Spot on. When the Starship comes on line, it Can probably land on the West coast. Thus solve the problems. I do hope to see the Dreamchaser in action. It is so sexy.😅
It’s not built to compete with SpaceX. It’s a complementary launch system to Dragon that provides the US greater capability. We don’t live in a binary. Having multiple launch systems is a really good thing.
They could have flown on SpaceX years ago, but might have paid a first flight premium for a custom faring design. Dream Chaser is in no hurry. SpaceX loves flying competitor's stuff and informally even made the offer.
This video states that the space shuttle was convenient. But it was wildly inconvenient, because the schedule could not be depended on. It was not inexpensive and it fell substantially short of its original specifications. It's possible to shield payloads from excessive g forces on Dragon. I hope that Dream Chaser works well. But at this time, we do not know the cost, we do not know the payload, we do not know the turnaround time, we do not know the safety. These are all wished-for goals.
Shuttle was the cash cow for the legacy corporations. They made more money by making it more costly. They controlled politicians which meant they controlled NASA. And they used their influence to stonewall progress towards any competition to their cash cow. The contract NASA signed for about 10 more SLS rockets made it obvious who was in control of NASA
The Shuttle was a failed program on all fronts. Cost was higher than expendables, launch cadence was low, could not reach GEO stationary orbit, not allowed to launch military payloads after Challenger, and it killed 14 souls. Should have been canceled in 1986. The only reason it wasn't was that it was a jobs program for Congress. A sad chapter in Space history.
@@alphatech4966 the shuttle program was supposed to be able to launch weekly to keep up with the amount of cargo to LEO that SaturnV program was capable of with a launch or two a year. They never accomplished that, but Spacex has done OVER a launch a week this year of Falcon9 alone. I just do not see Dream Chaser impacting SpaceX, but maybe fitting a niche market of people who need a lift to next gen space stations that will likely be built from material taken to orbit by SpaceX
Nothing can be more efficient then the raptor v3 the only thing that can beat it is a space craft that doesn’t take regular fuel and that would run off of… who knows
The real reason NASA would commit to Dream Chaser is because NASA does not want to be dependent on one company … and Starliner is an abject failure (and the others competing against SpaceX are pretty much on financial roadmap to doom).
That is true. But NASA already rejected SN's Dreamchaser for the initial manned missions of course. But I think NASA can eventually give it some missions when SN proves it can be a reliable vehicle.
Any competition is good for the overall space industry. Especially if it offers options to retrieve crew from space in an emergency. After seeing the different programs through time from around the world, SpaceX is just a remarkable feat! I only hope its' success continues in the future!
Until it actually flies and returns successfully, the jury is still out. Meanwhile SpaceX continues to gain flight experience. As to the next Starship launch and its outcome, time will tell, but the tale will be told in the next months before Dream Chasers first flight.
Starliner was recently found to have flammable electric tape used throughout assembly. It must be entirely disassembled. Remove the flammable material and reassembled. Guess Boeing forgot about Apollo I.
Good video. Yes, Dream Chaser has great potential. However, it should be noted that while the *uncrewed* version of Dream Chaser should fly later this year or early in 2024, the *crewed* version is still years away. Therefore, the SpaceX Crew Dragon will be the primary and perhaps the only US spacecraft capable of bringing people into orbit and to the ISS for the next several years. The other Commercial Crew vehicle, the Boeing Starliner, is mired in problems and delays.
As far as I know it was NASA that made SpaceX change Dragon Capsule from having propulsive landing to parachute landing to meet safety standards/regulations for carrying humans
Mhhhhmm, theoretical performance!! Extremely important words. Dream Chaser seems to be just that a dream. Not gonna hold my breath on that endeavor. Oh, it will likely fly, but I have my doubts about its ability to perform as intended. Of course, time will tell. These legacy providers have lost the point. They're stuck in their ways and struggle to innovate their way to the future anymore. SpaceX is playing chess and the competition is playing chutes and ladders or something. They simply can't keep up.
Yeah while it can theoretically land on “any” runway an airliner can I don’t see it ever being approved for going into congested airspace. So actually it can land anywhere in the middle of nowhere.
So who’s the new person at Alpha Tech who hates SpaceX for some reason? You’re not even internally consistent with these hit pieces. Don’t get me wrong - I’m a fan of Dream Chaser. But early in the video, you mention how much cargo Dream Chaser can bring back. Later in the video, you say the amount is “unspecified”. I’m really hoping that Dream Chaser succeeds - but you talk about human-rated Dream Chasers that not only do not exist but haven’t been contracted by NASA or anyone else. You just had another anti-SpaceX hit piece a few days ago where the headline was incredibly inflammatory and bore little resemblance to the content of the video. That was Strike One - and this appears to be Strike Two. Hmmmm.. It took until 8 1/2 minutes into a 10 minute video to mention the drawbacks.. Like the effects that depending on Jeff Bezos have had on Sierra Nevada’s plans.
Yeah, right!! Try landing that Dream Chaser at O’Hare, Atlanta, JFK, BWI, Dulles, Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston, LAX, or ANY busy airport!! Ain’t gonna happen!!! That Dream Chaser only has ONE chance at a safe landing. It can’t take off and try again!!
The shuttle changed and lost more than you know. The older technology it used stressed the industry back then to the max and despite the successes, its crashes that resulted in loss of life spelled the end of this effort. It pushed the technology to a course that can only improve to the point where we can expect space access to use much of the infrastructure used by the aviation industry used today.
The shuttle’s problems go back to the Nixon administration just after Apollo 11 when NASA was denied the funding to develop the fully reusable Shuttle they wanted. The cheaper to develop but more expensive to operate STS was the result.
I can assure you that, while NASA has high hopes for Dreamchaser, they don’t consider it “better than Dragon,” since it isn’t even flying yet. Dreamchaser isn’t going anywhere until Vulcan is certified, meaning mid-2024 at the earliest.
There are big holes in these projection. All the biggest of them have to do with economy. Then we have availability. And that is also connected with my big question mark of all this: "Sensitive cargo"? What about the g-forces during re-entry? The final landing on the Earth's surface is minute problem, which could be easily fixed if it was even worthwhile to do it. Reducing re-entry g-forces by making a more aerodynamic re-entry (which the space-shuttle frankly didn't) would result in humongous amounts of skin friction heat (and I don't really see that the Dream Chaser is designed for this either).
The title is click bait. Video contains nothing related to its title. Dream Chaser is still just another dream still being chased. In contrast, Dragon is likely nearing the end of its life as Starship is intended to be vastly cheaper.
That's cool, but Dream Chaser does not fly yet, and its Vulcan ride is having problems. The Cargo version is now actually not scheduled for its first launch until 2024, and it could take many years before the crewed version will be flying. Dragon works now, and Starship is likely to have a second test flight later this summer. NASA is spending a lot of money to encourage a second and third company to develop the capability to fly humans to space, which is an important safety precaution, but there is only one company that can do so currently and in the near future.
NASA realized Dream Chaser is BETTER than SpaceX Dragon, okay for some things. Right now it is still not human capable. It also doesn't have its own way to orbit but must rely on another rocket system to reach orbit. Space X is, however, planning to make Starship able to land at the same place they can take off from and be reusable shortly thereafter. Starship will also have an amazing amount of cargo space.
I'm a huge fan of SpaceX and Dragon. I'm also a fan of DreamChaser. We need more "and" when it comes to getting cargo and people into orbit...and it looks like Boeing and Starliner isn't going to be able to make it.
Well...another excellent report. However, I will be skeptical about Dream Chaser until it actually proves itself in flight. From day one it has always offered more than it delivered and there were some very good reasons why it was not initially approved as a competitor along with SX. It will still be several years yet before a manned version is finally approved if at all. By that time the world of space flight will have significantly changed. It is still in the hands of SX until Vulcan returns and possibly Blue Origin. Ten error free supply flights to the declining space station would help. That means at least twenty BE-4 engines plus more engines for testing.
@@alphatech4966 - I would say Starship is exceedingly far ahead in technology and mass to space but may be comparable in terms of when they are both certified for manned flight. It all depends on this next test flight. If it flies successfully and the launch pad proves to be worthy of future flights, then SX will move along pretty quickly. I think Dream Chaser is a necessary component for future space station survivability so they will have an important role to play. As to whether Blue Origin and the BE-4 is the company to get it there and at a reasonable cost, I'm still skeptical about that.
The basic design was not a new thing. They saw the possibility for the system from a design used for testing by NASA, as I understand it. Back then I could not understand why it was not used, as it is referred to in this video. Use it as an emergency safe and fast way to get medical help for anyone in space needed the service.
Dragon has never splashed down in the Pacific. It is mostly in the Gulf of Mexico and a few times off the coast of Florida in the Atlantic. Always a short helicopter ride to land.
All of the Commercial Resupply Dragons (Dragon 1) splashed down off the coast of California. Crew Dragon and CRS2 Dragons (based on the Crew Dragon) are the ones landing either in the Gulf or the Atlantic off of Florida.
Why all the comments about how long to get experiments back to the lab after landing? Before landing, experiments were on the Shuttle for many hours while un-docking, the lengthy wait for the deorbit burn, high g's during re-entry, landing, delays while detoxing the Shuttle hypergolics from the RCS, then finally taking the experiments off. I bet if you compared undocking-to-lab for Shuttle and Dragon the difference in total time isn't that much and there is a pretty good jolt when landing the Shuttle, especially with the back tires.
Okay I actually liked this video. And I really like the Dream Chaser all they need to do is put it on top of a rocket that can make it to low earth orbit say maybe a Falcon 9... just sayin
By the time this ship becomes a reliable vehicle, I estimate that Starship will be too. And might be a lot cheaper and a whole lot more payload. I dunno how Sierra Nevada is going to convince the commercial sector to pick them over Starship with regards to cost-per-kg value. Although I suspect NASA will keep SN alive to keep more commercial players around...
Don’t you have to transport the dream chaser back to launch site if it lands somewhere else??? Sounds super expensive. Starship will make dream chaser cost prohibitive.
Man! I was like: “Hey! Alpha Tech is actually doing a positive video on another space system instead of tearing it down to blow space-x again!” Then near the end they couldn’t help it and called Sierra Systems “Losers”.
@@garysnewjob I love Alpha Tech, I just wished they took more care to not make EVERY video about SpaceX and that they didn’t tear down other launch systems to make SPX look better. More info, less opinion I guess. 👍🏼
Why didn't SNC contract SpaceX for the launch? From the limited data I can find, the Falcon 9 has the capability to get the Dreamchaser to LOE. If not the Falcon 9 then the Falcon Heavy would absolutely have the capability. The Falcon 9 and Heavy have been proven systems for a long time and the Vulcan has had delays from its inception. Also, from a reusability standpoint, A Falcon Dreamchaser combo is a huge leap forward.
Dreamchaser may be better for some things, Dragon for others.... I can see them easily working in parallel. Starship, on the other hand, is entirely another ball game. It's made for a different purpose, not even relevant for Station use.
Sierra Nevada could have hardly done worse than Boeing did (and continues to do) with the CST-100 Starliner. One thing's for certain, SN would have been hopefully ready to demonstrate the ability to be "launch vehicle neutral" as they claimed some time ago. I wonder what it would take for SN to say "We're flying mission (x) on Falcon {9|Heavy}".
I don't know where you got your information on the Shuttle, but a bigger crock of nonsense I have seldom seen. The Shuttle was ALWAYS "too complex and expensive". It was a failure, never even remotely approaching any of its launch frequency, cost-per-mission, or cost per pound to orbit goals. For less than the cost of a Shuttle repair mission to the Hubble space telescope, an advanced, much more capable Hubble could have bee orbited by an expendable booster. VASTLY more could have been accomplished, sooner and at lower cost by simply continuing Saturn V production, let alone producing an advanced Saturn V then in development Shuttle was such a disaster for the US space program, in that its cost overruns shutdown other, better programs for decades.
ULA SLS hasn't been designed to fly for a very long time now. So many groups making the various different parts without proper higher up oversight and parts being put together wrong... at this point they realize it's best to simply keep this lemon of a launch system in delay purgatory rather than risk a true disaster on their books.. possibly hoping for the senator from alabama and the others so devoted to them to think that we have come too far to stop now.. who knows for sure? One thing I know, they have no intention at this moment to fly the SLS and want delays as much as possible. Nobody's show the balls to cut em. Why now? I wish Dream chaser and spacex put em out of the market for good after this, though that's unlikely. The industrial complex and its kickbacks are strong.
It will be better than Dragon IF and only IF they can get it into space fro the 3 test. Dream Chaser deepens on the failing UAL system not universal launch system. That is the issue with NASA, They need to make everything comparable with all systems. Dream Chaser will need to be in mass for public space use to kill dragon with a launch system . Dream Chaser needs to be longer 10 crew or 12 tons i/2 of shuttle .
Well, let's see. 'Who' in NASA says Dream Chaser is "better" than Spacex Dragon? Dream Chaser certainly looks 'promising', but it hasn't been built yet, hasn't been tested yet, hasn't flown yet, not certified for astronaut travel, etc, etc. Hope it can do these things soon. Until then, it remains a Dream.
You forgot the BE-4 engine that just exploded on the test stand and that is the engine on the ULA Vulcan first stage! So, ULA has that to deal with as well as the upper stage explosion. Space X doesn't have explosions, they had RUD's, Rapid Unexpected Disassembly! LOL
Eventually having a little plane type of shuttle would be great. Space-X should built one that can go on the Starship. The Dragon is a different craft with a different purpose.
I watched an interview with Elon and the interviewer ask him his thoughts on NASA's Dream Chaser and Blue Origins New Glenn. Elon's response was right on as usual. Not having duplicate nonredundant programs for an endeavor the magnitude of colonizing space is stupid.
The dragon only lands by parachute in the ocean because NASA insisted. It can land, on point, propulsively. It is designed to do so and has been tested. NASA, however, demanded that capability be reserved for emergencies. NASA prefers landings by parachute in the ocean because it's better known and therefore considered safer.
How can it be better, it’s never flown before. This old man needs to retire, and give some young blood run NASA. SpaceX has young blood and the best engineers.‼️‼️‼️‼️ No one will ever bet SpaceX StarShip 🌟🌟🌟🌟. Had better find a rocket to left it off
NASA already rejected this because though it was a bit cheaper than Starliner, it was still a lot more expensive than Dragon 2, and more complicated. If NASA wanted a spacecraft that can land on a runway, they would have gone with this instead of Starliner. If only Sierra Nevada picked Falcon 9 to carry Dream Chaser to fly it up in space, maybe they had a chance over Starliner,
If Vulcan is unable to launch timely, couldn't SpaceX step in and launch Dream Chaser. I realize the adaptation of the booster to the Chaser would have a cost. Having the ability of multiple launch boosters sending Chaser to orbit would be a boon to both companies. Possibly even beneficial in lower cost.
Reliable until they blow up. Most folks don't know how many missions came within a knats breath of a Challenger type disaster. .There were a lot. There was the problems with tiles , remember Columbia? Problems with solid rocket motor nozzle burn through just seconds from destruction. Other issues with the o ring seals that were scorched and burnt on many flights. No escape method during launch for anyone aboard if a problem appeared. The first flight of Columbia STS 1 had ejection seats for the two aboard. These were removed on all future flights to increase payload at the expense of the astronauts safety aboard. Must have been a nail biter for the flight crew during the first 3 minues of flight. No way off this rig if things goes sideways.
While I encourage competition this video didn't succeed in convincing me that the Dream Chaser offered anything that a variant of a Dragon module couldn't accomplish. Add to that the speed at which SpaceX innovates and the fact the Dream Chaser is hopelessly dependent on a 3rd party launch partner and this puts their vehicle at a development timeline disadvantage, In the final analysis the the commercial space industry is going to be defined by maximizing service levels and minimizing cost. SpaceX is exceedingly well positioned and is moving forward faster the any of the competition as near as I can tell.
NASA has been seeking a cheaper way to fly into space. SpaceX achieved that. My bet is SpaceX could develope a version of Dream Chaser at a lower cost than the one now under development. If Elon can develop an electric powered space vehicle he would have a game changer.
Better for Dream Chaser to be launched on a Dragon. At least it's reliable. Starship will get to orbit before Dream Chaser. That is the future, not a small Shuttle. IMHO.
Dream Chaser makes much more sense for atmospheric landings such as Earth. The belly flop of Star Ship is Space X attempt to close that gap. Dream Chaser is a better solution for earth missions.
Sierra Space's Dream Chaser sure has a good look, with lots of promise - but of course neede successful test flights before can fly Astronauts. How many are they actually planning to build?
20 years in development and still hasnt flown. And tied to the ULA Vulcan which is also plagued by delays. I don't think SpaceX need to worry yet...
Yeah, I think this channel is milking old info for everything it can, then putting out click bait titles just to get traffic. kind of sad.
Spot on. When the Starship comes on line, it Can probably land on the West coast. Thus solve the problems. I do hope to see the Dreamchaser in action. It is so sexy.😅
Eff NASA such an incompetent organization. With all the resources they have had you'd think we'd be colonizing Alpha Centauri by now.
It’s not built to compete with SpaceX. It’s a complementary launch system to Dragon that provides the US greater capability. We don’t live in a binary. Having multiple launch systems is a really good thing.
They could have flown on SpaceX years ago, but might have paid a first flight premium for a custom faring design. Dream Chaser is in no hurry. SpaceX loves flying competitor's stuff and informally even made the offer.
This video states that the space shuttle was convenient. But it was wildly inconvenient, because the schedule could not be depended on. It was not inexpensive and it fell substantially short of its original specifications.
It's possible to shield payloads from excessive g forces on Dragon.
I hope that Dream Chaser works well. But at this time, we do not know the cost, we do not know the payload, we do not know the turnaround time, we do not know the safety. These are all wished-for goals.
Yeah. Only time can say this
Shuttle was the cash cow for the legacy corporations. They made more money by making it more costly. They controlled politicians which meant they controlled NASA. And they used their influence to stonewall progress towards any competition to their cash cow.
The contract NASA signed for about 10 more SLS rockets made it obvious who was in control of NASA
The Shuttle was a failed program on all fronts. Cost was higher than expendables, launch cadence was low, could not reach GEO stationary orbit, not allowed to launch military payloads after Challenger, and it killed 14 souls. Should have been canceled in 1986. The only reason it wasn't was that it was a jobs program for Congress. A sad chapter in Space history.
Absolutely on point, mriguy and, dionysus.
@@alphatech4966 the shuttle program was supposed to be able to launch weekly to keep up with the amount of cargo to LEO that SaturnV program was capable of with a launch or two a year. They never accomplished that, but Spacex has done OVER a launch a week this year of Falcon9 alone. I just do not see Dream Chaser impacting SpaceX, but maybe fitting a niche market of people who need a lift to next gen space stations that will likely be built from material taken to orbit by SpaceX
It’s crazy how far spaceX has come though
100%
Nothing can be more efficient then the raptor v3 the only thing that can beat it is a space craft that doesn’t take regular fuel and that would run off of… who knows
Yup in less than a decade they've got a defacto monopoly in the US launch market!
The real reason NASA would commit to Dream Chaser is because NASA does not want to be dependent on one company … and Starliner is an abject failure (and the others competing against SpaceX are pretty much on financial roadmap to doom).
I’m happy to have a versatile alternative to megalomaniac-run Space-x!
they should probably collaborate then, huh?
That is true. But NASA already rejected SN's Dreamchaser for the initial manned missions of course. But I think NASA can eventually give it some missions when SN proves it can be a reliable vehicle.
@@The_Crazy_Monkey75 Small missions. It's never going to be fit for anything big.
Looking forward to Dream Chaser's launch, Sierra's been working on it for a long time so hoping the first flight is a success!👍👍
Not holdin' your breath, are ya?
Until they can launch Dream Chaser without a fairing, I will always question the practicality of Dream Chaser.
The only rocket that could do that would be spacex
The cargo variant uses a fairing so it can be used by various launchers. Apparently the plan is to not use fairings for the human-rated craft.
Any competition is good for the overall space industry. Especially if it offers options to retrieve crew from space in an emergency. After seeing the different programs through time from around the world, SpaceX is just a remarkable feat! I only hope its' success continues in the future!
NASA is the reason space X don't land dragon on the ground . They were going to do this. NASA said no.
Until it actually flies and returns successfully, the jury is still out. Meanwhile SpaceX continues to gain flight experience. As to the next Starship launch and its outcome, time will tell, but the tale will be told in the next months before Dream Chasers first flight.
Starliner was recently found to have flammable electric tape used throughout assembly. It must be entirely disassembled. Remove the flammable material and reassembled. Guess Boeing forgot about Apollo I.
Damn, is that true!? That’s shocking!
It doesn't surprise me, Boeing is milking the system. SpaceX will ultimately win the bigger contracts.
Good video. Yes, Dream Chaser has great potential. However, it should be noted that while the *uncrewed* version of Dream Chaser should fly later this year or early in 2024, the *crewed* version is still years away. Therefore, the SpaceX Crew Dragon will be the primary and perhaps the only US spacecraft capable of bringing people into orbit and to the ISS for the next several years. The other Commercial Crew vehicle, the Boeing Starliner, is mired in problems and delays.
Yeah. All this only happen when it can fly
As far as I know it was NASA that made SpaceX change Dragon Capsule from having propulsive landing to parachute landing to meet safety standards/regulations for carrying humans
Mhhhhmm, theoretical performance!! Extremely important words. Dream Chaser seems to be just that a dream. Not gonna hold my breath on that endeavor. Oh, it will likely fly, but I have my doubts about its ability to perform as intended. Of course, time will tell. These legacy providers have lost the point. They're stuck in their ways and struggle to innovate their way to the future anymore. SpaceX is playing chess and the competition is playing chutes and ladders or something. They simply can't keep up.
Exactly. We hope that dreamchaser can be a person in this city
It’s built and ready to go!
@@kevinb3812 problem is, it's got no ride! Dream Chaser is ready to go, maybe. The rocket it's supposed to get to space on is still delayed.
Yeah while it can theoretically land on “any” runway an airliner can I don’t see it ever being approved for going into congested airspace. So actually it can land anywhere in the middle of nowhere.
So who’s the new person at Alpha Tech who hates SpaceX for some reason? You’re not even internally consistent with these hit pieces. Don’t get me wrong - I’m a fan of Dream Chaser. But early in the video, you mention how much cargo Dream Chaser can bring back. Later in the video, you say the amount is “unspecified”. I’m really hoping that Dream Chaser succeeds - but you talk about human-rated Dream Chasers that not only do not exist but haven’t been contracted by NASA or anyone else.
You just had another anti-SpaceX hit piece a few days ago where the headline was incredibly inflammatory and bore little resemblance to the content of the video. That was Strike One - and this appears to be Strike Two.
Hmmmm.. It took until 8 1/2 minutes into a 10 minute video to mention the drawbacks.. Like the effects that depending on Jeff Bezos have had on Sierra Nevada’s plans.
I noted this, thanks
What crap is this? This vehicle hasn't even been tested yet so where does this realisation come from?
Yeah, right!! Try landing that Dream Chaser at O’Hare, Atlanta, JFK, BWI, Dulles, Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston, LAX, or ANY busy airport!! Ain’t gonna happen!!! That Dream Chaser only has ONE chance at a safe landing. It can’t take off and try again!!
Dream chaser depends on another launch Provider meanwhile SpaceX is a 1 Stop Shop and didn't Depend on BO.
Even Starship? I cant stop laughing.
The shuttle changed and lost more than you know. The older technology it used stressed the industry back then to the max and despite the successes, its crashes that resulted in loss of life spelled the end of this effort. It pushed the technology to a course that can only improve to the point where we can expect space access to use much of the infrastructure used by the aviation industry used today.
The shuttle’s problems go back to the Nixon administration just after Apollo 11 when NASA was denied the funding to develop the fully reusable Shuttle they wanted. The cheaper to develop but more expensive to operate STS was the result.
9:30 Ooops... SpaceX can drop Dragon wherever it wants (in water)... Many returns have been just off Florida's coast -
SpaceX, Accomplished More in Far Less Time Than NASA Ever Has. Ever!!!
Apparently you weren’t paying attention to the 1960’s.
How can it be better if it has never flown?
That is what I said at the end of this video
I can assure you that, while NASA has high hopes for Dreamchaser, they don’t consider it “better than Dragon,” since it isn’t even flying yet.
Dreamchaser isn’t going anywhere until Vulcan is certified, meaning mid-2024 at the earliest.
There are big holes in these projection. All the biggest of them have to do with economy. Then we have availability. And that is also connected with my big question mark of all this: "Sensitive cargo"? What about the g-forces during re-entry? The final landing on the Earth's surface is minute problem, which could be easily fixed if it was even worthwhile to do it. Reducing re-entry g-forces by making a more aerodynamic re-entry (which the space-shuttle frankly didn't) would result in humongous amounts of skin friction heat (and I don't really see that the Dream Chaser is designed for this either).
The title is click bait. Video contains nothing related to its title. Dream Chaser is still just another dream still being chased. In contrast, Dragon is likely nearing the end of its life as Starship is intended to be vastly cheaper.
That's cool, but Dream Chaser does not fly yet, and its Vulcan ride is having problems. The Cargo version is now actually not scheduled for its first launch until 2024, and it could take many years before the crewed version will be flying. Dragon works now, and Starship is likely to have a second test flight later this summer. NASA is spending a lot of money to encourage a second and third company to develop the capability to fly humans to space, which is an important safety precaution, but there is only one company that can do so currently and in the near future.
NASA realized Dream Chaser is BETTER than SpaceX Dragon, okay for some things. Right now it is still not human capable. It also doesn't have its own way to orbit but must rely on another rocket system to reach orbit. Space X is, however, planning to make Starship able to land at the same place they can take off from and be reusable shortly thereafter. Starship will also have an amazing amount of cargo space.
I'm a huge fan of SpaceX and Dragon. I'm also a fan of DreamChaser. We need more "and" when it comes to getting cargo and people into orbit...and it looks like Boeing and Starliner isn't going to be able to make it.
Well...another excellent report. However, I will be skeptical about Dream Chaser until it actually proves itself in flight. From day one it has always offered more than it delivered and there were some very good reasons why it was not initially approved as a competitor along with SX. It will still be several years yet before a manned version is finally approved if at all. By that time the world of space flight will have significantly changed. It is still in the hands of SX until Vulcan returns and possibly Blue Origin. Ten error free supply flights to the declining space station would help. That means at least twenty BE-4 engines plus more engines for testing.
Yeah. The same like Starship?
@@alphatech4966 - I would say Starship is exceedingly far ahead in technology and mass to space but may be comparable in terms of when they are both certified for manned flight. It all depends on this next test flight. If it flies successfully and the launch pad proves to be worthy of future flights, then SX will move along pretty quickly. I think Dream Chaser is a necessary component for future space station survivability so they will have an important role to play. As to whether Blue Origin and the BE-4 is the company to get it there and at a reasonable cost, I'm still skeptical about that.
The basic design was not a new thing. They saw the possibility for the system from a design used for testing by NASA, as I understand it. Back then I could not understand why it was not used, as it is referred to in this video. Use it as an emergency safe and fast way to get medical help for anyone in space needed the service.
Dream Chaser cant even come close to what starship can carry
Dragon has never splashed down in the Pacific. It is mostly in the Gulf of Mexico and a few times off the coast of Florida in the Atlantic. Always a short helicopter ride to land.
All of the Commercial Resupply Dragons (Dragon 1) splashed down off the coast of California.
Crew Dragon and CRS2 Dragons (based on the Crew Dragon) are the ones landing either in the Gulf or the Atlantic off of Florida.
@@cherokee43v6 I was referring to the manned missions
Why all the comments about how long to get experiments back to the lab after landing? Before landing, experiments were on the Shuttle for many hours while un-docking, the lengthy wait for the deorbit burn, high g's during re-entry, landing, delays while detoxing the Shuttle hypergolics from the RCS, then finally taking the experiments off. I bet if you compared undocking-to-lab for Shuttle and Dragon the difference in total time isn't that much and there is a pretty good jolt when landing the Shuttle, especially with the back tires.
Landing humans with propulsion is scary, I mean imagine urself as Musk, it's stressful as hell to land astros like that
On paper everything looks fantastic.
SpaceX is the future, no matter how “good” the competition is.
Uhhh... Only problem with this is that Starship will be capable of docking with the ISS as well, and will be able to carry far more cargo...
Orders of magnitude more complex vehicle than required for splashdown.
Is a spaceplane the simplest way to soft return things from LEO?
Dream Chaser is just that a dream
Dream can be come true?
Okay I actually liked this video. And I really like the Dream Chaser all they need to do is put it on top of a rocket that can make it to low earth orbit say maybe a Falcon 9... just sayin
Somebody should be investigating having spaceX launch the dreamchaser.
F9 could do this better than the other
SNC has always billed Dreamchaser as launch vehicle agnostic. Basically, they say that it is capable of launching on any medium launch vehicle.
If only Spacex would launch Dream Chaser on its cheap, reusable boosters, we'd have the best of both worlds.
+1
By the time this ship becomes a reliable vehicle, I estimate that Starship will be too. And might be a lot cheaper and a whole lot more payload. I dunno how Sierra Nevada is going to convince the commercial sector to pick them over Starship with regards to cost-per-kg value. Although I suspect NASA will keep SN alive to keep more commercial players around...
Don’t you have to transport the dream chaser back to launch site if it lands somewhere else??? Sounds super expensive. Starship will make dream chaser cost prohibitive.
Yeah. This is far from Starship
Well, considering the Dreamchaser should fit inside a C-130... not as expensive as you might think.
NASA was just quiet the whole time. And now they’re showing how much better they are then SpaceX
Umm why does this vid claim the cargo Dragon splashed down in the Pacific Ocean?
dream chaser about time nasa had some good luck
I'm afraid that the BFR will land safely sooner than this...
I’ve always felt inspired by Dream Chaser. It just seems so right!
SpaceX can make a cargo/passenger space plane within six months if they want to. It’s only a question of whether or not it’s practical for now.
It’s never good to rush developments in aerospace.
Man! I was like: “Hey! Alpha Tech is actually doing a positive video on another space system instead of tearing it down to blow space-x again!”
Then near the end they couldn’t help it and called Sierra Systems “Losers”.
I thought the same thing lol
Thanks to both of you for your comments. It's hard to know if a Channel is biased or not. Good objective information is so rare on the Internet.
@@garysnewjob I love Alpha Tech, I just wished they took more care to not make EVERY video about SpaceX and that they didn’t tear down other launch systems to make SPX look better. More info, less opinion I guess. 👍🏼
Main problem with Dream Chase is Vulcan. Just wonder can they change rocket?
Why didn't SNC contract SpaceX for the launch? From the limited data I can find, the Falcon 9 has the capability to get the Dreamchaser to LOE. If not the Falcon 9 then the Falcon Heavy would absolutely have the capability. The Falcon 9 and Heavy have been proven systems for a long time and the Vulcan has had delays from its inception.
Also, from a reusability standpoint, A Falcon Dreamchaser combo is a huge leap forward.
Rapid turnaround? Oh, I see, because ULA is known for rapid turnaround. He says sarcastically.
'Space' & 'plane'. Put them together and you have the right direction for the future...
They could keep these on the station and rotate them out periodically, also adding the capability of an escape system.
If it can not fly on Falcon 9 it can't fly.
Dreamchaser may be better for some things, Dragon for others.... I can see them easily working in parallel. Starship, on the other hand, is entirely another ball game. It's made for a different purpose, not even relevant for Station use.
I do love what SpaceX is doing but I wish that NASA had funded Dream Chaser sooner. Its going to be awesome
Sierra Nevada could have hardly done worse than Boeing did (and continues to do) with the CST-100 Starliner. One thing's for certain, SN would have been hopefully ready to demonstrate the ability to be "launch vehicle neutral" as they claimed some time ago. I wonder what it would take for SN to say "We're flying mission (x) on Falcon {9|Heavy}".
Hmm...total resuability....Dream Chaser and Falcon 9 booster....an exciting possibility!! Make it so Elon; you're the envisionary.
nBoeing owns asa nutz, their
When can I fly the Dream Chaser as a tourist ?
I don't know where you got your information on the Shuttle, but a bigger crock of nonsense I have seldom seen.
The Shuttle was ALWAYS "too complex and expensive". It was a failure, never even remotely approaching any of its launch frequency, cost-per-mission, or cost per pound to orbit goals.
For less than the cost of a Shuttle repair mission to the Hubble space telescope, an advanced, much more capable Hubble could have bee orbited by an expendable booster.
VASTLY more could have been accomplished, sooner and at lower cost by simply continuing Saturn V production, let alone producing an advanced Saturn V then in development
Shuttle was such a disaster for the US space program, in that its cost overruns shutdown other, better programs for decades.
ULA SLS hasn't been designed to fly for a very long time now.
So many groups making the various different parts without proper higher up oversight and parts being put together wrong... at this point they realize it's best to simply keep this lemon of a launch system in delay purgatory rather than risk a true disaster on their books.. possibly hoping for the senator from alabama and the others so devoted to them to think that we have come too far to stop now.. who knows for sure?
One thing I know, they have no intention at this moment to fly the SLS and want delays as much as possible. Nobody's show the balls to cut em. Why now?
I wish Dream chaser and spacex put em out of the market for good after this, though that's unlikely. The industrial complex and its kickbacks are strong.
NASA hasn’t the slightest idea what it’s doing. SpaceX has thrown a monkey wrench into the mix.
2023 and we still don't have a spacecraft like the space shuttle that can enter & return from orbit under it's own power!
It will be better than Dragon IF and only IF they can get it into space fro the 3 test. Dream Chaser deepens on the failing UAL system not universal launch system. That is the issue with NASA, They need to make everything comparable with all systems. Dream Chaser will need to be in mass for public space use to kill dragon with a launch system . Dream Chaser needs to be longer 10 crew or 12 tons i/2 of shuttle .
Dragon 1 could put back cargo from the ISS from 2011
Well, let's see. 'Who' in NASA says Dream Chaser is "better" than Spacex Dragon? Dream Chaser certainly looks 'promising', but it hasn't been built yet, hasn't been tested yet, hasn't flown yet, not certified for astronaut travel, etc, etc. Hope it can do these things soon. Until then, it remains a Dream.
The Dream Chaser does exist. It has been built…
Actually, also Dream Chaser has minor issues like the other prototypes
You forgot the BE-4 engine that just exploded on the test stand and that is the engine on the ULA Vulcan first stage! So, ULA has that to deal with as well as the upper stage explosion. Space X doesn't have explosions, they had RUD's, Rapid Unexpected Disassembly! LOL
Eventually having a little plane type of shuttle would be great. Space-X should built one that can go on the Starship. The Dragon is a different craft with a different purpose.
I watched an interview with Elon and the interviewer ask him his thoughts on NASA's Dream Chaser and Blue Origins New Glenn. Elon's response was right on as usual. Not having duplicate nonredundant programs for an endeavor the magnitude of colonizing space is stupid.
The dragon only lands by parachute in the ocean because NASA insisted. It can land, on point, propulsively. It is designed to do so and has been tested. NASA, however, demanded that capability be reserved for emergencies. NASA prefers landings by parachute in the ocean because it's better known and therefore considered safer.
Why not just modify the Boeing X-37 for manned flight? It lands on a runway and has been flying for years.
"astronauts" would be cargo in life support pods.
DC sure does look good.
the cost will be 10 times more than space X the starship could load 20 dream chasers as cargo
How can it be better, it’s never flown before. This old man needs to retire, and give some young blood run NASA. SpaceX has young blood and the best engineers.‼️‼️‼️‼️
No one will ever bet SpaceX StarShip 🌟🌟🌟🌟. Had better find a rocket to left it off
We explained this in the end of this video
NASA already rejected this because though it was a bit cheaper than Starliner, it was still a lot more expensive than Dragon 2, and more complicated. If NASA wanted a spacecraft that can land on a runway, they would have gone with this instead of Starliner. If only Sierra Nevada picked Falcon 9 to carry Dream Chaser to fly it up in space, maybe they had a chance over Starliner,
If Vulcan is unable to launch timely, couldn't SpaceX step in and launch Dream Chaser. I realize the adaptation of the booster to the Chaser would have a cost. Having the ability of multiple launch boosters sending Chaser to orbit would be a boon to both companies. Possibly even beneficial in lower cost.
When DreamChaser finally does fly, the Chinese are going to cry, saying: "Just when we fly our version of their X37b, they come out with THIS thing!"😢
Reliable until they blow up. Most folks don't know how many missions came within a knats breath of a Challenger type disaster. .There were a lot. There was the problems with tiles , remember Columbia? Problems with solid rocket motor nozzle burn through just seconds from destruction. Other issues with the o ring seals that were scorched and burnt on many flights. No escape method during launch for anyone aboard if a problem appeared. The first flight of Columbia STS 1 had ejection seats for the two aboard. These were removed on all future flights to increase payload at the expense of the astronauts safety aboard. Must have been a nail biter for the flight crew during the first 3 minues of flight. No way off this rig if things goes sideways.
Realy I like this video its so interestyng
While I encourage competition this video didn't succeed in convincing me that the Dream Chaser offered anything that a variant of a Dragon module couldn't accomplish. Add to that the speed at which SpaceX innovates and the fact the Dream Chaser is hopelessly dependent on a 3rd party launch partner and this puts their vehicle at a development timeline disadvantage, In the final analysis the the commercial space industry is going to be defined by maximizing service levels and minimizing cost. SpaceX is exceedingly well positioned and is moving forward faster the any of the competition as near as I can tell.
NASA has been seeking a cheaper way to fly into space. SpaceX achieved that. My bet is SpaceX could develope a version of Dream Chaser at a lower cost than the one now under development. If Elon can develop an electric powered space vehicle he would have a game changer.
Better for Dream Chaser to be launched on a Dragon. At least it's reliable. Starship will get to orbit before Dream Chaser. That is the future, not a small Shuttle. IMHO.
So what would prevent SpaceX from creating a similar solution to put on the top of the stack instead of the starship
patent law.
Dreamchaser is the way to go, but they are SO SLOW at everything. Why could SpaceX not have a similar LOGICAL solution.
A man-rated Dream Chaser spacecraft and a man-rated launch vehicle to carry it are probably still years away.
/Get back to us...
Dream Chaser makes much more sense for atmospheric landings such as Earth. The belly flop of Star Ship is Space X attempt to close that gap. Dream Chaser is a better solution for earth missions.
Starship will have a few decks of space that can be configured for the customers needs.
Still chasing that dream, are ya? LOL
This video shows the lag NASA Has ALWAYS HAD since it's beginning. Dream On This 💩 NASA
Sierra Space. Not Sierra Nevada corporation. They split the space business several years ago.
Why can't a SpaceX rocket work for Dream Chaser. They are already proven. If something isn't working out, like Vulcan, make a change.
Good idea my friend
Sierra Space's Dream Chaser sure has a good look, with lots of promise - but of course neede successful test flights before can fly Astronauts. How many are they actually planning to build?
And let's remember Spacex Crew-7 is scheduled to launch August'23 ! That's the 7th crewed flight, vs 'The Dream' crewed flight several years away ! 😅
Dream Chaser should just team up with SpaceX... Win.. Win..
WELL . .That is EXACTLY how I would write an article
About a Spaceship 🚀 that I made myself.. No 2nd or 3rd POV here…!!! 🤔🤷🏻♂️🫣
Is this the same NASA that lies to its Astronauts when they are in danger?
And the tech are so obsolete compared to spacex dragon
Looks great on paper
But paper burns up on re-entry