Thank you. That was great. Sometimes the same thing need to be explained in many ways before you get it. Your explanation really caught my attention. Let's get better!
Is edge similarity something you've heard of before? It is a huge focus for Ted Ligety, Tom Gellie and many of the pros we work with. Is it something you're thinking about in your skiing? Let us know below 👇
We need a really good quality video of Tom demoing techniques from all angles. Maybe we need more sensors, not just under the feet. I'll be happy to test them for you all :D
Yes Yes Yes. This is one of the top 3 most important factors in high level skiing. Garlands are good to work on this for lower level skiers. "One ski" skiing and drill variants like "uphill ski garlands" are the best way to develop edge similarity once your edge angles get high. You will naturally have good feel for edge control on the outside ski, but inside ski edge angle control does not come naturally. You have to spend a lot of time doing drills to be able to feel your inside ski and control it independently during a turn. Once you get to a high level, you will actually use the carving action of the inside ski to achieve those absolute highest levels of edge angle. Rhetorical question: What happens when you maintain good edge similarity, and drive your inside knee more such that your inside ski starts to carve a TIGHTER arc? 1. Your skis move apart. 2. If you have learned to hold your horizontal width, as the skis move apart, you will gain VERTICAL SEPARATION. 3. Vertical separation with edge similarity can result in only one thing - higher edge angles on both skis. But to do this you have to use your inside ski very early in the turn. As soon as you soften and the skis start moving across the hill under you, you must feel and control that old outside tilting onto edge. As your old outside ski becomes your new inside ski, maintain that feel and control you have on that ski. In this way the inside ski is like the "control lever" or the "steering wheel" for your turn. It controls edge angle of the outside ski once you get beyond about 50 degrees. Watch an FIS GS skier's turn. You will notice that just at the start of the most loaded phase of the turn, the stance widens VERTICALLY and the edge angle cranks a little more. This is the inside ski working as a control lever. You will see the inside ski separate vertically by carving away through the apex of the turn. The it comes back as the skis unload.
Thanks! On pressure, that will depend on the kind of turn. Tom is getting around 60-65% on the more gentle shorter radius turn and 70-80% on longer radius carving. His pressure is perfectly balanced left vs right turn!
@@CarvSki oh wow! So his pressure is equally distributed on downhill vs uphill ski! I thought it would be like a 60-40or 70-30 split depending on the slope/run difficulty?
Mary Haney, I am not a CARV instructor (nor an instructor of any kind) but have always found that legs fighting each other is a product of not removing enough weight from the non-stance ski. Try taking one turn stops while focusing on removing all of the heel weight of the inside ski (keep just that ski tip on the snow). I have an nonathletic friend that did this for two hours (with me) on green trails before he began to trust that his carving ski could actually handle the increased load. GL
I’m struggling with parallel ski metrics. Do you have any video how to get your skis more parallel. Edge similarity is a bit on the same area, but not exatly the same?
I get the benefits Tom, and you mentioned the contact points on both feet, which was cool. Shouldn't you have covered edge pressure % too for each foot, in conjunction with the tipping angle consistency?
There is literally nothing you can do about relative edge pressure. It is a function of the kinematics / geometry of your legs! At high edge angles, your inside leg is very short/bent. This is because....it has to be for you to have high edge angles. Your outside ski leg is almost straight...bent maybe 20-25 degrees as the knee. How strong is that leg? Your inside leg it bet 90 degrees....how strong is THAT leg. Do you get it? The relative loads on your outside and inside skis are simply a function of how strong your legs are, in their differing kinematic positions. You inside leg is literally so weak that no matter how hard you try, you are never going to get much more than 10% load on that leg. It simply can not carry load in that position. The outside leg is in that position because it has to be....it must be in the strongest position possible. Sort of like doing a "cheater" squat. WC/FIS skiers are pulling 3+ Gs in turns. Do you really think the inside leg is in any sort of position to contribute meaningfully to carrying load? The job of the inside ski is not to carry load...it is to change the shape of your stance by shortening your inside leg. Use the inside ski to carve your way to vertical separation. The outside ski leg is the "engine" of the turn, while the inside ski leg is the "control lever". This is why angle similarity is key. If you have good edge similarity, when you carve your inside ski away from the outside ski, you will achieve vertical separation. With poor edge similarity, it wont work. You will get horizontal separation, and even A-frame.
Good day I have a very important question concerning my ski 'DIN' settings - I am a very fast and aggressive skier and have my DIN set to 10 now. Is this good, or should I set it higher? I wonder what ski racers have theirs set to.
I ski very aggressively and fast. Sometimes, there are bumps that I like to get some air off of. If my ski comes off, I am going to get hurt -- in fact I did, the DINS were to low; knocked out, sore neck, busted eyes from goggles compressing into my eye. Knowing my skiis won't come of is pleasing to know. It's in the back of my mind. WHAT DO YOU DO?
Thanks for the comment. Most of our skiers would use an intensive mode like this 'monitor mode' for a few runs while focussing on their technique, then they'd put it back into their freeskiing. Just like any other sport, the flow state is the best part, Carv helps you train in a powerful way so you can get more of it when the conditions are all time.
Studies show time and time again that being able to progress at a sport is what gives the greatest rewards, not just doing the sport the same every day
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Thank you. That was great. Sometimes the same thing need to be explained in many ways before you get it. Your explanation really caught my attention. Let's get better!
Is edge similarity something you've heard of before? It is a huge focus for Ted Ligety, Tom Gellie and many of the pros we work with.
Is it something you're thinking about in your skiing? Let us know below 👇
We need a really good quality video of Tom demoing techniques from all angles. Maybe we need more sensors, not just under the feet. I'll be happy to test them for you all :D
I have been working on that and he explained it so well and gave a drill to work on it!
Yes Yes Yes. This is one of the top 3 most important factors in high level skiing. Garlands are good to work on this for lower level skiers. "One ski" skiing and drill variants like "uphill ski garlands" are the best way to develop edge similarity once your edge angles get high. You will naturally have good feel for edge control on the outside ski, but inside ski edge angle control does not come naturally. You have to spend a lot of time doing drills to be able to feel your inside ski and control it independently during a turn.
Once you get to a high level, you will actually use the carving action of the inside ski to achieve those absolute highest levels of edge angle. Rhetorical question: What happens when you maintain good edge similarity, and drive your inside knee more such that your inside ski starts to carve a TIGHTER arc?
1. Your skis move apart.
2. If you have learned to hold your horizontal width, as the skis move apart, you will gain VERTICAL SEPARATION.
3. Vertical separation with edge similarity can result in only one thing - higher edge angles on both skis. But to do this you have to use your inside ski very early in the turn. As soon as you soften and the skis start moving across the hill under you, you must feel and control that old outside tilting onto edge. As your old outside ski becomes your new inside ski, maintain that feel and control you have on that ski.
In this way the inside ski is like the "control lever" or the "steering wheel" for your turn. It controls edge angle of the outside ski once you get beyond about 50 degrees. Watch an FIS GS skier's turn. You will notice that just at the start of the most loaded phase of the turn, the stance widens VERTICALLY and the edge angle cranks a little more. This is the inside ski working as a control lever. You will see the inside ski separate vertically by carving away through the apex of the turn. The it comes back as the skis unload.
what a great coach!. We called it Paralele
Great video on a critical part of good technique!
I like the comment that to be a little better than yourself at the beginning of the day. Really helps.
Great vid. Working on this every year. What pressure percentage on each ski is applied? Especially on a non groomer blue run.
Thanks! On pressure, that will depend on the kind of turn. Tom is getting around 60-65% on the more gentle shorter radius turn and 70-80% on longer radius carving. His pressure is perfectly balanced left vs right turn!
@@CarvSki oh wow! So his pressure is equally distributed on downhill vs uphill ski! I thought it would be like a 60-40or 70-30 split depending on the slope/run difficulty?
I work on my carving everyday, looks like this video was done at Deer Valley, Utah??
@@cecilgay7756 yep, great spot 🎯
@@swingman50 it’s edge angle similarity not pressure similarity. Easy to get mixed up
hardest thing to do well consistently for me, especially on hard pack/bumpy days.
My biggest issue is that my legs do not want to work as a team, they constantly fight each other.
Mary Haney, I am not a CARV instructor (nor an instructor of any kind) but have always found that legs fighting each other is a product of not removing enough weight from the non-stance ski. Try taking one turn stops while focusing on removing all of the heel weight of the inside ski (keep just that ski tip on the snow). I have an nonathletic friend that did this for two hours (with me) on green trails before he began to trust that his carving ski could actually handle the increased load. GL
I’m struggling with parallel ski metrics. Do you have any video how to get your skis more parallel. Edge similarity is a bit on the same area, but not exatly the same?
Thanks for the advice, we're thinking about what metrics to cover next, so we'll keep this in mind!
Is it a bluetooth earphone to receive the guidance from the carv device? Thanks
Yep it just uses to your phones audio - so any headphone will do. The guidance is also on the phone if you don’t want to ski with headphones
Where to get carv
I get the benefits Tom, and you mentioned the contact points on both feet, which was cool. Shouldn't you have covered edge pressure % too for each foot, in conjunction with the tipping angle consistency?
There is literally nothing you can do about relative edge pressure. It is a function of the kinematics / geometry of your legs! At high edge angles, your inside leg is very short/bent. This is because....it has to be for you to have high edge angles. Your outside ski leg is almost straight...bent maybe 20-25 degrees as the knee. How strong is that leg? Your inside leg it bet 90 degrees....how strong is THAT leg. Do you get it? The relative loads on your outside and inside skis are simply a function of how strong your legs are, in their differing kinematic positions. You inside leg is literally so weak that no matter how hard you try, you are never going to get much more than 10% load on that leg. It simply can not carry load in that position. The outside leg is in that position because it has to be....it must be in the strongest position possible. Sort of like doing a "cheater" squat. WC/FIS skiers are pulling 3+ Gs in turns. Do you really think the inside leg is in any sort of position to contribute meaningfully to carrying load?
The job of the inside ski is not to carry load...it is to change the shape of your stance by shortening your inside leg. Use the inside ski to carve your way to vertical separation. The outside ski leg is the "engine" of the turn, while the inside ski leg is the "control lever". This is why angle similarity is key. If you have good edge similarity, when you carve your inside ski away from the outside ski, you will achieve vertical separation. With poor edge similarity, it wont work. You will get horizontal separation, and even A-frame.
What mountain is this?
Hi carv
Please what is your ski suit brand?
This outfit is from Onyone
Good day
I have a very important question concerning my ski 'DIN' settings - I am a very fast and aggressive skier and have my DIN set to 10 now. Is this good, or should I set it higher?
I wonder what ski racers have theirs set to.
I’ll defer to a real pro here but DIN at 10 seems terrible for your ankles and knees if you ever wipe out. Those skis are not coming off.
I ski very aggressively and fast. Sometimes, there are bumps that I like to get some air off of. If my ski comes off, I am going to get hurt -- in fact I did, the DINS were to low; knocked out, sore neck, busted eyes from goggles compressing into my eye.
Knowing my skiis won't come of is pleasing to know. It's in the back of my mind.
WHAT DO YOU DO?
I dont know how to ski on steep red slopes, I feel I speed up without control. I dont trust my skis and edges too much.
I think the ski clothing is great.. can someone tell me something about the brand?
Its a Japanese brand called Onyone. Premium level outerwear for sure. Feels as good as it looks IMO
What ski resort is this?
Deer Valley.
Didn't you just upload this video yesterday?
Yep, we did a clearer audio mix v2 as there was feedback that audio wasn’t super clear. Hopefully this one is spot on
What Gloves are this?
Onyone a Japanese Ski brand
Transition phantom move
I thought it was only Jackrabbits that skied like that.
If you are focused on percentages and you aren’t a professional skier, you aren’t enjoying your skiing.
Thanks for the comment. Most of our skiers would use an intensive mode like this 'monitor mode' for a few runs while focussing on their technique, then they'd put it back into their freeskiing. Just like any other sport, the flow state is the best part, Carv helps you train in a powerful way so you can get more of it when the conditions are all time.
I disagree. The focus of skiing should be improvement and progression not enjoyment. Having fun doesn't bring results, data and analytics does.
Studies show time and time again that being able to progress at a sport is what gives the greatest rewards, not just doing the sport the same every day
Exactly!!!
But I think, if you instructor and want be better, and if you ex ski racer it is may be interesting for you.
great skiing MY ASS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣