Why these structures are all over Germany
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- German houses are hiding secrets underground, some don't think they are such a good idea. I go exploring to find out.
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Land in german or European cities is so expensive, that it is often times cheaper to build an underground parking garage, than not use the land productively at all
I am amazed as how well the land is utilized here. forests are managed, open spaces are for farming, villages are compact. very few abandoned building here as they get redeveloped rather quickly.
I know that this is a thing in modern multifamily houses, but that a private Person have this is surely not common.
thanks :)
Sometimes they build a series of normal houses and build this as well. Not only in “multi family houses”. Usually when someone build a complete new housing area. But you are right in that it’s not that common outside of cities.
@mudi2000a what a great idea for houses too
The same exists in Spain. A number of 100 year or older buildings have been jacked up or their basements dug out to accommodate parking. Many small towns have municipal underground parking beneath parks, boulevards and plazas. Where necessary it makes using a car a lot easier. The existence of this infrastructure makes on-street parking unnecessary and preserves the historic character of the neighborhood.
That's a more recent idea, maybe just since the last 30 years. This is only possible if you have central developers building an areal, which is not so common in Germany, cause they tend to build appartment structures only. A German home owner rather builds his home by his own idea, without coordinating with neighbors. So this is the newer style, to have a house built by somebody else and just buy it. (The most common thing in USA, very rare in Germany).
yeah i noticed the older buildings here are more similar to what I saw when living in italy, with cars parked inside the courtyard of apartment buildings
As a child in 1978 I lived in a 4 story multi family building in a small town in Baden Württemberg. It was equipped with an underground garage. Larger western cities with multi story Plattenbau buildings often had those types of garages in the 70s already. Mine was just a small version of those, quite rare where I lived.
@@alidemirbas6566 Yeah I'd say these appeared in the 70s. Before that you had either courtyard car parks or - even worse - rows and rows of flat-roofed concrete garages behind the tower blocks.
The downside of underground garages is cost, with all the fire and safety regulations for having cars parked underneath people's homes, those garages make up a considerable part of the cost of building a new house, which obviously makes housing less affordable, especially for people who live in a big city and don't even own a car, yet have to pay for part of the cost of building a garage.
I'm not sure how common they are, but underground parking garages do exist in the US as well. Might be a regional thing, might be not, I don't know, but at least in Surfside Florida they are a thing.
PS: Funnily, Hannover has an undergruond mall area as well. With a Dunkin′ Donuts in it.
There is a public rentable underground car park at the end of my street in Milan underneath a little square with park benches and shade trees. I live a twenty minute walk from the city centre, the Cathedral Square.
That's awesome, Milan has some very modern architecture. Ciao from Munich :)
I like this. Cars should be parked on private property. If you rely on street parking you rely on everybody else to pay for your parking spot. So apartments having this, being more expensive...is actually just the cost of owning a car. But this just works when street parking is banned as soon as other solutions are in place. If you keep the "free parking space" option open you get empty parking garages just like the one you showed. Since most germans rent instead of buy, a parking space should be a optional addon when you decide to move in. For an extra payment every month you get access to a slot in the parking garage.
But until this is the norm we have to deal with cars blocking important infrastrucutre for free in places where space is limited and expensive. So I really hope this catches on.
This is the ‚swiss way‘, what you say.
In ‚Switzerland‘ every parking- space is ‚exactly coordinated‘ and nearly all is sold. „Parking in Switzerland“ is expensive.
There is ‚rarely‘ for free …
Same in Netherlands.
Same in Switzerland. Love underground parkings ❤
I've seen under ground parking in NYC and some other cities. Not as detailed as those in Germany. Saw a massive parking area underneath the old city in Dortmund.
German neighborhoods are similar to urban neighborhoods in the Northeast and Upper Midwest but different from the West Coast.
I see the pros and cons. When I lived in Augsburg, I had to pay €50 a month for an underground parking space, even though I didn't have a car, because Augsburg has a pretty good public transport system, a decent bike infrastructure and my job was only a 15-minute walk away. The underground parking was always half empty, while the streets were full of parked cars. I suppose some of my neighbours parked their cars on the street because it was more convenient.
€50 is quite cheap. I paid over €40 for just an open space in the city. And you could rent it to other people who have more than one car. I know that from a friend who rents an appartment with an included underground parking space. The tenant rents the space to another tenant. I rented a second spot at my appartment for my RV.
We were in Munich in 2021, December. We needed a COVID test 24 hours before going home. We found the testing center on Google maps, but could not find it anywhere, until we discovered the underground mall.
Who put a testing center in the middle of this street??
I've seen something similar in Rio de Janeiro that I found a great idea - the first 1-3 floors of skyscrapers were parking area, mostly topped by pool/sport area and only above started the floors with the apartments. I loved the idea as it saves a lot of street parking spaces.
the us system just extends the spaces sooooo much, while this keep the area used relatively small by just adding levels.
munich is one of the expensive cities considering prices per m². and you cannot just build everywhere outside city plot limits. so making use of the available space - I love that.
Many of these underground parking lots would also have served as nuclear shelter during cold war.
‚Underground- Parking‘ is a lot more etablished in Switzerland, where the streets and private- yards are often tinier, than in Germany and less ‚public parking‘ beside is possible.
In Europe we often have ‚strictly‘ parking- regulations‘.
So it is the best way, that cars are positionized at ‚private‘ and not along the streets.
In areas with higly immobile- prices „Underground- Parking“ is the most efficient way.
Uh. These are not common and they most certainly are not all over Germany 🇩🇪.
I need to get out of Munich more. Thanks!
Ja, Ja! Underground bunkers...errr, parking....and factories...umm...stores! Ja! Das ist vot I meant to say!
Vee hab lots of experiences since the 1940's building untergrounderlich.
That's a LOT of soil removal!
it’s no joke 😅
Therer are rumors that they want to change the building codes that you don´t have to build a parking space anymore
I’ve seen some new buildings get around this with shared cars, e-bikes and e-cargo bikes for residents. with all the car sharing services in most cities this makes a lot of sense.
See that kind of thing happening more and more than the US as our society disintegrates and people don’t want their cars stolen or vandalized.
Dunkin actually tastes good there. Its nothing like the US one.
ohhh interesting. i will have to check it out. thanks :)
grew up in an apartment complex consisting of 3 buildings and a total of 12 units. The underground car park had 12 spaces for cars, but no dedicated ones for bikes. Also, being located on an island between 2 river arms we were regularly affected by floods. The complex was right at a flood canal. In order to take pressure off the walls of the basement the garage was built to flood intentionally when the water is high enough. Means you had to drive the car out of the garage when water was rising.
Now I live in a village just outside of MUnich. Instead of an underground car park they totally wasted space on the plot. More than half the space is driveway and 13 spaces. The "garden" is the minimum required area for compensation ...
that’s crazy! hopefully it didn’t flood too often. yeah, i much prefer not having cars taking up space on the surface as well :-/
@@MattSuozzo happened once to twice a year. All fine, the facility manager just had to power clean the underground garage after the flood was gone.
Although I was a 5 minute walk from downtown I definetly had much more green space around me than now where I live in a village outside the city
OK, you’re in Munich! Most expensive city in GER.
But remember: often these garages are built so narrow and winding that people only use them in winter and put their car in the street the rest of the year! 🤣
I can believe that xD
The downside is that german homes are pretty expensive. So you can decide to have a large american house with a big garden or a small rented appartment in Germany.
Compared to American homes, with concierge and pool, or even a gym in an appartment complex, just a garage is not that much luxury.
I think the prices overall are very similar, but like you said what you get in Germany is way smaller. The other difference I noticed is the annual property taxes here are way lower than the US, like hundreds of Euros instead of thousands of dollars.
@@MattSuozzo The first time I've heard that we pay less taxes in Germany compared to the USA😂👍
But why would anyone need more than 40 square metres per person? I don't get the American attitude of bigger is always better... No it's not. And maybe you should start considering environmental issues in your way of living as well.
@@DenzelPF-jl4lj That's due to German habit of planing ahead. They take more, just in case somebody else would move in. Or a couple is taking an extra room, just in case of a baby. Or people build a house for a family of 4 although they know, after 20 years, the kids move out.
In the end, everybody is living on too much space.
I once lived in a house built 1928 (Hamburg/Germany), and somtimes it took an hour, to find a place for parking the car. It was (and still is) a typical evening in some villages in big cities🤷🏼♂️
Another underground solution is Doppelparker (two cars in the underground, one on top of the other) ... yes, all expensive, as flats are in Munich .. but something more than half a million will be sufficient (flat including mandatory parking spaces). For real the parking slot is just a 'small' extra charge (maybe never below 30.000)
I would guess it adds around 7% to the cost of an apartment. Long term it's totally worth it for what you get, and the space given back to the surface.
A variation is car elevators, where you have a normal underground parking garage but the ramp is replaced by a car elevator which probably takes up only about half the space of a ramp.
If you build on a hillside, you often can make do without a ramp, as ground level at the side of the street corresponds to below ground at the opposite side of the building. In relatively compact buildings on steep enough slopes, I have seen that combined with a car turntable. You drive the car onto the turntable perpendicular to the road. The turntable than turns, giving you access to a parking space that is parallel to the road, or up to four parking spaces, each angled maybe 30° from perpendicular.
Newer concepts "separate" the parking spots from the living space. You can buy/rent your apartement and you decide if you need a parking spot. If you need one you have to pay extra for it.
what’s crazy is I think street parking permits are only 50-100€/ year
@@MattSuozzo The permit only allows you to par in certain streets but you have to find a free spot which is not guaranteed by your permit and can be a few hundret meter away from your home. So having your own spot is an advantage cause it not only guarantees you a free spot but it is also closest to your home.
@@MattSuozzo The prices are rising a lot in most cites since a federal limit for "Anwohnerparken" has been abolished 2 years or so ago. But it will always depend on the city
@@MattSuozzo I live in a small town ~60km west from Nuremberg. There are several newly built apartment houses (6 to 12 Apartements per building). You can buy parking spots in an underground parking lot.. price: 12000,- €. In my opinion this is .. just crazy...
A few years ago these automated aunderground garages were filled with co2 for fire protection.
I dont know if they still do that.
damn that is cool and also terrifying if someone gets trapped down there
Would you rather fill it with water to clear the fire ? Then extinguishing the fire makes more damage, than the fire itself. You just change from burned car to drawned car.
But no, this is never done for "fire protection", it's always only fire extinguishers, a replacement for sprinklers. Sprinklers never are for fire protection.
hm.. that underground mall looks a bit like the Karlsplatz Passage in Vienna/Austria - and has almost the same name. (conspiracy theories anyone?)
whaaaat?? that's crazy! when I make it out there I will have to look for it :)
Not very common, but I've even seen it in single family homes. but is predominantly built in multi-family homes. It actually solves two problems with one stone: the ugly parking spaces are gone and there is more space for residential buildings. When real estate prices are as high as they are here in Europe, you have to get creative.😉
another benefit someone mentioned is that it puts more impenetrable surfaces below ground. instead of a big parking lot that produces lots of stormwater runoff that usually gets dumped into the local watershed, along with any pollution it collects. i would love to see these used more places
Move to Germany. It's a liberal paradise.
Very expensive, only billionaires can buy this ...
Can buy what? A parking space or an apartment in the condo? Got any prices?
@@maxharbig1167 we build our condo-complex as a group - everyone paid for their own appartment and if needed parking space. Costs of communal spaces where split up according to the worth of the appartment.. We finiclshed in 2016 and one parking space was 30.000 €. The parking spaces are underground and we had added costs because of high ground water that had to be pumped out during construction. Prices gone up since but a current number for Germany I heard was between 25.000 and 50.000 € per indoor parking space.
THIS IS NOTHING SPECIAL ,IT'S AN EUROPEAN THING. [ LOOK AROND EUROPE. MAYBE YOU 'LL LEARN SOMETHING. ]