CONVERTIBLE loco, goofy valve gear and MORE - Slovenia Railway Museum Tour Pt. 1
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Are the trains cursed, or just... foreign? Today we're taking a look through the Slovenian Railway Museum in Ljubljana, Slovenia. The museum is utterly fantastic!
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Props to Hyce's sister and mother for having to deal with his foamerness. And for having to deal with something else on the trip.
What does foamerness mean? It is a word I have not encountered before.
@@jimmydesouza4375 it is his train foamer (someone who is excited about all things trains) -ness is the action of it. Ie craziness is the act of being crazy.
@@Johndoe-jd Thanks.
What a great tour of the Slovenian museum Hyce! As for why most of the locomotives there are completely bonkers, well, that's because none of them are Yugoslavian at all. They are all Austro-Hungarian (with the exception of the primer locomotive, which is Prussian). This meant that all of them were build with heavy, windy, standard guage mountain lines in mind.
Also a fun fact about the ancient choo-choo: She is not alone! Build as part of the Südbahn class Alt (old) 23, nowadays five (FIVE) of this class of 1860's era freight haulers are preserved: 718 is the one in Slovenia, 674 in Hungary, 680 in Berlin, and 53.7114 at the Strasshof railway museum.
And then there is No. 671, which is kept in full-time operational condition at the GKB, which, having been build in 1860 and never retired from work besides for maintenance, is the longest-serving locomotive in the world!
Holy crap. That's an amazing story of preservation. The locos being Austro-Hungarian makes a lot of sense given the context of the region during those times.
For an engine from 1860s it do be a chonker.
And europe seemed to like open cab engines for quite a long time guess the visibility explains it.
@@davidty2006
THE OPENCAB WAS CHEAPER TO BUILD AND ANOTHER WAY OF THE UPPER CLASSES TO LORD OVER THE WORKER!
THIS MIMICS THE EARLY HIGH END LUXURY AUTOMOBILES, WHERE THE CHAUFFEUR WAS RIDING COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED , WITH ONLY AN WINDSHIELD FOR PROTECTION, WHILE HIS MASTERS HAD AN NICE LUXURIOUS CABIN!
@@rossbryan6102 uhh chap.
the lack of roof on early cars was so the ejector seat could work when they hit something.
@@davidty2006 It was the Euro + UK social class system. Engineers/drivers were just chauffeurs for the rich, and didn't deserve weather protection. Like a Hansom cab.
1:56 That is a Golsdorf chassis, where the front, back and middle wheels can move sideways
2:04 That is the speedometer drive
6:30 KkStb build... so pre WW1 Austrian
7:45 The most famous LGB model train
8:19 Bosnian gauge (the KkStb standard size)
9:09 Water in the bottom frame, coal in the side bunkers
11:07 Suedbahn class 29 (the other pre-WW1 Austrian railway operator) Multiple are preserved, one is in running condition
19:40 G12 (which is kind of an Einheitslok before they existed) Third cylinder is run from a separate set between the frames (like on a Br44) instead of relying on an outside lever. There is a G12 in operating condition, the 58 311
During initial watching, I was sure that G12 was a Br44. You have a good eye.
The fact that the SVRy, that little windy barely-staying-alive railroad from an obscure corner of Oregon that I call home, has made a cameo in model form at a railroad museum in Slovenia of all places, makes me very happy. That little railroad is so underrepresented here in America, to see it getting at least some recognition internationally... just amazing.
Thank LGB for making a G-scale model of it! 😉
16:54 I am glad to see that I am not the only one who tried to push on the buffers on a steam loco 😂
Watching you die inside looking at european stuff surely was entertaining :D
hyce being confused by europes existance is just the best
21:19 the third pipe is for steam heating. Most european trains used steam to heat passenger cars. Even some of the early era diesellocos like German V100, BR 216, V200 were equipped with steam generators, to provide steam for the car heatings.
Oh interesting. We used very different fittings for steam heat over here so that's why it didn't ring a bell
Ireland used post world war two generator vans for creating heat and electricity.
You needed more comments from your sister.
And props to her and your mom for this stop and filming.
Those sideways D slides were almost universal in every country but the U.S. The Brits loved to point out the "old-fashioned" rockers of American locos, which, yes, made lubrication easier, but also added more moving parts to the valve train. With the slides on the inside the eccentrics could drive the valves directly without the use of rocking shafts.
"It's a child, it's only 12 tons"
Definitely a line you only hear about steam locomotives
Or trains in general. shunters are cute.
Shunters are still dangerous and can maim or kill.
9:06 yes, the whole frame is a water tank. One of side storage thingey is probably also a water tank and the other one is a coal bunker. This allows you to have more water but in addition shifts the centre of mass downwards
25:39 “he likes it when it’s dirty” 😂
*In cockatoo sounds* Marian!!!
Since you brought up the sumpter valley mallets here is a fun fact
When the sumpter valley got the mallets from uintah and decided to give them tenders they used the biggest ones they had which just happened to be the ones that originally came with 19 and 20.
So 19 and 20 lost their original tenders to the mallets.
The 19 and 20 then went to the white pass while the mallets and the tenders went to Guatemala.
When our organization got started in the 70s we were able to get 19 and 20 back from Alaska, and while we weren’t able to get the mallets back we were able to get the tenders back.
So the original locomotives of the mallet tenders have received their tenders back at the rebirth of their original railroad
That is cool!
Omg, it's Steam and Steel and Derail Valley in real life! /j
underrated comment
The fun bit about the boiler explosion you mentioned, that locomotive got rebuilt and used as a switch engine until around the 1850s ish. That railroad also had the first double ended locomotives built in the mid 1830s
of course lol
I live at near one end of that particular line. Didn't know that they rebuilt it.
More recent research shows that the "Phoenix" had been converted to stationary use c. 1837. As a stationary engine it may have lasted up until the Civil War.
I greatly enjoyed watching a very lost american railroader puzzle at the utter strange on display. also 1860?! Holy Christmas in July that engine is like 180! and looking fantastic for her age
And it is one of five of that class that survive. One of them GKB 671 is still operational.
this is genuinely me, my dad, mom, and brother. me and dad will be looking at loco's seriously. then mom and my brother are the comic relief. love to see it. 😂
Welp, ain't I predictable... at 14:46 the valve gear is called allan straight link, a combination of Gooch and Stephenson valve gear.
Thank you for the fun! I don't work on trains and guess where I learned what little I know (teehee) but those sure look _very_ different. Valve gear is wacky. I've got my head about halfway around Walschaerts and this stuff looks like black and red magic. But there's an incomprehensible three cylinder engine in all its red glory! TFS and looking forward to more Europe content! :)
PS. shoutout to your sister, who has a wonderfully snarky sense of humor and I'm here for it.
Yes, definite shoutouts for the snark! As well as the videography.
That Krauss at 9:11 might be a well tank, which would explain the need for a fill that low. As far as I know, they used those well tanks to keep as much weight down low as possible so the tall-ish locomotive wouldnt derail on crappy narrow gauge track.
As for the supposed side tanks, Ive seen smaller locomotive that use that space for tool storage or as bunkers for coal (Which would likely be on the firemans side, whatever side that would be in this case).
Interesting, that makes sense. Cheers!
@@Hyce777 if it IS the LGB engine this correct the saddles are for coal storage
At 12 tons it still is heavy and can injure or kill.
In this episode we hear Hyce say, "Why this" a lot.. lol Love it.
Alternative title:
Hyce has mental breakdowns overseas.
OMG, Mark that tour was absolutely enthralling and entertaining! So much to see and what a fantastic museum collection. GD! I enjoyed seeing the 1860s choo choo but the big red choo choo was WOW. Like you said, could examine that for hours. Amazing and gigantic historic roundhouse too. Mark, I really enjoyed your reactions made me giggle, but seriously I learn so much from your analysis of these objects. So excellent. Many thanks as always Professor for sharing your beautiful experience with us. Many thanks to your mom and sister for the great videography and as always cheers to you all! Looking forward to part 2!!!
Truly entertaining to watch someone so knowledgeable be so befuddled about something I am used to seeing him so informative about. All I can say is: German Engineering. Love your videos, I have learned so much watching you and next time I am in your neck of the woods, my family and I would be honored to meet up at the Colorado Railroad Museum for a tour with you as the docent.
Man, so much smoke pouring out of your ears while watching you figuring out how these monstrosities work. That one with 3 cylinders really threw me.
There should have been a counter with ding sfx that keeps track on how many times Hyce says "Weird".
Every locomotive there has me go "I wanna run that". The Austrian 0-8-0 has the S282 cab even!
Thank you for making more videos about Slovenia! I'm from here and am really proud!
Glad that you enjoyed the museum. Used to spent quite some time in it back when the Ljubljana Railway Lovers Society was located there.
2:02 I think that’s the part that makes the speedometer work.
25:25 correct, that’s the workshop that stores 3 locos (SŽ 25-026, 33-037 and 06-018) which were still operational a few years ago and pulled the museum train. Unfortunately they’re all out of service now.
There’s also one of the locomotives that used to pull Tito’s train there.
The Karl Gölsdorf side of locomotive engineering is a pathway to abilities many consider to be...unnatural.
Seeing Hyce's brain go on the fritz is always entertaining. Keep it up Hyce, love your content.
HYCES REACTIONS TO EUROPEAN LOCOMOTIVE PRACTICES IS SIMILAR TO BACK IN MY VERY EARLY DAYS OF BEING
AN AUTO MECHANIC , AND SEEING THE MECHANICAL WORKING OF A EUROPEAN AUTOMOBILE!!
VERY LUCKILY, I GRADUATED TO TO BE AN COMPETENT LOCOMOTIVE MECHANIC!
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!
👍👍
Quite the amusing coincidence to have you talking about the reason for the all-the-way-through piston rods (at 20:30) on the same day that This Old Tony posts a video talking about how gas struts work, which is exactly the same mechanism!
i was there a month ago, really nice museum, i loved how you could walk around freely in the train yard
Strangely enough, I actually understand Sir Nigel Gresley's valve gear arrangement for the middle cylinder.
Yay, Sumpter Valley, hopefully we get 19 going soon, so one of the tenders we originally put behind the Uintah's will be rolling again!
It's so funny to see you react to totally regular european railroad standards 😀
BTW, most "Why's" can be answered by history and development, as well as sales marketing. Things were very different in the eary years, until the now usual constructions have been established.
Here's a transcript summary of the entire video.
Hyce: What? Why? This is weird.
And I'm sure some foreign train people would come here and say the same thing about our choo choos.
Nice to see some resend pictures of the Prussian G12 in Slovenia, that is the weird three zylinder one at 19:35 we have one working example of this lokomotiv class in Germany, 58 311 from the Dampfnostalgie Karlsruhe.
Well, this is fun! Looks like a worthwhile place to visit. Maybe we need an engineering deepdive 101 on slide and piston valves and how the heck do you keep them working and lubricated? Maybe saturated steam with a little lubrication thrown in was enough? I don't know. I mean, I love trains, I can kinda wrap my head around some of the technical stuff, but I'm a complete ignoramus when it comes to understanding the really technical hows and whys.
7:43 ah, one of the Stainz 0-4-0T's! Four of these were built in 1892 for the Styrian State Railway - today two are left, this one and another in Austria on the Murtalbahn where it's kept in operating condition. And no doubt you'll know why it looks familiar... it's the basis for the classic LGB G-scale 'Stainz' 0-4-0T, which must have been produced in the thousands since its debut in 1968.
Link to the German-language wiki page: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKGLB_1%E2%80%932
19:39 now this one I'm familiar with! It's a Prussian G12 class 2-10-0 heavy freight locomotive. Yes, three cylinders as you note, for ALL the power and better balance, but what makes this type fun is that after the KPEV (Royal Prussian State Railways) brought the first ones, they became a German standard during World War I across all of the major state rail companies. The one you saw, 36-013, actually started life as a Prussian G12, was renumbered as 58 1226 when everything got amalgamated into the Deutsche Reichsbahn in 1921, and then got left behind in Yugoslavia with forty-nine other engines (forty-seven Prussian and two Baden) of the same type after World War II. The red oxide paint scheme wasn't its real in-service livery, rather it's an anti-rust coating so this is presumably still in the process of some form of cosmetic restoration
I have a Märklin H0 scale model of a Württemberg G12, and I love it, gorgeous model and very at home with my Länderbahn-era stock... haven't run it in a while though. Time is fake, motivation is lacking, sad noises.
Anyhoo, link to the German-language wiki page again: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fische_G_12
Sorry for the longwinded comment, keep up the good work!
The long-winded comment is appreciated! The details are always fun to learn. :)
Hyce is like the Uncle Roger, but with trains in this video😅
You should really come to Graz sometime they are running the GKB 671. It's the same series as No. 718, it has a cab and it's operational, being kept alive by a bunch of competent enthusiasts. Built 1860 and never retired since (just temporarily pausing a few years here and there for overhaul), it was equipped with a new boiler and now it's still running quite charmingly, it needs a lot of love though, especially when it comes to lubrication and bearing temperatures.
Gratitude to your sister for her two cents, and for chasing you around with the camera. Hycister ❤
I’m still learning my way around how steam locomotives work, but it was so much fun to be able to put myself in both Hyce’s head (“Ohmygodohmygodohmygodchoochoohowdoesthiswork!!??”) and his sister’s head (“I have no idea what this nerd is talking about”). Can’t wait for the next one!
Mechanical systems are very interesting once one figures out how they work.
It's so complicated yet simple.
If you ever make it to Italy, go to the Leonardo da Vinci museum in Milan. It’s a science and technology museum, but it has a massive collection of Italian railway equipment (steam, diesel, electric) in addition to stationary machines for driving industry. I think it’s well akin to the Smithsonian.
That is an amazing display of steam. The little K3 looks a LOT like the Stainz engines that LGB used in their start sets for ages.
Because that's pretty much exactly what that the model is based on. A Krauss bosnian gauge two-coupler. de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKGLB_1%E2%80%932
That 0-8-0 with the outside cylinders and inside Gooch valve gear is a KkStB (Austrian state railways in Austro-Hungary) class 73. A 1885 Karl Gölsdorf design for the mountainous Arlberg railway and a very successful freight locomotive. They passed onto successor states and some ended up serving as station pilots into the 60s. The one in Ljublanja is 73.372, later Yugoslav Railways 133-005. We have one running in the Czech Railways museum in Lužná u Rakovníka (ČSD 414.096, originally 73.368), but it rarely runs - It's very powerful for tourist trains but the inside valve gear hates modern continuous welded rail - instead of shaking around it "settles down" in a position and tends to overheat the bearings and it's hard to get to to constantly pour oil over it. It's also too slow to go anywhere under it's own power and not hold up traffic, and removing the valve gear and rods to get it somewhere fast is near impossible, we're not used to inside valve gear at all in what once was Austro-Hungary and it's crew often calls it "when Gölsdorf decided to copy a british locomotive just to spite everyone".
The tank 2-6-2 is a Südbahn (South Austrian private railway) class 229 - also a Karl Gölsdorf design made with the main focus on acceleration on suburban trains. They were very popular throughout their lives and here in Czechia we call them "the be-everywhere's" as they were spread throughout the entire network, along with the later superheated and modernized class 629, that was later developed further with the Czech class 354.1. Of the later locomotives many run to this day and 354.195 might be the most popular vehicle for tourist trains in Czechia so it's very easy to get to see it throughout the summer.
Oh and the thing connected to the connecting rod behind the last pair of drive wheels on nearly all european locomotives is the speedometer drive.
ruclips.net/video/L-49E38Ctlg/видео.html Oh and here's a good video of 414.096 getting to stretch it's legs a good bit around the Prague suburban network
@@JensJaskorski Sorry, I must have got it wrong - Tbh i assumed that the nickname 414.096 got recently was correct and I didn't check it.
It's really funny to eatch hyce have a breakdown over pre ww1 austrian engines
All the Cockato Sounds
When she said can't say that 23.07 ish I had my whiskey shoot out my nose as I'm putting hardwood floor in lol
That three cylinder engine is like an effect from an old movie with only vague documentation on how it was done, and physical impossibilities in the way of fully figuring it out.
Absolutely Wonderful!!! Thank you for sharing this with us!
Another great video! Iirc at 5:03 the input steam from the boiler tends to be on the outside of the D valve because of a neat physics thing: it's at a higher pressure than the exhaust steam going through the inside of the D valve, so that pressure difference pushes down on the D valve and creates a seal all on its own.
But also yeah at 7:28 sideways D valves are a vibe; I think there were a whole bunch of European locos that used them tho?
Either way I dunno whether or not I want to see you someday go to the UK and visit the National Railway Museum in York; on the one hand the viewers would be amused at your mental anguish but on the other hand we don't want to break you *too* hard lol
Jeez. I saw the stream you did when you came back, and watching this doesn't make my head hurt any less.
So many "Why"'s, so few "Because..."'s.
**Brain throbs**
Ow.
I’ve actually been here (I’m half Slovene) and it’s a truly amazing museum
Perhaps the 3rd cylinder valve and inclined cylinder on the 3 cylinder locomotive is similar to the UP 9000 series? IIRC, the center valve was driven off the other two valves with everything being 33 degrees out of phase. Something new to learn? 🙂
Yeah I was wondering. I understand gresley conjugated gear but this was weird and hard to see haha
@@Hyce777 If it is a form of conjugated gear I'd love to see how it works. The Gresley variation had issues because the motion was derived in front of the valves, and as the valve rods expanded due to heat the timing would change. Looks like this would have to be derived behind the valves which would eliminate the issue.
Could be more like the Thompson and Peppercorn Pacific’s where all three cylinders had independent sets of Walschaerts valve gear.
I was going to say that it might be Henschel conjugated gear, which I describe as "Gresley, but sideways". Judging by the two parallel shafts, it might be. Although, someone else commented that it could be a separately driven Walschaerts gear, though I feel like Hyce would have been able to pick that.
@@rus0004not if the valve gear for the middle cylinder isn’t easily visible without being underneath. After all, if you look at Tornado you can tell that it’s a 3 cylinder if you look at the front of the engine, but the middle cylinder, I believe, is also sideways which I believe it would have to be in order to have both the valve gear and the main connecting rod attached to the axle on the middle driving axle.
So Hyce isn't confused by Derail Valley's european stuff, but is confused by IRL european stuff
You should visit the ralway museum in Budapest , because it has strange locomotives too and it also has a little garden railway which goes around almost the whole museum and you can even ride it.(There may also be a very goofy streamlined tank engine on display sometimes.There is aslo and entire building dedicated to model trains.)
13:46 Ah yes I am familiar with that one.We have a bus service named after that choo choo...
Krauss locomotives are cool, particularly the small well tank ones.
I look after a 1889 2ft gauge one 😊
All those questions and dissing engineers from days of old so it makes sense in your noggin. Many who had no examples of which to go by , who later through trial and error became that which became the examples , I give them much respect for dealing with what they had or could make. This was almost painful lol. Dont over analyze , just enjoy they are still preserved and able to be seen. Some pretty cool items there , thanks for sharing.
it's very fun to watch hyce's brain melt at european choos
Nice to see some engines from another part of the world great video
Dude 👍
Hyce: Oh, they've got a Uintah Articulated--
Me: (Reaches for pitchfork)
Hyce: --after it was sold to the Sumpter Valley.
Me: (Puts away pitchfork)
Also, cool convertible engine! With a view that good, how long before we see you running 20 without her cab? Lol...
Only Dr. Moedinger got that honor. Lol!
Drinking game.
Everytime hyce laughs in both parts, or gets confused.
762mm "Bosnian Gauge" is common throughout the former Austro-Hungarian Empire. IIRC During construction of one of the first Austrian main lines, British equipment was used. 2'6" Gauge was popular in the UK for contractor's locomotives (we still have two operating 2'6" railways in the UK). When construction was finished the stock was bought by the Austro-Hungarian army and used on one of the first railways in Bosnia (a military line). When more light railways were built in the Empire, they stuck to the same gauge so that rolling stock and locomotives could be common to all the narrow gauge lines.
7.62...that number sounds familiar.
I think it would be pretty cool to have an actual Uintah Articulated at some random Yugoslavian railway museum.
I'm not loco shaming, I'm loco asking why...
13:35 That's an urban legend, he didn't sit on it he just closed the valve tight, it was making a loud annoying whistling sound and he finally got fed up with it. Sadly nobody knew you weren't supposed to do that and The Best Friend of Charleston blew up as a result.
I'm not completely sure but I think the valve gear at 24:00 is Henschel & Son conjugated valve gear. If it was two rocker levers one on top of the other.
Hyce getting culture shock from european locomotives
Northern Pacific had the supported Piston rods on the W-3 2-8-2 Mikadoes, but later in life several of them got it removed.
21:25 Wait, so Zephie from Chuggington's lift-and-spin thing is prototypically correct?! I always thought that was one of the most unrealistic things any "Chugger" in the entire show had, save for Action Chugger being able to fly, and maybe Frostini having a crazy ice cream machine taking up his entire side.
Love the ES & D shirt, wish your shop shipped to Canada
We're working on that! International tax law is a thing.
Alternate title: Confused Hyce noises!
If you are ever in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I recommend to you to go to the John Street Roundhouse in downtown Toronto. It is both a museum and a Brewery, so you can get beer after a tour of seeing all of the trains.
...I'm there this weekend, but with not much time. I'll see if I can! :D
@@Hyce777 I hope you have fun then.
Sorta sad, I remember it when it was active.
Hyce: "How do oil the motion on this 1860s 0-6-0?"; Slovenia: "Pour oil from cab, motion will get oiled, silly American!"
18:22 As a Eurofoamer, I looked at this and was like "yep. It's a prussian P8 but the tender is WEIRD"
This assumption is wrong. Turns out, these are in fact their own thing - Südbahngesellschaft (SB) 109. But the dimensions are SO similar. Cylinder bore and stroke, driving wheel diameter... all within centimeters of one another. It's essentially like a prussian P8 but made in Austria.
Cool! Having spent 2 weeks chasing steam in Germany + Austria in 1970, not much of this seems weird to me. I rode behind a small museum loco with outside Stephenson, the problem was it was easy to get it damaged. That Stephenson mounted inboard on the main crankpin would have been protected somewhat.
I believe the suspension is equalized, just upside down. The bolted vertical suspension rods connect to equalizing rockers down below. In the US, there was a simple conjugating valve gear for 3 cylinder locomotives, mounted out front where it was easy to work on and understand. UK and Euro railroads didn't think much about easy maintenance, and put crazy conjugating gear in between the frames.
The goofy slanted valve chests, I can't help, but they were common on early engines.
Cheers for the context! It looked like it was all pinned in on the frames to me but I could see how there could be levers hiding in there where you can't see them. Plate frames are not something I'm used to either. Chasing back in 1970 must've been rad!
Hyce is like that bird in shrek, he walks into the museum and screams until he explodes.
Man I wish I knew you were comming here I could have answered so many of your questions
just hilarious, a good few chuckles while i enjoyed watching.
oh wow you should check out the railway museum in Budapest, they have some awsome stuff :]]
The convertible is definitely the sports train.
At 2:00, I believe that's a pump oiler. Not the "real McCoy" drip oiler.
Behold, the dingle.
Hi, a small fun fact about Walschaerts valve gear, in Germany and its neighbouring countries "Walschaerts" is called "Heusinger" after German Edmund Heusinger von Waldegg, who invented it in 1849.
So when you talk about German locos, you can call its valve gear by its propper name.
XD great to see Hyce reacting to European trains can't wait to see how he will react if he goes to the NRM in York
Glad to see you getting confused by something rail steam. There has always been several ways to "skin a cat"
You really can’t escape the American Narrow gauge
European railwaymen are a different breed hyce. They do things differently there 😂
External stephenson is the most badass thing to do! DUH
That random lever on the green locomotive was probably the whistle or sander, nonetheless it's pretty and we shall run it on the MAINLIME!!
Am I the only person who like the look of Stevenson valve gear?
I like how it looks. I just prefer it in the frame. lol!
The reason why you need a split brake configuration is when you need to break, and when you need to BREAK!😂😅
0:41 thats usually the case with train museums here in europe, either its a roundhouse or an old shunting yard or something like that. our modern locomotives are all dual cab, so no turntables.
hmmm no turntables on the lines these days which lead to steam engines having to run with a diesel on the tail end for mainline though theres still remnants of turntable pits. Though not all the engines are dual cabs, though ones which arn't generally have dual controls in the same cab.
oh you should totally visist some german museum or an active heritage line with 50/52s
I'm sorry but the locomotive (406) is objectively cool. I'm glad it exists.
Outside eccentrics would be easier to maintain than inside at a time when Walschaerts wasn't commonplace.
OH MAN you do video like this at the B&O Museum already
Thank goodness you’ll now be able to get comment answers to all these burning questions