Airgun Hunting and Long Range and Ethics....OH MY!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- This week Keith walks us through some of the tools he and Norm use to make long range shots. He also goes a bit into terminal performance and the ethics surrounding using a modern airgun for long range shooting, and for hits to the vitals vs. headshots. Some people are going to love this video, and some are going to absolutely hate what he has to say. Let the debate begin.....errr......resume!
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“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has been forgotten”. Good info and being realistic about it. Thanks guys for sharing what you do and how you do with the rest of us. It’s MUCH appreciated.
Thanks so much GA. I really like that quote, its a new one to me, thanks for that! Much more poetic than “ buy once cry once!”
Best video anywhere on the topic!!
Thanks so much Bob!!!!!! I miss you buddy get your butt back out here!
These videos are getting better and better every time, keep up the good work. Doing a great job
Thanks so much kyle. Appreciate that very much!
Awesome video guys, and i really like the way you tell things the way they are, good honest thoughts and what you need etc, Thanks to you both, Cheers
Thanks Casper!
Those of us that matter, appreciate and will understand. Those us that think they count, will never appreciate or understand. Great video and thanks.
Thanks brotha, and thanks for the support!
Its no coincidence that I stumbled across this video.I recently aquired a Rapier 2 Rangefinder and quickly came to the realization that the ballistic app that I pair the rangefinder to my rifles with is simply not good enough.The idea is good.The results can be close,but it was never gonna be good enough to make the kind of ethical kills I wanted.I noticed a variety of factors change the ballistics app; things like scope height,ballistic coefficient,and even scope magnification.I took my time and really set it all up as accurately as I could.I used two chronographs and checked and re-checked coefficients.I broke out the calibers and used Matt Dubber’s scope height formulas.But,at the end of the day,I was back to dope cards every 5 and in some cases 2.5 yards.And I’m glad I found this video.This video confirms what I already found out.The ballistics apps are just another tool in the box as Keith said but not the end all.Wow! I found this video whenI needed it! Thanks Keith and Norm for all you do for us airgunners.Wishing you guys all the best!
Thats awesome bro and you are spot on Im sure you slay your share bc you definitely know what you are taking about. Shoot straight brother thanks for watching!
As always, quality info, sensible delivery, and easily understood. Learn a lot from you fellers, so I do!
Thanks bret!
Great respect for y’all. Excellent video. Always appreciate your explanations and commentary. Thanks.
Thanks so much Jesse!
Very good information on long distance shooting , pest sniper school , i learn alot from you guys
Phillip Mendiola haha. Yeah buddy glad you are!
I respect you gentlemen and what you do . This is a well versed video. I'm gaining some traction with all these tidbits.
Thanks Michael, we will keep em comin!
Great video guys!
Thanks buddy!
I love this kind of info very helpful thanks Kieth for sharing it helps me out alot
Awesome thanks chris, hope you are well buddy
You guys are awesome!
Wish I lived closer to you and were in your circle! Thanks for all the videos! Always look fwd to each and everyone!
Thanks so much Cliff !!!!
keith!!!! chapter one in the shooting school manual!! Well done, really well done......student #1
Thanks Gil, we are getting there!
Great video guys. I definitely need to get out and shoot more then once for my dope. Calm days are hard to come by for sure. I did put a night force on my impact recently and its a game changer.. Thanks again for the info!!!
Awesome! Great scope!
Great video, very good advice. Thanks!
Thanks man! Hope to meet you at rmac!
Awesome video...!!
Outstanding video guys
Thanks dale!
Thanks for this video, it will help me out a lot.
Great video Keith!!!
Natural ability with total trust in your equipment and your self definitely play a huge roll in what you guys do....and like you said thousands of rounds down range!
So many think the gun should do it for them but even the most accurate guns are only as accurate as the pellet head behind the scope!!!! Lol. Watching those woodchuck hits has got me itching for spring time...
James from Michigan
confidence is huge James. I don't car what gun what scope and what ammo you are shooting. if you don't have confidence in your shooting abilities then please just shoot at targets and not pests. because at the end of the day we put all this time and effort in to be able to kill something as fast as possible
Thanks buddy. Man i know i was just saying to norm and ham the other day how much i miss woodchucks!
the professor of long range shooting doing what he does best. great video brother.
Thanks brotha!
Woah.......info overload! Great vid. Definitely will have to watch several times....& take notes. Agreed on the vitals shot. Grounded a squirrel yesterday, well placed shot to the shoulder, ran 5 yards. DRT.
haha yeah I kinda just talked for a long time without a script written out.......so I hit a few points maybe too many?
Spot on,couldn’t agree more.keep on smacking 👌
Thanks Sam!
I stumbled across a crazy argument against you guys taking such long shots on some Airgun forum a while ago. Was really silly. Love watching y’all’s hunts and thanks for all the good info as I stumble my way towards shooting longer range. I personally am not good enough to shoot animals at such long distance like you guys do but the proof is in the pudding with y’all’s hunts.
Thanks brotha. Cant please everyone. And we have found that lots of folks think “i cant so they cant”. Thats not our policy lololol
Great information Keith. As to the head shot/body shot, in a lot of my posts on squirrels this year people noticed all of the body shots I take. Yes occasionally you need a follow up but most shots drop them and they are drt. Why? Enough energy, shot placement and pellets with good energy dumps within the body plus I'm more comfortable with body shots.
Yessir, much bigger area to hit. Headshots with my 177 break barrel are pretty much mandatory. But with these accurate pcps? Chest all day!
Appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience. Our hobby is a lot of fun and discipline. Nothin like it. Congrats on the 300 + yard shot! Thanks.
Thanks william!
Keith I agree with your comparison of shooting pests to shooting deer in that if the expire after only running a few yards all is good. The same with a pigeon if it only flies a few yards after impact it is still a humane shot. A lot of that to me has to do with smaller calibers and lack of expansion with some slugs. I am really impress with the new FX Hybrids slugs and their expansion. I personally am looking forward this spring in seeing how well they work out on groundhogs with chest shots. When the FX Hybrids come out in .25 caliber I say look out. I would like to see you do a video in more detail showing how you check your zero in the different weather conditions and how you then input that information into your ballistic program. Thanks to you and Norm for your videos.
Thanks much. Norm and I have talked about doing that video for a long time. I think it would be very informative, but it would be quite boring too unless we can spice it up a bit. Ill keep noodling on it!
Thanks for the pointers Keith. I been purchasing the Athlon FFP scopes. I like them. Your opinion on those?
Lovin em man. I hated ffp because of the lack of dialing range. But sthlon seems to have that figured out. No reticle holdovers needed with 110 moa in the turret.
68. Whiskey. I have the adjustable scope mounts, and have my turret dialed all the way down for a 50 yard zero. I have all of my up elevation. I am ordering my FX Dreamline Tactical with the folding stock in .25 caliber and with the built in 20 MOA scope mount, along with the Athlon Argos 6-24 X 50 FFP in about two weeks from Utah Airguns. They set it aside for me, and put my name on it. Waiting for the Power Plenum to deliver to them also. Thadeous said that there are in customs right now, but he doesn’t know how many are going to deliver. I’m like number 28 or 29 on the list, so I should be able to get the upgrade with this delivery. Ready for that increased shot count. I have the Athlon Argos 8-36 X 56 FFP on my Impact MKII .30 caliber. Always enjoy your guys videos.
You Covered a lot in that Video, will have to watch it many times to get everything down. I haven't been able to shoot long-range ( over 100 yards ) but reason I am looking at a FX gun & a 30 cal However I will have to build up on price of a scope around $ 500 maybe all I will be able to afford to start with.
If you were going the $500 route there are still some good options. So far i have loved everything about my athlon argos btr I highly recommend checking that one out! Next weeks video all of my shots are with it, so u can see the reticle and such
Hi excellent video compadre, what size is the impact you use? What kind of ammo? And how many fps do you have it set up?
Thanks man, well we have lots of different ones. Mostly we use 25 and thirty cal in 700mm barrels. Jsb pellets. Fx hybrids and varmint knockers and nielsen slugs depending on the job!
Good info. Please make another with more info on adjusting air rifle for different distances like 100, 150, 175 and up. Love the video. Thanks
You mean on dialing the scope or
Making enough power to get out that far?
@@68Whiskey i meant making enough power to get it there but a detail class of dialing the scope and how to acount for wind would be very nice. I see how you dial back and forth quickly and thats awsome. Also I think a lot of us have the same guns so your settings i wouldnt imagine are too off from gun to gun. Gives us a starting point for the average wotking Joe.😀
Thanks for another great video brother!
thanks for always watching Kyle!
My JSAR RAPTOR 25CAL TJ slug barrel is deadly accurate 36gr pointed dimple slug NSA out to 150 yards this week end will push her out to 200 yards , I am learning lots of practice .
Thats awesome Phillip. One note on the dimple slugs though, norm and i took them on a hunt bc they were so accurate but they just penciled through birds. We even double tapped some at fifty yards that flew off. When we switched back to hollow points mid hunt birds started exploding. So be careful using the pointeds on game they dont work so well in my experience
@@68Whiskey I use them for head shots Jack rabbit and cyote , foxes , small hogs I live in South Texas open spaces brush country , peigion , collar neck doves pest crows and such I switched to 36gr NSA hollow point
Couldn't agree more. I love long range dispatches, just can't afford it yet. Maybe in my next life, oh yeah, I'll be back and holding an FX somethin... great vid, keep em comin.👍
Thanks will! They are comin!
I agree with you about shot placement a shot in vitals is better than 1 in the jaw. I do a lot of long range shooting in center fire .there is no substitute for having the set up dialed in and practice in actual hunting conditions.
Thanks Russell. I could t agree more
very informative interesting carried the whole way through
Thanks jack!
Hey guys!
About those groundhogs, I have been taking bodyshots on them for quite some time. As new technologies in ammo like the Hades and FX Hybrid become available, do you see the same shift that happened with powder burners going from .40cal back to 9mm? I say this because as much as I love my NSA slugs, I have had a hard time getting expansion and energy dumps from my .357 and .30cal slugs, as they always passthrough. But if I put a .30cal FX Hybrid on a groundhog at 85fpe at 30 yards into the vitals, and it's DRT with no passthrough and full energy dump. Before, I could get that performance from Polymags, but the low BC hurt me at distance.
Hey! Yes absolutely seeing the same thing here. As the projectiles advance it just gets easier and easier to anchor them.
Good vid!! TBH, ethics are a bit subjective... But your bottom line is spot on: Ultimately, if the animal is dead, and it was clean w/o undue suffering, what does it matter if it's at 300 yards? 100% agreed.
Thank you!
Interesting! Another excellent video guys!! 👍
Thanks man!
Congratulations Guys 👍👍 with best Wishes from Switzerland
Thanks Urs!
i am your big fans
thanks so much roof sniper we appreciate you brother
Thanks man!
What are your thoughts on the Athlon Midas tac 6-24x50 for dialing
Anthony Defillippis its a rock solid dialer man. The midas has long eye relief for the crown, so it is waiting for my impact to show up from utah air, where i can get a little more space between the scope and my eye. It doesnt fit a bullpup well but otherwise is a great scope
An excellent video once again, thanks guys!! :-)
Thanks so much!
Yeah, see people don’t get that. Ballistics and physics are HUGE for ANY hunting situation. I hit a deer a few years back at roughly 50 yrds. I had put my .270 up, in its case, and was headed home. Set my SU16 (556) with a dot sign in my dash and headed out. Figured I’d see a coyote, maybe a pig. Saw a group of deer, realized it was a group of 5 small bucks. Pulled over, set my dot on the vitals for a perfect shot, and as I pulled the trigger, he slouched, like they do, just before they bolt, and the sear broke and I hit him in the spine. That’s a really shitty shot for someone who doesn’t know there’s a huge vessel running in that area. He dropped instantly. Barely flinched. I walked up in him in less than a minute, poked him with the barrel, and he was done. Started gutting him. Really couldn’t find the entry wound where I’d aimed, no exit. It wasn’t till I punctured the diaphragm that an ocean of blood came out. Skinned him and found the entry just at and below the spinal cord a few inches from where I’d aimed. That’s knowing and trusting that your rifle will do it’s job, after putting hundreds of rounds through it. Same goes for cavity shots on pretty much anything with a high velocity round. Yeah. That’s a .22 or .25 or .30 cal round, but besides the size of the slug, it’s expansion as it hits, you have this wave of energy that’s probably, at least, twice the diameter of the bullet from the air that the bullet is pushing, not to mention it heating that air, causing more expansion. When that thing hits it does sooooo much more damage, that why I love to see gelatin and water tests. It’s pretty educating for those that don’t shoot just what that little piece of lead is capable of doing, even out of an air rifle. Then here in this state, we have to shoot lead free, which for most means paying $50 for Barnes bullets. Had a game warden, surprisingly must not have been a shooter, start lecturing another hunter in using a .223 on hogs. This is the deal, especially up close, anything bigger than my .243, with no lead bullets, does not expand...hardly at all. I’ve seen my .270, or another friends .308 punch right through a hog at 75 yrds. With Sierra Boat Tails or just a standard soft point, they would have rolled that hog. That .223 or .243 at that range, which is typical of hog hunting, at least around here, stops them dead in their tracks. Full expansion on those rounds, and it’s evidenced in the results.
exactly know thy rifle!
A very complex process. I couldn’t imagine how snipers and long range shooters do it, other then going through tens of thousands of rounds to learn and work out the process........
we spend smooch time and money with all the practicing and learning
Yeah man, dedication is all it is. And a wallet!
This is a expensive Hobby !
It sure is Jim!
Dope bruh! guess I just wanted to say thanks for your help and I’ll send 1000 more pellets down range and then I’ll be ready to go the distance , and I will ✅
chris bajema boom, you got it mano!
Great video you guys and you are right shot placement is the key and knowing your gun's capabilities. I have to wait for awhile before I can get my new FX Crown because we found out 2 weeks before Christmas that my wife has cancer.
Im really sorry to hear that Donald! We will be keeping her in our thoughts for sure. My mom had cancer while i was deployed and she beat it! Still cancer free today. Stay positive brother!
@@68Whiskey My mom had cancer too but she lost her battle, I'll keep positive Brother thank you
Thank you for the video. I totally agree with the head vs body shot . Seen some headshots gone bad and that’s no good . Any app recommendations?
I use shooter. Its a good app but takes tweaking like they all do :)
Please stay on your soap box, it is very much appreciated.
other than that, like Lone Wolf typed below, "many times".
Thanks Henry!
Mahalo Braddah for sharing ur knowledge it really helps guys like me 🤙
Thanks brother
You guys tell it how it is. Love the honesty. Keep up the good work.
Thanks John!!!
great tips and information as usual, thanks for uploading.
Thanks man! Enjoy yours as well!
@@68Whiskey fantastic. thank you. I am watching your impact videos and applying your tips and instruction so I can tune my Impact MK2 to run the 23 gr NSA slugs.
Air Rifle Pestings oh cool man, if you ever get stuck hit me up via email or instagram and we can exchange numbers and ill talk you through it :)
@@68Whiskey fantastic, thanks Keith for the offer. I will keep that in mind and email is probably best as I am up North in Canada eh? lol
Air Rifle Pestings oh yah? Ya dont say.....where aboots are ya, near Letterkenny? Lmao. Sounds good man
You guy really work hard and your videos show, awesome. Tom L I NY
I use strelok, do you think the pro version is worth it?
I cant really say as i only used strelok once or twice. Im just too used to shooter. But i know airgunner bob o uses it and loves it
@@68Whiskey thanks a lot for your input. Keep up with putting out these good videos.
Enjoyed your tips and they seemed to make sense. Experience is the equalizer and practice makes perfect. Awesome thanks. Jn 3:16
Thanks Ken!
gr8 info mate.. thanks for sharing
Nailed Pictures by Manraj thanks man!
Great shots with lots of power. Great points. Long range is an art form that practice and persistence pays off. Hey what do you guys think of the Airforce Condor SS. 25?? I've had mine for about a year and seems like it's a sledgehammer and pretty dang accurate.
Thank you very much! I have the talon ss and its a decent gun. The condor i have shot in 257 and it seems like a better gun to me. I like that its simple. It just needs, in my opinion, a real stock
@@68Whiskey true. I have looked at mad dog stocks. Pretty sharp but a bit expensive. Thinking of doing a barrel swap from 18" to 24" and putting a silencer on it. BIG power jump.
@@shawndubay4050 i think thats a great move. Airforce is all about power when it come to attracting me. I got the texan. Hoping to get it where I want it soon
@@68Whiskey thank you. little fine tuning and your texan will be dialed in to profection. That beast is already very powerful out of the box.
@@shawndubay4050 im workin on it. It just takes so much air each time i play with it. Lol. Compressor on the way so then ill get really serious!
Very good master
Thanks 😁
Another great video!
thanks Trevor!
Very good info
Great vid, great info.
Thanks PMA!
Great informative video. Question. Are you able to quantify what size pellets/slugs can disrupt the organ cavity? I understand it must first be a humane kill but how do you know what is the smallest calibre able to disrupt the organs? - I wouldnt use a .177 into the belly of a small pig, yet the .177 would incapacitate it with a correctly placed headshot. (Delete the comment if its inappropriate.) Really helpful and interesting regarding holding over for wind from right and left - Thank you.
Not inappropriate at all. If we are talking vitals shots based off my experiences i break it down like this with slugs. 22 can basically do anything up to coyotes as long as the speed is still enough to expand the slug (150 yards or so) . But i prefer 25 and thirty cal because even if they dont expand we are still talking about a quarter inch minimum hole, and that is more than enough to collapse the diaphram/ chest cavity. Unless woodchucks figure out how to apply a venting bandage to a sucking chest wound, its gonna do its job and do it quickly
@@68Whiskey Appreciate your swift reply. Thank you
If you can do a video on the sideshot GoPro set up that would also help out a lot
Hey Michael, we use a home grown tweaked version that was passed to us by another youtuber. Its far from standard or easy and he asked that we not share it.
@@68Whiskey just having trouble getting the gopro focused correctly.
Michael Gilbert ah. Play with the diopter on the eyepiece until it focuses crisply when reviewing on your computer. You are looking to have a crisp crosshair at fifty yards with the parallax set at 50. Or infinity on a blank sky. Rotate it back and forth and test. You will find it. Sometimes our eyes dont see what the camera will see. As in to you it may appear a touch out of focus. But if thats what the camera likes thats how it should be shot if you are doing videos
Question.. i use sports match adjustable ring. how do i enter scope height on a ballistic calculator when the front and rear are different?
I always go from the objective. And if it doesnt work i tweek it. Like i was saying man mostly these apps take a lot of work to make them work in real life
@@68Whiskey gotcha. i thought maybe that was why mine was never right. i'll try to tweek it and see if that works.. thanks bud.
I only spent 41on a pinty scope and it works just fine 1000 is way to much
Glad you are happy with your choice. It wouldn’t fit my needs however
Man I've only seen one wood chuck in my entire life here in Kansas. There's another reason to never come here....
Hahahahahah
If you guys would like to try something a little different in your .22s in side the barns and building where over penetration can be an issue. Check out my crude iPhone video on Daisy Hollow Points with silicone. Hydraulic expansion shock energy transfer on contact. RUclips channel is beyond basic and just posting things that might be helpful for other air gunners and their situations. Hope it helps.
I watched the entire video. Great info. Subbed!
What app do you guys use for calculations?
it's called "shooter" works well, as long as you play with it. its dead on for firearms
Thanks for the reply..appreciate it sir.
application you use fo long range tell me.
“Shooter “
Looks like I gotta up my scope game🙄
I got a UTG accushot scope. Can I play with the big boys now?
People will say not to go for a head shot on a deer, then put one in its large intestine lol. And people will say not to go for a lung shot on a squirrel and then put one in its jaw. Botched shots can happen no matter what, shoot what you're capable of.
Yes sir well said!
nice informative video. Sub12 Fx North Wales UK
Thanks bro
Well, there ya go...you need to push your limits to realize improved performance. Airgunning for pests is the perfect venue, for this. Do your "paperwork" and understand tuning and familiarization of your weapon then ethics is not in question. Here's one back at ya guys. ruclips.net/video/zGPyLP0-Z7M/видео.html
Thanks man, exactly! Nice shooting dude!
So basically your saying KA-SPLAT
Hahah. POP!
A 9000$ scope would be great on a fx. a thousand don't sound so bad now. over 12000$ on a air rifle wouldn't be so bad if it hit at a mile. Its a little strange when a real fire arm is cheaper. Hard to wrap my head around the cost of it.👌✌️👍🤔
I know man. It took me awhile myself. What got me there the most might be frequency of use. I use my airguns every day. Powder burners rarely these days
@@68Whiskey you have a good point I don't really use my fire arm's to much any more they make real hard to in California and ammo like forget it out here 65$ to75$ for a brick of 22. When just a couple of years ago it was 19.99$. dam time and prices change. ✌️👍👌 Great video like you didn't hide the coast 👌👍
Joseph Saucedo thanks bro! My sentiments exactly
WooW....
To shoot live quarry at the distance you talk about in any type of wind is totally unethical regardless of how much you try and justify, shamefull
Phil Pinkney I think that’s pretty close minded and you should probably put in the effort to practice and get the right equipment and then maybe you could have some thing valuable to add. I think it’s unethical for your average Deer Hunter to shoot 100 yards. But I am plenty comfortable killing deer out to 800 yards. I get out what I put in and I put in a lot. Your mileage may vary