A while ago I bought a near-mint SY22 from an elderly couple for next to nothing. That still puts a smile on my face. 'You can even play tango on it', she said. Whenever you see an ad saying 'Yamaha synthesizer type SY 22' you know you have to act fast. :)
This is an excellent demo! I'm sold, thanks for bringing this synth to my attention. Your patches are excellent. When I get the synth I'll definitely come back for the patches you programmed.
While the years go by...with people programming their own sounds/patches for a certain synthesizer...the real "special talents" of each machine are revealed. The very first trial patches are replaced by improved updates...or get complemented with variations of them. The more flexible the synth architecture on a device is, the better will be the results. The SY22/TG33/SY35-family doesn't even have a filter section. But still it can do some nice stuff....mainly harsh, gritty, ice-cold ambient sounds.
SY22 and TG33 have an identical sound engine (but TG33 has higher polyphony - read one of my other comments below for the details). The Yamaha SY35 has different samples. Imo the SY22/TG33 samples sound better (not technically, but they have more character) than the samples of SY35. Besides polyphony the TG33 has the advantage of a cleaner output signal compared with SY22. On the other hand SY22 sounds warmer, but may suffer of noise from its red LED (the noise depends on the memory number). That's why I have disconected the simple red LED of my SY22 from electricity. You still have the green main LED to read all necessary information. The larger red extra LED was intended to be easier readable on stage (or if you have drunk one beer too much), but practically the red LED is unnecessary for normal usage. The keyboard of SY22 is HQ compared with modern standards and much better than most keyboards (< 1500€) you can buy today. I have played the SY22 now for decades and sometimes very aggressively and the keys respond as on day one. But some of the switches for editing or selecting presets I had to replace after approx. 15 years. Overall the hardware is still very good and not cheap like most modern budget keyboards. The vector stick sends midi data, so it is nice to control some VST-plugins with it. The SY22 has no knobs or faders, but the keyboard is a good alternative as a master keyboard as long as 5 octaves are enough for you. Get one if you can!
SY22 sounds warmer compared with TG33 ? But hey have the same hardware and waves ... or not? I also thought that SY22 the softer and warmer ... but I could not find the reason for which this can happen .. maybe different DAC or analog part after DAC?
@@EuroDJ I do not know if SY22 and TG33 have the same or a different DAC. But imo the difference in sound is based on the different board design. The TG33 has no keyboard and no additional red LED (that adds more or less noise dependant of the preset number!). The board structure of the TG33 is overall less complex with less potential electric noise sources to interfere the analog audio path.
Does the lack of filters make it difficult to get smoother/softer/more muffled pad sounds out of this machine or is the synthesis deep/flexible enough to cover that ground with the available parameters?
Ive created some very warm pads from this ala Aphex Twin stuff. example here. soundcloud.com/squishmusic/panacea-2005?in=squishmusic/sets/from-the-analogue-graves
warning: newbie question: Can anyone tell me how to use SysEx to upload new patches to the SY-22 I have. I've always wanted to do this, but was a bit intimidated. I'd like to take the plunge with this soundset, if I can feel confident I can walk myself through the process. Is there a good "How to SysEx for Dummies" or something on the internet?
@@Alejandro-tn6mt I read on some forums that SY35 is fully compatible with SY22/TG33 sysex (SY35 is the same synth with better quality of samples). This is Online ZIP with SY22 sounds: herbert-janssen.de/data/sy22.zip Unpack and try to load them into your SY35.
@@wolfgangSvukan ah. I see MCD32 cards on Reverb for $50. I may grab one if I develop Patch Acquisition Syndrome. I see that Sector101 is selling “multi-bank” cards, which act like 32 separate MCD64’s inside of one card: www.sector101.co.uk/datablade.html
No. TG33 and TG55 are different synth structures. TG55 is 16bit ROMpler only synth, TG33 has FM synth engine combined with 12bit ROM samples. You can try/hear my TG55 bank here: ruclips.net/video/gd9BAId5QFs/видео.html
You can use a patch (voice) with 2 elements (1 AWM + 1 FM) or 4 elements (2 AWM + 2 FM). TG33 has 32 FM and 32 AWM generators (elements). So for 4 element patches you have a 16 voice polyphony and for 2 element patches you have 32 voice polyphony with TG33. The SY22 has 16 AWM and 16 FM generators (elements). So the SY22 has 16 voice polyphony for 2 element patches, but only 8 voice polyphony for 4 element patches. That is the reason why TG33 offers a 16 voice multi-timbral mode, but the SY22 (and SY35) is limited to 8 voice multi-timbral mode.
Additional important info: The polyphony is dynamically used even in multimode. You do not have to assign a limited polyphony for individual multiparts. Every multipart can use the full polyphony as long as no other multipart uses the voices at the same time.
@@jean-baptisteperrier7566 that's true, and that 's the reason why TG33 is NOT 64 note poly. You can use only voice with minimum 2 elements (FM + AWM). So, in multi-timbral mode TG33 can play maximum 32 polyphony (as Yamaha describe in TG33's specification)
A while ago I bought a near-mint SY22 from an elderly couple for next to nothing. That still puts a smile on my face. 'You can even play tango on it', she said. Whenever you see an ad saying 'Yamaha synthesizer type SY 22' you know you have to act fast. :)
:D
Love this machine. I've owned one for over a year now and I've barely scratched the surface of its possibilities.
1:38 WOW! Vangelis/Bladerunner right out of the box. :)
This is an excellent demo! I'm sold, thanks for bringing this synth to my attention. Your patches are excellent. When I get the synth I'll definitely come back for the patches you programmed.
thnx man!
Fantastic soundbank! A must-buy for the SY22.
Still got my very synth Yamaha TG33 . Would like to purchase your patches . Thanks for advice .
While the years go by...with people programming their own sounds/patches for a certain synthesizer...the real "special talents" of each machine are revealed. The very first trial patches are replaced by improved updates...or get complemented with variations of them. The more flexible the synth architecture on a device is, the better will be the results. The SY22/TG33/SY35-family doesn't even have a filter section. But still it can do some nice stuff....mainly harsh, gritty, ice-cold ambient sounds.
Bought two TG33 - and your Patches !!!
THANKS !
Amazing patches. Will be purchasing soon!
SY22 and TG33 have an identical sound engine (but TG33 has higher polyphony - read one of my other comments below for the details). The Yamaha SY35 has different samples. Imo the SY22/TG33 samples sound better (not technically, but they have more character) than the samples of SY35. Besides polyphony the TG33 has the advantage of a cleaner output signal compared with SY22. On the other hand SY22 sounds warmer, but may suffer of noise from its red LED (the noise depends on the memory number). That's why I have disconected the simple red LED of my SY22 from electricity. You still have the green main LED to read all necessary information. The larger red extra LED was intended to be easier readable on stage (or if you have drunk one beer too much), but practically the red LED is unnecessary for normal usage. The keyboard of SY22 is HQ compared with modern standards and much better than most keyboards (< 1500€) you can buy today. I have played the SY22 now for decades and sometimes very aggressively and the keys respond as on day one. But some of the switches for editing or selecting presets I had to replace after approx. 15 years. Overall the hardware is still very good and not cheap like most modern budget keyboards. The vector stick sends midi data, so it is nice to control some VST-plugins with it. The SY22 has no knobs or faders, but the keyboard is a good alternative as a master keyboard as long as 5 octaves are enough for you. Get one if you can!
SY22 sounds warmer compared with TG33 ? But hey have the same hardware and waves ... or not? I also thought that SY22 the softer and warmer ... but I could not find the reason for which this can happen .. maybe different DAC or analog part after DAC?
@@EuroDJ I do not know if SY22 and TG33 have the same or a different DAC. But imo the difference in sound is based on the different board design. The TG33 has no keyboard and no additional red LED (that adds more or less noise dependant of the preset number!). The board structure of the TG33 is overall less complex with less potential electric noise sources to interfere the analog audio path.
As a SY22 owner I can confirm that ;-)
these sounds blow my mind. maybe the best i've ever heard. would you recommend a TG-33 today? these patches are incredible
Yes! Always.
Awesome patches!!
Okay now I really want a TG33
:D
@@wolfgangSvukan and I got one now. as soon as I have money to spare (with christmas coming up that might be a while) I want these patches
put Chorus and big long Reverb after this - great sound !
yo i need this
You can buy this 64 Presets in TG33 (SY22) SysEx Midi format for only 10 Euros (via PayPal). Just email me - vukansto at gmail dot com.
Awesome custom presets! Does this require the memory card to load or can just load it via midi from a computer?
via MIDI from computer
May I know what software required for the transfer? Sorry for I’m a newbie here.
@@dedytron SendSX, it's free WIN PC soft (www.bome.com/products/sendsx)
Wow how do I not know about this one?
Does the lack of filters make it difficult to get smoother/softer/more muffled pad sounds out of this machine or is the synthesis deep/flexible enough to cover that ground with the available parameters?
Ive created some very warm pads from this ala Aphex Twin stuff. example here. soundcloud.com/squishmusic/panacea-2005?in=squishmusic/sets/from-the-analogue-graves
So good!
Sounds amazing!! How can I get these presets? Thanks:)
read Video description or email me to vukansto at gmail :D
warning: newbie question: Can anyone tell me how to use SysEx to upload new patches to the SY-22 I have. I've always wanted to do this, but was a bit intimidated. I'd like to take the plunge with this soundset, if I can feel confident I can walk myself through the process. Is there a good "How to SysEx for Dummies" or something on the internet?
I'm in Love...
Hello.Did you use a software to program it?
no
@@wolfgangSvukan
Thank you for reply. I just starting to program TG33.I think the same.Your patches very good.
Also interested in buying. Any info on how to transfer presets from a Mac to the TG33?
You need: Mac MIDI Interface, MIDI cable, SysEx Librarian software
Why don't you release it on gumroad or mirror it on a personal website?
1st patch sounds like Michael Plaster.
are this presets compatible with Sy 35?
Did You try to load into SY35 any SY22/TG33 sysex bank/preset?
@@wolfgangSvukan no
@@Alejandro-tn6mt I read on some forums that SY35 is fully compatible with SY22/TG33 sysex (SY35 is the same synth with better quality of samples).
This is Online ZIP with SY22 sounds: herbert-janssen.de/data/sy22.zip
Unpack and try to load them into your SY35.
@@wolfgangSvukan It works
i just paypal for the preset bank!
64+64 🤔 How many user presets can the SY22 hold?
64 User Presets (RAM) and 64 Factory Presets (ROM)
On MCD card can be another 64 Presets
@@wolfgangSvukan ah. I see MCD32 cards on Reverb for $50. I may grab one if I develop Patch Acquisition Syndrome.
I see that Sector101 is selling “multi-bank” cards, which act like 32 separate MCD64’s inside of one card:
www.sector101.co.uk/datablade.html
Will these also work on the tg55
No. TG33 and TG55 are different synth structures. TG55 is 16bit ROMpler only synth, TG33 has FM synth engine combined with 12bit ROM samples.
You can try/hear my TG55 bank here: ruclips.net/video/gd9BAId5QFs/видео.html
This is Patrick O'Hearn type of sound.
TG33 actually has 64 voice polyphony, SY22 has 32 voice polyphony.
wrong
You can use a patch (voice) with 2 elements (1 AWM + 1 FM) or 4 elements (2 AWM + 2 FM). TG33 has 32 FM and 32 AWM generators (elements). So for 4 element patches you have a 16 voice polyphony and for 2 element patches you have 32 voice polyphony with TG33. The SY22 has 16 AWM and 16 FM generators (elements). So the SY22 has 16 voice polyphony for 2 element patches, but only 8 voice polyphony for 4 element patches. That is the reason why TG33 offers a 16 voice multi-timbral mode, but the SY22 (and SY35) is limited to 8 voice multi-timbral mode.
Additional important info: The polyphony is dynamically used even in multimode. You do not have to assign a limited polyphony for individual multiparts. Every multipart can use the full polyphony as long as no other multipart uses the voices at the same time.
@@jean-baptisteperrier7566 that's true, and that 's the reason why TG33 is NOT 64 note poly. You can use only voice with minimum 2 elements (FM + AWM). So, in multi-timbral mode TG33 can play maximum 32 polyphony (as Yamaha describe in TG33's specification)
yes TG: 32-note-poly. SY22 and 35 only 16-note-poly. TG is much better in a multitimbral mode and for more complex tracks.