Excellent jam. I've always wanted a TR-909. Couldn't afford one when I was on paper round. Can't justify the cost, now. But I have got a Behringer RD-9 on pre-order. If that comes close to the 909 experience, I'll be a happy lad.
MOOG MUG! Thoroughly enjoyed this - thank you - very well made video! Each one gets better. Esp liked the chords from the Minitaur and the slowed-down delays at the end...
Thank you! finaly someone that makes nice to watch video's of the dawless analog setup with explanations and nice techno. Gives me lots of new inspiration!
@@AnalogKitchen Sequentix?! The Kurzweil sequencer works as well as that thing for MIDI/CV applications.(not analog of course) & the original Cirklon is goin' for ridiculous prices don't know (much) about their newer stuff not my bag man thanx dude.
Your video's have to be some of the best and most inspiring on RUclips, I love your hypnotic style and work flow! I have recently bought a few bits of gear. The Model:Cycles, Td3 & I've got the MC303. I wanna create a 45 minute set, and base it on the stuff you do, its quality. Thank you
You can do it! Don't overthink. And understand the pattern needs to be the carrier for something else. Master your bass lines and you'll improve your beats faster
High quality content as always. Your skill to program patterns and make them all work well together is sick. Have you tried Roland Cloud TR-909? Interesting to know how it compares to the real thing.
I have not. I know the samples are amazing. The thing with the 909 though is the timing. That makes up a ot of the sound impact so this is something I believe might be hard to copy
@@AnalogKitchen The Cloud 909 uses modelling for the analogue parts of the TR-909. For some reason it's harder to make cut through the mix. Anthony Rother gave up on Roland's digital emulations because of that. The Cloud 909 sounds legit on first impression, though - much more legit than the other 909 VSTs out there. It would be really interesting if you could compare the Cloud 909 to the real deal, I'm sure such video would be of huge interest. You can subscribe to the Roland Cloud free of charge for a trial month and cancel your subscription without making any actual payment.
The sound engineers at Roland went down to the storage room and found the actual cymbals that was used to make the samples for the 909, so that they could resample the cymbals for the tr-8. I mean, you have to feel a bit smug after something like that... Internet: NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
would love to see more about how you use the launch control. Looking for something to tie all my stuff together and easily tweak sounds on MpC live without constantly menu diving. it works without a computer?
Hey brother! Thanks for watching. Unfortunately covid has rattled the electronics industry to a point where getting parts is either impossible or unreasonably expensive. Some parts went from 12cents to 10€ because of short demand. I will at some point revive it, but for now my techs are crying and telling me they can’t make it work😔
Good question! It's not the master as it get's its own midi pulse from the ER-M. The answer though is YES. A big fat yes. The 909 is for its imperfect, (and therefor) amazing groove. Not too loose, not too tight. And never, never ever predictable. This is something modern day boxes like drumbrute, tr8, tr8s etc all have unfortunately. You need a bit of inconsistency on your drums. Preferably inaudible but just enough. That's the 909 for ya!
@@AnalogKitchen I asked myself this very same question, too. I regard the 909 as the main driving force of my setup. So it naturally should be the master clock. That being said, I also have an E-RM Multiclock which by design kinda "wants" to be the master clock. And then I utilize an Akkai MPC 2000 XL, which unfortunately has a bug where you can't re-assign the destination for its note-variation slider while the unit is synced to an external MIDI clock. And I would like to use that. I can control for instance the tuning of a certain pad/sample and may want to change that during operation. I mean, I could stop the MPC's channel on the Multiclock, re-assign the fader and put it in play mode again. That needs a tad more time AND stops all sounds coming from the MPC so a move like that needs to be well-integrated into the performance. --- I really just wonder how the groove of the 909 is affected by syncing it to an external clock. It does feel solid as a sync slave, too. And then, does it make a difference if the 909 is being fed MIDI clock or DIN sync? Mine is V1 and I don't see much sense in upgrading it to V4 just because it may have hiccups using MIDI as a sync source. It looses the ability to save and load via Tape Memory jacks. So I sync the 909 with DIN sync. I am very aware of the nuances in both timing and sound and also appreciate that very much. I am totally with you on that in contrast to modern machines. Nothing beats a 909 for Techno and House, that's why I pulled the trigger and finally got one. I checked all the existing alternatives and went straight for the original in the end. Did not regret that purchase a single second. That machine really is fire. After that experience, I could not resist getting an 808, too. Same result. Sounds so pleasant and present at the same time. Really impressive.
What is a shame is that we become the nitpicking few that are deemed ‘purist’ because we might have a thing or two to think about B-Winger and their clone wars. Maybe I’m just old. But growing up with listening to Mantronix, Herbie Hancock, Afrika Bambataa, Kraftwerk, Model 500, Depeche Mode, Vince Clark etc leaves an impression. And coming close is never the same as being original. There is a reason why the sounds sit the way they sit within a track. There is a reason why certain things relate to a certain groove and one of the most important things I’ve learned is that the groove of anything is in between the drums. That the relation of a groove measure is determined by its relation to another measure. So just copying the same trick is not the same feeling. Even if you numb the audience not to listen for it as if it’s not important. (Rant mode off). V4 does a significant other thing to the 909 so you might want to still consider sticking that eeprom on there. The multiclock does not ‘straighten’ the 909 as I believe it’s like Excalibur and can only be wielded by particularity. The sync cycles it gets leaves enough room for the 909 to breath. As a matter a fact, the MPC live has a harder time trying to adapt to the Er-m. I guess electronica listens better than zero’s and one’s.
@@AnalogKitchen Yes, I checked some demos of the b-winger machines and hardly can stand them. And I don't have to, so I turn them off quickly. The behaviour // ethics of that company is not to my liking either. It actually does not surprise me that a newer MPC has problems on the MIDI side. One has to keep in mind that Akai now has nothing to do with the Akai that brought us the MPC in the first place. Roger Linn and Akai split after the 3000. I've had awful experiences with an MPC 1000, which was really the start of the decline. I regard the 3000 as the best, both in sound and stable timing. Build quality is superb, too. But it lacks one feature that I really use a lot. The ability to mute/solo tracks from the 16 pads. So I went with an MPC 2000 XL, after many years of owning a classic 2000. Got both of them new when they came out. Can you please specify the "significant other thing" that the v4-update offers? I'm glad I discovered your channel. Really enjoy what you are doing! :-) --- Edit: I also have an empty pattern on the 16th button, hehe. Pattern 15 on the other hand is a for-to-the-floor-kick drum only pattern on my 909. I have thought about doing what you do with different versions of the same pattern. I have to think about a backup strategy // pattern management // export.import anyways as the first bank is completely filled now. Just disovered the second bank, but that's already 2/3rds full, too :-D I do utilize an external mixing console because I liked external summing better than the 909's internal summing plus all the possibilites I get when using individual outputs. I basically use the board as a pattern variation tool. You may check out a test video I did some months ago: ruclips.net/video/6krBb7jRrl0/видео.html
Hey Sonik. Well, I make it a thing to not compress or eq the sounds. So I prefer to keep my sounds raw and work with listening and leveling sounds in. Perhaps in the future… Never say never
@@Sonikbytes I know. As a matter a fact, I’ve got my studio stuffed with urei, avalon, chandler and daking comps. Even a nice small compressor like the FNC sounds awesome. I have however said when I started this project that (to not over complicate things) I’d have to listen carefully to what sounds I would pick. And since every room behaves differently and levels keep changing, I’d prefer to focus on performance first instead of worrying about the sound. It’s not a big thing for others but that would be for me
So many flavours there! Generally I would start to look at 4OP(erator) ones. The Digitone packs a punch with its sequencing but personally I prefer the old stuff sonically more. For instance the Digitone has substractive Filters in it which takes away from learning to utilise what Fm Synthesis stands for IMO, like controlling brightness through the operator Levels etc.; One of the classics are the Yamaha TX81z/DX11, nice because you get different waveforms. I started programming from the front panel but a Programmer or controller is recommended. The sound is INSANE on these. Such colourful and expressive Tones. There is the new Mega FM which is based on the old Sega Megadrive chip: gritty!! Hands on controls but not as wide range as the Yamaha’s IMO. So more one trick ponyish. Another new one with good programming, modern features and very punchy is the Reface DX, powerful! Last but not least the new Korg OPSix, might be a bit overkill as it’s very deep but def has that sound. If you got an iPad FM4 is a good app recreating that DX11 vibe. You see, lots to choose from but in the end you’ll do nothing wrong jumping into the wierd FM tones!! Programming is fun and you’ll have many wtff moments. It can do disgustingly digital to very warm, naturalist sounds. Feel free to whenever shoot me a msg and I can def send you some recourses about it!! Best
Great video great to see someone else’s dawless work flow , I’m using a similar setup however 909 is outta my league I’m using a TR8s, really enjoyed hearing all that kit work together, keep it up man 👌
Fantastic. I'm always inspired watching your videos. I love how you start off with a simple groove and build it into a full on boogie behind the dustbins.
hello and super job man. 1 question, can you tell me the sound difference between the tr909 and the 909 sets in the tr6s or 8s for that matter. thanks in advance and keep up with your super work
@@AnalogKitchen LOL I see what you mean! I was thinking though, essentially midi over usb would remove the (is it notation) mixer usb controller but still enable audio level signal processing. Just a thought.
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I see u have the mpc live, is it better than mpc one u think?
I see u have also bought an analog factory, mines in the same spot in my studio 😄
@@turfoid7899 yes imho. The extra outputs do make a difference if you use it as the hub which you build everything around
@@turfoid7899 hahaha. It’s serving as a midi keyboard now
@@turfoid7899 output wise yes! Software is the same though
Loved your 909 workflow. Create a palette then paint a masterpiece. The build just before the end was epic. Can't wait for next week.
Thank you so much! See you on the next!
you have the rythme in the body good Works and the musical feeling !!! nice song
thank you Seb
I think you love Detroit bro. Thanks for this nice video! :D
You bet! I do! Thanks for watching!
great video!
Thanks for the visit
Excellent jam. I've always wanted a TR-909. Couldn't afford one when I was on paper round. Can't justify the cost, now. But I have got a Behringer RD-9 on pre-order. If that comes close to the 909 experience, I'll be a happy lad.
It's close enough, looking at the comparison vids. i was lucky enough to be around when no one wanted one! thanks for watching!
The RD9 is awesome, received mine a month ago (i was very lucky), and i just can't stop playing with it.
MOOG MUG! Thoroughly enjoyed this - thank you - very well made video! Each one gets better. Esp liked the chords from the Minitaur and the slowed-down delays at the end...
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Thank you! finaly someone that makes nice to watch video's of the dawless analog setup with explanations and nice techno. Gives me lots of new inspiration!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Very nice tutorials.
Thanks you for watching!
Yeah Octatrack & 909 together awesome dude.
It doesn’t get more techno than that. Well maybe a circlon might doe the trick
@@AnalogKitchen Sequentix?! The Kurzweil sequencer works as well as that thing for MIDI/CV applications.(not analog of course) & the original Cirklon is goin' for ridiculous prices don't know (much) about their newer stuff not my bag man thanx dude.
Your video's have to be some of the best and most inspiring on RUclips, I love your hypnotic style and work flow! I have recently bought a few bits of gear. The Model:Cycles, Td3 & I've got the MC303. I wanna create a 45 minute set, and base it on the stuff you do, its quality. Thank you
Wow, thank you! Great to hear! Let me know how your setup goes! Be sure to enroll if you want to know more on www.analogcourses.com
That’s how I know it’s Friday. Great video again
Glad you like it Jerome!
Nice one
Thanks 🔥
i love u and ur videos. i use only one synth and one drum machine (digitakt+digitone) but all ur tips are super helpful. best regards from warsaw!
Glad you like them! Nazdarovya
Excellent drum patterns! 😍😍 I try to program patterns every day but I'm far from your level 😁
You can do it! Don't overthink. And understand the pattern needs to be the carrier for something else. Master your bass lines and you'll improve your beats faster
Nice jam Analog!
Thanks for listening
909 is a monster, but what do you think about Roland TR8S, good "replacement"?
Replacement? No. But don't aim to replace. Aim to make kick-ass beats so in that sense: YES!
High quality content as always. Your skill to program patterns and make them all work well together is sick.
Have you tried Roland Cloud TR-909? Interesting to know how it compares to the real thing.
I have not. I know the samples are amazing. The thing with the 909 though is the timing. That makes up a ot of the sound impact so this is something I believe might be hard to copy
@@AnalogKitchen The Cloud 909 uses modelling for the analogue parts of the TR-909. For some reason it's harder to make cut through the mix. Anthony Rother gave up on Roland's digital emulations because of that. The Cloud 909 sounds legit on first impression, though - much more legit than the other 909 VSTs out there. It would be really interesting if you could compare the Cloud 909 to the real deal, I'm sure such video would be of huge interest. You can subscribe to the Roland Cloud free of charge for a trial month and cancel your subscription without making any actual payment.
what tempo is that at?
128
Think about Masterclass Grate tutorial 💪
Thank you 🙌
awesome. a vocal would fit that beat well too. thank you!
I think so too! I might do that in the final production!
Fucking awesome!!
wait for tonight's one! ruclips.net/video/wHkw_-qio6g/видео.html
@@AnalogKitchen Ok! Keep going please! I like your work and very old school atmosphere. Thank you! ✌️
Like n sub. Good shit hoss!
Welcome aboard brother🎼🎹
👏👏👏👏
Thanks for watching brother!!
The sound engineers at Roland went down to the storage room and found the actual cymbals that was used to make the samples for the 909, so that they could resample the cymbals for the tr-8.
I mean, you have to feel a bit smug after something like that...
Internet: NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Hahahaha. Epic!
Not just about the samples but also the analog filters and vca after them in the OG 909
Killer 909 groove. I love watching you cook.
Enjoy! Stay tuned for more if you’re hungry!
RYTM 8 is great too
I’ve not messed with that yet! I’ll look into it!
Great knobs with that mixer !! No wobble and I’m in, also multitrack would be great !
Great suggestions! thanks for that1
would love to see more about how you use the launch control. Looking for something to tie all my stuff together and easily tweak sounds on MpC live without constantly menu diving. it works without a computer?
Yes it most certainly does! Powered off the bus and ready to roll. I might run it as a topic for future videos
My favorite music channel on RUclips! Thanks! Any update on your mixer development project?
Hey brother! Thanks for watching. Unfortunately covid has rattled the electronics industry to a point where getting parts is either impossible or unreasonably expensive. Some parts went from 12cents to 10€ because of short demand. I will at some point revive it, but for now my techs are crying and telling me they can’t make it work😔
I very rarely comment but absolutely loved this video, you've earned yourself a sub and Patreon, sir!
Welcome aboard! Thanks for supporting!
@@AnalogKitchen I'm just up the road in Amsterdam, hopefully can catch you live before too long now once things have settled down a bit more
Awesome video again
Good question! It's not the master as it get's its own midi pulse from the ER-M. The answer though is YES. A big fat yes. The 909 is for its imperfect, (and therefor) amazing groove. Not too loose, not too tight. And never, never ever predictable. This is something modern day boxes like drumbrute, tr8, tr8s etc all have unfortunately. You need a bit of inconsistency on your drums. Preferably inaudible but just enough. That's the 909 for ya!
@@AnalogKitchen I asked myself this very same question, too. I regard the 909 as the main driving force of my setup. So it naturally should be the master clock. That being said, I also have an E-RM Multiclock which by design kinda "wants" to be the master clock. And then I utilize an Akkai MPC 2000 XL, which unfortunately has a bug where you can't re-assign the destination for its note-variation slider while the unit is synced to an external MIDI clock. And I would like to use that. I can control for instance the tuning of a certain pad/sample and may want to change that during operation. I mean, I could stop the MPC's channel on the Multiclock, re-assign the fader and put it in play mode again. That needs a tad more time AND stops all sounds coming from the MPC so a move like that needs to be well-integrated into the performance.
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I really just wonder how the groove of the 909 is affected by syncing it to an external clock. It does feel solid as a sync slave, too. And then, does it make a difference if the 909 is being fed MIDI clock or DIN sync? Mine is V1 and I don't see much sense in upgrading it to V4 just because it may have hiccups using MIDI as a sync source. It looses the ability to save and load via Tape Memory jacks. So I sync the 909 with DIN sync.
I am very aware of the nuances in both timing and sound and also appreciate that very much. I am totally with you on that in contrast to modern machines. Nothing beats a 909 for Techno and House, that's why I pulled the trigger and finally got one. I checked all the existing alternatives and went straight for the original in the end. Did not regret that purchase a single second. That machine really is fire. After that experience, I could not resist getting an 808, too. Same result. Sounds so pleasant and present at the same time. Really impressive.
What is a shame is that we become the nitpicking few that are deemed ‘purist’ because we might have a thing or two to think about B-Winger and their clone wars. Maybe I’m just old. But growing up with listening to Mantronix, Herbie Hancock, Afrika Bambataa, Kraftwerk, Model 500, Depeche Mode, Vince Clark etc leaves an impression.
And coming close is never the same as being original. There is a reason why the sounds sit the way they sit within a track. There is a reason why certain things relate to a certain groove and one of the most important things I’ve learned is that the groove of anything is in between the drums. That the relation of a groove measure is determined by its relation to another measure. So just copying the same trick is not the same feeling. Even if you numb the audience not to listen for it as if it’s not important. (Rant mode off).
V4 does a significant other thing to the 909 so you might want to still consider sticking that eeprom on there. The multiclock does not ‘straighten’ the 909 as I believe it’s like Excalibur and can only be wielded by particularity. The sync cycles it gets leaves enough room for the 909 to breath. As a matter a fact, the MPC live has a harder time trying to adapt to the Er-m. I guess electronica listens better than zero’s and one’s.
@@AnalogKitchen Yes, I checked some demos of the b-winger machines and hardly can stand them. And I don't have to, so I turn them off quickly. The behaviour // ethics of that company is not to my liking either.
It actually does not surprise me that a newer MPC has problems on the MIDI side. One has to keep in mind that Akai now has nothing to do with the Akai that brought us the MPC in the first place. Roger Linn and Akai split after the 3000. I've had awful experiences with an MPC 1000, which was really the start of the decline. I regard the 3000 as the best, both in sound and stable timing. Build quality is superb, too. But it lacks one feature that I really use a lot. The ability to mute/solo tracks from the 16 pads. So I went with an MPC 2000 XL, after many years of owning a classic 2000. Got both of them new when they came out.
Can you please specify the "significant other thing" that the v4-update offers?
I'm glad I discovered your channel. Really enjoy what you are doing! :-)
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Edit: I also have an empty pattern on the 16th button, hehe. Pattern 15 on the other hand is a for-to-the-floor-kick drum only pattern on my 909. I have thought about doing what you do with different versions of the same pattern. I have to think about a backup strategy // pattern management // export.import anyways as the first bank is completely filled now. Just disovered the second bank, but that's already 2/3rds full, too :-D
I do utilize an external mixing console because I liked external summing better than the 909's internal summing plus all the possibilites I get when using individual outputs. I basically use the board as a pattern variation tool.
You may check out a test video I did some months ago: ruclips.net/video/6krBb7jRrl0/видео.html
i saw you last night, great sound man!!!
Thanks for watching! Glad you like it!!
would love to see how you would use, wire up analog compressors (alesis 3630 comes to mind ;) with your drum machines go get that tight extra kick
Hey Sonik. Well, I make it a thing to not compress or eq the sounds. So I prefer to keep my sounds raw and work with listening and leveling sounds in. Perhaps in the future… Never say never
@@AnalogKitchen fair enough keep it simple :)
Well for live, yes. In the studio it’s a different thing!
@@AnalogKitchen it can be used as sound designing tool not only mastering. The use of side chaining for pumping effect is common technique in EDM
@@Sonikbytes I know. As a matter a fact, I’ve got my studio stuffed with urei, avalon, chandler and daking comps. Even a nice small compressor like the FNC sounds awesome. I have however said when I started this project that (to not over complicate things) I’d have to listen carefully to what sounds I would pick. And since every room behaves differently and levels keep changing, I’d prefer to focus on performance first instead of worrying about the sound. It’s not a big thing for others but that would be for me
I mean no harm but you NEED to get on that FM game brother!! Cool vid and flow 🎏
I prolly should... Digitone comes to mind... What says you?
So many flavours there! Generally I would start to look at 4OP(erator) ones. The Digitone packs a punch with its sequencing but personally I prefer the old stuff sonically more. For instance the Digitone has substractive Filters in it which takes away from learning to utilise what Fm Synthesis stands for IMO, like controlling brightness through the operator Levels etc.; One of the classics are the Yamaha TX81z/DX11, nice because you get different waveforms. I started programming from the front panel but a Programmer or controller is recommended. The sound is INSANE on these. Such colourful and expressive Tones. There is the new Mega FM which is based on the old Sega Megadrive chip: gritty!! Hands on controls but not as wide range as the Yamaha’s IMO. So more one trick ponyish. Another new one with good programming, modern features and very punchy is the Reface DX, powerful! Last but not least the new Korg OPSix, might be a bit overkill as it’s very deep but def has that sound.
If you got an iPad FM4 is a good app recreating that DX11 vibe.
You see, lots to choose from but in the end you’ll do nothing wrong jumping into the wierd FM tones!! Programming is fun and you’ll have many wtff moments. It can do disgustingly digital to very warm, naturalist sounds. Feel free to whenever shoot me a msg and I can def send you some recourses about it!!
Best
Great as always. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it Eric!
While it’s unlikely I’ll ever own an original TR-909, it is a very fun and educational video nonetheless! Thanks!
32:37 ow yeah
Glad you like it! More to come!
Great video great to see someone else’s dawless work flow , I’m using a similar setup however 909 is outta my league I’m using a TR8s, really enjoyed hearing all that kit work together, keep it up man 👌
Thank you for watching James!
Man, love that flow and sounds!!!! Subbed
Thank for being here mate!!
Fantastic. I'm always inspired watching your videos. I love how you start off with a simple groove and build it into a full on boogie behind the dustbins.
Glad you like them! and the more I dive in, the crazier it becomes! Thank you for watching Richard!
I like your videos very much.
I can watch for hours.
Wow, thank you! Thanks for being here!
hello and super job man. 1 question, can you tell me the sound difference between the tr909 and the 909 sets in the tr6s or 8s for that matter. thanks in advance and keep up with your super work
a lot. but mainly the way the groove is on the original. check out the comparison videos out there. there are a lot of vs vids
@@AnalogKitchen thanks man. I bet you already know what I have in my mini studio
So the big question… the new mixer of yours….. will it have audio over usb to work with th mpc…? Great vid as ever!
Hey Dot, we prefer to keep things analog at the moment
@@AnalogKitchen LOL I see what you mean! I was thinking though, essentially midi over usb would remove the (is it notation) mixer usb controller but still enable audio level signal processing. Just a thought.
Classic!! 🙌🙌🙌
thanks for checking brother!