I've read much of WWII in my years and watched a lot of documentaries. So, at this point there might be a tidbit or two in them I wasn't previously aware of. (Which is why I continue to read and watch.) With this one, the opposite was true. Tidbits I was aware of and much I did not know. I ended up watching it twice. Well done and thank you.
@@maxkorotkov9009 1) The Trial of Pierre Laval By J. Kenneth Brody (2010) (my favourite) 2) Pierre Laval and the eclipse of France By Geoffrey Warner (1968) 3) Pierre Laval: Patriot Or Traitor By Rene De Chambrun (Laval’s son in law) (1984) 4) The Unpublished Diary Of Pierre Laval By Pierre Laval (1948) [Snuck out by his daughter Josee Laval page by page whilst in prison] 5) France On Trial: The Case Of Marshal Petain (2023) By Julian Jackson 6) France - The Dark Years : 1940-1944 By Julian Jackson (2001)
Right? Stop treating me like a child. I’m 45. I’m a veteran. You’re not going to show anything I haven’t already seen and it’s important for the younger folks to have a true understanding of what war is, what tyranny looks like and why we always think twice before entering into a major conflict.
@@TheBizziniss That's ''Wokeness'' for you, The time has come to rule Google as a monopoly that should be broken up! After all, Google is nothing more than an organization run by woke morons who have to please their Chinese Communist overlords!
If you actually read the British naval declaration there was a third option sail under British protection to a neutral port or the French colonies in the Caribbean to wait out the war.
To be even more specific about this video, what many people ignore is that the French police and gendarmes who helped the Nazis arrest and deport 85,000 Jews to France between 1940 and 1944 still exist today. One was created in 1791 and the other in 1941 by the same Vichy government.
What do you mean "the same Vichy government"? The Vichy government didn't survive the war. The police institutions of modern France include none of the people who performed those acts, and they are governed by very different laws.
@@lawsonj39 Are you joking? What do you thinks with all policemen, clerks, customofficers, judges, and other people who were involved with the Vichy goverment? Exactly nothing. Yeah Petain and some others got convicted. But after a few months they just went on like nothing had happened and there was no collaboration and everybody was in the resistance. Even president Mitterand worked for Vichy.
You cannot compromise with evil, talk your way out of it, or do anything to slow it down. You're either a collaborator or you're not. There's no cause to side with evil. All payments come due in the end...
This is only part of the Vichy story . A documentary about French Indo China and agreements with the Japanese would interest many. A lot of events happened before the attack on Honolulu .
Does a person's good deeds out weight their bad? Vice versa? I don't like the blurred images. History, however ugly, should be shown in all its horrors. That way fewer people can deny that something happened. That is also the way to truly show the future generations some of what their ancestors went through. I don't blame the documentarians for that. Their work is very well researched & well presented. The covering up of history's horrors lies solely with YT & this channel. Censorship is a key component of both fascism & communism.
Laval possibly deserved the ultimate criminal sanction for his active collaboration, his traitorous behaviour and his total lack of help for French Jews. However, Laval was not the only senior French collaborator, (Petain was just as guilty as Laval), but somehow Laval became the only scapegoat, while others in Petain’s cabinet, escaped the death penalty. The French justice system should have executed other serious collaborators, but they decided not to hand down any more death sentences. The whole Laval trial was conducted in a shambolic manner, and overall it was an unedifying spectacle. The French public wanted their piece of flesh, so Laval became the sacrificial lamb, while others, just as guilty escaped justice.
Without the active collaboration of the police and civil service any deportations of Jews would have been much harder. Leaders can order, but others DO.
Die Französischen Richter, die Laval erschießen liessen, waren bis zum 6. Juni 1944 selbst Angehörige der vom Vichy-Regime geführten Franzöischen Justiz gewesen und hätten Laval bis dahin niemals verurteilt, sondern nur dessen Feinde. Womöglich hätten sie bis dahin sogar De Gaulle zum Tode wegen Hochverrates an Frankreich verurteilt. Da sie niemals der Vichyregierung angehört hatten, konnten sie nach dem 6. Juni ungeschoren für die Feinde der Nazis und des Vichyregime tätig werden. Ihre antisemitischen Urteile hatten die Sieger sowie die Französischen Widerständler vergessen.
The documentary gives a well-rounded perspective of occupied France. It’s an extraordinary work of covering a massive subject involving two wars, spanning several years, under 60 minutes. Its meticulous work is reflected in the narrative. Thank you British intelligence and the French resistance for your service. I pray for the grace of Lord Jesus on all the soldiers affected in the war. God bless France, Poland, Great Britain and the United States of America for their fight against injustice and tyranny.
France, Britain, Poland, and CANADA were fighting against Germany and losing long before the United States got involved. Roosevelt refused. He even turned down Churchill's plea's for help, telling Churchill that the tanks they sold to England wouldn't be flown to England, but could be manually dragged across the border into Canada for Churchill to get Canada to fly them over. The United States got involved after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, which was after Germany surrendered. Truman was President by then. Canada was right there from the beginning. Canada should be honored as well!
Far more where " in " the resistance after the war than during it. Those marked out as collaborators offten came not from most guilt was, but where was least protection.
The sad thing is that throughout history well meaning people trying to make the best thing of a bad situation may not be as bad as some people make them out. There are are real Quislings in the world. There are also people trying to preserve as much life as possible.
Most of the French welcomed the Germans and their idology. The myth of the French resistance was built at the end and just after the war to rehabilitate the French reputation in the west.
In 1940 there was a common say in Paris... "Better the Germans in Élysée than Albert Lebrun". France was so deeply divided that many would rather accept German occupation than French political opponents in power.
Agree the French were and are today weak people and the sad part is how they treated women who slept with Germans once usa captured the country. Those women kept the country from being ruined to rubble.
Around 40 mins when the chap says “they went to their deaths singing La Marseillaise”. I can’t start to imagine what occupation was like. That comment shows the French weren’t broken, people were a different calibre then.
What is often forgotten is that both Petain and General Weygand, the French C-in-C were being treated for STDs, the medication at that time having the side-effect of gloominess and pessimism. So, that explains their reluctance to inspire or plan resistance!
The (WW1) conflict “deeply affected Laval”. I have read the same comment about Chamberlain. Well, the wars deeply affected everyone involved and impacted by them, but the vast overwhelming majority had to get on with it. I sometimes wonder if we are being treated to a subliminal messaging process, as if “leaders” are somehow far more affected by the carnage than those who actually have to go and fight and live and die in it! There really is no excuse for Laval’s behaviours, terrorising and betrayal of other French people. There really was no excuse (other than greed and stupidity) for the Chamberlain (and labour) years (supported by Churchill) for allowing the country to fall so far behind when Germany was so obviously gearing up for the second half.
@@ChrisCrossClash As I do not believe you are a number (as in 93070) you should not believe I’m French😂😂😂 I’m guessing you really think that men dressed in frocks really are women eh?😂😂😂
Omg! It is absolutely wrong to blur out history!! For generations to come, those experiencing the horror of War through this media we'll find it a thrilling and exciting Adventure rather than a stomach curdling horror! There is a responsibility to reveal that horror irrespective of sensitivities
I know that dude. Jean Borotra. I'm a big tennis fan. The Four Musketeers were a big deal in pre-war tennis. Sort of like today, the pro athletes like to hang out with celebrities. My great uncle was a jazz musician in Europe, kind of a minor celeb. I have a candid photo of at least two of the Musketeers - Borotra and Lacoste - and Suzanne Lenglen, sort of like France's Billie Jean King. They're all hanging out in St. Moritz, winter of like '29, I believe. Need to go back and check that date.
The coverage of Mers El Kabir is so woefully incorrect as to doubt the veracity of the entire production. Embarrassed to say i stopped there and wont finish it. Plenty of other channels i do have faith in
these are French made programmes..??? the British offer was for the French fleet to scuttle, join Britain OR sail to the Bahamas and be put under US control ... the British had seen the French army collapse within days and been forced to evacuate their expeditionary forces .. they were not about to allow the French fleet to fall into German hands - which was real possibility.
This is not "betrayal" quite simply because there were 2 competing worldviews, it's that simple. If half the population is either fascist-like or anti-communist, or anti-liberal, or anti-anglo world order, it's only natural that a neighbor that helps them politically will be seen as liberators. For example, even in the US, the American Revolution (an ideology) was helped by the French ("liberators") against the English (monarchists and "oppressors" as seen by the revolutionaries), and people tend to naturally understand this ideological power struggle, as this is discussed and framed in this way in most documentaries. In regards to WW2 however, propaganda makes sure to spread misinformation about the ideological nature of things. For example, even the french resistance was largely communist and even spaniard communists and anarchists later went to France when the axis was weak to reinforce the resistance -- which didn't correspond to the vast majority of french people, but to liberals and communists. If you weren't one of the later, your political interests and your political representation was in the Vichy regime
German forces began Fall Rot ("Case Red") on 5 June 1940, 14:50 then entered on the 14th of June Paris. 19:20 Winston Churchill demanded Laval hand it over or have it destroyed and Laval under Pepin said no. 19:44 Churchill sank the French Fleet and 20:08 1300 French sailors were killed.
This is propaganda. In June 1940, most expected that Germany would make a quick peace and evacuate its conquests. The Germans were not unpopular in France until September 1940, when people realized the Germans were not leaving. Germany held 1.5 million French POWs. What could Vichy do but bend? They did nt declare war on the Allies, they did not hand the French fleet over to the Axis.
Depend on what kind of the French you're by ideology. If you're a French supporting de Gaulle or the Resistance, then I don't see any problem of treating themselves as victors - the victory of the democratic, liberal coalition (Allies, excluding the Soviet Union) against the despotic, evil league (Axis). Why not a French who supported the Allies could claim themselves part of this victorious union anyway ? Of course, if you ever "collaborate" with Nazis and are not so loyal to the republican, liberal ideologies, then it might be pretty complicated.
@@joshualifetree5398 if Churchill hadn't backed him the whole time. Roosevelt didn't like De Gaulle and didn't want him leading the Free French forces after North Africa was taken. US wanted Darlan, the collaborator admiral - who was unacceptable to Britain. happily a MI6 operation saw him assassinated and De Gaulle became only viable leader.
@@coling3957 It does not matter who led the French resistance they still lost the war and would be speaking German if it were not for the Commonwealth and US troops.
When speeches which were delivered in French by Laval and others, are offered here by voices speaking in English translation as if they had been delivered by the original speakers, we have by means of re-enactment moved by from documentary to docudrama, and this mars its genuineness.
Imagine what a message it would have sent had the collaborator (collaboratress?) Coco Chanel been subject to the same retribution as the women shown at the beginning had...
I think what de Gaulle really meant was to say: France is weak, and although half of us supported the Nazis, the other half saw sense. Thank you Allies for giving us our country back. And thank you Marquis for having the balls the Vichy did not 😂😂😂
Many people don't understand the Vichy government. It is not because people lived in the free zone ruled by the Vichy government that they all supported the Nazis. Most of the French never supported the Nazis. Some supported the Vichy government.
This is unwatchable. Not only the caption is wrong (it's an old doc), but it's blurred all the time. How do we expect our youth to learn anything from our mistakes if we hide it to them ?
@@TarpeianRock Yes I did. If politicians would have to risk their lives in frontlines, we'd have very few wars. Churcill risked his life in multlple wars. Roosevelt was an invalid. He could not walk. Degaulle was a nobody. Arrogant Frenchman only.
During the "epuration" after WW2 the French made a very sensible distinction between "Collaboration" - merely going along to survive, and "Collaborationism" - active support and ideological agreement. Those who did what they needed to survive, and nothing more, were NOT punished. (even those women you see being shaved were generally left alone officially, "personal collaboration" was NOT prosecuted....and of course some of those attacking those women were WORSE collaborators themselves trying to appear to be pure* ) Its very easy for us well fed people in safe nations to criticise ANY level of collaboration... but the French people were put in an impossible situation, not only by the Germans but by Vichy. *Note the number of Frenchmen claiming to be part of the Resistance in July 1944... where were they in 1941 when Germany appeared invincible? Putting on an armband and finding a gun in July 1944 doesn't make you much of a Resistant! This is a problem the French also had a sensible answer to. The Honours and awards went to the "Resistants a la Premiere Heure" Resistants of the First hour. That small number of very brave folk who agitated against the occupier at a time when Germany was indeed "Victorious on all fronts" Many paid with their lives for their courage.
At least one inaccuracy. Maurice Chevalier didn’t sing for German soldiers in Berlin. But he did preform for French soldiers in prisoners of war camps in Germany. It’s an old but well spread lie.
The reason the Stromsa alliance failed was the British signed the Anglo-German Naval agreement. The Germans didn't build aircraft carriers and the British said they did not care about Rhineland de-militarization which was essential for France's security.
The Vichy government proved the point that I heard from Toyanbee I believe. The reason the French lost their Vietnam War was because the Vietnamese were more French than the French. I knew my step mom's brother-in-law had been over one Christmas in a Northern British Columbia Town where he said he never be over winter because he hated snow and after he came up it snowed over 6 ft so he was stuck there regardless. But when I talked about the war with him because he Landed It Normandy on the Canadian side. And when I was talking about things especially just you know casually he was telling me things he didn't even share to his wife or my stepmom. But one thing he did say was that he saw more people from friends in the German outfit than Germans. And as far as he was concerned he put them all in the same camp he said that basically every single occupied territory had a whole bunch of soldiers who were those people who after the war were trying to put themselves out as being a victim that it wasn't their fault they had to do those things in order to survive. Luckily about France he was saying that the only way that they could have been sure was to destroy every single person in the Vichy government. The problem is one of the lies I heard was that Petán was slain because of being a rabid dog when it came to hatred towards Jews. The Vichy Nazis were more front and centre when it came to rounding up Jews and shipping then East-bound. For the thousands of school children who were French non Jews and looking towards the trains that the people were being loaded into who had paid the the price to make sure the German government in the French government was not actually having to a front any of the their own money for the field to get them East those little children out there drying their finger across your throat back from the youngest of Ages doing that meant you're going to die or I'm going to kill you one of the two. That's the reality the reality is that that is as much embedded in the French culture as it was in the German culture. Actually it wasn't just the French and Germany Western European nation and Eastern European nation.
Had France resisted from the beginning, things could have been different. France was betrayed by its own government and its military commanders. Resistance started far too late, and collaboration was and will remain shameful. Petain was the putain who sold France to the Nazis. In those days they were many opportunists who collaborated, including Francois Mitterrand, who served under Pétain but changed side when he realised Germans were facing trouble in Russia. They were many collaborateurs. . Pétain was collaborating with his heart and soul. He was 100 percent guilty of treason .
But I thought that every single Frenchmen was in the resistance and never collaborated and were not involved with the deportation of French Jewish citizens to the death camps.At least that’s what they’ll have you believe…
Most of them were not in the resistance, most of them didn't collaborate, most of them were not involved with the deportation of French Jewish citizens to death camps. 90% of the French Jews were NEVER deported to death camps.
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There should be no blurred images for historical events.
It's so damn annoying blurring historical events which is typical of woke Google.
RUclips is the worst when it comes to censorship
@@michaelquinones-lx6ks woke lol,conservatives are the censorship police,always have been
18:29 N@@michaelquinones-lx6ks
@@st3019 The time has come for google to be broken up! It's a Monopoly, And, Thank you very much for answering my comments.
I've read much of WWII in my years and watched a lot of documentaries. So, at this point there might be a tidbit or two in them I wasn't previously aware of. (Which is why I continue to read and watch.) With this one, the opposite was true. Tidbits I was aware of and much I did not know. I ended up watching it twice. Well done and thank you.
For a more context about the Vichy France, there is an excellent book of Bob Paxton - "Vichy France: Old Guard and New Order, 1940-1944 "
Not at all. One of the worst...
@@oliviervece6121 Which books would you recommend?
@@maxkorotkov9009 1) The Trial of Pierre Laval
By J. Kenneth Brody (2010) (my favourite)
2) Pierre Laval and the eclipse of France
By Geoffrey Warner (1968)
3) Pierre Laval: Patriot Or Traitor
By Rene De Chambrun (Laval’s son in law) (1984)
4) The Unpublished Diary Of Pierre Laval
By Pierre Laval (1948)
[Snuck out by his daughter Josee Laval page by page whilst in prison]
5) France On Trial: The Case Of Marshal Petain (2023)
By Julian Jackson
6) France - The Dark Years : 1940-1944
By Julian Jackson (2001)
@@maxkorotkov9009Cheese Eating Surrender Monkies by Groundskeeper Willie 👍
@@maxkorotkov9009 "Occupation: The ordeal of France" Ian Ousby (2000)
Blurred images no more !
newsreel footage of WW2 combat i've watched for fifty years are now being blurred out. history repeating itself, evidently.
It's RUclips platform rules. Go search elsewhere for uncensored or hush and enjoy what's available
Right? Stop treating me like a child. I’m 45. I’m a veteran. You’re not going to show anything I haven’t already seen and it’s important for the younger folks to have a true understanding of what war is, what tyranny looks like and why we always think twice before entering into a major conflict.
@@TheBizziniss exactly!
So true!
@@TheBizziniss That's ''Wokeness'' for you, The time has come to rule Google as a monopoly that should be broken up! After all, Google is nothing more than an organization run by woke morons who have to please their Chinese Communist overlords!
If you actually read the British naval declaration there was a third option sail under British protection to a neutral port or the French colonies in the Caribbean to wait out the war.
Guess who didn't deliver that message to Darlan?
@@AdolphusEudora Admiral Saulte and got too many sailors killed on both sides because he was too proud to talk to a lowly British captain.
Saulte@@AdolphusEudora
Petain was a proud Anglophone, among other things.
@@johnminarik3442 So "Anglophone" he calls them "Perfidious Albion" and looks at them as inherently and irredeemably anti-French backstabbers...
To be even more specific about this video, what many people ignore is that the French police and gendarmes who helped the Nazis arrest and deport 85,000 Jews to France between 1940 and 1944 still exist today. One was created in 1791 and the other in 1941 by the same Vichy government.
Yes, but under a new republic
What do you mean "the same Vichy government"? The Vichy government didn't survive the war. The police institutions of modern France include none of the people who performed those acts, and they are governed by very different laws.
@@lawsonj39 Are you joking? What do you thinks with all policemen, clerks, customofficers, judges, and other people who were involved with the Vichy goverment? Exactly nothing. Yeah Petain and some others got convicted. But after a few months they just went on like nothing had happened and there was no collaboration and everybody was in the resistance. Even president Mitterand worked for Vichy.
So do most of the Railroad companies, Cities, and famous brands of industry, So what's your point?
Said the guy who drives a Volkswagen
You cannot compromise with evil, talk your way out of it, or do anything to slow it down. You're either a collaborator or you're not. There's no cause to side with evil. All payments come due in the end...
Tell Russians
@@SK-lt1so Tell Japanese...still in denial.
@@conveyor2
"What about the Holy Roman Empire?!"
😆😆😆
Keep firing!
@@SK-lt1so Which was neither Holy, Roman or an Empire
@@Dav1GvIt was both roman and an empire lol.
Excellent documentary... Made me really think more about the Vichy government and what they were facing
Blurred images is censorship
Great series ! Can you post the one on Léon Degrelle ?
"With allies like the british who needs enemies" ironized Petain after the Mers el kebir attack.
"Some Chicken, some neck" Churchill would say of Petain and Vichy France. 😂😂
stopped watching when images blurred ...will read the book
Alistair Simpson has a great voice. He really makes these stories interesting and not wanting to turn away from
Fantastic Documentary. Very well made
Fantastic video , thank you .
This is only part of the Vichy story . A documentary about French Indo China and agreements with the Japanese would interest many. A lot of events happened before the attack on Honolulu .
Does a person's good deeds out weight their bad? Vice versa?
I don't like the blurred images. History, however ugly, should be shown in all its horrors. That way fewer people can deny that something happened. That is also the way to truly show the future generations some of what their ancestors went through. I don't blame the documentarians for that. Their work is very well researched & well presented. The covering up of history's horrors lies solely with YT & this channel. Censorship is a key component of both fascism & communism.
Laval possibly deserved the ultimate criminal sanction for his active collaboration, his traitorous behaviour and his total lack of help for French Jews. However, Laval was not the only senior French collaborator, (Petain was just as guilty as Laval), but somehow Laval became the only scapegoat, while others in Petain’s cabinet, escaped the death penalty. The French justice system should have executed other serious collaborators, but they decided not to hand down any more death sentences. The whole Laval trial was conducted in a shambolic manner, and overall it was an unedifying spectacle. The French public wanted their piece of flesh, so Laval became the sacrificial lamb, while others, just as guilty escaped justice.
Without the active collaboration of the police and civil service any deportations of Jews would have been much harder. Leaders can order, but others DO.
Die Französischen Richter, die Laval erschießen liessen, waren bis zum 6. Juni 1944 selbst Angehörige der vom Vichy-Regime geführten Franzöischen Justiz gewesen und hätten Laval bis dahin niemals verurteilt, sondern nur dessen Feinde. Womöglich hätten sie bis dahin sogar De Gaulle zum Tode wegen Hochverrates an Frankreich verurteilt. Da sie niemals der Vichyregierung angehört hatten, konnten sie nach dem 6. Juni ungeschoren für die Feinde der Nazis und des Vichyregime tätig werden. Ihre antisemitischen Urteile hatten die Sieger sowie die Französischen Widerständler vergessen.
Bouquet, for example.
"But the thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies"-Lawkeeper Equity Mlp Ace Attorney EOJ
The documentary gives a well-rounded perspective of occupied France. It’s an extraordinary work of covering a massive subject involving two wars, spanning several years, under 60 minutes. Its meticulous work is reflected in the narrative.
Thank you British intelligence and the French resistance for your service. I pray for the grace of Lord Jesus on all the soldiers affected in the war. God bless France, Poland, Great Britain and the United States of America for their fight against injustice and tyranny.
You left out Russia.
France, Britain, Poland, and CANADA were fighting against Germany and losing long before the United States got involved. Roosevelt refused. He even turned down Churchill's plea's for help, telling Churchill that the tanks they sold to England wouldn't be flown to England, but could be manually dragged across the border into Canada for Churchill to get Canada to fly them over. The United States got involved after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, which was after Germany surrendered. Truman was President by then. Canada was right there from the beginning. Canada should be honored as well!
Nothing to do with Jesus.
What France refuses to admit to this day is just how large a segment of the population not only collaborated but happily helped.
hate blurred images. Decided not watch after that
I agree with you. I did the same thing.
Far more where " in " the resistance after the war than during it. Those marked out as collaborators offten came not from most guilt was, but where was least protection.
De Gaule,was an " auto-proclamed" general....was in fact a tank division Colonel of the french army, who fled to London after the fall of france
Excellent presentation!
The sad thing is that throughout history well meaning people trying to make the best thing of a bad situation may not be as bad as some people make them out. There are are real Quislings in the world. There are also people trying to preserve as much life as possible.
Now that's a sticky one.....
25:47 What an incredible photo !
41:37
Crimes of the Nazis and Soviets should not be censored.
Nice side track guys
Most of the French welcomed the Germans and their idology. The myth of the French resistance was built at the end and just after the war to rehabilitate the French reputation in the west.
In 1940 there was a common say in Paris... "Better the Germans in Élysée than Albert Lebrun".
France was so deeply divided that many would rather accept German occupation than French political opponents in power.
Agree the French were and are today weak people and the sad part is how they treated women who slept with Germans once usa captured the country. Those women kept the country from being ruined to rubble.
Just like the USa and the UK today, there are strong traitourous elements in power.
That's a bold assertion. A lot more French seemed willing to pick up arms to fight against the Germans than for them, at the very least.
@@Talyrion do your research. Many books about it.
Around 40 mins when the chap says “they went to their deaths singing La Marseillaise”.
I can’t start to imagine what occupation was like. That comment shows the French weren’t broken, people were a different calibre then.
What is often forgotten is that both Petain and General Weygand, the French C-in-C were being treated for STDs, the medication at that time having the side-effect of gloominess and pessimism. So, that explains their reluctance to inspire or plan resistance!
The (WW1) conflict “deeply affected Laval”. I have read the same comment about Chamberlain. Well, the wars deeply affected everyone involved and impacted by them, but the vast overwhelming majority had to get on with it. I sometimes wonder if we are being treated to a subliminal messaging process, as if “leaders” are somehow far more affected by the carnage than those who actually have to go and fight and live and die in it! There really is no excuse for Laval’s behaviours, terrorising and betrayal of other French people. There really was no excuse (other than greed and stupidity) for the Chamberlain (and labour) years (supported by Churchill) for allowing the country to fall so far behind when Germany was so obviously gearing up for the second half.
Here we go another Frenchman blaming it all on Britain and not yourselves.
@@ChrisCrossClash As I do not believe you are a number (as in 93070) you should not believe I’m French😂😂😂 I’m guessing you really think that men dressed in frocks really are women eh?😂😂😂
@@Daniel-deMerrivale Typical frog, trying to deflect his countries people were collaborators, you should be ashamed 😂
@@Daniel-deMerrivale maybe he lives in Seine-Saint-Denis...?
@@thewarwickbear 😂 Indeed that’s possible 👍🏻
It's what people get for mindless and unscrupulous pacifism.
How is DeGualle considered a hero of France ! , when he fled to England with his tail between his knees ?. Plus he was a 'colonist in Africa" !.
His critics loved to point out that his name can be spelled the the same backwards as forwards! A sign he could not be trusted!
@christopheraliaga-kelly6254/// 🤔 💭...TENET(theeMovie)
He got no credit for attempting to sign treaties against german aggression 😢
DeGaulle was a tank commander? He was 6'5", good luck getting inside one.
Petain was always a defeatist. Even in WW1.
Exactly, people do seem to forget that about Petain.
Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone...
Omg! It is absolutely wrong to blur out history!! For generations to come, those experiencing the horror of War through this media we'll find it a thrilling and exciting Adventure rather than a stomach curdling horror! There is a responsibility to reveal that horror irrespective of sensitivities
Let’s be honest . Dagelle ‘s speech didn’t resonate . It was more symbolic and legendary. I’m glad this documentary was honest about it
I know that dude. Jean Borotra. I'm a big tennis fan. The Four Musketeers were a big deal in pre-war tennis. Sort of like today, the pro athletes like to hang out with celebrities. My great uncle was a jazz musician in Europe, kind of a minor celeb. I have a candid photo of at least two of the Musketeers - Borotra and Lacoste - and Suzanne Lenglen, sort of like France's Billie Jean King. They're all hanging out in St. Moritz, winter of like '29, I believe. Need to go back and check that date.
To call Laval a traitor is rather harsh. He did what he thought was best for France.
Great channel. Subbed ❤
The coverage of Mers El Kabir is so woefully incorrect as to doubt the veracity of the entire production. Embarrassed to say i stopped there and wont finish it. Plenty of other channels i do have faith in
these are French made programmes..??? the British offer was for the French fleet to scuttle, join Britain OR sail to the Bahamas and be put under US control ... the British had seen the French army collapse within days and been forced to evacuate their expeditionary forces .. they were not about to allow the French fleet to fall into German hands - which was real possibility.
@@coling3957 correct. The video implies the British were sent with strict orders to engage immediately. Drachinifel does a great expo
No
More French collaborated than resisted
Whereas in the occupied Channel Islands, more Brits collaborated than resisted.
Yes and some of them did both like former president Mitterands
Indeed brits
with French sir names
@@conveyor2 😂😂😂😂Typical Frenchman, trying to blame and shame when most French were collaborators.
Pas vrai
Amazingly their were no DB in WW1 or WW2. Thanks a lot youtube.
This is not "betrayal" quite simply because there were 2 competing worldviews, it's that simple. If half the population is either fascist-like or anti-communist, or anti-liberal, or anti-anglo world order, it's only natural that a neighbor that helps them politically will be seen as liberators.
For example, even in the US, the American Revolution (an ideology) was helped by the French ("liberators") against the English (monarchists and "oppressors" as seen by the revolutionaries), and people tend to naturally understand this ideological power struggle, as this is discussed and framed in this way in most documentaries.
In regards to WW2 however, propaganda makes sure to spread misinformation about the ideological nature of things. For example, even the french resistance was largely communist and even spaniard communists and anarchists later went to France when the axis was weak to reinforce the resistance -- which didn't correspond to the vast majority of french people, but to liberals and communists. If you weren't one of the later, your political interests and your political representation was in the Vichy regime
German forces began Fall Rot ("Case Red") on 5 June 1940, 14:50 then entered on the 14th of June Paris.
19:20 Winston Churchill demanded Laval hand it over or have it destroyed and Laval under Pepin said no.
19:44 Churchill sank the French Fleet and
20:08 1300 French sailors were killed.
History is never just black and white there is always a shade of grey in between.
Ridiculous this censorship!
This is propaganda. In June 1940, most expected that Germany would make a quick peace and evacuate its conquests. The Germans were not unpopular in France until September 1940, when people realized the Germans were not leaving. Germany held 1.5 million French POWs. What could Vichy do but bend? They did nt declare war on the Allies, they did not hand the French fleet over to the Axis.
Because the royal navy sank it. They refused to scuttle it
The French LOST the war but they treated themselves as victors! What a joke.
Depend on what kind of the French you're by ideology. If you're a French supporting de Gaulle or the Resistance, then I don't see any problem of treating themselves as victors - the victory of the democratic, liberal coalition (Allies, excluding the Soviet Union) against the despotic, evil league (Axis). Why not a French who supported the Allies could claim themselves part of this victorious union anyway ? Of course, if you ever "collaborate" with Nazis and are not so loyal to the republican, liberal ideologies, then it might be pretty complicated.
@@pikachu-chan8893 Se Gaul couldn't do anything without the Commonwealth and the US Armies.
@@joshualifetree5398 if Churchill hadn't backed him the whole time. Roosevelt didn't like De Gaulle and didn't want him leading the Free French forces after North Africa was taken. US wanted Darlan, the collaborator admiral - who was unacceptable to Britain. happily a MI6 operation saw him assassinated and De Gaulle became only viable leader.
@@joshualifetree5398yes yes yes, we know that you fu***** americans are the best and the strongest... 😅 Nikomok Amirika.
@@coling3957 It does not matter who led the French resistance they still lost the war and would be speaking German if it were not for the Commonwealth and US troops.
Amazing
Laval is one of the most despicable people I can think of
When speeches which were delivered in French by Laval and others, are offered here by voices speaking in English translation as if they had been delivered by the original speakers, we have by means of re-enactment moved by from documentary to docudrama, and this mars its genuineness.
Why blur the dead ????
Imagine what a message it would have sent had the collaborator (collaboratress?) Coco Chanel been subject to the same retribution as the women shown at the beginning had...
Churchill saved Coco Chanel from this shameful fate. You can always rely on friends.
Whenever I hear the opening notes of the French National Anthem, I keep expecting to hear, "LOOOVVVEEE LOOOVVVEEE LOOOVVVEEE...".
I think what de Gaulle really meant was to say:
France is weak, and although half of us supported the Nazis, the other half saw sense.
Thank you Allies for giving us our country back.
And thank you Marquis for having the balls the Vichy did not 😂😂😂
Many people don't understand the Vichy government. It is not because people lived in the free zone ruled by the Vichy government that they all supported the Nazis. Most of the French never supported the Nazis. Some supported the Vichy government.
Pertain gets off...Leval gets offed...doesn't seem fair.
De Galle,hero
Churchill more than De Galle.
A real man, a true patriach stayed and dealt with the situation at hand. Unlike Petain , a homely general ( only in name) fled
So sending French citizens to their deaths because they're Jewish is being "a true patriarch"?
Hate runs deep in the world 🌍
6:09
Before us is Germany
In us Germany marches
Behind us [is] Germany
A portrait of Laval was displayed in certain Paris shop windows along with a sign reading
“vendu”
Harsh .
This is unwatchable. Not only the caption is wrong (it's an old doc), but it's blurred all the time. How do we expect our youth to learn anything from our mistakes if we hide it to them ?
commentator of the video sounds like collaborator
I actuality understand Laval, he really had no good options
De Gaulle behaved like a war hero but he didn't risk himself at all. He only made speeches from safe places.
Do you expect De Gaulle on the beaches of Normandy shooting away at the German bunkers with Churchill and Roosevelt in the same foxhole you genius ?
@@TarpeianRock Yes I did. If politicians would have to risk their lives in frontlines, we'd have very few wars.
Churcill risked his life in multlple wars. Roosevelt was an invalid. He could not walk. Degaulle was a nobody. Arrogant Frenchman only.
The nerve of literally anybody in the West today calling anyone a puppet government...
shut up you communist 😂 😂
I’m from the west and I’m old enough to know that exactly what it was. They stayed in power because the Nazis use them.
Why can't you stand the truth
During the "epuration" after WW2 the French made a very sensible distinction between "Collaboration" - merely going along to survive, and "Collaborationism" - active support and ideological agreement. Those who did what they needed to survive, and nothing more, were NOT punished. (even those women you see being shaved were generally left alone officially, "personal collaboration" was NOT prosecuted....and of course some of those attacking those women were WORSE collaborators themselves trying to appear to be pure* ) Its very easy for us well fed people in safe nations to criticise ANY level of collaboration... but the French people were put in an impossible situation, not only by the Germans but by Vichy. *Note the number of Frenchmen claiming to be part of the Resistance in July 1944... where were they in 1941 when Germany appeared invincible? Putting on an armband and finding a gun in July 1944 doesn't make you much of a Resistant! This is a problem the French also had a sensible answer to. The Honours and awards went to the "Resistants a la Premiere Heure" Resistants of the First hour. That small number of very brave folk who agitated against the occupier at a time when Germany was indeed "Victorious on all fronts" Many paid with their lives for their courage.
The French literally got away with murder by their capitulation. A disgrace.
they get a bit of a pass because they already had ww1 wounds
and millions of soldiers held in prison as hostages
At least one inaccuracy.
Maurice Chevalier didn’t sing for German soldiers in Berlin. But he did preform for French soldiers in prisoners of war camps in Germany. It’s an old but well spread lie.
The reason the Stromsa alliance failed was the British signed the Anglo-German Naval agreement. The Germans didn't build aircraft carriers and the British said they did not care about Rhineland de-militarization which was essential for France's security.
In 1862 Mexican arny defeated the French imperalist
It wasn't 1862, but 1867. The emperor the French had installed as ruler in Mexico - Maximilian - was abandoned and later executed by the Mexicans.
But they didn`t bring the war to the French homeland to give the french a taste of their own medicine, Germans did that.
The Vichy government proved the point that I heard from Toyanbee I believe. The reason the French lost their Vietnam War was because the Vietnamese were more French than the French. I knew my step mom's brother-in-law had been over one Christmas in a Northern British Columbia Town where he said he never be over winter because he hated snow and after he came up it snowed over 6 ft so he was stuck there regardless. But when I talked about the war with him because he Landed It Normandy on the Canadian side. And when I was talking about things especially just you know casually he was telling me things he didn't even share to his wife or my stepmom. But one thing he did say was that he saw more people from friends in the German outfit than Germans. And as far as he was concerned he put them all in the same camp he said that basically every single occupied territory had a whole bunch of soldiers who were those people who after the war were trying to put themselves out as being a victim that it wasn't their fault they had to do those things in order to survive. Luckily about France he was saying that the only way that they could have been sure was to destroy every single person in the Vichy government. The problem is one of the lies I heard was that Petán was slain because of being a rabid dog when it came to hatred towards Jews. The Vichy Nazis were more front and centre when it came to rounding up Jews and shipping then East-bound. For the thousands of school children who were French non Jews and looking towards the trains that the people were being loaded into who had paid the the price to make sure the German government in the French government was not actually having to a front any of the their own money for the field to get them East those little children out there drying their finger across your throat back from the youngest of Ages doing that meant you're going to die or I'm going to kill you one of the two. That's the reality the reality is that that is as much embedded in the French culture as it was in the German culture. Actually it wasn't just the French and Germany Western European nation and Eastern European nation.
LePen will do it again...!
Non. Ce n'est pas possible.
No, LFI will do it again.
Surrender,a ghastly word
If it wasn't Laval it would of been someone else
And I suppose the french that eent to help with the german war effort had no choice......he. Turned his people into slaves disgusting
Had France resisted from the beginning, things could have been different. France was betrayed by its own government and its military commanders. Resistance started far too late, and collaboration was and will remain shameful. Petain was the putain who sold France to the Nazis. In those days they were many opportunists who collaborated, including Francois Mitterrand, who served under Pétain but changed side when he realised Germans were facing trouble in Russia.
They were many collaborateurs. . Pétain was collaborating with his heart and soul. He was 100 percent guilty of treason .
Traitors all vichy
How much war damage did Paris experience? Compair it to Berlin, London, St. Petersburg, Warsaw, and Dresden.
Not Paris but many other French towns were destroyed.
Like a super old documentary lol
how come your captions are of such poor
quality
He save France from destruction!
And lost her honour !
Yet - Pompidou-Vallet-de-Pellpoiux escaped justice
220 tons of gold !!!!!! what happened to it anyone know.
Churchill ordered the scuttling of the French Navy, killing 1300 French sailors? 😮
But I thought that every single Frenchmen was in the resistance and never collaborated and were not involved with the deportation of French Jewish citizens to the death camps.At least that’s what they’ll have you believe…
Most of them were not in the resistance, most of them didn't collaborate, most of them were not involved with the deportation of French Jewish citizens to death camps. 90% of the French Jews were NEVER deported to death camps.
Traitor Le Supreme!
Might be nice to hear the narrator instead of the useless background noise!
Dislike for the blurred images.