I think just like Zeno, the Guards don’t need battle power. They can manipulate time n space at will. It’s a different kind of power. Similar to Zeno being able to close his fist and erase timelines.
The thing about them Because Zeno isn't really invincible In order to kill him One just needs to attack faster than he can react to erase them Zeno wasn't even able to keep up with Dyspo's moves when he was watching him fight So to make sure nobody tries to kill zeno They have to be ridiculously powerful Just my opinion
@@unknown_gaming4209 yea no I'm pretty sure his durability is stupid high plus zero and the grand priest can see the future and past just like in the top they new someone would make a wish like the one 17 did
Not true even Zeno himself has a fighting form he’s playful but old and he definitely knows how to fight he’s older than even the grand priest all deity’s have an ultimate battle transformation
@@aaronodom2512 Where are you getting this "all deity's have an ultimate battle transformation" We have never seen zeno or the gp "Transform" into this "ultimate battle transformation" you have been watching to much dbh lol
It’s not as simple as speed increasing proportionately to strength. A huge plot point back in the Cell Saga was that the saiyans could increase their power nearly to SSJ2 with the SSJ 3rd grade form, but at the cost of their speed. Everyone was able to sense the greatly enhanced ki output though.
@@dma67111 It’s still relevant in Super Saga cause when that girl when Super Saiyan “Buff” on Goku during the Tournament of Power he told her something along the lines of “You put all ur focus into strength but you lost all your speed”
@@premejon8300 except it's not the same. It's not power or strength. They coyote have all the speed in the universe but if they have less power they won't damage the angels
The problem with all this is that it is assumed they did manually traveled there normally, The Grand Priest (presumably, though Zeno may poss this ability himself and might of done so himself, though it's more probably the Grand Priest did it, and it's possible the guards may also have the ability themselves as well) remember can also instantly transport them, which he did near/at the end of the future trunks saga when dealing with Zamasu.
Vegeta didn't say his speed increased because his power did. Infact he was kinda saying the opposite by saying that his speed had increased aswell. It implies that power can increase without speed or vice versa. Generally one would increase with the other as characters logically train both but it dosnt mean they both raise at the same amount. We have seen characters with lower power but higher speed and the other way way round, swoll Trunks for example.
That's true Best examples are the Ginyu force If we don't count Ginyu then Recoom was the strongest but the slowest Burter The blue one (don't know the English name) was the fastest but was just the 3rd strongest Jeese (the red one) was the 2nd fastest and 2nd strongest
@@ChrisAtheist yea very true. Just to let you know the English names are the same. As far as I'm aware all the Western releases were the same. Anyway another good example would be possibly Pikkon and even in the newer stuff like in super there is Hit or Hitting Japanese, his power wasn't anything like Gokus but his martial technique and speed were incredible and thats without his special time skip technique. I mean an obvious one would be Gregory from king kais planet. When goku met him after Radiz goku had a high power level and strength level but Gregory had far far greater speed.
I think it’s a little off but bottom line the guards are stronger than all the angels even the grand priest they exist before the angels you cannot be a protector of the king of all being weaker than any adversary if the grand priest was evil who would stop him from usurping the throne if he was stronger than the guards nobody could there must be balance Zeno not the grand priest is responsible for that job the grand priest job is to tend to his every wish and to protect the multiverse and uphold the law without bias remember the closer you are to the throne the stronger you are these guards never leave Zenos side not even in the presence of the grand priest and that’s for a reason
@@aaronodom2512 Those guards are like giant action figures to Zeno easily replaceable he’s casually threaten them yet nothing like that has ever happened to an angel… Besides Grand priest has been recognized as the strongest fighter in the multiverse already
I've always said that the guards are the most powerful beings aside from Zino himself. The fight between Goku and Hit showing on the tv was after the event happened not during. Speed isn't equal to power because Goku's instant transmission is faster than an angel and when he first learned that, he wasn't as powerful as one by any stretch.
@@opfreak might not be but the debate now is different. The debate is if you think instant transmission is speed or not? Because Whis uses a flying cube or his staff to move. He himself isn't moving that fast because he's clearly standing still.
@@krisnyc9134 hes deliberately not moving fast, do u think he cant move faster? He caught Beerus off guard with instant transmission. Its how you move not always just speed
It was well calculated, but that 45 times greater might very well be the low end of their power level in comparison to Whis. That could be 1/3 of their full power level or 1/4. The reason I say this is because that’s been on another question. Is the grand angel more powerful than Lord Zenos royal guards? It is also unknown if the grand angel is the most powerful being in all the multi-verse. Because according to the MA which provide greater credence of canon than the manga. It was stated by Whis that his father “The Grand Angel” is 1 of the 5 Strongest In The Multiverse.” We have no idea if the grand angel is the most powerful or the weakest or mid tier in comparison to the other 4 combatants. And our Lord Zenos royal guards even included as combatants? Or is it literally only one of them?
Lord Zenos guards may be a multiform technique used by one individual so he may be stronger than the grand priest when he is not split into multiple copys but when using multiform he is still in the same realm of power as the grand priest
@@XeroBuster how about Like you suggested it's one person split in to 4 however even with 1/4 he is the 2nd most powerful in the multiverse And I don't think Zeno is one the 5th most powerful My theory is he is just acting king of the gods of destruction His father/mother is outside of the multiverse or imprisoned and is the most powerful And I think the grand priest it just the 5th most powerful That's why zeno needs guards
@@XeroBuster in anime piccolo can split up In anime and comic tienshin han can split up in to 4 different people And I don't understand why you say that because yourself suggest it's a possible multiform technique
The time is off I think because when whis first bring goku to beerus world goku was complaining about how much longer he needed to use the bathroom. After that when freeza came to earth all goku needed to get to earth in seconds was a power reading from gohan
There’s a big hole in your theory. Goku said when he goes super saiyan 3 he’s slower than super saiyan 2 but it’s a huge power increase. It’s a switch from speed to power
When Goku promised to bring Xeno someone to play with I thought he was gonna introduce Xeno to Goten and Trunks. I think that could have been some entertaining filler or setup episodes.
So by that logic when goku could instantly transport and Vegeta couldn't, then he was like thousands of times faster? No... it was just a skill he knew that Vegeta hadn't learned yet! Knowing a trick or skill that some else don't posses doesn't mean your faster or stronger...
Not gonna lie, the last sentence was really, really dumb. Its literally only natural that someone be stronger and/or faster than another with skillsets that exceed another's. That's literally like you're saying that someone is better than another at something they've done for years whereas someone without that skillsets be equal. No, horrible logic...
@@arslaanpasha3334 when vegeta had seen through his punches and pushed back jiren on his own and then finally landed a kick, probably you were blind that time 🤣
Question. How does one explain Dyspo being faster than light and sound? Even the Omni Kings could see him in slow motion, but yet he was still levels below Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, Top, and Jiren when it comes to fighting strength.
Everybody mentioned how fast the Guard's ,SUPREME KAIS and the Angels are, What about ZENO? When Goku pressed the button and released, It took less than a fraction of a second for ZENO to come from his world to Goku instantly.That's faster than the Supreme Kai's. What if DYSPO had the same life alert button and pressed it while he was at his Maximum speed of light to contact ZENO. How much faster can ZENO appear to him compared to Goku if he was using ULTRA INSTINCT pressing the life alert button? Just something to think about in my crazy theory scenarios. Both DYSPO and Goku had been given a button from each ZENO for the purpose of both playing a game of Hide-and-Seek or TAG YOUR IT! from both ZENOS to catch each other. Now what if Goku and Dyspo was in the same area and both pressed the buttons at the same time to contact the separate ZENOS .Which ZENOS would appear faster to them ? This shows the magnitude of how quick and The HIDDEN Unexplained powers of the ZENOS have at there disposal. This is beyond instant transmission or Ultra instinct. I Call this ULTRA TRANSMISSION INSTINCT LEVEL .The Abilities they posses to get away from danger since they can't see as fast but may have sense it .I need an explanation now!!!
My answer to that one is that Zeno has way more powers than what is shown so far and the reason he rearely gives a button to someone is becasue if he did he would constantly be called upon . A perfect exemple of this is the dragon balls , Like the old kai once said people have a tendency to rely to easely on them not realising the amount of dark energy that is poured into them after each use and not giving them enought time to get rid of that dark energy . If Zeno gave that button to a lot of people they would probably call him as often as they call the dragon . As for the fact that Zeno could not see them move anymore keep in mind that Zeno is a kid , a hundrreds of eons old kid but a kid still in his growth so its a power thats in him but hasn't found a way to use it yet or dont know that he has yet . Keep in mind that the only time he couldn,t see the fighters anymore was when Goku reach the ultra instinct form most fighters couldn't see their opponents move at a much lower level than that anymore . Zeno was able to untill goku went ultra instinct and that Giren had the same capability . The only reason the Zenos couldn,t see Hit move was because of the time skip that they didn't know he had at first . Since that one has everything to do with time instead of speed it was impossible for them to think that he wasn,t in fact moving faster than they could follow .
@@Whatdoyouwant2373 when Goku summoned him that was when he was in a different universe with a different Zeno coming to him but you remember when the original Zeno gave Goku the button and he pressed in front of him he made that comment he was still there for The first Zeno was aware of it. But then Goku press the button to go to Zeno on Beerus world he still didn't reach him he had to go through the Grand priest first. Poor Goku still not fast enough.
@@Whatdoyouwant2373 frieza has guards and he is the strongest of his army, same with king vegeta back then, just because he has guards doesnt mean he is not stronger than them, hell frieza didnt even fight any battle till he felt like doing so.
@@Whatdoyouwant2373 i doubt everyone fears him out of just that ability if it was that easy to take him down, Zeno is shown to actually have wisdom considering he gave universes a chance instead of deleting them right away and even said that if they didnt ask bringing the rest as a wish he would delete the winner too, he really hides a lot of stuff and is not even shown to be scared of anyone "strong" when he aproaches himself without guards, remember he came out the button without guards in a time he didnt even know who goku was and then delete zamasu.
Major Stats are based on Attack, Defense, and Speed. Intelligence, and passives come as minor stats. This theory simply isn't enough, as we also need to see their attack, and defense. Speedwise, the guards are faster, but in intelligence, Angels we're smarter. We don't have enough proof who is more powerful. If it's based only on speed, then why is Zeno the most powerful, despite being slower than the guards? It's because Zeno has more Passives, Attack, and possibly more defense than others.
So by the video do you mean that those two banana guards are part of the top 5 And also when Goku brought another Zeno those banana guards became 4 so i am so confused
@@Mr_OoOsH they did but only for Raditz, Piccolo powered up completly. Other beam cannons were fired in seconds so they were not fast and strong as first one was
My only problem with this theory is when Trunks & Vegeta used that form that caused them to get more bulky and stronger, those muscles also made them slower
It was using ki to enhance muscle mass so that more ki can come from physical potential thus increasing the total but true progress in ki levels is from multiple disciplines physical mental and spiritual improvement so the physical improvement was not balanced by the spirit and mind of the individual it was no better than roshi bulking up to put out a fire on mount frying pan for the ox king in DragonBall with the first Kamehameha shown in the series yes you gain more overall power but you don't maintain that balance to actualy use it effectively
Regarding the kamitube... Could it be that the staff the angels were carrying can actually be some sort of camera that allows video to be shown to the kamitube?
Depends on which direction. Is traveling to the nameless planet going towards zeno or away from zeno? That is probably a good quantifier to consider as well. If the movement is lateral. Then yeah it'll be neutral. It is all about the axis you know. It doesn't matter, the guard's power is the max.
At DBZ during SS2 most likely cell saga , their main problem is, when bigger in muscles they more stronger, but their speed is slower. Btw, banana guard??? Atleast we know they are zeno body part
Pls i want to know who are the top 5 strongest fighters in the multivers that Whis was talking about And he mentioned the Grand Priest so who are the remaining 4
Good Idea, but i think its not as simple as it looks like. Remember the Time Frieza attack Earth again. The Z Fighters were losing and near death. Gohan went super sayain so goku could sense his energy. After that he went with vegeta in a second to Earth with his teleportation and Block the attack from frieza which would killed gohan. Whis needs 24 min to Earth and goku 1 sec. We all Know whis is stronger than goku
Goku using instant transmission and the angel is flying that way. They different routes of travel which makes whis faster than goku. Duh. Goku is teleporting and whis is flying.
If it's a travel based technique it can't really be counted. If it did, then Supreme Kai's just outright stronger than Goku throughout the series, which is entirely untrue. Goku's flying travel speed would be far below Whis's during the RoF arc, for example.
I think the Banana Guards are fragments of Zeno. Considering that's not a too unfamiliar concept to dragon ball, fragmentation of power greatly serves a purpose to keep everyone in check. Cell and his cell jrs, even Buu and the idea that memories are essential to unlock Buu even further to his actual self, are all examples of fragmentation. Cell bluffed the Z fighters and got weaker to match the Cell JR. Power and strength as the cell jrs actually are replicas of Cell himself.
I mean, they have a different kind of "power" than mortal fighters. Imagine the world's strongest fighter vs a 14yo that, muscle-wise is really weak, speed-wise is really slow, but they can manipulate space and time. Perhaps they can even slow down time for themselves so that their reaction time is insanely fast. Who would win in this instance? It's comparing apples to oranges.
That rabbit guy on the tournament of power was the fastest on but not the strongest. Plus I didn't see any of the scenes you are showing. I guess those are the Japanese sub
So a T Rex can walk from one side of a city to the other side in 5 hours. Me in my car , I can do it in 30 minutes. I therefore must be 10 times stronger than a T Rex.....
In my opinion I think Zeno can see the future remember the last episode of the tournament of power when android 17 wishes for everyone to comeback to life after being erased by Zeno Zeno said to Goku that he new that was oll gonna happen even when he achieved ultra instinct and the tournament of power he new it all gonna happen That is why Zeno came to the tournament of those two gods of distraction, to have fun watching the fight and he new how it will end up because he can see the future and even he came late he can see the past so he can just watch that an then watch the outcome of the fight
My only question now is the grand angel stronger than the guards based on what we know about the grand angels power. We know he's stronger than the angels but also works with or maybe above the banana guards?
The grand priest is the strongest character you can tell by how he carries himself plus zero can't erase angles and I see it like zeno and the grand preist are like Beerus and whis
I think zeno guards are strongest fighter in the universe. Cause whiz never said that grand preist is the strongest. He is one of top 5 fighters. Even supreme Kai said that it doesn't matter who is in front zeno can never be defeated and his guard are always with him. Grand preist act as prime minister and caretaker . He can only suggest zeno what to do but cannot overturn his decision. Even angels got shocked when zeno guard came to stop Goku from approaching zeno. i think grand preist is above the guards only in authority not battle power.
About that zeno can erase them but he don't do that cause Angels are just mentor to god of destruction. There aim is to teach them and report their deeds to zeno. They are not involved with the universe. If zeno couldn't erase them then why beerus was shocked when grandpriest announced that angel won't be erased.
@@shubhamrathore2188 also it seems like the angels aren't from any specific universe, they're multiversal. They would have to be in order to be able to meet with each other which we see that they can do. So they aren't erased because they're not actually from the universe that is being erased, like deleting a folder on a pc. The angels aren't deleted because they're files that are outside that folder.
well then how do u explain kai kai cuz that technique is also capable of teleporting to zeno's palace in just a blink.. but kai's aren't that powerful (even weaker than dbs ToP master roshi to be precise)..
As for zeno in this video how he possibly came to the exact time of Goku and Hit's fight, let's go to the ending of the battle royale as per the ending zeno-sama already knew who's going to be the winner and what was the wish going to be, he already knew everything. Now if he knew everything and probably saw everything that is going to happen in the future, he knows everything. But if know what is going to happen why would he be wishing to see Goku fighting? Well my thoughts on that is like - Goku has done things that are surprising IN THE FUTURE... And now zeno-sama just wants to watch everything that Goku has done and how he has done it, and how he has become this strong or whatever he will become in the future, zeno- sama is just curious. And the future of DBZ is going to be very surprising and amazing, by just thinking of my theory. 😍
I think just like Zeno, the Guards don’t need battle power. They can manipulate time n space at will. It’s a different kind of power. Similar to Zeno being able to close his fist and erase timelines.
Being able to manipluate, or destroy time, is still considered an attack. It's a Low 2-C tiered attack power.
@@cursed7474 ahh all the anime pretend science bs
So you're basically saying they're reality warpers and don't really have "power levels" that makes sense, that would be cool too if it was true
@@cursed7474 that nonsense only applies in casual debate groups where they apply irl physics to fictional worlds that completely ignore irl physics.
@@michaeltreu4152 literally cringe seeing high school kids applying basic math n science to prove Goku is stronger than what's displayed or stated 🤣
The thing about them
Because Zeno isn't really invincible
In order to kill him
One just needs to attack faster than he can react to erase them
Zeno wasn't even able to keep up with Dyspo's moves when he was watching him fight
So to make sure nobody tries to kill zeno
They have to be ridiculously powerful
Just my opinion
it makes sense i also think that Zeno can be over powered and its not impossible if you throw the guards off.
@@unknown_gaming4209 yea no I'm pretty sure his durability is stupid high plus zero and the grand priest can see the future and past just like in the top they new someone would make a wish like the one 17 did
@@travonberry3924 *Zeno* and yes you have a point.
Not true even Zeno himself has a fighting form he’s playful but old and he definitely knows how to fight he’s older than even the grand priest all deity’s have an ultimate battle transformation
@@aaronodom2512 Where are you getting this "all deity's have an ultimate battle transformation" We have never seen zeno or the gp "Transform" into this "ultimate battle transformation" you have been watching to much dbh lol
It’s not as simple as speed increasing proportionately to strength. A huge plot point back in the Cell Saga was that the saiyans could increase their power nearly to SSJ2 with the SSJ 3rd grade form, but at the cost of their speed. Everyone was able to sense the greatly enhanced ki output though.
Speed was positively correlated to power in that saga. Just like you said, they upped power and sacrificed speed so they were in total weaker.
@@dma67111 It’s still relevant in Super Saga cause when that girl when Super Saiyan “Buff” on Goku during the Tournament of Power he told her something along the lines of “You put all ur focus into strength but you lost all your speed”
@@premejon8300 except it's not the same. It's not power or strength. They coyote have all the speed in the universe but if they have less power they won't damage the angels
Just like Pacquiao 🤣 oppsss sry to add him ✌️✌️
And how Ultra Instinct technically only increases his speed and reaction time, but not his physical power
The problem with all this is that it is assumed they did manually traveled there normally, The Grand Priest (presumably, though Zeno may poss this ability himself and might of done so himself, though it's more probably the Grand Priest did it, and it's possible the guards may also have the ability themselves as well) remember can also instantly transport them, which he did near/at the end of the future trunks saga when dealing with Zamasu.
Vegeta didn't say his speed increased because his power did. Infact he was kinda saying the opposite by saying that his speed had increased aswell. It implies that power can increase without speed or vice versa. Generally one would increase with the other as characters logically train both but it dosnt mean they both raise at the same amount. We have seen characters with lower power but higher speed and the other way way round, swoll Trunks for example.
That's true
Best examples are the Ginyu force
If we don't count Ginyu then
Recoom was the strongest but the slowest
Burter The blue one (don't know the English name) was the fastest but was just the 3rd strongest
Jeese (the red one) was the 2nd fastest and 2nd strongest
@@ChrisAtheist yea very true. Just to let you know the English names are the same. As far as I'm aware all the Western releases were the same. Anyway another good example would be possibly Pikkon and even in the newer stuff like in super there is Hit or Hitting Japanese, his power wasn't anything like Gokus but his martial technique and speed were incredible and thats without his special time skip technique. I mean an obvious one would be Gregory from king kais planet. When goku met him after Radiz goku had a high power level and strength level but Gregory had far far greater speed.
The problem is supreme Kai teleported to Zeno’s in seconds so by your logic he’s stronger the beerus
Ur right. His logic is wrong
I think it’s a little off but bottom line the guards are stronger than all the angels even the grand priest they exist before the angels you cannot be a protector of the king of all being weaker than any adversary if the grand priest was evil who would stop him from usurping the throne if he was stronger than the guards nobody could there must be balance Zeno not the grand priest is responsible for that job the grand priest job is to tend to his every wish and to protect the multiverse and uphold the law without bias remember the closer you are to the throne the stronger you are these guards never leave Zenos side not even in the presence of the grand priest and that’s for a reason
No think y'all got it wrong it's teleportation not raw speed so no he's not saying shins faster than beerus
@@aaronodom2512 Those guards are like giant action figures to Zeno easily replaceable he’s casually threaten them yet nothing like that has ever happened to an angel… Besides Grand priest has been recognized as the strongest fighter in the multiverse already
@@Jstwofunnyguys 👌🏽
I love that name you have given them
It's obvious that they're the strongest in the multiverse after zeno, they have to be in order to be the guards of zeno, it comes with job description
literally on their resumes
@@Fear2Luv exactly
It's pretty much an unwritten law in dragon Ball... "I'm faster than you because I'm stronger than you" 🤣
Whis also mentioned that it would take longer to travel because he was carrying so many people with him.
I subscribe bcuz you information is perfect plus i wanted to help you..
I've always said that the guards are the most powerful beings aside from Zino himself. The fight between Goku and Hit showing on the tv was after the event happened not during. Speed isn't equal to power because Goku's instant transmission is faster than an angel and when he first learned that, he wasn't as powerful as one by any stretch.
Teleportation is not equal to speed
@@pityu6244 it's what the supreme Kai uses to get to Zeno
@@opfreak might not be but the debate now is different. The debate is if you think instant transmission is speed or not? Because Whis uses a flying cube or his staff to move. He himself isn't moving that fast because he's clearly standing still.
Instant transmission isnt always instant and it definitely isnt better if almost every boss after it released could predict it
@@krisnyc9134 hes deliberately not moving fast, do u think he cant move faster? He caught Beerus off guard with instant transmission. Its how you move not always just speed
Cool video bro, ur videos are getting better every day, u are the next big thing out there🔥
Where's the next chapter of goku God
It was well calculated, but that 45 times greater might very well be the low end of their power level in comparison to Whis. That could be 1/3 of their full power level or 1/4. The reason I say this is because that’s been on another question. Is the grand angel more powerful than Lord Zenos royal guards? It is also unknown if the grand angel is the most powerful being in all the multi-verse. Because according to the MA which provide greater credence of canon than the manga. It was stated by Whis that his father “The Grand Angel” is 1 of the 5 Strongest In The Multiverse.” We have no idea if the grand angel is the most powerful or the weakest or mid tier in comparison to the other 4 combatants. And our Lord Zenos royal guards even included as combatants? Or is it literally only one of them?
Lord Zenos guards may be a multiform technique used by one individual so he may be stronger than the grand priest when he is not split into multiple copys but when using multiform he is still in the same realm of power as the grand priest
@@XeroBuster how about
Like you suggested it's one person split in to 4 however even with 1/4 he is the 2nd most powerful in the multiverse
And I don't think Zeno is one the 5th most powerful
My theory is he is just acting king of the gods of destruction
His father/mother is outside of the multiverse or imprisoned and is the most powerful
And I think the grand priest it just the 5th most powerful
That's why zeno needs guards
@@ChrisAtheist can you multiform then fusion dance with yourself
@@XeroBuster in anime piccolo can split up
In anime and comic tienshin han can split up in to 4 different people
And I don't understand why you say that because yourself suggest it's a possible multiform technique
@@ChrisAtheist you know in the manga there’s a scene of zeno’s guards relaxing? it’s two people, the extra two come from the future timeline
Love you from india🇮🇳❤
my man just destroyed those kaizzz😂😂😂😂😂 4:30
From the information you had, it was an awesome awesome analysis!!
The banana guards from adventure time😂
this is the fastest growing channel
“The banana gods”😂😂😂😂😂😂😆😆😂😂
thats great summarising, man! hari om
The time is off I think because when whis first bring goku to beerus world goku was complaining about how much longer he needed to use the bathroom. After that when freeza came to earth all goku needed to get to earth in seconds was a power reading from gohan
They ain't protecting zeno from you, they're protecting you from zeno
There’s a big hole in your theory. Goku said when he goes super saiyan 3 he’s slower than super saiyan 2 but it’s a huge power increase. It’s a switch from speed to power
agree. just like bullet trains and big trucks. faster doesn't mean stronger
When Goku promised to bring Xeno someone to play with I thought he was gonna introduce Xeno to Goten and Trunks. I think that could have been some entertaining filler or setup episodes.
Zeno would have destroyed the universe because of trunks and goten
Zeno isn't really a child you see, and children can be assholes at times, especially Goten and Trunks
So power level and speed go together then what the hell happened during the sales saga was super Saiyan 2
So by that logic when goku could instantly transport and Vegeta couldn't, then he was like thousands of times faster? No... it was just a skill he knew that Vegeta hadn't learned yet! Knowing a trick or skill that some else don't posses doesn't mean your faster or stronger...
Vegeta was still overpowering jiren in Tournament of power without instant transmission.
Vegeta's quick afterimage technique
Not gonna lie, the last sentence was really, really dumb. Its literally only natural that someone be stronger and/or faster than another with skillsets that exceed another's. That's literally like you're saying that someone is better than another at something they've done for years whereas someone without that skillsets be equal. No, horrible logic...
@@debasismuduli5010 lol what when did vegeta overpower jiren are u drunk? They didnt even land a perfect hit on jiren until goku went UI
@@arslaanpasha3334 when vegeta had seen through his punches and pushed back jiren on his own and then finally landed a kick, probably you were blind that time 🤣
@@debasismuduli5010 that kick wasnt even 0.1% dmg to jiren
Question. How does one explain Dyspo being faster than light and sound? Even the Omni Kings could see him in slow motion, but yet he was still levels below Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, Top, and Jiren when it comes to fighting strength.
than..its simple means goku vegeta and jiren and others are..faster than light
Better brains
Faster than light and sound lol. That’s like saying someone is faster than a fighter jet and a horse.
yup these guards are definitely over 9000!🤔
Maybe even 9 trillion
My man deserves so many subs Just look how much research he does for us.
All his "research" was just watching DragonBall and guessing my guy 🤣
@@TRMN8R03 watching and understanding what you're watching is two different things, like reading and reading for meaning
@@ricaldo3542 tho he said many shits
Wow! Nice!!!😎🙂
Captain Kirk would say what does a God need with security 🤣😂
Can you please let me know what app is the best to watch all chapter, season and epsoid in Dragonball
Vegeta looked so cool when he said “my speed increased aswell” 😭
The only thing you forgot is fusion ?
Hey can u please continue god of destruction goku...😬😬
You missed one point, the number of guards.
Zeno have two guards each so if we compare then 45 by 2 to get exact speed.
Everybody mentioned how fast the Guard's ,SUPREME KAIS and the Angels are, What about ZENO? When Goku pressed the button and released, It took less than a fraction of a second for ZENO to come from his world to Goku instantly.That's faster than the Supreme Kai's. What if DYSPO had the same life alert button and pressed it while he was at his Maximum speed of light to contact ZENO. How much faster can ZENO appear to him compared to Goku if he was using ULTRA INSTINCT pressing the life alert button? Just something to think about in my crazy theory scenarios. Both DYSPO and Goku had been given a button from each ZENO for the purpose of both playing a game of Hide-and-Seek or TAG YOUR IT! from both ZENOS to catch each other. Now what if Goku and Dyspo was in the same area and both pressed the buttons at the same time to contact the separate ZENOS .Which ZENOS would appear faster to them ? This shows the magnitude of how quick and The HIDDEN Unexplained powers of the ZENOS have at there disposal. This is beyond instant transmission or Ultra instinct. I Call this ULTRA TRANSMISSION INSTINCT LEVEL .The Abilities they posses to get away from danger since they can't see as fast but may have sense it .I need an explanation now!!!
agreed !
My answer to that one is that Zeno has way more powers than what is shown so far and the reason he rearely gives a button to someone is becasue if he did he would constantly be called upon . A perfect exemple of this is the dragon balls , Like the old kai once said people have a tendency to rely to easely on them not realising the amount of dark energy that is poured into them after each use and not giving them enought time to get rid of that dark energy . If Zeno gave that button to a lot of people they would probably call him as often as they call the dragon . As for the fact that Zeno could not see them move anymore keep in mind that Zeno is a kid , a hundrreds of eons old kid but a kid still in his growth so its a power thats in him but hasn't found a way to use it yet or dont know that he has yet . Keep in mind that the only time he couldn,t see the fighters anymore was when Goku reach the ultra instinct form most fighters couldn't see their opponents move at a much lower level than that anymore . Zeno was able to untill goku went ultra instinct and that Giren had the same capability . The only reason the Zenos couldn,t see Hit move was because of the time skip that they didn't know he had at first . Since that one has everything to do with time instead of speed it was impossible for them to think that he wasn,t in fact moving faster than they could follow .
@@Whatdoyouwant2373 when Goku summoned him that was when he was in a different universe with a different Zeno coming to him but you remember when the original Zeno gave Goku the button and he pressed in front of him he made that comment he was still there for The first Zeno was aware of it. But then Goku press the button to go to Zeno on Beerus world he still didn't reach him he had to go through the Grand priest first. Poor Goku still not fast enough.
@@Whatdoyouwant2373 frieza has guards and he is the strongest of his army, same with king vegeta back then, just because he has guards doesnt mean he is not stronger than them, hell frieza didnt even fight any battle till he felt like doing so.
@@Whatdoyouwant2373 i doubt everyone fears him out of just that ability if it was that easy to take him down, Zeno is shown to actually have wisdom considering he gave universes a chance instead of deleting them right away and even said that if they didnt ask bringing the rest as a wish he would delete the winner too, he really hides a lot of stuff and is not even shown to be scared of anyone "strong" when he aproaches himself without guards, remember he came out the button without guards in a time he didnt even know who goku was and then delete zamasu.
The title had nothing to do with this but still I've been wondering about them
Thats an awsome explanation😱
Major Stats are based on Attack, Defense, and Speed. Intelligence, and passives come as minor stats. This theory simply isn't enough, as we also need to see their attack, and defense. Speedwise, the guards are faster, but in intelligence, Angels we're smarter. We don't have enough proof who is more powerful.
If it's based only on speed, then why is Zeno the most powerful, despite being slower than the guards? It's because Zeno has more Passives, Attack, and possibly more defense than others.
Can u continue the story of God of destruction of Goku pls.
So by the video do you mean that those two banana guards are part of the top 5
And also when Goku brought another Zeno those banana guards became 4 so i am so confused
There are many examples of speed and power not being equal throughout dragonball, a recent example of this would be Dyspo.
Better one Raditz. It was said that Piccolo Special beam cannon is faster than light in early DBZ and Raditz have been able to dodge it.
@@marinmikuljan8665 many many characters have dodged that.
@@Mr_OoOsH they did but only for Raditz, Piccolo powered up completly. Other beam cannons were fired in seconds so they were not fast and strong as first one was
Bruh when new ep of hakai is coming im waiting 😑
Mann your stuff is so good Mann you need to get with then ppl who make dragon ball z so they have some more storylines to keep the series going
I love your pronunciation of "Whis."
Cool bro
What channel goes it comes on I'm missing all episodes
zino guards are apart of zino true body ;)
My only problem with this theory is when Trunks & Vegeta used that form that caused them to get more bulky and stronger, those muscles also made them slower
It was using ki to enhance muscle mass so that more ki can come from physical potential thus increasing the total but true progress in ki levels is from multiple disciplines physical mental and spiritual improvement so the physical improvement was not balanced by the spirit and mind of the individual it was no better than roshi bulking up to put out a fire on mount frying pan for the ox king in DragonBall with the first Kamehameha shown in the series yes you gain more overall power but you don't maintain that balance to actualy use it effectively
Yes cell stated this too
@@JesusGarcia-fn5fx also by future trunks age goku had put a 🐇 on the 🌙
I subbed.
Regarding the kamitube... Could it be that the staff the angels were carrying can actually be some sort of camera that allows video to be shown to the kamitube?
Depends on which direction. Is traveling to the nameless planet going towards zeno or away from zeno? That is probably a good quantifier to consider as well. If the movement is lateral. Then yeah it'll be neutral. It is all about the axis you know.
It doesn't matter, the guard's power is the max.
I'm early?...
At DBZ during SS2 most likely cell saga , their main problem is, when bigger in muscles they more stronger, but their speed is slower.
Btw, banana guard??? Atleast we know they are zeno body part
They seem a little chill (goku ignores and works by them) “why dose the grpund feel soft oh im on a cloud now”
Pls i want to know who are the top 5 strongest fighters in the multivers that Whis was talking about
And he mentioned the Grand Priest so who are the remaining 4
Plz add more full episodes of dragon ball haki
He sounds like Guga…The Chef
Fascinating
If that's the case then why isn't supreme Kai the strongest if speed can be used to calculate everyone's strengths
How about dyzpo, is he stronger than jiren? He is faster than the others
no.
Can you tell me the episode & season name plz plz
They're as powerful as the writer makes them to be
Good Idea, but i think its not as simple as it looks like. Remember the Time Frieza attack Earth again. The Z Fighters were losing and near death. Gohan went super sayain so goku could sense his energy.
After that he went with vegeta in a second to Earth with his teleportation and Block the attack from frieza which would killed gohan.
Whis needs 24 min to Earth and goku 1 sec.
We all Know whis is stronger than goku
Goku using instant transmission and the angel is flying that way. They different routes of travel which makes whis faster than goku. Duh. Goku is teleporting and whis is flying.
If it's a travel based technique it can't really be counted. If it did, then Supreme Kai's just outright stronger than Goku throughout the series, which is entirely untrue. Goku's flying travel speed would be far below Whis's during the RoF arc, for example.
I think the Banana Guards are fragments of Zeno. Considering that's not a too unfamiliar concept to dragon ball, fragmentation of power greatly serves a purpose to keep everyone in check. Cell and his cell jrs, even Buu and the idea that memories are essential to unlock Buu even further to his actual self, are all examples of fragmentation. Cell bluffed the Z fighters and got weaker to match the Cell JR. Power and strength as the cell jrs actually are replicas of Cell himself.
I mean, they have a different kind of "power" than mortal fighters. Imagine the world's strongest fighter vs a 14yo that, muscle-wise is really weak, speed-wise is really slow, but they can manipulate space and time. Perhaps they can even slow down time for themselves so that their reaction time is insanely fast. Who would win in this instance? It's comparing apples to oranges.
There the Extension of him. So there stranger then all the angles & Grand Priest 💯💯
Where are you going to watch this?
That rabbit guy on the tournament of power was the fastest on but not the strongest. Plus I didn't see any of the scenes you are showing. I guess those are the Japanese sub
Please 🙏 more goku God of destruction., I just subscribe come one
So a T Rex can walk from one side of a city to the other side in 5 hours. Me in my car , I can do it in 30 minutes. I therefore must be 10 times stronger than a T Rex.....
That T Rex boutta get his a** beat
Not you your car is
Ya run that t Rex over. He will die ten times.
@TechnoBlade FF more like faster more endurance haha
If your car was a dbs character that was actually an alien robot, both using the concept of ki. Yes
Good
When can we expect the next chapters of god of destruction goku
Give us Goku the god of destruction in training
Where can’t we hear the characters voices? Why is there a commentator?
In my opinion I think Zeno can see the future remember the last episode of the tournament of power when android 17 wishes for everyone to comeback to life after being erased by Zeno Zeno said to Goku that he new that was oll gonna happen even when he achieved ultra instinct and the tournament of power he new it all gonna happen
That is why Zeno came to the tournament of those two gods of distraction, to have fun watching the fight and he new how it will end up because he can see the future and even he came late he can see the past so he can just watch that an then watch the outcome of the fight
He even mention that universe 7 was going to win, whenever they were all gathering their fighters.
Series nam plz !!
Strange thing is what happened to the other Zeno guards?
English voice for zeno is nightmare fuel
My problem is why is the picture always different from the entire story?
I love it. Banana Guards from Adventure time
😮 👍👏👏
Which episode it is!
Where can I continue watching Dragon balls, please help
Where can I watch all the episodes of dbz
By the speed = power logic, Goku surpassed Zeno when Zeno had to use a godpad to keep up with TOP
Which is OBVIOUSLY not true
The title is misleading
Nicely said “ internet of the God”
Where can I watch these episodes?
Power and speed can increase separately. I.e. when vegeta ascended super saiyan he was more powerful stronger, but bulkier and slower.
That only applied to ss2 from what I recall
Some of the clips are from the Channel of Master Media.
My only question now is the grand angel stronger than the guards based on what we know about the grand angels power. We know he's stronger than the angels but also works with or maybe above the banana guards?
The grand priest is the strongest character you can tell by how he carries himself plus zero can't erase angles and I see it like zeno and the grand preist are like Beerus and whis
I think zeno guards are strongest fighter in the universe. Cause whiz never said that grand preist is the strongest. He is one of top 5 fighters. Even supreme Kai said that it doesn't matter who is in front zeno can never be defeated and his guard are always with him. Grand preist act as prime minister and caretaker . He can only suggest zeno what to do but cannot overturn his decision. Even angels got shocked when zeno guard came to stop Goku from approaching zeno. i think grand preist is above the guards only in authority not battle power.
About that zeno can erase them but he don't do that cause Angels are just mentor to god of destruction. There aim is to teach them and report their deeds to zeno. They are not involved with the universe. If zeno couldn't erase them then why beerus was shocked when grandpriest announced that angel won't be erased.
@@shubhamrathore2188 also it seems like the angels aren't from any specific universe, they're multiversal. They would have to be in order to be able to meet with each other which we see that they can do. So they aren't erased because they're not actually from the universe that is being erased, like deleting a folder on a pc. The angels aren't deleted because they're files that are outside that folder.
Yup that's the case.
well then how do u explain kai kai cuz that technique is also capable of teleporting to zeno's palace in just a blink.. but kai's aren't that powerful (even weaker than dbs ToP master roshi to be precise)..
Goku sounded funny 😂😂
Yo what is that first animation at the beginning?
As for zeno in this video how he possibly came to the exact time of Goku and Hit's fight, let's go to the ending of the battle royale as per the ending zeno-sama already knew who's going to be the winner and what was the wish going to be, he already knew everything. Now if he knew everything and probably saw everything that is going to happen in the future, he knows everything. But if know what is going to happen why would he be wishing to see Goku fighting? Well my thoughts on that is like - Goku has done things that are surprising IN THE FUTURE... And now zeno-sama just wants to watch everything that Goku has done and how he has done it, and how he has become this strong or whatever he will become in the future, zeno- sama is just curious. And the future of DBZ is going to be very surprising and amazing, by just thinking of my theory. 😍
“Surprised, i didnt see anything tonking about these guys.”