Great rundown Alvin!! We are really enjoying the ARCE paired with our beloved ARES II in our system. Very nice pairing. And as a ROON user, I can report that the minute I plugged the ARCE in to my network it was recognized by ROON and within seconds I was playing music.. :) Looking forward to future updates, as well as continued audition and our review coming soon... Cheers and Happy New Years...
Thanks Alvin for this useful preview/presentation of this streamer, seems to be gorgeous. The fact that you've repeated several times that is NOT based on a Pie module (as the Holo Audio RED for example ? 😁) is already a sneak peak of its audio capability and sound signature. Looking forward to test one myself. Cheers.
Hi Alvin. Very nice presentation. I will absolutely consider the Arce in the future when it is released. It's probably too late in the development process, but I would very much like to see wifi capability built into the Arce. Cheers!
Thanks Alvin, the service from Vinshine Audio is excellent and honest. Alas, I think this streamer is not for me, at the moment, I don't want an expensive subscription to Roon. I have a question though considering the roles of the DDC in between the Arce and e.g. Pontus II. I bought the Hermes to clean up the usb signal, is that no longer necessary if you have the Arce? Considering there is no usb output then how can I have DSD 1024 sent from the Acne to the DAC via non-usb connections?
hi alvin In the Denefrips catalog, such an object was missing, I would say that the digital reproduction chain is now complete! Thanks Alvin for your work 😉
Alvin, as I understand your report update. The hardware is developed, the software still needs much upgrades. With no timeline available current. This project has been in development since 2017, thus the finished product most of us wait for could be some time away. For those of us that have been waiting to add this to our dacs, it’s rather disappointing news. I hope Denafips can speed up this process of joining the main services people look to today. P.S., if the Wiim mini can get its software taken care of, I’m sure a company like Denafrips can settle contractual obligations for software? To be clear, I’m not comparing the Wiim to the Denafips in terms of hardware! For you to come on and tell us you honestly have no idea when updates will come tells me it will be a long wait? I appreciate your thoughtfulness. Denaprips should take care with its dedicated customer base so to not lose confidence with its value system. Alvin’s Vinshine Audio has the unenviable task to deliver the bad news unfortunately. ✌️
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it. We are committed to collaborating with DENAFRIPS on enhancing the software aspect, and we're confident that we'll achieve our goals. Thank you for your kind patience and understanding, sir!
I own Audio Alchemy DDP1 and it uses mini Din connector for i2S , can you give me pin out of your HDMI out so I can build custom cable to connect it to my DDP1 ? I love my DAC and preamp and need just a steamer with i2s
I'm very interested in this as an SD card player. Will the sound quality be better through the SD card versus streaming on it? To play music on the SD card do I need to be connected to the internet to browse the files?
Arce Streamer will be equipped with an Android app that allows users to play content from USB storage. The app provides a simple yet functional music playback feature, enabling users to enjoy their locally stored music on USB or SD cards. Stay tuned for the update sir!
Come on lah, if it has a ARM SoC compute module, it's not that different at all from all other streamers with off-the-shelf compute modules. If not, then please present technical details, not marketing talk.
The Arce streamer is equipped with an internal DDC, eliminating the need for an external one. This built-in DDC includes a FIFO buffer and a Temperature Compensated Crystal Oscillator, effectively making it a Streamer+DDC in one device.
Hi Alvin, I already have a RP4 Streamer and before the Release of the Arce streamer I considered The Iris DDC connecting it via I2S to my Pontus II. As the Arce does not have a USB output and the Iris only have an USB input I assume it is only an Arce OR a Streamer+Iris decision. Question: Does the Arce Solution will sound better than the Streamer+Iris solution or are both Solutions comporable as they may incorporate similar measures to improve sound quality. This could be quite interesting for all others here who have already a streamer. Thanks a lot for your answer.
Alvin - is this the entry point? Ie will their be a higher quality denafrips model? I just need a good transport with I2S to pair with my T2 12th. On that note, why are there no reviews of the T2 12th? Is that cause it's way better value for money than the T2 plus 12th as has been suggested by some websites?
If you already own Bluesound, and happy with the sound quality, you may like to consider upgrading the PSU: www.beatechnik.com/product-page/lhy-bluesound-psu-kit
I love my Denafrips DACs but this streamer lacks too many features, is too expensive and does not seem ready for market compared to the competition. Folks want screens and a software that links with a phone (if no remote is provided) sorry but this product is not ready for prime time compared to what is already out there...
I have Streamers from Bluesound Node, Raspberry Pi up to Grimm MU1. One feature that makes me keep the old Node 2i is it's Trigger out. If you can implement that, I will be the first to order one ;)
What do you mean for Roon Bridge support? Is Roon Bridge installed on Arce (is the Linux) or installed on my PC/laptop, which to be connected to Arce? Which digital interface to be used for this? USB? You have implemented less popular technologies like HQPlayer, DLNA 44.1/16 (wow!), and have not implemented UPnP and RAAT. It seems that the streamer for today is just garbage.
I could just imagine the look from someone, who overhears a conversation between audiophiles mispronouncing this product in public, would give. A: "Man, I'm curious if your ARCE opens up after 100 hours of burning in". B: "Me too! But I think it would take way longer than that. I've been burning in my ARCE for close to 80 hours so far. It has opened up a little but it's still not warming up & smooth yet. I'll let you know when it does so you can come over & enjoy it." 😁😁😁
It's really infuriating that Apple has the best quality streaming but remains incompatible with the majority of streamers except via Airplay which is lossy. Sandboxing at its worst.
Bluesound node is laughing all the way to the bank if overpriced. Now we have to pay for Roon on top of that to get other streaming services. When you do put more streaming services then I may consider it. I would rather buy this MATRIX MINI-I PRO 4 ES9039Q2M Music Streamer than this product
Bluesound is too busy scrambling to recover the market share shifting to Eversolo while they release yet another bland looking box that finally has a useable dac.
This is a Red Flag for me: Here is the Denafrips Return Policy. **************************************************************************** "Return / Refund Policy We run an honest business, we strive to keep the cost low, therefore, effectively pass down the saving to you, our customer. We do not support return / refund of any product. Thank you for your kind understanding." ************************************************************************* There are a lot of Chinese Dacs that are Superb, and have a Full Refund (Less Return Shipping) Policy --- Via Apos in California. Before dropping $4 Grand on a component, I would want to try it out in my System. If the Manufacturer/Seller does not trust their component enough to offer a trial period, why should you? Especially for a $4 Grand Component.
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Great rundown Alvin!! We are really enjoying the ARCE paired with our beloved ARES II in our system. Very nice pairing. And as a ROON user, I can report that the minute I plugged the ARCE in to my network it was recognized by ROON and within seconds I was playing music.. :) Looking forward to future updates, as well as continued audition and our review coming soon... Cheers and Happy New Years...
Thanks Alvin for this useful preview/presentation of this streamer, seems to be gorgeous. The fact that you've repeated several times that is NOT based on a Pie module (as the Holo Audio RED for example ? 😁) is already a sneak peak of its audio capability and sound signature. Looking forward to test one myself. Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Dang no USB out, I have a very expesive USB cable.
We are working on the USB Audio Output, stay tuned!
Thanks for being so honest regarding who it’s suitable for and who it’s not. Hope Spotify connect can be added soon. And then I can be a customer
Thank you, sir. I appreciate your kind words!
Hi Alvin. Very nice presentation. I will absolutely consider the Arce in the future when it is released. It's probably too late in the development process, but I would very much like to see wifi capability built into the Arce. Cheers!
Thank you for the support, I appreciate it!
As a Roon user I will take sound quality over a ton of features I will probably never use. Very interested.
Thank you, Paul! I appreciate it
would you call the usb port on the back the arce-hole? I think they took inspiration from Schiit Audio ;)
nice one!
😂😂
Thanks Alvin, the service from Vinshine Audio is excellent and honest. Alas, I think this streamer is not for me, at the moment, I don't want an expensive subscription to Roon. I have a question though considering the roles of the DDC in between the Arce and e.g. Pontus II. I bought the Hermes to clean up the usb signal, is that no longer necessary if you have the Arce? Considering there is no usb output then how can I have DSD 1024 sent from the Acne to the DAC via non-usb connections?
We are working on the Arce USB Audio Output, stay tuned sir!
Thanks for the development update. This looks like a serious little streamer. I am looking forward to see it on the market and Roon certified.
Fingers crossed!
I never felt a need to have a tiny display on a streamer that sits 10 ft away. No touch screen, no problem!
Good point, sir! Thank you :)
Should consider making streamer like EverSolo A6 like screen, SSD etc. But have one version without DAC.
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it!
hi alvin
In the Denefrips catalog, such an object was missing, I would say that the digital reproduction chain is now complete!
Thanks Alvin for your work 😉
Thank you for the kind words! There are still much works need to be done. We will get there!
Should have finished it completly and launched in market.... I got a Pontus ii DAC and a happy customer here 😊
Same here!
We are working hard on it!
Alvin, as I understand your report update. The hardware is developed, the software still needs much upgrades. With no timeline available current. This project has been in development since 2017, thus the finished product most of us wait for could be some time away. For those of us that have been waiting to add this to our dacs, it’s rather disappointing news. I hope Denafips can speed up this process of joining the main services people look to today. P.S., if the Wiim mini can get its software taken care of, I’m sure a company like Denafrips can settle contractual obligations for software? To be clear, I’m not comparing the Wiim to the Denafips in terms of hardware! For you to come on and tell us you honestly have no idea when updates will come tells me it will be a long wait? I appreciate your thoughtfulness. Denaprips should take care with its dedicated customer base so to not lose confidence with its value system. Alvin’s Vinshine Audio has the unenviable task to deliver the bad news unfortunately. ✌️
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it. We are committed to collaborating with DENAFRIPS on enhancing the software aspect, and we're confident that we'll achieve our goals. Thank you for your kind patience and understanding, sir!
Great! Any ETA for it arrive on the EU sales platforms?
You may purchase it on our website too!
Will it work with music sent to it from a mac-mini running Audirvana?
It works via DLNA but limited sampling rate at 16/44.1kHz.
@@VinshineAudioWell that sucks....😖
How is the compatibility of the I2S port between Arce and DAC of other brands? Thx.
We are working on it, stay tuned sir!
I own Audio Alchemy DDP1 and it uses mini Din connector for i2S , can you give me pin out of your HDMI out so I can build custom cable to connect it to my DDP1 ?
I love my DAC and preamp and need just a steamer with i2s
I'm very interested in this as an SD card player. Will the sound quality be better through the SD card versus streaming on it?
To play music on the SD card do I need to be connected to the internet to browse the files?
Arce Streamer will be equipped with an Android app that allows users to play content from USB storage. The app provides a simple yet functional music playback feature, enabling users to enjoy their locally stored music on USB or SD cards.
Stay tuned for the update sir!
Come on lah, if it has a ARM SoC compute module, it's not that different at all from all other streamers with off-the-shelf compute modules. If not, then please present technical details, not marketing talk.
Thanks Alvin, once you got Quoboz, im all ears ;-) Keep it up
Hi Alvin. When using ARCE, it is still a need for a separate DDC?
Similar question here....i have the Iris ....
The price is a little steep even in US dollars. I can’t wait for reviews.
Half the price of ps audio airlens though.
Surely!
Pls make sure this album plays gapless via Tidal: Caught Up, Millie Jackson😊
Nice!
Will the DDC fit in my ARCE? 😀
The Arce streamer is equipped with an internal DDC, eliminating the need for an external one. This built-in DDC includes a FIFO buffer and a Temperature Compensated Crystal Oscillator, effectively making it a Streamer+DDC in one device.
You bet your ARCE it's probably good! I recommend it with Preparation-HQ Player.
We are working on it!
if its got HQP built in I'm sold
We are working to perfect the HQP playback, stay tuned sir!
Hi Alvin, I already have a RP4 Streamer and before the Release of the Arce streamer I considered The Iris DDC connecting it via I2S to my Pontus II.
As the Arce does not have a USB output and the Iris only have an USB input I assume it is only an Arce OR a Streamer+Iris decision. Question: Does the Arce Solution will sound better than the Streamer+Iris solution or are both Solutions comporable as they may incorporate similar measures to improve sound quality. This could be quite interesting for all others here who have already a streamer. Thanks a lot for your answer.
Will the Poseidon return? Don't see it on your website. Thanks
Here you go sir: www.vinshineaudio.com/product-page/denafrips-poseidon
No WiFi, no purchase
Alvin - is this the entry point? Ie will their be a higher quality denafrips model? I just need a good transport with I2S to pair with my T2 12th.
On that note, why are there no reviews of the T2 12th? Is that cause it's way better value for money than the T2 plus 12th as has been suggested by some websites?
There will be! But it takes time to realise. We will keep that in our sleeves, for now.
TII 12th review is coming. Stay tuned sir!
Airplay 2 or airplay? Would specify that :)
It's Airplay....
Loved the name
Thank you! Arce it is!
So many other greek gods you could have chosen....stupid name.
What is the benefit over a microrendu for using Roon?
“That’s Garbage”🤣
The Arce streamer comes with several digital outputs. It might be useful :)
@@bert-9916
Boomerang
how does it compare to my Bluesound? the iFi was a disaster. however i have a problem with buying anything from Singapore for political reasons.
If you already own Bluesound, and happy with the sound quality, you may like to consider upgrading the PSU: www.beatechnik.com/product-page/lhy-bluesound-psu-kit
When can we expect a release date?
Product shop link says estimated late August ship date.
Thank you Robert for your continued support!
Would have loved to see plexamp support on this.
I am afraid it's not in the plan, my apologies.
So how am I going to play Spotify Connect?
Just connect it to any boombox. Will be still good enough to handle Spotify.
Arce doesn't come with Spotify connect. You may use airplay/DLNA to stream Spotify to it :)
I use Tidal to stream about 50% of the time and I play Vinyl the other 50% of the time. Please focus on Tidal for this unit. Thanks!
Hi Bryant, thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it!
I love my Denafrips DACs but this streamer lacks too many features, is too expensive and does not seem ready for market compared to the competition. Folks want screens and a software that links with a phone (if no remote is provided) sorry but this product is not ready for prime time compared to what is already out there...
I appreciate your constructive feedback, sir!
Is this streamer fully compatible with Audirvana Studio?
I know this question has already been asked, but you didn't answer it...
It supports DLNA but limited at 16/44.1, for now :)
Still no Roon Certified
Is there volume control or remote.?
No sir, it doesn't come with a remote control / volume control.
I use BlueSound Node 2i and stream Tidal. What would the benefits be to switch to Denafrips and what is Roon?
Type "what is roon music server" in Google and find out.
Denafrips is a joke.
Hi Philip, you may find out more about roon via the link here (roon.app/en/how-roon-works).
Question: Does this streamer have its own Android or/and iOS app?
Hey Ray, Android App is pending release!
I have Streamers from Bluesound Node, Raspberry Pi up to Grimm MU1. One feature that makes me keep the old Node 2i is it's Trigger out. If you can implement that, I will be the first to order one ;)
Ahh, my apologies. There is no plans for trigger output.
invested in Deezer
I am afraid it's not in the plan, my apologies.
No usb out?
We are working on the USB Audio Output. Stay tuned!
I’m very disappointed that this steamer has no USB output
Sounds like if it was named after the greek goddess it would be spelled & pronounced Arke, not Ar-see
Good point!
Not for me I'm afraid...I want a streamer with a nice touchscreen and I don't want Roon.
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it!
What do you mean for Roon Bridge support? Is Roon Bridge installed on Arce (is the Linux) or installed on my PC/laptop, which to be connected to Arce? Which digital interface to be used for this? USB? You have implemented less popular technologies like HQPlayer, DLNA 44.1/16 (wow!), and have not implemented UPnP and RAAT. It seems that the streamer for today is just garbage.
Thank you for the constructive criticism, I appreciate it!
How does it work on Apple Airplay 2 since ARCE doesn't have WIFI?
AirPlay devices work on Ethernet. Wi-Fi from phone to send, a device like this over Ethernet to receive.
Is there any WiFi connections available?
No sir, LAN only :)
I could just imagine the look from someone, who overhears a conversation between audiophiles mispronouncing this product in public, would give.
A: "Man, I'm curious if your ARCE opens up after 100 hours of burning in".
B: "Me too! But I think it would take way longer than that. I've been burning in my ARCE for close to 80 hours so far. It has opened up a little but it's still not warming up & smooth yet. I'll let you know when it does so you can come over & enjoy it." 😁😁😁
That's a good one, sir!
No tidal Connect, no wifi... it's an unfinished product launch. Too bad, I expected better.
Thank you for the frank opinion, sir! We will get there, some day!
It's really infuriating that Apple has the best quality streaming but remains incompatible with the majority of streamers except via Airplay which is lossy. Sandboxing at its worst.
I bet there will be some streamers emerge soon to support Apply Music!
@@VinshineAudioThere are. Fiio R7 and eversolo dmp-a6.
Bluesound node is laughing all the way to the bank if overpriced. Now we have to pay for Roon on top of that to get other streaming services. When you do put more streaming services then I may consider it. I would rather buy this MATRIX MINI-I PRO 4 ES9039Q2M Music Streamer than this product
Bluesound is too busy scrambling to recover the market share shifting to Eversolo while they release yet another bland looking box that finally has a useable dac.
Thank you for the constructive feedback, I appreciate it!
Well, I wish you luck with this.
Not for me anyway, not that big Roon fan and don't want to pay TOP $$$ for a subscription.
Same for me 😢
Roon is the best
@@mariuszszymczewski8590
If you say so.
I have Roon and know how it is. 😉
Roon is a cost, streaming is free
Thank you for the wishes, I appreciate it!
Far too expensive for a Raspberry PI with a clean PSU and digital output ...
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it! Technically, it's not a RPI though.
Very disappointing device - no support of any popular streaming service!
I am grateful for your constructive feedback!
Mmmm kiss my Arce!
Should’ve done Dac/streamer.
Denefrips is always late to the party.
I value your constructive feedback; it means a lot to me. Thank you!
Is this a joke? Cause it’s not funny at all
What’s not funny?
What on earth are you talking about?
This is a Red Flag for me: Here is the Denafrips Return Policy.
****************************************************************************
"Return / Refund Policy
We run an honest business, we strive to keep the cost low, therefore, effectively pass down the saving to you, our customer. We do not support return / refund of any product.
Thank you for your kind understanding."
*************************************************************************
There are a lot of Chinese Dacs that are Superb, and have a Full Refund (Less Return Shipping) Policy --- Via Apos in California.
Before dropping $4 Grand on a component, I would want to try it out in my System. If the Manufacturer/Seller does not trust their component enough to offer a trial period, why should you? Especially for a $4 Grand Component.
Hmm, thank you for the comment!
why not just do a deal with Lenbrook and license blue OS? too limited unlikely too expensive!
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it! DENAFRIPS decided to take another route instead :)
ASS 😁
Nice catch!
nothing interesting...no chance...
Complicated for me.
If you use roon, it will be straightforward!