More states turning to 4-day school weeks to address teacher shortages | ABCNL
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2023
- ABC News' Averi Harper reports on the impact of school districts in Missouri who have changed to a four-day school week in order to recruit and retain teachers amid shortages.
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As a teacher, teacher pay is NOT the primary. Higher wage certainly does help with the retaining. However, it's the abuse that teachers have to endure. The more self respect a teacher has, the worse the stress.
Soon Artificial Intelligence will be teaching students in classrooms 🙄with minimal facility members on school grounds.
@KillThrottle It is not a teachers job to care for you. It is their job to educate you. Caring is the job of parents, not the poorly paid teachers getting up at 5 am every morning to simultaneously balance teaching, lesson planning, documentation, professional development, parent conferences, and extra-curricular duties Monday to Friday. Practice self care and stop blaming teachers for your own inadequacies.
If a teacher can not manage their money that's on them. And you are supposed to be there for the kids it's not about you.
@@elizabethabaya4435 teachers are supposed to care about the students. You teachers are a bunch of POS of you ask me. I was lucky to have teachers who actually cared about their students.
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Honestly if the teacher thinks they are poorly paid maybe they should have looked into that before they got a degree for teaching,typically people don’t go to college saying well that job sucks at pay let me do that! No… they go for a degree in something they enjoy and if not that’s on them..
I have school aged children and I can tell you from experience I’ve had really crappy teachers and some teachers I’d put in my pocket and bring home if I could,it is the teachers job to care for the kids as well,as a parent I can tell you I hated dropping off my kid thinking if it cried it’s going to be told to go sit down and shut up basically,no take a minute and help them figure things out..
Teachers have our kids by law not by our choice more hours of the day than we parents do so yes they need to give a crap about our kids..
I left teaching not because of pay. I left because student and parent behavior. Learning starts at home. So many students lacked basic skills and modeled the poor behavior they see at home.
I agree and there are no consequences for bad behaviors anymore
Studies show that children raised in single family homes are more likely to drop out of school, join gangs, do drugs, and commit crimes...
But you would endure a the abuse for more pay, correct
@@scholaroftheworldalternatehist No. I found a better role that pays more without having to endure the abuse. Though honestly I would have taken my new job even if it paid the same as teaching. Teaching is an uphill battle and it is only getting worse.
Mr.Paddle was a good teaching tool
Raise your kids to respect their teachers and there wouldn’t be as bad of a shortage. Sure the pay sucks, but the only time I’ve ever wanted to quit my job is because of uncontrollable students and lack of admin support
I couldn’t agree more.
I agree, awful student behavior is a huge reason why teachers quit. And this positive only discipline system of removing consequences does not work with the really bad behaviors. Kids need consequences for their actions and they need to be held accountable!
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Exactly.
Teachers are teaching kids NOT to respect the authority of God. So instead they teach the morals of a selfish and insane society.
We really will do everything in education to avoid addressing the real issues as to why there is a teacher shortage in the first place. Having a 4 day work week is nice, but it doesn't fix why people aren't wanting to teach.
It helps a lot tho. Burnout is a big part of the problem.
It’s because only fan girls and athletes make millions a year and teachers make 20k
Unions always claim there is a teacher shortage.
@@kaitietheukulelelady5645 it's more of the corrupt admin teachers though.
low pay, cut benefits, forced retirement, outsourcing to immigrant teachers, bad school policies that ties their hands
How about we start giving teachers the respect they deserve and start paying them more. They deserve about 3x the pay they are receiving right now.
Maybe you can pay them?
Why don't you pay them more? And while you're at it you can keep some migrants at your house.
@@Rust_Rust_Rust wtf do migrants gotta do with teachers tho?😂
@@Rust_Rust_Rust clearly missed the point + ur racist gtfo
Teachers get 3 months off work…. They get Christmas break and Easter break…… they make damn good money considering they only work like 8 months out of the year
I used to have a desire to be a teacher. I got a postal job, so I could pay my way through school. Then I realized that I made 2x more than a teacher does at my postal job.
Yes but you probably work during summers... teachers on average just work 140 days during the school year.
196 days
@@kimberlygarrett1485 and from what I saw subbing school is that its the longest school yr ever. At the postal job,you go home and your done. You dont have to worry about after school clubs , grading papers, doing lesson plans. Plus he is alone and can be in peace
@@annagarcia1527 As a sub the teaching plan was made by the teacher and they typically tweek it from the previous year, most schools have teachers assistants that help grade papers. What school system are you in so I can visit the website to see how many school days are required, from my research 180 is at the top and the postal worker works 240. I am guessing teachers, nurses, and postal workers have an idea of what is involved in their job prior to signing up.
@@kimberlygarrett1485 teaching assistants?? Are you joking. I live down in Brownsville. The very bottom tip on th Texas/Mexico border. I had to sub a classroom of 23 kinder kids by myself. I asked the other kinder teacher next door if she has help and she looked at me like i asked if she owned a unicorn. Teachers here dont have assistants lol.
5 day school weeks has always been about the parents working not the impact of education quality.
Yup. Covid taught us that. It was never about education
I’m not so sure. My mother worked but her mother and grandmother didn’t work outside of the home. A few generations back most mothers didn’t and yet children went to school five days a week.
Yeah
@@anndeecosita3586 regardless it's always been about getting the kids out of the house 5 days a week. And when u look back as an adult ..was ur childhood spent more with your teachers or ur parents? It's fucked up to have to think of the obvious answer. And it's set up for kids to have to go to school up until 18 only becuz that's the age of legality...nothing to do with education
Bingo. It is free daycare for their kids.
Paying teachers more isn't going to solve having too many kids in a single classroom and the fact that many modern parents don't properly raise their children and expect the schools to do it
Yeah they're being raised by iPads and youtubers
That is true but what teachers are paid is ridiculous and they have to use their own money for things for their classroom often. I got my degree in teaching but I choose to work in the corporate world because I make a lot more money. Student behavior and class over crowding is also a major factor. Never mind teachers need to be aware that they could be shot while at school. There was NEVER that problem before. You have to protect yourself but also up to 30 kids in that kind of event.
You can do one and then do the other. Most things are more than one-step processes, you know.
More pay means more people are willing to be teachers despite the points you raised, decreasing children per classroom etc. solving the problem
Awful student behavior is a major reason why teachers leave. And the lack of real consequences for their behaviors
Yup
Bingo. It's one of the biggest reasons teachers quit, yet no one wants to talk about it.
I'm with you they need to get hit because anyone can control how hard they hit their kids. I'm actually being serious. Teaching at this point should have more males because the kids need a father figure who can be a drill instructor.
@@ArnalvExactly. I’m so glad I am graduating this May, the environment of schooling has become more and more like a maximum security lockup than a place to learn. Plus not to mention the clear and prevalent problems with our education system, no wonder those same kids are acting up.
@@alienboogieman You can’t because if you go DI you just stress them. DI work the way they do cause they gotta break you down, but this only works in a disciplined environment once outside they can revert back to being free and stuff.
A 4 day work week for everyone is what we’ve needed for a long time for employees in the US. Maybe this will be the needed push to get us there
As long as we earn the same salary. I can see companies using a 4 day work week to pay people less.
@@ThroughTheHaze with technology that makes no sense as the output of employees has increased 10 fold. I agree though, we will see what the negotiation is....
4-day work week typically means the daily hours increase. But it would only work if the families don't overwhelm other job sectors on the additional day that they're out
@@Heyu7her3 no because you pick the 4 days you wish to be off. So some people don't want monday or friday. they would choose mid-week to stagger the change
people are so lazy. jesus. what about the impact on the economy?
As a child I dreamed of being a teacher. I told myself I'll get in the corporate world for long enough to afford schooling for my credentials. In a matter of 5 years in the corporate world I moved up the ranks and make more than a teacher could make 30 years into the roll. I'm still passionate about teaching but my family can't afford to lose almost half my income because I want to pursue a passion.
Teachers are criminally underpaid and under appreciated.
This is how I feel. I’ve always wanted to be a teacher, but it is sickening what they get paid!! 😢
Yeah teacher pay increases suck. If I worked 10 years at my district, my pay would increase by $5000 (from 51,000 to 56,500). Meanwhile, my sisters salary went from 56,000 to 72,000 in just 3 years at her company. And she works from home and loves her job
@@alondra2317 Same 💯
I also have a teaching degree but I make more money in the corporate world so that's what I do. Especially with the inflation we are experiencing. Also, the poor student behavior and the parents denial or lack of interest is also a factor. It's very hard to actually teach anything if the students need to be constantly told to pay attention or dealt with in other ways. Even if you use a visual discipline system so you can keep on the lesson.
@@ash.613 Could I ask what her job is?
Love a good paycheck-but honestly it’s student behavior that is driving me out of the profession. What I have had to put up with this year has been outrageous.
Get out now. It's March. Time to start planning your next career. That last paycheck will be in late July for this school year I guess. Type up that resignation letter now and submit come April. Time to get out. May 25 is just a heartbeat away. Leave and don't look back. The great teacher exodus is underway.
I believe you. Student behavior is the reason why my kids do not go to school…and won’t if I have anything to do with it.
Could you guys give some examples of bad recent experiences? Im curious and i know its getting worse and worse out there
They'll throw tantrums, break things, cuss at you or others, even be physically aggressive towards you and other students. Some students are so bad you can have hours of no one actually learning anything because you're dealing with an argumentative student.
@@jessicah3782 this! I had a para get a concussion from a child and administration did NOTHING to support her. They told her she was in the way. I left teaching to stay at home with my son because I felt that I couldn't stay in a place that doesn't protect it's workers!
It takes a very special person to teach children, even the best teachers snap at good students because these teachers are in survival mode; I just wish that parents continued to teach their children to behave better in schools and maybe we'd have more people willing to teach.
If teachers really cared and were not selfish.
@@jenniferromero571 They're taking very low pay while teaching and taking care of a bunch of little shitheads, while also dealing with idiotic parents. Most of those people are definitely the opposite of selfish.
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Imagine, saying that but considering how many debts they have to pay off to colleges after they got their degree to even teach. To teach you need degrees and most of these teacher would be glad to teach at universities instead.
You need money to get the degree and oh, besides these teachers are asking for more pay in exchange for the hours they are working. Obviously, if they cut back on school hours, you don’t have to pay the teachers more.
@@aviatorsound914 they aren't actually cutting down teaching time lots of these districts are going and hour and a half earlier and staying an hour and a half later so it almost washes completely. early start times proven damaging to older kids
As a teacher I can say test scores are never "good enough" so we might as well support this!! Mental health matters!! Kids don't spend enough time with their families
Exactly, you would think with all the "grooming" teachers are accused of doing, that some of these parents would be ecstatic for teachers to have one less day a week of contact with their child.
@@k8bal473 They can't because they have work on Monday... stupid children can not stay safe by themselves, let alone getting good grade.
The kids still won't. Workdays and weeks do not match up with school as is.
Some kids don’t like their families
Right, but now the child abuse rate will go up sadly, most kids are safer at school
Four days of teaching and 1 day for planning lessons would be so awesome. I think everyone would benefit from that.
I know a lot of districts have been doing half days for probably 10years by now
Sure less is more. You need special ed to help you. My mom taught school for 40 years and is shocked by this madness. Those poor kids are going to suffer.
@@eleventy-seven There is a huge shortage in staffing right now for a lot of reasons. There isn't much of an option at this point. Also, there have been some benefits for going to four days, not just for teachers, but also for students. Many districts found that student behavior and morale was up w/ the four day school week. In some districts they didn't see a noticeable difference with test scores.
Yes. My salary is just fine… comfortable. But I’m considering leaving because of the abuse from students and parents. My students have hit and verbally abused me and there is little I can do.
I’m not in education, but I hear that same exact sentiment from people that are in education. The parents need to teach their kids how to respect people.
I am sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, this has been something administrators have let go on for far too long and has now gotten out of control, from what I have been hearing from those in the profession. I have a 28 and 25 year old and when they were in JHS/HS the abuse students did to teachers was shocking. When my son was in JHS students used to put thumb tacks in the teachers chair, throw gum or erasers at the teacher when their back was turned, spit in their coffee cup, not to mention the language that came out of these kids mouths. This was in the early 2000's (so 20 years ago). I was in my kids schools almost every day because the classroom would be split up due to the teachers having to rightfully leave for the day. It was horrible. I never knew what my child was learning in that school or if he was safe. When my daughter was in HS, 4 years behind my first child, the kids used to bring weapons to school. And now I am still dealing with same these issues with my 2 year old who is in daycare. 2/3 year olds have bullied her, pulled her hair - and I watched this all happen on the school camera while the teacher did nothing. It's horrible and something needs to be done about child behavior in the classroom. I hope that it gets better for your and school.
So go smack them in the face for abusing you
@nt_partlycloudy21 you blame parents but yet the parents can raise there kids to listen and be respectful but they will eventually act like there peers they see both in school and on social media. So don't blame every parent. My kids where homeschooled until a month ago and I enrolled them into public schools. They picked up a lot of filthy talk and behavior. Like my 1st grader learned how to twerk from the black kids. Yeah my kids are the minority in this school. Majority is black and Hispanic. 2 of my kids have only 2 other white students in there class. So you can imagine what they have picked up. So no, you don't get to blame every parent. Tell me why my 6 yr old learned how to twerk at school........
@jsquad55155 so who did those kids learn to twerk from? It’s your job to monitor what the kid is watching, they are 6 so you have control over what they watch. Parents don’t want to do anything with their kids and blame everyone but themselves for their child’s bad behavior.
I wish the US would turn to four day weeks to address burn out for everyone.
Or how about people stop being lazy.
@@jenniferromero571 who’s being lazy, Jennifer?
@@jenniferromero571 Why is that always you type of people's go-to argument? "Stop being lazy.", when it's proven multiple times that the U.S. has some of the highest burnout & stress rates in the world.
@@ninibugg6203 maybe I’d be less lazy if I wasn’t so god damn TIRED.
@@jenniferromero571 Thank you. It's all the lazy workers pushing for this. The best and most productive workers aren't.
The most impactful people in my life have been teachers. You all deserve a living wage with extensive benefits. You are uplifting a nation.
Beautifully said.
This is the consequence of treating our teachers like garbage.
@doopy poopy There are definitely some teachers who are not the best with children, however I can confirm it is mainly the students. A lot of them don't know how to respect basic rules and it drives them mad. It even makes me as a student feel a bit mad at the other students. Just because you don't like a rule, or think it is unnecessary, doesn't mean you should ignore it.
@@deutschegeschichte4972 Keep in mind, most Students only go to School because of the Law.
They would much rather stay at home.
@doopy poopy Did you eat paint chips as a child? Teachers are quitting, not being fired.
@doopy poopy teachers are the victims, my mom is a teacher and I truly don’t understand how she has so much passion for teaching those little ungrateful shits, there are exceptions to the rule but they are the minority
@doopy poopy I have had some awful teachers in my day (as well as some good ones). But I think punitive policies like No Child Left Behind, which hurt both students and teachers and the low pay are major reasons why teachers are quitting.
As a teacher, I am fine with the pay. I just want to be respected by students, parents, and administrators. I want to teach children who actually want to learn. I need parents to hold their kids accountable for bad behavior or minimal effort. No one benefits from shortened school days. That is not the answer. Let’s talk about how teachers and parents can work together to create scholars. Let’s discuss the frequent and counterproductive state testing that we have to “teach” students to pass. That’s how we can minimize teacher burnout and resignation.
I actually think this is good for students' mental health. This is more important than test scores.
Thank you! I was going to say something similar. Test scores are not the most important thing.
It’s the government and education system pushing all this testing, not the teachers.
I used to think this until a high school teacher pointed the scenario of students losing access to resources. There are many, hungry and unhoused students in the public school system. For many of those children, that’s an extra day without food or temporary shelter. Some schools in my city even provide students with medical and mental health care and that is again another day without those resources. Also, for children whose parents work, their parents have to now find childcare arrangements
@@LeeyaAre What if the school was in a luxury area?
@@dahyelim6531 This is stupid.
Honestly the whole entire school system needs to be revamped. More than half the stuff we learned in school I have yet to use, meaning the curriculum needs to be changed. Also teachers definitely deserve to be paid more regardless of if they work 4 day or 5 day weeks but that won’t matter if they’re still working with toxic admin and parents. Learning starts at home and parents need to do better, just because your child goes to school doesn’t mean they stop learning when they leave. There’s many more issues to list but until all that changes there will always be a shortage of teachers because they aren’t appreciated at all. I’m surprised teachers haven’t decided to come together and just walk out because it’s only going to get worse unfortunately 🤦🏽♀️
I agree
Ngl the administration at schools is why I dropped out
they are mean to the students and teachers at the same time
Cares more about dress code rather then teachers wellbeing and the various bullying at school
@@VegitoBlue202 this!!!
Wait so your saying I should go home and learn after leaving the place that's supposed to be teaching me? That's the problem yall rather put all the work onto the students instead of actually doing your fucking job.
@@Kenthetic couldn't even finish school teachers are forced to enforce the dress code I don't blame them tbh
Meanwhile theres always someone bringing a gun to school, a administration being abusive, etc etc. Better to get my GED and get it over with
Teachers and Students would be better off quitting or dropping out and getting the requirements for being a Professor or student in university.
This is definitely a great idea. Or maybe a shorter work day. So many teachers take their off time to do planning, lesson planning, and other teaching related things. I agree that student and parent behavior are larger issues that need to be addressed.
And I’m a bad teacher because I don’t use my personal time to do all the other things I am required to do during working hours…there’s not enough time during billable working hours and I refuse to go back to the days where I’m working up to 8pm catching up…one thing i learned from the pandemic is I don’t have a personal life because my job drains it away…even now I have administration texting on Saturday reminding me what I didn’t do yesterday…like I didn’t have a full work day - without eating lunch or taking a bathroom break until 5pm.
@@Mazzystar0 Wow Lynette. I’m so sorry. I hope that you have an opportunity to get the rest and restoration that you need. You’re not a bad teacher. At the end of the day, you have to do your best to take care of yourself. If there’s no you, then there will be no one to answer admin when they call, or to tech the kids that you teach. 😊 Hang in there my dear.
In Los Angeles they already get out at 130 pm so teachers can do all of that .
@@jayne2648 Cool. But lots of districts in Cali don’t have that same situation.
@@jayne2648 I would be all for that but my school would use that time to have us do other stuff - instead of using it to catch up on backed up work. 8th period is lunch for the students - we share a building with five other schools and our school got 8th period lunch - instead of giving teachers that period as a prep period to catch up on work, to eat, or use the bathroom - admin is giving us extra stuff do like we don’t have work to anyway.
MY HEART GOES OUT TO THOSE STUDENTS & THE TEACHERS!!!!!!!
What?
DEAREST THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS TO THE CHILDREN MAKING SMOOTHIES AND GETTING FREE HAIRCUTS ON MONDAY!! 🙏❤❤
They would be amazing if school and work days turn into 4 with 3 day long weekends for everyone.
Nah, it would be amazing if they turned into 1, with 6 day long weekends for everyone
I would love 9 month weekends.
Not everyone has the same kind of job. Many types of jobs require workers on the weekends. Do you want to not be able to go to a restaurant, shop, movie theater, amusement park on a weekend?
Mmm… dumb. You want the citizens to become uneducated and stay stupid and therefore easy to manipulate with fake news and propaganda? Then yes please a 4 day school and 3 day weekend! Perfect tools for governments, dumb citizens. That’s why Trump once said he loved dumb people. They are so easily to manipulate with propaganda because those people don’t know better. They don’t know their history and science. So they cannot think for themselves. School trains your brain in many areas of the brain. School is very useful.
Lots of people do 7 days off here in California already.
The only way this works across the board is if all employers go to a 4 day work week as well. Although there would still be a problem since not all jobs can close one day a week (hospitals, police, nursing homes, jails, etc…). At least it would be less kids requiring child care on that day off overall.
Teacher are not babysitter if you can't pay for one day of child care you shouldn't have kid's.
My comment wasn’t in regards to parents being able to afford child care or not. Although I understand not everyone could easily do so. My comment has to do with the number of childcare facilities available. A lot of rural communities and even some suburban communities already have a lack of childcare options available. This will make it worse.
@@usahlw And this is the reason they should be pay more and more respect if them just take one day off will affect so many people that tell you who is raising our kids and I don't include the weekend's because most still at home working on paperwork for our kids.
Teachers work an average of 140 days, most other workers have to report to work 240 plus days a year...must be nice to have summers off
@@soapyspongesasmr7683 you work 140 days in a school year, most other workers report to work 240 plus days a year... want more pay, work more days
As someone who grew up in MO public schools... the education is atrocious. It's sad how unprepared most of my peers were after hs. The only reason I made it out alright is because i overloaded myself with AP/College courses. The teacher pay is atrocious and teacher support is just as bad. Teachers are absolute saints for what they deal with here. The state is constantly focused on cutting the education budget as much as possible. They want to keep people uneducated and impoverished to keep easier control. Missourians constantly vote for ballot initiatives contradictory to the legislative body yet are convinced those people have their best interest in mind. My people deserve far better than they are given
Same here in Georgia, I made it out ok because I learned how to code. I call for a school system revamp!
100%
I would agree. I teach first grade. In our state, we have kindergarten children taking standardized tests. We also not only get marginalized because of the silly expectation to have 5, 6, and 7 year olds take a setup....I mean a serious assessment. It's highly developmentally inappropriate to expect this. We also have to conference with the parent and they have to sign a reading sufficiency act document. It's embarrassing that I have to tell them this and it also embarrasses the parent. Things like this make me believe that education can be a trap. Because administrative positions (who are far removed from the classroom) are making decisions for us when we know our students and what best serves them in the classroom.
@@sweetpea74127 It's also great how those admins who are as far removed as possible get paid x times teachers are. I think in my district teachers make like 35k a year, admins are around 150k. A district not too far (granted a much nicer area but still) had major heat for trying to pay their superintendent 400k a year. Just disgusting, and a glaring look at the impacts of unregulated capitalism in this country (shoutout to the banks failing too). Those doing the actual work are tossed scraps yet we're conditioned to believe that the paper filers somehow deserve multiple times more
The answer always seems to be "just do more of what is not working to try and fix the problem". If the students are failing when school is six or seven hours of ineffective teaching, make it eight or nine hours of ineffective teaching. Give more of the homework that hasn't helped get their grades up. It just doesn't work that way but people who have never been inside a classroom as an actual teacher and know nothing about child development seem to think it does.
No Child Left Behind has only made education worse. Bush started it, and under Obama it has just snowballed. Almost everything I know now, I learned somewhere other than school and I didn't even get the No Child Left Behind elementary school experience (thanks God!) and graduated before Common Core. It's without a doubt worse now. They make the simplest things as complicated as possible to make parents believe that their kid is learning soo much and the material is soo advanced.
If we closed all public schools and just had these kids go to Boys and Girls clubs, 4H or scouts, they'd most likely end up with a better education and be better prepared for life in most cases.
I still remember Furlough Fridays as a kid in Hawaii, which gave us 4-day school week, and it substantially improved my happiness.
Still, I hope teachers’ working conditions and pay improves.
This is what happens when politicians and parents stop respecting the profession. The teachers give you the middle finger and say peace out.
Let them find jobs where they have to work 240 days a year as opposed to 140
Kimberly you’re under every comment slamming teachers… who hurt you?
@@ytubeytube3882 nobody, I think 60,000 for 180 school year is fair especially with pension included
Right! 🤣🤣🤣
Kimberly Garrett Right except you’ve repeatedly been corrected by people telling you many teachers work second jobs or teach summer school to make ends meet. Very few teachers are making 60k in 180 days.
Let's do the 4 days a week and give the teacher more money they deserve both.
Umm no
@@jenniferromero571 way to add to the conversation.
How about we make it a 6 day school week, like they do in Israel, and pay the teachers less! That could help solve the budget issue we are having with the government.
@@user-vy1st7yz5d How about all the teachers quit than you can teach your own little badass little kids and find child care for them while you all work.
@@soapyspongesasmr7683 That sounds swell, breaking the government monopoly on education and letting the teacher’s get paid market value for their skills. Then parents could decide how much they want to spend on their child’s education, and taxpayers wouldn’t foot the bill, it’s like a libertarian paradise.
as a student, I can imagine how stressful a teachers role can be and having a fair wage would something they deserve.
Would teachers have the options to use that day off from students to catch up on paperwork, meet with other school personnel for IEPS, etc? As a TA, that is a huge reason for burnout-not enough time to get those other things done when school is in session, causing them to stay late many days.
I have had so many colleagues leave and I am on my way out. Been teaching 8 years and also been teaching at the college level all while. I am going fulltime at a university next year. My pay is MUCH higher than the national average and even the state average where I live. I am leaving cause I can't do this with these kids and these horrid parents. When I teach adults I am respected. Done being abused.
Wouldn't it make more sense to hear them and address their needs rather than accept a new normal of few teaching professionals???
4 day school week for kids, 4 day work week for adults is the way to go! More family time for all and everyone happy!!!!!
My mother always said: The problems one can solve with money are the easy problems. I retired because I couldn't accept the 60n hour work week, yes I said 60, admins without back bones, the lazy students who want everything to be a game and the rude parents who have no clue what they want. I was a double teacher of the year winner. They lost a hard worker!
Also, add lack of consequences for bad behaviors to the list
The average school year is 140 days and you did something wrong if your teaching plans need that much adjustment
Amén sister. Way to get out.
@@kimberlygarrett1485 you might be the dumbest person posting on here you have no clue loser
@@redred222 because I believe in order to compare one profession to another that the amount of days you report to work be considered... yeah right, maybe that would be you and your lack of experience on how variables are treated when you are making comparisons. Remain blissful.
This is not even a bad thing lol there is no reason for a five day work week other than to make schools a day care…
tbf that's pretty valid. There are lots of low income families and even middle class families that cannot afford childcare for a day for younger children
So what r parents gonna do with the kids when they working.
Five days of learning. Yeah, it works.
@@billyjean8057 work week also needs to be shorted to 4 days 🤷🏻♀️
Seriously. You don't seem to be a logical thinker.
Great education starts at home. Parents should teach their children good manners and right conduct. Values too.
Ya know what else has negative effects on student test scores? Sitting for an hour every day in a class with no teacher.
Wish we had this during our school years!
I think the default for jobs that typically work 5 days a week should be to become 4-day work weeks, including schools. Day care centers should be open 7 days a week to accommodate for younger children of parents who have to work jobs that don't follow that type of schedule. Older kids can take college courses like the video says, or work during that extra day off. I think it would be a good thing to disperse days off throughout the year like that also instead of having that super long summer break. Shorten vacation break periods especially the summer break so that kids can still have close to the same number of days off that they'd have with the traditional schedule.
That is a nice solution. We would go into trimesters with a 2-3 week break in betwee
It can work but it does put a strain on working parents sometimes. I’m from an area where our local counties pay teachers well. We have music and art teachers making way more than English and or math teachers at poor school districts. I know an all year around substitute in my county that doesn’t ever have to sub for more than a week for the same school or class as the teacher does come back.
Been requesting this in my heart for some time!!!!!!!!
4 days and 1 day of fun would certainly help the kids as long as the fun day is free for families
Let’s get 4 day work weeks next 🗣️ 🎈
Of course a 4-day week will help retain teachers, simply by the fact that teachers are attracted to jobs in these counties, because they are less likely to have a burnout there. This so called "solution" is circumventing the real problem by creating a problem elswhere - students' results are failing. The real solution: Pay more, respect your teachers and value their opinions, stop micromanaging your teachers, fund your schools better, lighten the bureaucracy AND ABOVE ALL, get those disrepectful kids and their disrespectul parents in line. Over the last 30/40 years the number of disrepectful students(and their parents) rose astronomically. And instead of supporting their teachers, higher ups regularly side with parents. Pupils (and parents) don't have to fear any kind of consequences for actions.
Exactly!! The outright cruelty from parents and students I experienced my first and only year of teaching had a lot to do with why I didn't go back.
@@SleepFaster18 I've been teaching in Germany since 2009, 2007 if I count student teaching. And though we are payed quite well and don't have as many problems as in the U.S., we do share similar experiences - like not being valued by the higher ups, never ending bureaucracy, micromanagement and the ever decreasing respect for our profession by students/pupils, parents and society in general. I have been attacked twice by students in the last 7 years. School discrict has done nothing about it, the parents have done nothing about it. And those students got away with a slap on the wrist, figuratively speaking.
Admin, Mean Students, Right Wing Politicians, and Parents are the main problem
LGBTQ Teachers and Students are the most affected, as well Cis Het (any race) Women Teachers and Students.
As a student in middle school, seeing this happen really makes sense. I feel that teachers deserve more pay because of how much they are overworked along the students and situations that they have to deal with in the classroom. I've noticed very lately that there are substitutes in many classes almost everyday. Knowing what kinds of annoying and bad students that teachers have to deal with is obviously why they would quit. Most students in my school don't behave well and are always loud during class hours. On top of that, students and teachers have to deal with social problems such as kids that don't try to learn and other kids who are getting bullied in any way that is effecting their mental and or physical health AND their learning AND how much they feel dedicated to school itself. Me, a student who witnesses how teachers truly feel about teaching is just sad. Pay and work hours is important but teachers have to deal with more things than just teaching in a class. So many of our teachers complain about how all of the classes are loud and it's so difficult to watch as more teachers are not caring about teaching anymore due to bad behavior and kids who are always talking during learning time. In my opinion, instead of shortning the days of school for teachers and students what they really should be doing is adding more disinplinary actions for the important things. Adding to that aswell, Schools like mine and alike should teach students how to behave well in order to have a calm and nice environment for everyone to teach or learn. The problem revolves around many things and those things should be taken care of properly and with vengeance.
Sincerely,one of many middle school students, thank you for reading my argument on this topic.
Haha you're a middle school student in 2023 that must suck so much I would hate to be you 😂😂😂 Middle School in the early 2000s were way better. I would never want to be a middle schooler in the 2020s oooof
Thank you for actually caring and not being like your other peers. Adults can’t stand middle schoolers because of how obnoxious and rude they can be. That’s also the age most people make fun of their teachers. The fact you are mature enough to see how hard they’re working, shows you’re an awesome kid
Students can be so obnoxious in middle school/early years of high school. Its awesome that you recognize this because so many students couldn't care less. They aren't held accountable like they should be. Its unfortunate both you and your teachers have to deal with that. I totally understand how frustrating it can be as a student to have to learn in that kind of environment. Hopefully things will improve as your classmates mature, but the system definitely needs some changes.
That is very true, students are mostly the reason why teachers hate teaching. From the... Dumb behaviors these students have, to just the unmature levels these kids are on. I completely understand how annoying it is to learn in conditions like this. Barely getting anywhere because of this. Thank God and the Lord that you aren't like others. Don't worry, I am also still in school with these annoying a holes but it's going to be ok. They are going to still be in middle school by the time you would be out there making a living. Hopefully things can get better as time goes on. Or in the next few dam weeks.
I don’t know how old you are, but you seem SO eloquent and well written for a middle schooler. Not to mention empathetic and aware of how we teachers feel.
I teach 2nd grade and as good as this sounds, I don't agree with it. Kids are exhausted by about 1:30 everyday. A longer day will get the "hours" in, but how productive are those hours. Also, consider how much more a student misses when they are out sick a day or two. What do parents who work do with their kids that extra day each week?
Teachers, Nurses, and Police….the careers we need but also the careers that are criticized and abused the most. No one wants to do, because they are signing up to be the easy target for parents, patients, and public. They are also the careers that wear the most “hats”.
Nurses and police work 240 plus days a year, the average school year is 140 days
@Kimberly Garrett Yes because teachers never ever work outside of instruction.
@@Blaze6432 yes and other professions don't prep for meetings or reports either
@@Blaze6432 Kim is a copy and paste troll.
Are you planning on making all workplaces 4 days a week? Where are young kids supposed to go on Fridays? Most jobs are structured around school hours.
They mentioned having a child care option for the days school was closed. Also, when you have children you have to figure out how to make it work. Hire a sitter or get a job with some with some flexibility or if you have a spouse work opposite shifts.
@@littlesongbird1 or we could get back to respecting teachers, teaching our kids to respect teachers, actual punishment for misbehavior, and have a 5 day school week instead of this nonsense trying desperately to lure people to the teaching profession. There's a reason teachers are leaving in droves. The problems are still there the other 4 days of the week.
What society has done to our educators is purely disgusting. Pay your teachers a livable wage and stop overworking and mistreating them. Government, administrators, and parents have ruined our education system. I’ve known four teachers who have left the field because they were burnt out and couldn’t tolerate the way they were being treated anymore by admin. and parents. Everyone seems to believe they can continue to treat workers like s*it and get away with it. No one with any ounce of self-respect is going to put up with being mistreated.
In my state you’ve got POS Ron DeSantis wanting to hire vets with zero background and training in education to compensate for teacher shortages. Yep, send a vet with possible trauma or PTSD into a classroom and let’s see how that works out. It’s the dumbing down of America friends. Hope things can be figured out because it’s our kids who will suffer the most because of the ignorance of adults. But, I’m sure the powers that be want an uneducated society because they’re easier to manipulate and control.
As a military family member this comment is disheartening as it is our military that protects this country, including you and your family. And I agree with the previous comment that most teachers today aren't even fully credentialed, but are in classrooms anyways. My daughter's teachers is still working on her Master's degree. I work in a college and all you need is a Bachelor's degree to be an adjunct of any course - go figure.
@Chrissy Pacheco Unfortunately our military has been involved in a defensive war since ww2. They haven't been protecting us like you think.
Awesome idea. I suggest 2 days in school, 2 days remote and later start times with shorter days. Kids biologically need sleep, it's asinine to start a school day at friggen 8am. Homeschooling for only 10 hours a week has benefited my household. Babygirl is only 5 1/2& testing at 2nd grade levels. Not bragging, just saying homeschooling works for many.
In Japan they start school at age 7 I believe
I used to be a SAT tutor for a high school. I was passionate about becoming a future teacher, but the massive disrespect students mistreat their own teachers is heartbreaking. I've seen such good and ambitious teachers be treated so poorly by a few bad apples.
The passionate teachers that I've seen sacrifice their own hard-working money for school supplies and necessities for their students. They sacrifice their weekends to complete fun lesson plans for their students. They take time out of their day to meet with parents, do events, etc. Not only that, but the meager pay they receive once a month, not even overtime pay is given. The abuse they have to endure by the school district during the pandemic.
Finally, the whole epidemic of school shootings was the final straw that deter me from being what I wanted to be.
As a student I think this is going to go both ways for teachers and students mental health and just help everyone out
We've had a 4 day week for years. However...those days are longer than 5-day a week schools. We have students from 7:50am - 4:00pm, so we still get the contact hours needed.
My all-time favorite teacher is my high school Math teacher Mr. Scharaffa! Wherever u r, Mr. Scharaffa, may God bless u always!!
Have no problem with this really but we have to pay teachers more and address the outrageous behavior of some of these damn kids. I mean a teacher was shot by a 6 year old…like no teacher should be at risk for being killed, beat up or verbally assaulted. The kids who act this way should be banned from attending any school and their parents could be given some stipend to homeschool. Because it’s not fair to the teachers or the other students. That starts at home. These parents have a responsibility and they should be forced to deal with their out of control kid. 🤷🏾♀️
I don’t think blaming the kids for all the problems here makes much sense. The school system is so brutal to children, like you said, parents can’t raise children…
We have to seriously make radical changes to the system, because I think taking out bad kids from classrooms won’t really solve anything.
"parents can't raise children": 1. Then they shouldn't be having any in the first place. 2. Teachers aren't there to raise those children. Teachers are supposed to teach,not babysit.
It's a completely natural response to being imprisoned for 7/8 hours a day against their will.
And you call these kids p3dophiles when they realize they're transage after their physical childhood has passed, when they just want a chance to be a child because society didn't let them.
A four day week could be beneficial for teachers, who are salaried (at least in my experience), but it would be ruinous for the hourly employees. There is already a huge shortage of teaching assistants, school bus drivers, Lunch Ladies, etc... A huge problem is parents and admin do not use bad behavior as a teaching moment and give consequences for bad behavior and the kids know it. Just a few thoughts I have. I do work for a public school system, btw.
One school in my district switched to 4 day weeks and reserved fridays for detention
Our school district does this, but we have a Monday to Thursday week and off on Fridays.
Monday -Thursday seems like it would be easier for parents
I love it. My kids only go 4 days @ a private school and it works very well. We appreciate the extra day off of school work.
Having Mondays off, would also allow for more appointments to be made on that day/having to take less time off for Drs visits, banking appointments, etc.
Childcare cost for the parents, would be a concern though....
My children's school is 4 days and a virtual Friday. Of course there are pros and cons. I stay home so on those Fridays, I joke that I'm their warden (children 7 and 8) because I do have to make sure they're on task and coming back to their breaks on time. They have a zoom check in the mornings. For my second grader he could be on with his tearcher anywhere from 30min to 2 hours depending on the class load they have for the week. My 3rd grader is usually on longer, ranging from and 1 to 3 on average. Once they check in and receive their assignments, all the work is self-paced. We can get to our weekend activities sooner and have more time together. I think it is a great compromise, allowing tearchers and students to still interact but at a distance and in comfort. It also allows tearcher more personal time and no longer school days.
Part of one of my state's college of education department shut down because no one was choosing education as field of study.
I’ve always said…
If I have a job where I’m making $100,000 but I’m miserable everyday because I don’t enjoy work, then that job is NOT WORTH IT.
If I have a job where I’m making $50,000 and I love what I’m doing, the people I work for are understanding and inclusive and positive, my coworkers are great at teamwork, and it brings me genuine happiness, then that job IS WORTH IT.
I’d much rather take the lower paying job! If this is how the world is going to be and I have to work myself to death to survive in our society, I NEED to be doing something that I love and I refuse to settle for less.
A $50,000 job is not worth it if there is poor health insurance coverage. My medications cost in the 6 figures. If I had a copay of even just 10% on all my medications, I could not afford to live on $50,000.
It's gonna go from 4 days to three to two to one to everything being virtual.
Me who has school Monday-Thursday every week: 👁👄👁
There are benefits to having a 4 day school and work week.
4 day workweek is one thing. 4 day school is another. I'm not in favor or going to school more, but if we look at countries like Japan that have 6 day school week and how much better off the students are in terms of a academics and test scores, it would beg the question why would we want to do any less.
With that being said, I think a big part of the failure in American education is not so much hours in the classroom, but how effectively we are utilizing that time.
@@davidhunt6508 but Japan doesn’t have a 6 day school week.
@@AJXOXO-vz1pn Doing a Google search I found the following:
The school week spans from Monday to Friday, but many schools also offer optional classes on Saturdays. Because the pressure to achieve academically is so important in Japan, many Japanese students attend Saturday classes, which gives the impression that the school week is six days long.
Also, apparently it was a thing until 2002 and there is some debate as to whether or not to bring it back.
Also, apparently they attend 11 months out of the year.
My previous post was just going off of memory from what I had learned in the past. I'm certainly no expert, so am currently relying on outside sources. But to my point, I don't think shortening the school week really solves anything(edit--except in the case of the teachers' job satisfaction).
@@davidhunt6508 yeah, summary please.
I've taught on a 4 day work week for almost a decade. We are Monday-Thursday. And I absolutely love it.
I teach in a 4-day week school and I don't think I can handle a 5-day week as a teacher (I I've worked in other industries doing 5 days). For me it's the workload, the extra day gives me a chance to lesson plan, grade follow-up with struggling students, offer more opportunities for support, as well as rest. I actually have a weekend because of it. We've had only one day when we needed to have school on a Friday and it cemented it for me that I can only teach in a 4-day week district. P.S. our pay is probably the worst in the state.
Know what else causes dips in student achievement? When they don’t have a teacher.
I may not be a teacher nor a student in school, but I believe this is the right move because then the students would be less stress, and the teachers would also be less stressed and it would give them more time to grade papers and do their assignments projects studying at all of that
Of course, it’s Missouri! Their graduation rates are way below average.
Are they adding time for teacher trainings, or is that part of the 4 day work week?
I have a 4 day school week at Uni because of how I selected my classes. I have never been this productive and calm in my life
I taught middle school for 5 years. You can't pay me enough to go back. It was basically babysitting plus entertaining them for 7 hours per day with 4 minutes in between - and you didn't even get a break during the 4 minutes. Why? Because our school wanted us to stand at the threshold to monitor students passing in the hallways rather than allow us to prep for the next class. We were also required to supervise breakfast and lunch AND performed bus duty - meaning stand by the buses before and after school. Every minute of the day we were assigned to a duty in addition to teaching our class periods. Basically NO prep time. You'd think we get prep time on teacher day. Nope. Principal used up that time to present lectures about SEL learning. If we were lucky, she might give us 1 hour to grade papers or clean up our classrooms.
I love the downfall of American society by the hands of a few people. Nothing says America like keeping mass shootings in schools but not teachers
Lol
There does not exist a country nor has there ever existed a country called “America”.
If I'm not mistaken Canada was already doing the 4-day week school program.
I grew up on a 4 day school week. No complaints except for the block scheduling. They needed more periods to break up the day
Here comes the end of America. Children who were behind is going to get worse. Teachers aren't willing to have their lives on the line or kids who don't mind and are unruly...how sad.
I’m for it. An elementary schooler does not need to be at a desk for the equivalent of an adult work week.
@@dangerkatdev I did. P.E. was once a week, and lunch and recess were 20 minutes each. As this video mentioned, childcare, meals, and transportation don’t have to come from a regular school day for us to provide them through a school system. I went to a school that placed an extreme focus on state testing scores, and that has been the downfall of childhood in the last 10-20 years.
@@dangerkatdev Not every school is the same. P.E. took its turn with computer class, Spanish class, and others, once a week. My experience differing from yours doesn’t make it untrue. I would think, as a teacher, that you could have a civil discourse without resorting to insults, but perhaps they don’t cover an emotional intelligence section at every school at which you’ve taught.
By the way, the R-word is out, especially as a slur. I sincerely hope you don’t teach in a district that offers special education.
That is a great idea. I agree that the younger children do not need a 5 day work week; maybe 3 max. But for some reason the higher ups thought it a good idea that 4/5 year olds need to study upwards of 10 subjects per week. The basics (math, reading, english/language arts should be the basics). As they move up in grade add another subject or two, with an emphasis on STEAM. I saw in my school district a subject on Bike/Highway safety and I'm thinking, why do they need to learn that in school. That's something to be taught at home.
@Abraham Johnathan Thanks for galvanizing my point. The pointless need to learn and then relearn subjects that are not necessary. And read my comment, I said younger children. Not those closer to higher education
Thank goodness
I remember having assignment discussing about 4 day school week while I was in high school.
This is what happens when people tell teachers "well you signed up for this"
I am not old school. I like the new school system with positive reinforcement, etc. Today my sister in law was saying I can't believe them, back in the days, they had us like soldiers. Oh yes, I remember and I hated it. I am a teacher and I love being nice to the students.
I agree with this for sure. As someone who is on the Spectrum, I wish they had more supports back in the day. I think we need to have more positive reinforcement. I am 34 years old and I find I am doing a lot better now.
Kids don't need suckers and stickers for participation. I am sad for my child has to be around thinkers like you. I am so glad I'm not putting my child in public school.
@@alimn8365 yes. It's not about giving them stickers and suckers. If that's what people think positive reinforcement is, then I can't help them. They will think whatever they want to think.
I can say that I find even in my life today, I do not find people are as friendly as in the past I can say. I think people need to be more kind. Even some of the not for profits in my area spend too much time tokenizing rather than building those relationships with other partners. I am now glad in Ontario that Employment Ontario is also having their funding formula changed where people must leave with a job and not how many clients they grt in the door.
As a Psych student I agree. I say use evidence based interventions. PBIS is based off solid research on behavior modification. It plain works for eliciting desired behavior.
In my county (Stoddard County MO) they were thinking of switching to 4 day week. Every other student I know wants it so bad but our school board denied it.
Last year we voted on some stuff for our school and everyone chose four day week. This year it started (first semester Tuesday -friday) and the second semester was Monday-thursday so I'm already on my spring break since I don't have school today lol
Wow .wish my school was 4 days a week.
I’ve always felt that school days should be shorter
Will there be a 4 day work week?
My district also doesn’t have enough bus drivers to get kids to school. Everyday we have buses of students who miss the entirety of 1st period
Pay sucks for teachers. Teachers should be able to speak their mind and their opinions should be heard. Last-the glass generation of kids getting raised is ridiculous. No respect, no kindness is insane. Let's not forget the parents who expect the teacher to raise their kids.We live in the greatest nation yet nation has fail teachers. 🤷🏻♀️
And some parents failed their children.
As a teacher I need parents to start being parents. A 4 day work week isn’t going to change student behavior
My high school has had fridays off for about 10 years now.
When will this happen in NYC?
the solution is to combine the school districts - when i lived in oklahoma my kid had three different high schools to choose from within 15 minutes from the house - each offered a limited curriculum because they were small districts - if the 3 districts had combined they could have offered much more to the kids ..
Longer class times don't work. Spending nearly 2 hrs in math is crazy
US students attend school 160 to 180 days a year and the typical school day is 7:30 to 3. Chinese students attend school 245 days a year from 8 to 5. The average worker reports to work 240 plus days a year in the US ... I don't think it makes sense to reduce the days or hours students are in school, wasn't it reported that US students are 4 to 5 years behind due to covid.
Math is crazy for most Americans regardless. I deal with it every day
@kimberlygarrett1485 Yes but being in america seeing long classes they don't work. It's great that it works in other countries. But the kids here do not have the focus. The teachers don't even have the focus to teach two hours of math.
At my school, we had what they called. Office hours where we would spend an extra hour in class. They eventually got rid of it and gave us more lunch time Because nobody was learning any more information after that first hour of class.
More than fifty minutes in a class it's just wasted time.
@@kimberlygarrett1485 And I would believe it if they said it was even worse than four or five years.
The State of MO allows you to search the salaries of all government employees, including public school teachers. I could not find these teachers using the search feature.
My question is, how long is the day and how many days do they go? Shorter summer break? 🤔