I was gonna write a whole thesis about how oh my god, characters like Chrissy Collins and her ilk in children’a media did nothing but fuel the fire of internalized misogyny and make me expect every school would have a group of queen bees to be taken down, when it turns out that kind of shit is so minimal and most people are just trying to live their lives and girls need to learn to support other girls and break the cycle of internalized misogyny and Instead I’ll just say golly gee this video sure was ginchy!
“Internalized misogyny” lol give me a break. girls mostly tear down other girls just for the hell of it. If the world consisted only of girls, itd still happen.
Alyson Stoner still got to be Isabella in Phineas and Ferb and was in Camp Rock! She did pretty well for herself! Plus, she was in cheaper by the dozens!
Glad u talked about this, when I was younger I didn't pick up on the fact that it was supposed to be a backdoor pilot as an attempt to give Alyson Stoner a show. I've come to the conclusion that as a standalone episode of TV it's entertaining but as a That's So Raven episode it kinda sucks because it takes the focus away from the characters we know and love.
damn alyson stoner has the worst luck. there was a fireside girl backdoor pilot in phineas and ferb and the show never got made. i would have loved to watch that when i was a kid
I forgot all about this pilot. I remember watching it on TV on the time thinking, "WOW we've spent a lot of time with this lil actor girl but what about Corey? Isn't this supposed to be his episode?" Looking back I can definitely see how Hannah Montana took this concept and went to the moon with it. I'm sure in an alternate universe the original show would have been fine for Disney Plus.
The worst thing about backdoor pilots in an existential way is how they're presented in-universe. Like, suddenly, your universe has been hijacked by somebody that you just saw this morning.
Yeah that is so true, cause the focus is being taken away from the already established characters we know and love for all these strangers who we may or may not ever get invested in again
Even though it never became an official Show, I would have liked to see how the show would have done. Alyson Stoner definitely would have been a great lead character
This reminds me of Martin Lawrence's sitcom Martin it was supposed to have a spin-off titled Goin for Mine with Tichina Arnold as Pam where she becomes an A&R for a record label and it never got picked up
@@justtia1031 facts I always felt that spin-off should've been picked up by either the WB or UPN and for that spin-off not only Pam was on that spin-off, it also had Dondre Whitfield, Jenna Von Oy went on to star as Stevie on the Parkers, Tyrese and the late Anthony "AJ" Johnson as well
Alec please make more videos these are cracking me up 😂😂😂 I got sad that I saw you haven't posted in 7 months! Hope you just got busy and will post more in the future
More is coming! I post about my progress in my community tab, but TLDR: I’m working on a HUGE video, like over 4 hours long right now. I still have about 2 hours still left to edit the visuals of, but I THINK it should be out by the end of May. Thank you for watching and for being concerned about my videos, your patience will pay off!
Wow, I never got a connection between that episode and Hannah Montana. This episode was just out of place. I guess it was just an episode because Cory only got a part saying one word, lol. Edit: Now, that episode from Raven's home where she is dog sitting, was hilarious. Everytime her cell phone would go off, it would drag her places. The part when it drags her up the flight of stairs was the funniest!
This video just popped into my hime page & after watching I'm surprised you have 1K subscribers only??? This was a full production and I thought you had around 300k-500k subscribers if not more. The jokes, editing and commentary is top notch, I gotta say!
I learned on Quinton's video that Game Shakers came as a back door pilot on Sam & Cat . Basically , all the Norman Lear shows in the 70s were backdoor pilots of each other .
This episode of “Goin Hollywood” actually turned out to be Cory dreaming at the end of the episode so I don’t get how it was ever supposed to be taken seriously from jump street! 😏
Also , Alyson was the one bit guest star on all these shows. I know she had a hard time as a kid but thankfully she seems grounded and never became a Aaron Carter or Lindsay Lohan 😛 It's a good thing she never got her own show. ..
Love the video. I loved this episode as a kid lol. But just a heads up Jackeé is pronounced jack-aye. Tho I doubt she will even come up in your other videos 😂
I didn't know until recently that Better Days was an inspiration for HM. Just look at the background and the layout of the school. Felt too familiar re-watching it on Disney+
I actually always remembered the line "i play the flugelhorn" cuz i was like wtf is a flugel horn? now im a music major and im happy to see she was indeed holding a flugelhorn in the talent show
-Disney- hard at work (actually lazy 💤) at STEALING IDEAS from other shows, that's NOT NEW... BETTER DAYS was a BAD COPY of HAPPY DAYS, both '50s themed sitcoms with young people, difference being HD took the "Grease / Rock N' Roll road" while BD took "the'50s - '60s sitcom road". And all of this mixed up like... 👇🏻 Hannah Montana, that was taken mostly from the JEM AND THE HOLOGRAMS cartoon, both being about young women that on different circumstances becomes pop stars while hiding it from the public (Disney couldn't afford any sci-fi effects either).
I do remember this episode lol had no clue it was a backdoor pilot at the time though. And I do remember it seemed different from a regular That's So Raven episode. Funny thing I also remember is Cory's plot in this episode kinda mirrors another That's So Raven plot in the dancing episode when a fan got to be the hall monitor for that episode and he had one line. I remember the behind the scenes of him preparing for his cameo and everything.
I just watch the episode and I realise that it was meant to be a spin off (haven't watch the show in years), I decided to check RUclips to see why it didn't get picked up and how ironic you make a video about it yesterday.
Logon does the same thing to Rory and in the reunion is super shitty to her. Jess is Luke (basically her step dad) and Logan is her bio dad.... Jess is better
Logan never forced himself on her, why r u lying? Also how is Logan shitty to her when she willingly is sleeping with him knowing he has a fiance? She chose to be the other woman? If anything she's shiity to her boyfriend Paul
The pilot was actually for hannah montana. It didnt fail because of hannah montana coming from the fact that the same people who made hannah montana made that's so raven..
The talent show scene just unlocked a memory I didn't know I had. Never knew this was supposed to be it's own pilot, I only recognized Alyson from Mike's Super Short Show back then!
I don’t know if you know this already, but in recent years Keke Palmer has revealed that she did a pilot for Disney Channel called Keke and Jamal. The show was about the titular siblings who were normal kids, but Keke’s character was pursuing a music career. The actor who would go on to play Cooper in Hannah Montana played Jamal, and Vanessa Hudgens was also in the pilot. It seems Disney had the idea of a TV show about a kid wanting to be both normal and famous for a long time; Hannah Montana just perfected the concept.
I do remember hearing about this when Keke first talked about it. Very interesting! Obviously Disney Channel had been pursuing the "Celebrity but still just like all of us" show for a while it seems haha
Lemme just say every interaction I've had with a Gilmore Girls fan has gone like this: - Oh you like Gilmore Girls? Important question- Dean, Jess, or Logan? - Logan for Rory, Jess for me, screw Dean
This whole video was hilarious! I too never understood the point of this episode, i know it was suppose to be a glimpse into a spin off but this whole episode was just a throw off and unnecessary lol. Raven’s 1 vision never made any scene, they could of kept that lol. 😭 And to this day as an adult i still don’t know exactly wtf a Sock-Hop is.
I didn't know this a Was a backdoor pilot 😂 I also remember seeing a young Miley Cyrus or some recognizable Disney star there in the crowd when I rewatch that so Raven a few years back
I know it's unfair to compare, but Ducktales (2017) did the 'backdoor pilot' correctly. They planted a few references in a couple episodes, (Beware the B.U.D.D.Y. System and Friendship Hates Magic) we see Launchpad bond with a fellow fan in The Duck Knight Returns, then a full-on pilot was created, Let's Get Dangerous, and met with positive reviews!
my brain never processed backdoor pilots until waaaaaaay after the fact. also i must make a correction: alyson stoner uses they/them pronouns! i believe it’s okay to refer to characters they’ve played with she/her, but use they/them for the actor themself!
By looking long and hard and not being afraid to go onto some sketchy websites lol, this one I remember I had to screen record the episode from a random website, I couldn’t download it from anywhere. Sometimes daily motion might have episodes but it hasn’t been as helpful lately.
It’s from the Nickelodeon movie “The Last Day Of Summer,” I did a video on it a while back, so seeing Jackeé Harry again in this, I wanted to sneak in a little plug for that video lol
Haha I’m not sure if Harry Potter was the reason for it not getting picked up, I just noticed how the premiere of Harry Potter and when Witchright Hall was supposed to air were so close to each other that I made a joke about it, but is entirely possible since Sabrina was then owned by WB.
I always wisht back in the day that alyson stoner had her very own show on disney channel back in the day but too bad it never happen i really love her so much i really did not like hahhan montana to be honest i think that show bad that's just my opinion maybe another parallel universe dimension timeline that actually did happen when alyson stoner had her own show
At least Alyson Stoner got to go on and do Phineas & Ferb. I couldn’t picture anyone else doing the voice of Isabella.
IK what u mean. I like her on The Legend of Korra, too!
I remember as a kid I was so confused about this episode and why it had so much focus on the actress girl and seemingly no one from the main cast
I know, it's very odd! Chelsea doesn't even get a single line in the entire episode besides just cheering when Cory finds out he won the part.
@@AlecComes Yeah, makes u wonder why she and Eddie even had to be there for the opening scene.
And what’s odd is that they replayed this episode A LOT (from what I remember)
this just feels like a filler episode of Zack And Cody lol
I was gonna write a whole thesis about how oh my god, characters like Chrissy Collins and her ilk in children’a media did nothing but fuel the fire of internalized misogyny and make me expect every school would have a group of queen bees to be taken down, when it turns out that kind of shit is so minimal and most people are just trying to live their lives and girls need to learn to support other girls and break the cycle of internalized misogyny and
Instead I’ll just say golly gee this video sure was ginchy!
“Internalized misogyny” lol give me a break. girls mostly tear down other girls just for the hell of it. If the world consisted only of girls, itd still happen.
Alyson Stoner still got to be Isabella in Phineas and Ferb and was in Camp Rock! She did pretty well for herself! Plus, she was in cheaper by the dozens!
Glad u talked about this, when I was younger I didn't pick up on the fact that it was supposed to be a backdoor pilot as an attempt to give Alyson Stoner a show. I've come to the conclusion that as a standalone episode of TV it's entertaining but as a That's So Raven episode it kinda sucks because it takes the focus away from the characters we know and love.
damn alyson stoner has the worst luck. there was a fireside girl backdoor pilot in phineas and ferb and the show never got made. i would have loved to watch that when i was a kid
11:31 she was on Drake and Josh playing the same type of character too lol
Yup that’s what immediately came to mind when I saw her
i literally remember this episode but had no idea it was a backdoor pilot. wow, it really does have a similar gist to hannah montana
I forgot all about this pilot. I remember watching it on TV on the time thinking, "WOW we've spent a lot of time with this lil actor girl but what about Corey? Isn't this supposed to be his episode?" Looking back I can definitely see how Hannah Montana took this concept and went to the moon with it. I'm sure in an alternate universe the original show would have been fine for Disney Plus.
tearing your miniscus wasn’t very ginchy of you. 10/10 video
The worst thing about backdoor pilots in an existential way is how they're presented in-universe.
Like, suddenly, your universe has been hijacked by somebody that you just saw this morning.
Yeah that is so true, cause the focus is being taken away from the already established characters we know and love for all these strangers who we may or may not ever get invested in again
Even though it never became an official Show, I would have liked to see how the show would have done. Alyson Stoner definitely would have been a great lead character
This reminds me of Martin Lawrence's sitcom Martin it was supposed to have a spin-off titled Goin for Mine with Tichina Arnold as Pam where she becomes an A&R for a record label and it never got picked up
I remember, but by the time I actually saw it, it was already off the air
@@justtia1031 facts I always felt that spin-off should've been picked up by either the WB or UPN and for that spin-off not only Pam was on that spin-off, it also had Dondre Whitfield, Jenna Von Oy went on to star as Stevie on the Parkers, Tyrese and the late Anthony "AJ" Johnson as well
Also, they took stuff from this with that character on Suite Life On Deck who was a washed up rapper who came on board to be with other kids his age
Alec please make more videos these are cracking me up 😂😂😂 I got sad that I saw you haven't posted in 7 months! Hope you just got busy and will post more in the future
More is coming! I post about my progress in my community tab, but TLDR: I’m working on a HUGE video, like over 4 hours long right now. I still have about 2 hours still left to edit the visuals of, but I THINK it should be out by the end of May. Thank you for watching and for being concerned about my videos, your patience will pay off!
Wow, I didn't realize that this was suppose to be a spin-off. I just thought it was another that's so Raven episode.🤯🤯
the only part of this episode i remember is corey having trouble delivering his line
DEEEEeelivery...deeeLivery...DEEEEEEEeeeeeLiVERYyyyy!!!
Wow, I never got a connection between that episode and Hannah Montana. This episode was just out of place. I guess it was just an episode because Cory only got a part saying one word, lol.
Edit: Now, that episode from Raven's home where she is dog sitting, was hilarious. Everytime her cell phone would go off, it would drag her places. The part when it drags her up the flight of stairs was the funniest!
There was also a rip off of Crazy In Love on Thats So Raven
I VIVIDLY REMEMBER THIS EPISODE!!!! I was too young to realize how out of place it was but I remember enjoying it hahahah
LOL THE WILL SMITH MEME!
This video just popped into my hime page & after watching I'm surprised you have 1K subscribers only???
This was a full production and I thought you had around 300k-500k subscribers if not more. The jokes, editing and commentary is top notch, I gotta say!
Me too, I had to subscribe, so ginchy
YEAH WATCH HER DANCE FOR 2 HOURS!
I learned on Quinton's video that Game Shakers came as a back door pilot on Sam & Cat . Basically , all the Norman Lear shows in the 70s were backdoor pilots of each other .
Your custom vision was brilliant
Petition for all character write offs from here on out to be due to them getting sent off to fight in the Korean War regardless of time period
I would definitely Like and Comment on all of Cici's videos. Awesome job, keep it up and congrats on 1k subs!!
just stumbled on your channel and have been watching everything, incredible work, keep it up! commenting to boost this in the youtube algo
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it!
This episode of “Goin Hollywood” actually turned out to be Cory dreaming at the end of the episode so I don’t get how it was ever supposed to be taken seriously from jump street! 😏
The only part that was a dream was the very ending with Cory winning an Emmy
Also , Alyson was the one bit guest star on all these shows. I know she had a hard time as a kid but thankfully she seems grounded and never became a Aaron Carter or Lindsay Lohan 😛 It's a good thing she never got her own show. ..
Love the video. I loved this episode as a kid lol. But just a heads up Jackeé is pronounced jack-aye. Tho I doubt she will even come up in your other videos 😂
Now I’m gonna seek out Jackeé Harry specific stuff to make good on the mistake lol Thanks for watching my video and for the feedback!
I didn't know until recently that Better Days was an inspiration for HM. Just look at the background and the layout of the school. Felt too familiar re-watching it on Disney+
Basically the that’s so Raven spin off we where going to get became Hannah Montana and we also got ravens home and Cory in the house
I remembered Cory struggling with the word Delivery, but remembered nothing else about this episode lmao. Jackée Harry is so entertaining!
got this recommended and expected it to be by some really big youtuber, incredible quality video, hope you get more subs!!
W vid also I’m probably late but congrats on 1k
Thank you! I really appreciate it
Great video! Your vision was right... I watched the whole thing and loved it
I actually always remembered the line "i play the flugelhorn" cuz i was like wtf is a flugel horn? now im a music major and im happy to see she was indeed holding a flugelhorn in the talent show
Me too! They picked the nerdiest sounding instrument and it definitely stuck with a lot of us haha!
If it never failed we may gave never got raven home which i love
-Disney- hard at work (actually lazy 💤) at STEALING IDEAS from other shows, that's NOT NEW...
BETTER DAYS was a BAD COPY of HAPPY DAYS, both '50s themed sitcoms with young people, difference being HD took the "Grease / Rock N' Roll road" while BD took "the'50s - '60s sitcom road".
And all of this mixed up like... 👇🏻
Hannah Montana, that was taken mostly from the JEM AND THE HOLOGRAMS cartoon, both being about young women that on different circumstances becomes pop stars while hiding it from the public (Disney couldn't afford any sci-fi effects either).
I do remember this episode lol had no clue it was a backdoor pilot at the time though. And I do remember it seemed different from a regular That's So Raven episode. Funny thing I also remember is Cory's plot in this episode kinda mirrors another That's So Raven plot in the dancing episode when a fan got to be the hall monitor for that episode and he had one line. I remember the behind the scenes of him preparing for his cameo and everything.
Did that's so Raven predict your college injury...?
Oh my god… it might’ve…
I vaguely remember that episode, thank you for bringing it back to my attention
You're so funny- a little disappointed in the lack of attention you get on your channel- I hope you start getting bigger numbers soon 💖💖💖
I just watch the episode and I realise that it was meant to be a spin off (haven't watch the show in years), I decided to check RUclips to see why it didn't get picked up and how ironic you make a video about it yesterday.
Whoa, what a wild coincidence! Thanks for checking out my video!
This was the very first That's So Raven episode I ever watched. I was so confused.
Logon does the same thing to Rory and in the reunion is super shitty to her. Jess is Luke (basically her step dad) and Logan is her bio dad.... Jess is better
Logan never forced himself on her, why r u lying? Also how is Logan shitty to her when she willingly is sleeping with him knowing he has a fiance? She chose to be the other woman? If anything she's shiity to her boyfriend Paul
I’m Here for the CiCi spin-off channel
The pilot was actually for hannah montana. It didnt fail because of hannah montana coming from the fact that the same people who made hannah montana made that's so raven..
The talent show scene just unlocked a memory I didn't know I had. Never knew this was supposed to be it's own pilot, I only recognized Alyson from Mike's Super Short Show back then!
The spinoff actually lasted longer than the actual show
The most bizzare & fever Dream ish episode of that’s so Raven lol
Love your video and can you cover a various of crossovers such as That’s So Suite Life, Wizards On Deck, iParty With Victorious?
I have a video idea for those type of crossovers that hopefully I can get to eventually, so stick around for that! I appreciate the suggestion!
every time i hear ginchy i think he's saying genshi like from overwatch
I had a feeling that episode was a pilot for something else but never knew what
This ep stunk. I wondered why we didn’t see the rest of the cast, makes sense now that this was a backdoor pilot.
I don’t know if you know this already, but in recent years Keke Palmer has revealed that she did a pilot for Disney Channel called Keke and Jamal. The show was about the titular siblings who were normal kids, but Keke’s character was pursuing a music career. The actor who would go on to play Cooper in Hannah Montana played Jamal, and Vanessa Hudgens was also in the pilot.
It seems Disney had the idea of a TV show about a kid wanting to be both normal and famous for a long time; Hannah Montana just perfected the concept.
I do remember hearing about this when Keke first talked about it. Very interesting! Obviously Disney Channel had been pursuing the "Celebrity but still just like all of us" show for a while it seems haha
I though you were going to talk about raven's home.
I thought it was going to be about Cory in the House.
I wasn't ready for the will smith part XD
Haha thank you, I was pretty proud of that edit!
For years I sometimes sing that better days themesong to myself....
I'm not proud of it.
This is the first video of yours I'm watching. You seem cool! :D
Yay, thank you! Hopefully the first of many!
Oh I remember this episode I liked it even back then I thought they were trying to make a new show
Lemme just say every interaction I've had with a Gilmore Girls fan has gone like this:
- Oh you like Gilmore Girls? Important question- Dean, Jess, or Logan?
- Logan for Rory, Jess for me, screw Dean
Honestly, accurate.
This needs more views I feel like I seen tht part tht Gigi said ! “I like her better?” I’ve seen this before ! Disney short or something
She was also on drake and josh episode with a child star.
i just realized you only have 1.25k subscribers.... i thought you had so much more. you are way too underrated, your videos are way too good
This whole video was hilarious! I too never understood the point of this episode, i know it was suppose to be a glimpse into a spin off but this whole episode was just a throw off and unnecessary lol. Raven’s 1 vision never made any scene, they could of kept that lol. 😭 And to this day as an adult i still don’t know exactly wtf a Sock-Hop is.
GNICHY GINCHY GOO MEANS I LOVE U WAS A SONG ON ALYSONS CARTOON ON DISNEY TF
I didn't know this a
Was a backdoor pilot 😂 I also remember seeing a young Miley Cyrus or some recognizable Disney star there in the crowd when I rewatch that so Raven a few years back
I remember this but I thought it was a episode of Zack and Cody lol
I wish this was an actual show😭
I know it's unfair to compare, but Ducktales (2017) did the 'backdoor pilot' correctly. They planted a few references in a couple episodes, (Beware the B.U.D.D.Y. System and Friendship Hates Magic) we see Launchpad bond with a fellow fan in The Duck Knight Returns, then a full-on pilot was created, Let's Get Dangerous, and met with positive reviews!
Gretchen, stop trying to make “gincy” happen
Miss this channel fr
Give me like two more weeks Kris
@@AlecComes You got 10 more days
That Will Smith meme tho
I always hated that better days episode of thats so raven lol
Same, and they played it so often too!
Oh wow that brought back memories I completely forgot about that episode. 🤣
Skyler Samuels always played the mean girl except when she was the kid correspondent on Access Hollywood and in the movie The DUFF
ginchy af
Supernatural has two back door pilots blood lines and wayward sisters
my brain never processed backdoor pilots until waaaaaaay after the fact. also i must make a correction: alyson stoner uses they/them pronouns! i believe it’s okay to refer to characters they’ve played with she/her, but use they/them for the actor themself!
So glad I found this video! Super ginchy lmao! Young me was always so confused about this episode
How do you have these clips of the episodes to edit?
By looking long and hard and not being afraid to go onto some sketchy websites lol, this one I remember I had to screen record the episode from a random website, I couldn’t download it from anywhere. Sometimes daily motion might have episodes but it hasn’t been as helpful lately.
@@AlecComes o ok I definitely want to make videos like this I’ll check out daily motion
Think the Partridge family got a spinoff too based on one episode with Bobby Sherman .
Allie Grant also plays as Evy on The Goldbergs too
wasn't that mean girl also in drake and josh where they made her pass out?
Guess Better Days was a parody of Happy Days
Alison stoner and Demi lovato were bullied and harassed on camp rock in 2005 but couldn’t say anything 🏕
Hannah montana remake
3:40 - Wrong. 2 spinoffs and a sequel.
what that lobster costume from?
It’s from the Nickelodeon movie “The Last Day Of Summer,” I did a video on it a while back, so seeing Jackeé Harry again in this, I wanted to sneak in a little plug for that video lol
I came here as soon as I heard ''Hannah Montana''.
I Remember this episode
Cory In The House
Top many spin offs is probably why no one cared
Wait... HARRY POTTER RUINED WITCHRIGHT HALL?! ROWLING!!!!
Haha I’m not sure if Harry Potter was the reason for it not getting picked up, I just noticed how the premiere of Harry Potter and when Witchright Hall was supposed to air were so close to each other that I made a joke about it, but is entirely possible since Sabrina was then owned by WB.
I always wisht back in the day that alyson stoner had her very own show on disney channel back in the day but too bad it never happen i really love her so much i really did not like hahhan montana to be honest i think that show bad that's just my opinion maybe another parallel universe dimension timeline that actually did happen when alyson stoner had her own show
Painful ironic 😣
zoey brooks real family r at war👧