Should we have stopped on Amber?
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2019
- Following on from my Video "Always Blame the Learner Driver" • Video I try to analyse whether or not me and my pupil should have stopped at the Amber light? Were we Amber Gamblers?
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To be fair if you went through it when it was still green you would have still been in that area when the people going the other way pulled out
Correct!!! I hadn't thought of that!
I mentioned this a couple of times in the other video plus the fact the distance perception is different between the camera and the human eye, but no......for some people it was still Ashley's fault for telling the student to go through on the yellow.
Ultimately the blame for the whole situation should be with the person who set up the timings on the lights they are clearly wrong.
Or the cars you met started before the light turned green.
@@Ed.R It's more likely the first 2 cars came from a junction not controlled by temporary traffic lights or from one of the driveways - this could be supported by the fact the angry man kept saying that no one jumped the light.
I'm pretty sure they would've been through with no issue if it wasn't for those cars.
Good point those timings are terrible
I retract my statement from the previous vid. Didn’t know that dashcam gave such a distorted view vs reality. Driving through the amber was indeed the safest option.
ditto
@@jonmy7 That being the case, it wasn't a good idea to offer it up in evidence in support of his argument.
@@belltopcone I was just agreeing that I "Didn’t know that dashcam gave such a distorted view vs reality". I don't have any problem changing my mind in light of new evidence. Whether it was a good idea or not I don't have an opinion about.
Car behind was too close and the fact that they followed you through Confirmed it wasn’t safe. If my pupils did the same I would agree with that decision
Surely the car behind being close is their issue? If a child were to of run out into the road, and the 1st car had performed an emergency stop and the 2nd car were to of crashed into them, that would have been 100% the 2nd car’s fault?
In the eyes of a professional driver, we often have to think for others and decide what's best in order to prevent an accident, whether it be blameworthy or not.
@@JakeM218 well yeah it would've been the car behinds fault but reckon the idea is to prevent the crash at all mate
@@JakeM218 And that's where we get to discuss tailgating. If you tailgate, you must be prepared for the consequences. That is why tailgating is dangerous and it will always be, simply because you can not predict what is going to happen in front...
And yes, if the first car performed an emergency brake and the car behind crashed into them, it's in most cases due to tailgating and lack of observation, not paying attention to surroundings and what is actually happening in front of you, in other words - bad driving. Nobody could teach that, in my opinion, you either have it or you don't...
@@johnhall4917 surely a professional driver, having been correctly trained would have identified the stale green light and would have taken measures to ensure they could stop, professional drivers are surely taught to look further ahead. 5 keys of smiths system people
The above video should not need to have been made, but sadly it is not unexpected that it would be needed with how people tend to over analyse from behind their screens. A fantastic effort in taking the time to make this follow up video and shows you are nothing other than a serious professional, who is readily prepared to go above and beyond in your field. Well done sir, thank you and keep up the good work!
Sorry I can only like this statement once.
I did also originally think there was time to stop but I still agreed with everything in the video, if you go through an amber light there is almost always enough time to get through before it changes to green so no one gets stuck like that. he does make a good point that what you see is different and you're right you can't always get an idea of the situation just watching a video.
well said, 100% agree
As Dermot said, I can only like this comment once unfortunately.
Your learner did so well. People are always so quick to blame a learner. I only passed in November so I'm extremely patient with learner drivers! Love the videos :)
I'm currently practicing driving with my parents, and a little interesting comparison I discovered, if I'm going exactly the speedlimit on the highway everyone still passes me mostly because im a learner, and when my dad drives 30 below the speedlimit on the same road, noone passes him xD. So yeah I agree, people are always really blooody quick to bash the learners :D
I remember one occasion as an L Rider on a motorbike that the vehicle in front of me used the incorrect lanes over a roundabout. Being on a bike, and saw it developing as it happened, I was quick to sound my horn. Well, that didn’t go down well, did it? The amount of abuse from everyone in the car... mum, Dad, two teenage kids - all knew better than someone learning to pass driving tests. 🤨
You been driving for 6 mounts now
i feel like alot of people that just passed are patient whit learner drivers becouse they know what it feels like and over time kind of forget about that.
@Hatty x, I have my licence for 6+ years now, but I give learners more space than a regular car 🤷♂️
I went through an amber light on my driving test. It suddenly changed, therefore there was no choice. I passed the test. It’s situational dependent.
I got a minor for this but it would have been worse if I had suddenly stopped 👍
7:21 found the issue. Theres a stupid land whale blocking the road
See, it's a good job the dashcams make objects look further away. Wouldn't want a close up of that.
chris746568462 if you look close enough you can see her stash of Mcdonalds monopoly stickers... shes probably won the car 3 times over but is to stupid to figure out how to redeem it
@@chris746568462 roast of the year? had me dying there for a few hours...
Steve Hoyland A mistake?
@@chris746568462 With her size, she's already looking too wide in the wide angle camera.
I noticed the amber light on the other video, but even if you did bounce the Amber light, there should still be time between the red light at your end until the end of the road works.
The time from your set of lights to the first driver (who is nearly all the way through) is strong enough evidence that they did bounce the red light.
No, it's not, at all. The other driver could have come from a driveway, or other junction. Also, the lights at the other end could be out of phase, or glitched or anything.
The issue is that neither side wanted to work to resolve the issue by backing up. In reality if the learner and 1 behind backed up, they could have solved it too. It seems as well they had less distance to back up., and only 2 cars. They didn't do anything wrong, but they could have resolved, as could the traffic on the other side.
@@hearnia2k not really, they were already over half way through and the guys from the other side had driveways right behind them. what made this situation really bad was that shella on the wrong side of the road with the mobile who refused to move. she is a dick and should never drive. as for the lights changing, it is possible but they would check them before putting them out and they know how long it takes to get through and had a lot of practice setting them. while it is always possible, it is unlikely.
@@hearnia2k no your wrong, the instructor had very good reason to tell him to go. that car was going to run up their ass if he stopped so to me that was reason enough. second did cross the amber and still only got halfway, there is no way that road workers would have been that far off. they set these things up all the bloody time, they know what they are doing. those guys did pass on the red and that chick on the phone in the middle of the road could have just moved and everything would have been fine but instead made it so much worse.
Yes there is a 90% chance that it was the fault of the drivers that ran a red light and a 10% chance that it was the fault of whoever setup the lights, ether by not controlling all of the controlled stretch of road or by setting the lights to be green at some of the same time.
The other drivers could of easily just turned into the Bellway estate with the road block as well. I'm on the side of Learner driver with this one. Amber is prepare to stop/stop if safe to do so and it wasn't. So suppose there was an apprentice on that day and he messed the light system up, why is this the only road block, surely it would of been noted and fixed. There was only one car coming through at speed (there is evidence of that in the video) that increases the likelihood that the other car has jumped the lights.
Why didn't the learner just back up?
The other car (the only one at the time) was in a better position at the time to reverse into the driveway. Then further down the road is where the other cars started to come through and create the road block. This time the learner is nearly all the way through and when the other drivers finally reverse, you can see this was the better option out of the two and both situations were caused by the driver who bounced the lights
LOL the guy who lives next to that traffic light must get so annoyed every time he tries to get in his driveway xD
Imagine he wants to drive out of his driveway.
@@advocatusdiaboli3204 that would be easier. If he's trying to turn in would be a problem because most people wouldn't leave space for the driveway and they'd be unable to reverse so he'd have no choice but to keep going. While if he's trying to get out cars can see that and someone will stop to let him out.
Yeah but they are temporary lights
Ankh Warrior to would be easy to get in 1/5 of the time (if you’re coming from the direction that the guy in the video is coming from, you can just turn in). However, getting out would be difficult all the time, no matter which way you go.
It all depends on which side you drive to, but yeah. Getting out would be way more difficult.
I am in agreement with your decision`s but was pleased to see this video posted. I think the issue was possibly the traffic light timings being badly set ???? if not , then it must have been red light jumpers from the other side.
Andrew W it could have been people that joined in the little junctions where there were no timed lights. The same junctions they backed off into.
Well considering that his light was in the middle of changing to red, it wouldn't be unrealistic to think the lights at the other side was still red or red and amber which you *cannot* go on. But yes the sequence of the lights could be off too. I recall one time when approaching Longman round roundabout in Inverness, the light had their sequence change to what was a crazy short sequence! No sooner had the light gone green for 2 seconds or so it would turn amber then red. Thankfully for me this was changed back to normal later that day.
@@Thecampercz the junction was to a new subdivision and was fenced off, there is no visible traffic coming from that junction. The traffic signal lights may be incorrectly timed or people ignored them hoping to get through when they don't see cars coming and then use that junction at a pit stop to let on-coming cars through.
they could have come from the side road (maybe there was no indicator on the flow of the road by that road or they jumped that light) but anyway not the drivers fault at all. it was illegal for the driver to stop at the light at it would put the car behind in danger so there for the car had to go through. (atleast that is the law where i'm from. and i've taken car and truck driver license so i know the law pretty well also we had a former cop who knew all the laws.)
Or they could have been forced to slow down or even stop because of an obstacle on the road that by the time this car went through it was gone. But the fact that those two cars coming your way didn't lose a second to turn into those drives makes me believe that they were red light jumpers wanting to minimise the problem?
Anyone who watches dash-cammers (and complains about distances) should watch this video. Well done!
Well done mate, didn't need to be explained for the majority, but now it clear as day that your student was top notch!
It was a bad situation for a learner driver to be put in, but it was clear to me from the first video that you'd done the right thing. I'm glad that you didn't back down when the other drivers were blaming your pupil as there's always a lot of bullying from other drivers towards young drivers, especially those with L or P plates on.
Well it was actually a good situation for a learner driver to be put in because he had a qualified instructor with him and would have learned from the experience.
OxideFX I don’t think it was a bad situation for the pupil at all,
I think that stuff like this happens too often and learners need to experience this stuff prior to their test. His pupil handled it perfectly 👌🏼
Knowing ash I knew he wouldn’t back down when he’s right but them people annoyed me because if it wasn’t ash and it was somebody not as experienced them people could have really done a number on them swarming over the car threatening to report them worrying that ...best thing there is hands of my car go away that’s the way to go if there acting like that
Yeah, since I've failed my first driving test (traffic lights on separate right turn lane in right-driving country, guess which light) I always measure the distance "stop here, stop here, stop here, no stop, no stop" when getting close to traffic light on green.
Ya, always felt like as a learner that some people aimed at you are soemtimes deliberatly pulled out at you. IDK I was always told that beeping your horn at a learner was illegal because you might startle them and cause them to make a dangerous mistake, didn't stop people beeping at me and driving up my backside all the time. Took forever for me to learn to break smoothly as well, had a nasty instance once where a bus was driving up my backside and I panicked going downhil because putting in the clutch to switch to first (aprooaching a junction) caused the car to speed up. I rammed on the breaks like a moron (only been learning less than a month) and the bus nearly hit me. Kind of got a bit of a phobia of changing gear and dealing with hills, took a long time to get better.
Your learner was amazing he handled the situation so well I wouldn’t have
I hope you reported her for being on her mobile while the car was still on
She is literally being hated on rate my driver
Shut up..
Yea thats not wasting police time ffs... someone getting knifed while they listen to you waffling bout some fat bitch on the phone at 4mph.. your both wasters
@@mvizionvizion1502 laws are in place for a reason, as petty as they are they serve a purpose!
Mvizion vizion firstly, it was a light hearted joke, get a sense of fucking humour. Secondly, it’s the law. If she’s going to waste her time reporting the make of the video for something they didn’t do wrong (*cough* WASTING POLICE TIME), then he can report her for her actually breaking the law.
Now get off the internet because it’s clearly not somewhere you can handle 🙄
Ah hadn't taken into account the wide angle lense, excellent point well made.
(Just for anyone reading this on the original video I said "I'd personally have stopped on amber but that's not relevant" or something to that effect)
Why on earth would you even stop on amber?
@@ResevoirGod because you're supposed to unless you can't safely do sof
@@Karnemelk And in this case it would have been more dangerous to stop.
@@ResevoirGod not trying to argue that. The dude totally did what was best. But you asked why stop at Amber in general.
@@Karnemelk I should have made in clear that I was talking in the context of this scenario. Although I would argue that with any temporary traffic lights you're usually safe to go through amber.
Definitely a good idea to go through, not so sure about the car behind you though...
I totally agree with you. I posted a dashcam video once that showed an idiot pulling out of a junction right in front of me and I had to slam on my brakes. People commented, "He was miles away, you're over reacting!" Trust me - I wasn't. He looked further away because it was a dashcam view, not a real eye view.
You know the really impressive thing here is that analysis went through Ashley's head in real time at the time of the decision. That's experience and expertise in a nut shell - most people don't have it in most situations.
Both of the lights remain red at the same time for quite a while anyway until they’re sure everyone who would’ve went through would’ve made it out of the other side before it goes green again for 1 side, so it’s so clearly obvious that the oncoming person jumped the light
Some commenters appear to not be aware of that.
Amber is stop only if safe to do so. That car would have gone mental at you for stopping; damned for doing and damned for not stopping.
Ask those obstructing to retake their tests!
If they'd have stopped.. they'd have damaged the car o the speed bump, or got rear ended by the person behind not bothering to check if it was safe to proceed
people could retake their tests every day and still drive like knobheads
Amber means stop, you have twisted it a bit in your statement, you only go through amber if it would be unsafe to stop, at all other times amber is the same as red, stop.
No Amber is stop unless unsafe to do so. Would you like further explaination?
Jo Bloggs and simgorm No no no, you're both wrong. Amber means "stop as long as it is safe to do so". Not "stop unless unsafe to do so" or "only go through if it would be unsafe to stop".
I believed you and the learner were in the right from the beginning but this video was actually super informative. Thank you for this and I honestly wish I had had you as my driving instructor. 💜💜
Thank you for clearing that up. Most people don't realize that your actual view is much closer than the camera view.
This video actually really helps. Thanks for clearing this up.
Totally on your side, you should not have to justify anything as you and the learner were in the right!
Absolutely nothing wrong with going through amber here. The highway code is very clear. You only stop if you see amber AND it is safe to do so. It was certainly not safe to do so. The traffic light system accounts for this effect. You should never need to stop abruptly for traffic lights if you have been paying attention.
This was helpful and definitely changes my opinion on some other dashcam vids I have watched. It's impressive how much the same event can be interpreted so differently with just a small change in perspective.
This situation that you have just discussed is the reason itself for why we have an amber light.
Didn't see the other video, but if there was someone up his chuff, and he was very near the light, it would 'endanger other road users' NOT to keep going.
Another car went through after him and was very close so they couldn't reverse out the way either, he was 100% in the right, the rest should have waited
I'm currently learning and I got horned at for not moving, when I couldn't clear the junction. Some people just are impatient and want to blame a learner because they are not as experienced. The orginal video showed that and this video, clearly shows the perspective when using wide angled lens on cameras.
Great videos! Very helpful, keep up the good work.
I got honked once for stopping at a stop sign.
I had someone do that just last Saturday for not squeezing past oncoming traffic for a row of parked cars. So I put my hand up like "What?". 😂
Mainly due to it being a new car, bigger than the last one. That's why I stopped. Also because I don't pull off so quick. 😆
I had my lesson today and I almost got overtaken in a 20 due to road works. So many people are impatient it's unbelievable sometimes.
I was always told it was illegal to beep at a learner, and even if it isn't, it's dangerous, you can startle a brand new driver and cause them to do something dumb.
@@Stettafire Yeah that's a good point, I still feel a bit on edge when there's a car on my back, like bumper to bumper, I feel like if I make a mistake, I will cause a accident and then I will be blamed. Doesn't help that I suffer from panic attacks as well.
This is an excellent demonstration of the difference in optics and field of view. Bravo
Excellent analysis!
This was a very informative video, thank you.
Been watching your videos for a while (only subbed recently) and I'll be honest, in the original video I thought that perhaps your pupil should have tried to stop before the amber. But now that you've broken it down, it's clear as day, you were correct to instruct your pupil to carry on through. The silver car coming at you 100% should not have been there either? Assuming it came from a non-controller junction?
Yep I've got 2 years and 27 till I can drive. Its always good to learn early
oh yeah your right, get all the information you can. hell I started learning how to drive at 8 on the paddock with dad, by the time I could drive on the road I was great at controlling a car. makes it easier
Hi Ashley, great explanation and demonstration. Thanks for posting. Every day is a school day. 👍😎
You have the patience of a saint in explaining this. Such a good, clinical explanation. (New sub)
Should you not have been prepared to stop in the green considering it was green for a while on approach
he probably would've been rear ended by the car behind them, or made them slam on their brakes
like he said, it's a lot closer than it appears in the camera because of the lense. the car behind committed to the light by the time it turned for them.
Great explanation and I've no doubt the other cars jumped a red but it would've been interesting to add to this video the timing of the lights. If you did the speed limit (they were speeding) and timed how long it took to pass from one side to the other, timed how long they stayed on green, how long on red, how long light A was on red before light B goes to green etc. it would be interesting. Likely they jumped the red but could be really poorly timed lights. If the lights are timed with little spare time in mind, a car from the other side slowly turning into one of the junctions or drives may have held them up a bit? Either way you and the learner were never in the wrong.
Whilst from an academic perspective this might be a useful exercise, the truth is that the oncoming traffic should not have been there.
Great explanation as always (not that I felt I was owed one personally) but my 👍 is for the excellently presented beard, nice work Mr Neal.
Great analysis, great job Ashley!
i quistions this my last video gave you the benefit of the doubt buit now it clearly explains it thank you
The Highway Code states that it is only necessary to stop on amber if it is completely safe to do so. I saw that video and some of the know it alls being quite nasty.
Your learner did well and you were teaching them well
Actually the HC states "AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident"
That’s America
Collins LFC in this case it would have caused an accident. Read my comment again! “Only if it is completely safe to do so”
@@scottyboy1809 I was just clarifying to you what the HC states, you seemed to have been mistaken in your original comment. That's all.
Collins LFC how am I mistaken? It IS only necessary to stop at an amber light if it is safe to do so! I didn’t mention the stop line because there is no stop line at temporary lights
Edit: you are right. But I believe I am also right
Great response video! Your videos are very professional! Taking a hot topic in from one of your videos and dissecting it from a professional point of view is something you're really good at! Look forward to seeing more
Great explanation Ashley. That was well put together and glad you did that to 'educate' those idiots who were too quick to point the finger.
Anyway, you still went through an amber/orange light. So you or your pupil were not to blame in any way.
7:25 Just realised her plates said *"NPC"*
thanks for a very well thought-out analysis and a well made video. I analyze dashcam footage for insurance companies following traffic incidents and I didn't realize what a false perception the wide angle view creates! Keep up the great work Ashley
Was absolutely the right call. Zero doubts that stopping would have been dangerous.
Interesting follow up video and admirable commitment to proving yourself right and responding, in the manner you see fit, to others you think are wrong to question youre judgment about what played out that day... good old power of the internet eh. On the whole i am very much in agreement about things actually. In the end no one got hurt and no vehicles were damaged and only a few egos were bruised, stress levels raised and a few peoples time was wasted, which though not ideal, is obviously not as bad!
I do however stand by my own (admittedly non professional driving instructor based) opinion... that in the run up to the road works..... in a 30mph zone.... with speed bumps..... and mid residential area.... that my "Tom Webb senses" woud be tingling and that i would not be travelling at 30mph and would be quite abit closer to 20mph in anticipation of what might happen and thus the lights would have been on red by the time id have reached them and the situation would never have happened. Sure the people ahead could/would still have made their mistakes but it wouldnt have led to the same somewhat insignificant but still frustrating outcome. I know when im driving that i need to be preventative in my style because alot of others are not as considerate as myself lol and i cant account for anyone elses actions. If i go a wee bit too slow for the tailgaters liking in these situations then so be it... ive done everyone a favour not that i want thanking for it lol.
Tbf if i had been driving and going exactly the 30mph limit (or 31 32 33 as many do) then at the point the lights turn amber and knowing someones pretty tight up my chuff id also go through as it was the best thing to do but again i would have been a touch slower than what it appears you are doing and avoided the incident entirely (at least from my perspective).
There is still no excuse for much of the behaviour of others in youre original video... but thats drivers for you today and we should almost just expect people to become enraged at some level.... thats just another reason to trust ones instincts and look to avoid these situations 👍
🤣 it took me 18 months from my 1st lesson to the test for which I passed. If a learner needs to take their time, who am I judge?
lol i was on my Ls for like 3 years, it wasn't cause I needed the time but I always forgot my book. I think every person learned in their own time, if they get it in a year great but if they need 2 then that's fine. it is more important that they learn what they need with the instructor then to rush it, otherwise they are just throwing money down the drain and not going to be anywhere near as good.
Fantastic video. So glad you took the time to make this, although I'm sure you had better things to do with your time than prove yourself right. Keep up the good work!
Fair play to you. I questioned not stopping at amber but you raise a good point with the perspective and the driver tailgaiting behind.
that stretch of road was far too long to have unsignalled traffic joining
Have you read chapter 8 of the Road Signs Manual??? There is nothing saying that works have to provide three or four (or more) way lights depending on the length of carriageway.
@@jerviservi and? It doesn't take a genius to work out why a long stretch of road can cause problems with unsignalled traffic joining at the wrong time
@@Krapvag and laws and regulations were followed, js
As a driver I would of gone through on Amber. I watched the original video and I thought the whole situation was handled perfectly. 👍
Nothing annoys me more when people slam on at amber when they are at 30Mph or so,
@@cerberus276gaming6 If thats the case you are driving to close to the vehicle in front
So happy you showed the difference between normal sight and a dashcam, I sometimes find myself saying "you should have seen that" at crash videos and the like on YT. So seeing just how huge the difference is, was an eye opener to say the least.
Nice analytical breakdown. Even before seeing your explanation of the distances and finding out that there was a car closely behind, I could tell going through was the correct thing to do. Thank you
So my question is this, what would you have expected a learner to do on a test and what do you think the outcome would have been? Genuinely curious. Passing an amber light at that stage is run of the mill for most drivers at some point, sometimes we can even hit a chain of lights in sequence where we just amber them all the way through as they change. Daily event, however a friend of ours failed their test today for passing an amber signal when she deemed it safe to go through. The instructor is intending to review the dashcam with the intention of appealing, not that it makes any difference to the outcome today.
In this particular scenario that you have in the video, as per the original, it's my belief that someone emerged from a side road and that caused the initial event but i'm genuinely interested in your answer to my original question given that you said to the learner "be prepared for them to change". Should the learner have actually started to slow down in the first place such that they could have stopped in the event of a change? I'm still not attributing any error with this question, only that if the scenario presented itself again, how would you advise a learner to deal with this for a test?
Its all hazard perception. If you believe a light may change then you should slow as if it were. Its how I was taught and its what I apply to this day. Ive commented elaewere saying what of this was a pedestrian crossing. The light would be on red before the car had even cleared the lines.
Read the sign at the foot of the lights also if joining traffic was not light controlled a sign wound inform you.
@@mit247 in an ideal world yes but i've seen plenty of lights where they haven't indicated uncontrolled traffic. Plus merely warning of uncontrolled traffic doesn't prevent it from happening.
@@lukesdewhurst I completely agree. You should approach traffic lights in anticipation of the amber change. Also, if someone is following too closely behind you, SLOW THEM DOWN! Way before you get to the lights!
It's not "deemed safe to go through", Czech law (and I believe other laws) have it the opposite way - you can go through on amber if it is UNSAFE to stop.
No the car behind was following to close for a safe stop
I wonder if giving a quick flash of the hazards would have scared her (I think it was a woman driving the car behind) to back off a little?
I LOVE how you actually take the time to make videos like this, to educate.
I’m fully aware of the distortion dashcams have on footage, and knew from the outset going through was the right thing.
Methinks the lights were poorly set up or Little Miss Ahllrepoort-Yu went on red.
Edit:-
Amber light means stop unless to do so would cause an accident.
Great explanation, definitely inspiring to start recording and using my own material as well to learn my student's certain situations.
Been having trouble explaining distance with tailgating, I made a made a video, where I actually measured the distance using a walking measuring stick and cones. Made a screenshot that I can overlap on my footage.
I've gotten used to wide angle lens with dash cams, but being actually being to show it was useful.
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I've been driving now for 6 weeks!
You remind me of my instructor...
After 522 miles driven since i *passed* i have come to a conclusion.
Only 85% of people indicate, I see people on phones, People without seat-belts, People swerving out of their lane on A roads, 80% of people break the speed limit on B roads.
If your reading this as an experienced driver, This isn't news to you... And you're thinking "welcome to the real world kid" haha
My point is- Ashley is a professional, who teaches and teaches well. I'm sure sometimes he makes mistakes, hes human. But in this circumstance and im sure in every circumstance he has power to do so he will make a quick thinking decision based on the circumstances for the safest possible outcome as a teacher. And i think he made the right call.
Maybe you think my opinion is invalid? You're probably right, What do i know.
But hear me out, Lets say for example you have spent the past 20 years on the road and call yourself experienced.
I spent 13 months learning every single day not just physically but with videos like Ashley provides us with to learn not just how to drive, But how to drive *lawfully* and *safe*
Trust me i will look back at this in 2-5-10-20? years whist bombing around doing exactly the same as everyone else does and consider myself experienced. Forgetting a lot of the law, and adopting the same bad habits everyone else does without even realizing.
My instructor and these videos got me through my test first time and 1 minor, Im continuing his great teachings now im on the road and let loose alone and i hope i keep them up...
That being said... I'm a realist. And in reality, Learners drive like learners. In short im as bad as everyone else and i admit it.
yeah, learner will often make mistakes due to lack of experience but in saying that a lot of full licence drivers are worse than the major of L platers. at least they have an excuse. I've been a full licence driver for a year now and I can tell you stories. I agree with everything you said here, instructors are genius, mine was amazing. I owe my good driving and perfect driving record all to him.
I was litteraly gonna write "Welcome on the Road haha" !
Just a point i wana make : You opinion isn't invalid just because you've been driving for only six weeks. If anything, i would trust someone that just learned the theory a lot more than some 50 year old man that never learned to ride a roundabout and never used blinkers for 30 years.
Experience has to be respected yes, but i doesn't mean the people that have some are always right.
This video is a perfect example. People that drive like *** since 10 years, still drive like *** haha.
You being younger or less experience doesn't mean you're wrong.
If anything, you know the Road Rules better than others.
Think about this next time someone cuts you off in a roundabout, don't let them intimidate you.
They may have driven for 25 years more than you, but how did they behave during these years ? If after 25 years they still can't do it properly, they should learn from young drivers.
Hi Ashley Neal, such a great video... I had no idea cameras could give different views... Your video really puts things into perspective... Very informative.... However bit shocked at the end with the incredibly nice lady saying "ill report you"... Thankyou Ashley Neal for giving up your time to make this video...Point taken 🤗 🌈 x
Great video on perspectives. I watch the previous video and thought.. ooh you could have possibly stopped not even thinking about it. I didn't realise the difference in perspective seems to be 5-10 metres. Great video again, love your presentation
100% the right decision it wasnt safe to stop with the car behide you + the fact you would of had to stop before that driver way!
Check my videos out for silly liverpool drivers
I totally will I see you ride 😎🏍️ I'm on a moped at the moment but I'm going to be getting a nicer set of wheels soon 😎😎
@@lukejennings3864 only on a 125 pcx my self mate 🤙🤙🤙🤙
@@stebob1995 ah I'm on a 50 atm
@@lukejennings3864 argh must be a killer that mate hahaha
Oh it's hell Im quick off the line.. And that's about it 😂😂
Doesn’t really matter when you pass your test and receive your license to drive. You can drive however you want 😂😉✋🏻
Everybody should do refresher course after maybe every 10 years also, And if the instructor believes you’re not up to standard you should have to do some refreshing lessons. And if you don’t do the refresher lessons within certain time you can lose your license and have to reset the whole test again
fuck 10 years, every 2 like some heavy machinery licenses need... cars can kill just as easily as machinery and are far more plentiful
Thanks for videos - i preparing for mod 2 motorcycle test - i doing it by myself at mine 125cc - so explaining proper behavior is very helpfull.
Thanx
I've been a driving instructor for 5 years aswell and I must say you're completely right and explained it good, also learned a new thing with the perspective of the dash cams!
I'd also like to note, even if if you should of stopped at that orange it could of never been the difference between them coming or not coming through. There's always plenty(even too much) buffer on these lights to get the intersections cleared up.
Been in plenty of these "always blame the learner" situations like you and it's just hillarious how people act in these situations.
I'm sorry but this is a really weak argument. Forward planing Ashley. You should be teaching forward planing. Which means telling your student "that light is green, what is it likely to do?" Answer: change to red. "how should you prepare for that?" answer: slow down and prepare to stop if i need to.
You went through an amber because you're not teaching forward planing on lights.
Edit: just to add, you tell your student "lets try to make them" the green light, thats really bad practice and will lead drivers to speed up when they see a green light.
he said "be careful and go slow never try to make them" listen to the original video where he's not talking over this. he also talks about forward planning, not a weak argument.
we must have watched a different video to each other as this was really clear and a strong argument on a point he shouldn't have needed to make, just watching his first video on it was enough to see who was at fault.
@@sadmire You're right, i missed heard him, he does say "never try to make them" But, he doesnt make him take action, as in actually have him slow down.
I understand the camera makes things look farther away than they are however we can still measure stuff, for example the house on the left or the 4 cars on the left. He had 4 cars length to safely stop at 30mph when the light turned amber. thats about 60 feet for stopping distance, at 30mph (which he shouldnt have been doing and wasnt) he would have needed around 75 feet. However drop his speed down to 20mph and he only would have needed 40 feet. Speed humps, road works and temp traffic lights, 20 is the correct speed to be at regardless.
So it comes down to not making your student take action to your forward planing. Theres really no excuse for him to have gone through this amber imo.
@@EskiLdn the car behind him already committed to going through the light, if he stopped it could've caused an accident or cause the person behind them to stop very suddenly. the car was a lot closer than it looks. if nobody was behind him, I'd agree with you, but the fact that he had someone behind him committing to the light changes it. even so I doubt the people who set these lights up didn't set them up to give people who go right before it turns or right as it turns time to get through.
@@sadmire Not true, the car behind him is about 2 car lengths away, now, if he was going at 20mph 2 cars lengths is enough space to slow down and stop and if hes unable to then thats the cars fault and if he wants to commit to going through a red light, which he did, then thats on him not you or a student you're teaching.
I understand about the camera view and all that but we can literally use the 2 second rule with the video. Count the cone at 5:03, the car behind is at a safe distance.
If the student was driving at 20mph, and started breaking just before the speed hump, there would be no problem with the car behind or stopping before the lights.
Id agree that who ever set the lights might have not set them well or the other drivers went through a red. i dunno. I'm just pointing out that there was and should have been plenty of space and time to stop at those lights with a student
Amber means floor-it cmon everybody knows that.
I bet you drive an Audi.
@A real bisexual petrol-head relax i was being sarcastic...noone actually truly believe amber means floor-it...
@@alisonwilliams4862 nope, im a Lexus guy, LS460
@@alisonwilliams4862 i bet u drive a fiat 500
@@Shazzkid Vauxhall Astra actually. He's called Racer! ☺
I drive already but still found this really interesting!
Fair play for making this video. I thought the learner should have stopped but after watching this I think you were right to tell him to go.
Even if you had have stopped, the Skoda Shittygo would have gone through and caused the same jam in the roadworks.
I never thought you should have stopped. Good explanation as ever though.
Well explained mate, well explained 👏👏
Fantastic analysis.
Absolutely excellent follow up video Ashley! I totally love how analytically you covered this topic as well as the fact that you took the initiative to actually make this follow up in the first place. And I notice in some of the comments now that quite a number of folks who previously stated that you should have stopped on amber are now commenting the other way. Yes, the dash cam can indeed distort the distance, something you obviously went to considerable efforts to illustrate (and I recall you making another video on this very aspect not too long ago). You are a very smart man Sir!
I always felt you took the correct action in the original video, and even then, I had never noticed or considered one additional and very crucial aspect that you have now pointed out in this latest piece: Namely the driveway on the left just before where the temporary lights are situated. Absolutely spot on when you mention that had you stopped at the lights and sign itself (not withstanding the danger from the following car for a moment), you would then have been blocking that driveway on the left for anyone entering or leaving. In the case of it being an approaching car wanting to turn into the driveway, that in itself could have caused similar mayhem to the original situation. As you mentioned, this whole driveway aspect effectively shortened your stopping distance on amber even more...and with a car tailgating you and committed to going through the lights.
I also found it rather interesting that when the lady in red snapped a photo of you and called out "I'll report you", she then gave a big smile as she walked back to her car. Seems to me that she was just creating that whole situation as a bit of a laugh and to try and prove some kind of "point" just for the sake of it. And report you for what exactly? Furthermore, what's a still photo of you and your car going to prove, other than the fact that you were simply there?
Another point to appease anyone still on the "You should have stopped" bandwagon. Let's say you had actually come along a few seconds earlier on a totally green light. The exact same situation would still have occurred anyway, though no fault of your own. The reason I can say this is - see how far down the road the original first blocking car was encountered along the roadworks. It is well along that stretch and also quite far from any side entrance or driveway (in case it did indeed come out of an uncontrolled side). Hence, you going through on amber had nothing to do with contributing to the situation that followed.
Anyhow, well done for such an intelligently made follow-up Sir!
First time I watched it the original, I already agree with everything you’ve said in this update 👍🏻
Thanks for the update to make others on a witch hunt realise it’s all about road awareness. Nothing more.
The light at the other end of the road works should stay red long enough to allow cars, that drove passed a green or amber light, to clear from the affected stretch of road. Maybe it wasn't configured properly.
I very rarely comment but I would just like to take the time to thank you for your videos they helped me pass yesterday with only 3 minors all for going to slow.
After watching this, I realised my initial judgment about evading the amber light was wrong. Thank you for posting this, it appears that the dash cam lens does indeed distort the real image.
I commented on the last video re the amber so please ignore. I was going by the 2.4 secs to the light. You seem to be a brilliant instructor.
I agree with you; the dashcam does give the perception of a greater distance to events than that of reality; due to the lens distortion. It also gives the impression of a higher speed for the same reason. I do travel videos including clips from a camera mounted on my vehicle. When I include these slips I slow the clip speed to 90 percent to give a more realistic speed. I use a Gopro Hero 7 Black with a 'wide' setting.
Great video. Well done for facing this question head-on. I’m not a professional driver, but I agree 100%. The lights changed after the learner driver was already committed, and breaking hard would have finished well after the imaginary stop-line as well as being a risk to following drivers.
Very good video, well explained.
Now, that was a great argument!
Great video
Well explained
Kudo's to you and the learner.
You are absolutely right Ashley Neal
This is basically the same reason why rear-view mirrors have that text about objects appearing further away than they actually are.
Love your videos. Very informative, even though I passed 3 weeks ago, it's good to have some extra knowledge. Not sure if you do request videos, but I live in Runcorn and I'm wondering if you could do a video of the new mersey crossing bridge knowing what each lane is for and if and when you can overtake and from which lane. Hope this makes sense. Thank you
Stubble detail is on point Ashley.
Although I wasn't in the car with you it is difficult to judge as a viewer how you felt at the time to want to go through Amber. Maybe the car was too close behind and as I said the idiots didn't help who jumped the red.
Only reason I pointed it out before is because when I was taught to drive, my instructor told me if it's been green for a while then I should expect it to turn Amber so keep the brake in mind. It gives you plenty of time then to react if they suddenly turn Amber.
If anyone worries about tailgaiters, go through Amber roughly 10mtrs but if they turn and you're roughly 25-30mtrs then slowly brake to a stop. Don't let them make you risk running a red, just be prepared.
The units I've mentioned BTW are only estimates, it will obviously differ at different speeds.
Thanks for the video Ashley.
Absolutely first class explanation of events. obviously the lights at the opposite end of the road works are set to change to soon.
Very well made point about how dash cam mounted high and far forward on the windscreen sees so differently to the human eye of the driver sitting further back and lower down. I personally saw no fault in the learner car continuing through an amber in that situation. The oncoming traffic however, there's no way they went through on anything but red! 😵
glad that you explained this!
Very informative I had my doubts on the on the distance but this made things clear. Also top driving on the students stand point as well hope they have passed their test already
As simple as it sounds. Counting the white lines is a great way of gauging distance.
Interesting video that. I'd say that the first one, out of the hundreds of dashcam channels & videos, that has explained the range and distortion of perspective a dashcam records. 👍
Back when I was taking lessons, I had a good lecture from my instructor for breaking somewhat harshly to an amber light. Cars behind may end up in an emergency break scenario which itself can cause an accident.
Very good analysis & spot on about the way the dashcam lens changes perspective. You & your student did everything right. Did you go back & check the phasing/timing of those lights to confirm it was indeed red-light jumpers rather than badly set up traffic signals?
Thank you so much for showing these perspectives. I'm constantly trying to defend myself about how close tailgaters are to me but dashacams show them so much further away than they really are. Apparently it's just an excuse we use when we think someone is too close. This video shows the differences so well 🙂👌👍