continuing to support 29+, but for those of us that embraced the platform with many miles under our belts, it's gonna be hard to let go of.
I wanted 29 plus but nothing was available so ended up with 27.5 x 2.8. Im very happy with it, still would like to try 29. I was surprised how well big tyres can roll on tarmac, I guess its the tread pattern makes the most difference.
I have a Krampus with 3.0 WTB Rangers and love it. There's a lot of soft sand tracks where I live which it just floats over but then on everything else its just as good without having the drag of a full fat bike. I just hope they keep making tyres for us all. 👍🇬🇧
I was shopping for a 29+ last summer but due to the pandemic…nada. But I was able to get a 27.5+ Surly ECR ordered new from a local dealer. Not as popular as the 29+ I guess, but I have no regrets, it’s a joy to ride. Hopefully future tire supply won’t be an issue.
I just got a 2021 Surly Krampus full ridged with 29x3 all set up for bike packing. I have a few videos on my channel! It is such an awesome do it all bike. Steel frame with low pressures rides so great! This tire will roll over or go through anything!!! I hope 29+ stays around forever.
I have a Krampus I use for exploring a lot of the steep chunky pirate trails here in the northwest and it really shines in that environment. That being said, I have to run really heavy home made inserts to support the sidewalls because no one makes a 3" tire with a burly side wall. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but to me, the weight of 29er plus wheels is not a problem support and dampening is. I think if some manufacturer would step up with a sensible series of tires with a sidewall that's up for real thrashing (something like a Maxxis DD) and a thoughtfully designed insert (big tannus armor!), then we would start to see 29er plus as the wheel size of choice for the hardcore hardtail crowd.
Same tho. I tell people it's the rigid steel mountain bike I've been wanting for 20 years. Currently running 2.6" Vittoria Mezcals, but 3" works even better on the sandy ATV trails in northern Wisconsin and the UP.
Hello How long have you had your Jones ? I’m on the list of course for the new models whenever they come out ? Have you changed anything on it ? How tall are you and what size did you get ? If you don’t mind me asking. Thank you .
@@deerhunterx1712 I have had my Jones for several years now. It was before the completes came out and was built up by Jeff. I am 5'11" tall and mine is a medium. I have not changed anything, but I'm going to need tires soon.
@@deerhunterx1712 Did you end up ordering when they came out last week? I placed my order for a Med. Tan, LWB, and am so stoked for it to arrive in a couple weeks. I'm 5'8" but with a long inseam/pbh so Med, should be just right for me.
One thing to note is that just about all fat bike frame which can take 26x5 tires can take 29+, as such there shouldn't be much of an issue making 29+ bikes as long as the rubber is being produced, funky geometries aside.
I loved my woodsmoke 29+ format. It is super fun for me, not fast, but fun. With the loss of most 29+ tire choices though, I've had to dial back to 29x2.6 and while it is faster, it makes me laugh less often on trail. I keep hoping that someone other than just surly keeps making 29+ tires.
Love, love, love the Bontrager Chupacabra 29x3.00s on my old Gen 1 Krampus. Heaps of grip at low pressures, but they roll great on pavement too. Guess I’ll have to try Knards next.
OG Krampus rider here - for one, super bummed that the Maxxis Chronicle is discontinued, but I'll ride this bike as long as the frame holds up. It's a blast and sturdy af. I could drop my rabbit hole rims into the grand canyon and they'd probably just get a few scratches. 29+ was the gateway bike tho, because as soon as they figured out the geometry, they were able to dial it back for 2.4 and 2.6 tires that end up being the real sweet spot for most modern bikes. It'll keep evolving, but the 29+ is like a Chevy El Camino - it's not for everybody, but it's cool as fuck.
Bombtrack beyond adv plus with 29x3. I'm very happy with. On pavement or in the wild. As you put more pressure into the tires, even on pavement and fully loaded (with a trailer) I can manage good speed on my journeys. Do I must say that whoever choose this kind of bicycle setup is not looking for speed, more for the adventure side.
@Eagle Tactics Same for me, I changed the WTB's after a trip to Kirgizstan, I had sooo many punctures... Goat heads ... :/ (WTB's are really good for the nature where I live, but for arid places where cacti grows... I've found them a little bit to easy to puncture). I'm actually trying out the Tannus Armour inserts right now with Maxxis Chronicles 29x3, the only problem where I live there are no goat heads :D lol. But I'm testing... Rolling resistance and durability puncture protection. I'm so glad I got the ADV!
I love my Krampus fitted with Chronicles (RIP) for bikepacking. Fortunately, I have many, many miles left on those tires and when it does come time to replace them, I'm confident there'll be at least a few options still available. Unless Surly discontinues the Krampus (in addition to the ECR), which would be a sin, I don't think the Knards are going anywhere so at least those will be an option. Perhaps the decrease in 29+ tire options partially has to do with the issues in the supply chain, so hopefully when that gets better we'll see some options come back. I can't think of a better platform for bikepacking, especially if you ride a full rigid - so as long as bikepacking is around, so should 29+.
I love my Krampus and also have a 27.5+ ECR. Unfortunately neither tire sizes - or bikes - are catching on as much as (I feel) they should. RIP the ECR... Riding in Minnesota year round, I found the plus tires perfect for any terrain - it is no wonder why Surly keeps pushing the boundaries of tire size and clearance on their bikes. 3.0s float over snow, have enough traction on ice, and honestly raise the bar what rigid bikes can do. Perhaps 29+ will die a slow death, but I 100% believe 27.5+ will carry the torch as more and more 29er bikes can fit those chunky 27.5x3.0s. Meanwhile, I'll just be snagging up both tire sizes every time I see a deal so I never have to rely on the industry to keep them alive :)
still a huge fan. drank the kool-aid in 2014 by advice from a friend and have never looked back. I have reeled it back to 2.8 only because 3.0s were hard to find last year. absolutely loved watching this video and the great rigs that are in it.
Fat Bike's went through a similar peak/slump. During the ramp there is a combination of filling an unmet need, and also a lot of shiny-new-widget driven sales. Manufacturers see this large year over year growth and extrapolate, while in reality the market gets largely satiated and things settle down to a baseline of lower but steady sales. 29+ seems to also have been partially assimilated by the Borg. The group-think of 2.4" tires being the logical maximum got broken down, and marginal gains of higher volume resulted in 2.6" becoming a very happy middle-ground tire size that sucked the wind out of the sales for 29x3.0. I still get a bigger smile from riding my 29x3 Knard equipped Blackborow than my 29x2.6" equipped bikepacking rig.
I love my Ogre, but missed the boat on too many fun bikes (RIP Pack Rat). Not going to make that mistake on 29*3. Once I'm back from summer field work I'm throwing down on a Krampus frameset.
I’ve just built myself a nordest sardinha changing my mind from a surly krampus. Thought that 29+ is not that popular anymore and it would be almost impossible to find replacement around. Plus a bike made from 29+ has a low BB and with smaller tires it would get too close to the ground. Happy that you agree with 29x2.6 on a 30mm inner width rim, because that’s exactly the wheel size that I’ve built for myself for the sardinha!
Great video. I'm running a 2019 Salsa Fargo spec'd to take up to a 3" tire. Done some backroad, offroad and asphalt touring as well as mountain biking with it. The internal width of the rims is 29 mm and can take tires 40 mm to 3" (according to rim limits) which I find is quite a range. But, honestly, I have never run a 3" tire in the close to 3 years I've owned it. I changed out the Maxxis 2.6" tires it came with for Maxxis Hookworms 2.5". This will never be a fast bike and I'll never be a fast rider but the Hookworms have been incredibly serviceable and handled tons of different terrain. I may go to a 2.2" tire for a little less rolling resistance. Nice to have the tire options.
McFly 2.8 has been getting me over things I would not have cleared otherwise, prob cost a few tight uphill switchbacks. Actually I've really been feeling a 26x4.4 in the back with 29x2.8 Fox 34SC in front. The ability to stand up on that much more is welcome in my opinion. The narrower front tire is easier to get to edge knobs than a blunt front tire, also less flotation is needed there generally. Not to mention a slacker overall angle from the slightly smaller wheel in back.
I love my Stache, at 5ft 8in I feel like I'm walking a draft horse when I walk it out of the garage to put it on the car rack but still, it's amazing. I hope it stays forever.
I have my 2015 surly ecr 29+ with over 100k miles on it and after a few upgrades it’s going to be my last bike. I do see tires are not always available but that’s why I bought 3 sets in 2019. I have extra everything on hand and plan to ride 2 years straight starting the first week of February 2023. Look for me on the streets and trails near you.
I have both Kona Units 2018 27.5 and 2021 29 x 2.6 . I feel the 29 x 2.6 combo is better just enough volume to take the edge off and better to roll over stuff and more efficient. I think it will be the future. in the mean time I am going to stock pile some 29 x2.6 tires for the zombie apocalypse. Cheers
For what it's worth I have decked out my fat bike (likely another "dead" format in the eyes of the industry hype-mongers)with a set of 29x3 wheels & tyres.....I love it. Find it really is a sweet spot on the coast mixing up firm sand with dune singletrack. The 26x4 wheels mostly gather dust now glad to read it's not just me that loves this format.😊
I have more than one screwdriver in my tool box and I have more than one bike in my garage. Sure, its a specific tool but what it does, it does well. Happy Trails buddy
Just scored my first 29, a used Trek Excaliber 8 and I'm in love. Been riding various types of cycles all my life, rode cross country on a mtb frame with city tires, pulling a kids trailer with gear in 1990, etc. These days I only ride cycles and recently added an awd ebike to the garage, because I'm getting old, etc and it fits with my desert area. Got the 29 for riding desert and I'm so stoked on it...
I sure hope it isn't dead, it's my favorite tire size. 29x2.6 isn't close to 29x3.0 in my experience, it's a compromise. Hopefully we can vote with our wallets and keep 29+ alive.
If I did my math right; there's roughly a 33% increase in volume going from a 2.6" tire to a 3.0" despite it only being a ~15% increase in width.
Agree, you're right. I ride 29x2.6 and I think it's a world of difference from riding PLUS tires. Different rim widths, etc. The feel and capability seem like they're for a whole different biking need. I couldn't see a PLUS rider getting anywhere near the needed requirements if they were riding on my 2.6's.
I don't have any desire for plus tires with what I ride, but I do think they should stick around for all the riders that really require that size and DON'T want to resort to fatbikes.
~JSV
Maxxis still makes the Minion DHF in 3" .... seems like a legit tire for the gnar in your neck of the woods (desert)
The cycling community did vote with their wallets. That's why 29+ is disappearing....as is 27.5+
People just aren't into a tire standard that is seldomly stocked and always on backorder....
Anyone know if 29x3.0 is roughly the same overall size of a 27.5x4.5?
I’ve got a fun Norco Bigfoot that I want to outfit with a 29+ Wheelset for summer trail riding but I don’t how the clearance will work out. 🤔
I love my Surly ECR 29+ with 3.0 tires. For me, it's not about going fast, it's about enjoying the ride and this bike and tire combination does that perfectly.
Yes! My ECR rolls great over the terrain I ride. So much fun.
Agreed. So how does a company market that to an audience conditioned by a generation or two of 'shred the gnar' marketing?
For you I hope Surly continues supporting your 29x3. We love our ECRs with 27.5x3. Our most epic ride on them was Canada to Mexico on GDMBR. I keep wife and I on matched bikes. She is too small for any frames that accommodate more than 29x2. The 27.5x3 gives us the tall rollover we appreciate along with the wide footprint we need on sand on many Florida two tracks. But none of that matters - can’t buy replacement tires from Surly for our 4 year old Surly bikes. Luckily there are other component suppliers….that I’ll also buy other replacement components from.
Jones 29 plus got me out on the back country gravel. I'm 70 in a week. Long live 29+. Now i should start hunting for a spare set of tires
Losing 29+ would be a tragedy. The masses only get what they are told and sold, it is unfortunate that 29+ is misrepresented. We literally live on our bikes and the 29+ of our ECR's make this much more comfortable for our aging and retired bones. It also opens up more areas of exploration away from pavement. Any tire narrower works for the young and quick crowd whose only concern is destination and viral hits. But for those of us who live a slower pace for the journey and mindful things, 29+ is very important.
Totally agree, they are great
I can't see the appeal of a "gravel bike", too uncomfortable off road geometry and shock absorption. Rolling along on a 2.8 is great on and off road, so smooth and not really much slower.
27 5+ is faster and equally comfortable
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I’m in love with the 29+ platform and am seriously considering designing and producing another 29+ tire to fill the void that the medium and large companies are leaving. For non suspension bikepacking bikes, a 3” tire offers a great mix of grip and cushion on trails.
Yes please
Please do
YES!!
Hells yeah!!!
I would support that Kickstarter.
The argument for 29+ really boils down to the height of the rider. I’m not sure why no one mentions this - the optimal frame geometry (just the angles, not the tube lengths) will be similar for a 5’4”rider vs. a 6’4” rider, but the latter will naturally require longer tube lengths and larger wheels to maintain the same handling. Embracing 26”, 27,5”, and 29” is really a matter of calibrating for both a rider’s height and preferred handling characteristics, and naturally 29+ will fall on the tail end of preference.
So true! And tire width is determined by rider weight, trail surface and expected speed. Long live 29x3. Bring on 32x3!
You nailed it! 👍
On the nose. The bike industry, in order to control costs a bit, ends up building bikes that simply don't work for folks in the bottom and top quintiles of height. There may be a niche market there.
It's not 100% rider size because we don't expect smaller people to ride on terrain with smaller bumps though.
The ratio of wheel diameter to bump size makes a difference in how easily and smoothly the bike rolls over them.
@@youtubeaccount9058 and yet running over bumps is only one aspect of bike perks. if the weight, geometry and handling goes overall to shit, the smaller tire is often the better option. so yes he might not be 100% true but like 95% and often it´s close enough.
I have been bikepacking on 29+ for three yrs now and can't say enough positive about it. Yes, from time to time on paved sections I am playing catch-up to my fellow riders on narrower set-ups but find it well worth it when the trail gets rocky or steep and the overall comfort is amazing.
I personally hope it doesn't go away. I've been away from cycling for a few years and now that I'm back. I'm super excited about 29+. Although I have to admit that somewhere in the 2.6 range is probably gonna be more useful for most people.
Never tried 2.8-3" tires. But I am very happy with my Jones 2,6" X 29 with rabbit hole rims. At the very moment exploring the bicycle's capabilities and I am smiling every time I ride it.
You know you are doing it right when it produces a smile.
It's true that we are all gear heads, and bike tech has improved my joy in cycling over 20 years, but there is a point where excessive tech competes with my impulsive enjoyment of spontaneous riding. "Can't ride today, because I spent an hour finding tools/shops to pump shocks and bleed hydros." After a decade of wearing tires off of many kinds of bikes commuting and trail riding, I was always looking out for that one bike that could just do it all and not be broken. After my 2012 Fargo was stolen, I found a way to fill my 2016 Fargo with 29 x 3's, and sold my 'Star Wars land-speeder' 4"squish Niner Rip9. While I'll confess, that I prefer camping out of my Osprey pack or mini van, I've logged miles 'shredding' a few drivetrains and tire sets over 5 years on my 29x3's and never wanted for another bike. This poser loves bike packing gear and I know exactly why.....my triangle bag never has me hesitating to throw a leg over - all the essentials are always attached to my bike (lock, tire stuff, pump, tools, wind breaker, gloves, beanie, small water bottle, etc.)....though a theft resistant triangle bag would be marvelous. On daily high desert urban commutes the seat pack carries lunch to work and clothing layers home. On heavily loaded mountain SAR missions traversing goat paths and scree fields, strapping water to the forks saved my back. Maybe I'm not the only one wearing out my bike packing gear without ever spending a night? Maybe bike packing just needs some sexy re-branding or oddball color scheme, so we can all maintain access to sensible bicycles while satisfying the industry shareholders. Who actually has space to own multiple bikes anymore? I think the bicycle industry financially prefers the extreme ends of the market via high volume sub $500 "insurance deductible" market, and the more $ than my car market for bikes which ride themselves all over an immaculate garage wall. The middle range of bikes will always be a challenge for bicycle industry shareholders. We demand quality, but also split the business model between high margin and high volume. I am most surprised at how well my 29+ tires smooth out and grip urban terrain, and feel like plus tires can offer tremendous benefit to the emerging e-bike market.
I fully blame 29+ for my bikepacking addiction.
I blame the always changing (revolving) standards. Soon people will be rocking 1.9 size and will swear why they ever went plus size. 26 will be making a comeback. Steel has been making resurgence in popularity. Staggered will be going down in sizes. 29×27.5 to 27.5×26 and soon 26 will be the new standard going in full circle.
@@jev2867 Exactly. I think a better vid would be " when did going camping on a bike get all roadie? "
I really dont think so. Probabilly the 29's will go for narrower tires like the 2,2's or so but i do not believe that the market will ever go back to the 26. Only time will tell.
@@jev2867 Look at Santa Cruz for example…
They don’t even have any bike around with 27.5 front & rear🥺 it’s all 29 or mixed wheel now, yet all 29ers aren’t fully plus compatible… have to admit, I don’t get it
Even as a rider with a pivot firebird and a 29“ enduro hardtail in the garage…😂
Don’t blame the bike, blame the game.
I'm 5'6" and love my 29+ bike. I need to tiptoeing when I stop but whatever, still love it
I have 2 of the aforementioned bikes and I love them. My Pivot Mach 6 sits in the basement while I shred on my Trek Full Stache. Also I converted my carbon Stache 9.7 into an adventure rig by adding the Trek 1120 fork and front cage. Now termed the Trek 9.720. Thanks for the heads up. I will stock up on tires where I may.
In October 2022 I purchased a Trek 1120 and I love the versatility of this bike! It is a lot faster than I thought it was going to be. I wasn't sure how it was going to be on single track but I've found it very capable. Sure, it isn't as good as a full suspension bike but with the 3-inch-wide tires at 15 PSI it absorbs the bumps pretty well. At times going up steep technical climbs I do feel like it is a little clumsy, but I just need to work on my technique a bit. I haven't gone bikepacking with the bike yet, but I have been testing out packing the drybags and figuring out how I'm going to pack the bike and it's been fun!! I can't wait to go on my first overnighter with the 1120!!! The hard part is getting time off from work and coordinating all the family stuff as well.
Update: just got back from the ER. Doctor says the Krampus is not dead, but suggested stocking up on tires.
I love 29+.
When I first got into MTB it was on Marmaduke...my TREK Stache. The ability to roll over so many things has made this such a fun adventure.
My Hope Is that this wheel-size is not dead, however there is not industry support for it. I truly wish there was support from bike companies as well as tire companies but right now, it doesn't seem to exist.
There are a few Rays of Hope. For example, while Trek discontinued the stash, they do still use that same frame for the 1120 bikepacking machine. Hopefully, there will be manufacturers who will continue to make 29 by 3.0 tires.
Only time will tell.
As the owner of two 29+ bikes in my stable, I'm certainly bought in and hope that the platform stays around for much longer. Whether it's bikepacking or general trail riding I find this wheel size to be the king of grip, surefootedness, roll over capability and just plain fun! Sure, tires are not as available as before, but a little bit of searching and you can certainly still find what you need. Long live the big wheels!
I sold my full squish Stumpjumper after buying a Stache 7 a year ago. I love 29+ and hope it doesn't die. I bought a few extra sets of tires just to have them. I put some carbon wheels on it this year and boy what a difference it makes.
Same! I sold my Cannondale Jekyll after getting a Stache, it just floats and flys without feeling like I'm pedaling a tank, I love it!
I love it I rode a Stache 7 then Full Stache sold em thought I was a different rider. Now am trailbuilder trying to find a 29+in North Dakota😂🤷♂️⚒️🌵⛰🌲🪨🚵♀️
Ain't dead...Fully rigid 29+ is rad and will always be
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I love my Trek Stache 7. It's my do everything MTB. From trail riding to bike packing. I think the shredders and the weight weenies are the death of 29+. It's a shame as I don't think there's a more capable platform to tackle whatever trail conditions bring.
For the weight weenies, I have a 29+ titanium Muru Mungo with carbon fiber wheels and fork which only weighs 20lbs.
29 plus is amazing. I would argue you can faster with 29 plus. So much momentum and float over everything. I have a full stache and hardtail stache. Funnest bikes I've ever owned
I love my plus bike. I have a Trek 1120 and I thinks it's awesome. It's my everything bike right now. I can ride any blue and some black single track, gravel, snow, bikepacking, it's been a real do-it-all rig for me. I'm sad it's declining. I can't find tires or rims for my bike anymore :(
I've been riding 29+ and 27.5+ SURLY ECR bikes since 2018 and these standarts are the best for simply every type of riding when talking comfort and adventure.
Last year I've tried to switch from Plus bike to the Salsa Warbird gravel bike and I loved it but I've ended getting back to Plus tires.
So now I'm riding custom built 29+ Bombtrack Beyond+ ADV 2020 and I'm absolutely in love with this bikepacking adventure rig!
I changed the tires and wheels from my Surly Pugsley from the stock 3.8 x 26 to 3 x 29. The difference was remarkable. I also have a Surly Karate Monkey 2.6 x 29. I am a 29 guy.
Did the same with my Surly Wednesday. Went to 29x3. Feels like a brand new, really fun bike!
Doing it with my Ice Cream Truck. Just have the hubs so far. Rims and tires are trickier to find.
"3.8 x 26 to 3 x 29." What are the differences?
I have a 2016 Trek Stache 9 29 Plus, it’s a spectacular bike, absolutely love it, great in all conditions, no complaints at all!
29+ is the absolute jam. Shame that bigger companies have stopped supporting the platform but it's been a staple for my riding since I've found my way onto dirt.
They'd support it if it was still selling well.
Long Live 29+!!! I went from 26x2.3 to 29+ and nothing has ever been the same. Anything smaller than 2.8s just feel skinny and 27.5+ just doesn't have the roll over and float. The 29x2.6 Teravail Cumberland you demonstrated, Neil, as the 29+ plus is just a plump wide-trail masquerading as plus. I have one cached away *inside* of a 29x3.25 Duro Crux in the rafters of the garage.
I turned my Rocky Mountain Suzi Q RSL into a 29+ hardtail and I love it.
Personally, I love my Kona Unit X with 29x2.6", and I recently picked up a pair of Teravail Coronado's 29x2.8" for it. The bike rides amazing and truly does roll over everything, especially fully loaded. I hope they stick around.
What size is it? I've heard they can be a little soft, especially loaded? Then again, I'd need an XL frame
@@davomccranko Large. I'm 187cm tall with a 82cm inseam. I found it to be a super comfortable bike. When the bike was loaded up, it flexed, but a normal amount for steel. But when I put the power down, it soaked up everything and was really quick. It's one of the nicest bikes I've ridden.
Love the ride of my Fargo with 2.75 tires. Can't really see going any wider as the ride is plush. For those who went 29plus I sure hope you can keep tires on your bikes. Variety is what this community is all about !
I have a Trek Powerfly 5. This bike came with 29” wheels. I replaced the tires with more aggressive off road, tubeless tires at 2.5” width. I like this set up very much. It has very forgiving handling at very low speeds on steep grades and it is very confidence inspiring going fast down gravel roads. I would definitely look for 29” wheels on my next bike.
love my 29+ conversion on my fatbike. Feels like I have two bikes!
Same mate. I got a 29+ wheel set from Halo to use on my Commando fatty.
No. No. No. No! No! NO! NOOOOO!
I can't stand this kind of negativity, long live the 29+! Pleeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaase!
Hahaha. I agree. But ee had to address it after Chronicles, Stash, and other stuff was discontinued.
@@pedalingnowhere I literally just went for a ride on my Trek Stache and got home to this😂! It's hands down the most capable bike I've ever owned, I love it
Long live the Maxxis Chronicle 3.0" tire, the best the world has ever seen.
I loved my Trek Stache 5 and really miss it, but man did it take up a LOT of space in my 1bd apartment. Hopefully I’ll get something similar again soon.
Three Years ago Assembled a Salsa Fargo. Started with a 2,4 and loved it. Started snooping around Jones Bicycles ideas and concepts and installed a Loop H-Bar on the Fargo. I was blown away. Had a 45mm wide rim Wheelset made and installed a set of WTB 3.0 rangers. It was a revelation. But had some slight clearance issues althoug it was an amazing bike. However the loop bar was the thing that impressed me the most, so kept digging on the Jones Concept. Got a Jones Diamond Plus LWB. All I can say is that I have sidelined all my other bikes. Scott Scale RC, GT Grade Carbon, Cube Editor, are now decorating the walls. The Fargo is Equipped with the Ultra long distance rack and panniers setup, with 2,2 tires, but the bike that I Allways ride is the 29+ Jones. I am 1,93 and 110 Kgs and I am sure it plays a big part on the decision but the platform is trully amazing.
I love My Jones Spaceframe bike. The 29 x 3.0 and 29 x 2.8 tires are great for the kind of riding I do. The thought of having to maintain a modern Full Squish bike would price me right out of the sport and my mind.
I rode my Krampugs on the southern third of the GDMBR (from Silverthorne down to Antelope Wells) in 2017 and I loved it for that. The larger wheels and higher-volume tires were great on the washboard and sand in New Mexico, and I even enjoyed it on the 1-day 122 mile pavement detour (because of mud) from Cuba to Grants. That said, it is an ENORMOUS bike, and heavy, and generally unwieldy; it is a bear on hike-a-bike sections. (though I too am large and unwieldy so this is less of an issue for me than it might be for others)
I'm about to leave on a mixed-surface ride towards the east and waffled a bit between the Krampugs and the Cutthroat (which I didn't have in 2017) and then rode them back-to-back and realized how much more efficient the Cuttie is. If I was doing a true *expedition* -- where I needed to carry 2 days of water (not out of the question, because I'm slow), for instance, or where there might be sand, the Krampugs would be perfect. For stuff closer to civilization I love the efficiency of a standard 29er.
I have an ECR and a Krampus and run both with a 3in up front and a 2.6 in the back. For me this combo is perfect for the riding I do.
I swapped knards 3.0 for mezcals 2.6 on a rigid Krampus. Both tubeless setups. I saved almost 1 kg (which is something not very noticeable). The bike is nimbler but I'd say that I miss the volume and the low pressure of the knards. I can feel the difference. I also dig the aestetics of the 3.0 if that counts.
I've got Mezcals 2.6s on the way, excited to try them out.
@@BIKEPACKINGcom They are very good on dry and on bare rock, but no traction and slippery on wet/mud in my experience
A bit late to the table but I think the 29+ category isn't dead yet, and I would even say that it is gaining a revival state lately. Thanks to the BikeLife movement, wheelie bikes tends to adopt those 29x2.8 tires because you need extra stability when you're on the rear wheel. Maybe the 29+ is dead for Bikepacking, but it's clearly gaining popularity on the street scene, with brands like SE Bikes (I myself own a Monster Quad with Vee Speedster tires, which are 29*2.8"). My wheels are 42mm wide, which is great because even if the 29*2.8" tires are going to fail in time, the rims are tight enough to be put 2.4" wide tires on. I see things that way : better have bigger clearance and go down than having low clearance and never got to experience wider tires.
The 3" tire on 29" wheel is close to height of the 5" tire on 26" wheel. I have a Surly Bud mounted up on Surly Rolling Darryl with Salsa Enabler fork which I can interchange on my Surly ECR to convert it into a 29" fat-front
In my opinion, the definition of 29+ is 29 x 3.0. This standard and 27.5 x 3.8 are the two most perfect tire sizes. I never want to ride anything else. I have been stockpiling Minion DHF 29 x 3.0 and Minion FBR 27.5 x 3.8 as often as I can find them in-stock.
Have one of the first orange +29 deadwoods and I love it! Now I mainly use during winter and during summer on a gravel.
29+ don't leave us! I love my Trek Full Stache 8 and was sad to see trek back away from this platform. It's one of the best trail bikes they have made.
Maybe they need to stop thinking that every bike spec needs to fit every size of person. It makes no sense to me that they should even be trying to make a 29+ bike that fits a 4' 10" person.
Exactly, from someone who is 6'4"
That's where 27.5+ shines. Smaller frame size, smaller wheel size. Retain proportionality. Several manufacturers are doing this with their MTBs, notably Trek with their entry level Marlin series. XXL-Med gets 29", while S/M thru XXS gets 27.5" It seems to work well.
Exactly. They should start at 26+ for xxs to small, then 27.5+ for medium, then 29+ for large and extra large. Just seems to make sense. No one seems to appreciate that tire size should scale according to frame size.
I’ve got a couple of Jones bikes and they are superb I love them with any tire size from 2.1 to 3.0 or even a 4.8 just the most competent and enjoyable bikes I’ve ever ridden.
Love the Knard, love my Krampus. The extraterrestrials tubeless are perfect for daily commuting duty as well. Hope it never dies!
My favorited singletrack ride is my 29+ Waltworks single speed. Drivetrain is 28 up front and 17 in back and 3" Chupacabra's. I've not loaded it up for a trip as my frame bags are not large enough and with my Fargo or my Cutthroat, I have just decided to ride it on singletrack, however after reading some of the comments and watching your video.........I think I'll have a frame bag built for it and give it a whirl. Love your video(s) and am a third year member of the collective.....thanks for everything!
I have a Trek Stache and I love that thing! I was curious as to why they stopped making them and now this makes more sense. I have to get a new rear wheel for it so hopefully I'll be able to find one.
I think the surge in demand for bikes hasn’t killed 29+ but put it into a coma. When supply catches back up I would hope that we see some of what’s discontinued be reintroduced. Even if the 29+ specific bike dies off (although I think Surly will keep it going), there will always be a demand from fat bike riders looking for a summer wheelset.
Also, 2.6” is a great size but true plus sized tires are still way more fun to ride.
I think you are right.
Couldn't agree more. 👍
Surly will always keep the cool/weird stuff going. It's what made them and they know it! 😉👍
I have a 2020 Trek Full Stache and i'm never getting rid of it. Finding tyres is a bit difficult, but the way is plows trough choppy terrain pleasures the soul.
I hope Surly and others will satiate the demand, even though the current model of sus fork Krampus is stocked with 2.6" tires. I love riding sand trails with 3.8" Nate tires on my Wednesday, they grip like a rock-climbing jazz pianist. More rubber, more fun \m/
I quite enjoyed riding my old 26" bikes but I also enjoy my fast roling 29 x 2.2 tire. What it lacks is ground cleareance and side grip so i will upgrade soon to 29 x 2.4 as it is the maximum size that fits into the frame. I hope they make the 29+ when i am finally buying a new bike
I like my 27.5+ Fargo - dont think I'd want to go bigger, but also dont think I'd want to go much smaller. I like that at low pressures I can use it in the winter on fat bike trails and snow without having to purchase a fat bike.
I love my Trek Stache.
I've been running z Ritchey Commando fatty with 26x4.6 tyres for a few years now. Last year I bought 29+ (29×2.8) wheelset for it. Makes for a very versatile bike. Still think in my heart of hearts that I prefer the full fat experience though 🤣
Ended up watching this video just because I’m starting to check availability for what will replace my Rangers 3.0 which are starting to wear out. It’d be sad to go lower, not just for a bunch of very rational reasons (comfort, grip, floatation…), but also because they look incredibly cool and make my Fargo an absolute head turner. As of know, I recently contacted WTB who told me that the Ranger in fast rolling tough trim (which I ride to this day) has been discontinued, whereas it’s still available in the light fast rolling version.
As a larger rider (6', 235 lbs) the 29x3 is the best feeling size for me. I ride single speed rigid and am much happier with my Krampus than I was on the 2000's frames that could only clear 2.3". I'm not setting records or stepping on the podium but I'm getting out and riding consistently because I love my bike.
6’0, 350…loving my 29x3.0 tires! Just need a steel frame mtb.
I have a Surly KM and upgraded the wheels to 29x2.6 at purchase. Tried 2.8 up front and didn't notice any difference except the weight and then did the math, it's only 5mm wider. Hope the 2.6 stays as I run the Maxxis Rekon and get 2000-2500 miles on the rear and pushed the front to 4000. Can't complain about that.
I'm not sure I'll ever be able to part with my ECR. It's such a solid, capable and simple bike, and there are too many great memories attached to it. From a market perspective, I can understand how the industry has a hard time justifying continuing to support 29+, but for those of us that embraced the platform with many miles under our belts, it's gonna be hard to let go of.
As a tall cyclist, taking an XL out XXL frame size, the 29+ still seems to make sense
I am not that tall, but a 32+ tire would be something I'd try!
Anyone who hates on Plus hasn’t ridden them. BigCycle tried to strangle the standard at birth by marketing it as “beginner”...
I wanted 29 plus but nothing was available so ended up with 27.5 x 2.8. Im very happy with it, still would like to try 29. I was surprised how well big tyres can roll on tarmac, I guess its the tread pattern makes the most difference.
I have a Krampus with 3.0 WTB Rangers and love it. There's a lot of soft sand tracks where I live which it just floats over but then on everything else its just as good without having the drag of a full fat bike. I just hope they keep making tyres for us all. 👍🇬🇧
I was shopping for a 29+ last summer but due to the pandemic…nada. But I was able to get a 27.5+ Surly ECR ordered new from a local dealer. Not as popular as the 29+ I guess, but I have no regrets, it’s a joy to ride. Hopefully future tire supply won’t be an issue.
I just got a 2021 Surly Krampus full ridged with 29x3 all set up for bike packing. I have a few videos on my channel! It is such an awesome do it all bike. Steel frame with low pressures rides so great! This tire will roll over or go through anything!!! I hope 29+ stays around forever.
I have a Krampus I use for exploring a lot of the steep chunky pirate trails here in the northwest and it really shines in that environment. That being said, I have to run really heavy home made inserts to support the sidewalls because no one makes a 3" tire with a burly side wall. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but to me, the weight of 29er plus wheels is not a problem support and dampening is. I think if some manufacturer would step up with a sensible series of tires with a sidewall that's up for real thrashing (something like a Maxxis DD) and a thoughtfully designed insert (big tannus armor!), then we would start to see 29er plus as the wheel size of choice for the hardcore hardtail crowd.
Love my Jones Plus. Simple to maintain and does everything I want in a mountain bike.
Same tho. I tell people it's the rigid steel mountain bike I've been wanting for 20 years.
Currently running 2.6" Vittoria Mezcals, but 3" works even better on the sandy ATV trails in northern Wisconsin and the UP.
Hello
How long have you had your Jones ?
I’m on the list of course for the new models whenever they come out ?
Have you changed anything on it ?
How tall are you and what size did you get ?
If you don’t mind me asking. Thank you .
@@deerhunterx1712 I have had my Jones for several years now. It was before the completes came out and was built up by Jeff. I am 5'11" tall and mine is a medium. I have not changed anything, but I'm going to need tires soon.
Same. Jones Plus LWB for me w/ Minion DHF 3" tires F/R
@@deerhunterx1712 Did you end up ordering when they came out last week? I placed my order for a Med. Tan, LWB, and am so stoked for it to arrive in a couple weeks. I'm 5'8" but with a long inseam/pbh so Med, should be just right for me.
I'm still here drooling over the Curve GMX+ and running 29x3.0s on that 29+ rig. 29+ ain't dead!
One thing to note is that just about all fat bike frame which can take 26x5 tires can take 29+, as such there shouldn't be much of an issue making 29+ bikes as long as the rubber is being produced, funky geometries aside.
I loved my woodsmoke 29+ format. It is super fun for me, not fast, but fun. With the loss of most 29+ tire choices though, I've had to dial back to 29x2.6 and while it is faster, it makes me laugh less often on trail. I keep hoping that someone other than just surly keeps making 29+ tires.
Love, love, love the Bontrager Chupacabra 29x3.00s on my old Gen 1 Krampus. Heaps of grip at low pressures, but they roll great on pavement too. Guess I’ll have to try Knards next.
OG Krampus rider here - for one, super bummed that the Maxxis Chronicle is discontinued, but I'll ride this bike as long as the frame holds up. It's a blast and sturdy af. I could drop my rabbit hole rims into the grand canyon and they'd probably just get a few scratches. 29+ was the gateway bike tho, because as soon as they figured out the geometry, they were able to dial it back for 2.4 and 2.6 tires that end up being the real sweet spot for most modern bikes. It'll keep evolving, but the 29+ is like a Chevy El Camino - it's not for everybody, but it's cool as fuck.
w/ 27.5+ I already have to run a negative rise stem. Being too short for 29+ I still can see a lot of advantages for taller riders.
how tall are you?
Bombtrack beyond adv plus with 29x3. I'm very happy with. On pavement or in the wild.
As you put more pressure into the tires, even on pavement and fully loaded (with a trailer) I can manage good speed on my journeys.
Do I must say that whoever choose this kind of bicycle setup is not looking for speed, more for the adventure side.
@Eagle Tactics Same for me, I changed the WTB's after a trip to Kirgizstan, I had sooo many punctures... Goat heads ... :/
(WTB's are really good for the nature where I live, but for arid places where cacti grows... I've found them a little bit to easy to puncture).
I'm actually trying out the Tannus Armour inserts right now with Maxxis Chronicles 29x3, the only problem where I live there are no goat heads :D lol. But I'm testing... Rolling resistance and durability puncture protection.
I'm so glad I got the ADV!
I love my Krampus fitted with Chronicles (RIP) for bikepacking. Fortunately, I have many, many miles left on those tires and when it does come time to replace them, I'm confident there'll be at least a few options still available. Unless Surly discontinues the Krampus (in addition to the ECR), which would be a sin, I don't think the Knards are going anywhere so at least those will be an option. Perhaps the decrease in 29+ tire options partially has to do with the issues in the supply chain, so hopefully when that gets better we'll see some options come back. I can't think of a better platform for bikepacking, especially if you ride a full rigid - so as long as bikepacking is around, so should 29+.
Bring back 29+ and 26+. I still love it
Its too bad because I really loved my Trek Stache as it was one the funnest bikes I've ridden!
God I hope not, at least when it comes to tires. My stache is here to stay in my stable and I'll need rubber in the future!
I bought that blue stache last year and I will never sell it. My favorite bike for bikepacking and it can get rowdy for being rigid too!
I love my Krampus and also have a 27.5+ ECR. Unfortunately neither tire sizes - or bikes - are catching on as much as (I feel) they should. RIP the ECR... Riding in Minnesota year round, I found the plus tires perfect for any terrain - it is no wonder why Surly keeps pushing the boundaries of tire size and clearance on their bikes. 3.0s float over snow, have enough traction on ice, and honestly raise the bar what rigid bikes can do.
Perhaps 29+ will die a slow death, but I 100% believe 27.5+ will carry the torch as more and more 29er bikes can fit those chunky 27.5x3.0s. Meanwhile, I'll just be snagging up both tire sizes every time I see a deal so I never have to rely on the industry to keep them alive :)
I love my 29+ Nards. I have two brand new sets to put on my ECR. I hope these tires don't go away.
Underrated tires!
still a huge fan. drank the kool-aid in 2014 by advice from a friend and have never looked back. I have reeled it back to 2.8 only because 3.0s were hard to find last year. absolutely loved watching this video and the great rigs that are in it.
Thanks for the support Andy! 2.8" tires certainly seem more available than the 3.0" category.
I think I might do this,too. How different is the 2.8 compared to 3.0? s it noticeable enough that you miss the #3.0?
Stache 7 owner... I expect Trek to support my bike in the future. Tires and wheels.
Fat Bike's went through a similar peak/slump. During the ramp there is a combination of filling an unmet need, and also a lot of shiny-new-widget driven sales. Manufacturers see this large year over year growth and extrapolate, while in reality the market gets largely satiated and things settle down to a baseline of lower but steady sales.
29+ seems to also have been partially assimilated by the Borg. The group-think of 2.4" tires being the logical maximum got broken down, and marginal gains of higher volume resulted in 2.6" becoming a very happy middle-ground tire size that sucked the wind out of the sales for 29x3.0. I still get a bigger smile from riding my 29x3 Knard equipped Blackborow than my 29x2.6" equipped bikepacking rig.
I love my Ogre, but missed the boat on too many fun bikes (RIP Pack Rat). Not going to make that mistake on 29*3. Once I'm back from summer field work I'm throwing down on a Krampus frameset.
I’ve just built myself a nordest sardinha changing my mind from a surly krampus. Thought that 29+ is not that popular anymore and it would be almost impossible to find replacement around. Plus a bike made from 29+ has a low BB and with smaller tires it would get too close to the ground. Happy that you agree with 29x2.6 on a 30mm inner width rim, because that’s exactly the wheel size that I’ve built for myself for the sardinha!
I love the Ranger 2.6s on my Sardinha. Pretty tight in the back, though!
@@pedalingnowhere indeed, not much space! But with some clear tape in the back of seat tube it’s all good. So far I never got stuck in mud!
Great video. I'm running a 2019 Salsa Fargo spec'd to take up to a 3" tire. Done some backroad, offroad and asphalt touring as well as mountain biking with it. The internal width of the rims is 29 mm and can take tires 40 mm to 3" (according to rim limits) which I find is quite a range. But, honestly, I have never run a 3" tire in the close to 3 years I've owned it. I changed out the Maxxis 2.6" tires it came with for Maxxis Hookworms 2.5". This will never be a fast bike and I'll never be a fast rider but the Hookworms have been incredibly serviceable and handled tons of different terrain. I may go to a 2.2" tire for a little less rolling resistance. Nice to have the tire options.
We clyde's/wookies will keep 29+ alive as a subculture
i love my 29x3.0 minions, and Rock shox lyrik. best possible setup for a big dude
I hear ye. I'm only 6'4 and 183 lbs / 83 kg but the big tyre makes exploring more possible
@@davomccranko not just exploring, a 29x3.0 corners so much better than a skinny tire.
at 270 6'4' it's just the right sized tire. Could even go bigger to 3.5 if the frame would take it. Riding a Trek Full Stache towing a Bob trailer
McFly 2.8 has been getting me over things I would not have cleared otherwise, prob cost a few tight uphill switchbacks. Actually I've really been feeling a 26x4.4 in the back with 29x2.8 Fox 34SC in front. The ability to stand up on that much more is welcome in my opinion. The narrower front tire is easier to get to edge knobs than a blunt front tire, also less flotation is needed there generally. Not to mention a slacker overall angle from the slightly smaller wheel in back.
I love my Stache, at 5ft 8in I feel like I'm walking a draft horse when I walk it out of the garage to put it on the car rack but still, it's amazing. I hope it stays forever.
I have my 2015 surly ecr 29+ with over 100k miles on it and after a few upgrades it’s going to be my last bike. I do see tires are not always available but that’s why I bought 3 sets in 2019. I have extra everything on hand and plan to ride 2 years straight starting the first week of February 2023. Look for me on the streets and trails near you.
I mourn the loss of Chronicles. Hey, Bikepacking, why no Jones bikes in the video? What happened?
Love my Jones Plus LWB!! :-D
I have both Kona Units 2018 27.5 and 2021 29 x 2.6 . I feel the 29 x 2.6 combo is better just enough volume to take the edge off and better to roll over stuff and more efficient. I think it will be the future. in the mean time I am going to stock pile some 29 x2.6 tires for the zombie apocalypse. Cheers
For what it's worth I have decked out my fat bike (likely another "dead" format in the eyes of the industry hype-mongers)with a set of 29x3 wheels & tyres.....I love it. Find it really is a sweet spot on the coast mixing up firm sand with dune singletrack. The 26x4 wheels mostly gather dust now glad to read it's not just me that loves this format.😊
Thanks for this material, I hope 29+ is not dead, but you give mi answer why I need 27,5+ bike
Great piece! Loved the historical context you brought to light here. Yup, dialed it back a bit to 2.6" The sweet spot. Thanks!!
I have more than one screwdriver in my tool box and I have more than one bike in my garage. Sure, its a specific tool but what it does, it does well. Happy Trails buddy
Just scored my first 29, a used Trek Excaliber 8 and I'm in love. Been riding various types of cycles all my life, rode cross country on a mtb frame with city tires, pulling a kids trailer with gear in 1990, etc. These days I only ride cycles and recently added an awd ebike to the garage, because I'm getting old, etc and it fits with my desert area. Got the 29 for riding desert and I'm so stoked on it...
Gonna be doing some reviews and tips, including for the awd ebike, which is soooooooòo sweet