I just checked with my dad if he remembered these when he worked at Philips. And he did. He said the music/re-creations on them were made at the old Soundpush Studio. The musicians were the session players. He told me they didn't use any of the Philips session players, because it would have cost to much. As for the master tapes. Those are long gone. He said anything recorded for this music format was never kept and they just reused the tapes. My dad added that one of the producers of these was still alive and wanted to know if you would be interested in his email? As he worked with this format for nearly 15 years. Let me know.
I've loved seeing your attitude towards older hardware going from "I don't fix things", to "I'm not much of a repairman", to now seeing these repairs through to the end!
half the reason I watch the channel now, I remember checking his stuff out years ago but they were mostly just views at things, now I've come back and he's fixing all sorts of things and it's so interesting, not that the videos weren't interesting before, but it's given me a new reason to watch his stuff again
Techmoan, the speaker output of this device is for a high voltage speaker system and is used to be able to drive several speakers using a step up transformer in the amplifier and step-down transformers at each speaker. This is akin to a high-voltage power distribution. Typically the US uses 70V while in Europe 100V are more common. These distribution systems have a much higher impedance than a normal speaker (4-8 ohms) and your adapter likely has an input impedance that is around that figure so it is likely that the low volume you are currently getting is simply due to an impedence mismatch. Here's a wikipedia article describing these systems: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-voltage_speaker_system
@@piketfencecartel I was hoping somebody posted something along these lines as well! I used to work for a distributor of Viking, Valcom, and Bogen equipment and have designed many a system around 70v stuff!
@@piketfencecartel Most of the things I scoped out and designed were Grocery stores and Warehouses. Heck I still get the Viking catalog in the mail and have not worked with them in a few years.
@@Techmoan The first 2/3 of one of your repair videos seem just like when I take something apart to "fix it," but mine end about half the time with me breaking something else in the process and turning the device into rubbish. Also I'm terrified to really fully disassemble something to the extent I see you do all the time, cuz I'm worried I won't be able to get it back together again :D
Well I cannot remember what the cassette was called though I do remember repairing ones like these. Even replacing tape or splice together again back in early eighties. Definitely different to modern electronics work on nowadays as always working under a microscope those where the good old days not requiring even glasses. Nice to see these old formats as now everything is digital still most are 100v line but they are looking at Wi-Fi versions which are so unreliable.
You and Colin from TDNC are getting really good with the repairs of this vintage electronic equipment. I understand it's out of necessity to create the content and share with us, just wanted to note the time and effort put into these vids.
I repaired a vintage soundstream reference class a amp then traded it for a pair of old school audiobahn 10" subwoofers and I had to repair the foam surround on one when I leaned over it with a screwdriver and poked a hole in it... What a great time to live in.
That is the first time anyone ever said that about a Philips tape deck. Anything they did since early 1960s was very cheap. The more plastic the worse repair ability along with it.
@@stevie-ray2020 Same for me but in the U.S. Mid 60s, I was still in grade school. Now I know why there was no radio announcer between songs. Then again, back then I thought all music on the radio was done live ! Ah, childhood !
I've given various fragmented responses on the actual meaning of the type number format (Large Giant Cassette etc.) used for those machines, but it might be more convenient to put it all in one post. The letters are more or less of a coincidence, so Philips never intended any useful meaning for them. Up to the mid 1960's model numbers with EL were used for "ELectro Acoustic equipment" (some survived longer, but new numbers were assigned using the new system by 1967). Starting from 1963, Philips prepared for computerising all of their operations toroughly and assigned 12 digit code numbers to everything and their mother. Internally, such code numbers were also used as SKU's for completed equipment, so replacing normal type numbers. Since such numbers are hard to remember and would probably be bad for sales, even of professional equipment, every division made their own system to map them to useful model numbers. The electro acoustics division used a system starting with an arbitrary L representing "their" first two digits, followed by two letters derived from the numbers using a translation key, then up to 6 digits directly taken from the code number and 3 internal use only which weren't reflected in the normal type number. This was done as follows (according to 1967 information, new numbers were added when necessary): LGB0.../.. through LGG9.../.. = Functional Music LGB0 = original recordings on tape LGB2 = production tapes LGB4 = programs on tape LGB6 = original recordings with splices LGB8 = production tapes with splices LGC1 = programs with splices on tape LGC2 = equipment for functional music LGD0 = Germany Don't ask me what all of this means exactly, as I don't have much specific FuMu/BGM knowledge. Splices might mean "something spliced in between music"? In Dutch it just says "met tussenlassen".
@@firesurfer I well remember broadcasting on hospital radio in the early 70s, watching the splices going through the read heads on the tape deck as the jingles played and praying they would hold! No Spotmaster carts for us...
I can't get that song from the end of the video out of my head now. It's worse than the "interlude" music from Monty Python and the Holy Grail! Great video! Background music media is one of my favorite subjects.
I always love how tiny modern caps are when compared to old caps of the same spec. So often we think such basic things have never improved. Yet stuff like that shows how even the basic stuff has improved.
Grease-removing chemicals actually won't help in cleaning this stuff, as they're usually alkali-based. What you need is strong organic solvents like ethylene chloride or dichloromethane, which are main components of paint removers.
Don't waste your time with so called degreasers or cleaners. Almost every glue or grease imaginable is easily removed with either Acetone or Mineral Spirits.
This is prime example of when "Patience" becomes "Dedication to the Art" - I appreciate the urge to educate those interested in this genre, but I also realize that it is based on a personal passion for the Form, Function, and (in this case) Fun of the chase....................You, sir, are an artist in the field. A master who is appreciated in many ways, by many parties, with many interests. Thank you!
I love it when I need to take something out, but then it turns out I need to take something else out first, and then I have to actually disassemble the other part first and that's when I know I am going to have a screw left over.
I love the build quality of the newer machine. All metal, everything is thought through, like the through-hole for the screwdriver and the flex brackets for the circuit board. And it's made to be disassembled, cleaned and maintained. I wish this was a more common practice.
More of a fan of the older one, myself - love the wood cabinet. Unfortunately, if this thing cost a small fortune in 1970, you can imagine that it would cost a large fortune to completely hand build them in 2021... which is why we have miniaturized, mass produced electronics with surface mount components that the unwashed masses can actually afford :)
@@iroll You can still buy entirely-IC units shoved into high-end cabinetry. Doesn't make sense to me, personally, but, hey to each their own. I prefer "my phone can now play pretty much anything" instead.
@@PongoXBongo I also meant hand assembling/soldering the components, in a time when real wages for manufacturing were as high or higher than they are now, and let's not forget all those discrete components that would cost 10 to 100x what the comparable components would cost now. Just like it was back then, a unit like this would cost a mint to make now... which is why we prefer our phones :)
I think part of the point OP is making is how it is designed to be repaired. There could have been an equal to that for modern devices where the designers give an easy and definite way to replace components which go out the most often. But instead, companies prefer to pursue maximum profit by designing systems and paying lawyers to ensure that every device we use today gets thrown in a landfill where it poisons our planet for years and force the end user to buy a whole new device whenever anything goes wrong.
@@Woogoo336 I totally agree with "right to repair" and like to tinker with things myself (can still pay or ditch afterward). . Things that are meant to be servicable remind mr of desktop PCs, versus nonservicable laptop PCs. Great for those that know what they're doing, but also larger and more intimidating for those who don't.
That summary at the end is a bit sad, really. There are who knows how many thousands upon thousands of hours of dedicated artistic work which will most probably never be heard again, not because of it being lost but rather because it's in essence been locked away for eternity. I mean who knows how much of this sort of stuff has been truly lost already as masters of incredibly obscure esoteric things have swapped hands with rights holders etc etc and what's slipped through the cracks. That said the repair and machine were really interesting. I'm remembering I think a few years ago or whenever watching a video in which Techmoan was saying something about not doing any in-depth repairs... and yet here he is whipping out the soldering iron, disassembling a good portion of the machine, etc. :D
As session musicians working on "beautiful music" covers of pop songs for shoppers, I'm sure they felt no attachment to these recordings other than income they provided.
Nina Paley went through an amazing amount of hassles (and something like $70K, I think), to use music from the 1920s & '30s (Annette Hanshaw), which was "owned" by Sony -- As far as I know, Sony just had this stuff locked up somewhere with no plans to ever release it, but they still made it very difficult for someone else to use it -- The music probably would just have been mostly unknown if Paley hadn't gone through the effort to put it in her movie (which you can watch for free online).
@@MrHack4never they found a high res tape of the Lego Island album that they could get red book CD audio from, but thats as high as it can go. also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire
5:53 The top left connector, the one marked with an arrow-crossed rectangle, is for remote control. Possibly via that, the machine features a full-fledged FF/REW/STOP/PLAY set of commands.
I would love to see some of these devices and obscure formats in person. I really wish that Techmoan would open a museum. Would anybody else visit a Techmoan Museum?
There's something magical about the numerous phyla, orders, and families of old tech from the whole swathe of the 20th century, as they they emerged, mutated, and (often) went extinct.
You put so much effort in to these videos, Matt. I really appreciate it. So many people who complain in your comments don't really know how much work it takes to set these shots up. It's brilliant though and I thank you so much for bringing me along.
I bet I can find some of them the thrift stores and Goodwill and stuff that we have where I live you can find box loads of cassette tapes and eight track tapes tens of thousands of records that are actually vinyl and not plastic reprints you know watching videos like this makes me want to go and buy a whole bunch of that stuff because you only pay between 10 to 25 cents for any of the tapes or records
The low volume level is most probably not caused by components but mismatch with output of the unit and the speakers you connected. It's meant to work with 100V speaker system used in large installations, where you can run many speakers over long distances, e.g. in a shopping mall. This require a transformer in the speaker to match the impedance and levels.
Exactly what I came here to say. This isn't just a tape player, it's also a PA amp for a distributed speaker system. Google 70v to 8ohn transformer and you can use that to drive a conventional speaker, and as long as the amp is ok, it should sound fine.
Exactly. Commercial PA installations use 70V or 100V speaker lines. Benefits are: smaller wire gauge, longer distances and more speakers on the same branch. Look at Bose industrial speakers and you will see the 100V option being available to purchase.
But it had a 10V setting and he used it so its not meant for just 100V speakers, I agree there is a mismatch and a good chance there are some dodgy Caps, shame !
@@jonglass Wrong type of transformer, the one he used is to take speaker level outputs and drop them down to line level. What Peter said above is the way to go.
What a great documentary. The coolest thing was that finally after all the talking the thing worked and Tech Moan was completely silent. Probably shedding a tear. 10 out of 10 this one.
Great work! I love seeing what old gear was like inside. What is immediately impressive to me is that this old gear was designed to be taken apart and repaired. The circuit board that folds away to gie access to that place, the clips and screws to remove parts, and right down to an allen screw on the belt spindle!! I mean, designers gave consideration to repair! Unheard of nowadays!
That was quite the repair! As ever, I'm astonished by your patience and resolve in getting these pieces of equipment to work again. And the closing music was brilliant!
@@NOWThatsRichy : have you seen the Techmoan video about the SABAMOBIL or the one about the RCA Victor cartridge? --> ruclips.net/video/rU-iSTj2cTY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Li699Qflv3g/видео.html
I've seen the word "large" abbreviated as "lg." before, so perhaps lg in the model number stood for "large" Philips cassette player? To differentiate it from the "compact" Philips cassette player? Just a thought... Good on you getting this thing working. I love stuff like this -- you'll never see it on any other channel on RUclips, that's for sure. Thanks! :-)
Unfortunately not, but good thinking anyways. The L stood for "ELA division" (electro acoustic products in the widest sense of the word, also including video and education). The GC2 stood for the business group and category of equipment and was chosen somewhat arbitrarily (actually every piece of equipment got a hierarchical commercial number, SKU in modern language, which was used to designate the equipment and then the letters were derived from it to form a more human readable model number).
@@koppadasao no it doesn't. If you're just taking a guess, you shouldn't write it as if it was an authoritive answer. On the other hand, it would have been nice if B was for Band (dutch) and C was for Corder (english) etc. Maybe in an alternate universe.
My Dad was like a modern-day Apple fanatic in terms of brand loyalty. He firmly believed that Philips stereo systems were superior to most anything else in the market. Sadly I didn't come across this channel until after he passed away a couple of years ago because I know he would have loved it! So I watch this content in his memory and it helps me to remember happy times. Hanging out with Dad while he tinkered in his garage/workshop, surrounded by car parts, oscillators, old radios and all sorts of tech, old and new.
Wow! Didn't fully appreciate the size until you showed the tape next to a videocassette! Many thanks for this Mat. If there's any format oddity that's ever existed, I know you'll track it down eventually!
This video has a better storyline than many movies I've watched recently. You have moved on so much since doing the dash cam videos. You are restoring the 19*##'s timeline, one device at a time. Your patience is something to be admired in itself. Tech moan onwards and upwards sir.
I've seen you progress so far and you are now a great engineer -- you've restored so many things retro and it fills my heart especially knowing that you are here to show the young ones what retro tech is! This was an amazing video and thank you so much!
@@nilswegner2881 look up "The Joy of Painting", which is the PBS series where Bob Ross would show off his version of the wet-on-wet oil painting technique. If you want to watch some example episodes, they tend to replay a couple seasons every weekend on www.twitch.tv/bobross with the permission of the current rights holders. This weekend they seem to be rebroadcasting seasons 23-26 of "The Joy of Painting". (Don't take the "it's ruined!" and similar criticism in the chat as genuine remarks; it's mostly meme commentary that has developed in the community that rewatches the episodes just about every weekend.)
@@FiXato it is also available here on RUclips, they also uploaded the 1 hour special episode that's NEVER been aired on US TV. I also never been heard about Bob Ross (because I'm in the Philippines, and I was only a year old when the final episode has been aired) until his special episode persistently showing up on my "up next" feed (especially when I watch ASMR videos) here on RUclips.
Yet again another fantastic video from Techmoan. Just a tip, when taking things apart, take photos on your phone or digital camera, it avoids “it’s upside down” moments😀. Seriously, it’s great to see the Philips electronics of years past, they seemed to have a distinct style. Grundig had the same style to their electronics. Great that you got it working.
That music takes me instantly back to an airy, modern shopping centre in Sydney called Roselands in the late 60s, when we all used to get dressed properly to go shopping and it was slightly glamorous. :-)
1:53 Having handled compact cassettes all my childhood, this scene really messes up my head when the incredibly tiny hands enter the picture to grab the regular size c-cassette.
I found one of these in a cupboard at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw when I worked there a few years ago. I asked about it because at first I thought it was a video recorder. As you'd expect, it was used to pipe background music around the building. When I looked for a tape to check whether the machine still worked, I was told that they had all been sent back to Philips. The subscription system gave them fresh tapes every 6 months provided the old ones were returned.
The compact cassette was earlier (1963). But you are not too far from the truth, there were other cassette systems before, and yes those were mostly larger.
'Philips Functional Music’ was a service by Philips in the ’70’s on 6″ tapes and it is the start of why Philips CD-i is compatible with Background Music CD’s (BGM).
It's awesome to see you getting more comfortable with repairing stuff like this :) If I may offer a couple of tips: Capacitors can't really be measured accurately when they're in-circuit. Not that it mattered in this case, since they clearly needed replacement since they physically leaked. Also, your de-soldering pump was set WAY too high, like 100 degrees too high, and this is probably why the trace on the PCB lifted. It's all part of the learning process.
Watching your videos makes me thankful with how good we have it these days. I did not have many toys as a child. Television was my main source for entertainment along with the original Nintendo Entertainment system. So I guess I had it pretty good back then as well.
Still amazed how as soon as you put some obscure piece of music up on youtube licensors come out of the woodwork. There's this Japanese record that's been out of print for over 20 years and routinely goes for over ¥10000 on yahoo auctions, and yet a video of it up on youtube got content matched almost immediately. You'd think if they cared so much to take this stuff down they'd care enough to distribute the stuff somehow, like Seeburg eventually did.
I'm amazed people are amazed by that, at this point every label company will have its every piece of music digitised and put in the content match database, everything else is fully automatic, it has nothing to do with whatever they care or not, it's just free money for them.
1万 isn't much for something that's been out of print for so long especially if the record actually plays correctly. If you're worried about preservation uploading to youtube isn't the right way to go about things. They don't have people going around taking stuff down just to be mean. It's all automatic.
You are a super hero for all technology! You are preserving pieces of technological history. Thank you for another great video. My mind always imagines the times when this was used, and people of those times. It's like looking at old photos, except with our ears.
Nice that your subscriber counter goes up from 1.14M to 1.15M during the time this video took to make! Long may it continue increasing! PS: Little tip about desoldering anything, especially old stuff like this: Flood the joint with new solder and even use a flux pen to get the old solder really fluid before removing it. Might have even been able to save that PCB pad :-))
Amazing well done Techmoan. I think the output to the speakers in 100v if selected, line level . Common with pa speakers and would need a transformer to couple with the speaker . This will enable no voltage loss and little noise pick up . Also you could series up separate speakers in the system each one having a transformer on the speaker connected👍
@@russellhltn1396 yes but what they use to do was separate the output transformer from the power amp and run cables to it so that the resistance of the cable was no longer an issue that allows you to reduce the resistance of the cable running the speaker because you are running a higher voltage. Then the speaker has the output transformer as well as the speaker . If you look on eBay eagle international made these transformers back in the day. Just makes the output stage efficient to run long cables to speakers
I am happy to see the machine from Denmark found it’s way to you Mat. I saw it on sale and would have bought it as I thought of Techmoan right away, but of course it was all ready sold when I got around to bid on it myself. Thanks for great content!
For the line out you can piggyback with wires plugged into the DIN holes. As for the desoldering iron, not sure it was to be used on caps with long tabs. I'd go large regular iron,wick and unfold the hot tab's with pliers. Now, congrats for the fixing!!! Love your channel a lot!!!
That was an awesome repair! The coolest thing I feel is that music hasn't been heard in this format on this equipment in decades. Thanks for bringing it back!
Matt, given all the repairs you do on exceedingly rare equipment, you really deserve better screwdrivers! Especially with slotted screws, a) matching the driver size is critical, and b) top quality drivers have parallel-blade slotted drivers that don’t damage the slot. (My recommendation is PB Swiss. They’re not cheap, but they’re not exorbitant either, and I have yet to find a superior screwdriver. Their tip precision is just insane.)
@@andreasu.3546 Not zo much this case, but a lot more. Can you get original Pooh after Disney bought that franchise? Or like Decca, who sold copper masters of old records for scrap value instead of preserving. Those are sound recordings of an era that won't come back.
It's just incredible to think about this device. So much R&D, the salesman taking it to wherever it spent it's working life, just hundreds of people lived with and worked on this device... and not even a century later we aren't even fully aware of what it was named. We wouldn't have known it existed had one of the machines that played it had not been found on ebay.
We have a product here in the USA called "Goo Gone" which is citrus based and always seems to work for me on gooey/sticky stuff off of whatever you've got. I recommend trying it next time you need to remove something gooey like that rubbery mess.
I worked for a company that inherited the Philips background music sales network in Europe. By the time I joined the company these long play background music tape players were replaced with souped up PC's with music on harddrives and satellite music and advertising delivery systems. In Scandinavia some former Philips background music franchisees were still called Functional Music. Very nice to see you get one of these old machines running again. As for the music we did have old archives in our London Orpington office. Master reel to reel tapes with the orchestral versions of popular music of the 60's and early 70's. But I think they have all been taken to the trash by now...
As always I love seeing these more 'industrial' types of equipment. Fantastic that you were able to get the system up and working. I bet it was a fun few hours exploring that tape!
Love how existing copyright laws ensures destruction of culture history, by the time this tape will become creative commons tape itself will disintegrate.
Yeah, there should be provisions in copyright law for abandoned works. I kind of like the old method of having rights holders re-register every so many years or the work would go into the public domain. I think the fee to do that should go up over time, so there's more incentive to let older works go into the public domain. Off-the-cuff, not very thought-out proposal: No fee for the first five years, then a nominal fee (maybe one dollar, pound, Euro, etc.) for the next five, then have that fee increase tenfold for each additional five-year renewal ($10 at the 10-year mark, $100 at 15 years, $1,000 at 20 years, etc.). That way, it's not costing the artist (or record label, etc.) very much to keep the copyright renewed for a reasonable amount of time, but probably not worth it to them to hold onto the rights to something for 30+ years unless it's a really major work, and pretty much everything would be in the public domain within 40 or 50 years, instead of copyright long outliving the artist just to line the pockets of greedy corporate executives like it does now. The fees can go to fund libraries, museums, sites like archive.org, and other ways to let the public experience art.
That was a LOT of work, Matt. Thank you for putting in the time and effort to get that relic working again. I really wish there were better Fair Use laws which allowed YTers such as yourself to play clips of whatever, say no more than 1 minute duration, for the purposes of demonstration. Really sad how these lawyers and corporations have put a clamp down on things. Still, the machine itself was interesting enough. Again, thank you.
I tell you what I really do enjoy when your able to make these old machines work. I would love to hear more tapes. I love listening to unmarked tapes. The mystery and time captured by these.
It's great to see another forgotten format and repaired old stuff! Amazing job was done.. To remove disintegrated old belts remains from metal parts, I'm, usually, used cars brake cleaner..
Brilliant, as always. Getting my belt-turned-to-gunk thrills vicariously these days. I wonder if Philips themselves could shed any light on this format?
Yes, Ive just previously watched a My Mate Vince video, on the restoration of an early 80's Roberts boombox, with the remains of belts in a similar condition!
Man, wish I could get a copy of the music on that tape. I love old department store music. Used to have a laptop that would quietly play muzak whenever the lock screen came on from being idle. People would always get confused and look around trying to figure out where the goofy music was suddenly coming from.
Wow you actually did fix it!! It’s still so wonderful we can hear it play. What a long hard work. It’s fun to see it, but it must’ve been so hard to actually do it, film it and then edit it. Such a wonderful professional job. I enjoyed watching it a lot.
I suspect that the voltage setting is for an directly powered speaker and the resultant audio signal will be centered at 10V instead of 0V. You would need an inline capacitor or some other DC bias removal circuit to remove that DC offset, and that should make the audio louder and clearer. Worth a try :) Great video.
The voltage level is a nominal level of the audio output, not a DC bias. Higher voltages run lower current and can support longer runs of wire - which is important in malls or other large areas where nobody wants to pay for leagues of thick cabling. A transformer on each end converts the low-voltage AC to high voltage, then back to low voltage at the speaker.
That same device is more powerful than most computers made in the last 30 years, can carry days worth of music on a thumbnail sized SD card and play HD videos from the internet, thousands of VHS tapes worth of content while also having all day battery life. Yeah, smart phones really are pretty amazing.
@@EmergencyChannel Err, that statement would include modern computers which far out-perform mobiles. Probably better to say computers made before 2004-ish.
I just checked with my dad if he remembered these when he worked at Philips. And he did. He said the music/re-creations on them were made at the old Soundpush Studio. The musicians were the session players. He told me they didn't use any of the Philips session players, because it would have cost to much. As for the master tapes. Those are long gone. He said anything recorded for this music format was never kept and they just reused the tapes. My dad added that one of the producers of these was still alive and wanted to know if you would be interested in his email? As he worked with this format for nearly 15 years. Let me know.
More people need to like this :)
Interesting story, always great to hear from people that actually used such things.
@@stanalbatross8615 I did 😃
Send him an e-mail about it!
So cool. Hope he sees this.
I would have taken one look inside and noped out immediately. Amazing fix!
Oh... It's you
That's a completely normal reaction. It takes a new level of dedication and insanity to fix something like that
Great to see my two favourite content creators, techmoan and Dankpods 🥳
Lol
You would have thrown that thing as far as you can 😁😉
The door that prevents your staff from messing with the levels is absolutely the best selling point of this machine.
I've loved seeing your attitude towards older hardware going from "I don't fix things", to "I'm not much of a repairman", to now seeing these repairs through to the end!
Definitely, now i'm curious about the other machine.
Hard to deal with 50 year old electronics and NOT need to fix things
half the reason I watch the channel now, I remember checking his stuff out years ago but they were mostly just views at things, now I've come back and he's fixing all sorts of things and it's so interesting, not that the videos weren't interesting before, but it's given me a new reason to watch his stuff again
He's obviously demonstrated his patience, maticulousness, and fortitude. It's admirable indeed. He inspires me.
Techmoan, the speaker output of this device is for a high voltage speaker system and is used to be able to drive several speakers using a step up transformer in the amplifier and step-down transformers at each speaker. This is akin to a high-voltage power distribution. Typically the US uses 70V while in Europe 100V are more common. These distribution systems have a much higher impedance than a normal speaker (4-8 ohms) and your adapter likely has an input impedance that is around that figure so it is likely that the low volume you are currently getting is simply due to an impedence mismatch. Here's a wikipedia article describing these systems: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-voltage_speaker_system
Spot on
Came looking for this, I spent a decade working in commercial audio/video with 70v systems. Great explanation.
@@piketfencecartel I was hoping somebody posted something along these lines as well! I used to work for a distributor of Viking, Valcom, and Bogen equipment and have designed many a system around 70v stuff!
@@eggmane I mostly worked with Crown, QSC, Soundtube, TOA, etc. Restaurants, Entertainment venues and Health Clubs.
@@piketfencecartel Most of the things I scoped out and designed were Grocery stores and Warehouses. Heck I still get the Viking catalog in the mail and have not worked with them in a few years.
It must be dead satisfying getting it to work after all that hard work!
It's certainly a relief.
@@Techmoan The first 2/3 of one of your repair videos seem just like when I take something apart to "fix it," but mine end about half the time with me breaking something else in the process and turning the device into rubbish. Also I'm terrified to really fully disassemble something to the extent I see you do all the time, cuz I'm worried I won't be able to get it back together again :D
i’m just as worried as you are - I just edit those bits out.
Well I cannot remember what the cassette was called though I do remember repairing ones like these. Even replacing tape or splice together again back in early eighties. Definitely different to modern electronics work on nowadays as always working under a microscope those where the good old days not requiring even glasses. Nice to see these old formats as now everything is digital still most are 100v line but they are looking at Wi-Fi versions which are so unreliable.
What a shirt!
I absolutely love the mechanism to hide the buttons
You and Colin from TDNC are getting really good with the repairs of this vintage electronic equipment. I understand it's out of necessity to create the content and share with us, just wanted to note the time and effort put into these vids.
I repaired a vintage soundstream reference class a amp then traded it for a pair of old school audiobahn 10" subwoofers and I had to repair the foam surround on one when I leaned over it with a screwdriver and poked a hole in it... What a great time to live in.
@@Leha_Lepeha got eem ha ha got eem
@@pantherplatform Huh?
@@fairyball3929 you obviously don't watch big d...
@@pantherplatform I do, I just didn't understand the joke... Oh, "Big D" plays the Deez nuts joke during his videos... 😉
The ever increasing amount of black goo stuck to his hands while progressing into the video perfectly demonstrates the rabbit hole he went in.
Good thing he washed up in the middle as to not get cancelled for blackhands.
The black finger appearing made me laugh
Looked increasingly like he had been working on a car engine.
The engineering on that thing is amazing. So much metal, everything screwed in, user serviceable, truly build to last.
Except for all the shit that didn't last
That is the first time anyone ever said that about a Philips tape deck. Anything they did since early 1960s was very cheap. The more plastic the worse repair ability along with it.
When the music came up, I suddenly got a flashback to shopping at a department store in Belgium in 1968….
Why Belgium?
@@malte2483 I’d assume it’s because they live there.
@@stevie-ray2020 Same for me but in the U.S. Mid 60s, I was still in grade school. Now I know why there was no radio announcer between songs. Then again, back then I thought all music on the radio was done live ! Ah, childhood !
Hey, watch your language.
Me too, then I remembered I'm 26 years old
I've given various fragmented responses on the actual meaning of the type number format (Large Giant Cassette etc.) used for those machines, but it might be more convenient to put it all in one post. The letters are more or less of a coincidence, so Philips never intended any useful meaning for them. Up to the mid 1960's model numbers with EL were used for "ELectro Acoustic equipment" (some survived longer, but new numbers were assigned using the new system by 1967). Starting from 1963, Philips prepared for computerising all of their operations toroughly and assigned 12 digit code numbers to everything and their mother. Internally, such code numbers were also used as SKU's for completed equipment, so replacing normal type numbers. Since such numbers are hard to remember and would probably be bad for sales, even of professional equipment, every division made their own system to map them to useful model numbers. The electro acoustics division used a system starting with an arbitrary L representing "their" first two digits, followed by two letters derived from the numbers using a translation key, then up to 6 digits directly taken from the code number and 3 internal use only which weren't reflected in the normal type number. This was done as follows (according to 1967 information, new numbers were added when necessary):
LGB0.../.. through LGG9.../.. = Functional Music
LGB0 = original recordings on tape
LGB2 = production tapes
LGB4 = programs on tape
LGB6 = original recordings with splices
LGB8 = production tapes with splices
LGC1 = programs with splices on tape
LGC2 = equipment for functional music
LGD0 = Germany
Don't ask me what all of this means exactly, as I don't have much specific FuMu/BGM knowledge. Splices might mean "something spliced in between music"? In Dutch it just says "met tussenlassen".
"I opted for the LGBT version, but you do you"
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Most likely custom ordered tapes with sale advertisments and such stuff cut in between the music..
At this time splices were physical. In order to add or delete something you cut out or added physical pieces of tape.
@@firesurfer I well remember broadcasting on hospital radio in the early 70s, watching the splices going through the read heads on the tape deck as the jingles played and praying they would hold! No Spotmaster carts for us...
I can't get that song from the end of the video out of my head now. It's worse than the "interlude" music from Monty Python and the Holy Grail!
Great video! Background music media is one of my favorite subjects.
Techmoan started my intrest in BGM for me too.
I always love how tiny modern caps are when compared to old caps of the same spec. So often we think such basic things have never improved. Yet stuff like that shows how even the basic stuff has improved.
I've had some oily, messy belt repairs in my life, but holy moly. This was the worst I've ever seen. That belt must have been 99% petroleum.
It reminded me of that hideous black goo from The X-Files!!!!
Grease-removing chemicals actually won't help in cleaning this stuff, as they're usually alkali-based. What you need is strong organic solvents like ethylene chloride or dichloromethane, which are main components of paint removers.
Don't waste your time with so called degreasers or cleaners. Almost every glue or grease imaginable is easily removed with either Acetone or Mineral Spirits.
You repair any cheapo plastic all in one units from the 80s? That's all of em, tape belts and turntables. Not naming (jvc) names (jvc)
This is prime example of when "Patience" becomes "Dedication to the Art" - I appreciate the urge to educate those interested in this genre, but I also realize that it is based on a personal passion for the Form, Function, and (in this case) Fun of the chase....................You, sir, are an artist in the field. A master who is appreciated in many ways, by many parties, with many interests. Thank you!
the music has fallout vibes like crazy. it makes me think all those tapes of "elevator music" are gone
I love it when I need to take something out, but then it turns out I need to take something else out first, and then I have to actually disassemble the other part first and that's when I know I am going to have a screw left over.
I love the build quality of the newer machine. All metal, everything is thought through, like the through-hole for the screwdriver and the flex brackets for the circuit board. And it's made to be disassembled, cleaned and maintained. I wish this was a more common practice.
More of a fan of the older one, myself - love the wood cabinet. Unfortunately, if this thing cost a small fortune in 1970, you can imagine that it would cost a large fortune to completely hand build them in 2021... which is why we have miniaturized, mass produced electronics with surface mount components that the unwashed masses can actually afford :)
@@iroll You can still buy entirely-IC units shoved into high-end cabinetry. Doesn't make sense to me, personally, but, hey to each their own. I prefer "my phone can now play pretty much anything" instead.
@@PongoXBongo I also meant hand assembling/soldering the components, in a time when real wages for manufacturing were as high or higher than they are now, and let's not forget all those discrete components that would cost 10 to 100x what the comparable components would cost now. Just like it was back then, a unit like this would cost a mint to make now... which is why we prefer our phones :)
I think part of the point OP is making is how it is designed to be repaired. There could have been an equal to that for modern devices where the designers give an easy and definite way to replace components which go out the most often. But instead, companies prefer to pursue maximum profit by designing systems and paying lawyers to ensure that every device we use today gets thrown in a landfill where it poisons our planet for years and force the end user to buy a whole new device whenever anything goes wrong.
@@Woogoo336 I totally agree with "right to repair" and like to tinker with things myself (can still pay or ditch afterward).
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Things that are meant to be servicable remind mr of desktop PCs, versus nonservicable laptop PCs. Great for those that know what they're doing, but also larger and more intimidating for those who don't.
I love the enormous eject “lever”.
'ka-chunk!' It's almost like cocking a machine gun.
gives the impression of a seriously badass piece of equipment, lol
I just came here to comment on that. Let’s all bask in the awesomeness of the gigantic eject lever.
That summary at the end is a bit sad, really. There are who knows how many thousands upon thousands of hours of dedicated artistic work which will most probably never be heard again, not because of it being lost but rather because it's in essence been locked away for eternity. I mean who knows how much of this sort of stuff has been truly lost already as masters of incredibly obscure esoteric things have swapped hands with rights holders etc etc and what's slipped through the cracks.
That said the repair and machine were really interesting. I'm remembering I think a few years ago or whenever watching a video in which Techmoan was saying something about not doing any in-depth repairs... and yet here he is whipping out the soldering iron, disassembling a good portion of the machine, etc. :D
There are also examples of lost master tapes, for example, some of the LEGO Island master tapes were lost in a houseboat accident
As session musicians working on "beautiful music" covers of pop songs for shoppers, I'm sure they felt no attachment to these recordings other than income they provided.
Nina Paley went through an amazing amount of hassles (and something like $70K, I think), to use music from the 1920s & '30s (Annette Hanshaw), which was "owned" by Sony -- As far as I know, Sony just had this stuff locked up somewhere with no plans to ever release it, but they still made it very difficult for someone else to use it -- The music probably would just have been mostly unknown if Paley hadn't gone through the effort to put it in her movie (which you can watch for free online).
@@MrHack4never they found a high res tape of the Lego Island album that they could get red book CD audio from, but thats as high as it can go. also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire
Think about when music was invented...about all the music that was never recorded.
5:53 The top left connector, the one marked with an arrow-crossed rectangle, is for remote control. Possibly via that, the machine features a full-fledged FF/REW/STOP/PLAY set of commands.
The DIN socket with the ↗️ symbol next to it is for connecting a remote control.
You wouldn’t happen to know of any collection of all the DIN audio/video symbols and their meanings?
That was my thought as well. It’s similar to the symbol for a potentiometer.
@@tookitogo I can name some but I don‘t have a list. But it should be pretty obvious just by the pin arrangement. IIRC they are all different.
@@TobiasTimpe How would a pin arrangement suggest the function of a connector? o_O
@@tookitogo Would make sense. Precursor to color coding, I guess. Maybe plugging in the wrong one would short something out.
I would love to see some of these devices and obscure formats in person. I really wish that Techmoan would open a museum. Would anybody else visit a Techmoan Museum?
I'd fly from the US to the UK to see it!
Perhaps at the Science and Industry Museum in Manchester - which I think...is a city that Techmoan is near.
@@apl175 Good idea, but would they have room for the collection?
sure i would do.
I feel like Sam battle over at the museum of everything else would love to display this kind of stuff!
There's something magical about the numerous phyla, orders, and families of old tech from the whole swathe of the 20th century, as they they emerged, mutated, and (often) went extinct.
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@@mayshack Modern English now considers it as a loanword which means both plural forms are ok.
You put so much effort in to these videos, Matt. I really appreciate it. So many people who complain in your comments don't really know how much work it takes to set these shots up. It's brilliant though and I thank you so much for bringing me along.
Giant cassettes are the extinct charismatic megafauna of the electronics world.
Well put 😅👍🏻
I love that description.
I bet I can find some of them the thrift stores and Goodwill and stuff that we have where I live you can find box loads of cassette tapes and eight track tapes tens of thousands of records that are actually vinyl and not plastic reprints you know watching videos like this makes me want to go and buy a whole bunch of that stuff because you only pay between 10 to 25 cents for any of the tapes or records
I thought all these cassettes were destroyed by a giant meteorite, back in the day.
That, was a delightful description.
The low volume level is most probably not caused by components but mismatch with output of the unit and the speakers you connected. It's meant to work with 100V speaker system used in large installations, where you can run many speakers over long distances, e.g. in a shopping mall. This require a transformer in the speaker to match the impedance and levels.
Exactly what I came here to say. This isn't just a tape player, it's also a PA amp for a distributed speaker system. Google 70v to 8ohn transformer and you can use that to drive a conventional speaker, and as long as the amp is ok, it should sound fine.
Exactly. Commercial PA installations use 70V or 100V speaker lines. Benefits are: smaller wire gauge, longer distances and more speakers on the same branch. Look at Bose industrial speakers and you will see the 100V option being available to purchase.
But it had a 10V setting and he used it so its not meant for just 100V speakers, I agree there is a mismatch and a good chance there are some dodgy Caps, shame !
He had a transformer in the mix. 8:12
@@jonglass Wrong type of transformer, the one he used is to take speaker level outputs and drop them down to line level. What Peter said above is the way to go.
Matt, your tear down, troubleshooting and repair skills have really improved over the years. Thanks for another enjoyable video.
What a great documentary. The coolest thing was that finally after all the talking the thing worked and Tech Moan was completely silent. Probably shedding a tear. 10 out of 10 this one.
Great work! I love seeing what old gear was like inside. What is immediately impressive to me is that this old gear was designed to be taken apart and repaired. The circuit board that folds away to gie access to that place, the clips and screws to remove parts, and right down to an allen screw on the belt spindle!! I mean, designers gave consideration to repair! Unheard of nowadays!
That was quite the repair! As ever, I'm astonished by your patience and resolve in getting these pieces of equipment to work again. And the closing music was brilliant!
'It seems all I need to do is take this bit off...' is why I have two cassette decks in pieces in boxes.
I just kept thinking about his _"cheat"_ to getting the tape to play, and then he mentioned it! It's not really about the tape at all.
Now I can totally understand why Philips came up with the name "Compact Cassette" 😜
Yes, that large cassette, is a sort of crossover between reel to reel & a compact cassette
Philips
@@Gerard1971 thx
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I've seen the word "large" abbreviated as "lg." before, so perhaps lg in the model number stood for "large" Philips cassette player? To differentiate it from the "compact" Philips cassette player? Just a thought...
Good on you getting this thing working. I love stuff like this -- you'll never see it on any other channel on RUclips, that's for sure. Thanks! :-)
damn I should have scrolled down a bit before commenting I was thinking the same thing.
LG is Dutch, not an abbreviation for the English word 'large'
Anyway, the B in LGB stands for 'band', Dutch for tape
Unfortunately not, but good thinking anyways. The L stood for "ELA division" (electro acoustic products in the widest sense of the word, also including video and education). The GC2 stood for the business group and category of equipment and was chosen somewhat arbitrarily (actually every piece of equipment got a hierarchical commercial number, SKU in modern language, which was used to designate the equipment and then the letters were derived from it to form a more human readable model number).
@@koppadasao no it doesn't. If you're just taking a guess, you shouldn't write it as if it was an authoritive answer. On the other hand, it would have been nice if B was for Band (dutch) and C was for Corder (english) etc. Maybe in an alternate universe.
@@mjouwbuis LGB = Electroacoustic business equipment tape?
My Dad was like a modern-day Apple fanatic in terms of brand loyalty. He firmly believed that Philips stereo systems were superior to most anything else in the market. Sadly I didn't come across this channel until after he passed away a couple of years ago because I know he would have loved it! So I watch this content in his memory and it helps me to remember happy times. Hanging out with Dad while he tinkered in his garage/workshop, surrounded by car parts, oscillators, old radios and all sorts of tech, old and new.
I suddenly have an incredible urge to push a shopping trolley.
Wow! Didn't fully appreciate the size until you showed the tape next to a videocassette! Many thanks for this Mat. If there's any format oddity that's ever existed, I know you'll track it down eventually!
Wow! You still know how large a VHS cassette is 🤣
There’s nothing more satisfying than when you successfully repair old tech. It made me so happy to hear the music playing after all your hard work.
This video has a better storyline than many movies I've watched recently. You have moved on so much since doing the dash cam videos. You are restoring the 19*##'s timeline, one device at a time. Your patience is something to be admired in itself.
Tech moan onwards and upwards sir.
What a great job! My husband is a repair tech...we were both fascinated. Good on you for sticking with it to the end!
I've seen you progress so far and you are now a great engineer -- you've restored so many things retro and it fills my heart especially knowing that you are here to show the young ones what retro tech is! This was an amazing video and thank you so much!
“I’m really into functional music”. Can’t get more obscure than that 😂
"I was into functional music before it got popular".
There's a whole world of "corporate" music, much of it used for educational videos, elevators, stores and background TV music.
Hmm, people music. I like it!
I'm sticking with object-oriented music thank-you very much.
He should have just said Muzak really. lol
Mat is the “Bob Ross” of AV geeks!
We’ll just add a happy rubber belt about here… 😁
I still don't know who this Bob Ross Person is.
@@nilswegner2881Bob Ross was an artist who had a long running show in the US where he did painting tutorials.
@@nilswegner2881 look up "The Joy of Painting", which is the PBS series where Bob Ross would show off his version of the wet-on-wet oil painting technique.
If you want to watch some example episodes, they tend to replay a couple seasons every weekend on www.twitch.tv/bobross with the permission of the current rights holders. This weekend they seem to be rebroadcasting seasons 23-26 of "The Joy of Painting".
(Don't take the "it's ruined!" and similar criticism in the chat as genuine remarks; it's mostly meme commentary that has developed in the community that rewatches the episodes just about every weekend.)
@@FiXato it is also available here on RUclips, they also uploaded the 1 hour special episode that's NEVER been aired on US TV.
I also never been heard about Bob Ross (because I'm in the Philippines, and I was only a year old when the final episode has been aired) until his special episode persistently showing up on my "up next" feed (especially when I watch ASMR videos) here on RUclips.
@@nilswegner2881
You have not lived!
😁
The lengths you went to to listen to this tape are commendable. As always, a highly entertaining video!
Yet again another fantastic video from Techmoan. Just a tip, when taking things apart, take photos on your phone or digital camera, it avoids “it’s upside down” moments😀. Seriously, it’s great to see the Philips electronics of years past, they seemed to have a distinct style. Grundig had the same style to their electronics. Great that you got it working.
What a wonderful sense of achievement , it really cheered me up to hear that machine working after following your repairs
That music takes me instantly back to an airy, modern shopping centre in Sydney called Roselands in the late 60s, when we all used to get dressed properly to go shopping and it was slightly glamorous. :-)
Wow that made me smile. I used to go shopping with my nan when I was a boy just like that!
What does the word “modern” mean in this sense? As in it was a contemporarily “modern” design for the time?
@@CJT3X modern in 1965
@@paulholla So did I during the school holidays.
1:53 Having handled compact cassettes all my childhood, this scene really messes up my head when the incredibly tiny hands enter the picture to grab the regular size c-cassette.
"functional music" sounds like an early 2000's liquid Drum'n'Bass compilation.
I don't know, to me it has a certain Eno vibe to it.
I'd have said Kraftwerk
"Human music"
@@UnitSe7en Mark z says it's his favorite.
I found one of these in a cupboard at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw when I worked there a few years ago. I asked about it because at first I thought it was a video recorder. As you'd expect, it was used to pipe background music around the building. When I looked for a tape to check whether the machine still worked, I was told that they had all been sent back to Philips. The subscription system gave them fresh tapes every 6 months provided the old ones were returned.
Now i know why philips called “regular cassetes” compact cassetes.
@@RonJohn63 At my company we called the micro-floppies "stiffies".
@@RonJohn63 And 3.5" weren't even floppy anymore! (Well, the discs themselves were. But still.)
I always wondered why Philips called it the COMPACT cassette. I guess it was to differentiate it from the LARGE GIANT cassette.
The compact cassette was earlier (1963). But you are not too far from the truth, there were other cassette systems before, and yes those were mostly larger.
'Philips Functional Music’ was a service by Philips in the ’70’s on 6″ tapes and it is the start of why Philips CD-i is compatible with Background Music CD’s (BGM).
It's awesome to see you getting more comfortable with repairing stuff like this :)
If I may offer a couple of tips:
Capacitors can't really be measured accurately when they're in-circuit. Not that it mattered in this case, since they clearly needed replacement since they physically leaked. Also, your de-soldering pump was set WAY too high, like 100 degrees too high, and this is probably why the trace on the PCB lifted. It's all part of the learning process.
I'm always amazed at the close-ups that make you feel like you're the one fixing the crazy gadget of the week yourself. Great!
Watching your videos makes me thankful with how good we have it these days. I did not have many toys as a child. Television was my main source for entertainment along with the original Nintendo Entertainment system. So I guess I had it pretty good back then as well.
Still amazed how as soon as you put some obscure piece of music up on youtube licensors come out of the woodwork. There's this Japanese record that's been out of print for over 20 years and routinely goes for over ¥10000 on yahoo auctions, and yet a video of it up on youtube got content matched almost immediately. You'd think if they cared so much to take this stuff down they'd care enough to distribute the stuff somehow, like Seeburg eventually did.
All RUclips really care about is making money from it in some way. If they can't make money, they won't allow it.
I'm amazed people are amazed by that, at this point every label company will have its every piece of music digitised and put in the content match database, everything else is fully automatic, it has nothing to do with whatever they care or not, it's just free money for them.
1万 isn't much for something that's been out of print for so long especially if the record actually plays correctly.
If you're worried about preservation uploading to youtube isn't the right way to go about things. They don't have people going around taking stuff down just to be mean. It's all automatic.
@@donpalmera Yes but someone obviously programmed that algorithm to begin with.
@@GryphLane That would be Google, who did it to comply with the DMCA. Tom Scott did a wonderful video on this topic.
The weird thing is that to me it doesn't look THAT "old" but when I was a teenager, something that old would have dated from WWII!
It seems crazy to me that 1979 is as close to 2000 as this year is... where did all the time go??
@@thisnthat3530 in the hole
"I just set it really high"
> 420°C
Nice.
oh my god xD xD xD
Still not sure if he did that on purpose or not lol.
🤣
@@ElixTwo That's how you know it's a really good joke
What a sad life.
Wow, that amount of time it must have taken to create this video. The technical repairs is just the tip of the iceberg here. Very impressed.
You are a super hero for all technology! You are preserving pieces of technological history. Thank you for another great video.
My mind always imagines the times when this was used, and people of those times. It's like looking at old photos, except with our ears.
Nice that your subscriber counter goes up from 1.14M to 1.15M during the time this video took to make! Long may it continue increasing!
PS: Little tip about desoldering anything, especially old stuff like this: Flood the joint with new solder and even use a flux pen to get the old solder really fluid before removing it. Might have even been able to save that PCB pad :-))
Don't give him soldering tips. He doesn't appreciate it.
Amazing well done Techmoan.
I think the output to the speakers in 100v if selected, line level .
Common with pa speakers and would need a transformer to couple with the speaker . This will enable no voltage loss and little noise pick up .
Also you could series up separate speakers in the system each one having a transformer on the speaker connected👍
10V would be12.5W into 8 ohm speakers. Might be a little loud, but do-able.
@@russellhltn1396 yes but what they use to do was separate the output transformer from the power amp and run cables to it so that the resistance of the cable was no longer an issue that allows you to reduce the resistance of the cable running the speaker because you are running a higher voltage.
Then the speaker has the output transformer as well as the speaker . If you look on eBay eagle international made these transformers back in the day.
Just makes the output stage efficient to run long cables to speakers
13:40 That looks like a crime scene body outline , except the line is the actual victim
Now that you mention it, the shape it forms is rather ... sus!
@@s8w5 GETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEAD
I am happy to see the machine from Denmark found it’s way to you Mat. I saw it on sale and would have bought it as I thought of Techmoan right away, but of course it was all ready sold when I got around to bid on it myself.
Thanks for great content!
Another brilliant video taking a look inside an old tape machine. This certainly explains the 'compact" in 'compact cassette"
This is why people should not be able to sue for copyright infringement, unless they have said product on the open market the infringer is living in.
It should be 50 years max like it used to be
This tape should be able to be put on archive.org tbh. just because of some silly rights holders the music has to die? Bloddy copyright
@@annother3350 20 years
@@FireStriker_ He could if he really wanted to
It will not help. It is easy to offer any product for, say, $1B :-)
Such impressive perseverance! And it was worth it in the end. I love this channel. It's consistently brilliant
The number of times I just go "wow, that's a pain" when Mat is going through this is amazing. Thank you for your patience :)
For the line out you can piggyback with wires plugged into the DIN holes.
As for the desoldering iron, not sure it was to be used on caps with long tabs. I'd go large regular iron,wick and unfold the hot tab's with pliers.
Now, congrats for the fixing!!! Love your channel a lot!!!
That was an awesome repair! The coolest thing I feel is that music hasn't been heard in this format on this equipment in decades. Thanks for bringing it back!
Your repairs are better than a lot on RUclips ☺️ You definitely have a knack for it
That was such a fascinating journey. Thanks for persevering to the end! This video was 30 minutes that just skipped by without me noticing.
Who is willing to make the first album release in history on the Phillips Functional Music tape, eh?
This is one of my favorite channels to work to :) Thanks!
This channel is like an apprenticeship for skills that are no longer marketable but awesome 😎
Matt, given all the repairs you do on exceedingly rare equipment, you really deserve better screwdrivers!
Especially with slotted screws, a) matching the driver size is critical, and b) top quality drivers have parallel-blade slotted drivers that don’t damage the slot. (My recommendation is PB Swiss. They’re not cheap, but they’re not exorbitant either, and I have yet to find a superior screwdriver. Their tip precision is just insane.)
Just when I thought there was no way Mat would find anything retro new to show us, along comes a video about a giant Phillips cassette.
Its such a shame. I feel like we're losing this music. Cause who's gonna categorize it and make it available to the public?
i feel like the Internet Archive is making some headway.
It's the way culture is murdered. You can have new things, but not allowed to have old (perhaps better) things.
@@pizzablender Really, culture being murdered? Because a tape full of literal elevator music is not preserved? I don't know.
@@andreasu.3546 Not zo much this case, but a lot more. Can you get original Pooh after Disney bought that franchise?
Or like Decca, who sold copper masters of old records for scrap value instead of preserving. Those are sound recordings of an era that won't come back.
thank you for not taking the shortcut, watching you mend these machines gives me a lot of satisfaction to see, awesome
It's just incredible to think about this device. So much R&D, the salesman taking it to wherever it spent it's working life, just hundreds of people lived with and worked on this device... and not even a century later we aren't even fully aware of what it was named. We wouldn't have known it existed had one of the machines that played it had not been found on ebay.
Thanks for all your hard work in restoring this piece of history and then sharing with us!
We have a product here in the USA called "Goo Gone" which is citrus based and always seems to work for me on gooey/sticky stuff off of whatever you've got. I recommend trying it next time you need to remove something gooey like that rubbery mess.
"off of" > "from"
(English for beginners, Lesson 01)
@@NipapornP engrish
@@marcviej.5635 Can you please write a full sentence?
@@NipapornP yes
@@NipapornP You must be fun at parties
I LOVE episodes like this!!!! That thing is built like a brick schitte house too. Thank you!!
I worked for a company that inherited the Philips background music sales network in Europe. By the time I joined the company these long play background music tape players were replaced with souped up PC's with music on harddrives and satellite music and advertising delivery systems. In Scandinavia some former Philips background music franchisees were still called Functional Music. Very nice to see you get one of these old machines running again. As for the music we did have old archives in our London Orpington office. Master reel to reel tapes with the orchestral versions of popular music of the 60's and early 70's. But I think they have all been taken to the trash by now...
As always I love seeing these more 'industrial' types of equipment. Fantastic that you were able to get the system up and working. I bet it was a fun few hours exploring that tape!
Love how existing copyright laws ensures destruction of culture history, by the time this tape will become creative commons tape itself will disintegrate.
Piracy is a necessity. Laws need to be rewritten and historic works like this need to be considered fair use when released.
I hope he will digitize it at a good quality, at least for him self.
Yeah, there should be provisions in copyright law for abandoned works. I kind of like the old method of having rights holders re-register every so many years or the work would go into the public domain. I think the fee to do that should go up over time, so there's more incentive to let older works go into the public domain.
Off-the-cuff, not very thought-out proposal: No fee for the first five years, then a nominal fee (maybe one dollar, pound, Euro, etc.) for the next five, then have that fee increase tenfold for each additional five-year renewal ($10 at the 10-year mark, $100 at 15 years, $1,000 at 20 years, etc.). That way, it's not costing the artist (or record label, etc.) very much to keep the copyright renewed for a reasonable amount of time, but probably not worth it to them to hold onto the rights to something for 30+ years unless it's a really major work, and pretty much everything would be in the public domain within 40 or 50 years, instead of copyright long outliving the artist just to line the pockets of greedy corporate executives like it does now. The fees can go to fund libraries, museums, sites like archive.org, and other ways to let the public experience art.
@@avsystem3142 as durable as a Zip disc? Or a floppy?
He should put the recording on the Internet Archive.
That was a LOT of work, Matt. Thank you for putting in the time and effort to get that relic working again. I really wish there were better Fair Use laws which allowed YTers such as yourself to play clips of whatever, say no more than 1 minute duration, for the purposes of demonstration. Really sad how these lawyers and corporations have put a clamp down on things. Still, the machine itself was interesting enough. Again, thank you.
Amazing finds! It's awesome that you went through the trouble to get it playing again - Bravo.
I tell you what I really do enjoy when your able to make these old machines work. I would love to hear more tapes. I love listening to unmarked tapes. The mystery and time captured by these.
It's great to see another forgotten format and repaired old stuff!
Amazing job was done..
To remove disintegrated old belts remains from metal parts, I'm, usually, used cars brake cleaner..
Brilliant, as always. Getting my belt-turned-to-gunk thrills vicariously these days. I wonder if Philips themselves could shed any light on this format?
Yes, Ive just previously watched a My Mate Vince video, on the restoration of an early 80's Roberts boombox, with the remains of belts in a similar condition!
Unlikely, Philips has been broken up and its department thrown to the four winds
Man, wish I could get a copy of the music on that tape. I love old department store music. Used to have a laptop that would quietly play muzak whenever the lock screen came on from being idle. People would always get confused and look around trying to figure out where the goofy music was suddenly coming from.
Just one word Matt, brilliant! Thanks so much for another fascinating journey back in time.
Wow you actually did fix it!! It’s still so wonderful we can hear it play. What a long hard work. It’s fun to see it, but it must’ve been so hard to actually do it, film it and then edit it. Such a wonderful professional job. I enjoyed watching it a lot.
I appreciate the amount of dedication you put in fixing all these things. You are an inspiration. Salute to you Guru.
I suspect that the voltage setting is for an directly powered speaker and the resultant audio signal will be centered at 10V instead of 0V. You would need an inline capacitor or some other DC bias removal circuit to remove that DC offset, and that should make the audio louder and clearer. Worth a try :) Great video.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-voltage_speaker_system - it needs a transformer :D
@@rcajavus8141 agree! I used to install these on jukeboxes in the 70s.
The voltage level is a nominal level of the audio output, not a DC bias. Higher voltages run lower current and can support longer runs of wire - which is important in malls or other large areas where nobody wants to pay for leagues of thick cabling. A transformer on each end converts the low-voltage AC to high voltage, then back to low voltage at the speaker.
You've been getting quite good at these repairs! Also, thanks for the end song, really a lovely retro tune.
The repair was impressive! Well done!
Thank you for spending time and money on it to get it working so you could share it with us! That is pretty awesome!
Well done, Matt. I really admire your persistence. I'm sure a lot of people would have put the player out with the garbage.
It’s truly amazing that these days, nearly everyone in a department store/supermarket/pub will have a device in their pocket that outperforms this.
That same device is more powerful than most computers made in the last 30 years, can carry days worth of music on a thumbnail sized SD card and play HD videos from the internet, thousands of VHS tapes worth of content while also having all day battery life. Yeah, smart phones really are pretty amazing.
@@EmergencyChannel Err, that statement would include
modern computers which far out-perform mobiles. Probably better to say computers made before 2004-ish.
@@blunderingfool He did say "most"
Except for the power level output. This thing handles up to 100 Volts DC on the output side. Or would if its electronics were intact.
It might outperform it, but it won't be working 50 years later down the road.