I recently finished part 1 and at first I did not like the unmercenary bloat, and stopped playing it. I picked it up again 2 years later and I really fell in love with the game and the silly side quests. It's a game that does not take itself too seriously and I love the often wacky humor. I'm looking forward to dive back into that world again.
The worst part of Chadley is that he robs the party of any reason to explore or care about the planets history. Rather than being interested in the planet they want to save, they’re given the task of getting “data” for him. Would’ve been way better if the party wanted to explore, could even give extra lines to the party to flesh them out. Overall just feels like a chore rather than something you want to do. Yeah yeah it’s skippable, doesn’t mean it isn’t still bad. For the story my main gripe is that nothing really happens. We get a bit more character development and introduced to the Weapons but other than that we just kinda run around and eventually Sephiroth will appear. Remake really hooked me in because every story beat flowed into each other and by the time you restart the game for hard mode, you can really see how far you went and how much the characters changed. I also still have no idea what Sephiroth even wants to do besides “destroy the planet”. We also straight up beat him. In Remake it felt like he was sandbagging but this is the second time now and it feels like genuine defeat until he flies off. Zack is my goat but they make it impossible to give a shit about him because there’s like 4 different versions of him. Biggs’ arc of survivors guilt was great until his conclusion was *gets shot*. Should I really care if yet another version of Biggs shows up?
I think Remake benefitted somewhat from the city walls. Not a fan of Remake's story direction, style, or even its Midgar, but it now feels like a much more focused game and tale. With Rebirth, I don't necessarily have a problem with lots of things to do, but the developers seemed to take the 'world map' job to mean burying the OG's sense of wonder and apprehension under noisy towns, phone calls, annoying NPCs, picture-perfect people, and unlimited games. Giving me the sense that I'm a passenger in an endless, busy theme park.
I'd actually say that a lot of this remake's oddities aren't necessarily a Square Enix problem, but a Tetsuya Nomura problem. You know, the guy who made Kingdom Hearts, the convoluted mess of a series no one understands fully. The combat system in those games (which is fun but sure has its problems) was his idea, as was the gummi ship. If the gummi ship segments aren't bloat, then I don't know what they're supposed to be.
I remember one article where tetsuya nomura wrote that he is going to present the ultimate final fantasy experience, he was referring to rebirth...i think this was after the first rebirth trailer or somewhere around that time. The content creator is 100% correct tetsuya is all about looking cool without logic to a story. Look at kh, advent children, ff versus 13, ff15...its all about spectacle to him...do not think just go ooooh....ahhhhh.. about graphics and particles
@@wildinstinct1585 @wildinstinct1585 Except big oops, nearly the entirety of the compilation for the official FF7 storyline and ultimania are done by Nojima and Nomura merely designed the characters, he have no say on what goes on with the story here.
@@Biglongmchuge-ff9cothat's simply not true. If you read Remake's Ultimania you would see that Nomura and Kitase were those who decided to make this project with Hashimoto Shinji. So they are the decision makers here. Also in Ultimania, Nojima said he had to modify the script so it can be approved by Nomura. Nomura did have a say in the story direction.
@@katlann-dn3ss But Nomura have little say in how the story develops because this is not written by him - all I am saying, and people using Kingdoms Heart to describe the game, I mean Kingdom Hearts tries to bring characters from all different entertainment franchises like Disney and all that together, so of course the plot is going to be pretty silly.
Nah all the side content is awesome and well done. The game is a lot of fun, especially if you like open worlds. I don't think the main story experience is bloated either, but that really just comes down to if you like where the story is going or not, though I'd argue it's too early to really tell since we haven't seen the pay off. It seems you don't mind that it was expanded either you just don't like how some parts were told, like the Loveless play. The problem isn't that it was expanded upon it's just that it was nonsensical, it's one of the few moments in the game where the writing was really bad, but the idea to expand that section is not a bad one so I wouldn't call it "bloat".
I get where you're coming from but nah.. for me there's just too many forced uneccessary fights, characters and gameplay events that ultimately serve no purpose of actually telling the story properly... and there's a lot of people that feel that way too. You honestly can't tell me you love the multiverse idea and you see the potential cuz with what we got i have to say it was incredibly draining. Maybe you like the premise of the idea but you can't tell me they executed it well. Not in Rebirth at least. It'll be especially hard to feel real emotion or care for the expanding story and incredibly large cast of characters when you yourself are questioning whether the events happening around you is even real, fake, or worth it in the first place.
@@fbomb.0163 Everybody has different standards and things they look for in a story. A lot of those so-called "unnecessary" gameplay events serve to expand on our view of the world, people who inhabit it, their culture, their lifestyle, and main characters to boot. If you didn't connect with any of that -- it's fine, you're entitled to your tastes and opinions. However, much like a lot of people felt the way you did -- even more so felt the opposite. There is a plethora of positive reviews online by those who enjoyed the experience (me being one of them). So it's wrong to assume other people couldn't connect with the story if you yourself couldn't.
@@fbomb.0163 Except it is not a multiverse idea in the sense that you are thinking about. It has more similarities to Death Stranding than anything, whereby the world of the purgatory or the lifestream is exerting it's influence on the world of the living very much like how materia works. It was hinted at plenty of times where materia contain the memory of the lifestream, and the world with a rift in the sky in which Aerith and Zack inhibits are not multiverses but memories within the lifestream, if you understood the extended universe material, everything makes sense, if not you will assume it's multiple timelines or universes as most people had. Go with the story with an open mind because the third part if done right is setting up to be one hell of a conclusion given that it will have to be choke full of main content to tie all the threads they have thrown out to conclusion and guess what? They are well deep into development of the third game, and it probably will be out by 2026, that should give you confidence the Dev team have actually thought it through and the game is made with love, not a money grab.
There isn’t going to be a “payoff” in terms of story. It jumped the track already. Fans weren’t interested in a KH nonsense version of FF7 and the poor sales reflect that.
To make it short, yes it is really as good as all critics and fans say. Some players are just complaining and nitpicking, they don't have to do a single side content to experience the game
It is good but far, far from great. Whole open world sucks, leveling has no purpose, materia is pushed so much that it has no real meaning and worst some story element had no real weight they missed do many opportunieties to hit hard...
@ no it is a masterpiece, the open world areas not only look stunning but are also unique in their structure and appearance, plus the great side quests are very well linked to them, the only weak point is that it is not as explorer friendly as Elden Ring or Botw levels are definitely not pointless omg have you even played the game? levels not only increase the attributes but also give you weapon points which are added to the manuscripts you find which in turn increases the weapon level which in turn increases the weapon skill slots, materia slots and weapon attributes, plus they unlock further offensive, defensive or supporting weapon skills, have you really played FF7 Rebirth? and what does it mean that materia has no meaning? are you serious? Materia are literally the central element in the design of your characters and offer tons of connection and combination possibilities, each materia is unique and has its use the only truly useless materia is the stealing materia story is excellent despite the fact that Rebirth is the middle part of a trilogy, it makes up for the relatively slow pacing with its outstanding characters and the numerous storylines it lays down for the third part so it's not a big deal, oh did I mention the characters? Rebirth has outstanding characters and characters are story!
@@mayrokspsn9068 open world look is 50/50 sometimes great sometimes PS2 era. Moving around maps is also difficult, amount of stuff that block your character or Chocobo is annoying beyond believe. Materia is pushed to background due to amount of other options, weapon skills, synergy skills and abbillities etc. Leveling has no real meaning, no need to grind when you struggle with boss (normal difficulty is a joke) and no places to grind, side quests give you cery little exp, you level by just completing main quests. Max level? Rush story play 2 chapters on hard and you max level, no effort, no real benefits.
@ Play dynamic or hard mode without materia and prove it to me, you take the normal mode as the standard (even here your statement makes no sense), right, levels practically happen by themselves, that's not a big deal, Rebirth is not a grind game but if you want the best materia at maximum you still have to grind for hours and there are spots on yt for that (what kind of criticism is that lol), you just want to find mistakes that's all
@@mayrokspsn9068 I have all my materia max level by just beating game and doing side activities after, never paid attention to materia I had just had them equipped to level them up. Only materia I used was healing one. Having different difficulty levels in a "RPG" game and locking Hard(which makes this game as it should be in a first place )behind beating on normal is another joke. No wonder SE "RPGs" are selling so poorly lately.
It's a good game, took me 120 hours, but i didnt rush it and enjoyed it. Better than ff16 by a billion miles. Not my GOTY (stellar blade was just too good), but def top 3.
I think FFXVI does a lot better than FFVII Rebirth, the combat system isn't as hectic and overwhelming, the side quests aren't all connected to mini-games that you have to win, there are no Ubisoft towers that you have to activate and the game doesn't drag as much Length. If you compare the battle system of FFVII Rebirth with FFXVI, then FFVII Rebirth is pure button smashing, as you have to fill the bar quickly to be able to use spells or items, which is not the case with FFXVI. FFXVI is also button smashing, but there is no need to quickly hit the buttons to heal or use abilities. I found FFVII Remake better than FFVII Rebirth, with FFVII Rebirth you felt like Square Enix had to artificially lengthen the game.
@@beeforbacon No, for you maybe because you celebrate FFVII Rebirth because it is "FFVII", but the problems are criticized by many, FFVII Rebirth is not perfect and has many problems that are not good for the game. The problem with FFVII Rebirth and FFXVI is that FFVII Rebirth is not criticized because of the fan glasses and everything is said well, but if these Ubisoft towers had already existed in FFXVI, everyone would have complained that these towers have nothing to do with Final Fantasy , but since it's "FFVII" they'll just pretend it's okay. The game was stretched out because Square Enix has to split the remake into 3 parts, so there are a lot of typical Ubisoft elements in it with "explore" and uncovering, the battle system is simply the most hectic battle system in all of Final Fantasy, something like that you can't deny it.
@@beeforbacon Why do you think FFXVI is so bad? Do you also have reasons for this? FFXVI also has its problems, but it is called "bad" for no reason, even though FFXVI does a lot of things really well and sometimes better than the FF parts after FFX.
This was actually a great game. I like this better than the remake and FF16. But I think Final Fantasy has become more niche now. If you never played an FF game let alone Final Fantasy 7 original, this great game can become mediocre. Some references you wont get and the convoluted story can make anyone pulled their hair out. Heck even FF fans think the story is very confusing. Its a shame because rebirth was a really good game but the sales doesnt reflect it.
I was a teenager when FF7 came out and I never really liked it that much. Some cool characters, but that's about it. The plot was incomplete in the original game and they had to explain a lot of it outside of the game and in movies and side games - frustrating.
I find it funny that people are still pinning the blame of every fault of the retrilogy on nomura considering literally isn’t even directing or working on this game nor part lol it’s naoki hamaguchi, nomura was likely pulled away to work on kh4
hated the ending in this game, hopefully part 3 pulls it together, but we have vincent's story, cids story, the weapons and such all to get crammed into the last game which is supposed to tie in with advent children, not to mention the new things they added in along the way
Ff7 Rebirth was incredible. I did all the side content because I was compelled by the story that came with it. If you aren't, then skip it and just play the main story.
I started skipping the side content when the old lady asked me to round up her lost chickens with an old petrol can on a bit of string. I didn't find that particularly compelling. I'm glad you enjoyed the game though and thanks for watching!
I got burned out with this game, but that's because I grinded too hard. Games like this, you're better off completing gradually over a few months. If it were a game you could platinum in 50 hours like Elden Ring I would have grinded away.
@shawnzinator I know. It's just me! I'm a grindy gamer, but trying to regulate it. This makes a good side game you play aside another game you do grind. If you get burned out on a game that is grindy, this game is good to play to take a break, but I have to train myself to tone down the grinding.
I went into this game with an open mind, knowing the changes that were made, but ultimately, I hate this game, story blows, combat is ok-ish, looks funny how cloud dashes around like a flopping fish, not all that believable, and it's most atrocious change was making it 3 parts, every decision made by developers were extremely odd, I walked away from this title, I'll watch the ending of part 3 of some youtuber and leave it there. Oh, and chadly was just awful 😖
Nailed it. Way too much needless content for content's sake-side quests and story complications alike. Detracts from the impact of the narrative, and enjoyment of the game overall. Hate to see this.
It's funny because while I largely have mostly positive things to say about Rebirth and can wax poetic on some of the directions they can take in Part 3, I largely felt the same as you in the middle of my first playthrough and immediately after beating it. I said it was like "maximalism on crack" and that this was the "Everything" game in that it had everything that could possibly be added to a game AND every narrative thread possible added as well. And I'm so glad you used the word "non-committal," since that's how I felt about the ending on first playthrough. It was like they opened every narrative door JUST in case they might need it in the future. I have other thoughts on that now, but won't bore you. It's too much. All that said, I was clapping at your breakdown of how Loveless worked. I do think there are more narrative reasons for it than you outline BUT I was also so thrown by the VR mechanics. They genuinely don't make any sense, even watching it multiple times, and I do like that version of just having all of it be a reflection of Cloud's wild imagination. Oh and funny thing about Chadley. I wondered at one point if they were using Chadley to help dimensionalize why Cloud would believe he were simply "created" by Hojo... the lie told to him by Sephiroth in the OG, which always felt a BIT outlandish and unbelievable. Hence, leading to Cloud thinking, "OMG so I'm just like that little shit that's been stalking me for 3 games. I'm not real." But they have already very effectively done the job of getting Cloud to believe he is doomed and just a puppet like the other robed men, especially with doubling down on degradation (the one Compilation addition to the lore that I quite like... even if it looks goofy in Crisis Core). Again, another potential example of stacking too many elements on top of each other.
Thank you very much! Great points, I really liked the robed guys too i wish they'd spent more time on them. As well as Jenova and Sephiroth. They're really what it's all about. I think Finall Fantasy is a cosmic horror game at it's core but that stuff is too subdued what with everything else that's going on. There's just too much to talk about with this game! It's hard to get it into one video. You're smashing it on your channel though!
@@prestonocron Thanks! I have a long video in the works that **mostly** sings the praises of the game (there is a section where I dunk on the ending before unpacking why it might actually work, but I wanted to represent my emotions toward it fully), but you gave voice to some real frustrations I had on my first playthrough. And I think that's perfectly fine. I also mention this at the start of the video, but I think it's totally okay to love a game even if it isn't perfect or you have real issues with it. This is true of all kinds of entertainment. There is this weird thing on the internet especially where you either have to love something 100% or hate something 100% and I find it so weird and kinda lame. Even in your video, you expressed a lot of things that frustrated you, but you also loved a lot of the experience. That's how we should be enjoying our stuff, otherwise we're just either joyless critics or blind diehard fans.
@@SubTXT_ Absolutely! Really, i think a lot of my frustrations stem from my love of the franchise. I've been playing my own version of a Final Fantasy 7 remake in my head for over 20 years now. I just really wanted it to be as good as the game i had always imagined. And it is in a lot of ways. So fingers crossed it sticks the landing in part 3. Anyway, good luck with your video, I look forward to it. I hope after watching it I'm convinced to go for the platinum.
I just think they should never have done a trilogy, there is so much boring content in both of these games. One, admittedly, large but complete remake would have been great, then focus the team on new final fantasies or remake FF IX next.
As a fan, it's a 10 out of 10 as a critique it's a 10 out of 10. Hate it if you want, but it's a game for gamers that did the one thing Yakuza games do allow the gamer to game. World interactment is at its finest. You don't have to do it all but it's there if you want to.
A 25-30 hour game has been turned into a trilogy of 50-80 hour games. That's just insane. I pretty much refuse to give this remake trilogy another chance after playing a bit of the first one. They just absolutely shit on the story of the original and I'd consider these games the ultimate in creative bankruptcy. Just to know for sure, I watched a video that spoiled the Aerith thing in the second episode. After seeing how that was handled, I'm 100% convinced that there's nothing here for me. I also frequently hate the art direction of, perhaps especially, Rebirth. I swear I'm usually not so negative about games. I'm not even a huge fan of the original FFVII, but there's just something here that I find kind of gross. A tight, atmospheric piece of art with a lot of personality has been turned into a total clown shoes smorgasboard of garishness, excess and idiocy. I hate it >:(
@@JulienMoutin Last time I played it, I completed it in just under 30. And that was including exploring, getting stuck a few times and doing one of the optional Weapon fights. I didn't grind the chocobo minigame and I'm sure I missed some other things, as I didn't use a walkthrough. I did play Vincent and Yuffie's stories. I'm not sure how to get it to 50, except by 100%-ing it with a guide.
so you played remake for a little bit and watched one cutscene from rebirth and decided the game isn't worth your time? alright then. but i'd be interested to hear you elaborate about the art direction. what's wrong with it? personally i have no complaints.
@@TTHHJJ123 I played several hours of the first one, I'm pretty sure. And yeah, it's extremely doubtful that I'd like any of this if I spent more time on it. I can't explain the art direction thing to you. All I can say is "just look at it". If you don't find it garish and lacking in charm, then we just disagree.
@@micshazam842 i don't find it garish at all because the game has photorealistic graphics. what's exactly garish about it? the only place i would label as garish is the golden saucer but that place is a theme park so it is to be expected. if the art direction lacks charm it's because the game isn't garish enough in some of the open world areas.
Dude you’re not kidding. I hated that card game so much. Every FF game had that one card or mini game like Blitzball that I absolutely despised. Otherwise the game is fantastic
Thanks, confirms my decision to avoid it. I love the PS1 original, played through multiple times. Was excited for the remake, but they took a 6 hour section of the original game, and turned it into a bloated mess that took me 30 hours. Most of that time I was forcing myself to play, just wishing it would end. Sound like rebirth is the same. Guessing part three will be FFVII Remorse.
I actually prefer Remake over Rebirth because it’s more straightforward. After they leave Midgar it gets a bit baggy. Not sure I’ve got the stamina for the third one.
@@prestonocronyou’re almost there. If you’re asking yourself why are you doing something then just maybe don’t do it. This game can be completed in 40 hours. It’s on the player to tailor there experience.
Personally, I think the experience should be largely tailored by the developer. Most of the mini games you’re typically forced to play once and only then is it up to you whether or not you want to play more. On a first play through how are you supposed to know what content to try and what to skip? Anyway, glad you enjoyed the game Thanks for watching !
I agree with this video. This is coming from a player who has platinumed and 100% the entire game. I'm also a massive fan of the franchise. First off, let me just start off with the things I absolutely love about this game: the combat, MOST of the characters, the cinematography and overall flow of the game. All of that is brilliant imo but God I cannot be the only one that thinks the story and some of the events that take place is just way too dragged out lol. Like I get that it's a JRPG and it's supposed to feel like this super long never ending journey but my goodness it is completely soul draining. I mean think about it actually.... the whole point of the game is to find sephiroth and stop him from ending the world right??? Well... in my opinion you wouldn't actually know that with how the events that play out in the main story. A lot of the stuff that goes down in the story will give you that "wtf is happening" type reaction which just kills the soul purpose of actually trying to find and kill this sephiroth guy. Like think about it truly... Loads of the segments that happen in this game play absolutely ZERO part in the game's plot, and the game doubles down on this by using the black cloaked guys as an excuse as to why we're just gallavanting all over the damn place lmao. The game doesn't even tell you how or why these guys are leading us to sephiroth, or how they even get to parts of the world that we seemingly have to travel by godamn planes and stuff? Let me not even get started on how some of the characters were done in this game... Remember Vincent? The frickin dracula guy? Yeah, he does absolutely nothing the whole time we get introduced to him. RedXIII visiting his hometown? We learn a bit about the black materia and the Gi I guess... but then that whole event just gets left behind in tbe dust like it's absolutely nothing. Making our way to Gongaga just to get swallowed by a big fish?... going to costa del sol to...do what exactly? Fight Hojo for no reason? The only actual parts of the story that I can see served some purpose is maybe Barret's segment where we learn about his past and The party going to nibel. Everything else that happens is kind of just pointless, which square done on purpose because they want the story to be as long as possible whilst catering to a large cast of characters. The problem with that is we as the player get a lot of uneccassary gameplay strolls like fighting the turks over and over again with no real reward (though it was kinda fun towards the end I guess because it actually felt lile you whooped their as*es that time), fighting scarlet for no reason (she just flies away in the end), fighting Pamer, Hojo, all of these fights happen for no reason and we don't even get any sense of satisfaction for beating them, becaude they just run away. It can get frustrating. Now imagine when we finally get to the end of the game, we fight this selestial galactical version of sephiroth like 10 times whilst changing party members inbetween, giving you no choice at all- just for sephiroth to smile at you while he flies away and you just stand there like this 👁👄👁 trying to figure out wtf you just wasted your time on. I haven't even touched on the side content in this game... like jeez there's just way too much going on here
The Black Robe guys are pretty much part of Jenova and heading towards the reunion, Sephiroth hinted at this at the temple of the ancient where he said "his fragmented mother" and the whole world will be made whole again. Those are obviously plot setups that will be answered in the third game, without giving you any theory spoilers. Those black robe guys do not need to travel by plane either, they are everywhere, and not all of them will successfully make the journey, but all of em are head towards one place, so you are not seeing the same robed guys but what matters is the party is following those robe guys to their destination. What is so confusing about that? On Vincent, he have his own fricking game, so obviously his story will be fleshed out in the third chapter. On Red XIII and Cosmo Canyon, oh boy, just you wait for the third chapter along with Buganhagen, it will be one of the most pivotal plot point of the game that is coming up, and from what I imagine they will do with Aerith with this part it is going to be a big tear jerker. As for the Gongaga, well those big fish will play a significant role in the third game, and Tifa experiences through the lifestream *hint not her memories but of someone elese's memory will play a pivotal part in the third game, also hint at the end of the game, those giant materia within those big fishes glowed pure white at the ending, stay tune these are all deliberately set up for the third game and will get answers. Costa Del Sol was more like a fun location to get to know your party better, a well needed break, and was like a vacation spot as in the OG game, I don't mind it, but I will give you that. Ironically Barret story while sweet serves the least importance to the Overaching story of the entire game, though it was really sweet and you get to learn about Marlene, and realy touching, it have really little significance to the overal plot of the game, so funny you point out the least significant segment as the one that you love the most. Oh the end we had several battles going on, one in the physical space, and one within Cloud's head, because as you know Cloud has fragmented memories, one of them which is clearly seen with him in the wheelchair in Aerith's dream! How those come together are just theoretical but everything will be explained in the third game. Pretty much all the gripes you have about the plot holes will be resolved in the third game.
@@Biglongmchuge-ff9co I'm glad you actually explained everything that this game confused me about😭🙏 I just feel that with a lot of stuff in this game it can get easy to lose track of what actually matters cuz there's just an abundance of different things going on. And the bad writing in some story parts doesn't help either. A lot of what you mentioned you said will be explained in the third game, which is fair enough I guess. I just can't help but feel as if square aren't even going to pull that off properly when I'm going off of how they done this game. I know there'll definitely be great story segments in the third game, but with how much stuff they gotta cover now idk to me it sounds like too much maybe with the whole split worlds, memory fragments and all of that... I could be wrong we'll just have to wait and see when the game comes out. I really hope you're right and they do answer all the questions raised
@@fbomb.0163 This Dev team have proven what they can do in Rebirth, this give me confidence they will pull it off, provided that no budget are cut for the third game.
No, the game is very good, but in my opinion it is presented better than it is because of the FFVII fan glasses, so the problems that FF7 Rebirth has are often ignored. If these Ubisoft towers had already existed in FFXVI then fans would have torn it apart and claimed "This has nothing to do with FF" but since it's FFVII it's weirdly fine xD
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I recently finished part 1 and at first I did not like the unmercenary bloat, and stopped playing it. I picked it up again 2 years later and I really fell in love with the game and the silly side quests. It's a game that does not take itself too seriously and I love the often wacky humor. I'm looking forward to dive back into that world again.
The worst part of Chadley is that he robs the party of any reason to explore or care about the planets history. Rather than being interested in the planet they want to save, they’re given the task of getting “data” for him. Would’ve been way better if the party wanted to explore, could even give extra lines to the party to flesh them out. Overall just feels like a chore rather than something you want to do. Yeah yeah it’s skippable, doesn’t mean it isn’t still bad.
For the story my main gripe is that nothing really happens. We get a bit more character development and introduced to the Weapons but other than that we just kinda run around and eventually Sephiroth will appear. Remake really hooked me in because every story beat flowed into each other and by the time you restart the game for hard mode, you can really see how far you went and how much the characters changed. I also still have no idea what Sephiroth even wants to do besides “destroy the planet”. We also straight up beat him. In Remake it felt like he was sandbagging but this is the second time now and it feels like genuine defeat until he flies off.
Zack is my goat but they make it impossible to give a shit about him because there’s like 4 different versions of him. Biggs’ arc of survivors guilt was great until his conclusion was *gets shot*. Should I really care if yet another version of Biggs shows up?
Agreed!
this is their only chance to revisit FF7 for entire life so they made sure nothing left off
Best review to summarize Remake, Rebirth and part 3 : will new games have same impact on players as OG 7 had? Leaving answer open.
Rebirth is fantastic.
I think Remake benefitted somewhat from the city walls. Not a fan of Remake's story direction, style, or even its Midgar, but it now feels like a much more focused game and tale. With Rebirth, I don't necessarily have a problem with lots of things to do, but the developers seemed to take the 'world map' job to mean burying the OG's sense of wonder and apprehension under noisy towns, phone calls, annoying NPCs, picture-perfect people, and unlimited games. Giving me the sense that I'm a passenger in an endless, busy theme park.
Agreed.
I'd love to see a return to 3-player parties of the ps1 game where the dialogue changes depending on who you bring but expanded
I'd actually say that a lot of this remake's oddities aren't necessarily a Square Enix problem, but a Tetsuya Nomura problem. You know, the guy who made Kingdom Hearts, the convoluted mess of a series no one understands fully. The combat system in those games (which is fun but sure has its problems) was his idea, as was the gummi ship. If the gummi ship segments aren't bloat, then I don't know what they're supposed to be.
I remember one article where tetsuya nomura wrote that he is going to present the ultimate final fantasy experience, he was referring to rebirth...i think this was after the first rebirth trailer or somewhere around that time. The content creator is 100% correct tetsuya is all about looking cool without logic to a story. Look at kh, advent children, ff versus 13, ff15...its all about spectacle to him...do not think just go ooooh....ahhhhh.. about graphics and particles
@@wildinstinct1585 @wildinstinct1585 Except big oops, nearly the entirety of the compilation for the official FF7 storyline and ultimania are done by Nojima and Nomura merely designed the characters, he have no say on what goes on with the story here.
@@Biglongmchuge-ff9cothat's simply not true. If you read Remake's Ultimania you would see that Nomura and Kitase were those who decided to make this project with Hashimoto Shinji. So they are the decision makers here. Also in Ultimania, Nojima said he had to modify the script so it can be approved by Nomura. Nomura did have a say in the story direction.
@@katlann-dn3ss But Nomura have little say in how the story develops because this is not written by him - all I am saying, and people using Kingdoms Heart to describe the game, I mean Kingdom Hearts tries to bring characters from all different entertainment franchises like Disney and all that together, so of course the plot is going to be pretty silly.
I think the Rufus fight is funny
Yeah totally a Yakuza game moment
Thank you, this is exactly what needed to be said about this game, and i couldn't have found more eloquent words than you did.
Thanks very much!
Nah all the side content is awesome and well done. The game is a lot of fun, especially if you like open worlds. I don't think the main story experience is bloated either, but that really just comes down to if you like where the story is going or not, though I'd argue it's too early to really tell since we haven't seen the pay off. It seems you don't mind that it was expanded either you just don't like how some parts were told, like the Loveless play. The problem isn't that it was expanded upon it's just that it was nonsensical, it's one of the few moments in the game where the writing was really bad, but the idea to expand that section is not a bad one so I wouldn't call it "bloat".
I get where you're coming from but nah.. for me there's just too many forced uneccessary fights, characters and gameplay events that ultimately serve no purpose of actually telling the story properly... and there's a lot of people that feel that way too. You honestly can't tell me you love the multiverse idea and you see the potential cuz with what we got i have to say it was incredibly draining. Maybe you like the premise of the idea but you can't tell me they executed it well. Not in Rebirth at least. It'll be especially hard to feel real emotion or care for the expanding story and incredibly large cast of characters when you yourself are questioning whether the events happening around you is even real, fake, or worth it in the first place.
@@fbomb.0163 Everybody has different standards and things they look for in a story. A lot of those so-called "unnecessary" gameplay events serve to expand on our view of the world, people who inhabit it, their culture, their lifestyle, and main characters to boot. If you didn't connect with any of that -- it's fine, you're entitled to your tastes and opinions. However, much like a lot of people felt the way you did -- even more so felt the opposite. There is a plethora of positive reviews online by those who enjoyed the experience (me being one of them). So it's wrong to assume other people couldn't connect with the story if you yourself couldn't.
@@fbomb.0163 Except it is not a multiverse idea in the sense that you are thinking about. It has more similarities to Death Stranding than anything, whereby the world of the purgatory or the lifestream is exerting it's influence on the world of the living very much like how materia works. It was hinted at plenty of times where materia contain the memory of the lifestream, and the world with a rift in the sky in which Aerith and Zack inhibits are not multiverses but memories within the lifestream, if you understood the extended universe material, everything makes sense, if not you will assume it's multiple timelines or universes as most people had. Go with the story with an open mind because the third part if done right is setting up to be one hell of a conclusion given that it will have to be choke full of main content to tie all the threads they have thrown out to conclusion and guess what? They are well deep into development of the third game, and it probably will be out by 2026, that should give you confidence the Dev team have actually thought it through and the game is made with love, not a money grab.
There isn’t going to be a “payoff” in terms of story. It jumped the track already.
Fans weren’t interested in a KH nonsense version of FF7 and the poor sales reflect that.
@@KieranHamilton-y7s But it is all setting up for a huge payoff in the third game, so what is this non payoff you are talking about?
To make it short, yes it is really as good as all critics and fans say. Some players are just complaining and nitpicking, they don't have to do a single side content to experience the game
It is good but far, far from great. Whole open world sucks, leveling has no purpose, materia is pushed so much that it has no real meaning and worst some story element had no real weight they missed do many opportunieties to hit hard...
@ no it is a masterpiece, the open world areas not only look stunning but are also unique in their structure and appearance, plus the great side quests are very well linked to them, the only weak point is that it is not as explorer friendly as Elden Ring or Botw
levels are definitely not pointless omg have you even played the game? levels not only increase the attributes but also give you weapon points which are added to the manuscripts you find which in turn increases the weapon level which in turn increases the weapon skill slots, materia slots and weapon attributes, plus they unlock further offensive, defensive or supporting weapon skills, have you really played FF7 Rebirth?
and what does it mean that materia has no meaning? are you serious? Materia are literally the central element in the design of your characters and offer tons of connection and combination possibilities, each materia is unique and has its use the only truly useless materia is the stealing materia
story is excellent despite the fact that Rebirth is the middle part of a trilogy, it makes up for the relatively slow pacing with its outstanding characters and the numerous storylines it lays down for the third part so it's not a big deal, oh did I mention the characters? Rebirth has outstanding characters and characters are story!
@@mayrokspsn9068 open world look is 50/50 sometimes great sometimes PS2 era. Moving around maps is also difficult, amount of stuff that block your character or Chocobo is annoying beyond believe. Materia is pushed to background due to amount of other options, weapon skills, synergy skills and abbillities etc. Leveling has no real meaning, no need to grind when you struggle with boss (normal difficulty is a joke) and no places to grind, side quests give you cery little exp, you level by just completing main quests. Max level? Rush story play 2 chapters on hard and you max level, no effort, no real benefits.
@ Play dynamic or hard mode without materia and prove it to me, you take the normal mode as the standard (even here your statement makes no sense), right, levels practically happen by themselves, that's not a big deal, Rebirth is not a grind game but if you want the best materia at maximum you still have to grind for hours and there are spots on yt for that (what kind of criticism is that lol), you just want to find mistakes that's all
@@mayrokspsn9068 I have all my materia max level by just beating game and doing side activities after, never paid attention to materia I had just had them equipped to level them up. Only materia I used was healing one. Having different difficulty levels in a "RPG" game and locking Hard(which makes this game as it should be in a first place )behind beating on normal is another joke. No wonder SE "RPGs" are selling so poorly lately.
It's a good game, took me 120 hours, but i didnt rush it and enjoyed it. Better than ff16 by a billion miles. Not my GOTY (stellar blade was just too good), but def top 3.
I think FFXVI does a lot better than FFVII Rebirth, the combat system isn't as hectic and overwhelming, the side quests aren't all connected to mini-games that you have to win, there are no Ubisoft towers that you have to activate and the game doesn't drag as much Length. If you compare the battle system of FFVII Rebirth with FFXVI, then FFVII Rebirth is pure button smashing, as you have to fill the bar quickly to be able to use spells or items, which is not the case with FFXVI. FFXVI is also button smashing, but there is no need to quickly hit the buttons to heal or use abilities. I found FFVII Remake better than FFVII Rebirth, with FFVII Rebirth you felt like Square Enix had to artificially lengthen the game.
@@prinzludwig8052 everything you wrote is completely wrong.
@@beeforbacon No, for you maybe because you celebrate FFVII Rebirth because it is "FFVII", but the problems are criticized by many, FFVII Rebirth is not perfect and has many problems that are not good for the game. The problem with FFVII Rebirth and FFXVI is that FFVII Rebirth is not criticized because of the fan glasses and everything is said well, but if these Ubisoft towers had already existed in FFXVI, everyone would have complained that these towers have nothing to do with Final Fantasy , but since it's "FFVII" they'll just pretend it's okay. The game was stretched out because Square Enix has to split the remake into 3 parts, so there are a lot of typical Ubisoft elements in it with "explore" and uncovering, the battle system is simply the most hectic battle system in all of Final Fantasy, something like that you can't deny it.
@@prinzludwig8052 ff7rebirth is not perfect but its not an absolute dumpster fire like 16.
@@beeforbacon Why do you think FFXVI is so bad? Do you also have reasons for this? FFXVI also has its problems, but it is called "bad" for no reason, even though FFXVI does a lot of things really well and sometimes better than the FF parts after FFX.
This was actually a great game. I like this better than the remake and FF16. But I think Final Fantasy has become more niche now. If you never played an FF game let alone Final Fantasy 7 original, this great game can become mediocre. Some references you wont get and the convoluted story can make anyone pulled their hair out. Heck even FF fans think the story is very confusing. Its a shame because rebirth was a really good game but the sales doesnt reflect it.
The modern Spider-Man games have this lil button that says SKIP for any and all puzzles and minigames.
i'd give 5/10
I was a teenager when FF7 came out and I never really liked it that much. Some cool characters, but that's about it. The plot was incomplete in the original game and they had to explain a lot of it outside of the game and in movies and side games - frustrating.
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Rebirth is almost perfect.
I think most of my problems with this game come from the worst tendencies of Nomura and how much control he’s been given.
I find it funny that people are still pinning the blame of every fault of the retrilogy on nomura considering literally isn’t even directing or working on this game nor part lol it’s naoki hamaguchi, nomura was likely pulled away to work on kh4
hated the ending in this game, hopefully part 3 pulls it together, but we have vincent's story, cids story, the weapons and such all to get crammed into the last game which is supposed to tie in with advent children, not to mention the new things they added in along the way
Problem is adventure children is for original timeline..not remakes
Ff7 Rebirth was incredible. I did all the side content because I was compelled by the story that came with it. If you aren't, then skip it and just play the main story.
I started skipping the side content when the old lady asked me to round up her lost chickens with an old petrol can on a bit of string. I didn't find that particularly compelling.
I'm glad you enjoyed the game though and thanks for watching!
@prestonocron dude that's in gongaga. You did 80% of the side quests before you tapped out lol
Well that was when I completely gave up. I’d been doing the odd one here and there but the chicken wrangling was the last straw.
this encompassed entirely how I felt. well done.
GOTY
I got burned out with this game, but that's because I grinded too hard. Games like this, you're better off completing gradually over a few months. If it were a game you could platinum in 50 hours like Elden Ring I would have grinded away.
@shawnzinator I know. It's just me! I'm a grindy gamer, but trying to regulate it. This makes a good side game you play aside another game you do grind. If you get burned out on a game that is grindy, this game is good to play to take a break, but I have to train myself to tone down the grinding.
@shawnzinator I grinded the castle so hard with hardly any SP, and still got through it 7 days before the deadline, LOL!
I went into this game with an open mind, knowing the changes that were made, but ultimately, I hate this game, story blows, combat is ok-ish, looks funny how cloud dashes around like a flopping fish, not all that believable, and it's most atrocious change was making it 3 parts, every decision made by developers were extremely odd, I walked away from this title, I'll watch the ending of part 3 of some youtuber and leave it there.
Oh, and chadly was just awful 😖
Nailed it. Way too much needless content for content's sake-side quests and story complications alike. Detracts from the impact of the narrative, and enjoyment of the game overall. Hate to see this.
Thank you! Yeah it’s a shame, I was really rooting for it.
It's funny because while I largely have mostly positive things to say about Rebirth and can wax poetic on some of the directions they can take in Part 3, I largely felt the same as you in the middle of my first playthrough and immediately after beating it. I said it was like "maximalism on crack" and that this was the "Everything" game in that it had everything that could possibly be added to a game AND every narrative thread possible added as well. And I'm so glad you used the word "non-committal," since that's how I felt about the ending on first playthrough. It was like they opened every narrative door JUST in case they might need it in the future. I have other thoughts on that now, but won't bore you. It's too much.
All that said, I was clapping at your breakdown of how Loveless worked. I do think there are more narrative reasons for it than you outline BUT I was also so thrown by the VR mechanics. They genuinely don't make any sense, even watching it multiple times, and I do like that version of just having all of it be a reflection of Cloud's wild imagination.
Oh and funny thing about Chadley. I wondered at one point if they were using Chadley to help dimensionalize why Cloud would believe he were simply "created" by Hojo... the lie told to him by Sephiroth in the OG, which always felt a BIT outlandish and unbelievable. Hence, leading to Cloud thinking, "OMG so I'm just like that little shit that's been stalking me for 3 games. I'm not real." But they have already very effectively done the job of getting Cloud to believe he is doomed and just a puppet like the other robed men, especially with doubling down on degradation (the one Compilation addition to the lore that I quite like... even if it looks goofy in Crisis Core). Again, another potential example of stacking too many elements on top of each other.
Thank you very much!
Great points, I really liked the robed guys too i wish they'd spent more time on them. As well as Jenova and Sephiroth. They're really what it's all about. I think Finall Fantasy is a cosmic horror game at it's core but that stuff is too subdued what with everything else that's going on.
There's just too much to talk about with this game! It's hard to get it into one video. You're smashing it on your channel though!
@@prestonocron Thanks! I have a long video in the works that **mostly** sings the praises of the game (there is a section where I dunk on the ending before unpacking why it might actually work, but I wanted to represent my emotions toward it fully), but you gave voice to some real frustrations I had on my first playthrough.
And I think that's perfectly fine. I also mention this at the start of the video, but I think it's totally okay to love a game even if it isn't perfect or you have real issues with it. This is true of all kinds of entertainment. There is this weird thing on the internet especially where you either have to love something 100% or hate something 100% and I find it so weird and kinda lame. Even in your video, you expressed a lot of things that frustrated you, but you also loved a lot of the experience. That's how we should be enjoying our stuff, otherwise we're just either joyless critics or blind diehard fans.
@@SubTXT_ Absolutely!
Really, i think a lot of my frustrations stem from my love of the franchise. I've been playing my own version of a Final Fantasy 7 remake in my head for over 20 years now. I just really wanted it to be as good as the game i had always imagined. And it is in a lot of ways. So fingers crossed it sticks the landing in part 3.
Anyway, good luck with your video, I look forward to it. I hope after watching it I'm convinced to go for the platinum.
I just think they should never have done a trilogy, there is so much boring content in both of these games. One, admittedly, large but complete remake would have been great, then focus the team on new final fantasies or remake FF IX next.
As a fan, it's a 10 out of 10 as a critique it's a 10 out of 10. Hate it if you want, but it's a game for gamers that did the one thing Yakuza games do allow the gamer to game. World interactment is at its finest. You don't have to do it all but it's there if you want to.
A 25-30 hour game has been turned into a trilogy of 50-80 hour games. That's just insane. I pretty much refuse to give this remake trilogy another chance after playing a bit of the first one. They just absolutely shit on the story of the original and I'd consider these games the ultimate in creative bankruptcy.
Just to know for sure, I watched a video that spoiled the Aerith thing in the second episode. After seeing how that was handled, I'm 100% convinced that there's nothing here for me.
I also frequently hate the art direction of, perhaps especially, Rebirth.
I swear I'm usually not so negative about games. I'm not even a huge fan of the original FFVII, but there's just something here that I find kind of gross. A tight, atmospheric piece of art with a lot of personality has been turned into a total clown shoes smorgasboard of garishness, excess and idiocy. I hate it >:(
FF7 a 25 hour game you said !? You are crazy, it's a 50 hour game.
@@JulienMoutin Last time I played it, I completed it in just under 30. And that was including exploring, getting stuck a few times and doing one of the optional Weapon fights. I didn't grind the chocobo minigame and I'm sure I missed some other things, as I didn't use a walkthrough.
I did play Vincent and Yuffie's stories.
I'm not sure how to get it to 50, except by 100%-ing it with a guide.
so you played remake for a little bit and watched one cutscene from rebirth and decided the game isn't worth your time? alright then. but i'd be interested to hear you elaborate about the art direction. what's wrong with it? personally i have no complaints.
@@TTHHJJ123 I played several hours of the first one, I'm pretty sure. And yeah, it's extremely doubtful that I'd like any of this if I spent more time on it.
I can't explain the art direction thing to you. All I can say is "just look at it". If you don't find it garish and lacking in charm, then we just disagree.
@@micshazam842 i don't find it garish at all because the game has photorealistic graphics. what's exactly garish about it? the only place i would label as garish is the golden saucer but that place is a theme park so it is to be expected. if the art direction lacks charm it's because the game isn't garish enough in some of the open world areas.
I personally don't like queens blood and I get pissed when its mandatory to progress
Dude you’re not kidding. I hated that card game so much. Every FF game had that one card or mini game like Blitzball that I absolutely despised. Otherwise the game is fantastic
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Thanks, confirms my decision to avoid it. I love the PS1 original, played through multiple times. Was excited for the remake, but they took a 6 hour section of the original game, and turned it into a bloated mess that took me 30 hours. Most of that time I was forcing myself to play, just wishing it would end. Sound like rebirth is the same. Guessing part three will be FFVII Remorse.
I actually prefer Remake over Rebirth because it’s more straightforward. After they leave Midgar it gets a bit baggy. Not sure I’ve got the stamina for the third one.
Cyborg? arn't they part human? a full synthetic would be an android or a robot
I’m just going by what Chadley says. Maybe his skin is from a real human.
Haven’t played it but I can tell it’s a hot garbage soup.
Just skip the OPTIONAL side content. Holy shit it’s not hard.
Like I say at 10:59
@@prestonocronyou’re almost there. If you’re asking yourself why are you doing something then just maybe don’t do it.
This game can be completed in 40 hours. It’s on the player to tailor there experience.
Personally, I think the experience should be largely tailored by the developer. Most of the mini games you’re typically forced to play once and only then is it up to you whether or not you want to play more. On a first play through how are you supposed to know what content to try and what to skip?
Anyway, glad you enjoyed the game
Thanks for watching !
@ I guess you need your hand held. I did not feel like I was forced to play every mini game.
Thanks for reading and responding ✨
@@Mr.Schneebly69 thats what I did. Would have traded maybe half of these optional quests for an actual Rocket Town and Cid's proper introduction.
Based on your like/dislike ratio for this video, I can conclude that it's all a matter of taste.
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I agree with this video. This is coming from a player who has platinumed and 100% the entire game. I'm also a massive fan of the franchise. First off, let me just start off with the things I absolutely love about this game: the combat, MOST of the characters, the cinematography and overall flow of the game. All of that is brilliant imo but God I cannot be the only one that thinks the story and some of the events that take place is just way too dragged out lol. Like I get that it's a JRPG and it's supposed to feel like this super long never ending journey but my goodness it is completely soul draining. I mean think about it actually.... the whole point of the game is to find sephiroth and stop him from ending the world right??? Well... in my opinion you wouldn't actually know that with how the events that play out in the main story. A lot of the stuff that goes down in the story will give you that "wtf is happening" type reaction which just kills the soul purpose of actually trying to find and kill this sephiroth guy. Like think about it truly... Loads of the segments that happen in this game play absolutely ZERO part in the game's plot, and the game doubles down on this by using the black cloaked guys as an excuse as to why we're just gallavanting all over the damn place lmao. The game doesn't even tell you how or why these guys are leading us to sephiroth, or how they even get to parts of the world that we seemingly have to travel by godamn planes and stuff? Let me not even get started on how some of the characters were done in this game... Remember Vincent? The frickin dracula guy? Yeah, he does absolutely nothing the whole time we get introduced to him. RedXIII visiting his hometown? We learn a bit about the black materia and the Gi I guess... but then that whole event just gets left behind in tbe dust like it's absolutely nothing. Making our way to Gongaga just to get swallowed by a big fish?... going to costa del sol to...do what exactly? Fight Hojo for no reason? The only actual parts of the story that I can see served some purpose is maybe Barret's segment where we learn about his past and The party going to nibel. Everything else that happens is kind of just pointless, which square done on purpose because they want the story to be as long as possible whilst catering to a large cast of characters. The problem with that is we as the player get a lot of uneccassary gameplay strolls like fighting the turks over and over again with no real reward (though it was kinda fun towards the end I guess because it actually felt lile you whooped their as*es that time), fighting scarlet for no reason (she just flies away in the end), fighting Pamer, Hojo, all of these fights happen for no reason and we don't even get any sense of satisfaction for beating them, becaude they just run away. It can get frustrating. Now imagine when we finally get to the end of the game, we fight this selestial galactical version of sephiroth like 10 times whilst changing party members inbetween, giving you no choice at all- just for sephiroth to smile at you while he flies away and you just stand there like this 👁👄👁 trying to figure out wtf you just wasted your time on. I haven't even touched on the side content in this game... like jeez there's just way too much going on here
Haha, agreed! Thanks!
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The Black Robe guys are pretty much part of Jenova and heading towards the reunion, Sephiroth hinted at this at the temple of the ancient where he said "his fragmented mother" and the whole world will be made whole again. Those are obviously plot setups that will be answered in the third game, without giving you any theory spoilers. Those black robe guys do not need to travel by plane either, they are everywhere, and not all of them will successfully make the journey, but all of em are head towards one place, so you are not seeing the same robed guys but what matters is the party is following those robe guys to their destination. What is so confusing about that?
On Vincent, he have his own fricking game, so obviously his story will be fleshed out in the third chapter.
On Red XIII and Cosmo Canyon, oh boy, just you wait for the third chapter along with Buganhagen, it will be one of the most pivotal plot point of the game that is coming up, and from what I imagine they will do with Aerith with this part it is going to be a big tear jerker.
As for the Gongaga, well those big fish will play a significant role in the third game, and Tifa experiences through the lifestream *hint not her memories but of someone elese's memory will play a pivotal part in the third game, also hint at the end of the game, those giant materia within those big fishes glowed pure white at the ending, stay tune these are all deliberately set up for the third game and will get answers.
Costa Del Sol was more like a fun location to get to know your party better, a well needed break, and was like a vacation spot as in the OG game, I don't mind it, but I will give you that.
Ironically Barret story while sweet serves the least importance to the Overaching story of the entire game, though it was really sweet and you get to learn about Marlene, and realy touching, it have really little significance to the overal plot of the game, so funny you point out the least significant segment as the one that you love the most.
Oh the end we had several battles going on, one in the physical space, and one within Cloud's head, because as you know Cloud has fragmented memories, one of them which is clearly seen with him in the wheelchair in Aerith's dream! How those come together are just theoretical but everything will be explained in the third game.
Pretty much all the gripes you have about the plot holes will be resolved in the third game.
@@Biglongmchuge-ff9co I'm glad you actually explained everything that this game confused me about😭🙏 I just feel that with a lot of stuff in this game it can get easy to lose track of what actually matters cuz there's just an abundance of different things going on. And the bad writing in some story parts doesn't help either. A lot of what you mentioned you said will be explained in the third game, which is fair enough I guess. I just can't help but feel as if square aren't even going to pull that off properly when I'm going off of how they done this game. I know there'll definitely be great story segments in the third game, but with how much stuff they gotta cover now idk to me it sounds like too much maybe with the whole split worlds, memory fragments and all of that... I could be wrong we'll just have to wait and see when the game comes out. I really hope you're right and they do answer all the questions raised
@@fbomb.0163 This Dev team have proven what they can do in Rebirth, this give me confidence they will pull it off, provided that no budget are cut for the third game.
No.
This game is pure trash 🗑️🗑️🗑️
No, but the story alteration is more than 3 trash cans.
No, the game is very good, but in my opinion it is presented better than it is because of the FFVII fan glasses, so the problems that FF7 Rebirth has are often ignored. If these Ubisoft towers had already existed in FFXVI then fans would have torn it apart and claimed "This has nothing to do with FF" but since it's FFVII it's weirdly fine xD