Am sick of people saying it is a bad New Zealand team that's total disrespect to England and there performance England out played New Zealand please give England credit England put New Zealand under pressure this is going to be a great England side
I agree with you to a degree and also think England played well, but when I see a lower order NZ batsman trying ( one would hope ) to save a test match being caught playing a ramp shot, it tells me that either they do not understand what playing a test really means or they just want to go home. Appalling.
@@chrisblockley5783 Rachin’s second inns dismissal was the worst shot of the match. He bats 4. This is not on the lower order. They were not going to save the Test give the top order’s dreadful performance.
From an English perspective... you don't whitewash India if your bad team. You should have won the 1st test other than an absolutely crazy day of dropped catches. The second test was a horrendous performance but in fairness some of the deliveries the batters got were absolute jaffers. You have to give credit to Carse woakes and Atkinson they were so good and bowled as unit. Some of the seam movement from a perfect line and length would have given any batting lineup issues. I think you lost it with your pacers I don't think they hit their areas enough on pitches that were absolutely in favour of seam bowling
Cannot understand how the NZ selectors can drop Will Young. The black caps have been quite pathetic after such a great performance against India in India.
I'm an England fan, came over for both games. Glad England won but wanted a contest. The Kiwi batting in this test was weak as piss, Williamson was got out twice by quality balls in fairness. Ravindra three weak dismissals in four innings, you could see the rain coming and there would be one more over even without rain and he has a waft. Conway looks shot in tests, huge gap between bat and pad in the second innings. Latham doesn't look like the player he was. Had hoped the Blackcaps would make 400+ in the fourth innings, just to show some fight, but it was all too easy for England.
Phillips should be batting at 6. Conway needs to go back to Wellington and play 4 day cricket and find some form. Southee should have been "retired" before the Aussie test series. We can't carry a bowler who gets a wicket at a cost of 63 runs
That sad thing is there’s actually some really good first class batsman but Gary wants to be nice to the currents crop. Will Young, Mark Chapman averages 46 in first class cricket Rhys Mariu averages 70! He’s only 22. Get these guys in for a 1 off test that means nothing
I WOULDN'T CRITICIZE the one player who stood up to the Poms ( along with an honourable mention to Nathan Smith ). Itz not up to the wicket-keeper to score 50 off 250 balls : that is the Openers job . Goodbye Mister Conway . he's done his chips .
Couldn’t agree more! It’s absolutely unacceptable. To go from 3-0 in India (almost unprecedented) to this. As you say, there seems to be no accountability or explanation. Feels like the Warriors all over again. That series in India is basically negated now, and that is a major shame. Even if we win big in the last test or even the next series, who cares! We know that it will be just followed by another disaster. Is it a cultural issue or what in NZ? It’s mind-blowing.
Don't understand Kiwi cricket 🏏 they trash the Indians in their own back yard and then play at home and get a annihilated, selections in the batting unit and bowling unit need to have some intro-spec, start with the selection panel first
Isn’t it interesting with Kane Williamson back in the side it all goes pear shaped as if the remaining players rest on their laurels subconsciously…. Take him out of the team and it’s like they wake up and think I better pull my finger out…. But fundamentally like the earlier comment said , the up-and-down nature is a result of our relatively small pool of players plays its part in this inconsistency.
I do wonder though if teams watching England's last two series can now style their pitches to match one that doesn't hand England the advantage it's quite clear to me if you put England on a quick bouncy seaming wicket with a certain trueness then in all fairness to new Zealand they are a fantastic test team but if you play them on an up and down wicket with spin can be a very ordinary side as an England fan this is my worry with bazball it can be a very volatile and unpredictable style of play but very good to watch when their going @5rpo think we will need more finesse in OZ though because they won't drop catches or bowl like southee did
Because these guys have shown that they can play test cricket very well. For his first 6 years Latham averaged 43. Conway scored a double on debut. Mitchell has shown he can play too. That's what is so disappointing, these guys are better than than this but they play like trash and there's no accountability.
@jordanc8375 Latham is just as bad as Conway. If not worse. His stat's are inflated by big scores against Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh West Indies n Pakistan. He has only 1 century against the big boys. His average against SA has to be under 10 lmao. How he has escaped criticism all these years is beyond me...
Don't blame the bowlers; I've been watching the Bazball rollercoaster from the beginning, 5 per over is par. The question is how many wickets they get. I was hoping for a close series, sadly not to be. Also, Harry Brook may be the best English batsman of all time - he averages over 60 and scores faster than Sehwag. No-one has ever done that. Dropping him all those times in the first game was disastrous.
Too harsh on the Black caps? The first difference was Harry Brook's world-class innings. He had a plan to attack the NZ fast bowlers, which he executed to perfection. Up to then NZ was running through England on a helpful pitch and 200 might have been a good score. Don't underestimate England’s bowlers, Atkinson and his captain, ensured quick ends to both innings.But Essentially, England had a winning position by stumps on day1, which NZ could never challenge. England have their own Devon Conway issue: Zak Crawley out to Henry 4 times for 0 runs!
your wrong on so many things england have the 1 and 2 batman in the world and they are executing the only place you have a better bats man is at 3 we would kill for Kane at 3. Bowlers wise Southee and Henry are at the end of thier careers and don;t look that thretening unless your Crawley but then i think i could get him. Carse is vastly better than all of your Atkinson had a bad game this test by his standards and was the second best of both teams. Woakes was 3rd best then stokes none of your bowlers are good enough. In almost every department England are better than the NZ team.
No I don't quite agree with that. Mitchell is better than Pope and Bethell and Phillips is better than Pope also. Obviously Williamson is better than all of them bar Root. They just haven't been able to get going due to some outstanding England Seam bowling.
Lack of accountability, honesty and leadership. Clear the decks NZC. Coaches and players. Fans deserve better than this dribble. A pathetic and woeful display. Losing is one thing; we can accept a loss, but this is a disgrace. “Keep fighting” that's what Latham said they did. You guys folded, when the squeeze came, you collapsed. There was no fighting done. As Captain you defined insanity for this test. You continued with the same team and tactics and expected a different result. One thing you do well, sentiment. Selecting players on sentiment. Shameful from the Blackcaps
I THOUGHT SOPHIE DEVINE was an uninspiring captain : then we got Latham . My God !!! No Zing No Zest No innovative thinking . Not even trying Ravindra when two right-handers were in. Do these people have to do courses in cliche-speak when getting these positions . I'm retired now, but I saw all this correctedness corporatenessness curatedness nonsense coming in .
Don't play enough for him to be interested. The fact that he's also taken over England white ball now as well, shows that he just wants to do 24/7 cricket. And being the NZ test coach is about a 5th of the Eng job in terms of play and prep
@@XanderMohanI’m an Englishman, in rugby I’d love English rugby to have held onto Andy Farrell. It failed. And we don’t have the excuse that the Black Caps have about limited infrastructure and finance. I don’t have answers. But you need a decent spinner.
NZ are not a bad team, England just play in this fast pace action, everyone's has bought into it knowing that it will.not always work, but the fear of losing has been banished with the mindset change,,, as an Englishman, stick with your team, NZ are a good team
Well said. The basis for this was misplaying the pitch. Yes avoid Ravinda's poor shot. But most wickets fell defending when you needed to attack. Bowling and field placings too. Agree also it's like they weren't bothered afterwards. Obviously poor selection too, Southee and Conway. You're right about England too. Everything is based on scoring quickly. Great passion guys. "Sufferers"!
In Wellington where the pitch is green seamer which is very difficult to bat, the bowlers have a massive advantage. A question is why was Will Young wasn't playing in this game, its was a terrible performance with the bat and catching was not to international standard.
Not just inept, but when I see a late order player trying to save a test and being caught playing a ramp shot, I also question their heart. Southee is a liability and needs to be replaced either by a decent bowler or competent batsman. I fear we have neither.
Latham Conway Southee. time for a change. Batting by Southee especially bad...threw away his wicket every time. Batting coach needs to be fired....we need a coach that improves technique and mental approach. Blundell maybe.. maybe deserves another chance. I will not watch this team anymore unless it ceases to be a retirement home.
Very stupid not having Young's playing at 3 although NZ bowled well early with lots of edges thru slips early on.Otherwise agree England fantastic,NZ lousy 😅
There is no mystery! Different team, different conditions... And the worst fielding performance in the history of test cricket in England's first innings. Really hard to turn that momentum around.
This selection panel are poor and highly conservative. Why play a totally out of form opener in Conway and a Carthorse bowling at below test level. The closed shop approach is sad. Why couldn't they drop Southee and put him in a golf cart at seddon park to celebrate his career.
HOPEFULLY SOUTHEE not SOUTHEY plays : " No stir in the air, no stir in the sea, The Ship was still as could be : Her sails from heaven received no motion, Her keel was steady in same very placidivous non-ocean . " ~ Southey
Normal for NZ cricket. They drop top players from India tour, in comes players with average form. Williamson is NOT a team player, it is all about money for him. Player power in this side is in total control.
Hearing this, I can finally vent and have my say. Agree with most of the points here. I would drop Conway for a while, replace with Young (who should have been there from test one). Also, how did the admin let Boult slip away? also Wagner…. Our current bowlers while talented, are inexperienced. Also what has become of Kyle Jameson? Still injured?
Nothing much wrong with NZ, they have some very fine wholehearted players. Australia are in a far more serious situation. Their squad is virtually all over 33 - the selectors are risk adverse and will not blood young players. Smith, Khawaja, Lyon, Hazlewood, Carey and Starc should have been pensioned off long ago. Instead they are talking about bringing Warner back. Cummins is due a nervous breakdown also.
@@ethancoster1324 Australia have the same problem England had in 2014 under Flowers. Having attained World Number One Ranking, all their players retired at the same time and the form fell off a cliff. The likes of Pietersen, Trott, Swann, Strauss, Prior. Unless you blood young players and integrate them effectively you have a huge problem later. No team (however great) lasts for ever. Flogging it to death is just a disaster waiting to happen.
Will O Rourk has all the attributes to become a complete fast bowler. Pace, aggression and heart. If coached properly, he can achieve great heights. Also, he looks a decent batsman with a great defensive technique and has the capability to score runs too. Where is Danny Morrison? He can become a good bowling coach.
I suspect the problem is very much about mindset. Bazball isn't just about going out and "giving it a wack". The traditional mindset in cricket has always been that the 1st priority is not to lose. We can all remember teams turning down a 320 run chase, because the risk was to high. The England's mind set is that are looking to win and will risk losing to make that possible. On our last tour, down here, we lost when we declared and set NZ a total to chase. As it happened they got home. Australia would have kept on batting until they couldn't lose, even if it meant there wasn't enough time to bowl the opposition out. Accepting that failure is a normal part of the process, as long as you fail doing what you set out to do, is key. The Pakistani team was so disturbed by it that we then got to heavily doctored pitches, as a response.
Yeh Pakistan doctored their pitches but we then totally capitulated. The issue I have with stokes and mccullum is that we don't know when to say right let's just dig in here because we're not gonna be able to play gung ho cricket on rank turner's. We were excellent in the second test but lucky in the first. We're certainly not going to challenge India and Australia in the championship in the next few years playing how we do currently.
Hmmm; I think you have overegged your criticism of the kiwi players. Some dismissals have been stupid, yes, and Conway needs to be 'rested', but the conditions and the English bowling has been challenging. The seam movement obtained by both sides with the new ball was often prodigious and if you are not proactive about dealing with it, it most likely will get you out and the only player with a sensible approach in the kiwi side was Blundell, in the 2nd innings when he batted out of his crease. Just playing orthodoxly, as Kane did, is a recipe for death. The English batsmen played unorthodoxly and resultantly, some succeeded in getting runs on the board and one failing of the kiwi bowlers was that they didn't respond intelligently by bowling yorkers, slower balls or cutters to throw them off. The bowling coach is at fault here methinks. As for it to "be better to try to grind out a 50 off 250 balls" on a greentop with prodigious seam movement than smack a run-a-ball ton as Blundell did, the best-ot-the-best at that, Kane, showed that was definitely not on the cards at all by only getting modest scores. In those conditions it would be better to die by the sword for a quick 40 than by a nasty seamer for 10 off 30. Even better to bat 2 steps out of your crease and negate some of the movement. Latham and Conway were in surrender mode by day 3 and some serious changes are needed to get the team into fighting mode for Seddon park, like a proper spinner in the team, much better tactics, and a specialist opener like Mariu fronting up. Conway is a 5.
People going on like it's been a bloodbath the difference between the two sides is carse with the ball and pope and brook with the bat apart from that both sides have been ordinary probably also England have had some serious luck at times in the series although shockingly from a kiwi perspective the one area they've been miles behind in is fielding which is so unlike new Zealand but their catching has been abysmal it cost them the first test you can't drop a guy the calibre of Harry brook 5 times in a single innings your basically guaranteeing he scores runs especially the form he's in the other issue for new Zealand has been apart from Williamson a lack of tough top order runs I really worry for them long term when he retires because i only really see Mitchell as test level in that top 7 you can't be 100 for 5 or 6 every first innings and expect to win tests not against the top 3 test nations the pitches have also suited England's style of play down to the ground which is never ideal when as new Zealand your the home team although they were never gonna produce a Bunsen just to negate England's approach although having just come from a sensational win on the subcontinent and knowing England's shortcomings under this management against the turning ball and lowish bounce maybe they could of tried to do something with the pitches overall though I do think England are the fitter younger more talented team with less questions and more answers the defining period of probably 6 or 7 of new Zealand's players careers have probably come and gone it's a side closer to being disbanded rather than achieving more success in my opinion but it has been an exceptional outfit without doubt and one the country should be proud of immensely away wins in England and India in the last 3 years a very underrated side
I heard that some of India's players, and big punters in India, bet big money that NZ, would beat India, 3 zip, after that performance, it could be true.
England are by most metrics a top 3 test nation so not really average the WTC table has been skewed by penalty points for over rates and 2 visits to the subcontinent that haven't yielded the positive results we wanted the competition isn't fit for purpose anyway because teams don't play each other home and away over the scheduled cycle which undoubtedly hands certain teams a big advantage that play the other big teams at home for instance England have played a ridiculous amount of cricket in Asia recently compared to say South Africa it's just a very flawed uneven competition a bit like the new champions league football format
Shouldn’t be too upset. You were two wickets away from winning the test. Just need to figure out brooks and pope. Nz smashed India. Just fine margins at that level.
Australia showed how to beat England, they let England play their Bazball style and Australia played in more traditional a slower scoring way. NZ have to play to thier strengths and play too the conditions. NZ have other problems like Conway he needs to be replace as he is a walking wicket can't play the ball that come back in at him. Also they don't seam to have plans for ever English batsman to try and expose their weaknesses to try and get their wicket while they are not set at the crease. I am not sure what NZ have in terms of strength in depth, have you got young batsman and bowlers that can be given a chance if the current crop of NZ players are under performing, knowing that you could be replaced if you don't perform is a great motivator.
Australia didn’t win, they retained the ashes at 2-2. They had already virtually lost in the other match at Old Trafford it rained constantly. England scored 592, Australia’s score total was 531 with 5 wickets down in their 2nd innings with a day and a half still to go.
Yeah agreed Australia more survived rather than found a winning formula and method of beating bazball had old Trafford not become saturated for 2 days we'd be talking about Australia being rabbits in the headlights for me forget Cummins or starc next winter the bowler all Aussies need to pray stays fit for 5 tests is Nathan Lyon because he is irreplaceable England dominated all 3 tests after his injury last ashes but to suggest that Australia found a way of tethering England is a tad economic with the truth the truth of it all is Cummins as captain became more frazzled as the tests rolled on and without Lyon Australia looked powerless to do anything about England tipified by the 598 that got scored at more than 5 runs an over in the penultimate test the biggest shellacking I've seen an Aussie attack take since 2010/11 ashes series so I have to disagree that the way to beat England is to bunker down and fight through it I think you have marry attack with defence but always be looking to score runs and with the ball be willing to experiment and adapt quickly to match England's cunningness and aggression with the bat that to me is how you beat England that or play in a low slow raging Turner
Are some clarity for me antipodean compatriots The gents are still beating India in India They are a very good team So a couple of hiccups The English can’t win a trophy over their So just like and understand A bit like the wallabies playing the all blacks Commiserations
Am sick of people saying it is a bad New Zealand team that's total disrespect to England and there performance England out played New Zealand please give England credit England put New Zealand under pressure this is going to be a great England side
I agree with you to a degree and also think England played well, but when I see a lower order NZ batsman trying ( one would hope ) to save a test match being caught playing a ramp shot, it tells me that either they do not understand what playing a test really means or they just want to go home. Appalling.
@@chrisblockley5783 Rachin’s second inns dismissal was the worst shot of the match. He bats 4. This is not on the lower order. They were not going to save the Test give the top order’s dreadful performance.
From an English perspective... you don't whitewash India if your bad team. You should have won the 1st test other than an absolutely crazy day of dropped catches. The second test was a horrendous performance but in fairness some of the deliveries the batters got were absolute jaffers. You have to give credit to Carse woakes and Atkinson they were so good and bowled as unit. Some of the seam movement from a perfect line and length would have given any batting lineup issues.
I think you lost it with your pacers I don't think they hit their areas enough on pitches that were absolutely in favour of seam bowling
Why did New Zealand drop the 3 best players from the India tour?
Cannot understand how the NZ selectors can drop Will Young. The black caps have been quite pathetic after such a great performance against India in India.
Sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition.
I'm an England fan, came over for both games. Glad England won but wanted a contest. The Kiwi batting in this test was weak as piss, Williamson was got out twice by quality balls in fairness. Ravindra three weak dismissals in four innings, you could see the rain coming and there would be one more over even without rain and he has a waft. Conway looks shot in tests, huge gap between bat and pad in the second innings. Latham doesn't look like the player he was.
Had hoped the Blackcaps would make 400+ in the fourth innings, just to show some fight, but it was all too easy for England.
Phillips should be batting at 6. Conway needs to go back to Wellington and play 4 day cricket and find some form. Southee should have been "retired" before the Aussie test series. We can't carry a bowler who gets a wicket at a cost of 63 runs
We also miss Wagner... If only the rift between Wagner and Southee favoured Wagner to keep his spot...
That sad thing is there’s actually some really good first class batsman but Gary wants to be nice to the currents crop. Will Young, Mark Chapman averages 46 in first class cricket Rhys Mariu averages 70! He’s only 22. Get these guys in for a 1 off test that means nothing
I WOULDN'T CRITICIZE the one player who stood up to the Poms ( along with an honourable mention to Nathan Smith ).
Itz not up to the wicket-keeper to score 50 off 250 balls : that is the Openers job . Goodbye Mister Conway .
he's done his chips .
Couldn’t agree more! It’s absolutely unacceptable. To go from 3-0 in India (almost unprecedented) to this. As you say, there seems to be no accountability or explanation. Feels like the Warriors all over again. That series in India is basically negated now, and that is a major shame. Even if we win big in the last test or even the next series, who cares! We know that it will be just followed by another disaster. Is it a cultural issue or what in NZ? It’s mind-blowing.
Too bloody right lads, in the absence of any passion from the blackcaps at least we can come here and find it
Don't understand Kiwi cricket 🏏 they trash the Indians in their own back yard and then play at home and get a annihilated, selections in the batting unit and bowling unit need to have some intro-spec, start with the selection panel first
Isn’t it interesting with Kane Williamson back in the side it all goes pear shaped as if the remaining players rest on their laurels subconsciously…. Take him out of the team and it’s like they wake up and think I better pull my finger out…. But fundamentally like the earlier comment said , the up-and-down nature is a result of our relatively small pool of players plays its part in this inconsistency.
I think when teams play England they fall into our trap of trying to match our RR. Not every team can do it, some can, most can't.
I do wonder though if teams watching England's last two series can now style their pitches to match one that doesn't hand England the advantage it's quite clear to me if you put England on a quick bouncy seaming wicket with a certain trueness then in all fairness to new Zealand they are a fantastic test team but if you play them on an up and down wicket with spin can be a very ordinary side as an England fan this is my worry with bazball it can be a very volatile and unpredictable style of play but very good to watch when their going @5rpo think we will need more finesse in OZ though because they won't drop catches or bowl like southee did
why isn't will young playing - conway is just addicted to driving on the up early in his innings - it can't work and he's been shown up.
Why would anybody be surprised at any Black Cap capitulation? The up again down again pattern has been the way of NZ cricket for decades.
Because these guys have shown that they can play test cricket very well. For his first 6 years Latham averaged 43. Conway scored a double on debut. Mitchell has shown he can play too. That's what is so disappointing, these guys are better than than this but they play like trash and there's no accountability.
@jordanc8375 Latham is just as bad as Conway. If not worse. His stat's are inflated by big scores against Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh West Indies n Pakistan. He has only 1 century against the big boys. His average against SA has to be under 10 lmao. How he has escaped criticism all these years is beyond me...
Don't blame the bowlers; I've been watching the Bazball rollercoaster from the beginning, 5 per over is par. The question is how many wickets they get.
I was hoping for a close series, sadly not to be. Also, Harry Brook may be the best English batsman of all time - he averages over 60 and scores faster than Sehwag. No-one has ever done that. Dropping him all those times in the first game was disastrous.
Too harsh on the Black caps? The first difference was Harry Brook's world-class innings. He had a plan to attack the NZ fast bowlers, which he executed to perfection. Up to then NZ was running through England on a helpful pitch and 200 might have been a good score. Don't underestimate England’s bowlers, Atkinson and his captain, ensured quick ends to both innings.But Essentially, England had a winning position by stumps on day1, which NZ could never challenge. England have their own Devon Conway issue: Zak Crawley out to Henry 4 times for 0 runs!
Yeah Marty,we were terrible
Theres no pressure on any of them to win none whatsoever its just another game another dollar
your wrong on so many things england have the 1 and 2 batman in the world and they are executing the only place you have a better bats man is at 3 we would kill for Kane at 3. Bowlers wise Southee and Henry are at the end of thier careers and don;t look that thretening unless your Crawley but then i think i could get him. Carse is vastly better than all of your Atkinson had a bad game this test by his standards and was the second best of both teams. Woakes was 3rd best then stokes none of your bowlers are good enough. In almost every department England are better than the NZ team.
No I don't quite agree with that. Mitchell is better than Pope and Bethell and Phillips is better than Pope also. Obviously Williamson is better than all of them bar Root. They just haven't been able to get going due to some outstanding England Seam bowling.
Rocks and diamonds. NZ has always been great when there's no expectations on them. As soon as the expectations rise they fold.
how do they swing from such polar opposites.
Lack of accountability, honesty and leadership.
Clear the decks NZC. Coaches and players. Fans deserve better than this dribble. A pathetic and woeful display. Losing is one thing; we can accept a loss, but this is a disgrace.
“Keep fighting” that's what Latham said they did. You guys folded, when the squeeze came, you collapsed. There was no fighting done.
As Captain you defined insanity for this test. You continued with the same team and tactics and expected a different result. One thing you do well, sentiment. Selecting players on sentiment.
Shameful from the Blackcaps
I THOUGHT SOPHIE DEVINE was an uninspiring captain : then we got Latham . My God !!! No Zing No Zest
No innovative thinking . Not even trying Ravindra when two right-handers were in. Do these people have to do
courses in cliche-speak when getting these positions . I'm retired now, but I saw all this correctedness
corporatenessness curatedness nonsense coming in .
as an englishman it was baffling to see ajaz patel be dropped!
Why do people get negative so quickly you just beat india in india …. U cant be perfect 24,7 come one man !!
Brendon Mccllum should be the kiwi's coach.
It doesn't pay enough.
Don't play enough for him to be interested. The fact that he's also taken over England white ball now as well, shows that he just wants to do 24/7 cricket. And being the NZ test coach is about a 5th of the Eng job in terms of play and prep
@@XanderMohanI’m an Englishman, in rugby I’d love English rugby to have held onto Andy Farrell. It failed. And we don’t have the excuse that the Black Caps have about limited infrastructure and finance. I don’t have answers. But you need a decent spinner.
The team should be ashamed. The lack of application and absence of any steel. One exception. The coach should resign.
NZ are not a bad team, England just play in this fast pace action, everyone's has bought into it knowing that it will.not always work, but the fear of losing has been banished with the mindset change,,, as an Englishman, stick with your team, NZ are a good team
Well said. The basis for this was misplaying the pitch. Yes avoid Ravinda's poor shot. But most wickets fell defending when you needed to attack. Bowling and field placings too. Agree also it's like they weren't bothered afterwards. Obviously poor selection too, Southee and Conway. You're right about England too. Everything is based on scoring quickly. Great passion guys. "Sufferers"!
In Wellington where the pitch is green seamer which is very difficult to bat, the bowlers have a massive advantage. A question is why was Will Young wasn't playing in this game, its was a terrible performance with the bat and catching was not to international standard.
Nothing wrong with NZ bowling. More likely Eng batters just being better
Not just inept, but when I see a late order player trying to save a test and being caught playing a ramp shot, I also question their heart. Southee is a liability and needs to be replaced either by a decent bowler or competent batsman. I fear we have neither.
I think Southee is retiring...
This reminds me of the 1993 series v Australia. A team in transition, weak bowling and batters at the end.
Latham Conway Southee. time for a change. Batting by Southee especially bad...threw away his wicket every time. Batting coach needs to be fired....we need a coach that improves technique and mental approach. Blundell maybe.. maybe deserves another chance. I will not watch this team anymore unless it ceases to be a retirement home.
Very stupid not having Young's playing at 3 although NZ bowled well early with lots of edges thru slips early on.Otherwise agree England fantastic,NZ lousy 😅
Thoroughly enjoy your content Dev
great analysis chaps
There is no mystery! Different team, different conditions... And the worst fielding performance in the history of test cricket in England's first innings.
Really hard to turn that momentum around.
Englishman here. Is Craig McMillan a coach? They need his mindset. If he can coach it that’d be something.
In addition to commentary, he's an assistant/batting coach with the White Ferns.
@ Thanks.
“ We let them get to 499 ??? What about good batting you muppet ? What about getting beat off a good team ?
so dissapointed at the gutless NZ batting.,
This selection panel are poor and highly conservative.
Why play a totally out of form opener in Conway and a Carthorse bowling at below test level.
The closed shop approach is sad.
Why couldn't they drop Southee and put him in a golf cart at seddon park to celebrate his career.
HOPEFULLY SOUTHEE not SOUTHEY plays :
" No stir in the air, no stir in the sea,
The Ship was still as could be :
Her sails from heaven received no motion,
Her keel was steady in same very placidivous non-ocean . "
~ Southey
@@jeremydow1432 come on!
@@Rockstardust69 YOU SPELLED SOUTHEE Southey : don't cheat & change
it now .
@@Rockstardust69 he's got you there yano pal
we won in india largely due to our spin bowling and will youngs batting
Normal for NZ cricket. They drop top players from India tour, in comes players with average form. Williamson is NOT a team player, it is all about money for him. Player power in this side is in total control.
Absolutely baffling Will Young not even in the playing XI
Hearing this, I can finally vent and have my say. Agree with most of the points here. I would drop Conway for a while, replace with Young (who should have been there from test one). Also, how did the admin let Boult slip away? also Wagner…. Our current bowlers while talented, are inexperienced. Also what has become of Kyle Jameson? Still injured?
I agree. I think they pushed Wagner into retirement way too early. Kyle is injured and a while away from being match fit
Nothing much wrong with NZ, they have some very fine wholehearted players. Australia are in a far more serious situation. Their squad is virtually all over 33 - the selectors are risk adverse and will not blood young players. Smith, Khawaja, Lyon, Hazlewood, Carey and Starc should have been pensioned off long ago. Instead they are talking about bringing Warner back. Cummins is due a nervous breakdown also.
They've got McSweeney and Konstas coming through but besides that the cupboard looks bare.
@@ethancoster1324 Australia have the same problem England had in 2014 under Flowers. Having attained World Number One Ranking, all their players retired at the same time and the form fell off a cliff. The likes of Pietersen, Trott, Swann, Strauss, Prior. Unless you blood young players and integrate them effectively you have a huge problem later. No team (however great) lasts for ever. Flogging it to death is just a disaster waiting to happen.
Will O Rourk has all the attributes to become a complete fast bowler. Pace, aggression and heart. If coached properly, he can achieve great heights. Also, he looks a decent batsman with a great defensive technique and has the capability to score runs too. Where is Danny Morrison? He can become a good bowling coach.
They just SUCK at batting....
BLACK SLACKS 😂😂😂😂
I suspect the problem is very much about mindset. Bazball isn't just about going out and "giving it a wack". The traditional mindset in cricket has always been that the 1st priority is not to lose. We can all remember teams turning down a 320 run chase, because the risk was to high. The England's mind set is that are looking to win and will risk losing to make that possible. On our last tour, down here, we lost when we declared and set NZ a total to chase. As it happened they got home. Australia would have kept on batting until they couldn't lose, even if it meant there wasn't enough time to bowl the opposition out.
Accepting that failure is a normal part of the process, as long as you fail doing what you set out to do, is key.
The Pakistani team was so disturbed by it that we then got to heavily doctored pitches, as a response.
Yeh Pakistan doctored their pitches but we then totally capitulated. The issue I have with stokes and mccullum is that we don't know when to say right let's just dig in here because we're not gonna be able to play gung ho cricket on rank turner's. We were excellent in the second test but lucky in the first. We're certainly not going to challenge India and Australia in the championship in the next few years playing how we do currently.
For me, these two matches between England v NZ looked like two matches played between a Premier grade team and a junior (under 15) boys cricket team😅
To be fair , had the Black caps caught Brook first time in the first test , would you be having this conversation?
Welcome to modern test match cricket. Five days squeezed into three. Enormous pressure.
Maybe that successful Indian tour just made them jaded. It's not easy producing your best all the time
Hmmm; I think you have overegged your criticism of the kiwi players. Some dismissals have been stupid, yes, and Conway needs to be 'rested', but the conditions and the English bowling has been challenging. The seam movement obtained by both sides with the new ball was often prodigious and if you are not proactive about dealing with it, it most likely will get you out and the only player with a sensible approach in the kiwi side was Blundell, in the 2nd innings when he batted out of his crease. Just playing orthodoxly, as Kane did, is a recipe for death. The English batsmen played unorthodoxly and resultantly, some succeeded in getting runs on the board and one failing of the kiwi bowlers was that they didn't respond intelligently by bowling yorkers, slower balls or cutters to throw them off. The bowling coach is at fault here methinks. As for it to "be better to try to grind out a 50 off 250 balls" on a greentop with prodigious seam movement than smack a run-a-ball ton as Blundell did, the best-ot-the-best at that, Kane, showed that was definitely not on the cards at all by only getting modest scores. In those conditions it would be better to die by the sword for a quick 40 than by a nasty seamer for 10 off 30. Even better to bat 2 steps out of your crease and negate some of the movement. Latham and Conway were in surrender mode by day 3 and some serious changes are needed to get the team into fighting mode for Seddon park, like a proper spinner in the team, much better tactics, and a specialist opener like Mariu fronting up. Conway is a 5.
We played well and are hard to play against, your lads were below par against a good team - no panic.
you have simply been outclassed by a better side - and dropping someone 5 times in an innings is downright embarrasing
People going on like it's been a bloodbath the difference between the two sides is carse with the ball and pope and brook with the bat apart from that both sides have been ordinary probably also England have had some serious luck at times in the series although shockingly from a kiwi perspective the one area they've been miles behind in is fielding which is so unlike new Zealand but their catching has been abysmal it cost them the first test you can't drop a guy the calibre of Harry brook 5 times in a single innings your basically guaranteeing he scores runs especially the form he's in the other issue for new Zealand has been apart from Williamson a lack of tough top order runs I really worry for them long term when he retires because i only really see Mitchell as test level in that top 7 you can't be 100 for 5 or 6 every first innings and expect to win tests not against the top 3 test nations the pitches have also suited England's style of play down to the ground which is never ideal when as new Zealand your the home team although they were never gonna produce a Bunsen just to negate England's approach although having just come from a sensational win on the subcontinent and knowing England's shortcomings under this management against the turning ball and lowish bounce maybe they could of tried to do something with the pitches overall though I do think England are the fitter younger more talented team with less questions and more answers the defining period of probably 6 or 7 of new Zealand's players careers have probably come and gone it's a side closer to being disbanded rather than achieving more success in my opinion but it has been an exceptional outfit without doubt and one the country should be proud of immensely away wins in England and India in the last 3 years a very underrated side
One and two in world batting ratings, not a good side?
I heard that some of India's players, and big punters in India, bet big money that NZ, would beat India, 3 zip, after that performance, it could be true.
I can't believe how bad NZ have been against an average England team
England are by most metrics a top 3 test nation so not really average the WTC table has been skewed by penalty points for over rates and 2 visits to the subcontinent that haven't yielded the positive results we wanted the competition isn't fit for purpose anyway because teams don't play each other home and away over the scheduled cycle which undoubtedly hands certain teams a big advantage that play the other big teams at home for instance England have played a ridiculous amount of cricket in Asia recently compared to say South Africa it's just a very flawed uneven competition a bit like the new champions league football format
Shouldn’t be too upset. You were two wickets away from winning the test. Just need to figure out brooks and pope. Nz smashed India. Just fine margins at that level.
Conway should be batting down the order
3-0 to New Zealand against India in India then flop at home this is a disgrace for the Kewies fans how do they expect supporter to come out and watch
England is light years ahead of NZ ; it’s like schoolboys vs Pros
Just to good for you😂
AT LEAST we can spell " too ".
Australia showed how to beat England, they let England play their Bazball style and Australia played in more traditional a slower scoring way. NZ have to play to thier strengths and play too the conditions.
NZ have other problems like Conway he needs to be replace as he is a walking wicket can't play the ball that come back in at him. Also they don't seam to have plans for ever English batsman to try and expose their weaknesses to try and get their wicket while they are not set at the crease. I am not sure what NZ have in terms of strength in depth, have you got young batsman and bowlers that can be given a chance if the current crop of NZ players are under performing, knowing that you could be replaced if you don't perform is a great motivator.
Australia didn’t win, they retained the ashes at 2-2. They had already virtually lost in the other match at Old Trafford it rained constantly. England scored 592, Australia’s score total was 531 with 5 wickets down in their 2nd innings with a day and a half still to go.
Yeah agreed Australia more survived rather than found a winning formula and method of beating bazball had old Trafford not become saturated for 2 days we'd be talking about Australia being rabbits in the headlights for me forget Cummins or starc next winter the bowler all Aussies need to pray stays fit for 5 tests is Nathan Lyon because he is irreplaceable England dominated all 3 tests after his injury last ashes but to suggest that Australia found a way of tethering England is a tad economic with the truth the truth of it all is Cummins as captain became more frazzled as the tests rolled on and without Lyon Australia looked powerless to do anything about England tipified by the 598 that got scored at more than 5 runs an over in the penultimate test the biggest shellacking I've seen an Aussie attack take since 2010/11 ashes series so I have to disagree that the way to beat England is to bunker down and fight through it I think you have marry attack with defence but always be looking to score runs and with the ball be willing to experiment and adapt quickly to match England's cunningness and aggression with the bat that to me is how you beat England that or play in a low slow raging Turner
Are some clarity for me antipodean compatriots
The gents are still beating India in India
They are a very good team
So a couple of hiccups
The English can’t win a trophy over their
So just like and understand
A bit like the wallabies playing the all blacks
Commiserations
Where's Kyle Jameson
Injured and a while away from being match fit
NZ somehow find a way to play well in ICC championships otherwise they are like Bangladesh
Thetwoherosoftheindiaseriesyoungandsantnernotselecteditscrazy
U don't prepare turning pitches, drop will young..are you a joke nz team, throw kane Williamson out , he's a burden
Get behind your team nz, from uk.