I work as an automotive engineer in Germany. To be honest, Germany’s automotive industry has no chance. The management in here only cares about receiving their salary and vacationing in South Tirol or Mallorca.
If the management is not for innovation and to take companies in the direction of consumer demand than there not the right fit for a company and need to be fired by the board of directors and the stock owners, because that goes against there profit interest.
@Andres: The disadvantage of e-mobility is: Tariffs of electric energy will raise. Electricy will become very expensive. I prefere fuel conducted cars.
MA A I agree. Unfortunately management on base levels such as department and division leaders are rarely evaluated. They also are overprotected with permanent contracts so they really don’t care about staying competitive.
Ernst Strauß yeah, electric cars are not a permanent solution to the current environmental situation. They are just a way to pass the problem to future generations.
Andrés Well nope and that is just the technicals, could be that they just want some rest. Still can't remove the they still have all raises and fundamental. There's that. .
Nokia was advertised in movie and was very popular and was different models and functions what happens later maybe changes and develope internet and the phone should be modern and comfortable
I don't know with you but I was even alive to witness the Sony Ericson Antenna Phones. And YES when I say Antenna, THERE IS an antenna. My aunt had it. I touched it. If they forgot Nokia, imagine their reactions on an ANTENNA phone.
Excellent point - in this vid we see the utter self belief the german engineers are the best, well maybe, maybe not, but what we see are german innovator engineers leaving Germany because Germany will not change. So they go to places like China and America where their talents are welcomed.
Elon Musk and Tesla made the idea of self-driving electric cars seem "desirable." The future ( if there is to be a future) does not include CARS! Innovative or not it's like calling for clean coal! Excellent and innovative public transportation system and we'll designed cities are the future. Nature and technology working symbiotically. Not the "ignore air/water/soil polluting systems" we now have!
Many in Germany dismiss the electric car and say that it is a small part of the global vehicle market. Perhaps Nokia did the same when Apple produced the first smart phone.
@@daimsaeed The first iPohne didn't last a full day on a battery. Although Nokia phones could last a week on a charge, the iPhone still was lightyears ahead.
" If you don't continue to innovate, you're gonna end up like NOKIA" Nokia was perhaps the most innovative mobile phone manufacturer to the end, or close to it, but did a couple of errors. It developed a phone with large touch screen much before Apple did, but didn't take it to production. It also didn't put enough effort to switch to a more modern operating system from the old Symbian. These changes should have been made when Nokia was at the top of it's game. Perhaps there were other things too, but these too were very important. The reason for these errors was a bad, or should I say too safe-playing leadership.
Wat a fantastic comment Mr Paul. But we r understanding zat here its z Germans who r building walls. I just hope zat z can bring z change, turning 2 electric nw.
Interesting... A 30 minute documentary on EV's, who is leading the EV market, and where innovation is coming from, yet the word Tesla wasn't mentioned even once.
This is a German video about the German car industry and government as it sits within a world perspective. Tesla is an incredible innovator and market disturber, but in terms of world-wide production currently small potatoes. But that will change VERY soon with the launch of production in the new Chinese giga factory before the end on 2019.
Elon Musk and Tesla made the idea of self-driving electric cars seem "desirable." The future ( if there is to be a future) does not include CARS! Innovative or not it's like calling for clean coal! Excellent and innovative public transportation system and we'll designed cities are the future. Nature and technology working symbiotically. Not the "ignore air/water/soil polluting systems" we now have!
When Chinese manufacturers are able to sell an electric car with a price of €20,000 and 600 km mileage in Europe, the German car industry will be struggling. And probably we are not far from that.
@@SLorenziify The technology isn't quite there yet. The most successful has been Nissan with its Nissan Leaf but it has even less mileage than the Mii. I exclude Tesla because they're only doing luxury vehicles.
13:20 I'm German and I think it's totally true what he says. Until decisions are made in Europe in takes decades and China is laughing about it and keeps growing in an unpredictable speed. The germans were laughing about the electric cars few years ago now it's becoming a threat and reality. The managers were too comfortable for too long time and now they're facing Tesla and Elon Musk. But in the end the small people are the ones losing their jobs because of the lack of innovation in german industry.
Not once was Tesla mentioned in this video. With all the German engineers and vast amount of German made manufacturing machines at Tesla, you failed to say who disrupted the car industry. The GIGA factory Tesla built in record time in China was not mentioned. The fact that Tesla is the only foreign owned car company in China that does not have to partner with a Chinese car maker was not mentioned. TESLA is the reason everyone is playing catch up in the future of the car industry.
Don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure Norway is the best example for this topic. Not every country in Europe let alone the world has the (economic) conditions to switch to electric cars like Norway does.
@@autohmae because it's like some rich guy in a villa on the hill who berates the poor workers for not driving a Tesla and not buying organic food. That's why!
My dad who was a rich businessman used to say if you want excellent design go to the Italians and if you want perfect instruments go to the Swiss but if you want to get something done give it to a German. He ran his business from Kensington UK but the only UK product that came into his flat was the occasional order of fish and chips.
Sometimes government has to intervene. Otherwise big companies will produce and sell what's best for their profit not what's best for country and people. Did you ever ask yourself why public transportation in US sucks? Because car manufacturers and oil companies did everything they can do to ruin it.
The elecric cars in Norway are heavily susidised and gasoline is very expensive and lastly the country is very small and not have the distances they have in America
4 years ago today, I purchased my first new car - a VW Golf, it’s been the best car I’ve owned and enjoyable driving experience. So well made, thank you Germany 🇩🇪
wp r WVW in the VIN denotes Germany. Sure I get what you’re saying because Engines are assembled elsewhere but all of it comes together in Wolfsburg, Germany 🇩🇪
I hope they/we will long term. Short term, where the world is now, the thirst for oil is still very high. Less oil in the market drives the prices up. In turn making other, harder, methods of extracting oil more economically viable. Methods that can be far more devastating to the environment anyway, like fracking.
themystic Norway will exit the oil business after they have extracted the last drop of oil from the ground. Then they will become virtuous environmentalists telling the world how bad oil is.
Reminds me of the British Motorcycle industry, back in the 70,s and 80,s when cheap japanese bike came into the UK, And now they make some of the best, and the British motor cyle died they didnt invest or move on
bad reliability waranty claims handling and high prices kill an industry. Till 10 years ago the streets where filled with VW and Opels before peoples houses Nowadays with Hyundai's and Kia's German cars are on the lower half of the Adac reliability stastistic. They now focus on the lease fleet market luxury instead of longlasting reliability for the average carowner.
The Japanese undercut British brands in a trade war.. Consumers chose the cheaper bikes.. This is a proven tactic, once you kill off the competition you start to increase your prices making the actual perpetrator s killing the industry look like the public through choice.. The British gov have never really supported British industry in a way to stop these take overs.
@@blackswan8651 Japanese bikes and cars just worked! European manufactures got their ass kicked and had to chance. Most people buy cars like washing machines and see them as an household apliance. If your neighbour drives without problems in a cheaper foreign car and you have starting problems with your domestic car you buy foreign also the next car. The running and maintenace cost are important for the average user if a domestic car is more expensive to buy but the quality is verry good and running,maintenance cost are lower people keep buying them.
They are ready, but they make money with gas and diesel engines, as long as it goes,,, electric cars stays in work desk and when time comes they going to production
They're planning to keep selling ICE cars for the next 20 years, and probably plus 20 more to maintain those still being driven on the roads. Anyone wanting to start today doing business with ICE cars is safe for the next 40 years... until retirement really!!
The industry is allowing the banks to run them out of Businesses .a smart person would recognise to make the markette more attractive is reduceing the price to be more affordable not price themself out the markette after all they not doing any profit sharing ..so where is the problem why cant they reduce there. Price .its not like a piece of realEstate where the price gose up after u buy a car the price drop dractically like you tesaring ur money and toss it away..Benz need to leaRn somthung from CHINA
Don't be bothered. Germans will buy that oil, because they don't want to be depending on Russia :) They are even ready to pay twice the price. No wonder Norway has enough money to move on EV.
I am both surprised and proud of the work DW did here. They are a German media outlet however they don't take side in this discussion to propagandize their own car industry. As far as I can see they literally talked to any person they could reach in authorities to hear their opinions. Objective approach, transparent look and good work DW
It is more a critique on government and the auto industry and a warning that they are falling behind. Exactly what the press is supposed to do. Expose the ones who are not performing as they should.
All that stuff is free for now but, once everyone has an electric vehicle all those fees will be right back. Someone has to pay for bridge and road maintenance unless they hit everyone with higher taxes...which I'm sure they will do.
19:25 - This whole interview pretty much sums up the attitude of much of the legacy car industry and government regulators in many countries - "Everything will be fine, just ignore that sinking feeling. Our ship IS NOT sinking. Ignore the flooding, that's perfectly normal."
Elon Musk and Tesla made the idea of self-driving electric cars seem "desirable." The future ( if there is to be a future) does not include CARS! Innovative or not it's like calling for clean coal! Excellent and innovative public transportation system and we'll designed cities are the future. Nature and technology working symbiotically. Not the "ignore air/water/soil polluting systems" we now have!
What exactly is wrong with their business model? I think they make rather good profit. I'm pretty sure the German brands will be around for quite some time.
@kkthxk I was merely hinting at the prospect of electric vehicles taking over the majority of the auto industry in the next 2-3 decades, which due to its (electric) nature, might very well need a different business model approach...
@kkthxk Yes, you are right, German automakers will probably need to make electric cars as sweet as popsicles... people will even want to lick them because they're that good!! :P
@@brokenmotorwagen1328 The margins are dropping fast and dealers are stuck with vast numbers of unsold inventory which is bankrupting dealerships daily. The biggest weakness is the current industry that is dying was dependent on churning the market by yearly obsoleting their own products and relying on customers buying new models every couple of years because of new features or looks. Now that cars are computers with wheels, model year is not important but the version of the software is. With Tesla building their cars as just one of their profit centers, they can make more money by NOT obsoleting their cars with their free or paid updates over the air. Buyers love that, their 5-6-year-old car has the features of new ones. But Tesla built the power storage system, charging stations and power generation profit centers and now insurance and leasing. That means Tesla has a continuous income stream from cars sold in the past. They do not have to obsolete their car on purpose like the legacy companies have to. A dealer makes more during the life of the car from legacy brands, not the factory. A model S has a life expectancy of 1 million miles so why keep buying new cars when the old one has the same updated features every couple of months while you are sleeping? Customers understand this new model of car ownership but legacy companies have management that only knows the old model and that is why the existing companies are all going out of business, their skills are no longer relevant but they run the companies.
China’s electrification of cars started decades ago with construction of hydro electric dams to produce clean electricity (clean meaning no CO2 emissions ). Making electric cars is the last step for China. Every other country starts with making EVs, not thinking where to get clean electricity. 75% of electricity in US is generated by burning coal and gas. Yet naive public thinks electric cars using that electricity are clean. Norwegian government imposed 100% duty on ICE cars and removed duty on EV. Would any sane person pay 65k for a VW Golf or buy a Tesla for the same money? Norwegians are hypocrites. They promote EVs at home but sell their oil abroad to fund their fancy policies and make themselves feel better than other countries.
sorry, but tell me how ICEs are cleaner than EVs? You can't make a convincing argument that supports that flawed thinking... maybe the electricity generated in order to power EVs is not "clean" but it damn sure is better than having to extract oil, refine it and transport it to all the gas stations! Electricity only needs cables in order to be transported. Those are fixed costs you have to only implement ONCE. And btw, EVs eliminate pollution in the cities and concentrate the source of their energy in one location (the power plant that generates electricty). This is preferable - to have one concentrated source of pollution on one location far from urban areas than having a lot of pollution sources driving around.
If governments want faster adaptation of EV, they should build the infrastructure for it. Nobody wants to be limited in how far or remote they want to drive because they might not be able to to charge their car.
Other EU countries are more advanced: you may charge let's say an electric Jaguar or the Tesla while parked on the street. The French have proposed other alternatives: simply to change the battery. You are letting the discharged one to be charged and simply replace it with a charged battery. Also a Rent-A-Car system like the cities' bikes. You let the discharged car in the garage and take another one.
Weve owned electrics for 3 years. Our initial concerns were overblown. Never ran out of electricity. Charge at home nightly. 150 miles for $3. Added solar system which makes charging free. Drive 900 to 1100 miles per month. Ironically the initial money came from the VW tdi settlement money!
And how are you going to build electric Trucks that are going to haul 80000 lbs on a weak electric engine? In the US majority of goods come by truck. Also, what are you going to do about electric car batteries that are not environmentally friendly, mined in the Congo by blood and children?
@@TKUA11 perhaps a Switzer may correct me but I believe they are transporting the big trucks on special trains. So the trucks don't need to drive long time on routes. If there already are electric planes and electric boats there will also be electric trucks. Who is mining in Bolivia? Also children?
@@djprojectus Well poor people think only about reliability when talking about cars but the real truth is that japanese cars were best in quality but 20 years ago, today all cars are less reliable.
@@essel23fly Honda and Toyota can be 10 times more reliable then any german car but with that childish design they have nowadays I would never buy one.
1990: The end of internal combustion is nigh! 2000: The end of internal combustion is nigh! 2010: The end of internal combustion is nigh! Germany: yawn.
@Fred Fernackerpan Man made Global Warming is a SCAM......however I will be buying an EV, a Tesla, not because of Co2 but because they are so much better than any ICE vehicle!
@Fred Fernackerpan Sounds like just natural weather/climate variation to me. New York City was once under a giant sheet of ice. Now it's not. But it's not because anything mankind did.
If you look at adoption rates of new technology since the 1900's, the rates have shortened exponentially. Hence smartphone market penetration happened in a very short time. The same will happen too EV's. 2023 is the crossover point where worldwide sales of ICE is overtaken by EV sales.
Two comments here. Number 1 : Well no, the internal combustion engine will not completelly disappear. There will still be some applications where it may continue to be used, but in most cases it will be replaced by electric motors., and Number 2 : the change to electric vehicles is taking place, not just because EVs are better, but because instead of paying in Germany from $ 7 to $ 9 dollars for the galon of gasoline, you will only pay in electricity anywhere from 2/3 to 1/2 of that. It makes all the economic and financial sense in the world. In addition to this, the engines that Tesla uses in the Model 3, last for 1, 000, 000 miles without requiring major repairs.. no ICE car beat that...
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I find the title "Running on Empty" ironic as that's not a problem with gasoline engines but it is a problem with electric cars as you have to find a compatible charging outlet somewhere and wait around until it's charged. It's fine if you live in a small city and can plan for it but if you want/need to ability to travel more, you cannot afford the inconveniences of electric. Not to mention batteries tend to not last nearly as long as engines.
I am a Chinese, my English is not very good, the following is translated with translation software. I changed a BYD electric car half a year ago. Now it costs about 120 yuan a month. It used to cost 1500 yuan. Maintenance is about 200 yuan at a time. It used to cost 600 yuan.
Tesla is the most popular electric vehicle in China. There are also several brands of electric vehicles in China, all of which have caught fire. But BYD has not caught fire at present. No, it should be said that no one caught fire because of battery.
The use of VPN was initially for the job needs of foreign employees. Later, it gradually expanded. The government did not openly but privately prohibit it. According to the statistics of 2017, there are 70 million people using VPN to access the network outside the wall in China. Now there may be 100 million people using VPN.
They have solution you can custom make roaring engine noise ... for that reason and other that pedestrian law can hear you ... sound cheesy but it works it’s out there
Norway is a bit of a special case. The hydro power generation grid is enormous. Couple this with an excruciatingly high cost of living and it makes it much easier to manipulate markets and invest in the required infrastructure. That and of course it only has around 5 million people!
There is something no one talks about: where does the electricity come from? In most countries, it comes from fossil fuel power plants and nuclear power plants. It is just take pollution to areas outside the cities.
Well since cities are where people mostly live, that's still a net positive. Btw an average electric car, in an average European country, can be kept charged by just 10 square meters of solar panels.
@@tybofborg Even if that was true(10 square meters will give 3kwh per hour in perfect sun, which is from 9 in the morning, till 16 in the perfect sunny summer day, and any other time, night, winter, rainy day - they will give fuckall) Still, how much time would those 10sq meters take to charge? Also, just multiply those 10sq meters by cars in europe... We would have to invade Africa and cover it with panels to "fuel" our cars. But what to do with trucks, planes and ships? Still fossil? Just forget them and live the land, like 300 years ago? Do you realize that what we call "cars" produces insignificant amount of pollution compared to the entire industry of transportation? And then there is all of the rest of industries...
All the Americans commenting here like Tesla is a huge player in the industry. It is still very very very small compared to the German giants. Tesla is aiming to make 300k vehicles in 2019. VW group alone makes about 11million.
And yet they single-handedly manage to buck the trend and push the auto industry past the tipping point, where everyone (but the Germans) wants to go Electric, and the world begins to accept that Electric is the future. Had they not done that, make no mistake, there would be no narrative around Electric cars today. It's not about who makes the most cars, rather about how we get the ones who make the most cares, to make electric ones.
kkthxk no amount of chest thumping and self-aggrandising is gonna make Europe a prosperous powerhouse again. What’s more, with the EU and liberalism (responsible for generating all this wealth in the past 5 decades) is gonna be replaced by rivalries once more. Only now, new countries are taking the stage, right dead centre. The age of Europe is about to finish.
@kkthxk No, Europe is done, they just have not acknowledged it yet. Since all the countries are tied to the same currency despite the wide range of economic development, the common currency has really hurt all the smaller exporting countries and they have no options or self-determination since they are ruled by Brussels at the whim of Germany and France. The euro-zone prohibition of running a deficit means weaker countries have to cripple themselves with austerity measures that prevent them from making any adjustment or be in a position to benefit from improving conditions. The common currency worked when there was good growth but the inability to decrease the value of a local currency to promote trade means 1/2 the countries in the EU have suffered dramatic drops in quality of life while France and Germany, as exporting countries, reaped the benefits. But even Germany is in recession with the key bank insolvent so about the only way for most of the smaller countries to survive is to drop out of the EU. Greece should have years ago, they are really screwed. No, the EU is failing, the experiment in one ruling body unaccountable to the people ha produced major blunders. The shift of the center of the economic center of the universe has sped up to the East. The German car industry self-destructing due to arrogance and habit is the final stray. The people seem to have a sense of impending doom but some are vocal saying they are the strongest economy....while not understanding the reality of their fate. Will it break up into war as countries try to break out of the EU? It might be the case, look at how hard it has been for the UK to get out. Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Hungary and others will probably be next. I spend just infrequent of time in the EU to easily see the shifts in mood and fear. Those are real. I live 65 miles from the EU and it is pretty obvious from observation when an experiment has gone awry. The big push for a European army is a pretty good sign Brussels think force is going to be needed to keep the unhappy countries in line. Wars are pre-ordained by such actions
@kkthxk Yeah, but the problem is - once the social systems in europe will collapse (which will be the only way europe would go out of socialism, because the leftist european governments will never do it voluntary) then you will have civil war, because of all the young migrant men who are fully dependent on social benefits - so there would be no basis for a capitalistic uprising like for example, the american people were allowed to experience (larely because the americans were a white homogeneous society back in the days with "healthy" birth rates, which europe or lets be more specific, the most important economical countries in europe like Germany, France or the scandinavian countries are not anymore! But then again, civil war will come either way, because the the social state in europe as a whole will collapse because of the negative demographics from white europeans - who don't get enough children anymore, thus getting replaced by more and more non-whites, who will extract more money from the system - then to paying it back in = the system will collapse on its own...after that you will have neither socials nor a capitalistic uprising but a third world hellhole with high crime and bad infractructure, because all the last white europeans with high skills will have left for "silicon valley", austrialia, canda or new zealand, due to high crime and high taxes in the first place...
One of the baddest documentary! You show that BMW bring the E1 and you maybe forgot the I3 or the i8 ( these are cars that run on the street and in your documentary!) and you show at Geneva the EQV or the electric V Class and the only thing is you say “it s not ready for the market” and after this clip you show the GLE 53 AMG like a wrong direction, but maybe you forget to show the EQC! That car was also launched at this show and it is/was ready for the market and also completely ELECTRIC !!!
Whole vid without showing or mentioning a Tesla? Germany is definitely scared! You do know that big Tesla factories are opening or starting in China and Germany?
Lg G3 - It sure is. They are just exporting their carbon foot print to other countries which produce its cars. The carbon foot print for the production of electric cars is higher, from what I have read, particularly the batteries.
Being Norwegian. Everything here is Ironic It's all a big scam. Look into the ACER-debate going on right now. Basically Norwegian politicians are selling the resources we have, for the benefits
They subsidies the electric cars with money from their soveregin wealth fund which is one of the worlds largest investor company, true the fund was created with oil money + norwegian oil production peaked in 1993 (42000 metric tons) and their currenly produce half of that amount like in the 1980 (22000 metric tons).
They are paying over $15,000 per ton of CO2 avoided. It is wild how they are spending money on an interesting experiment. I am curious how they maintain as they phase out the subsidies. Interesting times for sure. I can hardly wait to see what is next.
The entire piece came across as extraordinarily arrogant. Everyone saying how the German auto industry is the best (with no mention of how expensive they are), yet there was no mention of Japanese or Korean manufacturers and barely just a hint of a mention of US manufacturers.
The incentive system will make them common for city driving. Most Chinese live in small to moderate cities, they already are running around on electric scooters, the car will come next. It is because most Chinese probably drive less than 50km a day, which fits real well in the electric vehicle model. Electric cars are more difficult in sprawling cities and more mobile economies where the cars range is regularly tested.
With the scale things are happening in China, prices will come down. There is no doubt about that. And there will be cars of any kind, and they will also specifically develop for export. Its allready very late for European industry I guess.
False, tons of $40k sedans sell. Their prices will also fall used. The only thing limiting EVs is charge speed and access to chargers. Tesla addressed this from day one, no one else wants to spend money on chargers.
Coal power plants, or any fossil fuel power plants for that matter, have way higher energy efficiency than any Internal-Combustion-Engine, i.e. with the same amount of CO2 produced, power plants generate way more meaningful energy, whereas petrol/diesel engines turn about 80% of it into heat and waste that away, which is meaningless and dum
the conclusion being, even considering all the environmental impact of mining for Li, making Li-ion battery, electricity production and manufacturing/disposing of electric cars, electric cars are still better for the environmental no matter where your electric comes from
A lack of a charging infrastructure in Australia is holding back EV adoption over here. Also Australians drive long distances. I live in Kalgoorlie and regularly drive 600km to Perth without having to refuel along the way. I currently can't drive that distance in an EV without having to stop somewhere and plug in overnight.
@@michaelwade7533 You my friend are the 1% in Australia that EV's at present are not suitable as a normal car. But here on the east side of Australia I live in a rural town where the shopping trip is a round trip of over 3hr driving and hoping to get a Model 3 soonish. Will charge up at home mostly and on the occasional run to Melbourne or Sydney plenty of super chargers, although technically with a long range I can make either without charging. As by far the most people live in cities EV's are really the logical car for most people. But yes we need to get moving with improving the infrastructure.
@Michael Wade Yes that is one of the two issues that prevent mass takeup of EVs, the other being price. But a Tesla supercharger for a Model 3 or the coming Tesla model Y or Ute would charge you up to about 80% in 20-30 minutes at the halfway 300km mark.
You're a fan of petrol and diesel cars are you Max? You like Aussie vehicles to be running on petroleum imported mainly from the Middle East? Or do you own a petrol station? The issue is one of clean air in our cities as well as energy security. If Trump decides to start a war in the ME over Iran then Australia's reliance on imported fuel is a liability. EVs can be powered from electrons made locally from coal, gas, sun and wind, all of which we have plenty of. It's bizarre that there is such government resistance to EVs.
The reporter misses a very important thing. Who is going to make batteries for the EVs.? Battery is the key part as the combustion engine. I have not heard any battery manufacturer in Germany.
the german goverment has setted up a battery reserch Center and plant recently, so it means, it will be fucking ridiculous to critize China in ther future or not?
I don't think the German car industry will never lose its ability to compete with the world market. However. the American car industry is not doing well at all. considering the nearly 55-60 % of the cars sold in the US are either Japanese or german.
Prosperity can be fleeting when your economy relies on being a net exporter, and a huge amount of your exports are of one thing (e.g., cars). The coming years will be interesting for Germany, even for Japan and South Korea.
Western Union had a chance to buy the patent for the telephone - they saw no use for it IBM thought no one would ever have a computer in their home Microsoft thought handheld devices were a fad Blockbuster Video saw no use in buying Netflix
Kodak, invented the digital camera.... then after inventing put it away. Later they died from that invention. Nokia thought Android would not work, look at Samsung making big huge profits on it now. Porsche now bought 15% of Rimac, VAG Group is now making a huge mistake by not just buying WHOLE Rimac.
if this is the future why is Tesla struggling to make it and has to take subsidies?? 1. Customers don't like the limited range 2. Long time to recharge 3. Electricity can be more expensive than petrol/gas 4. The price of the car is not worth the gas savings
Classic one sided Liberal propaganda for uneducated. How do you make electricity? Burning coal, natural gas, or nuclear. Electric car and batteries production, maintenance, and disposal cost much more than you will safe on gas and at the end will produce more CO2 gases than regular combustion engines.
these comments just show the stupidity of the people once again. do you all realize that out of the 4 of the top 20 companies that spend the most on r&d are german car manufactures and suppliers? vw on 3, daimler on 11, bmw on 18, bosch on 20. if you guys really think that they didnt invest enough on new engines i would recommend you to do some research...
If you don't Innovate, You end up like Kodak, Xerox, BlackBerry, Bethalham Steel Industries ((Largest Steel Company, now extinct)), Kmart, Sears, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Toys R Us, Concorde and the List goes on....!!
Question is why do companies need to exist forever? It's ok for companies to cease and go bust right? Humans can innovate and contribute to the planet without a company to capitalize on humankind doesn't it? Now ask yourself have your life sucked more since Kodak, Xerox, Blackberry or the others mentioned go bust? ( Unless you are an employee or shareholder of the said companies )
Bravo ! Also EV-s make sense in Norway since they get electric energy from hydroelectric dam power stations. But Norway is small country with small number of citizens so in terms of energy it is irrelevant!
@@radwizard capitalism taken in its purest form means private roads, ie restricted or tolls - every where, private armies... etc. I'm willing to bet that you are an American, and that you enjoy the benefits of socialist type policies every day without even knowing it. The countries voted the best places to live are all semi socialist - free education, free healthcare, generous unemployment benefits. Wouldn't you want your country to be near the top of the most desirable places to live list ?
Norway is so ahead of the game. It's not that hard, put in place the proper incentives and programs...and the transformation will happen. That's leadership.
For me there is still a question that i cannot find answer - from where will we have enough Lithium to make all the batteries we need for a world that is 100% on electric cars? And what will be like for this planet ... cause extracting Lithium is highly disruptive for environment. As long as we don't find a better alternative for batteries i think that shifting to electric cars is not feasible and it could be even worse for the planet then combustion engines.
I’m curious what people are going to do when there isn’t enough materials to produce enough batteries and the price forces the bottom 90-95% of people to forego ever having a vehicle.
They employed a "defeat device". They basically had a part that would actually work, but only for a short amount of time and at great cost. They installed this part, but it would only engage when the wheels were stationary, just as the previous commentor mentioned.
The manufacturers placed a detection mechanism that triggered lower emissions when being checked. Basically in any lab environment. It was 3 researchers who drove a diesel car across the US that first detected the anomaly and dug deeper. The Germans may rail against other countries with lax enforcement, however they missed this via a wide mark due to the power of the manufactures.
The problem was largely masked because although the cars were apparently becoming cleaner, at the same time more people were changing to diesel. Even with the two variables changing simultaneously air quality tests in the UK showed the air was getting worse despite cars being replaced with newer models that had 'passed' emissions tests. The thing that bothers me (apart from the air pollution) is that the EU fines us for having polluted air yet it was polluted by diesel cars where the manufacturer was deceiving the customers. I don't believe our government or the customers are culpable here because they were knowingly mislead. The culprits are the manufactures yet the victims have been fined for the dishonesty of the manufacturers. We should be reimbursed for the fines we received and it should come from the manufacturers pocket. With that money perhaps we can install charging stations.
I am now regretting buying my 2017 combustion-engine car...thinking its longevity would last 10+ years. Now, I hope it becomes irrelevant tech as cheaper electric cars come along. This doc has made me change my views. I hadn't realized how much progress has been made.
Cars are evolving. Just like the smartphone, people now seem to prefer user interfaces over performance. Car lovers like me are a dying breed...just like manual transmissioned internal combustion vehicles.
Tesla has crazy acceleration but the parts on the car are not as high quality as bmw or mercedes.. i own a model s and do love it but i've noticed the difference tho to those german cars..
I think you’re missing the context of Tucsonan Dude’s statement. As a fellow enthusiast I can relate as he’s referring to that man-machine connection that comes with driving an internal combustion vehicle equipped with a manual transmission. It’s less to do with practicality (and even ‘performance’) and more to do with the visceral joy of that connection. Cars are evolving strictly into a transportation appliance. Once automated personal transportation concepts become fully implemented, driving will become a relic.
I live in Orange County, CA. Teslas are starting to displace Mercedes and BMW on a really surprising level around here, but I would never underestimate German engineering skill and brand loyalty as a force to be reckoned with.
@desertdetroiter Well, i think ypu Mercedes, BMW,Porsche and AUDI are the best carmakers in the world. They are always reliable and very well build. The problem here is the price. Why should i buy a very qualitive VW Golf, when i can just buy 2 Toyota Yaris for the same price. Not the quality of the german cars is the problem, its the price
The UK had a massive share in the car market in the 50's and 60's, Then the German's and others came out with more reliable and cost effective alternative's. I do hope Germany can catch up with the rest of the world in EV's.
Obviously the basic concept was complicated for bare reasoning. The horse shoe maker is the German auto industry. The horse shoe maker cares not if the horses crap the streets or if they are unwanted by popular demand. Equally, the German auto industry cares not if it’s “CLEAN” combustion engines are a topic of pollution, or are by popular demand, steadily losing ground to battery powered engines. They hedge on their past successes of glory, and viably rebuke a future of a new dawning.
Combustion engines were firstly owned by the rich, but now our days, are owned by middle class and the below middle class. It is called “Economies of Scale”.
The Japanese and Koreans make less expensive and more reliable combustion engine cars. Maintenance costs on a German combustion engine car will bleed you dry!
German dream Chinese put up with their priceless money-pits... when all they need is articulated buses to carry massive flow of people. German selling individual cars to Chinese is like Deutch selling bicycles in the swiss mountains... not going to happen, mismatched!
You say that as the CRV is banned in China and consumer reports tell Americans to not buy it due to piston ring failure and Honda not honoring guarantees. Toyota are having valve issues or something. A German car will have issues with its coil packs or toyota made a/c compressor and everyone keeps talking about how unreliable they are for 15 years. The real truth is if you have a german car the mechanics assume your rich and make up fake issues like charge you $10k for new turbos when the car has no smoke just a drop of oil in the intake.
@@Matt-ne6de No it is not that issue. Even in Europe German cars are the most expensive to maintain (except supercars), and they are just as sketchy when it comes to warranty. BMW made the n47 engine with a timing belt failure and have never admitted it. Replacing the belt was made more difficult because bmw put in in the back of the engine which forced mechanics to take the engine out
Marc Kingdom Marc you’re wrong. German cars are less reliable than there Japanese counterparts. German cars break down more often and are more expensive to maintain. A study showed BMW as the most expensive to maintain, $17,000 USD to maintain over 10 years. This is pathetic. The reliability and cost effectiveness of Japanese manufactured cars is unmatched.
France has the highest number of Nuclear power plants in Europe. Their power is only 40g CO2/ kWh. Germany 500g, UK, Denmark 250g.. So France can do it, and they are. Just planning to flood the market with EVs does nothing without also having massive investment in wind power and other renewables.
In many ways. Coal, wind, solar. You can put solar panels or shingles on the roof of your home today. The beauty is, there are many ways to generate electricity. There is only one way to get your fuel at the pump however. And it ain't pretty.
@@macioluko9484 Then whatever incentives and rebates countries are offering for buying EVs, should include solar or wind shares, to make the development follow the the number of EVs, instead of just increasing the demand for dirty power.
just wait until somone brings the $7,000 brand new, fuel efficient and compact car to Europe and the rest of the world every one is going to forget about those explosive 60 grand electric cars
You have to pay more to end up with a total pile of planned obsolescence trash. I'll never forget the air-cooled Beetle taxi massacre in Mexico. They told the taxi owners they would get a brand new Nissan Sentra (which was actually a discontinued model from the 80's still being sold there) if they crushed their beetles. Well probably no more then five months later all of the taxi owners just about formed an angry mob because those horrible little piles of trash were already dropping like flies. They were pissed when they realized the repair bills!! Most of them abandoned the stupid Nissan's where they died and tried to save as many bugs as they could to revamp for taxi use.
Germany does not like to move forward. The country still likes using cash as their main source of payment, while Scandinavia is pretty much all cashless. Germany closes most of its stores on Sundays, it's very old-school way of living there still. But I still love Berlin :)
So what? It is very abundent. Where so you think the crude oil comes from? This also has to be shipped around the globe and refined before it goes to gas stations. Lithium battaries are the best we´ve got right now, but development doesn´t stop and "soon" (5-10 years) we won't need lithium and other rare earths for even better accumulators. (I hope)
Futher, this dokumentation is about the development of the car industry, and how germany will lack behind asia in the coming years. That we have to use lithium and other rare earths is a general problem because, as I said, that´s the only cell chemistry that is compettitive right now.
Well not so relevant topic to go into innthis documentary. This is rathet about old mind sets, comfort zones etc. reasons why Germany is loosing to Tesla
In the preface it is mentioned the topic of if EV are environment friendly indeed. The author forgets about his promise to elaborate. So poor! In fact production and disposal of batteries is more poluting than diesel. And in case of China all of those electricity demand will be supplied by coal birning electricity factories. While the most less poluting engine is the combusting engine run on CNG. So these are the facts. As industry experts already stated its an evolution. Evolution for everybody in the eco system, so it will take time. Tesla is a lab or a bankrupt company. It shows how you just cant front run evolution or production practices mastered for ages.
Daan Made in Holland hmm, better performance, lower center of gravity, hugely lower cost of ownership, much more simple, reliable drivetrain, instant torque from 0RPM, or big cool noise. Tough choice
Well said, they all cost over 35,000 and with that I can buy a whole lot of car with combustion engines , frankly I don't care. I want the best bang for my buck.
@@snadwitch how's it a tough choice? Petrol has at least a 600 mile range, with the refuel taking minutes. Electric well i think you know the answer to that LOL easy choice,v10 all day..its either bmw or audi.
tj o• most people do not drive over 100km in a day. So it is enough for them to just start the day with a fully charged battery. Also super chargers make long trips easy. Germany car makers are done for. Tesla will dominate china and it's the most important market in the world.
@@MoDa87 sorry mate but a lot of people do do those types of journeys. Some people drive all night and day on trips. Trucks for example they'd need the whole trailer full of battery just to do their trips lol they are fine for cities and local driving but that's about it.
Wel the loading points are killing it now,with high prices. It needs a bit time for the sunpowered car. The are now with BMW. Lots wil laugh on that,but these technisians won already 15 years long al sun powered races.
No mentions of other manufacturers, even the one that plays perhaps the biggest role in the EV growth. (Tesla) Obvious frequency in saying we are the best, we invented the wheel, we are the biggest car manufacturer. (while actually it's Toyota) This documentary stood as a bit arrogant to me, although German car engineering is to be admired. I get it. This is a German broadcaster but the description did kinda fix it. All in all, good informative documentary. Hope it acts as a wake-up call, cause a lot of us here love German cars and it may already be late.
We still have to move a ton to move a average of 100kg. This not ecological, neither efficient. The transportation systems should be designed and build globally!
That is why I cycle with my bicycle. And I live in a city, where I work, do the groceries and go out. So I have to use my car a little at possible.' I also have 2 folding bicycles (one is a trike, minor detail), so I can cycle to the train station, take a train to another city, Amsterdam or the Hague, and there I cycle to my destination.
@@mardiffv.8775 but the solution to be sustainable is global planning so everyone can travel efficiently and safety. Our problems and solution are technical, not political.
@@Fabrikoooo Partly true, but political will is soooo important. Take my country, the Netherlands, the Dutch have prioritized cycling, but building cycling infrastructure. It took political will, spurred by an oil crisis, energy crisis and 400 children dieing after being hit by a car. Or take Italy, where cars are forbidden from entering centres of ancient cities, because the cars produce air pollution, which in turn, damage the 2000 year old buildings. Take took political will.
The key to EVs being widely adopted is government mandated standardization of easily replaced battery packs. Roll into a station on E, replace the pack in 5-10 minutes and be on your way. Not 20 different companies making 40 different batteries that take hours to charge or replace. This is necessary to increase the range and allow travel in-between major metropolitan areas. If you operate close to home then you charge there overnight. If you need to travel from San Francisco to Los Angeles then you would access precharged packs along the way. An EV has to do what a gas powered car can do. People won't pay for something that does less.
BrandXsps: Everyone also seems to overlook where the electricity comes from. Most of it is from coal-fired power plants. So they are really coal-powered vehicles... like an old steam engine.
If quick replaceable vehicle batteries (trucks are also important, probably even more than cars) are feasible they could also be used as mains energy storage which can make it easier to transition to less constant output energy sources. However is there enough lithium and cobalt for so many vehicles on earth? Still believe that having 10-20kwh car batteries and 1.5kV overhead electrification on main roads would be cheaper and more environmentally friendly. (most of the time the vehicle is battery powered)
I agree, but having a standardized battery would ultimately lower demand and these car companies would lose money so it won't happen. The auto industry is so important they need to maintain a high level of production to stay afloat - their new cars are designed to have a life expectancy of 7 years, then they get melted down and you buy a new one... not very environmentally friendly huh
Yes and it must be transfered through multiple transformers over hundreds of miles and stored as chemical energy in a battery and them converted back to electricity to operate an electric motor. Energy is lost at every step and theres the problem of extreme heat and cold on the battery the need to control cabin temperature . I don't think batteries are feadsible in a lot of places.
You know I have an old Nissan LEAF. I rented a brand new Mercedes 190 with 900kms on the clock (on a trip abroad). I realised something: outside of a nice steering-wheel-feel and the auto boot opener (kind of cool), the car is actually utter crap in comparison to my simple Nissan LEAF. My LEAF has better luxury feel, better road holding, better response and acceleration, more quiet, smooth etc. All of a sudden I realise that luxury car manufacturers have a serious problem trying to differentiate themselves as a luxury brand. . In Canada, the Tesla Model 3 outsells BMW, Mercedes and Audi combined in its price category. Surely the writing is on the wall...... yet ....
@@adamjankowski8658 nope,,, so they dont have to pay taxes on the profits. But they did make a ton of money in the stock market.... I think thata where the money is. Stocks... not ev sales
Within one year I can see lot of changes. German OEMs are launching electric versions in the coming years.Due to covid it got delayed but many are in pipeline.Thats a good news
I work as an automotive engineer in Germany. To be honest, Germany’s automotive industry has no chance. The management in here only cares about receiving their salary and vacationing in South Tirol or Mallorca.
If the management is not for innovation and to take companies in the direction of consumer demand than there not the right fit for a company and need to be fired by the board of directors and the stock owners, because that goes against there profit interest.
@Andres: The disadvantage of e-mobility is: Tariffs of electric energy will raise.
Electricy will become very expensive. I prefere fuel conducted cars.
MA A I agree. Unfortunately management on base levels such as department and division leaders are rarely evaluated. They also are overprotected with permanent contracts so they really don’t care about staying competitive.
Ernst Strauß yeah, electric cars are not a permanent solution to the current environmental situation. They are just a way to pass the problem to future generations.
Andrés Well nope and that is just the technicals, could be that they just want some rest. Still can't remove the they still have all raises and fundamental. There's that.
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I used to be a proud owner of Nokia mobile phones. .Now, my children don't know what nokia is.
That hit me quite hard.
Nokia was advertised in movie and was very popular and was different models and functions what happens later maybe changes and develope internet and the phone should be modern and comfortable
Yet Nokia is still good at industrial network solutions. Just like Cisco.
Then teach them what iphone and Samsung phones are 🤣🤗
I don't know with you but I was even alive to witness the Sony Ericson Antenna Phones. And YES when I say Antenna, THERE IS an antenna. My aunt had it. I touched it.
If they forgot Nokia, imagine their reactions on an ANTENNA phone.
The german auto industry seems to be obsessed with " we're the best and ahead of others" so was Kodak on top of the camera industry.
rick dees they are done for. Maybe VW will be left but the others are going to be gone or bought up by others.
Germany is still ahead of the rest of the world.
Excellent point - in this vid we see the utter self belief the german engineers are the best, well maybe, maybe not, but what we see are german innovator engineers leaving Germany because Germany will not change. So they go to places like China and America where their talents are welcomed.
@@laniasgamingworld3573 Who says and by what measures?
Elon Musk and Tesla made the idea of self-driving electric cars seem "desirable." The future ( if there is to be a future) does not include CARS! Innovative or not it's like calling for clean coal! Excellent and innovative public transportation system and we'll designed cities are the future. Nature and technology working symbiotically. Not the "ignore air/water/soil polluting systems" we now have!
Many in Germany dismiss the electric car and say that it is a small part of the global vehicle market. Perhaps Nokia did the same when Apple produced the first smart phone.
but there hasnt been an electric car that has been on par with the first iphone
@@daimsaeed Ever heard of Tesla?
@@Simon-dm8zv you cant exactly fill them up in mins and batteries deplete. but sure its getting there
@@daimsaeed The first iPohne didn't last a full day on a battery. Although Nokia phones could last a week on a charge, the iPhone still was lightyears ahead.
Manuel Müller exactly
If you don't continue to innovate, you're gonna end up like NOKIA
or blackberry
indestructible car
Hmmm so deep mate
AND when you do innovate expect risk that could end your venture... Like NOKIA
" If you don't continue to innovate, you're gonna end up like NOKIA"
Nokia was perhaps the most innovative mobile phone manufacturer to the end, or close to it, but did a couple of errors. It developed a phone with large touch screen much before Apple did, but didn't take it to production. It also didn't put enough effort to switch to a more modern operating system from the old Symbian. These changes should have been made when Nokia was at the top of it's game. Perhaps there were other things too, but these too were very important. The reason for these errors was a bad, or should I say too safe-playing leadership.
When the winds of change blow, some people build walls while others build windmills.
Sorry to tell you, but all we have are just forecast of winds.
And weather forecast are not reliable at all.
When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 91 , the Kuwaitis learnt their lesson. Now they have a wall in the desert
WOW YES WE NEED TO ALL GO GREEN BAN TOXIC OIL #BUZZOFFTOXIC
laughs in dutch seawalls and windmill pumps
Wat a fantastic comment Mr Paul. But we r understanding zat here its z Germans who r building walls. I just hope zat z can bring z change, turning 2 electric nw.
Interesting... A 30 minute documentary on EV's, who is leading the EV market, and where innovation is coming from, yet the word Tesla wasn't mentioned even once.
I did not even notice that but you're right
Not at all. It was about on not buying the EVs. Anyway it refers to the EU economy not at China.
This is a German video about the German car industry and government as it sits within a world perspective. Tesla is an incredible innovator and market disturber, but in terms of world-wide production currently small potatoes. But that will change VERY soon with the launch of production in the new Chinese giga factory before the end on 2019.
@@Dave-in-France your response was perfect, just what I wanted to say
Elon Musk and Tesla made the idea of self-driving electric cars seem "desirable." The future ( if there is to be a future) does not include CARS! Innovative or not it's like calling for clean coal! Excellent and innovative public transportation system and we'll designed cities are the future. Nature and technology working symbiotically. Not the "ignore air/water/soil polluting systems" we now have!
When Chinese manufacturers are able to sell an electric car with a price of €20,000 and 600 km mileage in Europe, the German car industry will be struggling.
And probably we are not far from that.
Seat (part of the VW conglomerate) already sells an EV for that price...
@@AcrylDame That's right: the Mii Electric. However, its mileage is very poor.
@@SLorenziify The technology isn't quite there yet. The most successful has been Nissan with its Nissan Leaf but it has even less mileage than the Mii. I exclude Tesla because they're only doing luxury vehicles.
lol, euro, kilometers, and mileage in one sentence.
@@SLorenziify Mileage is not poor, mileage costs money and there is no way around that.
13:20 I'm German and I think it's totally true what he says. Until decisions are made in Europe in takes decades and China is laughing about it and keeps growing in an unpredictable speed. The germans were laughing about the electric cars few years ago now it's becoming a threat and reality. The managers were too comfortable for too long time and now they're facing Tesla and Elon Musk. But in the end the small people are the ones losing their jobs because of the lack of innovation in german industry.
You mean the young people
@Ultima Ratio you mean the poor factory workers?
@Ultima Ratio having a car?
@Ultima Ratio a good place to go if bankrupt
Germans have as in the sleve always
Not once was Tesla mentioned in this video. With all the German engineers and vast amount of German made manufacturing machines at Tesla, you failed to say who disrupted the car industry. The GIGA factory Tesla built in record time in China was not mentioned. The fact that Tesla is the only foreign owned car company in China that does not have to partner with a Chinese car maker was not mentioned. TESLA is the reason everyone is playing catch up in the future of the car industry.
Exactly. If they don't realize this, they will end up like Nokia.
Valid point. If not for Tesla, these fkers would have merrily continued selling their "10 cylinder" nonsense for another 100 years.
China is good at backstabbing anyone and everyone once they steal the plans its over for Tesla the govt and courts will all turn a blind eye.
True story
I didn't know that. Thank you for the revelation
Don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure Norway is the best example for this topic. Not every country in Europe let alone the world has the (economic) conditions to switch to electric cars like Norway does.
True, but Norway is like a test of what the future could be if electric cars are pushed by governments. It’s interesting to study the economy there.
norway is making most of its money by selling oil. norway is never a good example, lol.
So... why not ? Would be nice to have an explanation why.
@@autohmae because it's like some rich guy in a villa on the hill who berates the poor workers for not driving a Tesla and not buying organic food. That's why!
My dad who was a rich businessman used to say if you want excellent design go to the Italians and if you want perfect instruments go to the Swiss but if you want to get something done give it to a German. He ran his business from Kensington UK but the only UK product that came into his flat was the occasional order of fish and chips.
The only reason why electric is so popular in Norway is government intervention in the market.
Sometimes government has to intervene. Otherwise big companies will produce and sell what's best for their profit not what's best for country and people. Did you ever ask yourself why public transportation in US sucks? Because car manufacturers and oil companies did everything they can do to ruin it.
The elecric cars in Norway are heavily susidised and gasoline is very expensive and lastly the country is very small and not have the distances they have in America
All of oil and gas companies and automobile manufacturers have been heavily subsidized for a much longer time!
So in a sense SOCIALISM, not a capitalism.
@@VladicD government incentives are part of capitalism
4 years ago today, I purchased my first new car - a VW Golf, it’s been the best car I’ve owned and enjoyable driving experience. So well made, thank you Germany 🇩🇪
Chances are it was actually made in Slovakia.
wp r WVW in the VIN denotes Germany. Sure I get what you’re saying because Engines are assembled elsewhere but all of it comes together in Wolfsburg, Germany 🇩🇪
Joe Bloggs
Belarus ?
I don’t think VW has an engine plant there.
RovexHD Hi, Oh I did some more research, looks like Skoda in Mlada Boleslav, Czech Republic 🇨🇿 My mistake
@@joebloggs6394 it is a really cool car
Norway is a small nation that derives its wealth from Oil....If Norway is so concerned about the environment why don't they exit the oil industry?
exactly my thoughts
I hope they/we will long term. Short term, where the world is now, the thirst for oil is still very high. Less oil in the market drives the prices up. In turn making other, harder, methods of extracting oil more economically viable. Methods that can be far more devastating to the environment anyway, like fracking.
themystic Norway will exit the oil business after they have extracted the last drop of oil from the ground. Then they will become virtuous environmentalists telling the world how bad oil is.
They prefer to pollute other nations and profit off that while keeping their country "green"
because they still need to pay to start the electric revolution
My last car was a VW. I wasn't impressed with the quality and reliability so I'm sticking with Japanese now.
Hahah what an iditot
You won't think that when the bottom rusts and falls out 🤣
@@fatmanscoop8650 why do you care maybe he actually has the money for a new car
Reminds me of the British Motorcycle industry, back in the 70,s and 80,s when cheap japanese bike came into the UK, And now they make some of the best, and the British motor cyle died they didnt invest or move on
bad reliability waranty claims handling and high prices kill an industry.
Till 10 years ago the streets where filled with VW and Opels before peoples houses
Nowadays with Hyundai's and Kia's
German cars are on the lower half of the Adac reliability stastistic.
They now focus on the lease fleet market luxury instead of longlasting reliability for the average carowner.
I thought the exact same thing. The Brit, manufacturers were arrogant. It was Britain's industrial Pearl Harbor! It came on a ship called CB750!
The Japanese undercut British brands in a trade war.. Consumers chose the cheaper bikes.. This is a proven tactic, once you kill off the competition you start to increase your prices making the actual perpetrator s killing the industry look like the public through choice..
The British gov have never really supported British industry in a way to stop these take overs.
@@blackswan8651 Japanese bikes and cars just worked! European manufactures got their ass kicked and had to chance.
Most people buy cars like washing machines and see them as an household apliance.
If your neighbour drives without problems in a cheaper foreign car and you have starting problems with your domestic car you buy foreign also the next car.
The running and maintenace cost are important for the average user
if a domestic car is more expensive to buy but the quality is verry good and running,maintenance cost are lower people keep buying them.
Sadly the english workers was to busy striking and drinking beer!!
Give us five maybe 10 years then we'll be ready...27 years later and we're still not ready... ouch!
They are ready, but they make money with gas and diesel engines, as long as it goes,,, electric cars stays in work desk and when time comes they going to production
They're planning to keep selling ICE cars for the next 20 years, and probably plus 20 more to maintain those still being driven on the roads.
Anyone wanting to start today doing business with ICE cars is safe for the next 40 years... until retirement really!!
Hau derrr you? You've stolen our fyuchah!
The industry is allowing the banks to run them out of Businesses .a smart person would recognise to make the markette more attractive is reduceing the price to be more affordable not price themself out the markette after all they not doing any profit sharing ..so where is the problem why cant they reduce there. Price .its not like a piece of realEstate where the price gose up after u buy a car the price drop dractically like you tesaring ur money and toss it away..Benz need to leaRn somthung from CHINA
And they are still using 2030 and 2050 targets. Please.
I admit not watching it till the end.
What bothers me is Norway selling oil and subsidizing electric mobility. This is kinda hypocritical
They have oil, and they want EV's. So they sell one and buy the other...
No, world needs oil for many things, ever country needs to make money.........
Don't be bothered. Germans will buy that oil, because they don't want to be depending on Russia :) They are even ready to pay twice the price. No wonder Norway has enough money to move on EV.
Why hypocritical?
@deee327ify Yup, Ironic is a better word.
I am both surprised and proud of the work DW did here. They are a German media outlet however they don't take side in this discussion to propagandize their own car industry. As far as I can see they literally talked to any person they could reach in authorities to hear their opinions. Objective approach, transparent look and good work DW
It is more a critique on government and the auto industry and a warning that they are falling behind.
Exactly what the press is supposed to do. Expose the ones who are not performing as they should.
All that stuff is free for now but, once everyone has an electric vehicle all those fees will be right back. Someone has to pay for bridge and road maintenance unless they hit everyone with higher taxes...which I'm sure they will do.
@Daan Made in Holland dam right. Everyone will be paying higher electric prices even if they don't drive.
19:25 - This whole interview pretty much sums up the attitude of much of the legacy car industry and government regulators in many countries - "Everything will be fine, just ignore that sinking feeling. Our ship IS NOT sinking. Ignore the flooding, that's perfectly normal."
Elon Musk and Tesla made the idea of self-driving electric cars seem "desirable." The future ( if there is to be a future) does not include CARS! Innovative or not it's like calling for clean coal! Excellent and innovative public transportation system and we'll designed cities are the future. Nature and technology working symbiotically. Not the "ignore air/water/soil polluting systems" we now have!
XD
Titanic mentality go on regardless we are unsinkable
@@kiwi123467 and than iceberg came and say who the hell are you you are going down
Germany is finished. Compensation for the most polluting vehicles which hid emissions on purpose could bankrupt the German car industry.
German don't have error culture. I work in SW development and sometimes they drive me mad.
could you give an example?
GLOBAL PROBLEM #BUZZOFFTOXIC
Survive? Yes. On the same business model of the last decades? I highly doubt it...
What exactly is wrong with their business model? I think they make rather good profit. I'm pretty sure the German brands will be around for quite some time.
@kkthxk I was merely hinting at the prospect of electric vehicles taking over the majority of the auto industry in the next 2-3 decades, which due to its (electric) nature, might very well need a different business model approach...
@kkthxk Yes, you are right, German automakers will probably need to make electric cars as sweet as popsicles... people will even want to lick them because they're that good!! :P
@@brokenmotorwagen1328 The margins are dropping fast and dealers are stuck with vast numbers of unsold inventory which is bankrupting dealerships daily. The biggest weakness is the current industry that is dying was dependent on churning the market by yearly obsoleting their own products and relying on customers buying new models every couple of years because of new features or looks. Now that cars are computers with wheels, model year is not important but the version of the software is. With Tesla building their cars as just one of their profit centers, they can make more money by NOT obsoleting their cars with their free or paid updates over the air. Buyers love that, their 5-6-year-old car has the features of new ones. But Tesla built the power storage system, charging stations and power generation profit centers and now insurance and leasing. That means Tesla has a continuous income stream from cars sold in the past. They do not have to obsolete their car on purpose like the legacy companies have to. A dealer makes more during the life of the car from legacy brands, not the factory. A model S has a life expectancy of 1 million miles so why keep buying new cars when the old one has the same updated features every couple of months while you are sleeping?
Customers understand this new model of car ownership but legacy companies have management that only knows the old model and that is why the existing companies are all going out of business, their skills are no longer relevant but they run the companies.
@@brokenmotorwagen1328 net profit fallen billions in decades ,only turnover up the costs to build cars today because Of Government & Union leaders
China’s electrification of cars started decades ago with construction of hydro electric dams to produce clean electricity (clean meaning no CO2 emissions ). Making electric cars is the last step for China.
Every other country starts with
making EVs, not thinking where to get clean electricity.
75% of electricity in US is generated by burning coal and gas.
Yet naive public thinks electric cars using that electricity are clean.
Norwegian government imposed 100% duty on ICE cars and removed duty on EV. Would any sane person pay 65k for a VW Golf or buy a Tesla
for the same money?
Norwegians are hypocrites. They promote EVs at home but sell their oil abroad to fund their fancy policies and make themselves feel better than other countries.
This thing about EVs is more political than something that really wants to save the world.
@Vorraboms Thats just it, it's all about making mega money and controlling the masses in electric cars the power station is the engine.
@@pixy8897 how do you think "political"
sorry, but tell me how ICEs are cleaner than EVs? You can't make a convincing argument that supports that flawed thinking...
maybe the electricity generated in order to power EVs is not "clean" but it damn sure is better than having to extract oil, refine it and transport it to all the gas stations! Electricity only needs cables in order to be transported. Those are fixed costs you have to only implement ONCE.
And btw, EVs eliminate pollution in the cities and concentrate the source of their energy in one location (the power plant that generates electricty). This is preferable - to have one concentrated source of pollution on one location far from urban areas than having a lot of pollution sources driving around.
Chinese hydro-electric plants are more dangerous to the environment than combustion engine cars.
If governments want faster adaptation of EV, they should build the infrastructure for it. Nobody wants to be limited in how far or remote they want to drive because they might not be able to to charge their car.
Other EU countries are more advanced: you may charge let's say an electric Jaguar or the Tesla while parked on the street.
The French have proposed other alternatives: simply to change the battery. You are letting the discharged one to be charged and simply replace it with a charged battery. Also a Rent-A-Car system like the cities' bikes. You let the discharged car in the garage and take another one.
Weve owned electrics for 3 years. Our initial concerns were overblown. Never ran out of electricity. Charge at home nightly. 150 miles for $3. Added solar system which makes charging free. Drive 900 to 1100 miles per month. Ironically the initial money came from the VW tdi settlement money!
And how are you going to build electric Trucks that are going to haul 80000 lbs on a weak electric engine? In the US majority of goods come by truck. Also, what are you going to do about electric car batteries that are not environmentally friendly, mined in the Congo by blood and children?
Bob Quigley that’s not enough charge to go cross country
@@TKUA11 perhaps a Switzer may correct me but I believe they are transporting the big trucks on special trains. So the trucks don't need to drive long time on routes.
If there already are electric planes and electric boats there will also be electric trucks.
Who is mining in Bolivia? Also children?
"No one comes close" ? I've owned German cars and Japanese cars,and in my experience,the Japanese vehicles have been more reliable.
Well,the japanese cars are still more reliable than Tesla but that doesnt mean their cars are more technologically advanced!
@@djprojectus Well poor people think only about reliability when talking about cars but the real truth is that japanese cars were best in quality but 20 years ago, today all cars are less reliable.
@@overtaxed3628 Yeah,you are right.
The German cars have become more advanced the last few years. For example, the German 2020 models are way better than Japanese 2020 models.
@@essel23fly Honda and Toyota can be 10 times more reliable then any german car but with that childish design they have nowadays I would never buy one.
If today's prices represent reality... at a small crisis they will colapse
yep the world economy is cheap autos not vw
So...how do the plans for Tesla opening a new Giga factory in Berlin impact Germany's future?
Just accelerating the inevitable
1990: The end of internal combustion is nigh!
2000: The end of internal combustion is nigh!
2010: The end of internal combustion is nigh!
Germany: yawn.
@Fred Fernackerpan Man made Global Warming is a SCAM......however I will be buying an EV, a Tesla, not because of Co2 but because they are so much better than any ICE vehicle!
1890: The end of internal combustion is nigh!
Belgian car maker (the best in the world at the time)
@Fred Fernackerpan Sounds like just natural weather/climate variation to me. New York City was once under a giant sheet of ice. Now it's not. But it's not because anything mankind did.
If you look at adoption rates of new technology since the 1900's, the rates have shortened exponentially. Hence smartphone market penetration happened in a very short time. The same will happen too EV's. 2023 is the crossover point where worldwide sales of ICE is overtaken by EV sales.
Two comments here.
Number 1 : Well no, the internal combustion engine will not completelly disappear. There will still be some applications where it may continue to be used, but in most cases it will be replaced by electric motors., and
Number 2 : the change to electric vehicles is taking place, not just because EVs are better, but because instead of paying in Germany from $ 7 to $ 9 dollars for the galon of gasoline, you will only pay in electricity anywhere from 2/3 to 1/2 of that. It makes all the economic and financial sense in the world.
In addition to this, the engines that Tesla uses in the Model 3, last for 1, 000, 000 miles without requiring major repairs.. no ICE car beat that...
We want vehicles we can live in because landlords and banks have made housing unaffordable.
Lol 🤣
that's why you won't be able to afford a car in the future. you'll be only able to lease it
They will tax you while you sleep.
If you can’t afford the accommodation I am offering, the place is not for you. Go live in the countryside, peasant. I already live there. Yours truly, a landlord.
You need to rethink things
Have you noticed the excellent standard of spoken English in this documentary? 👍
English May not be the Mother Tongue of many, but those one of us who can speak or even attempt to speak, read or write broken or Wrong English...it's a TALENT...!!👍
Apart from the French, many Europeans would be multi-lingual.
But native english speakers are less likely to acquire that skill.
Do you think it’s a German guy here? Normally you can hear if it’s a german guy.
@@manupanu4812 it's a soros paid individual with very low morals...
@@abba3629 You can always tell an American they are mono language.
Running on empty is definitely a remarkable documentary! I truly did appreciate it so much. Thanks a lot for sharing! Keep it up!
I'm with you
it's not bad, but all they do is repeat the same sentence for 30 minutes. We got it, Germany is behind. Anything else?...
I find the title "Running on Empty" ironic as that's not a problem with gasoline engines but it is a problem with electric cars as you have to find a compatible charging outlet somewhere and wait around until it's charged. It's fine if you live in a small city and can plan for it but if you want/need to ability to travel more, you cannot afford the inconveniences of electric. Not to mention batteries tend to not last nearly as long as engines.
@@Bristecom planning it's all in planning
@@DanOneOne Yep, very one sided.
I am a Chinese, my English is not very good, the following is translated with translation software.
I changed a BYD electric car half a year ago. Now it costs about 120 yuan a month. It used to cost 1500 yuan. Maintenance is about 200 yuan at a time. It used to cost 600 yuan.
@Moto Z Play No, those are American and Korean
Tesla is the most popular electric vehicle in China. There are also several brands of electric vehicles in China, all of which have caught fire. But BYD has not caught fire at present. No, it should be said that no one caught fire because of battery.
The use of VPN was initially for the job needs of foreign employees. Later, it gradually expanded. The government did not openly but privately prohibit it. According to the statistics of 2017, there are 70 million people using VPN to access the network outside the wall in China. Now there may be 100 million people using VPN.
G China the problem its battery! We don’t have clean battery. Do you know how polluted it is to make battery!?
@@joez804 who cares solong we can drive its good.
Imagine a car that is so quiet you fall asleep while driving 😁
They have solution you can custom make roaring engine noise ... for that reason and other that pedestrian law can hear you ... sound cheesy but it works it’s out there
imagine a car so quiet it wont kill you when you leave its' engine running in the garage
XD
Hold on to your core value, not your things. Things get replaced. Core value upholds you!
Sounds good, but what exactly do you mean context wise? (No front man, I'm just no getting what you are trying to say. Pls explain)
B H that is what nasi sed for a long time now....😉
Said the person who likely doesn’t have things and has never had things
Norway is a bit of a special case. The hydro power generation grid is enormous. Couple this with an excruciatingly high cost of living and it makes it much easier to manipulate markets and invest in the required infrastructure. That and of course it only has around 5 million people!
Hydro power killed the wild salmon. A healthy source of food. Traded for cheap electricity. One day they will have regrets.
You forgot to mention the huge amounts of money Norway makes with oil exports...
@@nstl440I was not aware of that. I can understand but I live in Australia so that topic would never appear in our media.
There is something no one talks about: where does the electricity come from? In most countries, it comes from fossil fuel power plants and nuclear power plants. It is just take pollution to areas outside the cities.
Well since cities are where people mostly live, that's still a net positive. Btw an average electric car, in an average European country, can be kept charged by just 10 square meters of solar panels.
Hydro, solar, bio, natural gas...there's plenty of it to go by. More and more countries are building renewable energy.
One big power plant for many cars is still better than millions of mini power plants in each car.
@@Kevynbui, I would like to know what studies you are basing your comment. Thank you
@@tybofborg Even if that was true(10 square meters will give 3kwh per hour in perfect sun, which is from 9 in the morning, till 16 in the perfect sunny summer day, and any other time, night, winter, rainy day - they will give fuckall) Still, how much time would those 10sq meters take to charge? Also, just multiply those 10sq meters by cars in europe... We would have to invade Africa and cover it with panels to "fuel" our cars. But what to do with trucks, planes and ships? Still fossil? Just forget them and live the land, like 300 years ago? Do you realize that what we call "cars" produces insignificant amount of pollution compared to the entire industry of transportation? And then there is all of the rest of industries...
Update comment....until a month ago ALL taxis in Berlin were Mercedes, now they are suddenly nearly all Toyota hybrids.
All the Americans commenting here like Tesla is a huge player in the industry. It is still very very very small compared to the German giants.
Tesla is aiming to make 300k vehicles in 2019. VW group alone makes about 11million.
And yet they single-handedly manage to buck the trend and push the auto industry past the tipping point, where everyone (but the Germans) wants to go Electric, and the world begins to accept that Electric is the future. Had they not done that, make no mistake, there would be no narrative around Electric cars today. It's not about who makes the most cars, rather about how we get the ones who make the most cares, to make electric ones.
And VW was responsible for diesel gate by intentionally rigging emissions. I will never buy a VW for that reason alone along with millions of others.
tesla is the king of evs at the moment. seems odd not to mention them at lest once
If German car industry goes down, all the Europe will sufer. I come from Slovenia which makes a lot of parts for Car companys.
sky works good! They ought to go down for making shitty, over engineered, over priced cars that are unreliable as heck.
kkthxk no amount of chest thumping and self-aggrandising is gonna make Europe a prosperous powerhouse again. What’s more, with the EU and liberalism (responsible for generating all this wealth in the past 5 decades) is gonna be replaced by rivalries once more. Only now, new countries are taking the stage, right dead centre. The age of Europe is about to finish.
@kkthxk No, Europe is done, they just have not acknowledged it yet. Since all the countries are tied to the same currency despite the wide range of economic development, the common currency has really hurt all the smaller exporting countries and they have no options or self-determination since they are ruled by Brussels at the whim of Germany and France. The euro-zone prohibition of running a deficit means weaker countries have to cripple themselves with austerity measures that prevent them from making any adjustment or be in a position to benefit from improving conditions. The common currency worked when there was good growth but the inability to decrease the value of a local currency to promote trade means 1/2 the countries in the EU have suffered dramatic drops in quality of life while France and Germany, as exporting countries, reaped the benefits. But even Germany is in recession with the key bank insolvent so about the only way for most of the smaller countries to survive is to drop out of the EU. Greece should have years ago, they are really screwed. No, the EU is failing, the experiment in one ruling body unaccountable to the people ha produced major blunders. The shift of the center of the economic center of the universe has sped up to the East. The German car industry self-destructing due to arrogance and habit is the final stray. The people seem to have a sense of impending doom but some are vocal saying they are the strongest economy....while not understanding the reality of their fate. Will it break up into war as countries try to break out of the EU? It might be the case, look at how hard it has been for the UK to get out. Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Hungary and others will probably be next. I spend just infrequent of time in the EU to easily see the shifts in mood and fear. Those are real. I live 65 miles from the EU and it is pretty obvious from observation when an experiment has gone awry. The big push for a European army is a pretty good sign Brussels think force is going to be needed to keep the unhappy countries in line. Wars are pre-ordained by such actions
@kkthxk Yeah, but the problem is - once the social systems in europe will collapse (which will be the only way europe would go out of socialism, because the leftist european governments will never do it voluntary) then you will have civil war, because of all the young migrant men who are fully dependent on social benefits - so there would be no basis for a capitalistic uprising like for example, the american people were allowed to experience (larely because the americans were a white homogeneous society back in the days with "healthy" birth rates, which europe or lets be more specific, the most important economical countries in europe like Germany, France or the scandinavian countries are not anymore!
But then again, civil war will come either way, because the the social state in europe as a whole will collapse because of the negative demographics from white europeans - who don't get enough children anymore, thus getting replaced by more and more non-whites, who will extract more money from the system - then to paying it back in = the system will collapse on its own...after that you will have neither socials nor a capitalistic uprising but a third world hellhole with high crime and bad infractructure, because all the last white europeans with high skills will have left for "silicon valley", austrialia, canda or new zealand, due to high crime and high taxes in the first place...
@@stanspb763 tldr: Many words with lots of standard Kremlin propaganda.
This is a seriously good documentary and I truly hope my German neighbors take it seriously !!
One of the baddest documentary! You show that BMW bring the E1 and you maybe forgot the I3 or the i8 ( these are cars that run on the street and in your documentary!) and you show at Geneva the EQV or the electric V Class and the only thing is you say “it s not ready for the market” and after this clip you show the GLE 53 AMG like a wrong direction, but maybe you forget to show the EQC! That car was also launched at this show and it is/was ready for the market and also completely ELECTRIC !!!
Whole vid without showing or mentioning a Tesla? Germany is definitely scared!
You do know that big Tesla factories are opening or starting in China and Germany?
My thoughts exactly. Good documentary but its not Chinese cars taking over market share in Europe. Its Tesla.
Same thought here 😀, they don't even want to say the word Tesla who brought the revolution.
At some points the narrator was driving a Tesla. But yeah, I don't recall anyone mentioning the company at all.
They're afraid of the T-word in Germany.
They are the only ones with the kind technology that can build electric cars that can actually sell.
"Does that mean I'm against Democracy ?"
NO. IT MEANS I LOVE MONEY!
😂😂😂😂
Money love is a cancer....
I caught that one too. he looked the part too
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Dont you think it is a bit ironic that Norway subsidies its electric cars with money from its big oil reserves ??
True fact ..
Lg G3 - It sure is. They are just exporting their carbon foot print to other countries which produce its cars. The carbon foot print for the production of electric cars is higher, from what I have read, particularly the batteries.
Being Norwegian. Everything here is Ironic
It's all a big scam. Look into the ACER-debate going on right now.
Basically Norwegian politicians are selling the resources we have, for the benefits
They subsidies the electric cars with money from their soveregin wealth fund which is one of the worlds largest investor company, true the fund was created with oil money + norwegian oil production peaked in 1993 (42000 metric tons) and their currenly produce half of that amount like in the 1980 (22000 metric tons).
They are paying over $15,000 per ton of CO2 avoided. It is wild how they are spending money on an interesting experiment. I am curious how they maintain as they phase out the subsidies.
Interesting times for sure. I can hardly wait to see what is next.
Transmutation
Pretty interesting asmost DW programmes usually are. A bit surprised that there's no mentioning Japanese automakers whatsoever
The entire piece came across as extraordinarily arrogant. Everyone saying how the German auto industry is the best (with no mention of how expensive they are), yet there was no mention of Japanese or Korean manufacturers and barely just a hint of a mention of US manufacturers.
As a german I'm very upset to live surrounded by the past. Germany needs to move on now and admit that we've lost the car war.
A reasonable electric car is still e x p e n s i v e. We need something really revolutionary in the Battery Tech. domain.
The incentive system will make them common for city driving. Most Chinese live in small to moderate cities, they already are running around on electric scooters, the car will come next. It is because most Chinese probably drive less than 50km a day, which fits real well in the electric vehicle model. Electric cars are more difficult in sprawling cities and more mobile economies where the cars range is regularly tested.
Edwa , I’m happy to say your wrong:-)
Do some research of your own....the 35k ev in my driveway confirms it!
Canyon Racer you have answered your own question 35k for an electric vehicle!
Ridiculous price for poor technology
With the scale things are happening in China, prices will come down. There is no doubt about that. And there will be cars of any kind, and they will also specifically develop for export. Its allready very late for European industry I guess.
False, tons of $40k sedans sell. Their prices will also fall used. The only thing limiting EVs is charge speed and access to chargers. Tesla addressed this from day one, no one else wants to spend money on chargers.
Maybe I'm missing something. Most power plants run off of coal. How is that any better than using oil?
That is no longer true. Coal is on the way out.
@@jemezname2259 what's going to replace it. Nuclear? Not exactly a great alternative. Wind and solar won't do it
Coal power plants, or any fossil fuel power plants for that matter, have way higher energy efficiency than any Internal-Combustion-Engine, i.e. with the same amount of CO2 produced, power plants generate way more meaningful energy, whereas petrol/diesel engines turn about 80% of it into heat and waste that away, which is meaningless and dum
the conclusion being, even considering all the environmental impact of mining for Li, making Li-ion battery, electricity production and manufacturing/disposing of electric cars, electric cars are still better for the environmental no matter where your electric comes from
What’s most important is it makes the leftist loons feel better
The "Dieselgate" has cost the German giant automaker a lot . The only way to save that industry is to go electric vehicle.
Percentage of Electric cars sold per year:
Norway 65%
Germany 7%
Australia 0.2%
Model 3's here now that should start to change.
A lack of a charging infrastructure in Australia is holding back EV adoption over here. Also Australians drive long distances. I live in Kalgoorlie and regularly drive 600km to Perth without having to refuel along the way. I currently can't drive that distance in an EV without having to stop somewhere and plug in overnight.
@@michaelwade7533 You my friend are the 1% in Australia that EV's at present are not suitable as a normal car. But here on the east side of Australia I live in a rural town where the shopping trip is a round trip of over 3hr driving and hoping to get a Model 3 soonish. Will charge up at home mostly and on the occasional run to Melbourne or Sydney plenty of super chargers, although technically with a long range I can make either without charging.
As by far the most people live in cities EV's are really the logical car for most people. But yes we need to get moving with improving the infrastructure.
@Michael Wade Yes that is one of the two issues that prevent mass takeup of EVs, the other being price. But a Tesla supercharger for a Model 3 or the coming Tesla model Y or Ute would charge you up to about 80% in 20-30 minutes at the halfway 300km mark.
You're a fan of petrol and diesel cars are you Max? You like Aussie vehicles to be running on petroleum imported mainly from the Middle East? Or do you own a petrol station? The issue is one of clean air in our cities as well as energy security. If Trump decides to start a war in the ME over Iran then Australia's reliance on imported fuel is a liability. EVs can be powered from electrons made locally from coal, gas, sun and wind, all of which we have plenty of. It's bizarre that there is such government resistance to EVs.
The reporter misses a very important thing. Who is going to make batteries for the EVs.? Battery is the key part as the combustion engine. I have not heard any battery manufacturer in Germany.
BMW makes batteries in Dingolfing, Bavaria
the german goverment has setted up a battery reserch Center and plant recently, so it means, it will be fucking ridiculous to critize China in ther future or not?
Bosch
VW has asked Northvolt to build a battery plant for them in Germany.
Seems like it is you who are missing important things ;-)
Gigafactory Berlin is coming !
One of the most sincere presentation, pls keep making this informative and the real fact for us DW.
I don't think the German car industry will never lose its ability to compete with the world market.
However. the American car industry is not doing well at all. considering the nearly 55-60 % of the cars sold in the US are either Japanese or german.
Germany had the opportunity to work with Tesla but that opportunity is closing ....... Hope politics do not ruin Germany's auto future.
What interestt does Telsa have in saving German jobs? 0
@@timmurphy5541 maintaining German jobs allows Tesla to sell cars to German workers.
Our "auto future" will be our least problem, believe me...
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Why is that?
Tesla is already dead
German Engineering: Finding solutions to problems that we never had, making something simple so over complicated and expensive. Well done.
but if you love cars and you have the money for them you buy a german car- simply because its the best :)
He lives in the mountains, he has a bike no cars needs...go fishing
@@Alex-zg7vq I have money because I DONT have a German car. No way in hell.
Prosperity can be fleeting when your economy relies on being a net exporter, and a huge amount of your exports are of one thing (e.g., cars). The coming years will be interesting for Germany, even for Japan and South Korea.
The coming years will indeed be *very* interesting for Germany, but the car industry will have almost nothing to do with it!
The grills on the new BMWs are MASSIVE.
Yes..looks ridiculously absurd
Those people working in marketing believe that you buy an image, not a car.
yea, looks ugly.
Just on the high hp sports cars, it’s actually functional
Western Union had a chance to buy the patent for the telephone - they saw no use for it
IBM thought no one would ever have a computer in their home
Microsoft thought handheld devices were a fad
Blockbuster Video saw no use in buying Netflix
Kodak, invented the digital camera.... then after inventing put it away. Later they died from that invention.
Nokia thought Android would not work, look at Samsung making big huge profits on it now.
Porsche now bought 15% of Rimac, VAG Group is now making a huge mistake by not just buying WHOLE Rimac.
if this is the future why is Tesla struggling to make it and has to take subsidies??
1. Customers don't like the limited range
2. Long time to recharge
3. Electricity can be more expensive than petrol/gas
4. The price of the car is not worth the gas savings
Classic one sided Liberal propaganda for uneducated. How do you make electricity? Burning coal, natural gas, or nuclear. Electric car and batteries production, maintenance, and disposal cost much more than you will safe on gas and at the end will produce more CO2 gases than regular combustion engines.
add Kodak, they had a digital camera prototype in the 80's but did not develop it seeing no future in there
these comments just show the stupidity of the people once again. do you all realize that out of the 4 of the top 20 companies that spend the most on r&d are german car manufactures and suppliers? vw on 3, daimler on 11, bmw on 18, bosch on 20. if you guys really think that they didnt invest enough on new engines i would recommend you to do some research...
If you don't Innovate, You end up like Kodak, Xerox, BlackBerry, Bethalham Steel Industries ((Largest Steel Company, now extinct)), Kmart, Sears, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Toys R Us, Concorde and the List goes on....!!
Question is why do companies need to exist forever? It's ok for companies to cease and go bust right? Humans can innovate and contribute to the planet without a company to capitalize on humankind doesn't it? Now ask yourself have your life sucked more since Kodak, Xerox, Blackberry or the others mentioned go bust? ( Unless you are an employee or shareholder of the said companies )
You forgot Blockbuster
Who's next?
@@bluto212
Nokia?
Atari 🕹
The Norwegians don’t want fossil fuel cars but still profit from oil.
Hypocrites.
Bravo ! Also EV-s make sense in Norway since they get electric energy from hydroelectric dam power stations. But Norway is small country with small number of citizens so in terms of energy it is irrelevant!
What kind of polluting car do you drive mate ?
Oil has many uses besides gasoline. Would you rather have Norway not use it's natural resources to shift towards to positive?
Socialism there won't work when the Oil use is reduced. Socialism is fail. Capitalism for the win every time!
@@radwizard capitalism taken in its purest form means private roads, ie restricted or tolls - every where, private armies... etc. I'm willing to bet that you are an American, and that you enjoy the benefits of socialist type policies every day without even knowing it.
The countries voted the best places to live are all semi socialist - free education, free healthcare, generous unemployment benefits. Wouldn't you want your country to be near the top of the most desirable places to live list ?
Norway is so ahead of the game. It's not that hard, put in place the proper incentives and programs...and the transformation will happen. That's leadership.
Blaming the consumer is also what Nokia did. Good luck with that. You will need it :)
Lol. Good example. Hero to zero
That's why Norway now 1st for the change.
I see your smoke in my rearview camera from my Tesla.
Really informative. Thanks! Great to see a state broadcaster using its resources to educate.
For me there is still a question that i cannot find answer - from where will we have enough Lithium to make all the batteries we need for a world that is 100% on electric cars? And what will be like for this planet ... cause extracting Lithium is highly disruptive for environment. As long as we don't find a better alternative for batteries i think that shifting to electric cars is not feasible and it could be even worse for the planet then combustion engines.
lithium pollution is much more point source that's why I like it but I still agree with you
I’m curious what people are going to do when there isn’t enough materials to produce enough batteries and the price forces the bottom 90-95% of people to forego ever having a vehicle.
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I love how you all conveniently left out TESLA.
I don't get it... like it will matter anything when people are researching EV's... 🤦♂️
Luis M Even BMW sells more electric vehicles than Tesla does.
Tesla is a small player on the global scale. The new big players will all be Chinese.
tesla isnt from Germany.
@@sebastianr1204 Wut? Source?
9:25 curious how the government smog checks did not catch the diesel scam.
They just programmed the cars to emit less when stationary, ie when performing emissions tests.
They employed a "defeat device". They basically had a part that would actually work, but only for a short amount of time and at great cost. They installed this part, but it would only engage when the wheels were stationary, just as the previous commentor mentioned.
The manufacturers placed a detection mechanism that triggered lower emissions when being checked. Basically in any lab environment.
It was 3 researchers who drove a diesel car across the US that first detected the anomaly and dug deeper.
The Germans may rail against other countries with lax enforcement, however they missed this via a wide mark due to the power of the manufactures.
Its not abouth smoke ore abouth economi and efficentsy. Ev is efficent and cost just the price of petroleum to pr km. To have new.
The problem was largely masked because although the cars were apparently becoming cleaner, at the same time more people were changing to diesel. Even with the two variables changing simultaneously air quality tests in the UK showed the air was getting worse despite cars being replaced with newer models that had 'passed' emissions tests. The thing that bothers me (apart from the air pollution) is that the EU fines us for having polluted air yet it was polluted by diesel cars where the manufacturer was deceiving the customers. I don't believe our government or the customers are culpable here because they were knowingly mislead. The culprits are the manufactures yet the victims have been fined for the dishonesty of the manufacturers. We should be reimbursed for the fines we received and it should come from the manufacturers pocket. With that money perhaps we can install charging stations.
Most people who drive Hybrids in Norway do it for tax reasons ,they don't even bother to charge the car they just drive on petrol.
Well said. Another reason why this documentary is shit.
Nope . Combustion engine cars still far from extinction. and most of car enthusiast hate Ev . Long live V8 !!
love V8
Why no details about BATTERY factories and FUEL producers ?
In my opinion they keep the ELECTRIC cars so EXPENSIVE and in low STOCKS !
Tiny KWh batteries in the i3. Very limited in range.
@Raw Engineer So what will remain are the Uber's of this world.
But: self-driving electric fleets.
I am now regretting buying my 2017 combustion-engine car...thinking its longevity would last 10+ years. Now, I hope it becomes irrelevant tech as cheaper electric cars come along. This doc has made me change my views. I hadn't realized how much progress has been made.
Sell whilst it's still new. Then, in say 2 years, buy electric. Market will be more diverse with better prices
i expect you can keep it 10 years without driving bans
@@Jj-gi2uv yep full of electric scooters everywhere
Check out the resale value of electric cars verse gasoline.
@@billy77511 hear hear ))
Cars are evolving. Just like the smartphone, people now seem to prefer user interfaces over performance. Car lovers like me are a dying breed...just like manual transmissioned internal combustion vehicles.
Have you ever driven a tesla? What is this "performance" you are talking about?
Tucsonan Dude as much as i like manual transmission but automatics are the future we have to deal with it
If you want performance you'd be driving a Tesla.
Tesla has crazy acceleration but the parts on the car are not as high quality as bmw or mercedes.. i own a model s and do love it but i've noticed the difference tho to those german cars..
I think you’re missing the context of Tucsonan Dude’s statement. As a fellow enthusiast I can relate as he’s referring to that man-machine connection that comes with driving an internal combustion vehicle equipped with a manual transmission. It’s less to do with practicality (and even ‘performance’) and more to do with the visceral joy of that connection.
Cars are evolving strictly into a transportation appliance. Once automated personal transportation concepts become fully implemented, driving will become a relic.
I wish they would have talked about the BMW I3 and I8 and the Mercedes Smart Electric which i drive.
I live in Orange County, CA. Teslas are starting to displace Mercedes and BMW on a really surprising level around here, but I would never underestimate German engineering skill and brand loyalty as a force to be reckoned with.
@desertdetroiter Well, i think ypu Mercedes, BMW,Porsche and AUDI are the best carmakers in the world. They are always reliable and very well build. The problem here is the price. Why should i buy a very qualitive VW Golf, when i can just buy 2 Toyota Yaris for the same price. Not the quality of the german cars is the problem, its the price
@desertdetroiter in my opinion quality = reliability
... Nothing like revolving lease payments.
My 2010 Mercedes C 300 Sub-Frame rusted right thru ! Thanks Daimler, I will Never buy a car from your company again ! Now I have a $45,000 junk pile.
@coffeeinthemorning Would you be happy ?
The UK had a massive share in the car market in the 50's and 60's, Then the German's and others came out with more reliable and cost effective alternative's. I do hope Germany can catch up with the rest of the world in EV's.
They will, but they're slow.
Asking a horse shoe maker to switch to fabrication of tires in the 1900....insane...in the future everyone will still need a horse.
Right
Maybe those tires are highly poisonous and expensive , and will benefit the rich than the middle class
Horses constantly dumped all over the streets, few people back then were trying to keep horses around for any sort of transportation.
Obviously the basic concept was complicated for bare reasoning. The horse shoe maker is the German auto industry. The horse shoe maker cares not if the horses crap the streets or if they are unwanted by popular demand. Equally, the German auto industry cares not if it’s “CLEAN” combustion engines are a topic of pollution, or are by popular demand, steadily losing ground to battery powered engines. They hedge on their past successes of glory, and viably rebuke a future of a new dawning.
Combustion engines were firstly owned by the rich, but now our days, are owned by middle class and the below middle class. It is called “Economies of Scale”.
Why isnt Tesla mentioned here . . He single handedly is the biggest threat to the auto industry and the oil countries . .
The Japanese and Koreans make less expensive and more reliable combustion engine cars. Maintenance costs on a German combustion engine car will bleed you dry!
Music Man Modern German cars become endless money pits after a minimum of 5 years or 100k miles! 💩
German dream Chinese put up with their priceless money-pits... when all they need is articulated buses to carry massive flow of people.
German selling individual cars to Chinese is like Deutch selling bicycles in the swiss mountains... not going to happen, mismatched!
You say that as the CRV is banned in China and consumer reports tell Americans to not buy it due to piston ring failure and Honda not honoring guarantees. Toyota are having valve issues or something. A German car will have issues with its coil packs or toyota made a/c compressor and everyone keeps talking about how unreliable they are for 15 years. The real truth is if you have a german car the mechanics assume your rich and make up fake issues like charge you $10k for new turbos when the car has no smoke just a drop of oil in the intake.
@@Matt-ne6de No it is not that issue. Even in Europe German cars are the most expensive to maintain (except supercars), and they are just as sketchy when it comes to warranty. BMW made the n47 engine with a timing belt failure and have never admitted it. Replacing the belt was made more difficult because bmw put in in the back of the engine which forced mechanics to take the engine out
Marc Kingdom
Marc you’re wrong. German cars are less reliable than there Japanese counterparts. German cars break down more often and are more expensive to maintain. A study showed BMW as the most expensive to maintain, $17,000 USD to maintain over 10 years. This is pathetic. The reliability and cost effectiveness of Japanese manufactured cars is unmatched.
How is all the electricity produced to charge the cars?
Gridwatch.co.uk
By German Power Plant Technology!
France has the highest number of Nuclear power plants in Europe. Their power is only 40g CO2/ kWh. Germany 500g, UK, Denmark 250g.. So France can do it, and they are. Just planning to flood the market with EVs does nothing without also having massive investment in wind power and other renewables.
In many ways. Coal, wind, solar. You can put solar panels or shingles on the roof of your home today. The beauty is, there are many ways to generate electricity. There is only one way to get your fuel at the pump however. And it ain't pretty.
@@macioluko9484 Then whatever incentives and rebates countries are offering for buying EVs, should include solar or wind shares, to make the development follow the the number of EVs, instead of just increasing the demand for dirty power.
These changes would be catastrophic if done overnight. A gradual change makes much more sense.
These changes are not going to happen over night and not even over decade.
just wait until somone brings the $7,000 brand new, fuel efficient and compact car to Europe and the rest of the world every one is going to forget about those explosive 60 grand electric cars
I know another reality in Norway... People are angry because they are starting to pay more to have an electric car
You have to pay more to end up with a total pile of planned obsolescence trash.
I'll never forget the air-cooled Beetle taxi massacre in Mexico. They told the taxi owners they would get a brand new Nissan Sentra (which was actually a discontinued model from the 80's still being sold there) if they crushed their beetles.
Well probably no more then five months later all of the taxi owners just about formed an angry mob because those horrible little piles of trash were already dropping like flies. They were pissed when they realized the repair bills!! Most of them abandoned the stupid Nissan's where they died and tried to save as many bugs as they could to revamp for taxi use.
All empires fall eventually, and new ones rise!!
Genghis Khan eventually
@@kevintheminion1497 Germans are crazy working people..i live there and i know
Agreed. It cant Fall quick enough. Change or pay the price. We choose the latter.
Yes
@@wuetend9 change to what, the NWO's Utopia? I'm out.
VW with a Swedish company are building a huge factory for car batteries in Germany.
Germany does not like to move forward. The country still likes using cash as their main source of payment, while Scandinavia is pretty much all cashless. Germany closes most of its stores on Sundays, it's very old-school way of living there still. But I still love Berlin :)
Very poor. So many topics left out ... like the Lithium production for batteries.
So what? It is very abundent. Where so you think the crude oil comes from? This also has to be shipped around the globe and refined before it goes to gas stations.
Lithium battaries are the best we´ve got right now, but development doesn´t stop and "soon" (5-10 years) we won't need lithium and other rare earths for even better accumulators. (I hope)
Futher, this dokumentation is about the development of the car industry, and how germany will lack behind asia in the coming years.
That we have to use lithium and other rare earths is a general problem because, as I said, that´s the only cell chemistry that is compettitive right now.
Well not so relevant topic to go into innthis documentary. This is rathet about old mind sets, comfort zones etc. reasons why Germany is loosing to Tesla
In the preface it is mentioned the topic of if EV are environment friendly indeed. The author forgets about his promise to elaborate. So poor! In fact production and disposal of batteries is more poluting than diesel. And in case of China all of those electricity demand will be supplied by coal birning electricity factories. While the most less poluting engine is the combusting engine run on CNG. So these are the facts.
As industry experts already stated its an evolution. Evolution for everybody in the eco system, so it will take time. Tesla is a lab or a bankrupt company. It shows how you just cant front run evolution or production practices mastered for ages.
@Services-bg psssst, please don't insert facts and logic into this! You're destroying the positive thought bubble!
I am sure that so many people ready for electric but their wallet isn't... 😢
Daan Made in Holland hmm, better performance, lower center of gravity, hugely lower cost of ownership, much more simple, reliable drivetrain, instant torque from 0RPM, or big cool noise. Tough choice
Well said, they all cost over 35,000 and with that I can buy a whole lot of car with combustion engines , frankly I don't care. I want the best bang for my buck.
@@snadwitch how's it a tough choice? Petrol has at least a 600 mile range, with the refuel taking minutes. Electric well i think you know the answer to that LOL easy choice,v10 all day..its either bmw or audi.
tj o• most people do not drive over 100km in a day. So it is enough for them to just start the day with a fully charged battery. Also super chargers make long trips easy. Germany car makers are done for. Tesla will dominate china and it's the most important market in the world.
@@MoDa87 sorry mate but a lot of people do do those types of journeys. Some people drive all night and day on trips. Trucks for example they'd need the whole trailer full of battery just to do their trips lol they are fine for cities and local driving but that's about it.
Tesla model 3 best sold car in the Netherlands in 2019 with nearly 30.000 units...
Wel the loading points are killing it now,with high prices.
It needs a bit time for the sunpowered car.
The are now with BMW.
Lots wil laugh on that,but these technisians won already 15 years long al sun powered races.
Just proves these people are rich af
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No mentions of other manufacturers, even the one that plays perhaps the biggest role in the EV growth. (Tesla)
Obvious frequency in saying we are the best, we invented the wheel, we are the biggest car manufacturer. (while actually it's Toyota)
This documentary stood as a bit arrogant to me, although German car engineering is to be admired. I get it. This is a German broadcaster but the description did kinda fix it.
All in all, good informative documentary. Hope it acts as a wake-up call, cause a lot of us here love German cars and it may already be late.
It is a docu about the german car industry specificly. What do you expect?
We still have to move a ton to move a average of 100kg.
This not ecological, neither efficient. The transportation systems should be designed and build globally!
That is why I cycle with my bicycle. And I live in a city, where I work, do the groceries and go out. So I have to use my car a little at possible.'
I also have 2 folding bicycles (one is a trike, minor detail), so I can cycle to the train station, take a train to another city, Amsterdam or the Hague, and there I cycle to my destination.
@@mardiffv.8775 but the solution to be sustainable is global planning so everyone can travel efficiently and safety.
Our problems and solution are technical, not political.
@@Fabrikoooo Partly true, but political will is soooo important. Take my country, the Netherlands, the Dutch have prioritized cycling, but building cycling infrastructure. It took political will, spurred by an oil crisis, energy crisis and 400 children dieing after being hit by a car.
Or take Italy, where cars are forbidden from entering centres of ancient cities, because the cars produce air pollution, which in turn, damage the 2000 year old buildings. Take took political will.
@@mardiffv.8775 politics is an illusion, no knowledge all fantasies. We live in A planet witch is one system.
Author of the video: why not once Tesla was mentioned. It is not relevant to the discussion in this video?
The key to EVs being widely adopted is government mandated standardization of easily replaced battery packs. Roll into a station on E, replace the pack in 5-10 minutes and be on your way. Not 20 different companies making 40 different batteries that take hours to charge or replace. This is necessary to increase the range and allow travel in-between major metropolitan areas. If you operate close to home then you charge there overnight. If you need to travel from San Francisco to Los Angeles then you would access precharged packs along the way. An EV has to do what a gas powered car can do. People won't pay for something that does less.
BrandXsps: Everyone also seems to overlook where the electricity comes from. Most of it is from coal-fired power plants. So they are really coal-powered vehicles... like an old steam engine.
If quick replaceable vehicle batteries (trucks are also important, probably even more than cars) are feasible they could also be used as mains energy storage which can make it easier to transition to less constant output energy sources. However is there enough lithium and cobalt for so many vehicles on earth? Still believe that having 10-20kwh car batteries and 1.5kV overhead electrification on main roads would be cheaper and more environmentally friendly. (most of the time the vehicle is battery powered)
I agree, but having a standardized battery would ultimately lower demand and these car companies would lose money so it won't happen. The auto industry is so important they need to maintain a high level of production to stay afloat - their new cars are designed to have a life expectancy of 7 years, then they get melted down and you buy a new one... not very environmentally friendly huh
"Government mandated" is not the answer to anything. Governments destroy economies with plans like youre suggesting.
Yes and it must be transfered through multiple transformers over hundreds of miles and stored as chemical energy in a battery and them converted back to electricity to operate an electric motor. Energy is lost at every step and theres the problem of extreme heat and cold on the battery the need to control cabin temperature . I don't think batteries are feadsible in a lot of places.
You know I have an old Nissan LEAF. I rented a brand new Mercedes 190 with 900kms on the clock (on a trip abroad). I realised something: outside of a nice steering-wheel-feel and the auto boot opener (kind of cool), the car is actually utter crap in comparison to my simple Nissan LEAF. My LEAF has better luxury feel, better road holding, better response and acceleration, more quiet, smooth etc. All of a sudden I realise that luxury car manufacturers have a serious problem trying to differentiate themselves as a luxury brand.
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In Canada, the Tesla Model 3 outsells BMW, Mercedes and Audi combined in its price category. Surely the writing is on the wall...... yet ....
Is this a Kodak moment?
I work for Mercedes-Benz, they ain't going anywhere.
Perhaps they may keep the market.
They don't go for sure how about you when they reduce the number of workers.
Marian Luc they already reduced everywhere past 3 months, the supplier companies too.
People said that about Kodak
No mention of Tesla even once? Interesting.
It's about the dying of traditional automakers in germany.. of course tesla is the cause of it...
Has Tesla even reported a profit in 10 years?
@@adamjankowski8658 nope,,, so they dont have to pay taxes on the profits. But they did make a ton of money in the stock market.... I think thata where the money is. Stocks... not ev sales
@Trigger Troll it's okay they will come out with something new to pump it back up again
@@jollygreen4662 wtf are you talking about, volkswagen group alone sells like 10 times more than tesla worldwide, then there is also Mercedes and BMW
Within one year I can see lot of changes. German OEMs are launching electric versions in the coming years.Due to covid it got delayed but many are in pipeline.Thats a good news