Mouse Pad Comparison Logitech G640 vs Steelseries Qck vs MP510 Cooler Master vs Zowie GSR SE Divina

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  • Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2024

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  • @fwiedwice7071
    @fwiedwice7071 5 лет назад +38

    I really enjoy the way you make your videos. A lot more "scientific" rather than having the viewer rely on impressions of how it feels. You certainly eliminate most if not all of the ambiguity associated with mice feet and the amount of friction the mouse has with mouse pads. Also kudos for having the guts to take apart the Logitech GPro Wireless. I look forward to more of your videos!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +3

      Thanks, glad you like them. I agree with what you are saying here. I know these tests are still subject to some unknowns, but I was fed up of just hearing impressions with no one providing even some basics facts/science to back them up. I hope now going forward people will be able to make a better-informed decision using these stats.
      With every mouse, teardown comes a lot of knowns. Having to apply the right pressure is one. If you get that wrong, you will break all off the clips lol. I've always wanted to know how things work, granted as a kid I might not have been able to reconstruct them but now I can :-p. I was surprised how light the G Pro is and yet how much there really is to it compared to others.
      I want to really start making my own shells using a 3d printer but atm I just don't have the spare time. If this does free up though I'm going to do this as it will be awesome.

  • @ShaadowOfLight
    @ShaadowOfLight 5 лет назад +26

    Dude you are a legend! Very good content, would love to see this type of video in the future with different pads as well (for example black gs-r, swift rx, dm pad l, glorious helios, maybe some artisan if you could get these)

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +2

      Hi, glad you liked it. I'll do some more using some of the pads you have mentioned as well as some hard editions. 👍

  • @widster9639
    @widster9639 5 лет назад +3

    Awesome video, don't see much of these types of vids nowadays. Glad you're bringing light into such topics and versus videos

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks, Glad you liked it.Hopefully it help's you decide or see what differences there are in these pads

  • @krenzzie7290
    @krenzzie7290 5 лет назад +23

    Speed: MP510
    Control: QcK

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      👍

    • @danielbrbr
      @danielbrbr 5 лет назад +2

      KrenZZie i saw you under a video from another channel, telling them the MP510 isn't a controlpad. And thats true as you can see in Bob's video. Its actually the fastest.

    • @krenzzie7290
      @krenzzie7290 5 лет назад +1

      @@danielbrbr yeet

    • @Alex-------
      @Alex------- 5 лет назад

      What's nice about the qck is it's control but the static friction feels really low. Still my number one after 15 years

    • @godlyii5013
      @godlyii5013 4 года назад

      Beardedbob and g640?

  • @Rasyad95
    @Rasyad95 5 лет назад +3

    Nice video bob! Glad you took you community suggestion and made a video about it. I have more suggestion for you though, maybe the gram should be written as "g" not "G" as they stand for different meaning (g for grams, G for gravity). Also I notice the divina forward test is still for MP510 :D Glad to see this quantification test for the measurement anyway, thanks again!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +2

      Yeah, I hope this is what people want. This is what I would want to know when deciding which pad to get. It's all good hearing people say it's fast or it'sslow but it's hard to see it. I hope videos like this to help you decide which will work for them.
      Yep good point on the GGGG to ggggg I'll start doing that from now on.
      The MP510 is a typo 😕 I wish YT would let you alter updated video's. At the moment you have to leave it, delete it or just upload from fresh. I've a few video's I would like to refine but I can't.

  • @sarrafkuwait
    @sarrafkuwait 5 лет назад +3

    Thanks alot bro keep it up .. one more thing is mouse pad accuracy a myth cause i saw couple of videos of youtubers saying some pads have higher accuracy than others these kind of stuff

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +2

      Until someone can prove it other than just saying it is I would say its unproven :-p. If we know of a way to test this I can show/test it?

    • @sarrafkuwait
      @sarrafkuwait 5 лет назад +1

      @@Beardedbob thank u for the reply my respect subscribed and will support u always

  • @pranav3426
    @pranav3426 5 лет назад +3

    I was wondering why no one thought of doing this comparison till now Thanks alot Sir you helped me pick my next mousepad

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +2

      I agree and why I did it. I think though I should have brought more pads to the show :-p. What Pad did you pick btw and what mouse do you have?

    • @pranav3426
      @pranav3426 5 лет назад +1

      I have qck heavy right now but the edges are peeling off so I'm going to buy the Divina mousepad I currently have g403 with hotline skates but gonna upgrade to Ec2b when it's available in my country

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад

      Nice. let me know what you think of the Divina. It for me is a little thick

  • @mf1251
    @mf1251 5 лет назад +3

    Good video, I like how you back up the reviews wuith metrics. Good Job!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      It's all about t he metrics and facts otherwise its just someones opinion without any evidence to back it up.

  • @ryanerickson764
    @ryanerickson764 5 лет назад +7

    Great comparison! Qck seems the most uniform between forward and side pressure, interesting. Would be awesome if you could test or give your impressions on initial friction, I notice my mp510 has more initial friction than my qck but yet has a faster glide once the mouse is actually going

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +7

      This is a good point. I did find a way to test this so I could do another video showing this if people want to see this. I agree the MP510 was smooth once you were going.

    • @Topgunindia
      @Topgunindia 3 года назад

      @@Beardedbob can you add the static friction and rsw tests for qck? Really need to see those numbers so I can figure out where other pads stand relative to the qck cuz ive used qcks for the past 14 years
      Also where can i buy a force gauge and the angle measurement device that you use?

  • @kenji4522
    @kenji4522 5 лет назад +5

    Thank you for making this video 🙏🙏 it's sad that there is no gsr (Black) and glorious pad

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Glad you liked it and forgive me for missing them out 🙄. I will though endeavour to add these to the collection as well as some hard surfaces which will be the next one like this.

  • @seasn5553
    @seasn5553 2 года назад

    nice finally a nonbiased reviewer

  • @brianzhou326
    @brianzhou326 5 лет назад +5

    Thank you so much, this is a lifesaver

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Np Brian Zhou glad I could help 👍

  • @Swiici
    @Swiici 5 лет назад +2

    Hello
    The less number = More friction = Slower , Right ?
    Also this is a very great content, And its Rare on RUclips, Thank you very much for sharing..
    Probably you are the only one who can tell us who is slower than The Black GSR , The overclock community tried to find and sadly failed...

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +8

      No the other way around. The larger the number to more force in Grams it takes to move the mouse, therefore, more friction/force.
      Glad you enjoyed it hope it helps you decide or see the difference.
      Some more pads have arrived and I've ordered some so we shall see if we can get all of them measured using the FK2 as the baseline.

  • @petercruz1993
    @petercruz1993 3 года назад

    I’d love to see this list updated

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  3 года назад

      I was thinking its about time I updated some of them now a few tests have moved on.

  • @oopsnews2685
    @oopsnews2685 5 лет назад +2

    Great vid! Would have been better to have a mechanical arm to have a controlled push but love this sort of tests!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Yeah, The arm would help consistency, but it only registers the max weight used, so that helps with keeping it even. I have to avoid going to close to the edge as this can skew results as well as the cable.
      If I could get a Terminators arm to help, me perform these tests that would be great though.

  • @dlalleman3874
    @dlalleman3874 5 лет назад +3

    I am not sure if the pressure test works that well when you push it with a pin like that. But it does give a good indication

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад

      I could try pulling it, but I would need to work out a way to attach a cord or loop to hook into. I have to ensure that when I start to push, I don't ram the point into the back as this gives a false reading. There is also a difference in when it's moving and the first start.
      Open to some ideas if there are any on how we can improve this test.

    • @codytanksley6673
      @codytanksley6673 5 лет назад

      Beardedbob physicist here, found you from reddit. What you could do is try to calculate the coefficient of friction. This is more math heavy and would require you to create a block at an angle to let the mice slide down, and something to measure the time it takes to go down the ramp.
      This is good for 2 reasons:
      1: you don’t have to worry about air resistance on such a small scale and mice are roughly the same size
      2: should be more accurate than pushing with a pin point
      The only issues with this are figuring out what to do with cords and maintaining proper direction of the mice. If you are interested in this I could help you calculate, but it may be more trouble than it’s worth.
      Edit: I may do this myself if I get more mousepads lol

  • @AndyBaedal
    @AndyBaedal 4 года назад

    Love this comparison man

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      Thanks man glad you liked it

  • @giannisgrs6327
    @giannisgrs6327 5 лет назад +1

    Good content! I believe it would make more sense if you tested both axis as well. Hope to see it in the artisan friction comparison video!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад

      Thanks, glad you are enjoying it. Yes I agree I've started to do this now going forward to show if there are any differences in the texture and friction 👍

    • @giannisgrs6327
      @giannisgrs6327 5 лет назад +1

      That's awesome! Actually saw of some the newer videos but I had commented already.
      So when we should expect the artisan friction/comparison video?
      Will probably pick one pad myself after your video :D

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Np, it's hard to see what videos people have done. I've some playlists which might help if you are looking for specific things.
      Friction test video for the Artisans I'm hoping the end of this week or failing that early next.

  • @adrenalinerush369
    @adrenalinerush369 5 лет назад +1

    Nice vid. Thanks Sir Beardedbob!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад

      Hey thanks glad you liked it 👍

  • @Leonidayt
    @Leonidayt 4 года назад +1

    You hypnotize me with your videos and your knowledge Bob. You ever tested the Coolermaster Swift RX?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад +2

      Thanks glad you liked it... no not yet but its on the big, big list.

    • @Leonidayt
      @Leonidayt 4 года назад

      @@Beardedbob great, I'm very curious to see where it is on your list among the Fastest and control!

  • @egodrunk
    @egodrunk 5 лет назад +1

    wow i am extremely impressed with this review...

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад

      Thanks egodrunk glad you liked it 👍

  • @Cascoh_
    @Cascoh_ 5 лет назад +2

    Ive been doing some research on the best mousepad for me.. I got the QcK and it feels incredibly smoother/faster. Would you say its the fastest on the market? I defintely feel the difference between the QcK and HyperX Fury S.

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Mp510 is the fastest cloth I've tested atm.

  • @krenzzie7290
    @krenzzie7290 5 лет назад +9

    Can you test HyperX Fury S pro speed edition, and is it faster than Coolermaster MP510?

  • @sirsiver
    @sirsiver 3 года назад

    Hello Bob great vid as allways, can i ask your advice, i have a Logitech g640 since 2016 (5 years) and i was looking to buy a Cooler Master MP510, what do you think? It is a good upgrade? I like cloth, i'm a low sense player so i'd like to have good speed but also control for micro adjustments with the mouse. Is the MP510 any good? Thank you very much.

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  3 года назад

      Mp510 is a good pad it's fast but for me the texture is a but rough. You could also look at the mpc450 review here ruclips.net/video/NEQSTVMSk6g/видео.html
      Another I personally like is the Qck plus

    • @sirsiver
      @sirsiver 3 года назад

      @@Beardedbob thank you very much for your help! I'm gonna look for this one too! Bye and stay safe.

  • @Dennis-vd4rx
    @Dennis-vd4rx 4 года назад

    Mouse pads have different resistance in the x and y direction. You only test the y direction, the resistance is usually higher there.

  • @Topgunindia
    @Topgunindia 3 года назад

    Can you add rsw to this video?
    Thats how people normally aim sideways
    The 'normal' measurement in this video going up the pad sideways is rarely ever used
    Was hoping to get data on qck

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  3 года назад

      I need to re do some pads to include the RSW. I'm planning to get around to ensuring I have all the RSW for all pads.

  • @jusuiNen
    @jusuiNen 5 лет назад +2

    It seems like when u test the side friction u test it with y-axis and it might show something totally different than x-axis (see the logo). Or r these pads even on x- and y-axis sensitivity?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Hi,
      It's a fair point and a few others have said this. I now that the X and y of the pads or as I call it NSW, NFW, RSW and RFW

    • @devgagah8086
      @devgagah8086 4 года назад

      yeah, I feel difference when test the side friction of my qck with different axis rotation

  • @metalvideos1961
    @metalvideos1961 4 года назад

    nice video. but i am still not sure. i am between the G640 and the QCK. i play mainly overwatch. any tips on what to use?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад +1

      I like both, my G640 for home and QcK for travelling. They are very similar in speed/feel

    • @BigBaoung
      @BigBaoung 4 года назад +1

      @@Beardedbob the qck has more control ..more precision than g640 i have the large Soft one

  • @nexor7809
    @nexor7809 4 года назад +1

    is the g640 still good after a year? or is it worn out. How does it compare to ss qck

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      Worn out. Takes about 4 to 6 months. Similar to a QcK +

  • @whalebr42
    @whalebr42 3 года назад

    hi, i was looking to buy a mouse pad control to play a CS and was thinking about the steelseries qck heavy but here is the medium, in brazil and then i thought about the g640 which mouse pad would recommend a steelseries qck heavy measured, g640 or other mouse pad
    my sens at CS 400dpi 1.74
    currently in the global

  • @trillex2660
    @trillex2660 3 года назад

    For playing games like csgo and valorant in logitech G203 mouse which mousepad will be better? Logitech g640 or steelseries qck?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  3 года назад

      both similar tbc... my main is the MPC450 and its worth checking out. they have updated the logo so its smaller also ruclips.net/video/NEQSTVMSk6g/видео.html

  • @gurkan6969
    @gurkan6969 2 года назад

    Witch is the fastest between the qck and the g640?

  • @moiaccaunt
    @moiaccaunt 5 лет назад +1

    subscribed !

  • @Juveenyle
    @Juveenyle 5 лет назад

    my gr se is dirty on the side closest to me i cleaned it but it still doesnt feel smooth like it was when i first got it out the box. My question is if i flip the mouse pad upside down and use the cleaner side will the mouse sensor (g pro wireless) read differently and effect my aim?

  • @planet_b1ue
    @planet_b1ue 4 года назад

    Can you make a comparison of these mousepads again, but you rotate them 90 degrees, the G640 has a less friction vertically and more friction(slower) when it's horzontal.

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      I'm planning to review them independently so that should show these measurements.

  • @W4leed.
    @W4leed. 4 года назад

    is G640 Significantly slower vertically than horizontally? that seems like a huge flaw. Should I go for another Mousepad?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад +1

      I'm a fan of the g640 and qck plus. The vertical/horizontal I've not noticed when using it to be a noticable difference.

    • @W4leed.
      @W4leed. 4 года назад

      @@Beardedbob But isnt it a difference in the bad direction?

  • @pawel-yt
    @pawel-yt 5 лет назад +1

    HyperX Fury S Pro? Maybe you tested it?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад

      Hi, Yep its next on the agenda and I'll compare it against the Fury S Speed edition.

  • @josephpalacios5426
    @josephpalacios5426 4 года назад

    is there a way to get the original coating that they put on a gsr se? I find I would love to have it as my main mousepad but I just cant seem to keep it because of that coating wears out so quickly

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      Once the coating is gone its gone. have you tried cleaning it?

    • @josephpalacios5426
      @josephpalacios5426 4 года назад

      @@Beardedbob I have its still like a regular gsr se, it was gone after about 4 months of use and Idk what coating it is so I can just reapply it and get the "out of box" feel to it

  • @danielbrbr
    @danielbrbr 4 года назад

    I thought my MP510 was on the slower side but now that i know i can but the fitting MM710!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      No the MP510 is the fastest cloth i've tested. Its is very textured so i'm not a fan of the surface.

    • @danielbrbr
      @danielbrbr 4 года назад

      @@Beardedbob Hey Bob, i've had a *very bad* skin irritation problem where i couldn't use the mousepad for a long time. I was almost going to return the pad but after a few weeks adapting to it my forearms weren't getting red and burning anymore. Today i have no problem at all with it. :)

  • @NERO-hn9sz
    @NERO-hn9sz 4 года назад

    G640, HyperX Fury or Qck+ ?
    I play fortnite with 400ppp anda 12%, thanks

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      Depends, what do you want speed or control? cloth or hard?

    • @godlyii5013
      @godlyii5013 4 года назад

      Beardedbob if I need control and soft which is best please bro answer before I bought the wrong one

    • @davorbobic1229
      @davorbobic1229 4 года назад

      @@godlyii5013 I havent tryed hyperx and g640, but the most of pro players are using the QCK+ like me, and it is definetely safe buy ill recommend u that one + the price is the best

    • @godlyii5013
      @godlyii5013 4 года назад +1

      DAVORBOBIC here in egypt we don’t have +
      Here we have edge only qck
      Or g640

  • @sarrafkuwait
    @sarrafkuwait 5 лет назад +1

    why did u choose the logitech mousepad over the steelseries

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      I just wanted to try the G640 and it was on sale and I've not swapped. No other reason than that. The Qck is faster and I do like it also.

    • @sarrafkuwait
      @sarrafkuwait 5 лет назад +1

      @@Beardedbob good to know buddy keep up the great content ... wish u the best god bless u ... let us know any better mouse pads then the qck

  • @stevedbs1835
    @stevedbs1835 5 лет назад +1

    You are the best bro

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад

      Thanks, I appreciate it. 👍 I hope you found this useful or interesting?

    • @stevedbs1835
      @stevedbs1835 5 лет назад

      Yes as for all your videos I was able to make a good choice, very good explanations, exellent choice of products, probably the best RUclips channel on this kind of topic..

  • @onehitman4084
    @onehitman4084 4 года назад

    Does the sensor of FK2 (PWM3310) recognizes the CM MP510?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад +1

      I've not had any issues personal

    • @onehitman4084
      @onehitman4084 4 года назад

      @@Beardedbob thanks, already bought one

  • @MrJuanjo1997
    @MrJuanjo1997 3 года назад

    3:27 The numbers mason, what do they mean!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  3 года назад

      Higher = slower and lower = faster in that direction or as an Avg

  • @ctcpcp
    @ctcpcp 5 лет назад +1

    I feel the difference of the mousepads comes after a few weeks of using them not when they are new. Is it possible to do the same test after a couple of weeks use? Great video!

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Hi,
      Potentially but I Wilson need to use each one for a while to wear them in.

  • @mercury1027
    @mercury1027 5 лет назад +2

    Lol i got here to early video still only available in 360p

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +1

      Damn son that was lightning fast :-p.... Yeah YT will take about 20 mins to transcode it to 1080p or higher :-p.

  • @mujtaba360
    @mujtaba360 4 года назад

    Your video is Great... But you really should of using a wireless mouse cuz the cable increase that margin of error

    • @mujtaba360
      @mujtaba360 4 года назад

      And i don't know how is mp510 did lower friction in yoyr test!.. Cuz i used it for 1 month and felt alot of friction and i aimed better after returning to qck :/ which to me its alot faster!
      I think you got mp510 readings because of fk 2 long feet... I hope you redo your test with a mouse which have 4 normal feet

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      Thank, I’ve some other ideas from feedback that will help reduce some error margin.

  • @lambsauce1816
    @lambsauce1816 3 года назад

    So which one is the slowest or are they the same? And yes i‘m dumb

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  3 года назад

      Higher the number slower the surface GSR is slower

    • @lambsauce1816
      @lambsauce1816 3 года назад

      @@Beardedbob alright thank you :)

  • @shaman7960
    @shaman7960 4 года назад

    so Qck then or G-SR-E?

  • @Daniel-zw9ql
    @Daniel-zw9ql 4 года назад

    I have g pro wireless with glorious mousepad and I dont feel smoth movement. Change Mouse feet to tiger feet y continué the problem. I dont know if i must clean the mousepad ( 3 moths ago) or change it. Need more smooth... thanks for your vids

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад +1

      I would give it a clean. Does it feel gritty?

    • @Daniel-zw9ql
      @Daniel-zw9ql 4 года назад

      @@Beardedbob
      I feel like I don't have mouse feet. I have so much friction, is dificult have a good tracking. feels gritty but the mousepad is clean apparently

  • @DEPEKTOP
    @DEPEKTOP 4 года назад

    wow super

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      Thanks Roman Karnayhov glad you liked it 👍

  • @willsonjo679
    @willsonjo679 3 года назад

    So higher number = faster?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  3 года назад +1

      Lower = faster as it has less friction 👍

  • @thedonfranz
    @thedonfranz 4 года назад +1

    why no QCK limited :(

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад +1

      I have one but haven't got to do it yet. I will don't worry.

  • @fnvfanMSPR
    @fnvfanMSPR 5 лет назад +3

    Why does it say MP510 when testing the Divina pad?

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  5 лет назад +5

      Because the editor didn't notice the typo 😜. I will have to sack them. 🤔

  • @TheNamex7
    @TheNamex7 4 года назад +1

    I want to buy mousepad that will perform better than mine which is Qck+ Na'VI Limited Edition from the 2012.
    Mine mouse is optical: MX518 HERO.
    Should i buy G640, QcK Heavy or GSR-SE Deep Blue?

    • @teokean3032
      @teokean3032 4 года назад

      Qck heavy if you are into comfy

    • @teokean3032
      @teokean3032 4 года назад

      Or just go gsr

    • @addy9674
      @addy9674 2 года назад

      which one did you get update me please

  • @1m1337noSh1t
    @1m1337noSh1t 4 года назад

    GS-R-SE and QcK+ they are the same mouse pad.

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      GS-R-SE is slower. whats makes you think they are the same pad?

    • @1m1337noSh1t
      @1m1337noSh1t 4 года назад

      Well the QcK+ I use is a special edition one so the one you have isnt the same as mine. I might have been a bit too fast when typing.

  • @chrisr6950
    @chrisr6950 4 года назад

    i actually feel like this test should be done with no cable

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      I'm working on another solution which should remove the cable.

  • @LouieCatherine-i8t
    @LouieCatherine-i8t 2 месяца назад

    Boyle Expressway

  • @leonardobaidal702
    @leonardobaidal702 4 года назад

    What Is the best ? Im play fortnite and csgo

    • @Beardedbob
      @Beardedbob  4 года назад

      Depends what you want speed or control? Hard or cloth surface

    • @godlyii5013
      @godlyii5013 4 года назад

      Beardedbob I need control so which is best

  • @ffeeman
    @ffeeman 3 года назад

    nothing is said, more is better or less