"A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts" and "When the Earth starts to settle, God throws a stone at it, and believe me, he's winding up.” Are two of the best quotes in the mcu
Kieron Campion Don’t forget about Ultron’s great exchange with Natasha: “I’ve thought a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom. The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man. I was meant to be new. I was meant to be beautiful. People would have looked up to the sky and seen hope. Seen mercy. Now they will look up in horror because of you.” And the follow up to the meteor line where Ultron talks about the Avengers being his meteor and how “the Earth will crack with the weight of their failure.” I think these two lines combined with the quote you mentioned really shows the conflict between the Avengers (status quo) and Ultron (evolution). I also think on a more personal level that these ideas are showcased within Steve (status quo) and Tony (evolution), and sets the conflict that comes to a head in Civil War.
You get hurt, hurt 'em back. You get killed…walk it off. and It doesn't matter what you did, or what you were. If you go out there, you fight, and you fight to kill. Stay in here, you're good, I'll send your brother to come find you, but if you step out that door, you are an Avenger. Also two of my favourites
"I'm glad you asked that, because I wanted to take this time to explain my evil plan" "How were you guys planning on beating that? Together. We'll lose. Then we'll do that together, too"
Age of Ultron is surprisingly, a great, and almost straight-up sequel to The Avengers. We had 3 films between this and the first, following Captain America, Ironman, or Thor, and although watching those would help flesh out these characters and this universe some more, this film expertly brings you right in and continues with aspects of the first Avengers. For one, Vision's creation, being a mix of Bruce and Tony's brilliance, Jarvis, Dr. Helen Cho's cradle, Vibrantum, and tying it in: the Mind Stone, from Loki's Scepter. I do want to add, and like that Vision seems to add himself a cape because of Thor. Now as for Ultron himself, he's awesome because of his twisted morality, but yet very much like an offspring of Tony Stark, even with similar personality traits and even quipping as he does. And due to his creators, Ultron is also a genius and employs that ability in his strategy to try and kill off humanity, and to recruit the twins, who I find neat that they were enhanced by the mind stone's power, and also that they have a natural; or understandable, vendetta against Stark. It's impressive we come to like the two by the end when they choose to be heroes and help combat Ultron. Speaking of which, the action is also a huge plus here, particularly The Hulk versus the Hulk Buster; thanks to Wanda, or also the Cap versus Ultron fight, starting on the road and ending on the train scene. Another major and unique thing I want to mention about his one is the Bruce/Natasha relationship stuff, that works for me; but I don't think the idea was really established well enough before this movie, and although I don't dislike the Banner/Romanoff relationship stuff, it's a subplot that doesn't need to be there; using that time to slow down the story beats a bit would've helped greatly, because this is a great story, but simply doesn't get its time to breathe at times. All in all, it's a great companion piece to the first Avenger movie while feeling different too. And also great is: this has more obvious ideology battles between Cap and Ironman. It's awesome how much this series left breadcrumbs for the Civil War storyline. It's an 8/10. I will add; Whedon's humor, similarly as it did in the first, still brings the film down a bit for me. Sidenote; that's an awesome little touch, in a blink and you miss it moment, that Clint gave his son the middle name "Pietro" after Quicksilver, and his sacrifice that saved Hawkeye.
Bruce's vision when he's affected by Scarlet Witch is him realizing that he doesn't have any more solo films down the line. I say this in jest, of course.
As for who the public thinks created Ultron, it should be noted that all the Sub-Ultrons were already designed and somewhat completed by Hydra in the lab because Strucker was already working on some sort of AI. So it could be assumed that the people think Ultron is a Hydra creation. Still doesn’t excuse Tony for keeping it a secret from the world.
59:10 - 59:17 Tony Stark (from Civil War): "Then we had to mop up Hydra. Then Ultron, my fault." 1:01:35 - 1:01:38 Actually it was Scarlet Witch who pulled out his mechanical heart, not Ultron himself.
Mindd Kidzag Tony says that to other Avengers. I can't tell if anyone else knows. You'd think Ross would bring it up as a main talking point for the Accords rather than just instances of collateral damage.
Hello Geekvolution Captain Logan great job on Age of Ultron, i kind of surpass that you didn't know that the title of Age of Ultron title was taken same book of same name by written by Brian Michael Bendis here's link to wiki of the comic storyline en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Ultron and another thing i was surpass didn't touch the handle of Hydra aftermath and why we're not talking about why Banner has talk about Betty ross are those two still together or marvel just did n;t want to follow up that relationship.Its weird people has mention he used to have relationship with another woman that helped him through his only solo movie and trying tell him can control his monster with in him.
Andres The Pop Culture Guy Channel Presents I never assumed the title was because of the comic event. I always wondered if they weren't titled together as a synergy strategy. I meant to talk about Hydra aftermath and Strucker getting killed off right away but I forgot about it.
Hello Captain Logan no problem happy to bring up unique tribute about the title and no worries i mean the Hydra aftermath and strucker thing as Eric in marvel Mania is just the long of Marvel studios bizarre let-down or not satisfied living up that paid up that was set up from the other Marvel studio movie
This film has its share of problems, but ultimately I think its interesting ideas and what it says about the characters is enough to make it worthwhile to me. It’s denser than the first film while still feeling like an entertaining blockbuster. There’s definitely a lot to analyze here and it makes for an engaging experience.
I think it was a mistake to try and do both the Maximoff twins and the Vision in one in addition to all the other stuff going on. It really should have been one or the other.
I always saw the movie as being fairly explicit about how Wanda’s visions were playing on their greatest fears. When the word “fear” is in her dialogue I think we’re meant to make that assumption.
The Ponderer Right, but I don't know if she actually knows what she's showing them, if she knows if what she's putting in their heads is real or fictitious, or what makes certain visions premonitions and others memories, etc. It's not like Scarecrow fear toxin where it shows you what you're most scared of, period. When Wanda does it, it's sometimes predictive, and somehow Thor can tell that what he's seeing is real and he can trust it. It's ultra vague and real plot devicey.
I'm just going to say it: this is my favorite MCU film (so far, at least). And you have done a superb job breaking down the many, many moving parts which are what I admire so much about it.
I always loved this film. I know it catches a lot of flack from folks, but it really worked for me. Great work, Cap. Loved it. I think the issue with Thor came from the fact that nothing really happened in "The Dark World". Who is Thor after that film? Why is he a different person from who and what he was at the start of that story? Is he even different? Because nothing of any real consequence happened in "Dark World", be it plot-wise or character-wise, Whedon didn't have much to go on. I can understand that. Moreover? Ultron is a criminally underrated villain. Loved what Whedon and Spader did with him, and it's a shame that he didn't work with most audiences. A sincerely excellent film bad guy. Might I recommend bobvids' video: Everything Wrong With "Everything Wrong With Avengers: Age of Ultron"? Its great. watch?v=q5YWVne9pDE&t=14s
The problem with Ultron as a character is that on top of being too jokey, he was honestly one of the least effective villains in the MCU. Not once did I actually buy that any of the Avengers were in any actual danger from this guy.
Well it certainly didn't feel like they were in constant danger considering how they basically thwarted him at every turn and smashed him to pieces over and over again. All they needed from Vision was to disconnect him from the net. As soon as that happened, They just smashed his bodies over and over again until he was gone for good.
He at no point handed the Avengers their asses. He fought Iron Man for awhile before getting blasted apart again while Wanda basically did all the heavy lifting.
So basically, Wanda beat the Avengers is what your saying. Either way, I wouldn't exactly call it a "shining example" for Ultron, especially since the Avengers get over it pretty easily.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly even right down to the rating. Age of Ultron is an overall ambitious venture into Joss Whedon’s sensibilities as a director and writer but sadly just feels a tad overstuffed as a result. I think what put most people off about Age of Ultron was the advertising in how the film was made out to be a grim superhero epic and that’s really not what we got at all since there’s quips abound and Ultron himself isn’t the most frightening of antagonists considering he’s played up as a bit of a joke by the end. I also don’t think it helps that while Ultron has a fascinating philosophy, his plan really does just boil down to ending the world and blowing everyone up which by this point in the MCU was starting to get old. Cap is right on the money about how Ultron doesn’t feel like one movie material and needed more meat instead of having a short amount of screen time and getting killed off by the end. Also, Quicksilver really did not need to be here, while he has a nice speech about how his and Wanda’s families were killed he just serves the same overall role that Wanda serves except he has much less to do in the overall plot/story except fight against/with the Avengers and just ends up being unnecessary throughout given how his death didn’t seem to have much of an impact on anyone except Scarlet Witch and is kind of ignored altogether by Civil War. The movie certainly gets better on repeat viewings, there’s a lot of nice character beats that pay off and set up, and I definitely enjoy it more as another piece to the puzzle of the larger MCU nowadays but it could’ve have felt less messy and a little more coherent in its approach to trying to tell a full season of TV in just two hours.
Quicksilver's death was in the movie to tie into Ultron's character arc. Ultron thinks he's more evolved than humanity but he succumbs to the same flaw he perceives is in humanity. He says "everyone creates the thing they dread" and he creates everything he dreads. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, who were supposed to tear the Avengers "apart from the inside", end up doing this to him, with Quicksilver's death making Scarlet Witch tear his heart out of him. Also, his ideal body, which was supposed to be his greatest strength turns into his greatest weakness, blocking him from the internet which would allow him to carry his plan out later, and killing him.
That idea is pretty much a no brainer given Ultron’s motivation and how he acts throughout the movie, you don’t really need Quicksilver’s death to make it seem more apparent that Ultron is a contradiction. My point about Quicksilver is that he feels so insignificant compared to everyone else even Thor, who at least wakes up Vision and uncovers the “Infinity Stone conspiracy.”
I understand your complaint about Quicksilver, he is at least shown to have a playful nature, demonstrated by his playful jabs at Hawkeye. I think Whedon did try to add more to the character, as deleted scenes also portray him as a womaniser and a thief.
Great review, cap! Age of Ultron is my personal favourite comic book movie and i'm so glad you didn't trash it like everyone else did. I think it has some of the best villains, themes, and some of the best dialogue these movies have to offer. I don't think it's a movie that can be judged fairly on a first viewing because for all the stuff it does brilliantly, there's too much going on!! It takes at least until the fourth viewing to really start understanding and noticing the little bits. I wanted to comment on two of the things you nitpicked about. Well, you didn't really nitpick about the title but I think the correct interpretation, at least retroactively, is that "Age of Ultron" doesn't describe what happens in the movie. It describes what happens after. Civil War is a direct sequel to Age of Ultron and that movie was a massive shake up for the MCU going forward. Age of Ultron can pretty much be described as the subtitle for Phase 3. The other thing you talked about was how Thor knew the power stone. While I think it was an oversight, the movie does provide a reasonable explanation. We see the power stone in his vision and that implies he knows it's been active recently. My personal gripe is that the movie needed to be about 10-15 minutes longer. We needed at least a scene with Thor and Selvig in the car discussing what the hell they're trying to do or what Thor is thinking at that moment. We never really get inside his head to know how he feels. We needed about 3 scenes with Quicksilver/the twins. I think the one leading up to their first encounter with Ultron when they give clothes to the townsfolk was a really efficient way of introducing them properly. They also needed to actually settle their arc because they sorta brush aside their feud with Stark. I feel like it would be a well deserved 4/4 with those pieces thrown in but as it stands, I understand your 3/4. EDIT: The thing I've just now realized is that the reason took the cradle by truck in South Korea was because he was trying to rush the linking process from his body to the Vision's. He could've easily flown away from South Korea but he thought he could get into the body before or if the Avengers ever got there.
Sif-san Agreed. I love this film as well. There’s so much to discuss and sink your teeth into that I’m able to overlook it’s flaws. Age of Ultron provides such good foundation that what it says about Steve and Tony is a big part of the reason I love Civil War so much.
Sif-san I get that Thor had a vision showing him 4 of the 6 stones like a video game cut scene, but unless he sees more than we do, he doesn't know what happened with it. But like I said, even if that's all he means, it's weird that Steve or Tony don't ask him what he's talking about.
As much as I do like this film, I think it suffers because it tries to be a big blockbuster action film while juggling everything else, since I get a real sense that outside a few moments, Joss Whedon was far less invested in that side of things. The film, I find, tends to grind to a bit of a halt without actually stopping for breath during the action scenes - like, I know people love the Hulkbuster, but I personally found that sequence a drag. Same with the chase for Vision, the fight on the ship, even the opening sequence and end big battles with all the Avengers have moments which I just found a bit dull. Which isn't a problem I had with the first Avengers, or Civil War or Winter Soldier, which all felt like they were making the use of their action sequences as either story progression or big event moments in themselves. In Age of Ultron, they can feel like they're mostly there to tick the boxes.
Standard Tom I feel the exact same way about the action. To piggyback off of what you were saying about the Hulkbuster scene, I think what hurts that is that it’s a big action set piece that comes right after another action set piece in the ship. It hurts the narrative flow because we don’t get much time to catch our breath and build back up to the action. Plus the action tends to suffocate the interesting ideas of the movie, which are the meat of the film.
Ren Davis I completely agree - which is especially tricky given that we're supposed to be processing the visions of Cap, Widow and Thor at the same time. Between that and the fact that the action is often packed with Whedon-esque humour, you can get a bit of a mood whiplash when that scene is supposed to end with them going into hiding and coping with a form of shell-shock from the visions and the Hulk rampage. And what I find interesting is that, from what I remember, people were of the opinion that it was the ideas - Hawkeye's farm, Cap and Tony's arguing, Vision - that actually made the film worth watching. Makes me wonder what film Whedon would have made if he'd known people would react so positively to the stuff he actually wanted to do, instead of worrying about making sure we had more of the same.
Yeah I'm in full agreement with everyone here - the film seems to suffer from trying to serve two masters - the blockbuster good time one and the weighty complicated character story one. One was always going to win out over the other. It's interesting too that the film itself bears its troubled production, as Whedon confessed feeling too much pressure an being "exhausted" by the end of it. "people were of the opinion that it was the ideas that actually made the film worth watching." Count me very much as one of those - my favourite scene is actually the entire farmhouse sequence, since we get a sense of characters here we don't get anywhere else, really. The biggest problem in my book though, of which all the other issues people raise are symptoms, is the lack of time. The movie is not long enough, hence everything is jammed in there with inadequate space to breathe. It's why so many have thought it unmemorable; everything is rushed (the constant comedy does not help either) so that it fails to properly impress upon the audience any of the themes. If it were only 10 minutes longer the effect would have been enormous. The Dark Knight is longer, but it is similarly dense and yet all ideas are well-presented. I've no idea why Whedon was aiming for shorter length this time around, given how much more ambitious it is than the first. The relatively short running time of Infinity War (I've been expecting something closer to 3 hours) is by far my biggest concern going into it, as it's the very epitome of ambitious.
It butchered Ultron and while it wasn't a bad film, it wasn't good. Barely mediocre and being a sequel to honestly a masterpiece (I'm not even that big of a fan of the original avengers but I'll put aside personal taste to give credit where it is due). I think the best correlation is the star wars prequels (not bad films, but in relation to the original trilogy really damages their chances). Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch aren't handled very well and it really started to pull an Amazing Spider-Man or BVS with being too preoccupied in certain senses setting up sequels instead of being its own movie with open aspects to be picked up on later. It was just not a good film unfortunately. This and Guardians of the Galaxy also really started that constant barrage of humor, even if it ruins emotional or shocking moments. Wheedon is really not a good screen writer and he really only has an aptitude for stupid puns and "shock" deaths and strong female characters. Those are only 3 if his overly repetitive tropes.
kollie79 idk I don't hate the prequels. They're flawed but and poorly executed in areas but I find them more mixed than out right bad. Same with this movie. For every bad element there's a good element. Maybe I didn't clarify that well enough but that's just my thoughts
kollie79 Honestly the politics were amazing. I think Lucas spent too much time on it in areas but when you really break it down it's a story of a tyrant infiltrating a democracy and using subterfuge to slowly cause a conflict(s) that frighten the denizens of the universe to the point that they will willingly sacrifice their own freedom(s) in order to attain a sense of security (obviously and sadly a story that happens every day and has happened throughout history and even here in America). He even turns public opinion against the protectors of society and through that puppet mastery we saw the Jedi in a more realistic light, they aren't very proactive and were blinded by their own security or arrogance, as the Sith were absent for millennia. They weren't perfect, but they weren't evil. But I love Anakin's turn on them...they're supposed to be civil servants and through the course of Palpatine's puppetmastery they were manipulated into becoming soldiers, almost becoming the antithesis of what they were described as in the original trilogy without taking it so far that they aren't recognizable as traditionally heroic characters. I like the midichlorians (i know that's blasphemy to star wars fans but I never got the argument that it negates the force...the force was said to be generated by living beings and midichlorians are microscopic organisms possibly being hinted that they are the source of the force (life) kinda like the theory of evolution in this fictional universe). I just think having it being broken down all the way to its smallest parts doesn't harm the mythology in any substantial way...in fact with Yoda's philosophy of size not mattering in ep 5, I think its cool that the littlest things in the universe are the most influential to a force user. I like Anakin's story arc and find it a very beautiful tragedy (at least on the writing level, acting and directing unfortunately not fleshing it out enough) from him being a slave boy to being free man in a substantial position of power, yet he can never save anything that matters to him like his mother or his wife, either because of fate or the restrictions of the Jedi code. I also find his love of padme interesting as he calls her an angel as a child and I always thought that he was maybe (with the force as Qui Gon says) seeing that she will be a part of his liberation/future...granted it would have worked better if her character had been at that point closer to his age.
kollie79 and I'll agree the execution unfortunately wasn't good. I would love to hope Lucas was competent enough to maybe at least have my arguments in his head even if he didn't communicate it to the audience because to fair I honestly don't think I'm stretching too much and not of arrogance but it just to me makes too much sense for the creator to not think it through that profusely but I could he over analyzing. But at least with the new star wars movie I think rian Johnson expanded on my Jedi theory because like seems very quick to want to throw the Jedi order away. Who knows I wasn't there for the writing or production of any of these so i can admit I'm fan speculating.
I remember seeing this film the first time and thinking that it looked like a TV show at points. I compare it to Civil War a lot because I think CW juggled everything effortlessly while AOU feels like it's working so hard to juggle everything that I feel as tired as Whedon did by the end of making it.
In fairness, I think Civil War has less to juggle than AOU does, and like Cap alludes to in the video, CW has the advantage of not actually being a full on ensemble piece.
The Ponderer Agreed. I think a true test to seeing how the Russos juggle everything will be with Infinity War. Although it does get help since it has two films to deal with these characters.
ItsMichaelReid It makes enough sense. Thor has knowledge of the Stones since he’s Asgardian, so it’s enough for me to buy that his godly awareness would react differently to Wanda’s powers to know about about the Power Stone as well as the other three Stones. Especially since Thor talks about the mystic waters showing you what you need to know or something like that. I still don’t see the big deal. As far as plot holes go, this one is so minor as to not even be there.
It might just be a coincidence, but I wonder if the "peace in our time" line was taken from "peace for our time" - a quote from Neville Chamberlain. For those who don't know, he was the British Prime Minister before the Second World War began. Wanting to avoid conflict, he travelled to Germany and tried desperately to get Hitler to sign a treaty that basically said the two countries would never go to war with each other. Eventually he succeeded and returned to the UK to an ecstatic reception, where he gave a speech with the above quote. But sadly, the happiness didn't last long... So in short, he was a person who was trying to prevent disaster, doing everything in his power to do so, only to be caught in what he was trying to avoid. I know the circumstances aren't exactly the same as Tony's... But still - just thought it was interesting to bring up.
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So this is my third favourite mcu film and the third best for me, I love all the character progression and development in this. This also feels like the most personal of the movies to me and I love how closely Ultron relates to the avengers. It works so well as a trilogy with Winter Soldier and Civil war actually, since it builds upon so much from them and it continues on those threads into the next chapter. Hawkeye -finally he got his due and Whedon got to give so much to that character. I loved him since the ultimates and im glad we got to flesh him out alot more. The Bruce and Nat relationship is one of the best in the mcu to me, as It actually makes sense if you think about who they are as people and where theyre coming from. My only negatives are that at certain points the one liners happen a bit too often (especially in the third act and from Ultron himself) those are minor issues though. Yes the studio got involved and hurt the movie (which they’ve done on numerous occasions now to other films) but I really love this film and don’t understand the backlash it got. Maybe people were expecting too much of the first avengers film, but you can never replicate that feeling and im glad Whedon did alot different. It feels like a comic book write off the page put on screen most of the time to me. A fantastic review as always cap
Jeez, I never thought a quarter as hard about this movie than you have here, Cap. Nearly complete with my Capstone Project course, I have an even greater appreciation for the Superhero Rewind series than before. Interestingly, this video reminds me of how shifting and evolving the Marvel Saga has become: in Phase 2, I thought the end game was a "Who Watches the Watchmen" theme but, because of how Phase 3 has built upon those ideas, it's naturally become much more focused on intimate, character-based ideas (friendship, family, personal growth, etc.). And thought it sounds daunting, I seriously look forward to what you have to say about "Civil War".
That's so true about nobody questioning Tony Stark on Ultron's creation, it would be completely safe to assume Tony is linked to Ultron somehow. It initially struck me as quite strange when Tony was so good-humoured and happy at the end of this film, considering he had just inadvertently caused quite a bit of carnage, injuries, and death. However, I later thought it was okay as he was under a lot of pressure to defeat Ultron with the Avengers, and he won, and saved the entire planet. We then see the weight of Tony's actions later affect him in Civil War too. However, we really should've seen what the people of the world were thinking regarding the fallout of Ultron, and any explanations they were given for his creation. I would assume a statement was issued by the Avengers, stating an alien virus hacked Tony's technology, which is the truth and doesn't make Tony look bad. Excellent analysis as always! I actually really love Ultron in this film, I find his character fascinating due to his complexity. I greatly admire Whedon's big ambition with this movie, it's handling so much.
William Parcell Me either. But it's not like it takes up much time. The Scarlet Witch/Vision romance from Civil War works even less imo... they should just leave it with the romance. They just don't have the time to develop anything like that believably...
So Tony was actually leaving the team at the end of the movie? I thought the whole "I will miss you, Tony" was just the band parting ways 'till the next mission. I didn't know he was straight up leaving the team.
So knowing from this life of Clint's that his normal life grounds him, what happens when his entire family vanishes in front of his eyes? Ronin happens.
I will say this: I love the first Avengers because it is a fantastic, fun, colorful, and action packed film. It was the first time we saw everyone together and it was fantastic. I do like Age of Ultron though for seeing them work together as a team. There is no waiting, there they are, being the Avengers.
It's here! I've always seen this movie as Avengers pt. 2 more than Avengers 2. I feel like it keeps the tone of the first movie even though Winter Soldier made the mcu turn a shade darker, and the focus on hawkeye seemed like it was to rectify the fact that he was out for 2/3 of the last one.
I still like the movie overall. I really liked the Hulk and Black widow storyline. It was different. I think the action is great. Decent. The ending battle is badass camera angles. 1000X better than Winter Soldier. I always didn't understand the praise for that film. VERY OVERRATED. I liked Ultron. Scarlett is hot and dangerous. Quicksilver is cool and I like this Silver better than the overrated X-Men version.
always read the hulk/banner divide in the MCU as bruce convinced himself hulk is a different personality and betty ross was right deep down the hulk is him so hulk is a personality unaware hes the same person but share the same body
What is the grade? I cannot watch it yet but I prefer to know the grade beforehand in order to get the feel, positive or negative, of the review better.
This movie is a lot, there's a lot of great character growth, a lot of great visuals, ultron is interesting. This is good. How good? That is the difficult i still to this day can't answer. Its a lot of movie. By the time I'm done, i feel tired. When i think about it, i feel tired, especially when i think about that third act. This movie is good but it's a lot.
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Also I'll state that I don't think you literally need to think of the hulk second hulk as a literal second hulk, just hulk unrestrained, makes sense in its own to me.
I've come across as very hard on this movie before but when all is said and done, It's not a bad movie at all. It's actually quite entertaining and filled with plenty of excellent character moments. If I had to lay out my problems, It would be these. Ultron is a let-down as both a character and a villain (way too much of his dialogue is wasted on jokes and corny humor), The Maximoff twins/Vision aren't fleshed out enough, Thor is underused, The scenes with Hawkeye's family go on too long, The Hulk/Black Widow romance makes no sense, and it repeats too many beats from the first Avengers movie (Villain is a homicidal maniac with daddy issues, The Hulk goes out of control, another doomsday device, the avengers fight another army of disposable drones, Another comedic scene between Hulk and villain) I think the movie just tried to juggle too much honestly. It doesn't fall apart or anything but I think it really could've done with shedding the excess weight so to speak. It felt to me like Joss Whedon struggling to make a movie amidst studio interference and working within the marvel machine.
Spencer Malley Hulk and Black Widow’s relationship makes perfect sense. They’re the monsters of the team with Hulk being a literal monster and Black Widow being someone who was turned into a monster during her training. Their connected tragedy in that sense is what draws them together. Natasha talks about being into Bruce because he’s someone who knows he can win every fight but doesn’t want to because he’s afraid of the consequences. That’s something that appeals to Natasha since violence has consumed most of her life. She’s constantly trying to make up for her monstrous past and become something better. Something noble. This is a thread that tracks from Avengers to Winter Soldier to Age of Ultron. She relates to Bruce because he’s someone that is also trying to run away from the monster inside of him. It’s that shared pain that brings them together, and that’s an interesting angle for their romance. We can argue whether or not the film handled that in the best way possible, but the core dynamic makes sense.
Ren Davis Interesting that's the one point you chose to address from my post. I still wouldn't say it makes "perfect sense" trying to relate being trained as an assassin to turning into a giant green rage monster is a bit too unbelievable for me but I get what you're saying.
Spencer Malley It’s not that interesting. That was the point that was the least subjective. Everything else could easily be distilled down to being a matter of taste. You have some points that I agree with to an extent, but overall I think there’s a lot that just didn’t connect with you. However, you missed the point completely with Hulk and Black Widow. The two of them connecting because they were the monsters of the team was clearly what Whedon was going for. Natasha- “Still think you’re the only monster on the team?” Whether or not you like it is a matter of opinion, but the underlying idea with Hulk and Widow was clear. And I would say having your childhood and humanity taken from you in order to become an efficient killing machine is enough to connect with some one else who literally becomes a monster and loses all control and sense of self. One is a literal monster while the other is a metaphorical monster.
Again, I get what you're saying but I just can't really buy into it. It's definitely not my biggest issue with the film so I don't want to mediate on it too much.
Ren Davis I will say this. Having watched it again, Maybe I was a little hasty in saying their relationship doesn't make sense. I should have said "It doesn't really add much to the movie and it just comes off as awkward".
Great review Cap! A lot of fans give this movie unwarranted hate. I just rewatched Avengers: Age of Ultron and I have to admit I really enjoyed it. Is it as good as the first Avengers? No. But it's still a good movie in my opinion. It's a really fun romp with the same characters I know and love. I think the biggest issue with this movie isn't even the movie itself, but how it was marketing. If you go back and watch the trailers for this movie we were promised a much darker and serious film than we ultimately got. It was advertised like a dark epic. And that's just not what it is. It's just more of what we got in the first movie and I think that's why fans hate it so much. Because they were lied to with false advertising.
All this interesting analysis on the Hulk. I wonder what Thor Ragnarok will do with the character. I'm sure he'll be very well developed. Oh what's that, he's turned into a throwaway joke along with Sakaar and all the possibilities of the Planet Hulk story? Okay.
Man, I tell ya, if Steve Baxi sees that you didn't give this movie 5 stars out of 4, he is going to go and start quoting some random useless philosophy quotes explaining why you're wrong, or maybe a quote from one of his communist heroes, who knows!
I personally like this a lot more than the first. But I will admit, it's the movie that made me realize Tony needs to die. He's a horribly written character
ARC-77 Fordo He stopped using clips because he kept getting copyright strikes. This was the alternative that he settled on because a lot of his audience didn’t mind an audio review.
Movie ultron was the worst it ruined the character he wasn’t a jokeing machine that made references to Pinocchio he was a cold calculating killing machine
Captain, I'm glad you could find a way to sift through all the CGI slime and analyze this movie. I couldn't see it as anything more than a dumpster fire of Whedonspeak and ugly special effects with no characters or story.
Kieron Campion I'm sure Wanda did know him. But none of that was conveyed on screen and she also spent 2/3 of the movie being a bad guy. Why should I feel sorry for her loss? Also, she didn't play a part whatsoever in making ultron
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One does not think about how often rewinds are happening when balancing the universe, but this puts a smile on my face.
"A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts" and
"When the Earth starts to settle, God throws a stone at it, and believe me, he's winding up.”
Are two of the best quotes in the mcu
Kieron Campion
Don’t forget about Ultron’s great exchange with Natasha:
“I’ve thought a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom. The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man. I was meant to be new. I was meant to be beautiful. People would have looked up to the sky and seen hope. Seen mercy. Now they will look up in horror because of you.”
And the follow up to the meteor line where Ultron talks about the Avengers being his meteor and how “the Earth will crack with the weight of their failure.” I think these two lines combined with the quote you mentioned really shows the conflict between the Avengers (status quo) and Ultron (evolution).
I also think on a more personal level that these ideas are showcased within Steve (status quo) and Tony (evolution), and sets the conflict that comes to a head in Civil War.
You get hurt, hurt 'em back. You get killed…walk it off. and It doesn't matter what you did, or what you were. If you go out there, you fight, and you fight to kill. Stay in here, you're good, I'll send your brother to come find you, but if you step out that door, you are an Avenger. Also two of my favourites
great points i never realised that
I like to think that god throwing a stone thing is foreshadowing for Thanos
"I'm glad you asked that, because I wanted to take this time to explain my evil plan"
"How were you guys planning on beating that?
Together.
We'll lose.
Then we'll do that together, too"
Age of Ultron is surprisingly, a great, and almost straight-up sequel to The Avengers. We had 3 films between this and the first, following Captain America, Ironman, or Thor, and although watching those would help flesh out these characters and this universe some more, this film expertly brings you right in and continues with aspects of the first Avengers. For one, Vision's creation, being a mix of Bruce and Tony's brilliance, Jarvis, Dr. Helen Cho's cradle, Vibrantum, and tying it in: the Mind Stone, from Loki's Scepter. I do want to add, and like that Vision seems to add himself a cape because of Thor. Now as for Ultron himself, he's awesome because of his twisted morality, but yet very much like an offspring of Tony Stark, even with similar personality traits and even quipping as he does. And due to his creators, Ultron is also a genius and employs that ability in his strategy to try and kill off humanity, and to recruit the twins, who I find neat that they were enhanced by the mind stone's power, and also that they have a natural; or understandable, vendetta against Stark. It's impressive we come to like the two by the end when they choose to be heroes and help combat Ultron. Speaking of which, the action is also a huge plus here, particularly The Hulk versus the Hulk Buster; thanks to Wanda, or also the Cap versus Ultron fight, starting on the road and ending on the train scene. Another major and unique thing I want to mention about his one is the Bruce/Natasha relationship stuff, that works for me; but I don't think the idea was really established well enough before this movie, and although I don't dislike the Banner/Romanoff relationship stuff, it's a subplot that doesn't need to be there; using that time to slow down the story beats a bit would've helped greatly, because this is a great story, but simply doesn't get its time to breathe at times. All in all, it's a great companion piece to the first Avenger movie while feeling different too. And also great is: this has more obvious ideology battles between Cap and Ironman. It's awesome how much this series left breadcrumbs for the Civil War storyline. It's an 8/10. I will add; Whedon's humor, similarly as it did in the first, still brings the film down a bit for me. Sidenote; that's an awesome little touch, in a blink and you miss it moment, that Clint gave his son the middle name "Pietro" after Quicksilver, and his sacrifice that saved Hawkeye.
Bruce's vision when he's affected by Scarlet Witch is him realizing that he doesn't have any more solo films down the line. I say this in jest, of course.
As for who the public thinks created Ultron, it should be noted that all the Sub-Ultrons were already designed and somewhat completed by Hydra in the lab because Strucker was already working on some sort of AI. So it could be assumed that the people think Ultron is a Hydra creation. Still doesn’t excuse Tony for keeping it a secret from the world.
59:10 - 59:17 Tony Stark (from Civil War): "Then we had to mop up Hydra. Then Ultron, my fault."
1:01:35 - 1:01:38 Actually it was Scarlet Witch who pulled out his mechanical heart, not Ultron himself.
Mindd Kidzag Tony says that to other Avengers. I can't tell if anyone else knows. You'd think Ross would bring it up as a main talking point for the Accords rather than just instances of collateral damage.
Hello Geekvolution Captain Logan great job on Age of Ultron, i kind of surpass that you didn't know that the title of Age of Ultron title was taken same book of same name by written by Brian Michael Bendis here's link to wiki of the comic storyline en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Ultron
and another thing i was surpass didn't touch the handle of Hydra aftermath and why we're not talking about why Banner has talk about Betty ross are those two still together or marvel just did n;t want to follow up that relationship.Its weird people has mention he used to have relationship with another woman that helped him through his only solo movie and trying tell him can control his monster with in him.
Andres The Pop Culture Guy Channel Presents I never assumed the title was because of the comic event. I always wondered if they weren't titled together as a synergy strategy. I meant to talk about Hydra aftermath and Strucker getting killed off right away but I forgot about it.
Hello Captain Logan no problem happy to bring up unique tribute about the title and no worries i mean the Hydra aftermath and strucker thing as Eric in marvel Mania is just the long of Marvel studios bizarre let-down or not satisfied living up that paid up that was set up from the other Marvel studio movie
This film has its share of problems, but ultimately I think its interesting ideas and what it says about the characters is enough to make it worthwhile to me. It’s denser than the first film while still feeling like an entertaining blockbuster. There’s definitely a lot to analyze here and it makes for an engaging experience.
I think it was a mistake to try and do both the Maximoff twins and the Vision in one in addition to all the other stuff going on. It really should have been one or the other.
This is still my favorite super hero film of all time. It is a comic book on the screen. Beautiful.
I always saw the movie as being fairly explicit about how Wanda’s visions were playing on their greatest fears. When the word “fear” is in her dialogue I think we’re meant to make that assumption.
The Ponderer Right, but I don't know if she actually knows what she's showing them, if she knows if what she's putting in their heads is real or fictitious, or what makes certain visions premonitions and others memories, etc. It's not like Scarecrow fear toxin where it shows you what you're most scared of, period. When Wanda does it, it's sometimes predictive, and somehow Thor can tell that what he's seeing is real and he can trust it. It's ultra vague and real plot devicey.
I'm just going to say it: this is my favorite MCU film (so far, at least). And you have done a superb job breaking down the many, many moving parts which are what I admire so much about it.
I always loved this film. I know it catches a lot of flack from folks, but it really worked for me.
Great work, Cap. Loved it.
I think the issue with Thor came from the fact that nothing really happened in "The Dark World".
Who is Thor after that film? Why is he a different person from who and what he was at the start of that story? Is he even different?
Because nothing of any real consequence happened in "Dark World", be it plot-wise or character-wise, Whedon didn't have much to go on. I can understand that.
Moreover? Ultron is a criminally underrated villain. Loved what Whedon and Spader did with him, and it's a shame that he didn't work with most audiences. A sincerely excellent film bad guy.
Might I recommend bobvids' video: Everything Wrong With "Everything Wrong With Avengers: Age of Ultron"? Its great.
watch?v=q5YWVne9pDE&t=14s
The problem with Ultron as a character is that on top of being too jokey, he was honestly one of the least effective villains in the MCU. Not once did I actually buy that any of the Avengers were in any actual danger from this guy.
Well it certainly didn't feel like they were in constant danger considering how they basically thwarted him at every turn and smashed him to pieces over and over again.
All they needed from Vision was to disconnect him from the net. As soon as that happened, They just smashed his bodies over and over again until he was gone for good.
He at no point handed the Avengers their asses. He fought Iron Man for awhile before getting blasted apart again while Wanda basically did all the heavy lifting.
Kieron Campion (facepalm) Basically meaning he didn't beat them at all.
So basically, Wanda beat the Avengers is what your saying.
Either way, I wouldn't exactly call it a "shining example" for Ultron, especially since the Avengers get over it pretty easily.
When Hulk hulks out, it’s an an entity known as Kluh
Wow, you weren't kidding about the last of stills making this process faster!
Right! If we'd known that, we would've let him ditch stills ages ago.
Takes me back to the old days when I was in college and discovered Geekvolution for the first time...
Pretty much my thoughts exactly even right down to the rating. Age of Ultron is an overall ambitious venture into Joss Whedon’s sensibilities as a director and writer but sadly just feels a tad overstuffed as a result. I think what put most people off about Age of Ultron was the advertising in how the film was made out to be a grim superhero epic and that’s really not what we got at all since there’s quips abound and Ultron himself isn’t the most frightening of antagonists considering he’s played up as a bit of a joke by the end.
I also don’t think it helps that while Ultron has a fascinating philosophy, his plan really does just boil down to ending the world and blowing everyone up which by this point in the MCU was starting to get old. Cap is right on the money about how Ultron doesn’t feel like one movie material and needed more meat instead of having a short amount of screen time and getting killed off by the end.
Also, Quicksilver really did not need to be here, while he has a nice speech about how his and Wanda’s families were killed he just serves the same overall role that Wanda serves except he has much less to do in the overall plot/story except fight against/with the Avengers and just ends up being unnecessary throughout given how his death didn’t seem to have much of an impact on anyone except Scarlet Witch and is kind of ignored altogether by Civil War.
The movie certainly gets better on repeat viewings, there’s a lot of nice character beats that pay off and set up, and I definitely enjoy it more as another piece to the puzzle of the larger MCU nowadays but it could’ve have felt less messy and a little more coherent in its approach to trying to tell a full season of TV in just two hours.
Quicksilver's death was in the movie to tie into Ultron's character arc. Ultron thinks he's more evolved than humanity but he succumbs to the same flaw he perceives is in humanity. He says "everyone creates the thing they dread" and he creates everything he dreads. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, who were supposed to tear the Avengers "apart from the inside", end up doing this to him, with Quicksilver's death making Scarlet Witch tear his heart out of him. Also, his ideal body, which was supposed to be his greatest strength turns into his greatest weakness, blocking him from the internet which would allow him to carry his plan out later, and killing him.
That idea is pretty much a no brainer given Ultron’s motivation and how he acts throughout the movie, you don’t really need Quicksilver’s death to make it seem more apparent that Ultron is a contradiction.
My point about Quicksilver is that he feels so insignificant compared to everyone else even Thor, who at least wakes up Vision and uncovers the “Infinity Stone conspiracy.”
I understand your complaint about Quicksilver, he is at least shown to have a playful nature, demonstrated by his playful jabs at Hawkeye. I think Whedon did try to add more to the character, as deleted scenes also portray him as a womaniser and a thief.
Great review, cap! Age of Ultron is my personal favourite comic book movie and i'm so glad you didn't trash it like everyone else did. I think it has some of the best villains, themes, and some of the best dialogue these movies have to offer. I don't think it's a movie that can be judged fairly on a first viewing because for all the stuff it does brilliantly, there's too much going on!! It takes at least until the fourth viewing to really start understanding and noticing the little bits.
I wanted to comment on two of the things you nitpicked about. Well, you didn't really nitpick about the title but I think the correct interpretation, at least retroactively, is that "Age of Ultron" doesn't describe what happens in the movie. It describes what happens after. Civil War is a direct sequel to Age of Ultron and that movie was a massive shake up for the MCU going forward. Age of Ultron can pretty much be described as the subtitle for Phase 3.
The other thing you talked about was how Thor knew the power stone. While I think it was an oversight, the movie does provide a reasonable explanation. We see the power stone in his vision and that implies he knows it's been active recently.
My personal gripe is that the movie needed to be about 10-15 minutes longer. We needed at least a scene with Thor and Selvig in the car discussing what the hell they're trying to do or what Thor is thinking at that moment. We never really get inside his head to know how he feels. We needed about 3 scenes with Quicksilver/the twins. I think the one leading up to their first encounter with Ultron when they give clothes to the townsfolk was a really efficient way of introducing them properly. They also needed to actually settle their arc because they sorta brush aside their feud with Stark.
I feel like it would be a well deserved 4/4 with those pieces thrown in but as it stands, I understand your 3/4.
EDIT: The thing I've just now realized is that the reason took the cradle by truck in South Korea was because he was trying to rush the linking process from his body to the Vision's. He could've easily flown away from South Korea but he thought he could get into the body before or if the Avengers ever got there.
Sif-san
Agreed. I love this film as well. There’s so much to discuss and sink your teeth into that I’m able to overlook it’s flaws. Age of Ultron provides such good foundation that what it says about Steve and Tony is a big part of the reason I love Civil War so much.
Sif-san I get that Thor had a vision showing him 4 of the 6 stones like a video game cut scene, but unless he sees more than we do, he doesn't know what happened with it. But like I said, even if that's all he means, it's weird that Steve or Tony don't ask him what he's talking about.
Stark's a sickness. Ah Junior you're gonna brack your old man's heart.
Eric Geddes
If I have to.
This is the most important review I've ever seen. You learn so much, or its put in words.
Wow, pushing these out in a timely manner. Good.
To quote Gabriel from Supernatural "Damn right, they're flawed! But a lot of them try... to do better... to forgive".
As much as I do like this film, I think it suffers because it tries to be a big blockbuster action film while juggling everything else, since I get a real sense that outside a few moments, Joss Whedon was far less invested in that side of things. The film, I find, tends to grind to a bit of a halt without actually stopping for breath during the action scenes - like, I know people love the Hulkbuster, but I personally found that sequence a drag. Same with the chase for Vision, the fight on the ship, even the opening sequence and end big battles with all the Avengers have moments which I just found a bit dull. Which isn't a problem I had with the first Avengers, or Civil War or Winter Soldier, which all felt like they were making the use of their action sequences as either story progression or big event moments in themselves. In Age of Ultron, they can feel like they're mostly there to tick the boxes.
Standard Tom
I feel the exact same way about the action. To piggyback off of what you were saying about the Hulkbuster scene, I think what hurts that is that it’s a big action set piece that comes right after another action set piece in the ship. It hurts the narrative flow because we don’t get much time to catch our breath and build back up to the action. Plus the action tends to suffocate the interesting ideas of the movie, which are the meat of the film.
Ren Davis
I completely agree - which is especially tricky given that we're supposed to be processing the visions of Cap, Widow and Thor at the same time. Between that and the fact that the action is often packed with Whedon-esque humour, you can get a bit of a mood whiplash when that scene is supposed to end with them going into hiding and coping with a form of shell-shock from the visions and the Hulk rampage.
And what I find interesting is that, from what I remember, people were of the opinion that it was the ideas - Hawkeye's farm, Cap and Tony's arguing, Vision - that actually made the film worth watching. Makes me wonder what film Whedon would have made if he'd known people would react so positively to the stuff he actually wanted to do, instead of worrying about making sure we had more of the same.
Yeah I'm in full agreement with everyone here - the film seems to suffer from trying to serve two masters - the blockbuster good time one and the weighty complicated character story one. One was always going to win out over the other. It's interesting too that the film itself bears its troubled production, as Whedon confessed feeling too much pressure an being "exhausted" by the end of it.
"people were of the opinion that it was the ideas that actually made the film worth watching."
Count me very much as one of those - my favourite scene is actually the entire farmhouse sequence, since we get a sense of characters here we don't get anywhere else, really. The biggest problem in my book though, of which all the other issues people raise are symptoms, is the lack of time. The movie is not long enough, hence everything is jammed in there with inadequate space to breathe. It's why so many have thought it unmemorable; everything is rushed (the constant comedy does not help either) so that it fails to properly impress upon the audience any of the themes. If it were only 10 minutes longer the effect would have been enormous. The Dark Knight is longer, but it is similarly dense and yet all ideas are well-presented. I've no idea why Whedon was aiming for shorter length this time around, given how much more ambitious it is than the first.
The relatively short running time of Infinity War (I've been expecting something closer to 3 hours) is by far my biggest concern going into it, as it's the very epitome of ambitious.
This was a great movie. I really don't understand the hate.
I think the humor in this film is 90% AWFUL. Also, Ultron isn't threatening at all.
It butchered Ultron and while it wasn't a bad film, it wasn't good. Barely mediocre and being a sequel to honestly a masterpiece (I'm not even that big of a fan of the original avengers but I'll put aside personal taste to give credit where it is due). I think the best correlation is the star wars prequels (not bad films, but in relation to the original trilogy really damages their chances). Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch aren't handled very well and it really started to pull an Amazing Spider-Man or BVS with being too preoccupied in certain senses setting up sequels instead of being its own movie with open aspects to be picked up on later. It was just not a good film unfortunately. This and Guardians of the Galaxy also really started that constant barrage of humor, even if it ruins emotional or shocking moments. Wheedon is really not a good screen writer and he really only has an aptitude for stupid puns and "shock" deaths and strong female characters. Those are only 3 if his overly repetitive tropes.
kollie79 idk I don't hate the prequels. They're flawed but and poorly executed in areas but I find them more mixed than out right bad. Same with this movie. For every bad element there's a good element. Maybe I didn't clarify that well enough but that's just my thoughts
kollie79 Honestly the politics were amazing. I think Lucas spent too much time on it in areas but when you really break it down it's a story of a tyrant infiltrating a democracy and using subterfuge to slowly cause a conflict(s) that frighten the denizens of the universe to the point that they will willingly sacrifice their own freedom(s) in order to attain a sense of security (obviously and sadly a story that happens every day and has happened throughout history and even here in America). He even turns public opinion against the protectors of society and through that puppet mastery we saw the Jedi in a more realistic light, they aren't very proactive and were blinded by their own security or arrogance, as the Sith were absent for millennia. They weren't perfect, but they weren't evil. But I love Anakin's turn on them...they're supposed to be civil servants and through the course of Palpatine's puppetmastery they were manipulated into becoming soldiers, almost becoming the antithesis of what they were described as in the original trilogy without taking it so far that they aren't recognizable as traditionally heroic characters. I like the midichlorians (i know that's blasphemy to star wars fans but I never got the argument that it negates the force...the force was said to be generated by living beings and midichlorians are microscopic organisms possibly being hinted that they are the source of the force (life) kinda like the theory of evolution in this fictional universe). I just think having it being broken down all the way to its smallest parts doesn't harm the mythology in any substantial way...in fact with Yoda's philosophy of size not mattering in ep 5, I think its cool that the littlest things in the universe are the most influential to a force user. I like Anakin's story arc and find it a very beautiful tragedy (at least on the writing level, acting and directing unfortunately not fleshing it out enough) from him being a slave boy to being free man in a substantial position of power, yet he can never save anything that matters to him like his mother or his wife, either because of fate or the restrictions of the Jedi code. I also find his love of padme interesting as he calls her an angel as a child and I always thought that he was maybe (with the force as Qui Gon says) seeing that she will be a part of his liberation/future...granted it would have worked better if her character had been at that point closer to his age.
kollie79 and I'll agree the execution unfortunately wasn't good. I would love to hope Lucas was competent enough to maybe at least have my arguments in his head even if he didn't communicate it to the audience because to fair I honestly don't think I'm stretching too much and not of arrogance but it just to me makes too much sense for the creator to not think it through that profusely but I could he over analyzing. But at least with the new star wars movie I think rian Johnson expanded on my Jedi theory because like seems very quick to want to throw the Jedi order away. Who knows I wasn't there for the writing or production of any of these so i can admit I'm fan speculating.
This is hawkeye 1.5 aka my favourite mcu film
Tank Gunner
Hawkeye: Expert Marksman, Former Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.,
and Badass Normal Avenger!
True Story!
Until the release of phase 3 this was my favorite mcu film so i could agree on that 👍👍👍👍
Whedon finally gave him his due
Bruce is the one with the "Cold world" line, not Steve.
The Ponderer Thanks for the correction
I remember seeing this film the first time and thinking that it looked like a TV show at points. I compare it to Civil War a lot because I think CW juggled everything effortlessly while AOU feels like it's working so hard to juggle everything that I feel as tired as Whedon did by the end of making it.
In fairness, I think Civil War has less to juggle than AOU does, and like Cap alludes to in the video, CW has the advantage of not actually being a full on ensemble piece.
The Ponderer
Agreed. I think a true test to seeing how the Russos juggle everything will be with Infinity War. Although it does get help since it has two films to deal with these characters.
Thor sees the Power Stone during the vision that Wanda shows him and during the pool scene. Don’t see the problem there.
Ren Davis Doesn't make sense why he saw it in the vision Wanda showed.
ItsMichaelReid
It makes enough sense. Thor has knowledge of the Stones since he’s Asgardian, so it’s enough for me to buy that his godly awareness would react differently to Wanda’s powers to know about about the Power Stone as well as the other three Stones. Especially since Thor talks about the mystic waters showing you what you need to know or something like that. I still don’t see the big deal. As far as plot holes go, this one is so minor as to not even be there.
It might just be a coincidence, but I wonder if the "peace in our time" line was taken from "peace for our time" - a quote from Neville Chamberlain.
For those who don't know, he was the British Prime Minister before the Second World War began. Wanting to avoid conflict, he travelled to Germany and tried desperately to get Hitler to sign a treaty that basically said the two countries would never go to war with each other. Eventually he succeeded and returned to the UK to an ecstatic reception, where he gave a speech with the above quote. But sadly, the happiness didn't last long...
So in short, he was a person who was trying to prevent disaster, doing everything in his power to do so, only to be caught in what he was trying to avoid.
I know the circumstances aren't exactly the same as Tony's... But still - just thought it was interesting to bring up.
0:17 - Captain Logan would be EXCELLENT at Cinemasins!
0:41 - 1:06 - Previously on Superhero Rewind.
7:07 - Let the record show that Captain Logan is opening ALL the suitcases. And, Yes, Mr. Logan. They DO come in Black!
9:18 - AI-deology! DING .
16:42 - MY Favorite quote from Age of Ultron!
47:52 - My Least favorite part of the MCU...Yes, even over EITHER of the Thor films!
49:41 - Somebody put Captain Logan and Ponstory in a debate session.
50:18 - Well, then you are lost!
So this is my third favourite mcu film and the third best for me, I love all the character progression and development in this.
This also feels like the most personal of the movies to me and I love how closely Ultron relates to the avengers.
It works so well as a trilogy with Winter Soldier and Civil war actually, since it builds upon so much from them and it continues on those threads into the next chapter.
Hawkeye -finally he got his due and Whedon got to give so much to that character. I loved him since the ultimates and im glad we got to flesh him out alot more.
The Bruce and Nat relationship is one of the best in the mcu to me, as It actually makes sense if you think about who they are as people and where theyre coming from.
My only negatives are that at certain points the one liners happen a bit too often (especially in the third act and from Ultron himself) those are minor issues though.
Yes the studio got involved and hurt the movie (which they’ve done on numerous occasions now to other films) but I really love this film and don’t understand the backlash it got.
Maybe people were expecting too much of the first avengers film, but you can never replicate that feeling and im glad Whedon did alot different.
It feels like a comic book write off the page put on screen most of the time to me.
A fantastic review as always cap
Tank Gunner I only wish they didn't have the canonically Jewish-Romani characters willingly side with Nazis
Tank Gunner I think the backlash is pretty easy to understand. It's a big step down from the first Avengers and objectively a more flawed movie.
Jeez, I never thought a quarter as hard about this movie than you have here, Cap. Nearly complete with my Capstone Project course, I have an even greater appreciation for the Superhero Rewind series than before. Interestingly, this video reminds me of how shifting and evolving the Marvel Saga has become: in Phase 2, I thought the end game was a "Who Watches the Watchmen" theme but, because of how Phase 3 has built upon those ideas, it's naturally become much more focused on intimate, character-based ideas (friendship, family, personal growth, etc.). And thought it sounds daunting, I seriously look forward to what you have to say about "Civil War".
Damn dude your on fire this month
That's so true about nobody questioning Tony Stark on Ultron's creation, it would be completely safe to assume Tony is linked to Ultron somehow. It initially struck me as quite strange when Tony was so good-humoured and happy at the end of this film, considering he had just inadvertently caused quite a bit of carnage, injuries, and death. However, I later thought it was okay as he was under a lot of pressure to defeat Ultron with the Avengers, and he won, and saved the entire planet. We then see the weight of Tony's actions later affect him in Civil War too. However, we really should've seen what the people of the world were thinking regarding the fallout of Ultron, and any explanations they were given for his creation. I would assume a statement was issued by the Avengers, stating an alien virus hacked Tony's technology, which is the truth and doesn't make Tony look bad.
Excellent analysis as always! I actually really love Ultron in this film, I find his character fascinating due to his complexity. I greatly admire Whedon's big ambition with this movie, it's handling so much.
The only thing I didn't care about this film was the Bruce and Natasha romance. It just didn't work for me really.
William Parcell Me either. But it's not like it takes up much time. The Scarlet Witch/Vision romance from Civil War works even less imo... they should just leave it with the romance. They just don't have the time to develop anything like that believably...
So Tony was actually leaving the team at the end of the movie? I thought the whole "I will miss you, Tony" was just the band parting ways 'till the next mission. I didn't know he was straight up leaving the team.
Are you calling him Wheaton instead of Whedon? I think that's what I hear, and it's cracking me up. Keep up the good work, Cap.
So knowing from this life of Clint's that his normal life grounds him, what happens when his entire family vanishes in front of his eyes? Ronin happens.
Congratulations you’re a prophet.
I kind of prefer age of ultron than the first avengers
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I do as well 👍🏾
Agreed
Agreed
Really? I felt the first Avengers was a much better executed movie and cinematic experience than this.
I will say this: I love the first Avengers because it is a fantastic, fun, colorful, and action packed film. It was the first time we saw everyone together and it was fantastic. I do like Age of Ultron though for seeing them work together as a team. There is no waiting, there they are, being the Avengers.
I sorta saw that villain Tony Stark interpretation in the original Iron Man actually
It's here! I've always seen this movie as Avengers pt. 2 more than Avengers 2. I feel like it keeps the tone of the first movie even though Winter Soldier made the mcu turn a shade darker, and the focus on hawkeye seemed like it was to rectify the fact that he was out for 2/3 of the last one.
Thank you Captian Logan cant wait till you review Civil War!
I still like the movie overall. I really liked the Hulk and Black widow storyline. It was different. I think the action is great. Decent. The ending battle is badass camera angles. 1000X better than Winter Soldier. I always didn't understand the praise for that film. VERY OVERRATED.
I liked Ultron. Scarlett is hot and dangerous. Quicksilver is cool and I like this Silver better than the overrated X-Men version.
always read the hulk/banner divide in the MCU as bruce convinced himself hulk is a different personality and betty ross was right deep down the hulk is him so hulk is a personality unaware hes the same person but share the same body
59:26 its been 6 years cap and u havent gotten but you may in the request commentary i guess.
I think Ragnarok reinforces the idea that Hulk left in the Quinjet, not Bruce.
Yeah I sorta agree with that rating and I love the film but like some of the stuff just didn’t need to be there even if it wasn’t written bad
Finally someone who appreciates the Hulk/Black Widow romance
What is the grade? I cannot watch it yet but I prefer to know the grade beforehand in order to get the feel, positive or negative, of the review better.
AceVsKnight It's a 3 out of 4.
Thanks, that's pretty positive!
This movie is a lot, there's a lot of great character growth, a lot of great visuals, ultron is interesting. This is good. How good? That is the difficult i still to this day can't answer. Its a lot of movie. By the time I'm done, i feel tired. When i think about it, i feel tired, especially when i think about that third act. This movie is good but it's a lot.
I am in the "tried to do too much at once" camp.
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Also I'll state that I don't think you literally need to think of the hulk second hulk as a literal second hulk, just hulk unrestrained, makes sense in its own to me.
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thanks man, some point down the line I hope to.
28:29 - Wow. You REALLY don't like Coulson. Do you, Cap?
I've come across as very hard on this movie before but when all is said and done, It's not a bad movie at all. It's actually quite entertaining and filled with plenty of excellent character moments.
If I had to lay out my problems, It would be these. Ultron is a let-down as both a character and a villain (way too much of his dialogue is wasted on jokes and corny humor), The Maximoff twins/Vision aren't fleshed out enough, Thor is underused, The scenes with Hawkeye's family go on too long, The Hulk/Black Widow romance makes no sense, and it repeats too many beats from the first Avengers movie (Villain is a homicidal maniac with daddy issues, The Hulk goes out of control, another doomsday device, the avengers fight another army of disposable drones, Another comedic scene between Hulk and villain)
I think the movie just tried to juggle too much honestly. It doesn't fall apart or anything but I think it really could've done with shedding the excess weight so to speak. It felt to me like Joss Whedon struggling to make a movie amidst studio interference and working within the marvel machine.
Spencer Malley
Hulk and Black Widow’s relationship makes perfect sense. They’re the monsters of the team with Hulk being a literal monster and Black Widow being someone who was turned into a monster during her training. Their connected tragedy in that sense is what draws them together. Natasha talks about being into Bruce because he’s someone who knows he can win every fight but doesn’t want to because he’s afraid of the consequences. That’s something that appeals to Natasha since violence has consumed most of her life. She’s constantly trying to make up for her monstrous past and become something better. Something noble. This is a thread that tracks from Avengers to Winter Soldier to Age of Ultron. She relates to Bruce because he’s someone that is also trying to run away from the monster inside of him. It’s that shared pain that brings them together, and that’s an interesting angle for their romance. We can argue whether or not the film handled that in the best way possible, but the core dynamic makes sense.
Ren Davis Interesting that's the one point you chose to address from my post.
I still wouldn't say it makes "perfect sense" trying to relate being trained as an assassin to turning into a giant green rage monster is a bit too unbelievable for me but I get what you're saying.
Spencer Malley
It’s not that interesting. That was the point that was the least subjective. Everything else could easily be distilled down to being a matter of taste. You have some points that I agree with to an extent, but overall I think there’s a lot that just didn’t connect with you. However, you missed the point completely with Hulk and Black Widow.
The two of them connecting because they were the monsters of the team was clearly what Whedon was going for.
Natasha- “Still think you’re the only monster on the team?”
Whether or not you like it is a matter of opinion, but the underlying idea with Hulk and Widow was clear. And I would say having your childhood and humanity taken from you in order to become an efficient killing machine is enough to connect with some one else who literally becomes a monster and loses all control and sense of self. One is a literal monster while the other is a metaphorical monster.
Again, I get what you're saying but I just can't really buy into it. It's definitely not my biggest issue with the film so I don't want to mediate on it too much.
Ren Davis I will say this. Having watched it again, Maybe I was a little hasty in saying their relationship doesn't make sense. I should have said "It doesn't really add much to the movie and it just comes off as awkward".
Great review Cap! A lot of fans give this movie unwarranted hate. I just rewatched Avengers: Age of Ultron and I have to admit I really enjoyed it. Is it as good as the first Avengers? No. But it's still a good movie in my opinion. It's a really fun romp with the same characters I know and love. I think the biggest issue with this movie isn't even the movie itself, but how it was marketing.
If you go back and watch the trailers for this movie we were promised a much darker and serious film than we ultimately got. It was advertised like a dark epic. And that's just not what it is. It's just more of what we got in the first movie and I think that's why fans hate it so much. Because they were lied to with false advertising.
All this interesting analysis on the Hulk. I wonder what Thor Ragnarok will do with the character. I'm sure he'll be very well developed.
Oh what's that, he's turned into a throwaway joke along with Sakaar and all the possibilities of the Planet Hulk story? Okay.
*finally...*
wait does the world know that bruce banner is the hulk?
Still hoping they bring Ultron back for a better movie down the road...
I can't believe fans consider this a weaker film because *farts* uuurr Ultron is funny.
Ultrons problem wasn't that he was "funny" (although it certainly didn't help), It's that he just wasn't an effective villain.
How was he less effective then someone like loki.
These You Tube Copyright Strikes are terrible. I miss the slides.
Man, I tell ya, if Steve Baxi sees that you didn't give this movie 5 stars out of 4, he is going to go and start quoting some random useless philosophy quotes explaining why you're wrong, or maybe a quote from one of his communist heroes, who knows!
I personally like this a lot more than the first. But I will admit, it's the movie that made me realize Tony needs to die. He's a horribly written character
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You need to use clips in your reviews, otherwise great video.
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He stopped using clips because he kept getting copyright strikes. This was the alternative that he settled on because a lot of his audience didn’t mind an audio review.
yes: you can not want to help people without wanting something else too!
Movie ultron was the worst it ruined the character he wasn’t a jokeing machine that made references to Pinocchio he was a cold calculating killing machine
I don't like this film very much.
Captain, I'm glad you could find a way to sift through all the CGI slime and analyze this movie. I couldn't see it as anything more than a dumpster fire of Whedonspeak and ugly special effects with no characters or story.
Letting you know people know Tony made Ultron because Agents of Shield characters mentioned it, but you quit the show unfortunately
No consequences for the mistakes made by characters? Yep. Definitely an MCU film
Kieron Campion not when he spent 2/3 of the movie being a bad guy. There's no weight to a death when it's a character we don't know.
Kieron Campion I'm sure Wanda did know him. But none of that was conveyed on screen and she also spent 2/3 of the movie being a bad guy. Why should I feel sorry for her loss? Also, she didn't play a part whatsoever in making ultron
@Kieron Campion then why does the movie imply he'd been trying to create him for years?