AM4 turned out to be a blessing.. This is amazing to me.. This is the first time I've seen a platform last this long with these kinds of improvements..
Started with all 300 series boards in 2017 and 2018. New PCs for everyone in my family, under the tightest if budgets. Fast forward 4 years and those systems with the 1300x, and 2200g can all be updated to take on the 5000 series. That's 5 PCs in my family and as simple as Bios update and drop in a new cpu! Awesome for the next 3-5 years.
Long term platform stability is actually an AMD trademark at this point. AM3 had an 8 year run and early boards (before the AM3+ upgrade) were even backwards compatible with AM2 chips. Let's hope AM5 continues the tradition.
The reason there were such big jumps is partially because first gen Ryzen chips had high latency vs Intel, sure you can praise them for long term support.. but it still doesn't change the fact that they were behind for a while in certain areas like gaming.
I upgraded from a 2700x to a 5800x3D and it's a perfect pairing for my rtx 3070 ti. Might be a bit overkill but at least it should perform great with a higher tier gpu after I upgrade it.
@@koraptd6085 I did the same upgrade a few weeks ago but still on a 2070 Super. FPS gains ranged from 5% to 25%, depending on the game. Obviously the GPU is the bottleneck here, even at 1080p, but it's still extremely noticeable how much better the lows are. overall everything feels much "snappier" and more responsive, especially in fast paced games.
@@koraptd6085 I went from 3800x to 5800x and I noticed a big difference, but depends on your gpu and resolution, 5800x 3d is tempting for me, because I play star citizen and the 5800x 3d blitzes the 5800x in that game
I built my pc in 2017 with the ryzen 1500x. When I was able to upgrade to the 5600x recently my jaw dropped at how much improvement I saw. Made me glad I was an early adopter of ryzen
@@mix3k818 My point is Intel if they could would simply keep giving us the same thing year after year with 5-10 % annual IPC increases again if they could. They were charging a grand for quad cores years ago. Made us buy mew mobos if we wanted a new CPU, etc... Why would anyone want to go back to that?
I did the 1600 to 5600 jump on my X370... Man, I'm so happy. Even OCd the 5600 a little to 4.6 GHz! My 1600 was clocked at 4.0 GHz (1.368 vcore, stable stress tested, golden chip!).
@OneFortyFour Yeah! It started by selling my Vega 64 to a crypto miner, I got my Vega in 2017 for 380 CAD on Newegg. I listed my gpu for 750 CAD last month and sold it right away... Shortly thereafter I found a RX 6700 for the same price, so, free GPU upgrade! I thought my 1600 was going to be enough with its 4.0 GHz but yeah, it wasn't lol. But I had no intention on making a new build, I don't PC game enough to justify it. One week went by and I started seeing all these videos and articles about 5000 series Ryzen in 300 motherboards 😂 Mother of timing! Sold my 1600 for 80 CAD and got myself the 5600 for 275 CAD (including taxes). So yeah, May was a good month for my PC!
@@El1988Che Your 1600 was bottlenecking your VEGA quite significantly, not with cryptomining but with FPS. You know that now having watched this video.
@@wayland7150 Not so much, I was able to do 100-110 FPS (1080p high settings) in WarZone with Vega 64 and my R5 1600 OCd to 4 GHz. I never felt a bottleneck with that configuration. Vega was always maxing out and sounding like an hairdryer lol. On a stock 1600, I guess that'd be a different story. My ram was OCd to 3333 Mhz as well, and tweaked the timing using the Ryzen memory optimizer. Like I mentioned before, that 1600 was a golden sample... I sort of regret selling it lol
@@El1988Che If you never tried a 3600 or 5600 you don't actually know. The game RUST would do 120FPS at HD using a VEGA 56 and RYZEN 3800. This was compared with a RTX 3090 + 12900K system which could push out 150FPS in RUST according to the chap I lent the system to. Sometimes you need just the right combination. We know for a fact because this video proves it that the 1600 bottlenecks graphics cards, even modest ones. When it first came out Steve hated the RYZEN because it was so slow in games compared to the intel even though it was maybe twice as fast in Cinebench. He did tests to prove it. AMD have redeemed themselves with the CPU upgrades for AM4. An odd feature of the slow 1600 was that GTA5 actually ran better on AMD than intel. The reason turned out to be that GTA5 stuttered when driven too hard, like it was by the intel.
@@wayland7150 Well, I don't really play PC games enough to justify (or care) at the time. When I built my PC in 2017, it was pretty OK! I spent more time Overclocking and tweaking than actually gaming on it (I'm more of a console guy, boohh, I know, right?). This whole upgrade thing was triggered when I manged to flip my Vega hard just to see, and à few days after I found a 6700 for the price I sold my Vega. Now then, I did see the bottleneck. However, I didn't care enough about it to actually upgrade. I wasn't going to get a Ryzen 3000 or anything lol. A week went by and I saw all these Ryzen 5000 on 300 motherboards and I jumped on the hype train haha. Got myself a 5600, gave it a mild OC and called it the day. You know how many times I actually PC gamed since I got my 5600? Once lol. Perhaps you're right, but at the time I build my PC in 2017, everything felt balanced (and 1600 AM4 was the right decision after all!). As of right now, my PC will probably stay with the RX 6700/R5 5600 for the next 5 years if not more lol.
This is exactly the video I was waiting for! I'm definitely upgrading now from my 1600! Such a huge difference just for a literal drop-in upgrade on my motherboard!
I think 1600 and 2600 are very similar performance but the gains with FPS of the 2600 are important. 2600 to 3600 is a massive gain in both CPU performance and FPS 3600 to 5600 is a massive gain in CPU performance but because the CPU is no longer the bottleneck the FPS gains are modest. If you want the biggest upgrade for the smallest outlay then the 3600 is the one. The 5600 provides more but costs more, get it if you have the money.
I have a RX 5600 XT and a Ryzen 5 2600X, currently not CPU bottlenecked at all. I game at 1080p. Still not sure if an upgrade of the CPU to a 5600 is worth the $260 Canadian, yet. If I upgraded my GPU I would consider it.
I've been through almost all RYZENs on my X470 board. The 1600 was a huge bottleneck but the 3600 pretty much eliminated the problem. Yes the 5600 is better but the difference is less noticeable. I'm on 5900X right now and the computer feels very smooth.
Depends what you mean by "huge bottleneck". You get 80-100 fps, so for 90%+ of the people this is plenty enough as high refresh monitors are still under 10% of the market and if you factor that most of them are using even slower cards than 6600 XT/ 3060 it's even less people that will experience bottlenecks.
@@peterruskov This video demonstrates the problem very clearly. With the 1600 the expensive GPU is no better than the cheap one. There are people on the RYZEN 1600 who upgraded their GPU who got no benefit yet had they kept their GPU and upgraded their CPU they would have got benefit. However if you don't think there is any point in going above 100FPS then probably no point in those faster GPUs. The point was illustrated well when in some of the games the 5600 + 6600 was faster than 1600 +6950. You don't need a high refresh rate monitor to appreciate high FPS, it just helps a lot.
@@wayland7150 Then you just up the graphic settings and you are GPU bound again. My point is if you don't have 120/144Hz monitor ( acording to Google high refresh rate sales are under 10%) there is little reason to upgrade.
Insane how amd enthusiasts go off on each other even, pathetic movement that amd has created. Each their own guys some enjoy 60fps as enough others need the silky smooth 144hz experience anyways pathetic that you guys go at each other.
This is EXACTLY what I wanted to see from someone! I have a 1600X with x370 and I am going to buy a 5950X from a friend soon. Wanted to see a ballpark of games and productivity compared. I appreciate you guys. Edit: I specifically remember when buying my CPU in 2017 that they wanted to guarantee support for AM4 until at least 2020, but I can't remember when that specifically ended on their first promise. I'm just very happy I bought in on first gen and they allow zen 3 on my board.
I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cpus have progressed in the 5 years between 2017 and 2022 compared to the progress made between the five years between 2012 and 2017. It would show how cpu performance improvements are much larger year over year when there is real competition in the market
I am currently with my _Ryzen 5 1600_ and the _MSI B350m Mortar Arctic,_ that I bought *just a month after the initial release* of the Ryzen platform in 2017. It's crazy that I can install since the latest BIOS update a _Ryzen 7 5700G_ (8c/16t APU), Ryzen 7 5800X3D_ (8c/16t) and even a _Ryzen 9 5950X_ (16c/32t) on the same Motherboard five years later! I am so glad that I didn't bought the _Intel i7 7700_ (4c/8t) that I was interested in back then.
AMD didn't know we would be able to put 5000 series CPUs in our B350 boards, but I took the gamble that I would at least be able to put what is now the 3000 series in, and it seems to have definately paid off. This gains AMD lots of points in my book, intel lose so many to me requiring now boards all the time, not just cost but E-Waste too.
In 2019 pre-pandemic I built a b450 system with the original Ryzen 1600 and overclocked it. Then later in 2021 I upgraded it to the 5600X. I should have waited and spent a little more initially to get the 2600 since the 3600 had just come out, then held off until the 5600x went down rather than paying full price. Regardless of my poor financial decisions though, the jump in performance was absolutely noticeable and well worth it. Glad I went with AM4's upgrade path.
@@BlackJesus8463 I didn't remember offhand. I bought a cheap kit of 2x8 GB DDR4 1333mhz with an XMP profile of 1500MHz 16CL for around $50. I used a Ryzen memory overclocking tool to adjust the timings. According to CPU-Z I'm running 16GB at 1600Mhz/3200 DDR4 with 14CL. Nothing super high end but performance has been great for the price.
I got the R5 1600 in 2017 and that CPU is till rocking on my wife's PC... It has been the best CPU in terms of price/performance/aging that i've gotten so far.
Hi Steve! Idea for video, battle of the value midrange Ryzen 5600 vs Alder Lake 12400F 25 or 40 game battle! including the popular multiplayer games like CSGO, PUBG, Valorant, Warzone, Apex like you do with your other battles! Your 9 game comparison video was good but not as good as your comprehensive 25 or 40 game battles
Always great to watch your great videos Steve! I'm very happy with my new Ryzen 5 5600. In the meantime I'm still waiting for your RX 6800 vs RTX 3070 Ti 50 games benchmark in 2022 when you have the time to do it!
Upgraded to R5 5600 from R5 2600 - cost me 100€ out of own pocket because old CPU sold for 105€ lol (just few euro less than what I paid for it nearly 3 years ago). Then undervolted with per core PBO curve optimizer, getting ~4.45GHz all core full load boost, and 4.65GHz single core / low load multicore boost. I'm on RX 6600 XT and performance is much smoother due much better 1% and 0.1% lows (playing mostly AAA and narrative driven games, so average fps is not as important for me as in competitive games but frametime performance is so much better)
My 5600x is at 4.85ghz all core oc at 1.27v LLC lv5. 1.22v Full Load. (MSI BIOS). 100% stable and passes Large FFT with AVX test in OCCT for 30 minutes and Realbench 10 hours.
@@thepatriot6966 Well I'm doing that at stock PPT, EDC and TDC, lol. Just claimed my free performance boost for now (may consider increasing power limits when I need more performance in the future). Flat overclocking is terrible way to go on Zen 3. You would be far more efficient by fine tuning undervolt with curve optimizer and then adjusting power limits to get best stable performance.
@@mroutcast8515 FIT voltage for my chip is 1.31v. My fixed voltage is at 1.27v. At medium loads it sits at around 60-65w. PPT set to 140w, EDC Stock. TDC is 80a. It only pulls close to 125w during stress tests. Runs cool as well in gaming situations never goes over 65c. Can't beat a custom water loop ;)
Even if I'm a 5950X owner out of curiousity: Did you test the 1600 with the microcode updates from the latest Bios Versions (aka you used it to flash the efi and tested after the flash) or did you first test the 1600 and then flashed the efi? Officially AMD and most Motherboard manufacturers do not recommed to use the lastest EFI Verisons on CPU's prior 3000 Series, but my 2700X worked just fine after flashing the 5000X Series EFI.
Will you consider doing the same for the 3600? Us 3600 owners will need to decide between investing further into am4 or to jump elsewhere - and your comparisons would be great food for thought!
Yeah a comparison of the all the 6 cores mainstream AM4 cpus would have been better just to get a gist of how the performance increase was from 1600->2600->3600->5600
Thank you for making this comparison. Would you please consider a similar video for the i7 8700/ 8700K and the i7 12700/ 12700K/ 12700F/ 12700KF? I presume that a lot of people are on it since 2017-2018 looking for an upgrade this year, including myself :) Cheers!
Whoa - thanks for this - I had no idea my 1600 is actually so much of a bottleneck for my RTX3070 - I would have expected maybe ~30-40% effectively, but definitely not this much. Will wait for 7000 series and upgrade!
It definitely is the best platform longevity ever...but not the best platform ever obviously z690 is newer and has much more to offer hopefully am5 matches that and lasts just as long tho 🤞 X to doubt though 😞
Just got the Ryzen 5600 for my daughter. Great upgrade from an Intel i7-4770! I was able to crank up the settings in Fortnite from Performance to DX12 with most settings on Medium and a few high.
Would you also consider doing a Ryzen 7 1800X v Ryzen 7 5800X3D gaming comparison? Results should be even more extreme than with these "x600" class Ryzen generations. Edit: And/or maybe Ryzen 5500 or 5600 ("slowest" Zen3 for gaming) v Ryzen 5800X3D (fastest Zen3 for gaming).
The problem with the X3D comparison is people misunderstand why the gains are what they are, too many assume it's the core count and them backtrack that idea to earlier 8c models as an extension to the comparison. AMD only chose the 5800X as the recipient of Vcache because it could be sold as a high margin part, whereas in reality all existing data shows that for *gaming* a 4c 5500X3D would have been equally as potent, infact potentially better due to lower thermal load per core making viable higher clocks. Since AMD though naturally bins out the silicon so that any 4c parts wouldn't be as good, the more optimal SKU would have been a 5600X3D, but again, though better for gamers (there's simply no need for 2 more cores), it would be a lower margin product. The irony is the 5800X3D has lower clocks, so in some scenarios and where the cache doesn't help, it can actually be slower. Binning also aligns silicon quality and thus frequency with core count, again skewing perceptions of where any gains originate (Intel does the same of course, though their products tend to be more cache gimped at the low end). It's a shame because a 5500X3D/5600X3D (or heck even just a proper 5500X) would likely have wiped the floor with Alderlake, and there would have been no need to produce the 4000 series parts either which resulted in nothing except bad PR. To put it another way, yes such a comparison might show larger differences, but the SKU prices are so high that one would be better off just going with a 6c part and using the saved cash to get a better GPU to begin with.
I have a 1600 and the only reason I haven't upgraded to a 5600 or maybe even splurge on a 5800X3D if I catch one in stock is because GPU prices are still absolutely insane. I might jump on a 3080 or 6800 XT if they ever drop to MSRP but by that time I may be better off just waiting until the next gen. As long as I have my RX 580 it just doesn't seem worth all that much to bother upgrading the CPU on its own. Definitely nice having the option to upgrade on my X370 board now for sure though.
I just bought a 5600 20 mins ago. I haven't used it.. I sure hope it is a noticable upgrade from the i7 7700. $150 for cpu at MC as well as the $20 off a motherboard for buying together.
I was thinking about upgrading my 1600 to a completely new platform but getting a 5600 and waiting a couple more months at least is a no brainer I've noticed my 1600 becoming too slow in multiple new games even at 1440p with a Rtx 2060 and the gains in productivity is also tempting as I use my computer a lot outside of gaming
Thanks as always. Your videos helped me pull the trigger on an msrp 6700xt to replace my 580 8gb, and I've been hemming on whether to upgrade my 2600(non-x) which I bought along side my 580. This gives me a lot of good information to help, and frankly if I can get one for 175 I agree it'd be a good investment vs going crazy with a 5800x3d. That will likely keep me satisfied until am5 hits 2nd gen. All I really need to do is verify with msi that my B450 can handle the SAM/BAR stuff of my 6700xt
Upgraded to 5600 from 2600 a couple of months ago and can confirm at least 50% boost in games , paired with a 1080. Overall very pleased with the result. Also a week later sold the 2600 for almost half the price of the new CPU, which was bough on a sale btw.
MSI B350M Gaming Pro's bios is ready, i'd like to update it before getting the processor but i'm not sure since I don't know if the latest bios will drop the 1600 compatibility 😖
Great news for me as I'm using a B450 board with a Ryzen 7 2700 and a 6700XT. Planning on dropping in the 5600 for happy performance for the next couple of years.
The 1600 even on latest games still gets well over 100+fps on the latest titles, you won’t have a problem running any game as long as you have a mid tier high tier gpu it’s obvious. Don’t waste your money going for a 5000 series just wait until the zen 5 cpus coming out next year for a way better upgrade cause you don’t even need to upgrade when most games still run fine on first gen zen
Sorry if I missed the explanation, but as the CPU upgrade will allow upgrading to Windows 11, are you comparing both systems running Windows 10 or are you allowing for the bump that Windows 11 will allow on the upgraded system?
I just did this same upgrade a few days ago and also bought a 1tb nvme ssd; I however did not check the compatability list for my motherboard for m.2s. I just thought of gen 4 as backward compatible with gen 3(physically it is). I was really looking forward to a bigger boot drive so I could throw on games too. Now I have an open ssd that I don't think is returnable even though it is brand new. I've never upgraded a cpu on the same platform I don't think, so this was kind of a new experience for me. Updating the bios that many times was a bit nerve-wracking, but it all worked out(even though a reinstall of windows made things feel smoother). I'm not sure if I did something wrong in the bios update process, but figured a clean install of windows would help fix any strangeness introduced and it seems to have done just that. Lessons learned I guess for next time I'm in a similar situation.
Are you saying your Gen 4 SSD is not compatible on your Gen3 PCIe motherboard? I was totally under the impression that PCIe was backwards compatible for storage as well as GPUs, etc.
@@davidandrew6855 in general that is the case but seems I got one of the few that isn't. Bios didn't recognize it and windows installer didn't either. I may try it again one more time but don't have much hope.
@@davidandrew6855 The one I got is a wd sn770. I just double checked and tried the few things I saw online for my problem, but no dice. I assumed it would be like I'd heard with it being backwards compatible it should have just worked but at slower speeds. Oh well, I'll either sell it locally since it's basically unused or I'll shelve it until I have a system that can use it(at least until second gen of AM5). Asrock b350 gaming k4 is what I'm on.
Did i miss what ram is being used? It always makes me wonder how much performance is left on the table if you still use that ddr4 value kit from 2017 for your new 5600
They’ve gone over this before, the 3200Mhz kit they use outperforms many other kits It’s dual rank and dual channel, it’s about the best you can get without un-syncing the infinity clock and IMC
@@ryanwallace983 it is also somewhat "outdated" (3200 cl14). There are faster kits with better timings out there that perform better and still are in 1:1 mode with infinity fabric (3600 CL14 kits)
It looks like in the video.. you were showing the 1600 AE. But also the 1600 AF... ( Which I only know about cause I just found a video about it a few minutes ago)... The AF came out a good bit later and is a good bit better.. so it's very different
My MSI B450m Mortar has turned out a blessing 🙌... I am now upgrading my 1600 and I am leaning towards the 5600x... But I am kindda thinking of maybe getting the 5800x, is it worth the $$$? It's going to be paired with a RTX 3070
Thank you. Can I ask what settings Steve use in Fortnite? I have fluctuations between 28 and 140 FPS and I don't know if there is a specific setting causing trouble. Also if there is like a twitch clip of it somewhere, can someone the clip. Thank you in advance.
I was wondering the same thing. When on Performance mode I have high fluctuations in pre-game and very early game. Just tested with DX12 and there are still fluctuations but fewer it seems. Steve, do you include pre-game in your testing and do you see the same fluctuations?
@@NetNeelsie My current system is 5800X3D with 3600CL14 2R, if my Fabric Clock cooperated a bit better I would try 3800. But would that really make a meaningful difference if you have V-Cache?
The 6600 XT is about twice as fast as the RX 580. Going from a 1600 to a 5600 with that GPU won't produce massive gains in gaming performance. That said, a lot could be said for doing the CPU upgrade now and doing a GPU upgrade a couple months down the line when new stuff comes out and prices have had a chance to drop even further for existing products.
did the same thing with 1700x to 5700x, went from 110-130 (with the occasional 140+) in CSGO arms race to an impressive 300+ range, what's holding up the processor?
Went from 1600 to 5600x. Great upgrade. Would have waited one more gen but my Gigabyte board crapped out. Lows are greatly improved on my 1060. Can't wait to let it really shine with a new GPU and monitor set up sometime in the next year.
What about testing if you could achieve the same performance on any first gen Ryzen? Maybe OG Epyc has enough cache? How much more wattage you would need?
Just bought the 5600 to replace my 2600... Gonna put it on my ASROCK A320M-HDV R4.0 motherboard... Which is a drop in upgrade provided you have the P7.10 or P7.20 bios update... Which I already have upgraded to... How much of a performance boost will I see over my Zen+ 2600??? Playing on a 75Hz 1440p ASUS pro business monitor using a 1660 super and 16gb 3000mhz ram cl15...
I have an R5 1600, it works fine since I bought it but in a couple of weeks I will change it for an I5 12400f (my first Intel build since my first Athlon).
Last year I upgraded from an i7 7700k to a 5600x. It was a solid upgrade though 7700k wasn't terrible for gaming. I upgraded my motherboard and a few other things too so now have pcie gen4 and 3 gen 4 nvme slots, direct to cpu.
I'm thinking to upgrade my 1600 for a 5600x or 5700G in order to mitigate the slight performance loss (esp in 0.1% and 1% dips) for switching to Linux/proton.
My critique here is that for the '25Game average' has a highly limited say in giving a meaningful, average performance differences between the two cpus since - in your own words -'mixed quality settings' where used.
When did b350 motherboards start to support new am4 cpus? I thought amd officially stated that they wouldn't be supported? Well now I may consider upgrading
I would be fine with AMD saying "Until DDR6 is in mass production" so they don't have to guestimate on something which is out of their hands. Having sockets tied to DDR generation is a good compromise in my opinion, as it is something tangible even non-techies can grasp. Yes, that's going to mean that the one who launches the earliest on a new DDR generation is going to be a bit plagued by RAM pricing, but I still think that's better than having this cross-over period where the CPUs need two DDR controllers for the duration of the socket (which is exactly the "valid excuse" for Intel to only run 12th and 13th gen on LGA1700).
I got the R73700X to replace my 1700X and the difference was astounding, even with the then-installed GTX 1080. I now have an RTX 3060Ti and the performance in my current games is ~60% better. I plan on going full Team Red when Radeon 7000 and AM5 are past their teething phase.
How do you expect the 5700X to perform in relation to the 2700(X)? Thinking about an upgrade, using the system mostly for productivity (code compilation, CFD).
Back in 2017 the "budget reasonable build" was 1600 & 1070. it's very good to see that today it became 5600 & 3070 and we are able to do it without changing mobo/ram
Well if you go to low on the GPU side you will see hardly any difference, so he picked two GPUs for comparison. I know my 1600 doesn't max out my 1660TI completely, but putting a 5600 on this GPU would show very little performance gain overall, as I would be GPU limited in the games I play.
@@davidandrew6855 Well im thinking more along the lines of an rx480-580/1060 or 2060.. Would love to see gains in these older cards as gpu's are just too expensive.
@@serfillustrated4018 Hmm. I think a 1600 would pretty much max out a 1060 in modern games these days. Those GPUs you listed are low end with the newest titles.
Well.....looks like I need to retire my 1600 and send it to become my home server processor. It'll certainly be an upgrade there. I wonder how much it would change for me though in terms of performance since I am still rocking a GTX 1060. But definitely looking to upgrade to a next generation AMD/Nvidia GPU next year.
@@realista182 Unfortunately for me, it would not improve my performance since I will be upgrading to 1440p in the near future. I will need a new gpu, but the 1060 should survive for the gaming that I do for a little bit until I can get my hands on another GPU.
Sorry but 100% just sounds misleading, 5600 is 250% more than 1600 🤔
No, it’s over 4000!
@@pietrmuffei8874 IT'S OVER 9000!
@@funi1083 WHAT NINE THOUSAND?
I identify as 2954103% Better than an R5 1600
@@JarrodsTech THERE'S NO WAY THAT CAN BE RIGHT!
AM4 turned out to be a blessing.. This is amazing to me.. This is the first time I've seen a platform last this long with these kinds of improvements..
Started with all 300 series boards in 2017 and 2018. New PCs for everyone in my family, under the tightest if budgets. Fast forward 4 years and those systems with the 1300x, and 2200g can all be updated to take on the 5000 series. That's 5 PCs in my family and as simple as Bios update and drop in a new cpu! Awesome for the next 3-5 years.
Long term platform stability is actually an AMD trademark at this point. AM3 had an 8 year run and early boards (before the AM3+ upgrade) were even backwards compatible with AM2 chips. Let's hope AM5 continues the tradition.
@@madcrowmaxwell AM5 will be a new socket and LGA format, it was already announced.
"AM5 LGA 1718"
Even higher if you add 5800X3D in the mix
The reason there were such big jumps is partially because first gen Ryzen chips had high latency vs Intel, sure you can praise them for long term support.. but it still doesn't change the fact that they were behind for a while in certain areas like gaming.
I upgraded from a 2700x to a 5800x3D and it's a perfect pairing for my rtx 3070 ti.
Might be a bit overkill but at least it should perform great with a higher tier gpu after I upgrade it.
Please tell what the gains are
There's no such thing as overkill 😈
@@koraptd6085 I did the same upgrade a few weeks ago but still on a 2070 Super. FPS gains ranged from 5% to 25%, depending on the game. Obviously the GPU is the bottleneck here, even at 1080p, but it's still extremely noticeable how much better the lows are. overall everything feels much "snappier" and more responsive, especially in fast paced games.
It's not at all overkill. 3060 Ti are CPU bottlenecked with pre-Zen3 CPUs.
@@koraptd6085 I went from 3800x to 5800x and I noticed a big difference, but depends on your gpu and resolution, 5800x 3d is tempting for me, because I play star citizen and the 5800x 3d blitzes the 5800x in that game
I built my pc in 2017 with the ryzen 1500x. When I was able to upgrade to the 5600x recently my jaw dropped at how much improvement I saw. Made me glad I was an early adopter of ryzen
Had you sold your processor?
@@cryptojockey1 yeah
@@dragonfistX200 for how much price? Bro
Same, with a rx 580 8gb! I'm going to upgrade to this cpu as well soon, can't wait :D
@@Azrubil about to do the same. Is it worth going for the 5600x over the 5600? I also have a rx580 8gb
Crazy how much has changed since Ryzen was first being introduced
Yes, I remember paying that 330$ for that 1700 back in 2017. Finally got rid of my 8320e cpu. Was a massive upgrade.
And how little things changed before. But there are still lots of people who would rather give Intel their money than AMD.
@@Relayer6a To be fair, if you can ignore power consumption, Intel now has a better low-end lineup.
@@mix3k818 My point is Intel if they could would simply keep giving us the same thing year after year with 5-10 % annual IPC increases again if they could. They were charging a grand for quad cores years ago. Made us buy mew mobos if we wanted a new CPU, etc... Why would anyone want to go back to that?
I did the 1600 to 5600 jump on my X370... Man, I'm so happy. Even OCd the 5600 a little to 4.6 GHz! My 1600 was clocked at 4.0 GHz (1.368 vcore, stable stress tested, golden chip!).
@OneFortyFour Yeah! It started by selling my Vega 64 to a crypto miner, I got my Vega in 2017 for 380 CAD on Newegg. I listed my gpu for 750 CAD last month and sold it right away... Shortly thereafter I found a RX 6700 for the same price, so, free GPU upgrade!
I thought my 1600 was going to be enough with its 4.0 GHz but yeah, it wasn't lol. But I had no intention on making a new build, I don't PC game enough to justify it. One week went by and I started seeing all these videos and articles about 5000 series Ryzen in 300 motherboards 😂 Mother of timing! Sold my 1600 for 80 CAD and got myself the 5600 for 275 CAD (including taxes). So yeah, May was a good month for my PC!
@@El1988Che Your 1600 was bottlenecking your VEGA quite significantly, not with cryptomining but with FPS. You know that now having watched this video.
@@wayland7150 Not so much, I was able to do 100-110 FPS (1080p high settings) in WarZone with Vega 64 and my R5 1600 OCd to 4 GHz. I never felt a bottleneck with that configuration. Vega was always maxing out and sounding like an hairdryer lol. On a stock 1600, I guess that'd be a different story. My ram was OCd to 3333 Mhz as well, and tweaked the timing using the Ryzen memory optimizer. Like I mentioned before, that 1600 was a golden sample... I sort of regret selling it lol
@@El1988Che If you never tried a 3600 or 5600 you don't actually know. The game RUST would do 120FPS at HD using a VEGA 56 and RYZEN 3800. This was compared with a RTX 3090 + 12900K system which could push out 150FPS in RUST according to the chap I lent the system to. Sometimes you need just the right combination. We know for a fact because this video proves it that the 1600 bottlenecks graphics cards, even modest ones. When it first came out Steve hated the RYZEN because it was so slow in games compared to the intel even though it was maybe twice as fast in Cinebench. He did tests to prove it. AMD have redeemed themselves with the CPU upgrades for AM4. An odd feature of the slow 1600 was that GTA5 actually ran better on AMD than intel. The reason turned out to be that GTA5 stuttered when driven too hard, like it was by the intel.
@@wayland7150 Well, I don't really play PC games enough to justify (or care) at the time. When I built my PC in 2017, it was pretty OK! I spent more time Overclocking and tweaking than actually gaming on it (I'm more of a console guy, boohh, I know, right?). This whole upgrade thing was triggered when I manged to flip my Vega hard just to see, and à few days after I found a 6700 for the price I sold my Vega.
Now then, I did see the bottleneck. However, I didn't care enough about it to actually upgrade. I wasn't going to get a Ryzen 3000 or anything lol. A week went by and I saw all these Ryzen 5000 on 300 motherboards and I jumped on the hype train haha. Got myself a 5600, gave it a mild OC and called it the day. You know how many times I actually PC gamed since I got my 5600? Once lol.
Perhaps you're right, but at the time I build my PC in 2017, everything felt balanced (and 1600 AM4 was the right decision after all!).
As of right now, my PC will probably stay with the RX 6700/R5 5600 for the next 5 years if not more lol.
This is exactly the video I was waiting for! I'm definitely upgrading now from my 1600! Such a huge difference just for a literal drop-in upgrade on my motherboard!
It would be cool if you did a comparison of 1600 vs 2600 vs 3600 vs 5600, like you did with the X versions!
I think 1600 and 2600 are very similar performance but the gains with FPS of the 2600 are important.
2600 to 3600 is a massive gain in both CPU performance and FPS
3600 to 5600 is a massive gain in CPU performance but because the CPU is no longer the bottleneck the FPS gains are modest.
If you want the biggest upgrade for the smallest outlay then the 3600 is the one. The 5600 provides more but costs more, get it if you have the money.
@@wayland7150 op is right, it would be cool if they did a comparison. Cool that you have an opinion.
I have a RX 5600 XT and a Ryzen 5 2600X, currently not CPU bottlenecked at all. I game at 1080p. Still not sure if an upgrade of the CPU to a 5600 is worth the $260 Canadian, yet. If I upgraded my GPU I would consider it.
@@MindShackleFilms It's fine. I have the 2600 and 5700XT but I play at 1440p or 4K 60 FPS.
It does not makes sense they are the same sku
I've been through almost all RYZENs on my X470 board. The 1600 was a huge bottleneck but the 3600 pretty much eliminated the problem. Yes the 5600 is better but the difference is less noticeable. I'm on 5900X right now and the computer feels very smooth.
Depends what you mean by "huge bottleneck". You get 80-100 fps, so for 90%+ of the people this is plenty enough as high refresh monitors are still under 10% of the market and if you factor that most of them are using even slower cards than 6600 XT/ 3060 it's even less people that will experience bottlenecks.
@@peterruskov This video demonstrates the problem very clearly. With the 1600 the expensive GPU is no better than the cheap one. There are people on the RYZEN 1600 who upgraded their GPU who got no benefit yet had they kept their GPU and upgraded their CPU they would have got benefit. However if you don't think there is any point in going above 100FPS then probably no point in those faster GPUs. The point was illustrated well when in some of the games the 5600 + 6600 was faster than 1600 +6950. You don't need a high refresh rate monitor to appreciate high FPS, it just helps a lot.
@@wayland7150 Then you just up the graphic settings and you are GPU bound again. My point is if you don't have 120/144Hz monitor ( acording to Google high refresh rate sales are under 10%) there is little reason to upgrade.
“Computer feels very smooth”. Dude, even my Windows 98 PC with pentium 4 processor and 128 MB ram felt “smooth”. You do not need a 5900X for that.
Insane how amd enthusiasts go off on each other even, pathetic movement that amd has created. Each their own guys some enjoy 60fps as enough others need the silky smooth 144hz experience anyways pathetic that you guys go at each other.
This is EXACTLY what I wanted to see from someone! I have a 1600X with x370 and I am going to buy a 5950X from a friend soon. Wanted to see a ballpark of games and productivity compared. I appreciate you guys.
Edit: I specifically remember when buying my CPU in 2017 that they wanted to guarantee support for AM4 until at least 2020, but I can't remember when that specifically ended on their first promise. I'm just very happy I bought in on first gen and they allow zen 3 on my board.
I am still using the 1600 since 2017. Still loving it
Good test! Did the upgrade from Ryzen 5 2600X to 5600 the previous month and even games not so CPU sensitive as The Witcher 3 got from 105 to 130FPS.
I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cpus have progressed in the 5 years between 2017 and 2022 compared to the progress made between the five years between 2012 and 2017. It would show how cpu performance improvements are much larger year over year when there is real competition in the market
I am currently with my _Ryzen 5 1600_ and the _MSI B350m Mortar Arctic,_ that I bought *just a month after the initial release* of the Ryzen platform in 2017. It's crazy that I can install since the latest BIOS update a _Ryzen 7 5700G_ (8c/16t APU), Ryzen 7 5800X3D_ (8c/16t) and even a _Ryzen 9 5950X_ (16c/32t) on the same Motherboard five years later!
I am so glad that I didn't bought the _Intel i7 7700_ (4c/8t) that I was interested in back then.
AMD didn't know we would be able to put 5000 series CPUs in our B350 boards, but I took the gamble that I would at least be able to put what is now the 3000 series in, and it seems to have definately paid off. This gains AMD lots of points in my book, intel lose so many to me requiring now boards all the time, not just cost but E-Waste too.
just ordered a 5600x for my almost 6 year old board
In 2019 pre-pandemic I built a b450 system with the original Ryzen 1600 and overclocked it. Then later in 2021 I upgraded it to the 5600X. I should have waited and spent a little more initially to get the 2600 since the 3600 had just come out, then held off until the 5600x went down rather than paying full price. Regardless of my poor financial decisions though, the jump in performance was absolutely noticeable and well worth it. Glad I went with AM4's upgrade path.
How fast can you run RAM on your B450?
@@BlackJesus8463 I didn't remember offhand. I bought a cheap kit of 2x8 GB DDR4 1333mhz with an XMP profile of 1500MHz 16CL for around $50. I used a Ryzen memory overclocking tool to adjust the timings. According to CPU-Z I'm running 16GB at 1600Mhz/3200 DDR4 with 14CL. Nothing super high end but performance has been great for the price.
@@myew not bad
I got the R5 1600 in 2017 and that CPU is till rocking on my wife's PC... It has been the best CPU in terms of price/performance/aging that i've gotten so far.
Hi Steve! Idea for video, battle of the value midrange Ryzen 5600 vs Alder Lake 12400F 25 or 40 game battle! including the popular multiplayer games like CSGO, PUBG, Valorant, Warzone, Apex like you do with your other battles! Your 9 game comparison video was good but not as good as your comprehensive 25 or 40 game battles
Always great to watch your great videos Steve! I'm very happy with my new Ryzen 5 5600. In the meantime I'm still waiting for your RX 6800 vs RTX 3070 Ti 50 games benchmark in 2022 when you have the time to do it!
I just recently got a MSI B450M Pro-M2 Max mobo a few days ago, so I was looking to see if a 5600 or 5600x was a budget cpu choice.
Upgraded to R5 5600 from R5 2600 - cost me 100€ out of own pocket because old CPU sold for 105€ lol (just few euro less than what I paid for it nearly 3 years ago). Then undervolted with per core PBO curve optimizer, getting ~4.45GHz all core full load boost, and 4.65GHz single core / low load multicore boost. I'm on RX 6600 XT and performance is much smoother due much better 1% and 0.1% lows (playing mostly AAA and narrative driven games, so average fps is not as important for me as in competitive games but frametime performance is so much better)
My 5600x is at 4.85ghz all core oc at 1.27v LLC lv5. 1.22v Full Load. (MSI BIOS). 100% stable and passes Large FFT with AVX test in OCCT for 30 minutes and Realbench 10 hours.
@@thepatriot6966 Well I'm doing that at stock PPT, EDC and TDC, lol. Just claimed my free performance boost for now (may consider increasing power limits when I need more performance in the future). Flat overclocking is terrible way to go on Zen 3. You would be far more efficient by fine tuning undervolt with curve optimizer and then adjusting power limits to get best stable performance.
@@mroutcast8515 FIT voltage for my chip is 1.31v. My fixed voltage is at 1.27v. At medium loads it sits at around 60-65w. PPT set to 140w, EDC Stock. TDC is 80a. It only pulls close to 125w during stress tests. Runs cool as well in gaming situations never goes over 65c. Can't beat a custom water loop ;)
Wish I bought that motherboard back in the day. I always thought I'd go 12 or 16 cores eventually but the 5600 is everything I need.
Even if I'm a 5950X owner out of curiousity: Did you test the 1600 with the microcode updates from the latest Bios Versions (aka you used it to flash the efi and tested after the flash) or did you first test the 1600 and then flashed the efi? Officially AMD and most Motherboard manufacturers do not recommed to use the lastest EFI Verisons on CPU's prior 3000 Series, but my 2700X worked just fine after flashing the 5000X Series EFI.
Crazy. I have a b350 and 1600 and was considering upgrading this weekend. Thanks for this!
This is so well done. Awesome video and just what I needed to know. Having both GPUs was a brilliant move.
Will you consider doing the same for the 3600? Us 3600 owners will need to decide between investing further into am4 or to jump elsewhere - and your comparisons would be great food for thought!
Obviously it's better to invest into am4. A 5600-upgrade will only cost around $70(?) or even less while anything else will cost hundreds of dollars.
Yeah a comparison of the all the 6 cores mainstream AM4 cpus would have been better just to get a gist of how the performance increase was from 1600->2600->3600->5600
you have the mobo? sell your 3600 and snag a cheap 5600
5800X3D man, it's what I did and it was a no-brain move!
@@jimmyjango5213 your upgrade costs for the x3d will go up by over 9000% :)
Thank you for making this comparison. Would you please consider a similar video for the i7 8700/ 8700K and the i7 12700/ 12700K/ 12700F/ 12700KF? I presume that a lot of people are on it since 2017-2018 looking for an upgrade this year, including myself :) Cheers!
Can we please get this same comparison but for productivity workloads?
Meanwhile: Most people are still on a 2600K and truly believe "it's still fast enough" while the GPU is asleep waiting for data.
Whoa - thanks for this - I had no idea my 1600 is actually so much of a bottleneck for my RTX3070 - I would have expected maybe ~30-40% effectively, but definitely not this much. Will wait for 7000 series and upgrade!
This is kinda timely, I just ordered a 5700X with a promo (US$250 converted) a day ago to upgrade my R5-1600.
AM4: the best platform ever!
It definitely is the best platform longevity ever...but not the best platform ever obviously z690 is newer and has much more to offer hopefully am5 matches that and lasts just as long tho 🤞
X to doubt though 😞
Just got the Ryzen 5600 for my daughter. Great upgrade from an Intel i7-4770! I was able to crank up the settings in Fortnite from Performance to DX12 with most settings on Medium and a few high.
Would you also consider doing a Ryzen 7 1800X v Ryzen 7 5800X3D gaming comparison?
Results should be even more extreme than with these "x600" class Ryzen generations.
Edit: And/or maybe Ryzen 5500 or 5600 ("slowest" Zen3 for gaming) v Ryzen 5800X3D (fastest Zen3 for gaming).
The problem with the X3D comparison is people misunderstand why the gains are what they are, too many assume it's the core count and them backtrack that idea to earlier 8c models as an extension to the comparison. AMD only chose the 5800X as the recipient of Vcache because it could be sold as a high margin part, whereas in reality all existing data shows that for *gaming* a 4c 5500X3D would have been equally as potent, infact potentially better due to lower thermal load per core making viable higher clocks. Since AMD though naturally bins out the silicon so that any 4c parts wouldn't be as good, the more optimal SKU would have been a 5600X3D, but again, though better for gamers (there's simply no need for 2 more cores), it would be a lower margin product. The irony is the 5800X3D has lower clocks, so in some scenarios and where the cache doesn't help, it can actually be slower. Binning also aligns silicon quality and thus frequency with core count, again skewing perceptions of where any gains originate (Intel does the same of course, though their products tend to be more cache gimped at the low end).
It's a shame because a 5500X3D/5600X3D (or heck even just a proper 5500X) would likely have wiped the floor with Alderlake, and there would have been no need to produce the 4000 series parts either which resulted in nothing except bad PR.
To put it another way, yes such a comparison might show larger differences, but the SKU prices are so high that one would be better off just going with a 6c part and using the saved cash to get a better GPU to begin with.
I have a 1600 and the only reason I haven't upgraded to a 5600 or maybe even splurge on a 5800X3D if I catch one in stock is because GPU prices are still absolutely insane. I might jump on a 3080 or 6800 XT if they ever drop to MSRP but by that time I may be better off just waiting until the next gen. As long as I have my RX 580 it just doesn't seem worth all that much to bother upgrading the CPU on its own. Definitely nice having the option to upgrade on my X370 board now for sure though.
Which version of 1600 is used in the benchmarks - AE or AF? Great and useful video as always from Harbor Unbox ;)
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I just bought a 5600 20 mins ago. I haven't used it.. I sure hope it is a noticable upgrade from the i7 7700.
$150 for cpu at MC as well as the $20 off a motherboard for buying together.
1600 is still enough for decent gaming
What about the R5 1600 AF Model Variants? 🤔
I Upgraded From Ryzen 5 1600AF to Ryzen 5 5600 on ASUS PRIME A320M-K motherboard no Problems Mate
I'm thinking of the same, is it a noticeable difference in daily use such as browsing and coding ?
@@srinivasprasad837 its snappy as hell,idk if that is worth for you tho
@@srinivasprasad837 for gaming it's was worth it for me
Is there enough of a performance gain to upgrade my 3600x for a 5900x for primarily gaming and some streaming? GPU is a power color 5700xt red devil.
I was thinking about upgrading my 1600 to a completely new platform but getting a 5600 and waiting a couple more months at least is a no brainer
I've noticed my 1600 becoming too slow in multiple new games even at 1440p with a Rtx 2060 and the gains in productivity is also tempting as I use my computer a lot outside of gaming
Thanks as always. Your videos helped me pull the trigger on an msrp 6700xt to replace my 580 8gb, and I've been hemming on whether to upgrade my 2600(non-x) which I bought along side my 580. This gives me a lot of good information to help, and frankly if I can get one for 175 I agree it'd be a good investment vs going crazy with a 5800x3d. That will likely keep me satisfied until am5 hits 2nd gen.
All I really need to do is verify with msi that my B450 can handle the SAM/BAR stuff of my 6700xt
Upgraded to 5600 from 2600 a couple of months ago and can confirm at least 50% boost in games , paired with a 1080. Overall very pleased with the result. Also a week later sold the 2600 for almost half the price of the new CPU, which was bough on a sale btw.
MSI B350M Gaming Pro's bios is ready, i'd like to update it before getting the processor but i'm not sure since I don't know if the latest bios will drop the 1600 compatibility 😖
Great video, Steve. Keeps me hopeful that my X470 will last several component upgrades over the years. Still with Zen+ and no DGPU.
Love these videos. Not all people have high end cpu in their system. Most RUclipsrs just assume we have the best
Great news for me as I'm using a B450 board with a Ryzen 7 2700 and a 6700XT. Planning on dropping in the 5600 for happy performance for the next couple of years.
Might be uncommon but I kinda wanna see the 1700x/1800x vs the 5800x3d. Because I have the Zen chip and wanna see if that is a worth while upgrade
The 1600 even on latest games still gets well over 100+fps on the latest titles, you won’t have a problem running any game as long as you have a mid tier high tier gpu it’s obvious. Don’t waste your money going for a 5000 series just wait until the zen 5 cpus coming out next year for a way better upgrade cause you don’t even need to upgrade when most games still run fine on first gen zen
Sorry if I missed the explanation, but as the CPU upgrade will allow upgrading to Windows 11, are you comparing both systems running Windows 10 or are you allowing for the bump that Windows 11 will allow on the upgraded system?
I would REALLY like to see 1800X -> 5800X3D gaming uplift!
Please Steve, make it happen! 🙏
I know this is all about gains in games, but sould have at least included a 7-Zip test for people who doesn't use their machines for gaming only.
This use case is looking for the 8 core parts as they will be 33% faster for productivity and about the same for gaming.
I would have been interested in the performance of MS Flight Simulator 2020 with these two. Appreciate you using the high and mid-range GPUs.
I just did this same upgrade a few days ago and also bought a 1tb nvme ssd; I however did not check the compatability list for my motherboard for m.2s. I just thought of gen 4 as backward compatible with gen 3(physically it is). I was really looking forward to a bigger boot drive so I could throw on games too. Now I have an open ssd that I don't think is returnable even though it is brand new. I've never upgraded a cpu on the same platform I don't think, so this was kind of a new experience for me. Updating the bios that many times was a bit nerve-wracking, but it all worked out(even though a reinstall of windows made things feel smoother). I'm not sure if I did something wrong in the bios update process, but figured a clean install of windows would help fix any strangeness introduced and it seems to have done just that.
Lessons learned I guess for next time I'm in a similar situation.
Are you saying your Gen 4 SSD is not compatible on your Gen3 PCIe motherboard? I was totally under the impression that PCIe was backwards compatible for storage as well as GPUs, etc.
@@davidandrew6855 in general that is the case but seems I got one of the few that isn't. Bios didn't recognize it and windows installer didn't either. I may try it again one more time but don't have much hope.
@@jwest88 Damn, sorry to hear that man. I bought a Samsung 970 Evo 250GB, so that one did/does work on B350 specifically B350 Tomahawk
@@davidandrew6855 The one I got is a wd sn770. I just double checked and tried the few things I saw online for my problem, but no dice. I assumed it would be like I'd heard with it being backwards compatible it should have just worked but at slower speeds. Oh well, I'll either sell it locally since it's basically unused or I'll shelve it until I have a system that can use it(at least until second gen of AM5). Asrock b350 gaming k4 is what I'm on.
Did i miss what ram is being used? It always makes me wonder how much performance is left on the table if you still use that ddr4 value kit from 2017 for your new 5600
They’ve gone over this before, the 3200Mhz kit they use outperforms many other kits
It’s dual rank and dual channel, it’s about the best you can get without un-syncing the infinity clock and IMC
@@ryanwallace983 it is also somewhat "outdated" (3200 cl14). There are faster kits with better timings out there that perform better and still are in 1:1 mode with infinity fabric (3600 CL14 kits)
@@zbrkesbris5987 true but it shouldn’t be that big of a delta
Thanks steve.
Makes me wonder about the 65w 8 core chips. I should be dropping one in myself.
Amd can probably make and sell these longer than normal.
I upgradet my 1600 to a 5700x on my msi b350 tomahawk, great Performance increase, both in games and all Day use
I and others told you we could do this (bios upgrade) and we would even mod the bios's if need be but you ignored our comments back then.
It looks like in the video.. you were showing the 1600 AE. But also the 1600 AF... ( Which I only know about cause I just found a video about it a few minutes ago)...
The AF came out a good bit later and is a good bit better.. so it's very different
Well damn I have a amd ryzen 1700x on X370 motherboard I still waiting for the ZEN 4 but I had no idea my cpu was that slow by comparison.
My MSI B450m Mortar has turned out a blessing 🙌... I am now upgrading my 1600 and I am leaning towards the 5600x... But I am kindda thinking of maybe getting the 5800x, is it worth the $$$? It's going to be paired with a RTX 3070
I upgraded from r5 1600af to r7 5800x huge performance upgrade( and the best thing about it ,that im using the same mobo b450) thx amd 😍
Thank you. Can I ask what settings Steve use in Fortnite? I have fluctuations between 28 and 140 FPS and I don't know if there is a specific setting causing trouble. Also if there is like a twitch clip of it somewhere, can someone the clip. Thank you in advance.
I was wondering the same thing. When on Performance mode I have high fluctuations in pre-game and very early game. Just tested with DX12 and there are still fluctuations but fewer it seems. Steve, do you include pre-game in your testing and do you see the same fluctuations?
@@MaximLaeveren See pre-game and early on in a game makes me think slow memory, but this happens all the time for me.
@@NetNeelsie My current system is 5800X3D with 3600CL14 2R, if my Fabric Clock cooperated a bit better I would try 3800. But would that really make a meaningful difference if you have V-Cache?
@@MaximLaeveren Jo, sorry. When I said slow memory I was referring to the hard drive I am running the game of.
I would love to see this with RX580 graphics card.
What would be the better upgrade. CPU or GPU?
The 6600 XT is about twice as fast as the RX 580. Going from a 1600 to a 5600 with that GPU won't produce massive gains in gaming performance.
That said, a lot could be said for doing the CPU upgrade now and doing a GPU upgrade a couple months down the line when new stuff comes out and prices have had a chance to drop even further for existing products.
did the same thing with 1700x to 5700x, went from 110-130 (with the occasional 140+) in CSGO arms race to an impressive 300+ range, what's holding up the processor?
Still have 1600. Recently bought Rtx 3060ti for 4K gaming and modeling in Blender 3D. i think it is a good pair for 2022
waiting for ryzen 7xxx
Steve can you make a video about improvement with most popular emulators?
Went from 1600 to 5600x. Great upgrade. Would have waited one more gen but my Gigabyte board crapped out. Lows are greatly improved on my 1060. Can't wait to let it really shine with a new GPU and monitor set up sometime in the next year.
Just did this exact upgrade with thermal grizzly paste on my hyper 212. 😀.
I have a 3600 how does it compare to the 5600
This is the kind of video I love! I'd like to see a similar comparison video with the 5700X.
What about testing if you could achieve the same performance on any first gen Ryzen? Maybe OG Epyc has enough cache? How much more wattage you would need?
The video that I didn't know I needed lol. I'm looking into upgrading my Ryzen build
Just bought the 5600 to replace my 2600... Gonna put it on my ASROCK A320M-HDV R4.0 motherboard... Which is a drop in upgrade provided you have the P7.10 or P7.20 bios update... Which I already have upgraded to... How much of a performance boost will I see over my Zen+ 2600??? Playing on a 75Hz 1440p ASUS pro business monitor using a 1660 super and 16gb 3000mhz ram cl15...
I have an R5 1600, it works fine since I bought it but in a couple of weeks I will change it for an I5 12400f (my first Intel build since my first Athlon).
I got a 1600 laying around and wanted to make a rig to run some game servers, would it still be okay to use?
Will if playing in 4k CPU still makes very little difference, I wonder how much of a difference these CPUs will make with a rtx 3070 at 1080 and 1440
It’s crazy how far tech has progressed about to upgrade to a 5800x3d form a 3600.
Thank you for adding ACC!
next few weeks I going to buy the AMD 5800X was thinking about the 5600/5600 - current PC i7 950
Last year I upgraded from an i7 7700k to a 5600x. It was a solid upgrade though 7700k wasn't terrible for gaming. I upgraded my motherboard and a few other things too so now have pcie gen4 and 3 gen 4 nvme slots, direct to cpu.
Almost a perfect video. Just missing overclocking. 1600@3.8GHz(+?) vs 5600@4.6GHz(+?)
I'm thinking to upgrade my 1600 for a 5600x or 5700G in order to mitigate the slight performance loss (esp in 0.1% and 1% dips) for switching to Linux/proton.
My critique here is that for the '25Game average' has a highly limited say in giving a meaningful, average performance differences between the two cpus since - in your own words -'mixed quality settings' where used.
As a ryzen 3 1200 user this makes me very happy to see, I'll probably have to upgrade very soon!
When did b350 motherboards start to support new am4 cpus? I thought amd officially stated that they wouldn't be supported? Well now I may consider upgrading
I would be fine with AMD saying "Until DDR6 is in mass production" so they don't have to guestimate on something which is out of their hands. Having sockets tied to DDR generation is a good compromise in my opinion, as it is something tangible even non-techies can grasp. Yes, that's going to mean that the one who launches the earliest on a new DDR generation is going to be a bit plagued by RAM pricing, but I still think that's better than having this cross-over period where the CPUs need two DDR controllers for the duration of the socket (which is exactly the "valid excuse" for Intel to only run 12th and 13th gen on LGA1700).
I got the R73700X to replace my 1700X and the difference was astounding, even with the then-installed GTX 1080. I now have an RTX 3060Ti and the performance in my current games is ~60% better. I plan on going full Team Red when Radeon 7000 and AM5 are past their teething phase.
How do you expect the 5700X to perform in relation to the 2700(X)?
Thinking about an upgrade, using the system mostly for productivity (code compilation, CFD).
Back in 2017 the "budget reasonable build" was 1600 & 1070.
it's very good to see that today it became 5600 & 3070 and we are able to do it without changing mobo/ram
For 4k gaming or for weaker GPUs the 1600 is still quite ok.
Im still waiting for my asrock ab350 pro4 zen3 bios update xD
I just asked MSI if I could use the 5800X3D on my Carbon X470 M/B and they said that I could so I'm thinking of upgrading now.
Would have loved to seen this test done with the gpus ppl were pairing with these cpus when they built their system.
Well if you go to low on the GPU side you will see hardly any difference, so he picked two GPUs for comparison. I know my 1600 doesn't max out my 1660TI completely, but putting a 5600 on this GPU would show very little performance gain overall, as I would be GPU limited in the games I play.
@@davidandrew6855 Well im thinking more along the lines of an rx480-580/1060 or 2060.. Would love to see gains in these older cards as gpu's are just too expensive.
@@serfillustrated4018 Hmm. I think a 1600 would pretty much max out a 1060 in modern games these days. Those GPUs you listed are low end with the newest titles.
I'm gonna upgrade from an FX-8350 to a 5800 X3D, that's probably a 500% improvement lol
AM4 is truly a blessing and i hope AM5 is the same.
Damn Steve with the Morbius drip in the thumbnail.
I really liked this generational comparison, thanks for all your work!
Well.....looks like I need to retire my 1600 and send it to become my home server processor. It'll certainly be an upgrade there. I wonder how much it would change for me though in terms of performance since I am still rocking a GTX 1060. But definitely looking to upgrade to a next generation AMD/Nvidia GPU next year.
same cpu and gpu. i wonder if only 5600 would be sufficient to improve gaming a little. or if i also need new gpu
@@realista182 Unfortunately for me, it would not improve my performance since I will be upgrading to 1440p in the near future. I will need a new gpu, but the 1060 should survive for the gaming that I do for a little bit until I can get my hands on another GPU.