The USA's Withdrawal from Afghanistan: Strategic Failure, Logistical Nightmare
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No.
Joe Biden’s just released his report on his failed Afghanistan withdrawal and guess what? It’s Trumps fault. Go figure.
“The opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.”
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
An actual sun tzu quote
American military abandoning Bagram was a total mouth breather moment. A large airbase ideal for evacuation and leaving all that equipment behind on top of it.
It was about 50 miles away. And it's not a great road. I've made the trip.
@@charlesdavenport2543 people would have loved to be allowed to walk that 50 miles for a chance to leave. The govt just telling people to forget about evacuating kind of says it all how bad it was.
Leaving all of those PEOPLE! Screw the equipment. There were so many people we could've helped and we left them. People who helped us in the past even. And we left them behind.
The administration is totally incompetent, whoever actually runs it. Of course Trump bashing. What else is new?
I was in Bagram in 2011
Most Americans would agree that leaving Afghanistan was the right thing to do. The way we left is what makes it such a tragic and shameful situation.
Sometimes when the US Says it has a Withdrawl plan to me its actually the opposite cuz they say that but deep inside they didnt looked like then wanted to leave. like Vietname
@@joaobaptista8377 Vietnam went smoother. We left there without consequence in 1973 and the south Vietnamese held for 2 years. The famous Saigon fall you hear of us was us evacuating our embassy. They expected the same thing in Afghanistan, but the government forces just gave up right away.
The phrase “ripping the bandaid” comes to mind. It’s a bit painful, but only for a moment and then it’s done-and you eventually have to do it.
Had America stayed a lot more people would’ve died since the Taliban would’ve started fighting again-now using the equipment captured from the ANA and from a position of strength.
I'm of the minority with the unpopular view that we should have scrapped the 2020 Doha Agreement and stayed in Afghanistan. But if we did, we would not have been able to support Ukraine as much as we do currently.
@@joaobaptista8377 If the Biden admin hadn't pushed for the withdrawal to be sooner, the military would have had more time to do its job. It also doesn't help when politicians get involved in military matters, when they know nothing about it.
I feel it is important to note that the Taliban really didn't have any leverage in this situation until the US gave it to them. It was abundantly clear that the planned date was not going to work by mid-Summer. The withdrawal date could have easily been pushed back a month or two to prevent this humanitarian crisis. Instead, military and government leadership pressed on for the September 11 deadline for symbolism. It was a totally self-imposed deadline that lead to a loss of innocent and military lives.
Or it could have started sooner.
And also, with the Taliban advancing and breaking all the points of the dubious “negotiations”, it could’ve been well within the U.S’ parameters to not follow their self-imposed deadline - why hold your end of the bargain when the other side already lit their end on fire? Understandably the U.S/we just wanted out, but I think the pull out should’ve been delayed when it became clear that the Taliban was going to Taliban.
its kind of insane how the government handled the pull out so terribly it actually had Americans wanting to go BACK just to try and fix the issues stemming from the withdraw after Americans had spent over 15 years wondering why we were still in Afghanistan
And then pushed th date forward to August 31st. Great, make an impossible situation more impossible.
@@arthas640 guys just didn't WANT to go back, they did go back. Task Force Pineapple was getting people out one at a time and was compromised of US Special Operations Forces in an unofficial capacity.
It's mind boggling that during 90% of my life we have been in Afghanistan.
It's almost insidious how much we've stayed in a foreign country...
Even more mind boggling that even though I’m an adult I wasn’t alive when the conflict began 😂
I’m only 35 and y’all are making me feel old af lol. I was in Iraq 08-09; where were y’all and how old were you? Lol
@Just a turtle Once you get older your sense of time will be better.
@@jaimesmiller414 I was a freshman in high school in 2008-2009.
Afghan President: "I Need a Ride, not Ammunition!"
He can't even tie Zelenskys shoes
well he was an elitists, and outsider to his own people's need, not surprised he was not able to tie anything properly there.
@@TheBattleMaster100well if the Russians took territory like the Taliban did he would dip fast asf too , dudes not even in Ukraine half the time except when to act like a hero
@@kingtachalla6181since when did zelensky run away from Ukraine? Even when they were in Kyiv he stayed put
@@TheBattleMaster100 no he didn't you could see the fucking green screen behind him and whole frame looked janky asf , he's not fighting on the front lines or anything he's safe in his tours around the world crying for aide than complaining when he doesn't get it , his wife even got a boob job
I can personally say that this was one of the most chaotic moments for people in the US military. No specifics, but were in a school at the time and I had a mix of people there ranging from fresh soldiers to seasoned combat veterans and we just watched it unfold before us. Some classmates had family members and friends mobilized to go evacuate Kabul and we were getting crazy pictures from them on the line with Taliban security just across the wall as people fled to the airport. Our cadre even stopped the instruction for half a day for all of us to just talk and analyze what was happening. We all had mixed feelings of rage, sadness, closure that it was done, but most of all for us, a feeling of inevitability. Multiple men and women in that class were talking about how they had been deployed there multiple times and that nothing had changed between deployments which were 3-4 years apart from each other. They knew that the government was not strong enough and that the Taliban already ruled the country because they had a hand in everyone's lives there. Security is not successful when your enemy makes deals with checkpoint guards and soldiers and spares their lives in trade for their equipment. It was never under control, simply at a stagnation. The country was going to fall the second we left, but this was a massive opsec compromise from the projection of our military intentions, to giving the dates we would withdraw, to the sensitive items left behind. This withdrawl was unfortunately very political and non-strategic, and we failed our allies in the process just to cut rope and leave. I think the craziest part was seeing a soldier from the ANA there who was training with one of the other classes. This guy watched his country fall from the country that said they would train and equip him for the future. Never knew what happened to that guy and what decision he had to make from there.
Back in July-August 2021 I was visiting my parents who live on the east coast of Massachusetts. About 20-30 miles south there is an Air Force base, Joint Base Cape Cod. Every now and then from my parents house you see military aircraft and helicopters flying over head, to or from the base.
In late July or early august I saw a few transport planes flying relatively low overhead towards the base. Not that unusual. Then I saw a line of two or three more a few minutes later. Then more a few hours after that. In the space of a week I counted at least 20 of these planes flying overhead, and there were probably more I personally didn’t see. I didn’t realize at the time, but it’s weird to know now that they were almost certainly scrambling to get to a base on the Atlantic to get to Afghanistan as fast as possible
Thank you for not holding back just how much of a clusterfuck this was.
Virtually everything mentioned in this video is a repeat of what happened during the USA's exit in Vietnam. Back in 1975 with the fall of Saigon, we promised "NEVER AGAIN" and "NO MORE VIETNAMS" but we came full circle all these years later. The main difference is that our Afghanistan War veterans didn't have to endure being spit on and called baby killers upon their return home.
History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce
Politicians in the west keep thinking they're dealing with same -thinking people
Right I've read too many veterans say that the Afghan people were more tribal than unified in their efforts to build a democracy. A lot of people in the West can't wrap their head around the idea that not all cultures want to have democracy. For a nation to fall so quickly after having the wealthiest country in the world with the biggest military in the world shows they didn't want the US there and were going through the motions till they left. I'm just happy we were able to evacuate those that didn't want to live in a theocracy.
@Mac attack ah, but if western political leader says something while looking you in the eyes and shaking your hand, it will never be a blatant lie. When Putin said he didn't invade Crimea with "little green men", his words were taken as truth. Taliban promised to allow girls to go to school and women to have autonomy, and the UN accepted that and gave them the money and aid, yet laws are passed forbidding girls from receiving education
@@gphjr1444 there's still group rape of the daughters of interpretors when they're uncovered. Coalition governments should continue to give asylum and guarantee safe extraction to anyone who wants to leave that hellhole of a country
True. They're convinced every country wants a form of Jeffersonian Democracy.
Biden and his cabinet are clowns. There was no way they wouldn't screw this whole thing up. Can't wait for him to be gone and fogotten.
I've honestly learned TWICE as much about the botched Afghanistan withdrawal from THIS SIGNLE VIDEO than from every mainstream media network's report on it COMBINED.
Sounds about right.
It is rare that's I'd recommend this source but the March issue of The Atlantic has an article called "The Betrayal" (or in different version of it Joe Biden's Saigon) by George Packer. And it is harrowing and worth the read...it does not consider this a success even the logistical stuff...but it has been sold well.
I would love a video comparing the Soviets time in Afghanistan and the United States with each other.
Tag in every Empire since Alexander the Great, that got their noses bloddied there and we have a video.
Soviets had it way worse than we did. They were fighting a mix of guerilla warfare and full on conventional battles against them. Not to mention they were losing helicopters and aircraft constantly thanks to our stinger missiles.
From memory the Soviets unlike the Americans had to ask the US to have the Mujahideen stop attacking them as they withdrew. Americans told the Soviets they couldn't help them since they didn't control the Mujahideen. The US didn't have that problem with the Taliban. The suicide bomber (ISk I think) at Kabul was an enemy of both the Taliban and the US.
@@ericmyrs Because none were willing to wipe the slate clean...and, at the end of the day, why is it worth fighting over?
@@rc59191 The Afghans also suffered worse under the Soviets than they did under us. The Soviets killed off like 25% of Afghanistan's total population
1) US-backed South-Vietnamese regime fell 2 years after the US withdrawal.
2) Soviet-backed Afghan regime collapsed within 3 years post-Soviet withdrawal.
3) US-backed Afghan regime fled in less than 3 months after the US withdrawal in May 2021
..."history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce."
I remember my days as a 19 year old busting my butt helping to build Bagram. Many landings on the old Soviet runway that felt more like falling down a cliff.
Then, I got to watch all this unfold. Spent many hours on the phone and online with other vets who served.
Also got to see my old aircraft that I spent three years on being claimed by the Taliban live on CNN. One of the few moments in my life I actually felt defeated.
I can honestly say I'll never get over this bit of betrayal from my own government. We left a lot of people in harms way, and countless good people are suffering to this day because of this decision.
Biden committed a grievous mistake and hopefully will be remembered for it.
I don’t recall Biden freeing 5000 taliban prisoners and setting a deadline for the withdrawal. Biden’s cardinal sun on Afghanistan was following through on the idiotic plan of his predecessor.
Eh, the withdrawal was rushed but we shouldn’t have been over there anyway. Just wasted lives and money. Could have had universal health care. Instead the super rich got richer. Yay capitalism!!
It was absolutely not a mistake to withdraw. The mistake was nation building in the first place. You and your brethren in arms were abused for profit. Every death was in vain the moment it happened. I'm sure that makes you angry. I only ask that you direct your anger at the warmongers and war profiteers who sent you there.
Also wanna add that the idea of "negotiating" with a terrorist organization was the genius idea of a different president. I'm not what one would call a "savant of diplomacy" or whatever, but I think it would be safe to assume that a terrorist group isn't going to respect a treaty... sure, Biden dropped the ball, but Trump also greased that sucker up and down specifically so that Biden would fail
@@JoeBauers8 Something had to be done. Al-Qaeda attack the US and the Taliban provided shelter. Omar Muhammad was given a choice to give up Bin Laden or face an invasion. He thought the US was bluffing.
The fact that 20 years of war was thrown down the drain by poor negotiations on the US behalf is quite shocking
SIGARs work made clear it was all a waste long before 2021
@@nrsrymj SIGAR’s work made clear that it never had to be a waste. Our politicians were just too fucking stupid/stubborn/short-sighted/self-interested to acknowledge and address the problems with our operations.
Prime example, idiots like Blumenthal would rather sell the ANA Sikorsky and then *NOT* teach the ANA to maintain the helicopter on their own so that we could hire more Americans to come in and do the work instead of giving the ANA more Mi-17s that they already know how to take care of.
@@deepfreeze1001 sure sure sure, if we hadn't allowed private contractors to have a free for all just like in Iraq maybe things would've been different. But that was never the plan, it was always about funnelling wealth to the military industrial complex and other contractors. That's the nature of the industry as Eisenhower warned us long ago. It was never going to go any other way.
The reality is that the Afghans were NEVER going to defend their own country and people on the ground did or should have known that. Our only choices were to occupy the country forever or withdraw. We should have withdrawn at least 10, probably closer to 15 years sooner.
@@raitchison you speaking 100% facts , the crazy thing 9 out of 10 people don't see this...
We had the capacity to do this right. We chose to do it wrong and hopefully history will hold us accountable for this.
Us? It was the Biden administration
China joe did it wrong
Define which SPECIFIC version of "right" we had genuine capacity to execute with citations and examples, not feelings.
This is the kid in the group project who calls everyone's ideas dumb while contributing nothing
@@jerryjerryson4645 I literally planned and executed these operations for 15 years as a Marine logistician. I contributed plenty and I actually helped with the FIRST withdrawal from Afghanistan. The one that didn't end in self un alive bombings and people getting free flying lessons off the side of a C-17.
Good times. Sighs of “finally” followed by “wait, come back!”
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This was entirely expected. For more than a decade Afghanistan fighters were retreating into Pakistan when things got too hot for them. They would rest, rearm, recruit, and then return to fight again. Over and over and over again. There was never, not at any point during the war, where we were in control of the majority of the country. All we had was large population centers. The majority of the rest of the country was entirely hostile, and IMPOSSIBLE to control.
It was always known to me that the moment we left it would just fall back into the hands of the Taliban. Anyone who thought different were either lying straight to your face, or they are the most ignorant fools that ever walked this Earth.
That is not to say we couldn't take it and keep it. We certainly could have killed every last Taliban member. We certainly could shut down the Afghanistan/Pakistan border on the Afghanistan side. But this would require our entire country to militarize to do it. And for that, the war in Afghanistan would have to be an honorable war; which it wasn't. So the support necessary for a full mobilization of our entire country was impossible.
Afghanistan is actually the reason why I now say "If the cause is not honorable it is best to just not do anything at all." I adopted this thinking well more than a decade ago. Seriously, if you can't get UNANIMOUS support for a war effort, then there should be no war effort at all, not even a small one.
After 9/11 there was unanimous support for this war, it started to lag when it dragged on and on.
@@jennh2096 No there wasn't. There was unanimous support for the Iraq war; albeit only because we were all lied to, to get that support.
Afghanistan, even at that time, was mission creep. In fact, Afghanistan is where the term "mission creep" originated.
We were so done with it, when Osama bin Laden was killed anyone with any sense called it quits. And that was more than a decade ago.
Also, you clearly have no idea what is meant by "full mobilization" and "militarization of an entire country". If you had any idea what any of that meant you would not have made such a silly reply to me.
Not sure killing all the Afghans would mean honor
@@danielduncan6806But a wave of patriotism among us citizens did came after 9/11.
@@roll1swarnajeetaich9b42 True, but also irrelevant.
As an American, this is probably the most embarrassing and shameful moment since I’ve been alive.
3:30 - Chapter 1 - Plans for withdrawal
9:50 - Chapter 2 - Changing conditions, logistical crunch
14:25 - Chapter 3 - The airlift
19:35 - Chapter 4 - The analysis
- Chapter 5 -
- Chapter 6 -
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It's disturbing that whilst fleeing a warzone, so many still held onto their belief that masks would protect them further. 😢
It sounds like the whole thing was a mess... the withdrawal was just the point where the public got to see that mess...
It made me think of the British withdrawal from Dunkirk in 1940. Afghanistan is just not a place that can be tamed.
It was always going to be that way i think regardless who was president or which party was in power
@@BosnianBEAST-ky9xv Yeah I think so too... although whatever president happened to be around when it happened was destined to take the blame!
@@JackPitmanNicaYup. When Biden took over after Trump there were only about 2000 US troops left in Afghanistan, a good chunk of the bases had been mothballed and the Taliban had been told they would be leaving in a few months. His options were basically re-invade it or leave.
By that point the War in Afghanistan had been lost for years.
Video 4 of suggesting Simon to do a Syrian civil war video, or perhaps more
Would be greatly appreciated
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Great video!
21:13
Any sort of praise for this evacuation is disgusting, absolutely no reason for the evacuation to even turn out the way it did. “We did an amazing job of evacuating the Titanic!” Bruh you drove it into the iceberg to begin with.
1:40 - The video actually begins...
I still get so shocked when I think of the stupidity from top to bottom of this failure.
To be fair, the afghan government/military falsified the pay poll so that they'll still receive a wage of a solider despite no longer being active. When you are given inaccurate information, you are bound to get things wrong.
As part of the secondary team that came in to assist with the Evac let me tell you. That was the biggest shit show I’ve ever been a part of. I feel like most of our orders were just thrown at the wall to see what stuck
I passed by and came back to this video 3 times. As a OIF veteran, and having many friends who served in a OEF, this makes me sick to my stomach, it leaves a stain on our national honor, and destroyed our standing in the international hierarchy
It's exactly what we asked for though.
It's just a more recent entry in a long tradition, just like during the first Iraq War when Bush 1 called on the civilians to rise up against Saddam, only for the US to then leave them hanging so the regime could slaughter them. Same when Trump sold out the Kurds to buddy up to his dictator pals.
@@Menaceblue3 I disagree. I went over there as well. Giving little girls the ability to have an education even if only for two decades means something.
What should make you sick to your stomach is the fact you and your comrades were sent to die for the profit of the military industrial complex. Ending that travesty was a good thing.
trump already did that for u
I need Simon to make those 1hr+ brain blazes with danny
It's very hard to fight people who walk around like civilians, stay around civilians, and are willing to go on suicide missions
Truly despicable people they are
Not only that but the civilians themselves willing to roll over and lose all the freedoms America was letting them have while occupied, America did literally everything they went over there to do, we didn't lose the war in Afghanistan, the Civilian and Afghan Government rolled over as soon as America left. 🤦♂️🙄😒
Because they are civilians! If a foreign army occupies America, it’s citizens would fight back. The foreign army would fight American civilians.
@@jonhall2274 so I guess getting the heck out of dodge in a panic constitutes a strange form of victory? Stop watching Hollywood movies kid we have not won a war since ww2 and it was really the Russians who won the war in Europe
You can't kill an ideology. You may be killing a terrorist, but remember they have families. All it does is create more terrorists. We learned the lesson back in WW2 that killing civilians doesn't break them, it galvanizes them. But history likes to repeat itself.
Oh boy I’ve been waiting for this one
Wow. I was expecting this topic in today's video. But it is important to discuss it.
Thank you for talking about this. It is always good to get the high quality of information that you provide.
P.S. I was stunned to learn how many private military contractors there were in Afghanistan.
Left Iraq a disaster. Left Afghanistan a disaster. Left Vietnam a disaster. Left Somalia a disaster. The list goes on and on
Americans, even urbanites, are essentially ignorant hicks. Hicks have no ideal of reality outside their borders but our ignorant public elect them to make foreign policy. Our tech does fine in nation-state wars but as a nation we have a cultural learning disability our people deeply cherish. I was alive when Viet Nam was supposed to get that point across but the lessons of that war (not the emotional shit, the strategic lessons) were forgotten and now the lessons of A-stan will be forgotten even sooner because the American public NEVER care enough about war to study it. We'll do something like it again in thirty years.
The "strategic failure" was turning it into a conventional ground war in the first place. It should have been a very specific, well-defined mission with a clear goal, accomplished by select small teams. If they had stuck to that, it would have turned out quite differently.
Building hearts and minds or something.
@@pegcity4eva lol yeah…
I’m playing this next time they ask if they can do anything to keep me from retiring from the Army.
Thank you for your service
I work next door to one of the US bases that was responsible for intake and housing of these refugees. I saw the planes landing with them on and the busses trucking them from housing to the base every day. These people arrived in winter. We had snow on the ground. The locals threw the biggest stink about them which disgusted me to no end. Those people did not ask to be picked up and dropped into the middle of the Midwest. But here they were. Later on I was working up at the rifle range doing some painting and I could hear them. I could hear the children laughing and enjoying the spring sunshine. That made all the difference to what I would hear and see on the news and from locals. I hope every one of those families have found some sort of home here.
Do you live in Indiana?? I do, Columbus, so I'm relatively close to Camp Atterbury myself. It definitely seemed like a clusterfck at first. My mom helped with a clothing & toy drive for the adults & kids. I have buddies working at the base & from everything I've seen & heard those people are incredibly thankful for what was done for them
The history will remember that in the middle of this chaos, the US military board just announce to the soldiers that nowadays, Talibans are on the same side: in order to control the evac. In this moment, 20 years of fight were just vaporized!
You are right. Few people know it, but the Taliban were cooperating with us on crowd control around the airport during the last days of the withdrawal. They lost fifteen of theirs in the ISIS bombing that killed 13 of our troops at the airport.
The Kabul embassy evacuation truly was the Saigon of our generation, and an end to another conflict the US war machine lost to farmers with AK-47's.
Can’t help but think this intro was super long. You owe him an apology and I haven’t forgotten.
OEF veteran here. Ooooooooof this one hurts.
All I can say is that all that you, and your fellow servicemen, did, was not for nothing, even if it feels like it was. You were willing to stand up and fight for our country after we were attacked on 9/11. Afghanistan fell because they weren't willing to fight for it. That is on them. But you helped to give them 20 years of a better society, where girls felt freedom for the first time. Thank you for your service, many of us still appreciate what you were willing to do for us
When US was withdrawing from Afghanistan I thought that they want to be ready for defending Taiwan and cannot be longer involved in Afghanistan.
Thanks for putting the ad in the beginning so I can skip passed it right away
My brother and he told me this was an impossible mission and something he never expected to be apart of. You want to help everyone you can but you have to follow orders. He was there when the suicide bomb happened and was on one of the last planes out. He hasn’t been the same since he got back.
Not to sound like a bell (end) but it’s been a while since we got a warographics with battlefield tactics and the action part of warring.
At least we don't have mean tweets ..worth it , right ?
Mr. Mean Tweets was the one that negotiated with terrorists as if that was gonna solve anything.
Yeah I hope everyone is happy with the high gas too.
@@kennethblachlyjr3040 thankfully I don't drive so idk bro. Start walking. It's healthier and more cost effective plus it removes the stresses of having to manage and operate a vehicle.
@@punksoab do you like heat in your house? That's next
@@kennethblachlyjr3040 not very likely. Living in NYC makes not using electricity or gas rather easy... I cook in large batches so as to use less electricity/heat, I don't leave appliances plugged in while not in use, lights are off for the majority of the day and night, television is off for close to 20 hours a day... overall, the biggest factors of expense for me are rent and groceries. Rent has been going up exponentially since the Reagan administration and groceries fluctuate depending on the waves of environmental and geopolitical events as much as on the waves of finance and energy.
What happened in July felt like a nuclear meltdown slowly pulling control rods out until more go all at once and the Taliban saw this and then started their counteroffensive
Thanks
Great work Simon very sad people lost their lives for nothing 😢
We can’t say they lost their lives for nothing. Remember people said the same thing about the lives lost in Iraq, and now Iraq has transformed into a relatively stable country and the fastest growing economy in the region.
The situation in Afghanistan may seem bleak, but remember there are women who have lived 20 years with rights never before seen in their country. That spark of liberty and freedom won’t just disappear. It might take another couple decades to see where Afghanistan goes.
@@mattks1001 very true 👍 thanks
War is always the needless loss of life because of the incompetence and failings of nations leaders ability to avoid/ avert it.
@@mattks1001 this didn't age well
@@emperorclaudias3316 what are you talking about?
I love how the US mocks Russia and pretends that time when they were kicked out from Afghanistan by farmers and shepherds never happened...
When has the US government officially mocked Russia for that outside of the Cold War?
The USA was never “kicked out.” They left in almost the most incompetent manner it’s leaders could manage.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we f***ed up the endgame." -- Charlie Wilson
Rest in peace to those that passed away. I hope the human rights situation gets better there.
A note on the Ridge wallet that is sponsored in this video. I just bought one of these and I’m already returning it. It’s actually kinda heavy and pointy. I’m just going to keep using my cloth/pleather wallet.
yeah dont like it either, specially as you can only use 12 cards, jeez i will need 3 of those just to carry around all the time
I got one and I love it. It is super compact and my stuff feels safe. Wish I would have had a discount code. I paid full price.
@@swampfox984 for the right person I can see it. Between it’s weight and lack of places to store drivers license and insurance cards and such I just didn’t see it working out.
Wow, they went to fight against evil but ended up arming it!
yep, maybe an over the counter kinda deal or just plain incompetence from the political leadership
"Evil". To the eyes of many Afghans the U.S were the evil ones. Who is right? 🤔
LOL, that is not why we go to war.
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Who really wishes we were still fighting that pointless war?
You'd think the US would have learned from watching the Soviet Union fail in Afghanistan
Uncle Sam likes to repeat historical mistakes
The Soviet Union went out of their way to tell the US it was a bad idea and we ignored them. Once Osama had been removed we should have left, but we never should have had such a large presence in the first place.
@@robertp457 There was no Soviet Union in 2001. Russia though was actually willing to help with Afghanistan. Not with troops, but we moved troops in through former soviet republics. It was invading Iraq that Russia called insane and destabilizing and they were right about that.
As a member of gen Z I personally think the fall of Kabul is my generations Saigon moment
what are you 12?(
@@malonedickridesagain3998 that is generation Alpha....
@@theantifeministwoman7567 idk i am an 80's baby... these whining little turds today dont give me much hope for the future
@@malonedickridesagain3998I’m genz and I’m 19, we’re grown now 😂
@@gregfleury6929 sure you are snowflake...
I would recommend watching the Shawn Ryan show with guest Tyler Vargas. He explains his story on the ground at HKIA
Heading should read FAILURE and DEFEAT!
I was in Afghanistan when the u.s. left as a contractor. I agree we should’ve got wayyyy more people out and done a better job in that regard. What i have a problem with is getting the equipment out. I travelled to almost every active base in Afghanistan. It would have taken YEARS to get even the high value equipment out. Under trump the USA Germany UK Japan Australia etc were moving stuff out but even then there was still so much equipment from 20 years of war. The amount of fuel alone to get everything out would’ve been astronomical. All in all just a huge mess. I feel bad for the people but the to get all of the equipment out would’ve been another monster that even the US people wouldnt have wanted to deal with.
Blow it up then
Lol, it reminds me of that Lord of War scene where malnourished Sierra Leonians literally emptied out a cargo plane in under a day. The U.S military is a bloated military with a lot of beurocracy. Its greatest strength is its greatest weakness. War is all about economics and the U.S thinks it can just throw money around in the most inefficient way possible.
Commented faster than the Taliban can establish a government
That’s some funny shit
Legit 😂
Did you hear that the Taliban jihadists hate the monotonous 9-5 of running a government? Lmao
Got Deja vu, during this video.
The whole dammed cascade failure in the pull out from Afghanistan only has "2" words - Joe Biteazz. The amount of massive vehicles, planes, parts, trucks, humvees, hospital supplies, etc were abandoned as well as all the many people abandoned there. The only thing, if they remain, is if we get into a WW II with Russia and China - these supplies, if not totally cannibalized, sold off, or destroyed - will be a pre-positioned military force that can be used in splitting Russia and China, and running up the Central Arab Republics, or Azerbaijan/Armenian corridor up into Russia.
Same event with Vietnam when we pulled out ... loss of peeps, massive weaponry abandoned, and even vehicles pushed off ships, trying to have a clean deck on which to land further vehicles ...
You do realize we already had a WW2 right? The next one will be WW3, and what we left in Afghanistan will be of zero significance if 3 world (nuclear) powers start to go at each other.
And not one member of the upper echelons of the military lost their job, and many would be the people in charge if we go into a new war.
Problem was that the US couldn’t decide if it wanted to fully commit to the war or withdraw. So in the end nothing got done.
That’s what happens when you change administrators every 4-8 years
Accurate.
@@UnknownUser-fe5zu The problem was that resources and troops got diverted from Afghanistan to a new combat theater. That wasted time that could have been used to fully quash the insurgency that led to the renewed situation in Afghanistan which led to Afghanistan's fall
Bush wanted to dive head first in his religious war in Iraq. The US was weeks away from ending the Taliban in Afghanistan before he decided that he was bored with that war and needed his shiny new one. If he had focused on Afghanistan alone, US troops may have never needed to remain in the country.
Not to say that Bush is alone in the responsibility. Obama should have done better to rebuild the country and put pressure on the government to reform. Because of that, the country never really recovered from the Taliban regime and the government was too weak to stand up to them when they attacked.
@@resileaf9501 what about trump dump and fossilden
My airline sent a few flights to US bases in the middle east to pick up these refugees. At least one came back completely empty because they couldn’t figure who to put on the plane. The logistics of the evacuation was a complete mess.
Happy to see you being financially successful.
Honestly, how we left was embarrassing.
No shit
Biden said it wouldn’t be like another Saigon, next thing you see is a helo evacuating people from the roof of the embassy. He’s such an embarrassment
I came, I saw, I conquered.
And I, destroyed them all.
-Coalition Forces in Afghanistan-
What more can you tell me about the love letters mentioned at 5:30
How was the U.S. government surprised by the chaos of civilian evacuation? Vietnam should have been a clue. Coincidentally another war/country where previous experience (Vietnam/France and Afghanistan/Russia) by other countries was disregarded.
Quasimodo predicted all this
“To the victor, belongs the spoils”
Can you do a biographic on Bumpy Johnson?
Hi simon :)
What annoys me the most about all this is the abandonment of ALL that military hardware and equipment. WTF guys? Did they forget they're not still giving the Taliban equipment like they did in the Soviet Afghan War? You're just giving the next regime who chooses to invade Afghanistan next (my guess China or Russia) an even harder fight.
@Sparks My guess is that they partly trusted their Afghan allies to be able to use it. I'd expect some of the equipment while the rest is shipped or flown out, but not ALL of it. Like, come on! Didn't anyone see the movie 13 Hours (I know, different country, but similar scenario)? You can employ the locals of the area to act as your security and troops as much as you like, but the second the local bandits in the same region announce an attack to their friends and neighbours, ALL of your supposed allies just abandon their posts and run- just like I suspect they did here, and left all that hardware for the Taliban to grab.
@@TheWriteFiction yeah, another reason the air bases should NOT have been abandoned until everyone was evacuated. Could’ve used them to bomb and destroy equipment before leaving at the very least.
I like the fact that you are not biased and cover all kind of events.
Any time he talks about Trump he wreaks of bias. Because haha funny Trump bad
@@MMOchAForPrez how?
@@ServantofErra Did we watch the same video? He mentions Trump for seconds just to slander him.
@@MMOchAForPrez slander? I heard no lies
It's not slander if it's true
Still working to this day to try and get our interpreter from 2010-2011 out of Afghanistan.
Ghani and Zalmay wore ex Executives of Unocal btw
The US left 100s of thousands of allies behind... This is how the US will be remembered by any future potential allies in the future.
Jeremy Clarkson : If only America could win it's wars so convincingly 😅
@@trickydicky2908 We don't need to argue who is better at what 😅
That was his opinion, quite frankly I don't care
And liking your own comment isn't fooling me
Scary that this reminds me of the scene from Greenland, accept the people who didn't have the bracelets got tortured! This was an absolute mess and more troops should have been sent to ensure an orderly excit. So tragic!
Big props to terror for winning the war on terror.
Absolute balls up, couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery
Fun fact: the US didn't even tell the British forces they were leaving Bagram- you know, the guys they basically forced into the war- at least according to the BBC- how has nobody been fired?
I didn’t know that. I did see several Australian news clips, who were absolutely livid with the US prez. Can’t really blame them.
No one was fired because they’re all complicit.
The entire war is an example of politicians playing soldier while the air lift was an example of Marines, Soldiers, Sailers and Airmen doing their jobs without political interference.
For me, the most upsetting thing was the fact that the US military hadn't come up with a solid plan for exiting even after 3 Presidents had claimed they would be the one to leave. Thankfully, I never lost anybody to the war, but a lot of my fellow soldiers and friends have. All to watch our senior commanders and NCO's botch the evac we all knew was coming
I am a proud citizen of the United States of America and I was embarrassed by this debacle. The fact that we Left any Americans who were seeking to leave on the ground is unacceptable. The fact that we left Afghans who we promised to evacuate from the country on the ground, is reprehensible.
Well Usa is not the power it used to be , the level of incompetence is so mind blowing, example: we want cheap housing, yet they do everything to block builders from building and makes things so expensive and so bureaucratic.
One of the reasons to why this stupid and unnecessary war lasted so long was mostly because of the US Army's incompetence. When the Russians left Afghanistan in 1989, the withdraw was far more organised and it took three years for the then Afghan government to fall.
There is the possibility it was planned that way, on that date to not have to evacute many afghan citiziens ...
Looking back at this with a 2023 perspective, the Us should’ve seen this as a prelude for what was to come
The lesson to be learned is that not everyone deserves freedom and democracy.
In the name of democracy anf freedom the U.S killed millions of people’s and their independent. Lol
Unfortunately I'm positive many still haven't learned anything. We already knew that Western style democracy wasn't what everyone wanted and forcing it on someone is not possible as in the free part of "freedom and democracy".
You can't force civilization on barbarians.
Man, I wish this was on brain blaze
Why? BB is supposed to be a fun channel. This is not a fun subject at all.
@@DBurpees1 because it's where Simon let's his opinions loose. And BB has covered plenty of "not fun" content?
@@dominickskinner407 my favorite was the Racist Adverts 😂