Apexes keeping each other in check in terms of combat I can understand but I think their numbers should also be kept in check by the food supply. Predators in mid and small tiers should be able to rely on AI for food but large mid tiers like allo and apexes should have to be forced(when they're at sub and or adult stage of growth) into pvp with either by ambushing smaller player dinos or by fighting other dinos at their tier(exeptions maybe larger semi aqutic mid tiers like sucho since they'll likely rely on fish and will be slower). For herbis I think they should compete with other herbis for food so they have an incentive to bully others off of food(should also disincentivize super herds). To incentivize players to pick herbis so larger carnis can have enough prey, larger herbis should have much faster growth times, however their carni match ups should be very close fights(rex vs trike in legacy) or at least the herbis should have a higher skill floor. I think this can be simply achieved by changing diets, plant spawns, AI speeds and or player dino speeds. Things the devs have shown they have the technology to do(lol).
@@poopoodemon7928 Yeah well said. And I think the apexs (at least the carnivores) will have heavy food drain, but I would like to see some bigger ai for them too, but not too much so then they will need to rely on finding players to hunt, just like in Legacy, Ava was good for juvi and some subs, but when adult apex it's always better to hunt
In my opinion a solo apex should have to fear more than just other apex’s like a group of experienced or larger mid tiers should be able to at least challenge a apex player even on the smaller scale mid tiers like cerato or carno in a duo or groups should be able to somewhat coexist in a area with a apex if properly balanced
@@ducestat06savage99 what's the weight difference 2.8 tons vs trex weight any where from 8 tons to 24 tons in one estimate one bite probly take a allo out in real life
Yea I mean apexes taking nearly an hour to kill even with 6-8 Omnis on average is what makes the most sense, all of them should have insanely high blood pools that take larger and larger playables to bleed out. On top of that one bite from them should basically be a death sentence to anything under 4 tons, like if you got bit by a Giga even once as something half it's size you are likely to bleed out. And with Rex, well you can't really run away once your femur or ribs are pulverized. Apex carnivores should be intimidating enough that you change your direction once you hear them in the distance, they shouldn't be simply big targets for small and mid tiers to take as a challenge and try to solo, if anything trying that should be a death sentence unless the apex player is afk or something.
My theory to the gifs: The one where it leaps forward is it's grappling/pounce animation, and the one with the red "hitbox" is when it does land it's grapple/pounce. Also the big slap might be alt attack
I kind of thought that everyone thought this about the mechanic animations and I don’t know if anyone else thinks this but I feel like some longer armed mid tiers should be able to slap/slash with each individual arm like theri sort of similar to how stego hits in the direction you look with its tail
I’m thinking what if allo has a slowdown/pin ability? Where it grabs forward and either scratches larger foes or yoinks smaller ones. Imagine an allo latching onto a para or sauropod as it chases it down, claws latched into its flesh. Would be pretty cool
I'd love if that when the AI version of them comes out for Officials that they'll only spawn when a area reaches a certain amount of either bodies or players until a apex spawns to clear them out, they could have them patrolling certain areas for a certain period of time before either despawning or dying from starvation, either way best way to make sure apexes actually stay unique is to let AI handle its behavior as players cant be trusted with such power.
I think allo will be like dibble with the attacks kind of. like how dibble has 2 attacks when its still. the one when you look down and then the regular one. Allo just has so many attacks.
Well said, obviously apexes should be strong and capable of fending for themselves, especially solo. However, not unkillable if proper tactics and numbers are employed.
Im happy with any new playable in evrima right now, but what I'm not looking forward to is how packed unofficial servers will be, since rex or trike wont be on official servers. Dem ques gunna be over 100 I bet. 😆
@@ucjgaming OOOOOoooooooooo I like that idea, let's hope so . 😁 Because let's be honest here official servers are sadly infested with Hackers right now. 😆
@@derpyou8679 Yeah unfortunately so. This is why I only play in unofficials, and why I have my own server (currently a dead server till Diablo actually releases)
I think grouping with apexs should also be kept in check. Like, even if it is unlikely that we'll be seeing multiple adult rexs, I think the group limit should be way lower, about 3 max. The only issue with this that I can see is nesting (I'm interested in seeing mutations on rex and how they'll be handled and balanced) because you'd obviously want all your babies in your group.
Also, to fix the trike issue with there being an abundance of food for them compared to rex, I think they could add more strict criteria needing to be met to enhance growth, like with diets. Maybe some sort of 4th diet needed for trike that's in a separate migration, and is only needed once at a certain growth stage.
@@Hyper.Vyper. I think it would be max 2 but even that would be hard because of hunger drain. Mainly for the carnivore apexs tho. Same with nesting, I'm sure small rexs like hatchling/juvi and maybe even fresh sub adult will be able to be with their mother/father but eventually for hungers sake it will have to go on alone
yeah i do agree rexs and trikes should be like early stegos where they were tanky af and almost impossible to kill but id like to see them in offical off the bat even if they would be like super dominant because i mean we have the smae thing wil like carno and ceratos which just run around care free so bringing in rexs and trikes will stop that but they would still be able to die if they arent super good to those groups of 2-3 carnos or like the 5 ceratos that used to kill me
The thing is if there not gonna add apexes on official because there not many big dinosaurs than why waste time working on apexes right now instead of adding more non apex big dinos like bary para Alberto etc
Well they’ve said they want to add apexes to lay the foundation for other large creatures to see how they will work and impact the gameplay, which also works with other creatures. But I could be wrong idk don’t quote me lol.
UCJ discussion video ! what a treat ! i agree on everything ill just add before they do anything they should fix the hackers issue cz 1/3 is hacking in hordetesting and makes the game disgusting to play :/
@@ucjgaming i got crashed many times before even getting in the server...thought it wad my graphic settings or smt, but I'm not so sure anymore it was my fault...but y hordetest is unplayable at its current state 🥲
While your point on trikes not being a problem unless another player makes it a problem is extremely good and valid, we all know people are going to pick unwinnable fights with trike and then start to scream, cry and throw up about how badly trike needs a nerf. Fact is we all know how the Isle community is 95% of just people with victim mentalities. Lol
@@Ticklicous Yeah it's strange with how many people wine about stuff like that. Like Stego needs a beef according to most players, it's like they expect one Omni to be able to level a Stego lol
@@daaq1880 Well to be honest I agree with you, but most wouldn't get me if I said that number as there are too many raptor mains that just want to 1 v1 a Rex lol
a full pack of raptors that know what their doing should be able to do it but itll take a SUPER long time , raptor packs right now cant even handle stegos T-T
11:00 heres the thing... put some AI dinos on the map and maybe keep some rexes away from the migration zones. it makes the game better and more immersive if apexes can grow outside the high populated zones, show up, cause trouble and then dissapear in the vast map again
@@o0Raine0o Yeah would be good for Apexs to not be included in Migration, I like that idea, makes sense! So then they can be more of a surprise when they arrive
@@Patrick3183 thats my selling point for putting more and actual dino AI on the map tp spread out players a bit and let them grow. just yesterday i witnessed a pack of ceras and dilos annihilate an entire migration zone that was littered with bodies everywhere on a full 140 player server. if the devs had a map that shows every player position i guarantee more than half the map was still empty
Congrats on the lizard man I am curious to the changes to these 2 playables in ervrima like I don’t see a lot of people talking about their growth stages I’m curious to see if the devs will make juvenile Rex like it’s real life counterpart where it was a fast agile hunter and as it grew up it became more heavily built along with trike it will probably be similar or the same as Diablo growth
@@danthethomasfan2256 Thank you! 😊 Yeah I would imagine Trike being like Dibble, and Rex being exactly how you said, slim and quick when small, and slowly getting slower, stockier and more powerful with age
@@ucjgaming I also think the amount of small and mid tier carnivores would limit the amount of Rex’s that would reach adulthood like you were saying but I’m also curious about the young subadult stage with them having to go into competition with the mid tiers I don’t know why but I mostly think cerato probably because I see them in ervrima as the hyenas of the isle
i agree with wht u say abt apexs beeing the top bc as a cerra u ca ntake down a pack of omni so i dont see why ppl want it to be like tht for rex and other apex u should need a full pack at least or like 5 6 if yall vc or sum and ppl will def complain abt how many there will be for awhile i mean look at dilo w vid
@@javonwatson8336 Glad you liked the video! 💚 And exactly, an Apex should always have the better chance of winning against anything smaller than it. Unless some highly skilled players with enough numbers come, then it should be a tough fight
i just want sub rex to not be the best mid tier, make it as bad as sub giga, since sub giga actually feals kinda fair, like it still hurts alot to get bit by it, it's got good bulk, it's trot is good as always, and it still has the same weaknesses as it's adult, like bad turn, and lackluster amush
@@ragingdingus5403 I'm pretty sure sub Rex will have its pros and cons, and I'm sure Allo and Carno and other mid tiers will own their size. With sub Rex being competition but not the king till it grows bigger
@@azuresiren5846 I do consider it an Apex, just not right now as it is. Because it is not at its full potential yet. Just look at Deino Vs Stego.... One Deino should easily take on a Stego (in water or river banks) and yet it takes multiple to kill it. Deino and Rex are supposed to be equal but best in their areas, like one on land and one in water, but as of now Deino is just weak, it's bite should be stronger and resistance to damage should be better, as Stego is not a real apex, it's like a "small" apex unlike Trike being an actual apex. Hope this made sense, but over all Deino should be getting a buff once other apexs are out
Apexes keeping each other in check in terms of combat I can understand but I think their numbers should also be kept in check by the food supply. Predators in mid and small tiers should be able to rely on AI for food but large mid tiers like allo and apexes should have to be forced(when they're at sub and or adult stage of growth) into pvp with either by ambushing smaller player dinos or by fighting other dinos at their tier(exeptions maybe larger semi aqutic mid tiers like sucho since they'll likely rely on fish and will be slower). For herbis I think they should compete with other herbis for food so they have an incentive to bully others off of food(should also disincentivize super herds). To incentivize players to pick herbis so larger carnis can have enough prey, larger herbis should have much faster growth times, however their carni match ups should be very close fights(rex vs trike in legacy) or at least the herbis should have a higher skill floor. I think this can be simply achieved by changing diets, plant spawns, AI speeds and or player dino speeds. Things the devs have shown they have the technology to do(lol).
most herbs hunt down carnivores tho
@@poopoodemon7928 Yeah well said. And I think the apexs (at least the carnivores) will have heavy food drain, but I would like to see some bigger ai for them too, but not too much so then they will need to rely on finding players to hunt, just like in Legacy, Ava was good for juvi and some subs, but when adult apex it's always better to hunt
i agree Ucj rex should not be an easy target to take down, but possible to do yes with effort
In my opinion a solo apex should have to fear more than just other apex’s like a group of experienced or larger mid tiers should be able to at least challenge a apex player even on the smaller scale mid tiers like cerato or carno in a duo or groups should be able to somewhat coexist in a area with a apex if properly balanced
@@danthethomasfan2256 we dont need balace we need realism lol
@jnightmare2386 that is realism a rex isn't going to just godzilla a group like 10 or 5 allos lol
Even bears would have the fear of god seeing a pride of lions@@jnightmare2386
@@ducestat06savage99 what's the weight difference 2.8 tons vs trex weight any where from 8 tons to 24 tons in one estimate one bite probly take a allo out in real life
Never thought i would enjoy this video, but it was a banger. I hope the isle blesses you with t rex and trike and allo and bary and dibble.
@@Patrick3183 Well technically not yet. It's in horde testing
@@ehsanakbar1701 I'm glad you enjoyed the video 💚 I you get blessed with Elder Dryo 🪓
Yea I mean apexes taking nearly an hour to kill even with 6-8 Omnis on average is what makes the most sense, all of them should have insanely high blood pools that take larger and larger playables to bleed out. On top of that one bite from them should basically be a death sentence to anything under 4 tons, like if you got bit by a Giga even once as something half it's size you are likely to bleed out. And with Rex, well you can't really run away once your femur or ribs are pulverized. Apex carnivores should be intimidating enough that you change your direction once you hear them in the distance, they shouldn't be simply big targets for small and mid tiers to take as a challenge and try to solo, if anything trying that should be a death sentence unless the apex player is afk or something.
@@ALunaticWithAShotgun agreed 👍 Apex in the title for a reason ay
facts gone are the days of people not taking apex playables serious
@@ucjgaming precisely
@@v8hyp Yea, hopefully we wont see montages of omni mains biting the toes of Rexes with loud music in the background lmao
@@v8hyp Yeah and in Evrima this needs to change
My theory to the gifs: The one where it leaps forward is it's grappling/pounce animation, and the one with the red "hitbox" is when it does land it's grapple/pounce.
Also the big slap might be alt attack
I kind of thought that everyone thought this about the mechanic animations and I don’t know if anyone else thinks this but I feel like some longer armed mid tiers should be able to slap/slash with each individual arm like theri sort of similar to how stego hits in the direction you look with its tail
@@DIABLO_Vic Yeah could very well be! And yeah because that slap is slow I'd expect that to be an alt.
I could listen to you talk about for hours, you have a wonderful voice.❤️
@@echoexplosion1236 aww thank you 😊💚 Glad to hear it!
That first biting animation looks like he's holding a cheeseburger or something. The way his hands are
I feel like dinosaurs with lengthier arms should be able to move their arms more independently like a bear swat for a attack
@@danthethomasfan2256have you seen the allo animations yet? They’ve made it use its arms quite a lot from the looks of it :D
if u look closely he's definitely not holding anything bc his claws go out and in like a pounce sort of attack
@@yellowdog5478 well I have seen a few videos here and there of it
@@alexburke1310 Its a joke mate, I know
I’ve got a bearded dragon too had him for about a year now, really cool pets and surprisingly good swimmers.
My cousin has one with a big personality but it’s pretty chill and actually has its own hammock that she sleeps on
@@Oggyspoggy That's awesome! I've always wanted one, and I said once I am in my own room then I shall get one 🌞
I’m thinking what if allo has a slowdown/pin ability? Where it grabs forward and either scratches larger foes or yoinks smaller ones. Imagine an allo latching onto a para or sauropod as it chases it down, claws latched into its flesh. Would be pretty cool
Yeah and the longer you hold the more bleed you get, and the more stam the Allo would lose. That a pretty cool idea there 💡
I can’t wait to play allo!
I'd love if that when the AI version of them comes out for Officials that they'll only spawn when a area reaches a certain amount of either bodies or players until a apex spawns to clear them out, they could have them patrolling certain areas for a certain period of time before either despawning or dying from starvation, either way best way to make sure apexes actually stay unique is to let AI handle its behavior as players cant be trusted with such power.
@@Patrick3183 What about the other Apexs once in? You think it should be like 10 apex slots or more specific like only 10 Rex slots?
@@kitkat5596 Yeah I hope Unofficials also get Rex ai, so they can also fight off other rexs (if done right ofc)
I think allo will be like dibble with the attacks kind of. like how dibble has 2 attacks when its still. the one when you look down and then the regular one. Allo just has so many attacks.
@@Patrick3183 But dibble still has those attacks. So thats what allo could possibly be like
@@TheRealCARCHARO Yeah could very well be like that. I hope it has a fair few attacks!
1:55 cool pet
@@sem71st Thank you! 💚
Well said, obviously apexes should be strong and capable of fending for themselves, especially solo. However, not unkillable if proper tactics and numbers are employed.
@@Taiji_Wyvern Yeah exactly 💦 They should be possible to kill but it should be super hard. Must be an actual achievement
would also help if the apexes were cannibal like deino to keep the populations down
@@-durnehviir Very true!
What it should be like ? Facetanking a trike like in legacy should be impossible
Proceeds to get gored through the face
@@profilenotfound2525 Absolutely agreed
Im happy with any new playable in evrima right now, but what I'm not looking forward to is how packed unofficial servers will be, since rex or trike wont be on official servers. Dem ques gunna be over 100 I bet. 😆
@@derpyou8679 Or more unofficial servers will come from Legacy, who knows 💦
@@ucjgaming OOOOOoooooooooo I like that idea, let's hope so . 😁 Because let's be honest here official servers are sadly infested with Hackers right now. 😆
@@derpyou8679 Yeah unfortunately so. This is why I only play in unofficials, and why I have my own server (currently a dead server till Diablo actually releases)
Dude is a cool lil dude
@@zigg3415 Thank you 😊 He is a good 🦎
@@zigg3415 not going to lie I thought he would name it Big Al
I think grouping with apexs should also be kept in check. Like, even if it is unlikely that we'll be seeing multiple adult rexs, I think the group limit should be way lower, about 3 max. The only issue with this that I can see is nesting (I'm interested in seeing mutations on rex and how they'll be handled and balanced) because you'd obviously want all your babies in your group.
Also, to fix the trike issue with there being an abundance of food for them compared to rex, I think they could add more strict criteria needing to be met to enhance growth, like with diets. Maybe some sort of 4th diet needed for trike that's in a separate migration, and is only needed once at a certain growth stage.
@@Hyper.Vyper. I think it would be max 2 but even that would be hard because of hunger drain. Mainly for the carnivore apexs tho. Same with nesting, I'm sure small rexs like hatchling/juvi and maybe even fresh sub adult will be able to be with their mother/father but eventually for hungers sake it will have to go on alone
yeah i do agree rexs and trikes should be like early stegos where they were tanky af and almost impossible to kill but id like to see them in offical off the bat even if they would be like super dominant because i mean we have the smae thing wil like carno and ceratos which just run around care free so bringing in rexs and trikes will stop that but they would still be able to die if they arent super good to those groups of 2-3 carnos or like the 5 ceratos that used to kill me
@@eliupton-n9j Yeah anything is possible. Things change so who knows once they come out if they will actually just be in unofficials
The thing is if there not gonna add apexes on official because there not many big dinosaurs than why waste time working on apexes right now instead of adding more non apex big dinos like bary para Alberto etc
Well they’ve said they want to add apexes to lay the foundation for other large creatures to see how they will work and impact the gameplay, which also works with other creatures. But I could be wrong idk don’t quote me lol.
@@AKayani559 I do agree with you. Even tho I'd love to see apexs, it would be better to get all the small/mid tiers in first and then work up
UCJ discussion video ! what a treat ! i agree on everything ill just add before they do anything they should fix the hackers issue cz 1/3 is hacking in hordetesting and makes the game disgusting to play :/
@@choci. I want the Fatal errors to be fixed, I haven't even experienced the hackers yet as I haven't played much due to fatal errors 🫴
@@ucjgaming i got crashed many times before even getting in the server...thought it wad my graphic settings or smt, but I'm not so sure anymore it was my fault...but y hordetest is unplayable at its current state 🥲
While your point on trikes not being a problem unless another player makes it a problem is extremely good and valid, we all know people are going to pick unwinnable fights with trike and then start to scream, cry and throw up about how badly trike needs a nerf. Fact is we all know how the Isle community is 95% of just people with victim mentalities. Lol
@@Ticklicous Yeah it's strange with how many people wine about stuff like that. Like Stego needs a beef according to most players, it's like they expect one Omni to be able to level a Stego lol
5 or 6 raptors to kill a rex is crazy. It should be about 15 or something around that.
@@daaq1880 Well to be honest I agree with you, but most wouldn't get me if I said that number as there are too many raptor mains that just want to 1 v1 a Rex lol
a full pack of raptors that know what their doing should be able to do it but itll take a SUPER long time , raptor packs right now cant even handle stegos T-T
I agree 👍
i feel like they should only focus on mid tiers, sub apexs and small tiers
Like if the devs are going this route for each apex they add they should add 2 or 4 mid tier playables to sort of balance out the ecosystem
@@xmasfoxy7598 For the moment that would be best, then once enough are out to being actual apexs
11:00 heres the thing... put some AI dinos on the map and maybe keep some rexes away from the migration zones. it makes the game better and more immersive if apexes can grow outside the high populated zones, show up, cause trouble and then dissapear in the vast map again
@@o0Raine0o Yeah would be good for Apexs to not be included in Migration, I like that idea, makes sense! So then they can be more of a surprise when they arrive
@@ucjgaming or maybe have apex’s have their own migration system like Rex’s migration follows trikes migration zone like lions following buffalo herds
@@danthethomasfan2256 That's kinda what predators have now kinda. So it would probably be the same for Rex anyway, just hope it's done right
@@Patrick3183 thats my selling point for putting more and actual dino AI on the map tp spread out players a bit and let them grow. just yesterday i witnessed a pack of ceras and dilos annihilate an entire migration zone that was littered with bodies everywhere on a full 140 player server. if the devs had a map that shows every player position i guarantee more than half the map was still empty
Your not talking BS.. lol I agree with the Apex as an adult being very hard to kill
@@smefour Glad to hear it 😊 And exactly! Apex for a reason right
We missed your voice papí
@@chrisstarr6479 It's been a while 🫴 Glad to be back 🌊
Congrats on the lizard man I am curious to the changes to these 2 playables in ervrima like I don’t see a lot of people talking about their growth stages I’m curious to see if the devs will make juvenile Rex like it’s real life counterpart where it was a fast agile hunter and as it grew up it became more heavily built along with trike it will probably be similar or the same as Diablo growth
@@danthethomasfan2256 Thank you! 😊 Yeah I would imagine Trike being like Dibble, and Rex being exactly how you said, slim and quick when small, and slowly getting slower, stockier and more powerful with age
@@ucjgaming I also think the amount of small and mid tier carnivores would limit the amount of Rex’s that would reach adulthood like you were saying but I’m also curious about the young subadult stage with them having to go into competition with the mid tiers I don’t know why but I mostly think cerato probably because I see them in ervrima as the hyenas of the isle
@@danthethomasfan2256 Yeah, I would presume it would be a constant battle for survival whilst growing
@@ucjgaming also I swear if Rex doesn’t have a jaw wrestling mechanic like how hippos fight that’s going to such a huge disappointment
@@danthethomasfan2256 Explain what you mean by that, because I don't know that much about hypos unfortunately 😅
i agree with wht u say abt apexs beeing the top bc as a cerra u ca ntake down a pack of omni so i dont see why ppl want it to be like tht for rex and other apex u should need a full pack at least or like 5 6 if yall vc or sum and ppl will def complain abt how many there will be for awhile i mean look at dilo w vid
@@javonwatson8336 Glad you liked the video! 💚 And exactly, an Apex should always have the better chance of winning against anything smaller than it. Unless some highly skilled players with enough numbers come, then it should be a tough fight
yup
@@28.4theONE Yop
Yo i got a bearded dragon too and a leopard gecko
@@RyderKuhlmanMTB No way! A Leo is what I want to get in a few months 😃
I want Quetz
I’ll cream if they add pararsolophus and ACROCANTHOSAURUS
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wut da hellllllllllllllllll
Hopefully next year! Acro and Para are both in my top 5 favourites 💚
i just want sub rex to not be the best mid tier, make it as bad as sub giga, since sub giga actually feals kinda fair, like it still hurts alot to get bit by it, it's got good bulk, it's trot is good as always, and it still has the same weaknesses as it's adult, like bad turn, and lackluster amush
@@ragingdingus5403 I'm pretty sure sub Rex will have its pros and cons, and I'm sure Allo and Carno and other mid tiers will own their size. With sub Rex being competition but not the king till it grows bigger
I agree
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Ayy a beardie!
@@Misto_deVito6009 He a good boi 😍
i'm a Trike
Nuh uh
@@YT_Zayatrix Stop it 🪓
@@ucjgaming XD
Dude needs FATTER *BELLEH!*
@@Kogasengaha_Hishoshi He will get there! I promise ✨
more prey
I think mimni should be able to kill a rex
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Only correct take
Now that I think about it I hope that little armed guy will basically be a herbivorous armadillo
@@evanjabbour2653 That's fax actually
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@@springbonnietherabbit1733 Hey 😊
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@@aethr4291 Dude says hello 👋
why dont you consider deino an apex?
@@azuresiren5846 I do consider it an Apex, just not right now as it is. Because it is not at its full potential yet. Just look at Deino Vs Stego.... One Deino should easily take on a Stego (in water or river banks) and yet it takes multiple to kill it. Deino and Rex are supposed to be equal but best in their areas, like one on land and one in water, but as of now Deino is just weak, it's bite should be stronger and resistance to damage should be better, as Stego is not a real apex, it's like a "small" apex unlike Trike being an actual apex. Hope this made sense, but over all Deino should be getting a buff once other apexs are out
@@ucjgaming ok thats actually a fair point
Yop
@@LeMonke467 Yep
Trike is going to be stronger than Rex
@@delly_4755 Yeah in defence, would make sense. Especially because Trike would also be slower than Rex
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@@Moze_YT Wag1 Mr first! 🥇