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@@WillieInFinanceThat's an actual effective marketing strategy that businesses use all the time: "sell" a product for way more than you otherwise would, but put it "on sale, limited time only", and it massively increases sales numbers. Customers think they're getting an expensive, quality product, but at a very affordable price, when the sale price was what you were going to sell it at anyway. The debate rages on regarding the ethics of such a manipulation. The human brain is a very funny thing. The placebo effect is just scratching the surface of the goofiness that goes on in our heads.
@@Solon64 so true! I used to work in customer service so I could see how much each product costed at companies. It's amazing to see people pay $25 for something that costed the company $0.15. And then, I get a dollar or two more for upselling more of them to the same customer at Christmas time. Our brains are sometimes crazy. Lol.
Yeah, this bro feels like a lobbyist. It's not that he's technically wrong, because he is correct. It's the way he presents the information. It feels like he's justifying price gouging. He never explores the idea of how effective medication would be if there was no artificial "premium" on identical products. I really don't like this guys vibe. I would bet both testicles he's making money off this kind of price gouging. Though maybe not, but he certainly presents the information in a way that comes across as "see the companies weren't just screwing their customers for additional profit, they were actually just being super nice guys that care about you!".
And yet, you might feel the effect anyway. Studies have shown that this effect is so powerful, even people who are aware of it and try to ignore it are still affected.
@@garymahony701 I don't think he was, I think he was just explaining the placebo effect. The companies were screwing their customers but, like it or not, it was more effective. My question would be that does it still have any effect once you realise that companies bullshit you, or are painkillers now permanently less effective.
I’m a teacher for deaf/ hard of hearing students and the fact that’s he’s wearing a dm system for his student with hearing loss is awesome. Good dude!!
@@TheKikker89 Yes it's very good, it revolves around a deaf girl who is bullied in school. I think you'd find it quite touching especially if you work with deaf children/students. The movie is an anime so it's animated, and the original audio is in japanese although there are english dubs available if you would rather use that (I personally much prefer the original japanese audio with english subtitles)
The human mind is quite the wonder, one of the most complicated structures (if not the most complicated) to exist, its capable of tricking itself into thinking that it has a disease that it does not and then have the resulting symptoms appear. Truly something special
What I find most intriguing is how 'faith healings' operate. Essentially, people are led to believe their ailments are cured, experiencing a temporary sense of relief, only for the symptoms to resurface shortly after. One hell of a placebo effect.
It's not a wonder that our meat loaf inside our skull is not smart enough to understand it's own integral structure we on this planet are not the smartest species we don't won neither the biggest meat loafs not the biggest compared to body mass we are just arrogant assholes on a all mighty power trip and have the armory to prove that at least to or own kind and other creatures on this planet
It really isn’t. 90% of human behaviour can be easily explained. It’s the humans own hubris that likes to make psychological stuff more complex than it is. One’s own human brain is saying that the human mind is so complex. That in and of itself is the hubris.
No it's not I know homeopathy is 100 % bullshit and I' ve taken entire vials random homeopathy granules as a joke to prove that there was nothing in it, because there is nothing in it. I obviously didn't have any effect.
I don't agree, the placebo is working off believing something untrue, If I do not believe Its not going to work better. I was in multiple medical trials, I knew there was a chance I had the real or placebo. No change, no side effects, no improvement of my condition. later I found out I was given the placebo.
It's impossible to decouple people misrating their pain because they think it should be effective versus it actually being more effective in treating pain.
That's a very good point! Reminds me of a video I watched recently where they reviewed a lip-plumper and were arguing about whether they thought her lips looked bigger in the after picture because they _had_ gotten bigger or because they thought they _should_ have gotten bigger.
@johnjohnson1514 there's also the fact that it was never mentioned how many people were tested. Most of the population actually doesn't have a placebo effect. It's actually alot rarer then people think.
The power of suggestion exists, and it is the eternal fuel to the placebo effect's fire. I have literally made myself sick before thinking something was wrong with me due to random cramps or pains.
Well, that's kinda how the immune system works. Most symptoms of common ailments are actually strategies to kill bacteria. A fever makes your body too hot for bacteria for example. A cough flushes bacteria out. Tiredness is due to the immune system hogging the energy over other parts of the body. If your immune system thinks there is a disease, it responds.
Back when I had a demanding job and hardly took any days off just, powering through pain/stress… one day I decided to pretend I am sick just to return to work the next day and actually being sick by then.
Very true. I get tension headaches in my daughter gets migraines. One day she saw me taking Excedrin migraine and was convinced it wasn't going to be as effective because it wasn't for for pension headaches, it was for migraines. I showed her the label and compared that to normal Excedrin, even extra strength etc, and she was blown away by the fact that the only difference was the label
That's why I buy just nurofen or paracetamol for less than £ my body is building resistance so sometimes it's just placebo for me when in unbearable pain. And I buy mens shaving blades last longer, extra blades, and are cheaper 😅
I was about to post a similar comment. When looking for painkillers for my headaches, I compared the ingredients between Excedrin Migraine and Excedrin Extra Strength and the ingredient lists were 100% identical. The store brand also had the exact same ingredient amounts listed. I just got the cheaper store one, which worked perfectly fine/the same. Recently I saw one for Tension Headache for the first time which actually did have different ingredients... well, it had one less ingredient. It still had the caffeine and acetaminophen, but didn't have the NSAID. Given my dad had a stomach ulcer attributed to aspirin when I was a kid (which was also the only hospital emergency that occurred when I was a child), I've always been wary of NSAIDS, so I did end up switching to that one. Works the same (for me).
my sister was surprised when i pointed out to her that the ingredients in extra strength and excedrin migraine were the same. and she's a nurse who has migraines like me. what surprises me is that extra strength costed more.
@@ludmilaludmila3353Your body doesn't build a tolerance to ibuprofen (Nurofen) or paracetamol. You're thinking of opioids, you can build a tolerance to them. With NSAID's like ibuprofen, aspirin, naproxen etc you can get rebound headaches if you take them too often.
This just shows how powerful the mind is at healing itself. Perfect example talk to an addict, opiate withdrawals r horrible but before they even get the drug in their system the second they get the call from their connect saying he’s good they already start to feel better because just the thought of getting their fix has their mind already fixing their body
Wow I can’t believe you just said that but you’re right. It’s like my mother has Covid right now and I thought I had Covid and I felt like I was getting symptoms, but I didn’t have Covid so you’re absolutely right.
@@smishsmash8790 congratulations and keep it going I believe it’s one of the hardest things a person can go through and anyone that can make it out of that can accomplish anything
@@smishsmash8790congrats brother, I'm proud of you. Mind over matter. Sobriety is a beautiful gift and I never realized how incredible it was until I finally tried it for myself. Stay strong 💪
Exactly... It's mindblowing... The same goes the other way around, like even if you still have some smack with you but you begin to run out (and dunno when/if you'd get some more) then you already start to sweat and feel anxious, all the while still having some w/u, which is insane, it's literrally the worst drug ever, affects both the physical and psychological aspect and ruins everything... It's a nightmare to get/stay clean.... Fortunately there isn't too much fentanyl where I am (yet), as it seems to be even worse... 🤦
The power of the mind is incredible. I feel like that's a big part of what make psychedelics life changing for so many ppl that does with them correctly, responsibly, with the right ppl and the right setting. 💯% each variable matters and can seriously alter your experience and how much it will or won't help
I always tell the pharmacist "the cheapest *active substance* please", not the name of the drug. They are often obliged to upsell you if not told you want the cheap option.
UK pharmacist here. I ALWAYS try to save patients the added cost of paying for premium overpriced medicines by offering the generic . We aren’t incentivised by big pharma in the UK . However , many patients really do believe that paying more gets you a better medicine , and don’t listen to my advice .
@@kasiaosman4144 Australian here, just want to give a tiny bit of push back to your assertion that they automatically reach for the expensive products in all countries. I don't think I have seen a pharmacist that doesn't give alternative suggestions here. Hell I don't think I've every taken the exact prescription a doctor has given me, always been offered a cheaper alternative up front.
@@kasiaosman4144In Poland you can ask for the name of the specific brand drug and more often than not the pharmacist will tell you there's a cheaper substitute and ask if you want it instead. You can also ask for brand and then add to give you a cheaper substitute of whatever is in that drug
@@amandaevans9869 FOR REAL, I'm a pharmacist too here in Chile, I always offer the cheapest option and try to explain people the difference between generics and brands and how they are the same basically, yet they still think the expensive ones are better...
i remember watching a tv program when i was around 10 years old and they made 5 identical pizzas with the exact same everything. presentation was exactly identical. the only thing they changed was the marketing around the pizza. everyone that was sold a "mediocre" middle priced slice for a couple bucks, said they liked it but it could be better. and everyone who was sold a "luxury" higher priced pizza all said it was amazing. its all about mindset
Find the "Bullshit" episode by Penn Gillette about the fancy water served in NYC. He fills bottles from the hose, and tells people it's exotic in different ways, and they all praise the water.
@@KrsDisco91 what? If you were given 2 identical dishes with the same exact taste and look but one was a lot higher price than the other, would you automatically assume the expensive one had more effort behind it? The logical conclusion is that youre getting scammed 😂😂
A documentary on wine I watched years ago with John Cleese proved effectively that if people are at a party where they have to guess from taste alone which wines are expensive or cheap... They rank wines they like the taste of as expensive and the wines they don't like must be cheaper. The real kicker was literally nobody could tell the difference between "expensive" or "cheap" wines, because the guesses were entirely based on literal tastes, which are subjective.
Even professional sommelier's can't tell the difference between good or bad wine. I read a study where they gave sommelier's the same white wine twice, but one dyed like a red wine, and they described them differently. They've been given the same wine with a different label and given them entirely different ratings. Any high-end luxury product that is based on subjective experience is kind of a crock. Looking at you too, audiophiles.
I was a a faire once and purchased the most awful tasting wine you could imagine. Not wanting to waste my money I drank it and by the end of the bottle it tasted fine and I was toast.
That's kind of how California wine makers proved their stuff was as "good" as any Euro product: they had a blind taste test, told them it was all from France, and at the end they had all picked the California wines as the "best" ones. Most of this crap is just to get the gullible members of the middle class to spend more to pretend they're at a higher social standing than they are.
Only if you're highly susceptible to the placebo effect. If you're not very susceptible to the placebo effect it doesn't matter at all. I've been on pain pills for years, taking ones of all different sizes shapes and colors, what works better is stronger drugs at higher doses. I've also been taking sleeping pills for years, again they have been a range of sizes shapes and colors, the ones that work better are stronger and at higher doses. It's really quite a simple equation, a stronger active drug at a higher dose is more effective every time if you aren't susceptible to the placebo effect. I personally never expect drugs to work at all, so I have almost no susceptibility to the placebo effect.
The whole thing in Australia with the Nurofen debacle was that doctors were concerned that people may overdose on Nurofen because they’ll take Nurofen for period pain. They’ll have a cold. They’ll take Nurofen for having a cold and they’ll take Nurofen for a headache now all those mixed together do a lot of damage, that’s why they got in trouble
It wasn't. It was due to a court case brought by the ACCC against Reckitt Benckiser for making misleading claims, the claims being that chemically identical products targeted specific medical conditions. Here is the ACCC press release after the appeal was upheld. www.accc.gov.au/media-release/full-federal-court-orders-6-million-penalty-for-nurofen-specific-pain-products
That wasn't the whole reason, whilst doctors concerns of over use were a factor, they got into trouble for claiming that their pain relief could be targeted specifically to certain zones in the body, which is why they priced their period Nurofen higher than other Nurofen, when those claims were proven false & they were essentially lying to consumers & over charging for those lies.
I remember when I was a kid, and the bird flu pandemic was spread worldwide, one day I ate chicken, and after I finished, my family started talking about the bird flu. Some 10 minutes later, I felt panic attack, dizzy and threw up. Everyone got worried, I've been taken immediately to the hospital, and the food ended being tested in the lab. Turned out, I was completely fine, but the bird flu talk got to me so much, that it manifested physically.
Words are a mfer. Mainly on kids but on adults, over and over and over again they have effect. The Bible actually says, "the power of life and death lies in the tongue". Think about that. I've been called a "useless POS" by my son's mother years. Guess what finally happened. That's what I am and finally lost 60lbs starving to death. It's not a joke to speak evil into someone's life.
Also, the AIDS epidemic scared me to death as a kid in the 80s. I thought I stepped on a used needle in a gas station parking lot in Mesquite Texas. I thought I caught AIDS. (I was wearing shoes). Parents both in healthcare then. The news scared me to death.
That's the whole point, scare people into giving away their freedoms for safety they didn't even need. Divide and conquer, the governments propaganda machines, everyone says things are Russian disinformation yet never seem to detect the shit their own governments do, like putting GP120 in the covid Jag, (glycoproteins from HIV)
I believe you. Good example to showcase how words and thoughts are powerful. My allergies went away as soon as I moved out of my childhood home. Without my mother’s daily reminders, worries and questions about symptoms and medication I simply payed it no attention, and shortly after I was finally free from hayfever, swollen, itchy and runny eyes, astma and three medications. I just decided to not think about it, not think of myself as ”allergic”, not anticipate a reaction, not make it a big deal if I felt a little something, and that was it. It wasn’t a part of my reality any longer. The first spring came and I was fine, and the rest is history.
Whenever i simulated beeing sick to get off school or work (or now sometimes even talk about it for a minute is enough) - the next day i always got sick af for real 😅 never underestimate the power of manifestations
The best thing that ever happened to me was when I learned to read the "Active Ingredients" list. I don't even look at the front of a box anymore. Just be sure not to take the same medication but in differently marketed medicines for multiple different things (cold, headaches, aches and pains). They could all be the very same medicine and you can do serious damage to yourself.
Yes, like Mucinex is just gaufenesin which has been around forever but they marketed it as this brand new miracle drug for congestion. Theres 100s of cold medicines out there but they are all made with essentially the same ingredients..gauffenesin (thins mucus), phenylephrine (nasal decongestant), and dextromethorphane (cough suppression). Some add acetaminophen for pain. Those are all either sold separately or in some type of combination as seperate drugs. Dont get me started on "extra strength"....
Why is it that every time I hear this guy make confident assertions, I can’t help but wonder how much of it is pure, and utter bullshit that we simply accept as true because of his confidence, and because it either confirms or completely refutes our intuitions.
In Romania we have Ibuprofen as lower priced (4 lei per 10 pills) because anyone with pain related problems should afford it. People still buy Neurophen (the ingredient is still ibuprofen) at 20 lei per 10 pill because they think because it's expensive it's more effective.
In Australia, the brand name tablets are often a nicer material (smoother / better tasting tablet that's easier to swallow) even if the active ingredient is the same.
@@Dgafsranger No in this case. There the same quality and the same ingredients. But one is negotiated under a government contract and the other is retail price with marketing and other stuff attached to the price plus double or triple the profit. P.S. I didn't know that there were such things as purity when it comes to medicine, until a farma scientist told me that were different grades. He also told me that there is not difference in the Ibuprofen and Neurophen in this case.
Crazy how over the counter drugs can sometimes be so expensive and so helpful. The worst case is insulin in America. That stuff costs ridiculous amounts to buy, and virtually nothing to manufacture.
We did an experiment at school with colored snow cones when I was 5 or 6 years old. At the end I thought I had done something wrong because I was the only kid who thought they all tasted the same. Turns out I was the only one who recognized they all had coconut flavor.
Placebo is very useful in emergency nursing. It’s always good to get a good connection with the patient. I tell them what the drug is, and what it’s supposed to do, and then I would tell them that it was a drug that we didn’t give to just anyone, that it was in a higher class or category that what you would get from your GP. I would tell them what they might feel as I gave them intravenous meds. I would tell them their veins were great, and they would relax for bloodwork. It’s not lies, it’s selected points that improve confidence in the treatment.
I have a genetic mutation that affects my collagen. It makes my veins wiggle. The nurses who I warn about it can’t get a vein without butchering me. The ones I don’t mention it to have a higher chance, they still have some trouble occasionally but usually they’re fine. I guess it works both ways lol
@@GreenBeerAlibi Well, considering the kinds of drugs used in emergency medicine are intended for use in emergencies when you need results *fast* and you generally don't have to worry about side effects from long-term exposure, yes, it's very true. Thing is, a lot of these tactics just don't work on me. Like, every nurse or lab tech who's ever stuck me with a needle for any reason has always said, "there'll just be a little pinch." Always feels like they're sticking a metal rod through my arm. Sometimes it burns. Doesn't matter what the dentist says I *should* be feeling. That "slight pressure" and "just cold" *HURTS.* Sticking me with the needle feels like a burning lance straight through my head that leaves throbbing *agony* in its wake. I have *yet* to find a painkiller short of general anesthesia that actually kills pain.
It seems to me like ppl misunderstand what placebo is, though. Just because someone's mind is able to shift its pain focus, relax for a moment, etc. doesn't mean the disease or issues truly disappear. Just because someone says they experience less pain, doesn't mean their issues genuinely subside or disappear. It may simply mean they get a short-lasting sense of relief, or a shift in focus away from the pain. Pleasure signals trigger a bit like saliva producing does - you produce it before literally putting food in your mouth, just from the smell or the thought. Same for treating pain by inducing pleasure somewhere else, even if fleeting, even if you don't get the genuine thing
@@RheeasDomainThe really cool thing is that the placebo effect also exists in areas with objective measurement (as opposed to the subjectivity of self-reported pain). For example, blood sugar regulation improved in diabetics via placebo effect.
It certainly is. Most trials of antidepressants, analgesics etc show about 1/3 of the effect of the active drug also occurred in people who were taking the placebo (dummy) tablet, even though neither the researchers or trial subjects knew what they were taking. In hospital I always told a patient if I was giving them morphine. 5mg of "something for your pain" relieved their pain, but 5mg of "morphine for your pain" gave greater relief because the patient knew morphine is a powerful drug, and their expectation increased the pain relief they experienced. This is a fascinating area, but if you'd like to scare yourself, look up the evil twin. Placebo means "I will please"; Nocebo means "I will harm"
One example in the uk there is a product called Buscopan. They had 2 different versions. One was for IBS and the other for cramps. A customer wanted the one for IBS. I explained the one for cramps was EXACTLY the same. Strength and dose. She replied she had been diagnosed with IBS and the doctor told her to specifically to buy this one. I explained it again and even shown her the box for the details. But she wasn't having it and continued to buy the more expensive one. The placebo power is real
That isn't actually placebo tho... that's just plain Ego. I guess if people don't want to use their brains and think logically, someone else will use their brains against them.
This reminds me of an anti allergy pill. The brand name is Zyrtec, but it's such a common name people think it's the name of the actual medicine, when actually it's called Cetirizine. The two boxes that are called Zyrtec and Cetirizine contain the EXACT same ingredients and number of pills are actually right next to each other in the pharmacy, but Zyrtec is 3 times the price. Even the pharmacist I asked admitted the same thing.
Excedrin and Excedrin migraine are identical. It was the US FDA that told them they couldn't sell Excedrin and say it worked for migraines even though it's literally a type of headache. To avoid major fines they created Excedrin migraine so they could have one that was labeled for basic headaches and the other for migraine headaches in the FDA allowed it. So if you find one cheaper than the other just by the cheaper one because they are exactly the same thing but often the migraine one cost more
🎉🎉🎉 I was just about to say this too. The other trick is eccedrin works yes better then anything but do does its generic brand cousins and so does combining the ingredients yourself. It's only aspirin, acetaminophen, and caffeine. You can pop an aspirin, drink coffee, and take Tylenol and it's the same raw ingredients... however they do it in the best proportion for you
I noticed this only after I went to buy the generic one I always get, and it was out. 😂 Literally just turn the bottle around and read the label. It's amazing how many people don't do this.
I learned this from a book called "Quantum Healing" it was written sometimes in the 70's-80's but I'm pretty sure this kind of thing was known long before it. There's both "nacebo" and "placebo" I had an accident where I got frostbite in all ten of my toes and they were all amputated. Whilst I kept a very positive attitude the entire time, to the point the nurses and physical therapists were straight inspired by my indifference to losing all of my toes. I told them many times "I can't cry over spilt milk you know what am I supposed to do just give up on life?" Anyways my surgeon told me when she got to examine my feet two weeks after leaving the hospital, her with a huge grin on her face and pride in her eyes "This is the best work I've ever done." While I absolutely believe her because of the amount of emotion that I could feel just radiating off of her, looking back on it years later her telling me that very much so contributed to my speedy and phenomenal recovery. The book I referenced earlier talked about the importance of positivity in healing the body and mind, that if she had said instead "Oh man this doesn't look good.." would have drastically altered my healing. Anyways interesting stuff. I might have lost all ten of my toes but I just got done running a mile and half and did back and biceps today. So whether it's all bologna or not doesn't really matter because I am extremely blessed and truly did have a phenomenal recovery. But you know I'm a first responder(first aid certified) at my job and all I know is if I have to treat one of my guys at work I'm going to be positive as hell treating them.
Pamprin(acetaminophen aspirin and caffeine) Excedrin(acetaminophen aspirin and caffeine) both made by same company, both have same milligrams of each ingredient- the only difference is THE BOTTLE LABEL
No this proves that GOD exists. & the power of faith is real. If a pill isn’t meant to work but it works because someone says it’s more expensive and you buy it because you believe it’ll work, that’s the power of faith. You believed it would work because psychology you think the more expensive pill would be more effective
@@tmavibes God doesn't exist, Nor does the 300 other gods people believe exists, because "gods" are just humas trying to fathom their existence and give it meaning. Humans used to believe the sun and moon were gods, and prayed to them every day. Now we understand they are in fact...Not gods.
@@369ZIR well this is just not true, people like you are the easiest to trick in all aspects of life as your WAY to confident therefore ACTUALLY lack awareness
I live in New Zealand and we had those nurofen 'period pain' 'cold and flu pain' drugs, and i'll admit i did buy the period ones which were more expensive because when you have painful cramps and you see something saying it targets that thing you do think itll be better. I was also a teenager at this time so i didnt really know anything about it. One day i realised 'wait, the pain killers block the brains ability to sense that pain, they dont actually go stop that pain at the source' and i have stopped buying any stuff, pain medication or otherwise, that targets a 'specific' thing, and instead look at the ingredients and active chemicals.
Absolutely, they really play on the desperation to get rid of pain, especially when you’re *in* pain at the time. Good thing to know also is that ibuprofen reduces inflammation (therefore reducing pain) and paracetamol reduces perception of pain. Therefore, you can take both at once, my favourite cocktail.
Yeah I found that out with Nurofen myself. When look at the back of the box on the OG Nurofen one, it actually says helps relieve pain associated with Cold & Flu, Period Pain, Toothache etc so it’ll do the same thing as the ones that are packaged and labeled saying it’s for this one particular symptom/thing.
And this is why my mother taught me to read labels. Compare generics with brand names and to check the active ingredients in everything I use. Knowledge is power. My husband still gets duped by this type of thing. I ask him all the time….don’t you read the labels??
@@tian4538 because if the actives are the same, they have the same benefits. Nothing in a name brand is going to be “better” than a store brand. You check the ingredients and the active percentages. Compare similar products, generic to name brand and you will see they have the same % of active ingredient in all of them. That’s why we have the FDA in the USA, not that they’re good for much else. I’m sure there are organizations that do this type of thing in other countries as well. Most of the time, those brand name companies are the same ones making the generic/store brand products. And just because they make a pill blue or red and it’s different colors depending on brand or who makes it, doesn’t change the ingredients. The only thing that is going to change the “benefits” of a product might be the formula, but brand name and generic have to do the same things. In the end, they have to be equal to each other.
@@tian4538 that assumes that, on *learning* that Nurofen or Advil is nothing but ibuprofen that you can buy at a fraction of the cost, Nurofen or Advil become "less effective" for you if/when you use them. It's pretty difficult to self-assess the "effectiveness" of pain meds, since the experience is extremely subjective and affected by conditions at the time, but it doesn't seem to me that Nurofen has lost its effectiveness if I take it. Nor has Panadol lost its effectiveness due to me knowing it's paracetamol, which I can also buy more cheaply. On the other hand, generic/Brand-X ibuprofen is just as effective as costly Nurofen and generic/Brand-X paracetamol is just as effective as costly Panadol and I don't have to pay anywhere near as much. Not everyone is so brand-conscious that they have a melt-down if they can't get the exact brand they've been brainwashed into buying for years.
I'm Australian. I remember when this was in the news. I just saw it as another way to charge a pink tax. What he is saying are generalisations, though. I always use the generic or Aldi branded ibuprofen. It works fine. For period pain, i find naproxen works better.
Naproxen was my go-to at that stage of my life because it was the only thing that worked. Watch out though as it can affect your kidneys and ovaries long term. Don’t ask me how I know (although my renal failure isn’t linked directly to naproxen or ibuprofen).
@fluffytail6355 I try to use all pain relief sparingly. It's always wise to try other things first, like heat packs, magnesium topicals, exercise, or ultrasound.
My teacher was very enthusiastic to get to pub snort coke jabber on about there students, then see us fail 🇬🇧
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The speaker isn't exactly giving the full picture. Placebo only effects the portion of pain that is psychological. If you break your leg, "Nurfen for broken legs" isn't gonna do a thing. However, period pain, and cold pain in many cases is from psychological reasons.
I can tell you’re a man because period pain is in no way psychological. It’s physical. It’s a physical pain you feel in your intestinal, uterus and stomach region- due to many factors. Due to the uterine lining shedding but also build up of gas in the intestines due to hormonal changes. Also some women have painful cysts that adhere to their internal organs which make the pain worse.
True 😂 the messed up part is charging more just because the label is different but then that also achieves the desired effect.. so are they immoral or are they actually saintly? 😅
They're not providing you with a better result. Your own brain will trick you into thinking it's a better result, and they know it, and design it that way as a form of lie.
They have the same active ingredients, but some people think the name brand is more effective. I’m glad I learned about this early, because I could have thrown away so much more money than the price gouging they already do.
@@OriginalPuro 100% correct. Listen to the medical authorities when you are diagnosed with Diabetes etc. The treatment they prescribe is to manage the problem. NOTHING in the treatment they recommend will cure the type 2 Diabetes they just diagnosed you with. However, losing 20 kilos of weight, removing/reducing certain foods, drinks etc from your diet, adding certain foods, drinks etc to your diet and an exercise program can not only reduce the symptoms dramatically it can in many cases CURE the Diabetes 2 100% Everything is about managing your illness, meaning lifelong dependence on medications each of which affect everybody who takes them differently and damage other areas of our body so 5, 10+ years down the line you have another problem that they need to manage so by the time you are 80 or so you are on 5-10 different tablets, capsules, injections etc 3 times or more daily. And for this mistreatment we are charged more and more each year. I do not blame Doctors etc for this as they are doing as their medical Associations and Governments demand of them to remain accredited etc. Just remember Drs who gave their patients certain medications during Covid (that worked) were warned they would be or were restricted by their associations/government agencies from practising/administering these treatments and some were sacked and accreditation removed.
They do that in the States with diphenhydramine. It's sold OTC as an antihistamine under the name Benadryl, and as sleep aid under several other names. It is far more expensive when purchased as a sleep aid rather than as an antihistamine.
Knowing to read the back of medicine bottles and do a quick Google search on the active ingredient saves you lots of money many times. It's amazing how brand name drugs stay in business. Literally many generics even advertise on the bottle that they have the exact same active ingredients as whatever name brand and are right next to them on the shelf. Drugs are some of the most regulated products on the shelfs, so active ingredients and quantities are going to be accurate.
@@JamesThomas-kx5sjyep, a lot of antihistamines carry similar a risk. I use Zyrtec for my allergies since it’s thought to be much safer in that regard.
Same here in Europe. Babymilk powder for new born is EXACTLY the same, as the follow up milk. The packaging says different nutrients but the only thing they changed is the size of the spoon that they deliver inside the package and you paying more for exactly the same product
This is the same as some protein powder I've purchased before. I started with the 30g protein per serving container and then paid a few bucks more for the 50g protein per serving when I finished my original container. It had the same amount of powder in the container, just with a slightly bigger scoop. Felt so stupid for buying it lol
@@charlesw7397that’s your fault bro😂 you have to multiply servings per container x amount of protein in each serving. do that for like ten protein powders and then you can directly compare price just using total protein in each tub. that’s how I do it at least. but gotta also factor in quality. if you buy the cheapest one, it clumps more, tastes worse, and hurts your stomach more
Same in the UK the branded meds pay the pharmacies to put their products on show and the generics out of sight or even in the back room just find out what the medication is you need and ask for the generic one. For instance ask for imodium ( brand name)and you'll pay £5-£6 for 6 pills but ask for loperamide ( drug name) same exact drug you'll pay less than a pound for 25 pills
i used to load ducks for germany for mcdonald, we used to load died ducks for 5 days in middle of truck so they could say they died out of heat, people were so naive xd now they have tiktok which sometimes slaps them to reality
Note that there are actually medications that reduce period pain at the source and do not contain any general painkillers (they dont work on headaches). Nurofen's "for period pain" product was literally only a general painkiler though.
In Spain they sell cold medicine labeled "forte" that's just the same as the normal medicine but without the caffeine they add to avoid you feeling sleepy from it. So it makes you feel sleepy and you go "wow it's stronger" but it's the same
One of the most interesting examples of the placebo effect is placebo surgery. They literally cut open people (to “treat” chronic pain) but didn’t do any actual surgical procedure. The chronic pain disappeared, even when individuals were informed they were in the placebo group after the fact.
What I find most intriguing is how 'faith healings' operate. Essentially, people are led to believe their ailments are cured, experiencing a temporary sense of relief, only for the symptoms to resurface shortly after. One hell of a placebo effect.
That's true. I'm a Christian and Faith Healers are a disgrace. There are of course plenty of real miraculous healings, but they almost never happen at Faith Healing events, and the ones that do happen are deemed to be coincidence by everyone who doesn't believe.
It's also worth noting that this placebo effect A) doesn't work on everyone and B) Is largely very minor anyways and certainly not worth paying more money for the same product
They could also just as easily implement the the effects with specialized branding and labels that say junk like "new and improved " while keeping the prices exactly the same.
@@thebeaniechef6802It can make a sizable impact for SOME people, so lets say with the example given in the video. Even if 20% of people using the medicine recieved a huge quality of life improvement, you still would be scamming the remaining customers. If you keep the price the same for the same product, then it is at least semi ethical because you would not be fleecing anyone and a % of the people would benefit.
God, I’ll never understand how people don’t read ingredients.. ibuprofen is ibuprofen… max dose for an adult usually given at the ER is 800mg. Acetaminophen aka Tylenol max I believe is 1000? Don’t quote me on that. If you go and talk to your local pharmacist they can give you a ton of info about medicines way more than a doctor. They are very under appreciated.
You think the 3rd party crap ibuprofen made in a China warehouse is as pure and the same chemically as stuff made in elsewhere? You think that label is gospel truth? They check quality once every 5 years MAYBE at those places and often know when QC is coming…
'i don't understand why' are you just trying to show off or genuinely admitting you have no idea why the average person would pick a brand they've heard of when they will have no pharmaceutical knowledge? Yould be an idiot if so.
I saw a study once where the solubility of brand name Tylenol was compared to store brand acetaminophen that showed that while both contained equal amounts of active ingredients and neither was labelled as "fast acting", the name brand was made biologically available in half the time as the store brand. Its not always placebo even if everything looks the same.
MY MUM HAS KNOWN THIS FOR YEARS!!!! She would do this she would buy the box or what ever of name brand then when it was all gone she would buy the store brand and just replace it over and over again she did this with a lot of things to like foods and hygiene products (when applicable)
my mum knew as well. She didn’t go through all that palaver. She just bought the plain stuff and anyone who said anything she would tell them it’s the same and prove it! Sounds like our mothers were cut from the same cloth. She never bought into the pink razor BS either! 😂
I am in marketing and half of my studies where psychology. After that I decided not to go in marketing. Yes he is right in what he says. But it is abusive. I learned to fool people into buying products and not to sell acual good quality with facts behind it. I could never do this job, I feelt so disgusted and sad for wasting 4 years of my life. But I was happy to know how dark the world of brads, and companys really is. What they tell you in videos and other medias is only scrating the surface of it. It is 100 times worse then that. World is a dark place.
this is one of the biggest realities about the world that so many people STILL don't seem to grasp, no matter how many times they are told about it. i've been saying this for years... the ad industry and marketing as a whole is psychological rape.
You didn't waste 4 years, you learnt a valuable information about that industry, your morals were also tested and it seems you passed. Although those years could have been spent studying other things they are not wasted.
I was told that one person with a PHD in marketing started with a $1,000,000 salary and one with a master’s in marketing started with a $800,000 salary. Does this sound possible?
@1985230ce no. Your far off. Salary really depends where you work and what your position is. But you get paid really diffrent ... from just minimum wage to 100k a year and more. But your numbers are unrealistic. You probably get as much as a software engineer at a bigger company. The money you will earn in marketing depends extremely for who you work for and what position you are in and obviously your experience
@@hansigasus2006 That didn’t sound reasonable to me but person that told me spoke of personal knowledge (nieces)with great confidence so I was tempted to believe the story.
The only thing of substance that he said in the clip was about the company in Australia, which he said got in trouble for taking advantage of the placebo effect. So... good job, legal system? Everything before that was like attending a lecture on cooking, but 90% of it is explaining what cooking is, and it ends with him teaching you how to boil noodles. What was the point? What did anybody really learn from that? I think most people already know what the placebo effect is, and if they don't, it's not quantum physics, it shouldn't take that long to explain. So unnecessary and very shallow...
@@bkhai1041I disagree. The point he was making was about the power of Perception, and how there are thousands of small seemingly imperceptible ways that the collective subconsious of our civilized world is socially manipulated and altered. Even a vague suggestion or a phrase like "studies show" can be used to influence the untrained mind. The net result is far greater than most people care to acknowledge.
@@dyrtyharry6789 I wasn't going to mention it because the comment was already long enough, but yeah. I found it funny that he was talking about how manipulative companies can be, while being manipulative in his own lecture. Whether he meant to or not, it's easier to be told what's true than to research it yourself. With that, you can make anyone believe anything, and they'll happily spread it around. I honestly don't think it's an imperceptible thing, people just don't care to know, or at best, only the simplest details. The idea that companies will manipulate anything in pursuit of profit is not some unheard of world-changing revelation, we, humans, have been doing it for thousands of years, technology just changes how it reaches the people. So, I think that the amount of time he spends essentially explaining what the placebo effect is, takes time away from getting to the crux of the issue, it's a lecture, his time is limited. No, it's not a bad lecture, there's nothing exactly wrong with what he's talking about. I take issue with how he talks about it, even with it being a cut-up clip, I feel that most of the short is wasted. That's just a matter of opinion, since I can't try to convince you that my feeling is more correct than yours, I'll just explain why I feel the way I do.
I’m a pain specialist and this is ABSOLUTELY true. You can give someone who’s drug seeking a medication that isn’t THAT strong but just rarely used and just say ‘we only use this for certain patients, it’s pretty rare, I need to check with pharmacy that it’s even in stock’ and it works…I haven’t lied to them but it makes the painkiller more effective than it would have been if I hadn’t said those things! I had one patient say to me about a different type of painkiller: “I don’t like this one”. When I asked why, they replied “because it’s only working because it’s a placebo!!” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ I just didn’t know what to say, I was so blown away by that statement 😂
I have a question then, Tylenol does nothing for me, literally nothing. I once had a back injury and was given hydrocodone, my dad took the same thing also for a injury, but the pill did nothing. I doubled the dose to match his and it took away maybe 1% of the pain, like the tip of an iceberg. It was just pointless so I stopped taking it and just lived with the pain until the injury healed. What explains this? Are all painkillers just secretly useless is an I just somehow immune to their effects?
@@jessiejanson1528 Painkillers do indeed work. Tylenol is meant to treat minor pain such as headaches, minor aches from common colds, and for fever reduction. So of course, it won’t help very much for someone with a back injury which can be very painful. As for the hydrocodon, that is one of the weaker opioid pain medications. It’s possible the back pain you were experiencing was greater than the effectiveness of even a double dose of the hydrocodon you ingested. However, you have to be very careful when it comes to treating pain. You should always be extremely careful and honest with your physician. Also, you should have a physician that takes a holistic and big picture approach when it comes to your treatment of pain. Why? Because despite opioid painkillers being quite effective for acute pain they generally have a short half-life and the human body quickly develops a tolerance to opioids. Furthermore, the risk of addiction and misuse increases if the pain experienced by an individual is lesser than the pain reduction offered by an opioid medication. Think of it as sort of your body’s yin and yang or your brain’s homeostasis. Opioid painkillers were specifically designed to numb and dull receptors in the brain that send pain signals. If your pain is roughly equivalent to a specific opioids pain reduction threshold; then, you will simply feel normal after taking the medication. Which is what you should ideally feel when utilizing painkillers for pain because this sweet spot is where you will have the least negative side effects. If you think you may be a high risk for addiction or drug abuse you may even want to speak with your physician to lower a pain medications effective threshold so that you actually experience slightly more pain, but a tolerable amount for you. This is because the longer and more frequently you experience more pain relief from an opioid than your body needs, the more you’re actually experiencing a “high” from the medication. I quoted high, because you can technically be getting high whether you meant to, or even whether you realize that you are. The simplest way I can think to break it down is imagine a simple venn diagram composed of two circles. The left circle is pain, the middle is effective pain relief, and the right circle is addiction/euphoria. You want to make sure you’re always working and being honest with yourself/Dr so that you remain right in the middle of that Venn diagram and in the “pain relief” category. You don’t want to be too far in the pain circle because that would be miserable. However, you don’t want to be too far into the addiction/euphoria circle because, you’ll be getting high on/ addicted to the medication. Hope that makes sense. Anyways, it’s likely painkillers do work for you. You probably just haven’t taken a high enough dose or have been in too much pain to really notice. Which isn’t a bad thing really! If anything, it’s exactly where you want to be.
Doesn't work for me. I got some kind of rare painkiller from an emergancy doctor during a severe toothache. It didnt help at all and even doubled the pain, because after taking the pill I ended with the worst headache in my whole life, and my tooth kept aching. I don't know what he gave me - but don't give people random pills. Give them what is well known and tested. There is a reason why some medicine is more common than others. Side effects are no joke and you don't want to experiment on people who are already in pain.
True, i heard a story about a wine competition where one wine maker who had won many competitions wanted to prove that a wine didnt need to be expensive for it to be good (or something similar to that) so he bought the cheapest wine he could, slapped his brand on it, and gave it to the judges... He won the competition untill he was (i think) disqualified after they found out
@@nieledgetheprofessor because his wine was already famous and popular so he was showing that even his own famous wine ain't shit really it's just that people think it's something special so it wins. Then they find out they just drank $8 wine and all those snobs are exposed for being frauds
They actually did that with succes too, there are wines with a "best wine of xxx year" where people just send in the cheapest wine they could find and give it a premium feel with the design, the label of "best wine of xxx" still on there 7 years later
except than to serve it into a wider glass has a purpose. It makes the wine breaths, and therefore helps to develop better it’s aromes. In addition of that, you can make the wine move around the glass with your hand underneath it to heate it a little bit if it is too cold. So it actually physically tastes better if served in the proper glass. But yes, what you said is a true story. We have great yet affordable wines.
Not sure if painkillers are more effective if they’re red. But I do know that they work faster that way. After all, everyone knows that red makes you go fastaaah.
I'm having sociology and psycology lectures this semester in med school, and these stuff is probably some of the craziest to understand, but it does work statistically :)
Money is just a tool, real goal was power and they have achieved it to the degree they striped us all of our basic freedom but we still think we are free...
What I find interesting, is no one wants to call out the prescribers of the pharmaceuticals! They go after the money not the solution! Tell me how I’m wrong? SMH
Maybe, maybe some people are just suggestible/lack self awareness, so they will say they feel better when they don't. Like when they are healed by a prophet.
The reverse is true as well, if people think vaccines are bad for example, they give themselves side effects, typically the kind associated with anxiety. Even if they weren’t injected with a vaccine but just told they were.
No, that's not how the placebo works at all. The placebo effect cause people to temporarily feel as though a drug is more effective than it really is but that's just their subjective experience. It doesn't actually increase the efficacy of any substance and that's obvious cause if it did then there would never be any need for heavy duty pain killers for example.
I think the aggressive part of our brain is the adula amygdala. I know I likely spelt it wrong, I barely hit a C in human anatomy and it has been a few years now. Give me a small pardon please.
I've heard the same thing about art from a local painter. The price had to be at a certain range. If the price of a piece was too low, it wouldn't sell as easily.
And also that the packaging suggested the medicine was able to target specific sources of pain, and that the more expensive ones were a higher strength of medication
Not reading instructions and contents before buying a drug is fucking stupid. You blindly take wtv because of the ad, how the fuck are people so stupid
Also because it would be very easy to overdose on Nurofen by taking multiple specialised varieties at once to cure plain in multiple parts of the body.
Yeah because he conveniently left put the placebo effect on ly works on about 20 % of people and at most it's also only a 20% increase at the very top end in general its below 10% improvement.
A lot of that is feeling guilty about wasting ur money, or wasting someone's gift, so you gaslight yourself into thinking, or just lie about it working better. I do this a lot when my mum suggests crystal healing....
Because pain is always presented as red or any inflammation is highlighted in red, whereas blue is mellow and relaxing, cooling down just like blue is a lower temperature ideal for sleep. So yes people are brainwashed by marketing tricks to buy the expensive, whilst the generic is still the same and equally effective. The problem is people will down any pill for the slightest discomfort (i personally know a few like that) instead of drinking more water (one of the most common causes of a headache) put a warm patch on their abdomen for the period cramps. Wine, wether it's cheap or expensive still gives me the same headache. If you can't sleep read a book. But what do i know? Im just a highschool dropout.
Speaking of placebo, if you have the hiccups, the cure i kid you not is thinking that it cant affect you or that it doesnt exist. Im not religious, im not on meds, i barelly take meds for cold or the eventual headache. But someone told me this, i tried and the hiccups go away every time, its awesome, and very helpful because i used to get very bad hiccups that actually hurt my throat sometimes.
The preposition “for” is the marketer’s favorite word. The only two products I can think of, that we can still buy at the store and have not suffered from the “for” trick, are white vinegar and baking soda, and I don’t know how this is possible, when they are both products that can do multiple things, from cleaning to putting them on food.
Credendo vides taken too far. Perhaps they should watch "The Voyage of the Unicorn" movie 😂. The relaxation induced by buying something you think will help can sometimes be enough to give your stressed immune system a break to fight back. A shift of focus away from pain is not the same as the disease disappearing.
As always, the concept is relevant. But the reality in the case of Nurofen is different. Not everyone gets the placebo effect and therefore the sales promise is clearly misleading and obviously illegal.
And even then, a placebo relies on the consumer being lied to (implicitly or explicitly), and healthcare without informed consent is not respectable healthcare
Maybe if you watch the short right before taking it but if you watch the short and then dont see it for a few months then when you are in pain the info will never cross your mind and placebo stays intact
So you then lose the benefit of being able to get a stronger working medicine which is only as toxic as the weaker working one. Being an informed consumer actually works against you in this case.
If anyone is wondering what that thing around his neck is, it is called a Roger. It is a microphone for hearing aid users so they can better hear instructors in a classroom.
As someone who studied this at university, what he said to some extent is not scientifically accurate. Pharmaceuticals companies will have specific formulations and other ingredients in a pill other than sugar or a bulking agent which can make the medication more bio available or effective. This is of course not always the case but sometimes the name brand is more effective even if the active ingredients reads the same. That’s not to say in 99.99% of cases the generic will be good enough. Hope this helps
Studied this at university, and did you graduate? Because most psychopharmacology professors would give you a 0 on your exam if you wrote something so false.
As a 25 year drug taking veteran i can tell you without a flicker of doubt that the colour pills and powders didn't make a stroke of difference. Although the yellow Roche valium always seemed to be stronger - but that's because it was.
This is why I try to buy the most expensive medication versions, even if they have a cheaper generic version and I know they have the same active ingredient/dosage, for the beneficial placebo effect.
Placebo studies are always interesting to me because they imply that most of the time our “ailments” exist in our head or that our bodies have the ability to heal themselves through mechanisms we have yet to understand 🤔
Oh, simple. Pain response, what's being talked on here, is entirely mental, it's an understanding of signals your nerves are sending to your brain. You can be born without the ability to feel pain, and that's why. Placebo, at least as talked on in this video, is doing nothing to *heal* you beyond what your body is already doing, it's just tricking your brain into not reading those signals, which is helpful when you know the body can solve it on its own, but potentially lethal for things it can't. In short: No.
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You're just a dumbass. The placebo effect is quantifiable, measurable and can be proven with empirical evidence to exist. All Mr. Sutherland is doing is informing people that the placebo effect exists and is powerful.
the only difference i have noticed between no brand vs brand is the fillers. so sometimes that may have an affect thinking that it can be better cuz it was easier on the stomach. but yeah, all you're paying for is the markup price. the pills are made in the same factory same ingredients same workers.
Normal neurofen: "Ugh, I took the pills but I still have some pain, I need something else." Special neurofen: "I still have some discomfort, but this drug is specifically tailored to what im going through, and it made me feel better than how I was before."
Ive only had this issue with a couple medications that has no generic version cause most medications are covered by insurance the cheaper version is your only option unless you rather pay for the brand.
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Actually, the heavier bottle with wine protects it from the light getting into it, and it preserves the wine better so there is an actual reason why they put it in the heavier bottles
Placebo doesn't work on me. I was given a different brand of medication without my knowledge. Looked identical to me. Later it was determined it was ineffective, but only after I already got sick. I told the doctor something was wrong long before they worked it out.
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Where can I find a more complete video? Who is this man?
Accompanying someone’s speech with dramatic music, makes what they say more profound.
Accents help too 😅
HA! Brilliant!
He’s tight
I read this statement in my head with dramatic music playing.
It backs up what he's saying. Presentation is almost everything.
Went to a winery, the owner straight up told us that he tried selling his stuff cheaper, but then people didn't want to buy it
Similar to someone I recall who made good perfumes and sold them for cheap but noone wanted to buy them... until he skyrocketed the price. 😂
"We have a sale today" = No thanks.
(Doubles the price unexpectedly) = I NEEEEED IT!
Over ages we've been told expensive=quality
@@WillieInFinanceThat's an actual effective marketing strategy that businesses use all the time: "sell" a product for way more than you otherwise would, but put it "on sale, limited time only", and it massively increases sales numbers. Customers think they're getting an expensive, quality product, but at a very affordable price, when the sale price was what you were going to sell it at anyway.
The debate rages on regarding the ethics of such a manipulation. The human brain is a very funny thing. The placebo effect is just scratching the surface of the goofiness that goes on in our heads.
@@Solon64 so true! I used to work in customer service so I could see how much each product costed at companies. It's amazing to see people pay $25 for something that costed the company $0.15. And then, I get a dollar or two more for upselling more of them to the same customer at Christmas time.
Our brains are sometimes crazy. Lol.
I've always just used this information to compare medications and get whichever one has the most active ingredient for the cheapest price.
Just buy alot of other stuff with it an go "wow I came for pain killers and it cost me $145 these must be the best around"
Tip, Mark Cuban pharmaceutical company sell a lot of cheap medicine
Yeah, this bro feels like a lobbyist.
It's not that he's technically wrong, because he is correct. It's the way he presents the information. It feels like he's justifying price gouging. He never explores the idea of how effective medication would be if there was no artificial "premium" on identical products.
I really don't like this guys vibe. I would bet both testicles he's making money off this kind of price gouging.
Though maybe not, but he certainly presents the information in a way that comes across as "see the companies weren't just screwing their customers for additional profit, they were actually just being super nice guys that care about you!".
And yet, you might feel the effect anyway. Studies have shown that this effect is so powerful, even people who are aware of it and try to ignore it are still affected.
@@garymahony701
I don't think he was, I think he was just explaining the placebo effect. The companies were screwing their customers but, like it or not, it was more effective.
My question would be that does it still have any effect once you realise that companies bullshit you, or are painkillers now permanently less effective.
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The human mind is quite the wonder, one of the most complicated structures (if not the most complicated) to exist, its capable of tricking itself into thinking that it has a disease that it does not and then have the resulting symptoms appear. Truly something special
What I find most intriguing is how 'faith healings' operate. Essentially, people are led to believe their ailments are cured, experiencing a temporary sense of relief, only for the symptoms to resurface shortly after. One hell of a placebo effect.
Sounds like a case of "dumb"
It's not a wonder that our meat loaf inside our skull is not smart enough to understand it's own integral structure we on this planet are not the smartest species we don't won neither the biggest meat loafs not the biggest compared to body mass we are just arrogant assholes on a all mighty power trip and have the armory to prove that at least to or own kind and other creatures on this planet
There is absolutely no doubt that the human mind is by far the most complex system/structure known.
It really isn’t. 90% of human behaviour can be easily explained. It’s the humans own hubris that likes to make psychological stuff more complex than it is. One’s own human brain is saying that the human mind is so complex. That in and of itself is the hubris.
Fun fact: the placebo affect is still effective even if an individual is aware of the placebo.
No it's not
I know homeopathy is 100 % bullshit and I' ve taken entire vials random homeopathy granules as a joke to prove that there was nothing in it, because there is nothing in it.
I obviously didn't have any effect.
nah tha's just OP man...what a curious phenomena...
power of belief in the product
Adderall has a 30% placebo rate
I don't agree, the placebo is working off believing something untrue, If I do not believe Its not going to work better. I was in multiple medical trials, I knew there was a chance I had the real or placebo. No change, no side effects, no improvement of my condition. later I found out I was given the placebo.
It's impossible to decouple people misrating their pain because they think it should be effective versus it actually being more effective in treating pain.
That's a very good point! Reminds me of a video I watched recently where they reviewed a lip-plumper and were arguing about whether they thought her lips looked bigger in the after picture because they _had_ gotten bigger or because they thought they _should_ have gotten bigger.
Bro is literally trying to argue against placebo. A well documented scientific phenomenon. 😂😂
@@JesusChrist42000they raise a valid point; there is no other way to verify improvements in depression besides self report, you cannot rule that out.
@johnjohnson1514 there's also the fact that it was never mentioned how many people were tested. Most of the population actually doesn't have a placebo effect. It's actually alot rarer then people think.
@@johnjohnson1514 here is the way:the percentage of suicides among those suffering from depression in different groups.
The power of suggestion exists, and it is the eternal fuel to the placebo effect's fire.
I have literally made myself sick before thinking something was wrong with me due to random cramps or pains.
Well, that's kinda how the immune system works. Most symptoms of common ailments are actually strategies to kill bacteria. A fever makes your body too hot for bacteria for example. A cough flushes bacteria out. Tiredness is due to the immune system hogging the energy over other parts of the body. If your immune system thinks there is a disease, it responds.
Back when I had a demanding job and hardly took any days off just, powering through pain/stress… one day I decided to pretend I am sick just to return to work the next day and actually being sick by then.
Well the discomfort is the bodily response to the sickness, so you can trick your body into thinking that it is sick .
Psychology plays a huge part in everything.
I am not sure if I watched this video for the information or the music.
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My stupid monkey brain thought it was Andy serkis
Very true. I get tension headaches in my daughter gets migraines. One day she saw me taking Excedrin migraine and was convinced it wasn't going to be as effective because it wasn't for for pension headaches, it was for migraines.
I showed her the label and compared that to normal Excedrin, even extra strength etc, and she was blown away by the fact that the only difference was the label
That's why I buy just nurofen or paracetamol for less than £ my body is building resistance so sometimes it's just placebo for me when in unbearable pain. And I buy mens shaving blades last longer, extra blades, and are cheaper 😅
I was about to post a similar comment. When looking for painkillers for my headaches, I compared the ingredients between Excedrin Migraine and Excedrin Extra Strength and the ingredient lists were 100% identical. The store brand also had the exact same ingredient amounts listed. I just got the cheaper store one, which worked perfectly fine/the same. Recently I saw one for Tension Headache for the first time which actually did have different ingredients... well, it had one less ingredient. It still had the caffeine and acetaminophen, but didn't have the NSAID. Given my dad had a stomach ulcer attributed to aspirin when I was a kid (which was also the only hospital emergency that occurred when I was a child), I've always been wary of NSAIDS, so I did end up switching to that one. Works the same (for me).
@ludmilaludmila3353 not to mention the "pink tax" where they charge more specifically for women's products
my sister was surprised when i pointed out to her that the ingredients in extra strength and excedrin migraine were the same. and she's a nurse who has migraines like me. what surprises me is that extra strength costed more.
@@ludmilaludmila3353Your body doesn't build a tolerance to ibuprofen (Nurofen) or paracetamol.
You're thinking of opioids, you can build a tolerance to them.
With NSAID's like ibuprofen, aspirin, naproxen etc you can get rebound headaches if you take them too often.
This just shows how powerful the mind is at healing itself. Perfect example talk to an addict, opiate withdrawals r horrible but before they even get the drug in their system the second they get the call from their connect saying he’s good they already start to feel better because just the thought of getting their fix has their mind already fixing their body
Wow I can’t believe you just said that but you’re right. It’s like my mother has Covid right now and I thought I had Covid and I felt like I was getting symptoms, but I didn’t have Covid so you’re absolutely right.
I wish I didn't know that but you're 100% right about that. 7 years clean but damn was it hell when I was deep in it.
@@smishsmash8790 congratulations and keep it going I believe it’s one of the hardest things a person can go through and anyone that can make it out of that can accomplish anything
@@smishsmash8790congrats brother, I'm proud of you. Mind over matter. Sobriety is a beautiful gift and I never realized how incredible it was until I finally tried it for myself. Stay strong 💪
Exactly... It's mindblowing...
The same goes the other way around, like even if you still have some smack with you but you begin to run out (and dunno when/if you'd get some more) then you already start to sweat and feel anxious, all the while still having some w/u, which is insane, it's literrally the worst drug ever, affects both the physical and psychological aspect and ruins everything... It's a nightmare to get/stay clean.... Fortunately there isn't too much fentanyl where I am (yet), as it seems to be even worse... 🤦
The power of the mind is incredible. I feel like that's a big part of what make psychedelics life changing for so many ppl that does with them correctly, responsibly, with the right ppl and the right setting. 💯% each variable matters and can seriously alter your experience and how much it will or won't help
I always tell the pharmacist "the cheapest *active substance* please", not the name of the drug. They are often obliged to upsell you if not told you want the cheap option.
I do exactly the same, I ask for generic otherwise they automatically reach for expensive stuff.any country.same rule
UK pharmacist here. I ALWAYS try to save patients the added cost of paying for premium overpriced medicines by offering the generic . We aren’t incentivised by big pharma in the UK . However , many patients really do believe that paying more gets you a better medicine , and don’t listen to my advice .
@@kasiaosman4144 Australian here, just want to give a tiny bit of push back to your assertion that they automatically reach for the expensive products in all countries. I don't think I have seen a pharmacist that doesn't give alternative suggestions here. Hell I don't think I've every taken the exact prescription a doctor has given me, always been offered a cheaper alternative up front.
@@kasiaosman4144In Poland you can ask for the name of the specific brand drug and more often than not the pharmacist will tell you there's a cheaper substitute and ask if you want it instead. You can also ask for brand and then add to give you a cheaper substitute of whatever is in that drug
@@amandaevans9869 FOR REAL, I'm a pharmacist too here in Chile, I always offer the cheapest option and try to explain people the difference between generics and brands and how they are the same basically, yet they still think the expensive ones are better...
i remember watching a tv program when i was around 10 years old and they made 5 identical pizzas with the exact same everything. presentation was exactly identical. the only thing they changed was the marketing around the pizza. everyone that was sold a "mediocre" middle priced slice for a couple bucks, said they liked it but it could be better. and everyone who was sold a "luxury" higher priced pizza all said it was amazing. its all about mindset
Find the "Bullshit" episode by Penn Gillette about the fancy water served in NYC. He fills bottles from the hose, and tells people it's exotic in different ways, and they all praise the water.
I remember that one!! Lol @@darrennew8211 people were "SOO SURE" IT was gourmet or whatever lol.
I saw a similar experiment years ago about vodka. Whether people can tell the difference between expensive & cheap vodka & many couldn't.
I think the reason the "expensive" pizza got better reviews is because they think more time and effort went into it
@@KrsDisco91 what? If you were given 2 identical dishes with the same exact taste and look but one was a lot higher price than the other, would you automatically assume the expensive one had more effort behind it? The logical conclusion is that youre getting scammed 😂😂
A documentary on wine I watched years ago with John Cleese proved effectively that if people are at a party where they have to guess from taste alone which wines are expensive or cheap... They rank wines they like the taste of as expensive and the wines they don't like must be cheaper.
The real kicker was literally nobody could tell the difference between "expensive" or "cheap" wines, because the guesses were entirely based on literal tastes, which are subjective.
hilariously, i would be more likely to say a wine was expensive if i didn't like it, because why else would someone buy it?
Even professional sommelier's can't tell the difference between good or bad wine. I read a study where they gave sommelier's the same white wine twice, but one dyed like a red wine, and they described them differently. They've been given the same wine with a different label and given them entirely different ratings.
Any high-end luxury product that is based on subjective experience is kind of a crock. Looking at you too, audiophiles.
I was a a faire once and purchased the most awful tasting wine you could imagine. Not wanting to waste my money I drank it and by the end of the bottle it tasted fine and I was toast.
That's kind of how California wine makers proved their stuff was as "good" as any Euro product: they had a blind taste test, told them it was all from France, and at the end they had all picked the California wines as the "best" ones.
Most of this crap is just to get the gullible members of the middle class to spend more to pretend they're at a higher social standing than they are.
@@Just_KaoS with art there are rules that will make what you're creating more appealing to humans. There are outliers but most humans are predictable
As a recovering addict, I totally agree. Red for pain blue for sleep.
I’ve never seen a red pain pill???
The neurofen fast cap is normally red @@SheSoIndigo
Only if you're highly susceptible to the placebo effect. If you're not very susceptible to the placebo effect it doesn't matter at all. I've been on pain pills for years, taking ones of all different sizes shapes and colors, what works better is stronger drugs at higher doses. I've also been taking sleeping pills for years, again they have been a range of sizes shapes and colors, the ones that work better are stronger and at higher doses. It's really quite a simple equation, a stronger active drug at a higher dose is more effective every time if you aren't susceptible to the placebo effect. I personally never expect drugs to work at all, so I have almost no susceptibility to the placebo effect.
You've never seen advil or Tylenol or generic ibuprofen?
@@SheSoIndigo
Blue meth
The whole thing in Australia with the Nurofen debacle was that doctors were concerned that people may overdose on Nurofen because they’ll take Nurofen for period pain. They’ll have a cold. They’ll take Nurofen for having a cold and they’ll take Nurofen for a headache now all those mixed together do a lot of damage, that’s why they got in trouble
Yes probably part of the reason. But it's false advertising fraud when it's the same medicine for all symptoms. Big pharma con
Could be bad if the one for colds includes guaifenesin
It wasn't. It was due to a court case brought by the ACCC against Reckitt Benckiser for making misleading claims, the claims being that chemically identical products targeted specific medical conditions.
Here is the ACCC press release after the appeal was upheld.
www.accc.gov.au/media-release/full-federal-court-orders-6-million-penalty-for-nurofen-specific-pain-products
That wasn't the whole reason, whilst doctors concerns of over use were a factor, they got into trouble for claiming that their pain relief could be targeted specifically to certain zones in the body, which is why they priced their period Nurofen higher than other Nurofen, when those claims were proven false & they were essentially lying to consumers & over charging for those lies.
It's also a lie
I remember when I was a kid, and the bird flu pandemic was spread worldwide, one day I ate chicken, and after I finished, my family started talking about the bird flu.
Some 10 minutes later, I felt panic attack, dizzy and threw up.
Everyone got worried, I've been taken immediately to the hospital, and the food ended being tested in the lab.
Turned out, I was completely fine, but the bird flu talk got to me so much, that it manifested physically.
Words are a mfer. Mainly on kids but on adults, over and over and over again they have effect. The Bible actually says, "the power of life and death lies in the tongue". Think about that. I've been called a "useless POS" by my son's mother years. Guess what finally happened. That's what I am and finally lost 60lbs starving to death. It's not a joke to speak evil into someone's life.
Also, the AIDS epidemic scared me to death as a kid in the 80s. I thought I stepped on a used needle in a gas station parking lot in Mesquite Texas. I thought I caught AIDS. (I was wearing shoes). Parents both in healthcare then. The news scared me to death.
That's the whole point, scare people into giving away their freedoms for safety they didn't even need. Divide and conquer, the governments propaganda machines, everyone says things are Russian disinformation yet never seem to detect the shit their own governments do, like putting GP120 in the covid Jag, (glycoproteins from HIV)
I believe you. Good example to showcase how words and thoughts are powerful.
My allergies went away as soon as I moved out of my childhood home. Without my mother’s daily reminders, worries and questions about symptoms and medication I simply payed it no attention, and shortly after I was finally free from hayfever, swollen, itchy and runny eyes, astma and three medications.
I just decided to not think about it, not think of myself as ”allergic”, not anticipate a reaction, not make it a big deal if I felt a little something, and that was it. It wasn’t a part of my reality any longer. The first spring came and I was fine, and the rest is history.
Whenever i simulated beeing sick to get off school or work (or now sometimes even talk about it for a minute is enough) - the next day i always got sick af for real 😅 never underestimate the power of manifestations
The best thing that ever happened to me was when I learned to read the "Active Ingredients" list. I don't even look at the front of a box anymore. Just be sure not to take the same medication but in differently marketed medicines for multiple different things (cold, headaches, aches and pains). They could all be the very same medicine and you can do serious damage to yourself.
Yes, like Mucinex is just gaufenesin which has been around forever but they marketed it as this brand new miracle drug for congestion. Theres 100s of cold medicines out there but they are all made with essentially the same ingredients..gauffenesin (thins mucus), phenylephrine (nasal decongestant), and dextromethorphane (cough suppression). Some add acetaminophen for pain. Those are all either sold separately or in some type of combination as seperate drugs. Dont get me started on "extra strength"....
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
I just use arnica and it works.They are working the placebo effect.
That's the best thing to have ever happened to you?
@@matts1432 Sometimes it's the little things....
Why is it that every time I hear this guy make confident assertions, I can’t help but wonder how much of it is pure, and utter bullshit that we simply accept as true because of his confidence, and because it either confirms or completely refutes our intuitions.
That is the least of the nefarious actions from pHarmaceutical companies.
If it helps, and measurably so, is it nefarious?
@@xyaeiounnYes because it’s not measurable, it’s also misleading
@@Krilium I thought the whole point here was that it IS measurable.
Literally how the placebo effect works. Is it misleading and possibly scummy? Yes. But effectiveness is a measurable difference
It actually isn't , it's the number one reason they have billions of dollars which equals power.
In Romania we have Ibuprofen as lower priced (4 lei per 10 pills) because anyone with pain related problems should afford it. People still buy Neurophen (the ingredient is still ibuprofen) at 20 lei per 10 pill because they think because it's expensive it's more effective.
In Australia, the brand name tablets are often a nicer material (smoother / better tasting tablet that's easier to swallow) even if the active ingredient is the same.
They typically are more pure use a better non active ingredients making them work better over all 😂 how didn't you know this
@@Dgafsranger No in this case. There the same quality and the same ingredients. But one is negotiated under a government contract and the other is retail price with marketing and other stuff attached to the price plus double or triple the profit.
P.S. I didn't know that there were such things as purity when it comes to medicine, until a farma scientist told me that were different grades. He also told me that there is not difference in the Ibuprofen and Neurophen in this case.
@MKu64 the worst is when you buy ibuprofen that doesnt have a coating. Hate that feeling of its starting to dissolve in your mouth immediately.
Crazy how over the counter drugs can sometimes be so expensive and so helpful. The worst case is insulin in America. That stuff costs ridiculous amounts to buy, and virtually nothing to manufacture.
Hearing or reading something you agree with, makes the author more credible and likeable
Naturally. Unless you don't like yourself and think what you believe is or likely false.
That's hardly placebo is it though? It's a rational choice rather than subconscious one.
that’s just how ppl think. i don’t think that’s at all surprising or unusual
Confirmation bias
@@marti220 YES!
We did an experiment at school with colored snow cones when I was 5 or 6 years old. At the end I thought I had done something wrong because I was the only kid who thought they all tasted the same. Turns out I was the only one who recognized they all had coconut flavor.
Placebo is very useful in emergency nursing. It’s always good to get a good connection with the patient. I tell them what the drug is, and what it’s supposed to do, and then I would tell them that it was a drug that we didn’t give to just anyone, that it was in a higher class or category that what you would get from your GP. I would tell them what they might feel as I gave them intravenous meds. I would tell them their veins were great, and they would relax for bloodwork. It’s not lies, it’s selected points that improve confidence in the treatment.
Is this ethical? The part about telling them they're getting a drug their GP wouldn't give them?
@@GreenBeerAlibi i guess that's actually true and truth can't be unethical
@@martaz.9179 there’s no indication that this is true though
I have a genetic mutation that affects my collagen. It makes my veins wiggle. The nurses who I warn about it can’t get a vein without butchering me. The ones I don’t mention it to have a higher chance, they still have some trouble occasionally but usually they’re fine. I guess it works both ways lol
@@GreenBeerAlibi Well, considering the kinds of drugs used in emergency medicine are intended for use in emergencies when you need results *fast* and you generally don't have to worry about side effects from long-term exposure, yes, it's very true.
Thing is, a lot of these tactics just don't work on me. Like, every nurse or lab tech who's ever stuck me with a needle for any reason has always said, "there'll just be a little pinch." Always feels like they're sticking a metal rod through my arm. Sometimes it burns.
Doesn't matter what the dentist says I *should* be feeling. That "slight pressure" and "just cold" *HURTS.* Sticking me with the needle feels like a burning lance straight through my head that leaves throbbing *agony* in its wake.
I have *yet* to find a painkiller short of general anesthesia that actually kills pain.
The placebo effect is incredibly powerful.
true, self-deception is the most powerful thing for sure
I believe it's what we believe. OUR mind is programed daily as children
It seems to me like ppl misunderstand what placebo is, though. Just because someone's mind is able to shift its pain focus, relax for a moment, etc. doesn't mean the disease or issues truly disappear. Just because someone says they experience less pain, doesn't mean their issues genuinely subside or disappear. It may simply mean they get a short-lasting sense of relief, or a shift in focus away from the pain. Pleasure signals trigger a bit like saliva producing does - you produce it before literally putting food in your mouth, just from the smell or the thought. Same for treating pain by inducing pleasure somewhere else, even if fleeting, even if you don't get the genuine thing
@@RheeasDomainThe really cool thing is that the placebo effect also exists in areas with objective measurement (as opposed to the subjectivity of self-reported pain). For example, blood sugar regulation improved in diabetics via placebo effect.
It certainly is. Most trials of antidepressants, analgesics etc show about 1/3 of the effect of the active drug also occurred in people who were taking the placebo (dummy) tablet, even though neither the researchers or trial subjects knew what they were taking.
In hospital I always told a patient if I was giving them morphine. 5mg of "something for your pain" relieved their pain, but 5mg of "morphine for your pain" gave greater relief because the patient knew morphine is a powerful drug, and their expectation increased the pain relief they experienced.
This is a fascinating area, but if you'd like to scare yourself, look up the evil twin. Placebo means "I will please"; Nocebo means "I will harm"
One example in the uk there is a product called Buscopan. They had 2 different versions. One was for IBS and the other for cramps. A customer wanted the one for IBS. I explained the one for cramps was EXACTLY the same. Strength and dose. She replied she had been diagnosed with IBS and the doctor told her to specifically to buy this one. I explained it again and even shown her the box for the details. But she wasn't having it and continued to buy the more expensive one. The placebo power is real
That isn't actually placebo tho... that's just plain Ego. I guess if people don't want to use their brains and think logically, someone else will use their brains against them.
"IBS"... get it? Yeah, people sure do BS. A lot.
This sounds exactly like an encounter I had with my mother (paying) lol at a Llyods pharmacy
Thats not placebo. Thats someone that doesnt think for themselves. They do as theyre told
The placebo effect affects the ego. That's why it's called an "effect"... because it affects others things.
This reminds me of an anti allergy pill. The brand name is Zyrtec, but it's such a common name people think it's the name of the actual medicine, when actually it's called Cetirizine. The two boxes that are called Zyrtec and Cetirizine contain the EXACT same ingredients and number of pills are actually right next to each other in the pharmacy, but Zyrtec is 3 times the price. Even the pharmacist I asked admitted the same thing.
Excedrin and Excedrin migraine are identical. It was the US FDA that told them they couldn't sell Excedrin and say it worked for migraines even though it's literally a type of headache. To avoid major fines they created Excedrin migraine so they could have one that was labeled for basic headaches and the other for migraine headaches in the FDA allowed it. So if you find one cheaper than the other just by the cheaper one because they are exactly the same thing but often the migraine one cost more
I am fortunate that I do not get migraines. Thus I can treat most headaches with a quart of water and an hour nap.
🎉🎉🎉 I was just about to say this too. The other trick is eccedrin works yes better then anything but do does its generic brand cousins and so does combining the ingredients yourself. It's only aspirin, acetaminophen, and caffeine. You can pop an aspirin, drink coffee, and take Tylenol and it's the same raw ingredients... however they do it in the best proportion for you
@@MonkeyJedi99I tell people this all the time...a lot of headaches are caused simply from being dehydrated
@@Pooreboy1978headaches yes, but not migraines
I noticed this only after I went to buy the generic one I always get, and it was out. 😂 Literally just turn the bottle around and read the label. It's amazing how many people don't do this.
I learned this from a book called "Quantum Healing" it was written sometimes in the 70's-80's but I'm pretty sure this kind of thing was known long before it. There's both "nacebo" and "placebo"
I had an accident where I got frostbite in all ten of my toes and they were all amputated. Whilst I kept a very positive attitude the entire time, to the point the nurses and physical therapists were straight inspired by my indifference to losing all of my toes. I told them many times "I can't cry over spilt milk you know what am I supposed to do just give up on life?" Anyways my surgeon told me when she got to examine my feet two weeks after leaving the hospital, her with a huge grin on her face and pride in her eyes "This is the best work I've ever done." While I absolutely believe her because of the amount of emotion that I could feel just radiating off of her, looking back on it years later her telling me that very much so contributed to my speedy and phenomenal recovery. The book I referenced earlier talked about the importance of positivity in healing the body and mind, that if she had said instead "Oh man this doesn't look good.." would have drastically altered my healing.
Anyways interesting stuff. I might have lost all ten of my toes but I just got done running a mile and half and did back and biceps today. So whether it's all bologna or not doesn't really matter because I am extremely blessed and truly did have a phenomenal recovery. But you know I'm a first responder(first aid certified) at my job and all I know is if I have to treat one of my guys at work I'm going to be positive as hell treating them.
Pretty sure it's nocebo
@@kano25100 Lol you're right.
Chatting pure bullshit
@@blaizecunningham6423 You say this on a video that talks about the effectiveness of placebo's.
Crazy, have you seen those studies they do to plants? Positivity vs Negativity and the outcome of them growing vs dying? It's actually fascinating
I have always loved the Implications of the placebo effect.
Pamprin(acetaminophen aspirin and caffeine)
Excedrin(acetaminophen aspirin and caffeine) both made by same company, both have same milligrams of each ingredient- the only difference is THE BOTTLE LABEL
The power of suggestion is real.
So true!
No this proves that GOD exists. & the power of faith is real. If a pill isn’t meant to work but it works because someone says it’s more expensive and you buy it because you believe it’ll work, that’s the power of faith. You believed it would work because psychology you think the more expensive pill would be more effective
@@tmavibes God doesn't exist, Nor does the 300 other gods people believe exists, because "gods" are just humas trying to fathom their existence and give it meaning. Humans used to believe the sun and moon were gods, and prayed to them every day. Now we understand they are in fact...Not gods.
@@TechMaster2133 YAHAWAH & his son YAHAWASHI does exist. The fact that you are trying hard to disprove his existence, proves he exists
The placebo doesn't work for everyone, but it definitely is one of the most amazing things in psychology.
I genuinely wish it worked for me.
Yeah it doesn’t work for people that are aware. Robots and rats? It works perfectly for them.
@@369ZIR well this is just not true, people like you are the easiest to trick in all aspects of life as your WAY to confident therefore ACTUALLY lack awareness
@@jordandrukqsz4026 it probably does you just wouldn't know as thats the point of a placebo you think its working like it should
it works for the majority of the population none of you are special it will work with the lot of you
I live in New Zealand and we had those nurofen 'period pain' 'cold and flu pain' drugs, and i'll admit i did buy the period ones which were more expensive because when you have painful cramps and you see something saying it targets that thing you do think itll be better. I was also a teenager at this time so i didnt really know anything about it. One day i realised 'wait, the pain killers block the brains ability to sense that pain, they dont actually go stop that pain at the source' and i have stopped buying any stuff, pain medication or otherwise, that targets a 'specific' thing, and instead look at the ingredients and active chemicals.
Absolutely, they really play on the desperation to get rid of pain, especially when you’re *in* pain at the time. Good thing to know also is that ibuprofen reduces inflammation (therefore reducing pain) and paracetamol reduces perception of pain. Therefore, you can take both at once, my favourite cocktail.
If it's an ibuprofen that's an anti inflammatory so that's different
That's why teens should not be allowed to vote. Their amygdala hasn't matured. Now that you're older & wiser, you figured it out!!!
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Yeah I found that out with Nurofen myself. When look at the back of the box on the OG Nurofen one, it actually says helps relieve pain associated with Cold & Flu, Period Pain, Toothache etc so it’ll do the same thing as the ones that are packaged and labeled saying it’s for this one particular symptom/thing.
And this is why my mother taught me to read labels. Compare generics with brand names and to check the active ingredients in everything I use. Knowledge is power.
My husband still gets duped by this type of thing. I ask him all the time….don’t you read the labels??
How do you know that you're not making medication less beneficial for yourself?
@@tian4538 because if the actives are the same, they have the same benefits. Nothing in a name brand is going to be “better” than a store brand. You check the ingredients and the active percentages. Compare similar products, generic to name brand and you will see they have the same % of active ingredient in all of them. That’s why we have the FDA in the USA, not that they’re good for much else. I’m sure there are organizations that do this type of thing in other countries as well.
Most of the time, those brand name companies are the same ones making the generic/store brand products.
And just because they make a pill blue or red and it’s different colors depending on brand or who makes it, doesn’t change the ingredients. The only thing that is going to change the “benefits” of a product might be the formula, but brand name and generic have to do the same things. In the end, they have to be equal to each other.
knowledge is power... except in this case where the knowledge of them being exactly the same actually potentially lessens the intended effect
@@noah-tl1gvTrue.
@@tian4538 that assumes that, on *learning* that Nurofen or Advil is nothing but ibuprofen that you can buy at a fraction of the cost, Nurofen or Advil become "less effective" for you if/when you use them.
It's pretty difficult to self-assess the "effectiveness" of pain meds, since the experience is extremely subjective and affected by conditions at the time, but it doesn't seem to me that Nurofen has lost its effectiveness if I take it. Nor has Panadol lost its effectiveness due to me knowing it's paracetamol, which I can also buy more cheaply.
On the other hand, generic/Brand-X ibuprofen is just as effective as costly Nurofen and generic/Brand-X paracetamol is just as effective as costly Panadol and I don't have to pay anywhere near as much.
Not everyone is so brand-conscious that they have a melt-down if they can't get the exact brand they've been brainwashed into buying for years.
I'm Australian. I remember when this was in the news. I just saw it as another way to charge a pink tax. What he is saying are generalisations, though. I always use the generic or Aldi branded ibuprofen. It works fine. For period pain, i find naproxen works better.
Yesss naproxen is the only thing that will even TOUCH my cramps when they're super bad.
Naproxen was my go-to at that stage of my life because it was the only thing that worked. Watch out though as it can affect your kidneys and ovaries long term. Don’t ask me how I know (although my renal failure isn’t linked directly to naproxen or ibuprofen).
@fluffytail6355 I try to use all pain relief sparingly. It's always wise to try other things first, like heat packs, magnesium topicals, exercise, or ultrasound.
I swear I've learnt more on RUclips than I ever did in school! We had no teachers that were this enthusiastic!
They weren’t being paid exorbitant speaker fees
My teacher was very enthusiastic to get to pub snort coke jabber on about there students, then see us fail 🇬🇧
The speaker isn't exactly giving the full picture. Placebo only effects the portion of pain that is psychological. If you break your leg, "Nurfen for broken legs" isn't gonna do a thing. However, period pain, and cold pain in many cases is from psychological reasons.
Common sense ? If you can read n pay attention a lot of things won’t go over you’re head
I can tell you’re a man because period pain is in no way psychological. It’s physical. It’s a physical pain you feel in your intestinal, uterus and stomach region- due to many factors. Due to the uterine lining shedding but also build up of gas in the intestines due to hormonal changes. Also some women have painful cysts that adhere to their internal organs which make the pain worse.
That shows how powerful the mind is. You can control your own pain to an extent.
most companies do it ,eggs, oil so many things ,i think they call it marketing, i call it ripping people off
Its psychological manipulation and exploitation. That's all marketing is.
It a business ! Don't participate in a capitalist society and they play victim
@@HULLGRAFFITI Capitalism: Gods way of determining who is smart and who is poor.
The placebo effect is a real effect. Leveraging to improve patient outcomes is a good plan.
@@abebuckingham8198 bud youre in youtube comments, most of these people say stuff like "im rational(tm) enough that i outthink the placebo effect"
This man is dropping gold nuggets every time I hear him speak. Who is this man?
Rory Sutherland
You could have thanked the person who replied to you. Rude
Propagadist more effective when supported by big money.
Same argument used to sell sugar pills as treatment.
Propaganda more effective when delivered by pathalogical liars.
i love how in the title it says "tricking you with colors", while actually they are providing a better result
True 😂 the messed up part is charging more just because the label is different but then that also achieves the desired effect.. so are they immoral or are they actually saintly? 😅
They're not providing you with a better result. Your own brain will trick you into thinking it's a better result, and they know it, and design it that way as a form of lie.
@@Jaguar21010the label does not produce the desired effect. YOU do, in your brain. They're not just immoral, they're EVIL.
@@justaregulardude895 If it works, is it evil?
if tricking you solves your problem, is it tricking you, or just solving your problem in a creative way?
They have the same active ingredients, but some people think the name brand is more effective. I’m glad I learned about this early, because I could have thrown away so much more money than the price gouging they already do.
_And then there's me, who takes a white, unbranded Ibuprofen pill and feels perfectly fine afterward..._
100% this. Can't experience placebo if you don't believe in it and always buy off-brand products. My purse thanks me for it.
Correct. Which just proves the placebo worked. All these off the shelf brands are a scam yet millions will swear they work.
Taking pills is weak.
Pills don't fix problems, it's just a band-aid to temporarily remove the pain, the problem remains.
Fix the problem.
@@OriginalPuro spoken like a true dumbass 👍🏻
@@OriginalPuro 100% correct. Listen to the medical authorities when you are diagnosed with Diabetes etc. The treatment they prescribe is to manage the problem. NOTHING in the treatment they recommend will cure the type 2 Diabetes they just diagnosed you with. However, losing 20 kilos of weight, removing/reducing certain foods, drinks etc from your diet, adding certain foods, drinks etc to your diet and an exercise program can not only reduce the symptoms dramatically it can in many cases CURE the Diabetes 2 100%
Everything is about managing your illness, meaning lifelong dependence on medications each of which affect everybody who takes them differently and damage other areas of our body so 5, 10+ years down the line you have another problem that they need to manage so by the time you are 80 or so you are on 5-10 different tablets, capsules, injections etc 3 times or more daily. And for this mistreatment we are charged more and more each year.
I do not blame Doctors etc for this as they are doing as their medical Associations and Governments demand of them to remain accredited etc. Just remember Drs who gave their patients certain medications during Covid (that worked) were warned they would be or were restricted by their associations/government agencies from practising/administering these treatments and some were sacked and accreditation removed.
They do that in the States with diphenhydramine. It's sold OTC as an antihistamine under the name Benadryl, and as sleep aid under several other names.
It is far more expensive when purchased as a sleep aid rather than as an antihistamine.
Knowing to read the back of medicine bottles and do a quick Google search on the active ingredient saves you lots of money many times. It's amazing how brand name drugs stay in business. Literally many generics even advertise on the bottle that they have the exact same active ingredients as whatever name brand and are right next to them on the shelf. Drugs are some of the most regulated products on the shelfs, so active ingredients and quantities are going to be accurate.
It's also unsafe for use as a sleep aid and can lead to early dementia/alzheimer's if used regularly
@@JamesThomas-kx5sj
That is good to know. Thanks
@@JamesThomas-kx5sjyep, a lot of antihistamines carry similar a risk. I use Zyrtec for my allergies since it’s thought to be much safer in that regard.
Stick to second generation anti histamines, they are superior
Same here in Europe.
Babymilk powder for new born is EXACTLY the same, as the follow up milk. The packaging says different nutrients but the only thing they changed is the size of the spoon that they deliver inside the package and you paying more for exactly the same product
SMA has more iron in the toddler milk, they are not all identical
This is the same as some protein powder I've purchased before. I started with the 30g protein per serving container and then paid a few bucks more for the 50g protein per serving when I finished my original container. It had the same amount of powder in the container, just with a slightly bigger scoop. Felt so stupid for buying it lol
@@charlesw7397that’s your fault bro😂 you have to multiply servings per container x amount of protein in each serving. do that for like ten protein powders and then you can directly compare price just using total protein in each tub. that’s how I do it at least. but gotta also factor in quality. if you buy the cheapest one, it clumps more, tastes worse, and hurts your stomach more
Same in the UK the branded meds pay the pharmacies to put their products on show and the generics out of sight or even in the back room just find out what the medication is you need and ask for the generic one. For instance ask for imodium ( brand name)and you'll pay £5-£6 for 6 pills but ask for loperamide ( drug name) same exact drug you'll pay less than a pound for 25 pills
i used to load ducks for germany for mcdonald, we used to load died ducks for 5 days in middle of truck so they could say they died out of heat, people were so naive xd now they have tiktok which sometimes slaps them to reality
Note that there are actually medications that reduce period pain at the source and do not contain any general painkillers (they dont work on headaches). Nurofen's "for period pain" product was literally only a general painkiler though.
It wasn't evil to add a placebo effect, it was evil to charge more for it.
Thats part of the placebo effect he literally details this. It's a short clip dude just listen to it next time.
I wanna know how and why to All
the product becomes more niche
@@gofukurself4lifeOk sir anything else?
Its not evil. A) its capitalism and B) it works.
In Spain they sell cold medicine labeled "forte" that's just the same as the normal medicine but without the caffeine they add to avoid you feeling sleepy from it. So it makes you feel sleepy and you go "wow it's stronger" but it's the same
wine tastes better if you're an alcoholic 😅
Cheap wine tastes great if you're an alcoholic.
One of the most interesting examples of the placebo effect is placebo surgery. They literally cut open people (to “treat” chronic pain) but didn’t do any actual surgical procedure.
The chronic pain disappeared, even when individuals were informed they were in the placebo group after the fact.
What I find most intriguing is how 'faith healings' operate. Essentially, people are led to believe their ailments are cured, experiencing a temporary sense of relief, only for the symptoms to resurface shortly after. One hell of a placebo effect.
That's true. I'm a Christian and Faith Healers are a disgrace. There are of course plenty of real miraculous healings, but they almost never happen at Faith Healing events, and the ones that do happen are deemed to be coincidence by everyone who doesn't believe.
That has not been my experience
@@Universal_Knowledge369 What have you experienced?
In some instances they are real
Mine either. @@Universal_Knowledge369
It's also worth noting that this placebo effect A) doesn't work on everyone and B) Is largely very minor anyways and certainly not worth paying more money for the same product
They could also just as easily implement the the effects with specialized branding and labels that say junk like "new and improved " while keeping the prices exactly the same.
Widly disagree. Ive read about the placebo effect making huge impacts
@@thebeaniechef6802 the human mind/body can do things the "smart people" do not know or understand.
@@thebeaniechef6802It can make a sizable impact for SOME people, so lets say with the example given in the video. Even if 20% of people using the medicine recieved a huge quality of life improvement, you still would be scamming the remaining customers. If you keep the price the same for the same product, then it is at least semi ethical because you would not be fleecing anyone and a % of the people would benefit.
@@thebeaniechef6802 WHERE DID YOU READ ABOUT IT?
God, I’ll never understand how people don’t read ingredients.. ibuprofen is ibuprofen… max dose for an adult usually given at the ER is 800mg. Acetaminophen aka Tylenol max I believe is 1000? Don’t quote me on that. If you go and talk to your local pharmacist they can give you a ton of info about medicines way more than a doctor. They are very under appreciated.
You think the 3rd party crap ibuprofen made in a China warehouse is as pure and the same chemically as stuff made in elsewhere? You think that label is gospel truth? They check quality once every 5 years MAYBE at those places and often know when QC is coming…
A healthy adult can take up to 2400mg of Ibuprofen per day but that’s the limit.
In Italy we sell ibuprofen 500mg for kids 1000mg for adults but they tell you not to take too much
Max daily dose of acetaminophen is 3000mg, can be 4000mg but only under physician guidance.
Pharmacy student
'i don't understand why' are you just trying to show off or genuinely admitting you have no idea why the average person would pick a brand they've heard of when they will have no pharmaceutical knowledge? Yould be an idiot if so.
I saw a study once where the solubility of brand name Tylenol was compared to store brand acetaminophen that showed that while both contained equal amounts of active ingredients and neither was labelled as "fast acting", the name brand was made biologically available in half the time as the store brand. Its not always placebo even if everything looks the same.
MY MUM HAS KNOWN THIS FOR YEARS!!!!
She would do this she would buy the box or what ever of name brand then when it was all gone she would buy the store brand and just replace it over and over again she did this with a lot of things to like foods and hygiene products (when applicable)
my mum knew as well. She didn’t go through all that palaver. She just bought the plain stuff and anyone who said anything she would tell them it’s the same and prove it! Sounds like our mothers were cut from the same cloth. She never bought into the pink razor BS either! 😂
I am in marketing and half of my studies where psychology. After that I decided not to go in marketing. Yes he is right in what he says. But it is abusive. I learned to fool people into buying products and not to sell acual good quality with facts behind it.
I could never do this job, I feelt so disgusted and sad for wasting 4 years of my life. But I was happy to know how dark the world of brads, and companys really is. What they tell you in videos and other medias is only scrating the surface of it. It is 100 times worse then that.
World is a dark place.
this is one of the biggest realities about the world that so many people STILL don't seem to grasp, no matter how many times they are told about it. i've been saying this for years... the ad industry and marketing as a whole is psychological rape.
You didn't waste 4 years, you learnt a valuable information about that industry, your morals were also tested and it seems you passed. Although those years could have been spent studying other things they are not wasted.
I was told that one person with a PHD in marketing started with a $1,000,000 salary and one with a master’s in marketing started with a $800,000 salary. Does this sound possible?
@1985230ce no. Your far off. Salary really depends where you work and what your position is. But you get paid really diffrent ... from just minimum wage to 100k a year and more. But your numbers are unrealistic. You probably get as much as a software engineer at a bigger company.
The money you will earn in marketing depends extremely for who you work for and what position you are in and obviously your experience
@@hansigasus2006
That didn’t sound reasonable to me but person that told me spoke of personal knowledge (nieces)with great confidence so I was tempted to believe the story.
As a former studyist i can confirm that studys show when studying studys many were found to be much more studied than if they hadnt studied.
lol thats how i feel about this lecture as well.
The only thing of substance that he said in the clip was about the company in Australia, which he said got in trouble for taking advantage of the placebo effect. So... good job, legal system?
Everything before that was like attending a lecture on cooking, but 90% of it is explaining what cooking is, and it ends with him teaching you how to boil noodles. What was the point? What did anybody really learn from that?
I think most people already know what the placebo effect is, and if they don't, it's not quantum physics, it shouldn't take that long to explain. So unnecessary and very shallow...
@@bkhai1041I disagree. The point he was making was about the power of Perception, and how there are thousands of small seemingly imperceptible ways that the collective subconsious of our civilized world is socially manipulated and altered. Even a vague suggestion or a phrase like "studies show" can be used to influence the untrained mind. The net result is far greater than most people care to acknowledge.
@@dyrtyharry6789 I wasn't going to mention it because the comment was already long enough, but yeah. I found it funny that he was talking about how manipulative companies can be, while being manipulative in his own lecture. Whether he meant to or not, it's easier to be told what's true than to research it yourself. With that, you can make anyone believe anything, and they'll happily spread it around.
I honestly don't think it's an imperceptible thing, people just don't care to know, or at best, only the simplest details. The idea that companies will manipulate anything in pursuit of profit is not some unheard of world-changing revelation, we, humans, have been doing it for thousands of years, technology just changes how it reaches the people. So, I think that the amount of time he spends essentially explaining what the placebo effect is, takes time away from getting to the crux of the issue, it's a lecture, his time is limited.
No, it's not a bad lecture, there's nothing exactly wrong with what he's talking about. I take issue with how he talks about it, even with it being a cut-up clip, I feel that most of the short is wasted. That's just a matter of opinion, since I can't try to convince you that my feeling is more correct than yours, I'll just explain why I feel the way I do.
ahahah
The power of suggestion.
I’m a pain specialist and this is ABSOLUTELY true. You can give someone who’s drug seeking a medication that isn’t THAT strong but just rarely used and just say ‘we only use this for certain patients, it’s pretty rare, I need to check with pharmacy that it’s even in stock’ and it works…I haven’t lied to them but it makes the painkiller more effective than it would have been if I hadn’t said those things!
I had one patient say to me about a different type of painkiller: “I don’t like this one”. When I asked why, they replied “because it’s only working because it’s a placebo!!” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ I just didn’t know what to say, I was so blown away by that statement 😂
But was the patient correct? The one who made the comment?
I have a question then, Tylenol does nothing for me, literally nothing.
I once had a back injury and was given hydrocodone, my dad took the same thing also for a injury, but the pill did nothing. I doubled the dose to match his and it took away maybe 1% of the pain, like the tip of an iceberg. It was just pointless so I stopped taking it and just lived with the pain until the injury healed.
What explains this? Are all painkillers just secretly useless is an I just somehow immune to their effects?
@@AT-fx1ogIf you know something is only a plecebo, it won’t work. Also, there are plenty of reasons a drug may not work for someone.
@@jessiejanson1528 Painkillers do indeed work. Tylenol is meant to treat minor pain such as headaches, minor aches from common colds, and for fever reduction. So of course, it won’t help very much for someone with a back injury which can be very painful. As for the hydrocodon, that is one of the weaker opioid pain medications. It’s possible the back pain you were experiencing was greater than the effectiveness of even a double dose of the hydrocodon you ingested.
However, you have to be very careful when it comes to treating pain. You should always be extremely careful and honest with your physician. Also, you should have a physician that takes a holistic and big picture approach when it comes to your treatment of pain. Why? Because despite opioid painkillers being quite effective for acute pain they generally have a short half-life and the human body quickly develops a tolerance to opioids. Furthermore, the risk of addiction and misuse increases if the pain experienced by an individual is lesser than the pain reduction offered by an opioid medication.
Think of it as sort of your body’s yin and yang or your brain’s homeostasis. Opioid painkillers were specifically designed to numb and dull receptors in the brain that send pain signals. If your pain is roughly equivalent to a specific opioids pain reduction threshold; then, you will simply feel normal after taking the medication. Which is what you should ideally feel when utilizing painkillers for pain because this sweet spot is where you will have the least negative side effects. If you think you may be a high risk for addiction or drug abuse you may even want to speak with your physician to lower a pain medications effective threshold so that you actually experience slightly more pain, but a tolerable amount for you.
This is because the longer and more frequently you experience more pain relief from an opioid than your body needs, the more you’re actually experiencing a “high” from the medication. I quoted high, because you can technically be getting high whether you meant to, or even whether you realize that you are.
The simplest way I can think to break it down is imagine a simple venn diagram composed of two circles. The left circle is pain, the middle is effective pain relief, and the right circle is addiction/euphoria. You want to make sure you’re always working and being honest with yourself/Dr so that you remain right in the middle of that Venn diagram and in the “pain relief” category. You don’t want to be too far in the pain circle because that would be miserable. However, you don’t want to be too far into the addiction/euphoria circle because, you’ll be getting high on/ addicted to the medication. Hope that makes sense.
Anyways, it’s likely painkillers do work for you. You probably just haven’t taken a high enough dose or have been in too much pain to really notice. Which isn’t a bad thing really! If anything, it’s exactly where you want to be.
Doesn't work for me. I got some kind of rare painkiller from an emergancy doctor during a severe toothache. It didnt help at all and even doubled the pain, because after taking the pill I ended with the worst headache in my whole life, and my tooth kept aching. I don't know what he gave me - but don't give people random pills. Give them what is well known and tested. There is a reason why some medicine is more common than others. Side effects are no joke and you don't want to experiment on people who are already in pain.
True, i heard a story about a wine competition where one wine maker who had won many competitions wanted to prove that a wine didnt need to be expensive for it to be good (or something similar to that) so he bought the cheapest wine he could, slapped his brand on it, and gave it to the judges... He won the competition untill he was (i think) disqualified after they found out
That makes no sense. Why tf he aint use his own fuckin wine?
@@nieledgetheprofessorcause that defeats the purpose of
@@nieledgetheprofessor because his wine was already famous and popular so he was showing that even his own famous wine ain't shit really it's just that people think it's something special so it wins. Then they find out they just drank $8 wine and all those snobs are exposed for being frauds
They actually did that with succes too, there are wines with a "best wine of xxx year" where people just send in the cheapest wine they could find and give it a premium feel with the design, the label of "best wine of xxx" still on there 7 years later
except than to serve it into a wider glass has a purpose. It makes the wine breaths, and therefore helps to develop better it’s aromes. In addition of that, you can make the wine move around the glass with your hand underneath it to heate it a little bit if it is too cold. So it actually physically tastes better if served in the proper glass.
But yes, what you said is a true story. We have great yet affordable wines.
Not sure if painkillers are more effective if they’re red. But I do know that they work faster that way. After all, everyone knows that red makes you go fastaaah.
Oh yeah, ferrari red pills!
I'm having sociology and psycology lectures this semester in med school, and these stuff is probably some of the craziest to understand, but it does work statistically :)
I’m sure everyone now knows that pharmaceutical companies have always been money-making machines.
Ibuprofen here in the uk is 40 pence
@@Casshern2010unless it’s branded….. then is £2.50…. That’s the point
@@Casshern2010 thats not all they make smart arse
Money is just a tool, real goal was power and they have achieved it to the degree they striped us all of our basic freedom but we still think we are free...
What I find interesting, is no one wants to call out the prescribers of the pharmaceuticals!
They go after the money not the solution! Tell me how I’m wrong?
SMH
Absolutely wild. A good mindset can quite literally increase the capability of a painkiller. Optimism is powerful.
Maybe, maybe some people are just suggestible/lack self awareness, so they will say they feel better when they don't. Like when they are healed by a prophet.
@@ruhap9311 or witch doctor
@@co11in__18 so is pessimism
The reverse is true as well, if people think vaccines are bad for example, they give themselves side effects, typically the kind associated with anxiety. Even if they weren’t injected with a vaccine but just told they were.
No, that's not how the placebo works at all. The placebo effect cause people to temporarily feel as though a drug is more effective than it really is but that's just their subjective experience. It doesn't actually increase the efficacy of any substance and that's obvious cause if it did then there would never be any need for heavy duty pain killers for example.
Fun fact: Red activates a part of your brain related to agressiveness, Blue activates the frontal lobe more, making you think harder and clearer
I think the aggressive part of our brain is the adula amygdala.
I know I likely spelt it wrong, I barely hit a C in human anatomy and it has been a few years now. Give me a small pardon please.
So viagra is blue because it makes you think harder?
I've heard the same thing about art from a local painter. The price had to be at a certain range. If the price of a piece was too low, it wouldn't sell as easily.
I gave my landlord this information but still have to pay rent
The reason Nurofen got into trouble was because people realised the products were not more effective after buying and using them.
And also that the packaging suggested the medicine was able to target specific sources of pain, and that the more expensive ones were a higher strength of medication
Not reading instructions and contents before buying a drug is fucking stupid. You blindly take wtv because of the ad, how the fuck are people so stupid
Also because it would be very easy to overdose on Nurofen by taking multiple specialised varieties at once to cure plain in multiple parts of the body.
Yeah because he conveniently left put the placebo effect on ly works on about 20 % of people and at most it's also only a 20% increase at the very top end in general its below 10% improvement.
A lot of that is feeling guilty about wasting ur money, or wasting someone's gift, so you gaslight yourself into thinking, or just lie about it working better. I do this a lot when my mum suggests crystal healing....
Because pain is always presented as red or any inflammation is highlighted in red, whereas blue is mellow and relaxing, cooling down just like blue is a lower temperature ideal for sleep. So yes people are brainwashed by marketing tricks to buy the expensive, whilst the generic is still the same and equally effective. The problem is people will down any pill for the slightest discomfort (i personally know a few like that) instead of drinking more water (one of the most common causes of a headache) put a warm patch on their abdomen for the period cramps. Wine, wether it's cheap or expensive still gives me the same headache. If you can't sleep read a book. But what do i know? Im just a highschool dropout.
Yeah, I always imagine pen as a red balloon floating up and leaving me when I was trying to cope with acute pain.
Color theory is extremely important. Especially in the environment around you
Speaking of placebo, if you have the hiccups, the cure i kid you not is thinking that it cant affect you or that it doesnt exist. Im not religious, im not on meds, i barelly take meds for cold or the eventual headache. But someone told me this, i tried and the hiccups go away every time, its awesome, and very helpful because i used to get very bad hiccups that actually hurt my throat sometimes.
The preposition “for” is the marketer’s favorite word. The only two products I can think of, that we can still buy at the store and have not suffered from the “for” trick, are white vinegar and baking soda, and I don’t know how this is possible, when they are both products that can do multiple things, from cleaning to putting them on food.
I have seen white vinegar "for cleaning", and I will readily admit to buying it because I had something to clean
Give it time...
@@deathreusdope pfp. And also I am guilty of using cleaning vinegar in my salad 😂
Wait till you find out about White vinegar for cleaning, and baking soda for cleaner teeth
@@deathreus have you ever bought baking soda “for cleaning” and used on a cake?
"As you believe, so shall you receive"
Lie to a suffering person. Then blame them for suffering. Same old mis-applied scripture.
Credendo vides taken too far. Perhaps they should watch "The Voyage of the Unicorn" movie 😂. The relaxation induced by buying something you think will help can sometimes be enough to give your stressed immune system a break to fight back. A shift of focus away from pain is not the same as the disease disappearing.
Thankyou for pointing out Australia takes pharmaceutical law seriously. The world should take note.
That was not the lesson 😂
The u.s actually does a good job with medication. Food on the other hand...😂
America does the same thing with Benadryl. You can buy Benadryl, which is Diphahydramine, for allergies, or as a night time sleep aid, but same thing.
I cant tell a difference between name brand and off-brand meds. I always buy generic unless theyre out of stock because they work identically.
I think its the same.
As always, the concept is relevant. But the reality in the case of Nurofen is different. Not everyone gets the placebo effect and therefore the sales promise is clearly misleading and obviously illegal.
And even then, a placebo relies on the consumer being lied to (implicitly or explicitly), and healthcare without informed consent is not respectable healthcare
Ya that works until it doesn’t and you’ve become an informed consumer.
Iirc placebo effects still work when you know it
Maybe if you watch the short right before taking it but if you watch the short and then dont see it for a few months then when you are in pain the info will never cross your mind and placebo stays intact
So you then lose the benefit of being able to get a stronger working medicine which is only as toxic as the weaker working one. Being an informed consumer actually works against you in this case.
Yet not enough for it to make a dent in their profits
The funny thing about the placebo effect is that it still works if you know you are taking a placebo
If anyone is wondering what that thing around his neck is, it is called a Roger. It is a microphone for hearing aid users so they can better hear instructors in a classroom.
As someone who studied this at university, what he said to some extent is not scientifically accurate. Pharmaceuticals companies will have specific formulations and other ingredients in a pill other than sugar or a bulking agent which can make the medication more bio available or effective. This is of course not always the case but sometimes the name brand is more effective even if the active ingredients reads the same. That’s not to say in 99.99% of cases the generic will be good enough. Hope this helps
Studied this at university, and did you graduate? Because most psychopharmacology professors would give you a 0 on your exam if you wrote something so false.
The Nurofen cold and flu definitely work better
THERES A THING CALLED A PL CODE, FUCK HALEON
@@felixjouanneau7853
This person did not write anything false.
Wow you're a fool.
I seriously don't think you understood what was stated.
Okay so trust a random commenter or the lecturer in the video?
RORY SUTHERLAND
Thank you. I was wondering who this was since the uploader couldn't be bothered
GOD BLESS YOU
Thank you was looking for his name
@@stultusesIt's in the description dude😂
@@keromagdy4469 TIL shorts have a hidden description slide. Thanks.
As a 25 year drug taking veteran i can tell you without a flicker of doubt that the colour pills and powders didn't make a stroke of difference.
Although the yellow Roche valium always seemed to be stronger - but that's because it was.
And the yellow Watson Norcos? Way stronger, in my opinion. It's diff for everyone I think.
@penelopeowston9699 and white m365 narcos dont work for shit
This is why I try to buy the most expensive medication versions, even if they have a cheaper generic version and I know they have the same active ingredient/dosage, for the beneficial placebo effect.
Big pharma is just looking out for us 😅
😂😂
Placebo studies are always interesting to me because they imply that most of the time our “ailments” exist in our head or that our bodies have the ability to heal themselves through mechanisms we have yet to understand 🤔
Belief is really powerful!
It's less that they dont exist and more that our brains are so powerful
Oh, simple. Pain response, what's being talked on here, is entirely mental, it's an understanding of signals your nerves are sending to your brain. You can be born without the ability to feel pain, and that's why. Placebo, at least as talked on in this video, is doing nothing to *heal* you beyond what your body is already doing, it's just tricking your brain into not reading those signals, which is helpful when you know the body can solve it on its own, but potentially lethal for things it can't.
In short: No.
Studies have been done to test whether cancer is something caused by negative energy or not, and nothings been proven. But things are looking super interesting. And there’s a chance that energy has more power over our world than we could possibly imagine.
ok now do this for cancer. and go!
Feeling less pain as a consequence of being tricked? That's a win for me
I'll take it!
The power of suggestion works.
The placebo effect here is convincing yourself to be convinced by this mans words 😹
You're just a dumbass. The placebo effect is quantifiable, measurable and can be proven with empirical evidence to exist. All Mr. Sutherland is doing is informing people that the placebo effect exists and is powerful.
What's his name?
Elvis Presley
Dumber
Andy Serkis
Rory Sutherland
Rory Sutherland
Shows us how powerful we really are
the only difference i have noticed between no brand vs brand is the fillers. so sometimes that may have an affect thinking that it can be better cuz it was easier on the stomach. but yeah, all you're paying for is the markup price. the pills are made in the same factory same ingredients same workers.
Normal neurofen: "Ugh, I took the pills but I still have some pain, I need something else."
Special neurofen: "I still have some discomfort, but this drug is specifically tailored to what im going through, and it made me feel better than how I was before."
So thats why Viagra is blue😊
pink or red pill to get a erection?? sell that to the black man blue pill now seems more appealing, doesn't it
But its not a sleeping pill.. What's ur point??
I assume it is a joke about guys falling asleep straight after fun-time.
Americans have the best healthcare due to the crippling costs
That is a good way to look at it.
Ive only had this issue with a couple medications that has no generic version cause most medications are covered by insurance the cheaper version is your only option unless you rather pay for the brand.
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Actually, the heavier bottle with wine protects it from the light getting into it, and it preserves the wine better so there is an actual reason why they put it in the heavier bottles
Placebo doesn't work on me. I was given a different brand of medication without my knowledge. Looked identical to me. Later it was determined it was ineffective, but only after I already got sick. I told the doctor something was wrong long before they worked it out.