Author Jonathan Haidt discusses "The Anxious Generation"
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Rates of depression, anxiety and suicide among young people in the United States have risen dramatically in the last decade. A highly anticipated book tracks the possible causes - and offers potential solutions.
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The fact that all these tech executives don’t let their kids use their own technology says it all.
You and your family’s well being is none of their concern. They just want your attention and money.
@@kevinbernatek7875 I'm confused, how was your reply even remotely related to the op?
@@youwild00Let me clear it up for you:
Read the original comment. Then read his reply.
Hope this helps.
@@GabrielBaconbahahahahaha I mean it’s pretty clear
Seriously, what more do you need to know?
As a 44 year old man I have given up watching tv during the week and the amount of motivation and free time I now have is amazing, which has also led to lower stress levels. I can only imagine how messed up these kids must be.
I haven't watched tv regurlarly since about 2006. But I was having trouble with smartphone addiction, so starting in 2018 I deleted all my social media and many many apps that kept me glued to the screen. I force myself to pretend I'm living in a pre-smartphone era so I can read and focus on my thoughts or even just sit still doing nothing. But to this day I am still fighting smartphone addiction. It's a compulsion, whenever my hand is free I'll pull out my phone and look at it even without clicking anything. So if it's this hard for me, I can't imagine how hard it is for young people for whom this kind of tech has always been a part of their lives.
Ignorance is bliss, but people that have to live in the future are tired and scared.
car-free walkable cities would help to lower anxiety levels. remember, cities aren't loud, cars are LOUD.
As a parent hearing a young person say the words "I'm proud of myself" is everything! ❤❤❤
I would actually say it's the "Self" in the mind which doesn't exist which is causing the most pain. We just don't realize it yet
I’ve been teaching middle school for 12 years , it has gotten so much worse
How so madam?
I can answer that question. As an educator and parent of teenagers myself, I can tell you that kids are boss in our modern homes. Parents set no limits so the kids are on their devices all hours of the night. They then show up to school tired and grumpy unable to engage with their schoolwork or their peers.
...and so they're anxious and depressed so they're on all sorts of pharmaceudicals to combat the anxiety and depression. It's a mess but I'm glad that at least the problem is finally being recognized.
Is social media even "social" anymore? It may have been at its beginning, but it's now hypnotical. Maybe we should rephrase it "hypnotical media". There's a mindfulness workbook called 30 Days Without Social Media by Harper Daniels that I think goes great with Jonathan's book. It's so important to take long breaks from social media.
when it first started, social media was limited to your own friends. if you think about it now, 99% of content we consume is from complete strangers, not even in our personal network. to that end, you're right that it's less social than ever.
Parasocial
I love what Haidt has to say. He's spot on. The only thing I disagree with him is that the world for children really is safer in almost every way EXCEPT pedestrian/cyclist safety. That's what makes me and my friends who are parents the most nervous. Compared to when I grew up as a latchkey kid of the 90s, drivers are now far more distracted, and mostly sit in giant SUVs with poor visibility and are far deadlier to anything or anyone they might hit. I don't worry about kidnappers or other crime. But I do worry about drivers.
Spot on. A pedestrian was hit near a local school by someone driving a new gen pickup. The driver didn't see them because of the "blind-spot" created by the massive front end.
Agreed! I was plowed into by a delivery driver with my friend's 5-year-old in a crosswalk last year. Distracted with his phone, go figure.
@@laz7267 back in the 90s drivers were less distracted, cars were much smaller and less intimidating, and they were much slower too. It's pretty disconcerting when a huge SUV turns onto my residential road and floors it to 45 mph just to get to the stop sign end of the block. School pickup/dropoff is nuts too. There are so many huge SUVs, it's not surprising or unreasonable that parents are nervous to let their kids walk or bike to school. Kids can be totally hidden out of drivers' sightlines. The data clearly shows it's getting more dangerous to be a pedestrian or a biker, and that has a seriously chilling effect on childhood freedom.
Keep in mind that a lot of drivers are also staring at a phone while driving
Find a neighborhood with green space nearby, preferably a neighborhood without a throughway. Take them out from the age of 2 onward and teach them how to navigate the neighborhood & cross streets. Give them “missions” to go on when they’re 4-5 (go bring these flowers to mommy and come right back out and find me). By the time they’re 6-8 they can safely play in the neighborhood and self govern.
As a 21 yr old… I LOVED this.
Get a job and go to college
@Jay-jb2vr I'm 27 have a college degree in diesel technology. What next, oh wise one?
I admit our family is guilty of this and I've seen it first hand when I noticed my nephew being anxious in a social public setting. I think as parents it's always a battle of keeping everything together. We want more time to work and we do that by distracting our kids with devices because we are sometimes lazy in nurturing them but at the same time, we're not teaching them how to survive by being overprotective.
Awww. Barbara was so stoked & proud to go grocery shopping. 🥰 That’s what they need- some autonomy and real life experiences. They want to feel capable.
My niece is so addicted that she has to juggle two devices. She will play 2 shows at once, but she can usually only retain interest for a couple minutes. Its so sad.
A bit of a tangent, but I wonder how our car culture has discouraged kids going to the store on their own. So many places in the U.S. are not walkable.
I'm 36. When I was a kid *grumpy old man noises*- my neighborhood was mostly sedans, minvans, and the occasional utility truck. Even the pavement princess trucks were much smaller. Now it's like everyone and their cousin has a glorified shortbus and their driving it like an unhinged psychopath.
I'm a 31-year-old man, and social media is also addictive for millennials and some older generations as well. Facebook, RUclips, and Instagram boomed in the late 2000's/early 2010's, so I've experienced some of the negative effects of these platforms during my teen and early adult years.
I didn't know so many kids could use their phones in school. I couldn't fiddle with the calculator.
It's constant and teachers don't have the support to stop it
It's pointless trying to "stop" it. EVERYBODY has a cellphone. It's like telling everybody with a car to atop driving their car.
@letsgocnote They can't. Smartphones are so ubiquitous though and entrenched in society that schools don't have many options. Also, the whole calculators thing was kind of pointless once you get into high school (or middle school depending on how advanced you were and if the teacher made you show your work)
Check in the phones at beginning of class! Kids don't have any need for phones during class. If they need a calculator, buy them one.
I was born in the 80s and I was not allowed to go anywhere alone.
I"m so glad to see Haidt getting the word out there of this trend and its causes.
He's a hack
@@BonusEggs4Sale Ah...well, OK then. The man has spoken. Haidt is a hack, and that is that. Well done.
@@BonusEggs4Sale He's not wrong
I would argue an anxiety and addiction driven society is the ideal type of a capitalist world. This is what it's like to constantly seek growth.
"This is what it's like to constantly seek growth" this is genious. Were digging our own....
Precisely, in a capitalist world, growth is everything
The words "Year on Year", "Quarter on Quarter" itself makes me anxious.
@@joedirago14 but growth for a few only
As a person who was diagnosed with anxiety, I think an anxious, addicted world is dystopian. Healthy, motivated people make up an ideal world regardless of the economic system.
There’s more Grace for this generation than there’s ever been. It will get better and better for us
Too many kids in broken homes or no parents out there who unfortunately have no good influences way more now than in the 90s.
Corporate media doesn't want to talk about that.
But those aren’t the only kids this is affecting. This is affecting literally EVERYONE.
Another thing that needs to be done is to remove the looming threat of a visit by someone from Child Protective Services and/or the police because someone saw their kid outside without adult supervision.
This is the biggest thing that wasn’t talked about. I have smart kids that I trust to do things, but I don’t trust a well-meaning Karen who think she’s doing the right thing by calling the police and telling them that a child is being “neglected” or “unsafe” because they’re unaccompanied. Too many cases of parents having their kids taken because they were alone.
This exact thing happened to us in October. A neighbor called CPS for our son playing outside.
Independence is the best feeling.
Nodding my head in agreement, on my smartphone...😂
My son got his smart phone when he was 18. I didn't have a choice then. I resisted requests from his coach to get him a phone and I am glad I did. He is hooked to his phone now, obviously, but at least he was protected during those critical years.
If parents only knew what their kids are watching at school, they would do the same.
Why did his coach demand/request that your son have a smart phone?
The whole idea of the iphone/smartphone invention was to (connect and learn) to create a better society.
But the companies learned they could make more money (addicting and brainwashing) your kid into trendy topics.
This entire nation is a farm. Corporations put schemes in place so you can go from one addiction/ailment to another.
High schools are increasingly requiring kids have access to social media for everything from updating sports calendars to buying tickets to the Homecoming dance. It's really sad. The sports themselves are heavy in apps. The days of scoreboards are over. You have to follow scores and standings on an app now.
Wow. He is 18 and you bought him a phone. He is an adult now, he should buy his own phone at age 18.
"I think most of the apps dont really care" smart kid
"I feel really proud of myself." You go Barbara!!
As a millennial, I didn’t get a smart phone until I was able to buy it for myself (after getting job after college). As a future mom, I will do the same for my kids. If you want one, you go get a job after turning 16 and buy one. I will not fuel this society’s addiction any more. And yes, there’s nothing wrong with saying it’s an addiction when people absolutely need to carry it around with them everywhere and it’s the first thing they reach for in the morning
Yes! I would love it if we could collectively agree to these and do what is needed to protect our families.
How about starting by letting the kid to go to store with a sibling/friend together?
Tech companies are for-profit businesses, of course, they'll say social media isn't harmful or deflect responsibility to someone else. Families need to take personal responsibility.
Same logic that Purdue claimed Oxy wasn't addictive.
These companies always lie for profits.
Haidt is a genius. Can't wait to read this one. "The Coddling of the American Mind" was brilliant.
I hope we continue having conversations like this(:
I've heard those arguments against social media and phones- and I'm it is true. What I don't understand is why parents don't simply control the access. Kids don't have data if parents don't supply it, or at least control the amount and times of access.
I had my first anxiety attack while scrolling through instagram like in middle school, been struggling with mental illness ever since I’m 22 now.
Nah, no social media until 16 is wild. I was making a Myspace behind my Mom's back at 13 in the library.
Our kids are the Guinea pigs for figuring out what to do next
These stories often don’t acknowledge the lack of public phones. If a child is out of the house without a cell phone and need help, there is no clear way for them to get help. Phones are certainly overused, but they are a safety need.
Paranoia
See this is the kind of thinking that’s causing the anxiety. No. Phones aren’t a “need” in any way. How did kids ever survive in the 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s.. without phones? Simple. They aren’t NEEDED
Flip phones are still a Thing.
What could a young kid be out doing where they would need a phone but don't have access to one? If they're at a friend's house or at school, there is certainly a phone within reach for emergencies. I grew up in the 90s and I used a payphone maybe a dozen times and that was just to tell mom I was ready to be picked up
It starts at home with the parents / guardians. Too many parents don’t know how to say the word NO to their kids. Instead of letting their kids use screens every time all the time i.e. babysitter they should instead , especially in public places teach their kids etiquette , social skills. Life isn’t about fun all the time. Sometimes you have to sit quietly, be social and learn patience .
I like this piece. Great journalism guys!
I don’t understand why parents nowadays let their kids have phones so young. It literally seems so obvious that it’s not the way to go.
I went to the neighborhood store when I was 5. That would be child abandonment today.
Which decade
great piece!!
That is a very smart kid who said "most of the apps don't really care!"
Most of the comments here relate to young people. I've seen it even with the elderly!
My aunt is 82 and didnt bother with smartphones until she was mid 70s. The phone is now her entire life. Obviously its not Tiktok etc its more for messaging, photos, instant contact with friends n family. But the addiction is the same level of need that you'd see in a teenager. The phone must always be at hand.
Don't have a phone. People are amazed when I tell them that. Email and chat on my laptop is all I need
Sir you have to call people when you’re out and about.
Back in the 00s, I remember you could take days, if even a full week to get back to someone and it was ok. Now things are moving faster and faster where people expect responses within minutes. I still have 00s mentality, I'll get back to you a time that is convenient to my busy schedule, and no I am not always near or on my phone.
I drop my 9 and 11 year old sons off in our neighborhood a few streets away and tell them to figure out how to get home. When they do I give them a treat. Got to build that sense of independence and sense of direction. Can’t stand the thought of my daughter doing it though, she’s 7.
Dr. Haidt is best consumed in long term.
People like him posses true vision of the future by studying and observing reality now. He’s a leading thinker amongst us, no doubt.
Love this man, protect him at all costs
Hes not a business professor, hes a social psychologist.
Kids don’t need a smartphone. But I don’t see the issue with not having a cell phone.
Anxiety!! We experienced a mass school shooting in our hometown. It changed our lives forever. Society has changed in more ways than he describes in his book sadly.
iPhone and social media is the new cigarettes, the new smoking…
We have a responsibility to make sure the next generations do not spend their childhood scrolling!!! They should be outside!!! I loved video great job CBS!
I'm a 90s baby. My mom didn't let me go out on my own until 15. I could walk to school at 12-13, but out into the city? 15.
It’s not just that generation mostly all generations. I think anxiety is up in general. I do feel bad that we older folks seem to judge the young folks for being anxious/socially awkward when they are just using what they have
No, it's our young generation. As detailed with, like, you know, facts.
I don’t think this is a judgement on kids. It’s a collective problem that all of us-parents, kids, companies, and institutions-have let ourselves fall into. If you read or listen to Haidt, he’s pretty clear that this is not the fault of the kids. As another commenter put it, we’ve made them the guinea pigs in a large and damaging experiment.
These apps are made to be addictive. This all goes back to money.
My own parents didn't let me have a flip phone until I was 16, and I didn't have a smartphone until I graduated at 18. But conversely, I was not allowed to go over to friends' houses, and they weren't allowed over to mine. My first friend gathering at my house was at my 18th birthday/graduation party. And of those friends, 3 of them were mine, and the rest were cousins.
My parents were both first responders on the fire department, so they justified it by saying that they'd seen the world, and they knew how many predators there were out there. Predators were around every corner apparently because my old birthday parties at 5-7 were always had in public, and at 8, they stopped allowing me to have birthday parties altogether.
When the documentary asked: "What, then, are kids supposed to do?", my answer is: yes, I did stare at a wall for a lot of hours for as long as I can remember. When, I wasn't day-dreaming (which was often), I was cleaning the house, reading books, or doing homework. You do the best you can with what you have.
Would love to take phones from kids in my classroom, but bet you a parent would sue me in a new york minute if that phone had even looked like it was damaged by a speck of dust in my possession, and school wouldnt back us. Too much liability limits us taking phones in high school.
They could try to sue, but, three things: 1. It would never go anywhere because the courts don't side with parents on this (and they never have), 2. No lawyer would take it because of number one unless there was a *massive* retainer, and 3. Most families would see the amount of the retainer and say "NOPE." I never worry about "getting sued" over students' cell phones. It's a customer service issue, not a legal one, and everyone knows that.
Jonathan Haidt is becoming the wisest man in the world.
No social media till 16 is a big ask? That is itself indicative of the scale of the problem, while at the same time not being enough. Age of majority! Give them time to form those authentic, meaningful, painful, rewarding, growing-up relationships that come throughout adolescence, and then they'll have the tools to recognize shallow, addictive tech patterns when they're hit rather than take them as normal. As a high school teacher, I've actually seen this positively done with pop, of all things. "Coke? Who likes that? It's so sweet. Can I have some orange juice?" When kids are given a chance to solidify healthy patterns they are less susceptible to unhealthy ones.
I am reading this book right now. It is excellent. The main points that I’m getting are that children require vigorous outside play real life play with other children. Over use of technology directly inhibits that. Parent should play a greater role in restricting excessive Internet usage Until an age when the child’s/teenagers brain is ready for it.
I'm not going to let my 6-year-old walk to the park or school by themselves just because I did it or gramps did it. There's got to be some layers here where a parent can keep their child relatively safe, but the child can practice self-autonomy.
I totally agree! I disagree with the author, society is not safer than 20 or 40 years ago.
Agree!! I wish we could let our kids go to the park by themselves or play outside alone but I always paranoid about kidnappers, it's sad but it's reality.
It is safer than before. There's just a lot more information available now that makes people more paranoid, thus creating paranoid parents projecting to their children
@@catherinezandi8033 Well we have these things called CRIME STATISTICS that would argue otherwise.
Yes, balance is important. There are negative consequences to being too lax as a parent, also. (I was always a free range child and while I grew into an independent capable adult I also completely lack self discipline as a result of doing whatever I wanted through my childhood.) Society has a way of swinging too far in either direction instead of finding the common sense middle ground.
Interestingly the kid in the middle of class after 6:00 time is a girl student with blue top who never raised her hand whenever teacher named social media platforms one by one. I guess she is out of every social media platform, may be she is the best kid others need to emulate.
Hey Babs, you're not wrong-- the phone is literally addicting. You're a smart kid. 👍🏻
You dont need to be an nyu professor to figure this out
Definitely look more into his work. The problems he outlines go so much deeper than this CBS puff peice. But yes, seems obvious lol
Everyone knows but cannot shout out. It’s not easy to implement these initiatives when parents are unable to control their own smart phones. I stop using social media and people around me think I am strange.
The special thing about Jonathan isn’t his degree but that he is spending his life‘s energy working in the real world to try to solve the problem.
Well sure, just to figure out yourself... but many are in denial and need others (here, an expert) just to be reminded.
I was under protected as a kid and I have mental health issues and don’t see a problem with how the next generation is being raised other than the lack of training and trust around new technology
Mom says she doesn't like to protect her kid and stay in constant contact. And then she does exactly that. Mom, you are the reason your daughter is depressed.
It is scary. They have a unique battle.
Not just technology. Anxiety is on the rise by the unrealistic expectations the school systems place on children too. The high demand they put on very young children is ridiculous! Let them be kids! They are also responsible. They sell our children to tech companies that constantly sell them “educational” programs that hook children into devices at very young age. Parents are forced to buy devices that are required by schools. So, the ban should be in schools and at home. But great point and a great start to this holistic conversation.
honestly no smartphones before high school is similar to how I grew up for the most part.
you should need to be 18 to be on social media
i need to hear the reactions of these tech ceo's who know their genius ideas committed so much harm
What if, in the end, the social media interaction was a superficial diagnosis? What if the current social media landscape simply highlights that there is no singular hierarchy and thus no place to be secured in it? It's been known for a long time that some personality types feel constant disorientation without explicit social strata and a way to locate oneself within them. I mean, look around. Status-seeking behavior hijacks ideation and we've cultivated that into personal insecurity on purpose so that consumers will buy things defensively, just to prove to others they deserve love or respect.
I don't know. I just don't feel comfortable with single-answers to complex, multivariate problems. Haidt has himself a story and is selling books with it. He's the only one with good reason to invest in this hypothesis. And remember - that's all it is.
I remember the Simpsons episode in which Marge asked Bart how many hours a day he watched television. His answer: “Six…Seven if there’s something good on”.
That was in 1991. The cultural rot that blossomed in the arid dessert known as social media has roots in television. Let’s not neglect that.
Taking the car out alone the day after turning 16 was one of the most exhilarating things I did
Read all his books. Pretty powerful.
Seeing Americans’ kids by the time they are 17-19, I will say this is not the parents’ fault completely. This is just how American youth are today: narcissistic, shallow, fine with distractedness, fine with diagnoses, and arrogant. They may change for the better, but I doubt it. Most of them will have life lessons smack them into awareness of just how unspecial they are, just much later than the previous norm for that wake-up call.
Jonathon Haight is awesome.
I just see a lot of people exposing their kids so they can be strong and normal and blah blah blah. There's a big difference between overprotecting and protecting your kids. What I see is a lot of irreversible consequences out of negligence and an extreme lack of discernment.
Too protective in real life and not protective enough on the internet can be applied to adults as well.
It isn’t hard to keep your kids off of social media! You need to be a parent. They don’t need phones and once they have them set the controls to where they can not download apps.
People really won't get it, but the problem isn't technology, its the algorithms. Late millennials had social media, but the internet was a place, not a commodity like it is now.
Yeah, and don’t be surprised when your kid doesn’t grow in life at the same rate you did. Everything in their life will be later than yours.
I think the internet changes everything. Its not real, its just lights and mirrors, but it becomes the only reality kids have. Do kids go out and play and fight and race bikes and get hurt and get up and all this without a phone. No. We played outside till it was time to eat and in the summer we were so dirty the sweat left soot all over us. I loved being a kid cause I did not have to deal with my parents, just my peers. I remember one summer we found a big lot and we played baseball every chance we had all summer long. It was wonderful. All these decades later, it is still one of the sweetest memories. The baseball summer.
She grabbed “Fruity Pebbles, ramen noodles, and Doritos”. Ironically, equally as dangerous.
“I don’t want to say addicting” lol just say what it is
Why only children in America ? Have you forgotten the whole world ?
2:00 4:33 5:25
It's enjoyable when being with friends and not having my cellphone with me.
I'm not opposed to his ideology. My problem is that this doesn't work in a society such as we have in America. Other countries with thriving economies, lower rates of depression, active bodies, less health risks, higher education rates, and low factors of crime and gun restrictions can lean into this (i.e. Japan, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, etc...). Again, a place like America, it can not. We live in an fear based incubator due to the actual reality of what is continuing to take place here in the US and the dissolution of our quality of life.
The fact that the male host expressed how unrealistic the ask is says it all.. haidt is on to something
Information overload via free access to the internet has given me anxiety as a middle aged adult especially since the pandemic. These asks are the bare minimum to protect our families.
“Its the caffeine,the nicotine,the miligrams of tar..” if you know,you know
Lmao at Zuckerberg with his BS on no evidence 😂
You can't compare how we live to back in the day when the option wasn't even there. OK, yes we like to track our 10 year old kid using technology but saying "Well we didn't do that 40 years ago". Ya we also didn't have air bags in cars so should we rip them all out? Our parents (in the 80-90s) also smoked 2 packs a day, should we go back there? The answer isn't in "how we used to do it" it's in adapting to what we have today. Maybe the first time our kid comes home and says "I'm depressed" we had them clean the entire basement.....maybe after that they wouldn't be so depressed. We give into our kids "feelings" WAY too much. "Oh little pookie, was 7th grade math hard today? Here have a hot coco and relax". We should be saying "Get used to it, now go shovel the driveway".
The tech companies have way too much power.
The majority of people shouldn't be parents to begin with and to compensate for their lack of parenting skills - and because of their stupidity - they simply put a phone in their kids' hands and let that do the "work" for them.
Any parent that gives their child a smartphone before that child can work and pay for it themselves should be ashamed of themselves.
Parents have to be more involved in their children's education , outlook on life by example. Critical thinking and civics need to be taught in school.
Age 15 to 18 adolesants that work ADHD CAN PAY A PSYCHIATRIST
I think about pollution a lot, too
My question has always been, WHY? Why did parents of kids create an environment that has now resulted in this situation? Can't blame it on the technology, because parents are the ones that have allowed their kids to be attached to their phones and technology. The issue of helicopter parenting is the one that baffles me the most. Where and Why did/do Gen X parents and Millennial parents feel the need to over-parent their kids? It definitely was not the way our parents modeled behavior for us! It has ultimately created many kids that lack social skills and lack communication skills, but probably the most harmful, is a lot of them cannot handle any type of adversity or fall apart when something is hard or doesn't go their way. It has been a huge injustice to those kids, again I don't blame the kids, I blame the parents for raising them without thinking HOW it was going to affect their lives. Problem is, it will only get worse because those kids then raise kids and it will cycle out of control.
The cell phone ruined society.