The last time I bought Federal.22 ammo I had the same results in 3 different rifles. It was a 800 round “range pack.” I’m sticking with CCI, never had a problem with it.
I sincerely appreciate you calling out the conclomerates when they obviously fail. We know you're not a fake/paid shrill because of this. When someone fails to follow through, call them on it. Kudos, your videos are spot on!
Thank you for the nice comment. I personally buy all the firearms that I review in my videos and I tell it like it is. Fortunately most of the firearms that I review work as intended but sometimes I get stuck with a lemon. Thanks again!
I will thoroughly clean the rifle, check the extractor, and try a few different brands of ammo and see what happens. Perhaps Remington, Aguila or CCI Stinger ammo will work better.
@@mixup98 Rock Island deserves at least a fair follow up IMHO. It's the BEST 22 rifle ever made and under $200 on top of it! Please redeem yourself Mixup! The TM22, Rock Island, and Turkey all deserve at least that!
Just for clarification. The TM22's are not made in the Philipinnes (Manila). The are made In Türkiye by the company named Derya. It makes both versions, an aluminum one (a standard TM22) and the newest version, nearly fully synthetic, the TM22 Feather/or TM22-Lite-18. The Rock Island Armory is just an importer. They don't make anything in the US. By the way, I don't quite understand why mixup98's rifle performed so badly. I have the TM22 Feather for some time and it has been working like a champ. It doesn't like SV ammo. It likes HV ammo. I've been shooting Remington Thunderbolt, Remington Golden, Federal Value Pack, CCI Mini Mags and Stingers without any hiccups. Trigger pull weight on the TM22 Feather is absolutely amazing at 2lbs. I should add that I'm in Canada and bought my TM22 Feather through IRUNGUNS. Although, I don't expect that the better quality TM22 Feathers are imported to Canada and the rest is left for the US customers? (just kidding).
I have used an Armscor / RIA M22. It is both reliable and accurate. Most Armscor / RIA semi auto 22s made in Manila are good shooters. They usually have metal frames and some of these models were even used by security agencies. I hope you will be able to solve the problem with this TM 22. Nice video Mixup and Son !
Cute little rifle, BUT......Imagine telling Patton's army in WW2 that they needed to fire 500 rounds before their rifles would start working! Firearms SHOULD work 100% before leaving the factory. (Or state to use hot rounds only)
If it's a high-end hand fit gun, a break-in period isn't a bad thing. Engines with tight tolerances are the same way. But if it's a cheap gun slapped together, the tolerances should be enough for it to run.
@@myfavoritemartian1 wouldn't it have been better to have sent it back to the factory, instead of having to pay a gunsmith? Especially after the first time and he didn't get it fixed.
I have one of these and have not had a single failure with over 300 rounds so far, put a red dot on it and I love this rifle. It is so light and easy to shoot, very accurate and I paid $169 for it! Have only run Blazer (CCI) ammo which is budget priced and it all is good!
Hey mixup! Stay healthy and we'll friend. Keep the videos coming. I almost picked one of these up and glad I didn't. I know you always give honest real reviews so thank you!
You should have continued to pick it up. 99% of TM22s are Wonderful! Just do a tiny bit of research on the reviews. Mixup just found a unicorn lemon(one out of thousands!) He should of made that crystal clear in his totally negative review! It's the best 22 rifle I have EVER purchased by far!! Just like thousands of others!
hoosiercarry1149.....I did read reviews on the TM22 and most of them were very positive, which is why I bought a TM22. Unfortunately I was disappointed in mine as it had several problems as shown in this video. I have reviewed lots of Turkish made firearms, including Canik, Tristar, Weatherby, Rossi, and Winchester and 99% of the reviews were positive. Like it or not I do honest reviews and I give my honest opinion. Maybe 99% of the TM22 are good rifles but I apparently got a bad one. My viewers shouldn't base their opinion on just one video when deciding whether or not to but a certain firearm. I will do a follow-up video on my TM22 and I will again give my honest opinion.
@@mixup98 Thank you Mixup! Love your videos and thoroughly appreciate the time and devotion you put into them with your son! Both you guys are very good shooters and are fun to watch! I apologize for the way I responded. It's just that I have bragged up the TM22 to a LOT of people because of the experience I had with it then to see your review kinda shocked me cuz I put a lot of faith in your opinions on firearms. I hope you and your son had a fantastic Memorial Day!
Hello there sir, it's great to see you and your son today. I always enjoy your videos. That is an interesting polymer version of it's aluminum brother. It looks like you are already seeing the extractor problem right there, and weak ammo doesn't help much. lol In the past I've had similar extractor issues, which required removing it and touching up the rough edges to get it to move freely in it's slot. You two did a through test on that little guy and I look forward to seeing your follow up on it. Have a great weekend and be blessed and safe. :)
Hello ericlee. I have read lots of good reviews on the aluminum version of this rifle so I was very disappointed in this polymer version. I will pull out the extractor and smooth it up slightly and see what happens.
If it wasn't for your video a sucker like me might buy one of those since I own some Rock Island pistols which I like pretty well. Great informational video.
I own a Rock Island 1911 and it's a great pistol. I also own several Rock Island revolvers and they shoot great. Yeah, I was disappointed in this .22 rifle
I bought a CMMG 22lr bolt conversion for my AR for $130. No FTE, FTF or failure to fire on 11 different types of ammo. Why waste money on another rifle?
I have the TM-22 A-20 with Pic rail. I have ran every type of ammo through it I could find, including some old rounds of my Dad's from the 70s that looked oil contaminated. After well over 2000 rounds, I haven't even had a light primer strike, let alone a failure to feed or extract. It is boringly accurate too. Probably the most fun firearm I own to shoot, especially if I'm shooting a lot of rounds.
Your honesty and experience are always appreciated, sir. I’ve based s few purchases largely on your vids. Keep ‘em coming; summertime excluded of course😉
Thanks for the demo! At least it LOOKS pretty. I've got a Rock RIVER Arms PCC 9mm which has never once failed eats everything. That, and the Colt LE are my babies. Thank you!!
My buddy bought the aluminum version and has run alright, hope you get yours fixed . First I thought it was the ammo , I usually don't have any Winchester 22lr .My local sportsman's outdoor shooting area has been flooded
Mixup always great to see you both as always well I have to say I’m a little surprised at the results there but looking forward to the follow up hopefully it’s better. Have a great one. Take care out there.
As unpleasant as it is to watch a gun failure video, it is always fun to watch you guys work . I personally have not had good luck with Winchester Rim Fire ammo .
Hello Dennis. My son and I didn't have a lot of fun shooting the TM22 but we loved getting outdoors and spending the day together. We explored some beautiful canyons, ate an MRE for lunch, and my son took some great photos 👍😎 😎👍
I bought the Tm 22 all metal version. A deal PSA had for 199.00 . I have not had a problem with it yet have tried different ammo from auto match , federal blue box , Winchester white box, and Remmington golden. Maybe you guys just got a lemon. Hope to see a follow up.
Mine worked great at first, then started to not cycle like yours. I took her apart and noticed the spring in front of the trigger was bent up and rubbing on the bolt as it cycled. I bent that spring down and it works just fine again.
I hope you figure out the problem. Maybe polish the chamber if the shells are sticking to the point they can't be extracted? Some ammunition has more lube on it than others, so maybe that's why the other brands don't work at all, and the CCI quits working after so many rounds. I took the 10/22 out yesterday and sighted in a new 4x32 Simmons 22Mag scope I had sitting in storage. After I sighted it in, I saw a can up on the side of the hill at about 200 yards and figured why not? Dang if I didn't hit it on the 2nd shot. Then I hit it another 3 times after that and it bounced out of sight behind a boulder. Ammo was old (pre-Y2k ) Federal bulk pack.
Great shooting. A lot of shooters don't realize how accurate a .22 rifle can be, especially with a decent scope on it. I'm also impressed with your pre-Y2k ammo. 👍😎
Mine doesn't like that Federal either. Running Agulia flawlessly. Wished I hadn't stocked up so much of the Federal, going to get a revolver to use it up.
It may have already been mentioned but the bullet of the live round may be hanging up in the rifle grooves and that's why the live round won't eject. Maybe the throat isn't cut deep enough? I've heard of this once before.
That looks like it could be fun gun, esp for those of us who enjoy shooting affordable .22lr. I'm looking forward to the follow-up vid. I'll repeat what somebody else suggested, let RIA know what issues you're having, maybe the factory will (I'm being optimistic here) track down the problems and correct them.
I've got a RIA 12 gauge AR12 and its an absolute beast of a shotgun! No FTF's, No Jams and no FTE's it even groups really nice. It does not like low velocity dove rounds BUT it is not a "dove" gun. It eats 2 3/4 and 3in high brass slugs and buckshot like I ate cheeseburgers when I was playing football back in HS. RIA is not comparable to any American made gun manufacturer other than perhaps Keltech BUT for the price point it is a fun range banger. If it was a self defense situation my Remington 870 or my Mossberg 500 would be my only considerations.
I have the TM22-A-18 all metal version. Mine does not like Federal Automatch. Nothing new there since many of my 22lr pistols and rifles don’t like it either. No problems with CCI or Aguilla standard or high velocity rounds. Haven’t tried any Winchester or Remington yet. Sorry your polymer Lite version doesn’t function properly. Thanks for the always great videos.
If it has cycling issue, try this: "Mine would only cycle Mini Mag and Aguila Super Extra, cheap bulk was single shot. I fixed it with a cheap generic ebay spring. I posted details on thefiringline forum semi auto rifle section. Search for "TM22 Feather failure to cycle fix"."
The TM22 loved the CCI Mini Mags but for some reason would not eject live rounds which seems strange since the rifle had no problem ejecting the unfired Auto Match ammo.
Makes me happy our polymer 22lr rifle choice was a Winchester Wildcat. Lightweight, reliable, and she eats everything. RIA's Turkish side is a bit dubious, unfortunately. Great video sir! Happy Saturday! 🤠
Agreed on Winchester Wildcat. A lot of polymer but a unique cool takedown and ability to adjust the trigger and onboard tools. And takes Ruger mags. Way fun gun.
That is an absolute shame cuz my TM (Total Metal) 22 is an absolute GEM!! It is the BEST 22 carbine out there in my NotSoHumbleOpinion. Less that $200. No hiccups after well over 1000 rounds. Accurate as the day is long. The BEST trigger than any other gun I have including any 1911 or AR After Market Triggers! I know this all sounds crazy, but it's the God's honest truth!. But it seems you got stuck with the all-plastic one....damn that's too bad!! I knew the law of average just had to catch up with you with all the great deals you've been getting at Pawn Stars their in Vegas! Chin Up and continue on down the road, soldier!!🙃.
I wish to thank you a lesson on ammo brands and what does your weapon like . Have an old Mosburg 22 jammed all the time now going back variety of ammo.
The not ejecting the live round is actually a normal thing for rifles with a tight match chamber, believe it or not neither my bergara or vudoo will extract live rounds either. Not giving it a pass on the other problems though.
Any updates? Just came back from a mens retreat with the exact same issue, bought the same exact Winchester ammo.. the range master put the gun out of commission and just haven’t gotten around to checking into it further so hoping you have some clues to help. Thanks
I have taken the gun apart and it appears that the extractors (yes, it actually has dual extractors) are rubbing when the bolt closes. I will take out the extractors, polish them and see if that fixes the problem.
My S&W 15-22 has run CCI mini mag, CCI stingers, CCI velociters, Aguila super extra, and Winchester super x without issue. Some were hollow point and some round, it didn't seem to care either way. A fun little range toy and an excellent training aid.
I've seen a lot of bad reviews on this. I have a TM22A20. Total aluminum $260 out the door with a free 25 rd polymer mag. I'm hitting 6" steel with a red dot at 165 yds. I have had some FTF/FTE issues but not bad. Love this gun.
I have no problems with mine. I do not have the light version. I am shooting the federal auto match and aguila high velocity. Sad to see you are having these problems.
I don't know about this rifle? For 2 bills I can get bolt and mag for an AR? But my marlin 66, she shoots any 22 hahah but CCI well it is the best in my book. Thanks and take care!
I had one and the only issue with them is the spring in the mag, they aren’t that strong which lead to failure and crushed bullets. I still love it and plan on buying another
I always have good luck with CCI. The Federal Auto Match is inconsistant. Some boxes are good some are a nightmare. I have also had good luck with Aguila 40gr round nose copper but my Rossi RS22 won't run the Aguila
CCI seems to cycle anything and everything. It's pretty much the only .22 I run in semi-autos because everything else has mixed results. It'll be interesting to see what your digging uncovers with this gun. I like the aesthetic but there are many better .22s for the money.
I picked up the standard for under $300 and it has been working flawlessly after 500 plus loads down range. It hates cci and loves Aguila and Fiocchi 38 and 40 grain.. Great tough fun little 22..
I got a TM 22, and have suffered failures due to the recoil/buffer rubber failing multiple times. I wish they came up with a better design. im considering trying to fit a standard AR buffer and spring and seeing how that works.
That's really weird that you can't eject a live round. Got to have something to do with the extractor. Other than that, it looks like a real nice gun. Thanks or the video, enjoyed it,
I'm going to try several other brands of ammo (Remington, Aguila) and see if they will work in the TM22. I might have to pull out the extractor and tweak it slightly.
In Canada we have "Derya" TM22s and I know multiple people with over 2,000rounds. No failures. We don't sell the RIA polymer versions, thank goodness These polymer RIAs seem to have bad QC Zero issue with the Deryas over here.
In Canada we also have a polymer version, the TM22 Feather which can be had from IRUNGUNS on their Canadian site. I have one in "burnt bronze" which I bought in February 2024. Fantastic rifle. It shoots every type of 22LR ammo without any problem even the Federal Auto Match. IMO the Feather version is better designed than the original aluminum version.
I have several questions for you Jeff. Did your rifle actually cycle Federal Auto Match ammo? Mine didn't. Did you check to see if your rifle would extract live rounds? As you know my rifle was reliable with CCI ammo but wouldn't extract live rounds.
Try this cheap fix: "Mine would only cycle Mini Mag and Aguila Super Extra, cheap bulk was single shot. I fixed it with a cheap generic ebay spring. I posted details on thefiringline forum semi auto rifle section. Search for "TM22 Feather failure to cycle fix"."
If you ever want an old school accurate and unique .22, check out the Beretta Olympia bolt action/semi auto. Weatherby also sold them under their brand. Old school craftsmanship and accuracy-John in Texas
There's an online deal for for VR70 + TM22 for $469. I couldn't find anything of the VR70, but apparently its an AR style version of the VR60 and I've seen on great things about that one. I hadn't seen anything on the TM22, until today. Probably better off buying the VR60 and then getting one of those Rossi 22 rifles for another $120 (or so) and for about the same price. Another great video that pulls no punches. Unfortunately, a lot of gun channels will strictly focus on a gun's positive aspects while barely touching on what's not good about it and if they do it's typically something trivial like how they hate the finish or the mag release could be a bit bigger, pfft!
You can't go wrong with the Rossi RS22, which I reviewed several years ago and it's a great little rifle. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with the VR60 or VR70
A burning question I have for ANY firearm is: why is this being made? What does THIS do better/different than a million other guns on the market? I am not saying there shouldnt be innovation or creativity.. but... We have superb and reliable Ruger 10/22s and their clones, we have Smith and Wesson MP15-22s that are basically 1-1 AR15s, we have tipmans and H&K-clones that all work reliably... There are so many spot on looking AR15 22 rifles that have everything a person might want or the ability to customize. Then something like this comes along - and again im asking that big ol question: what and why...
The further on into the video the more clear the “500 round break in” becomes. Once again, CCI comes through. I’ve noticed over the past few years, the springs on these “cheaper” guns are often too stiff. A friend bought a cheaper auto 12 gauge last year and both springs were way too stout. Could barely get two shells in the tube, and it wouldn’t even cycle high brass. Of course the old saying remains to be true most times, “ya get what ya pay for”.
My Winchester Cooey Model 64 eats anything and fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. It is new of course I got it in 1970 and no service needed.. break in was not even a thing. Plastic guns are junk like they are supposed to be. Great video you guys tell it like it is and no politics or selling us anything.. love it!!
@danielleclare2938 Winchester 190 from 1975 still going and still eats everything. No break in when it was new either. Thousands of rounds. It is not junk.
I just bought a tm22 s18. Very accurate with a $30 scope on it. but I had problems FTF and FTE. Only came with one mag and mags for the S18 are impossible to find. I was shooting Remington thunderbolt. Wonder if the operating spring may be part of the issue. At $80 it is no great loss, but accuracy and super trigger on this make it a shame it does not operate more consistently.
I don't know about the operating spring but the hammer spring seems very heavy and that could be part of the problem if the bolt isn't cycling properly. It is a shame that the rifle has a super trigger, match grade barrel with great accuracy, yet it doesn't want to fire or eject properly.
Had much better luck on my second outing. Find this rifle likes a liberal amount of oil and also polished all visible surfaces of the feed mechanism. Hand altered a couple tm22 mags to fit the S18 version which took about 45 minutes each. Worked fine with thunderbolt, golden bullets and minimags this time. I also picked up a refurbished feather that worked great out of the box with any ammo, though I wish the peep sight was a little smaller.
I wonder if it likes Armscor 22 ammo….. About fiver years ago I had to send my new 10-22 Takedown back to Ruger. It would not feed anything. When I got it back it looks like all the did was chamfer the chamber mouth. I also picked up a second barrel. That barrel had a burr at the crown. Everybody screws up occasionally. If I was with Armscor I would be contacting you to get the rifle back to do a QC audit. You are convenient as Armscor’s main office is in Pharump. One cannot fix a problem if one does not know know there is a problem.
From what I remember researching the Taurus TX 22 and Sig Sauer 22 rimfire pistols 2 or 3 years back, that was one of the reasons they quoted as to getting them to work reliably with nearly any type of 22 ammo - besides a fixed barrel, they chamfered the chamber mouth. FYI, I ended up getting a TX 22, as the Sig Sauer model was a hot item and unobtanium at the time.
Aguila & CCI have been the best .22LR ammo for me. They tend to work in everything. You still want to have a platform that will run about anything, though.
I had a Marlin .22 that looked likecan M1 carbine. Great rifle,but after time it only liked Stingers. I found the nylon buffer block was cracked,not convinced thstvwas the issue.
I bought a Model 60 back in the late 70's. The nylon buffer cracked and fell apart during the mid-80's. Pieces hit me in the face iirc. Got one on Numrich for something like $1.29...it was a pita to put in, but the rifle still works to thus day. In fact, I did a thorough cleaning on it a couple years ago and the replacement buffer looks fine. I'm thinking Marlin got a bad batch of buffers if they had them made...if they made 'em in-house, well bad nylon or QC will do it. My grandkids love the Model 60 as do I.
I've got a TM22 A-18 all aluminum and it's an absolute beast. Accuracy and reliability are hard to match. I liked it so much, I decided to get this feather light for my son to mess around with. It's been an absolute mess!! Can't get it to consistently feed any ammo, extractor issues like in this video, and the worst part? I can't get a group of 3 shots under 1-1/2" at 25 yards! This with the same optic, and mount as I used on the aluminum version. It's such a huge disappointment.
well im pretty well set for .22 rifles and pistols so had no intentions of buying this but im certain the folks at rock island will correct the issues with these guns
The last time I bought Federal.22 ammo I had the same results in 3 different rifles. It was a 800 round “range pack.” I’m sticking with CCI, never had a problem with it.
I use CCI exclusively (unless I’m handed some free .22 from time to time). Nothing else comes close to its reliability.
I sincerely appreciate you calling out the conclomerates when they obviously fail. We know you're not a fake/paid shrill because of this. When someone fails to follow through, call them on it. Kudos, your videos are spot on!
Thank you for the nice comment. I personally buy all the firearms that I review in my videos and I tell it like it is. Fortunately most of the firearms that I review work as intended but sometimes I get stuck with a lemon. Thanks again!
Looking forward to the follow up to see if the problem was discovered. Thanks for the video!
I will thoroughly clean the rifle, check the extractor, and try a few different brands of ammo and see what happens. Perhaps Remington, Aguila or CCI Stinger ammo will work better.
@@mixup98 Rock Island deserves at least a fair follow up IMHO. It's the BEST 22 rifle ever made and under $200 on top of it! Please redeem yourself Mixup! The TM22, Rock Island, and Turkey all deserve at least that!
hoosiercarry1149...See my response below.
Sometimes the spring is tight and causes jams, leave the bolt pulled back when storing it , helps the spring loosen up
Just for clarification. The TM22's are not made in the Philipinnes (Manila). The are made In Türkiye by the company named Derya. It makes both versions, an aluminum one (a standard TM22) and the newest version, nearly fully synthetic, the TM22 Feather/or TM22-Lite-18. The Rock Island Armory is just an importer. They don't make anything in the US.
By the way, I don't quite understand why mixup98's rifle performed so badly. I have the TM22 Feather for some time and it has been working like a champ. It doesn't like SV ammo. It likes HV ammo. I've been shooting Remington Thunderbolt, Remington Golden, Federal Value Pack, CCI Mini Mags and Stingers without any hiccups. Trigger pull weight on the TM22 Feather is absolutely amazing at 2lbs.
I should add that I'm in Canada and bought my TM22 Feather through IRUNGUNS. Although, I don't expect that the better quality TM22 Feathers are imported to Canada and the rest is left for the US customers? (just kidding).
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That Star Trek beam down, still the best on the net. 🤣👍
Agreed!
Awesome.....thank you! 👍😎 👍👽
Yep, brings back childhood memories.👍
I have to agree!
You might be disappointed, but the video turned into a good PSA. Don't fret it 🤠👍
Great point!
I have used an Armscor / RIA M22. It is both reliable and accurate. Most Armscor / RIA semi auto 22s made in Manila are good shooters. They usually have metal frames and some of these models were even used by security agencies. I hope you will be able to solve the problem with this TM 22. Nice video Mixup and Son !
I had a AP-74
You'd think after almost 150 years of making them, we'd have figured out how to make reliable .22 blowback actions. Evidently not.
I've got 2 of the all metal versions in 18 and 20 inch great shooters very accurate and reliable
I'm looking forward to the follow-up video.
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Me too!
Any more info on the follow-up video??
I have other projects in the works right now but I will do a follow-up video to my rifle.....I promise!
Cute little rifle, BUT......Imagine telling Patton's army in WW2 that they needed to fire 500 rounds before their rifles would start working! Firearms SHOULD work 100% before leaving the factory. (Or state to use hot rounds only)
It used to be like that, in the good old days
I think it would be worse telling Patton that he would have to use 22lr ammo in WW2 lol
@@dannydoughboy120 My Kimber micro took 500 rounds and 3 trips to a gunsmith.
If it's a high-end hand fit gun, a break-in period isn't a bad thing. Engines with tight tolerances are the same way. But if it's a cheap gun slapped together, the tolerances should be enough for it to run.
@@myfavoritemartian1 wouldn't it have been better to have sent it back to the factory, instead of having to pay a gunsmith? Especially after the first time and he didn't get it fixed.
I have one of these and have not had a single failure with over 300 rounds so far, put a red dot on it and I love this rifle. It is so light and easy to shoot, very accurate and I paid $169 for it! Have only run Blazer (CCI) ammo which is budget priced and it all is good!
They should provide a box of 500 rounds of CCI for the break-in as part of the package lol - as always, enjoyed the vid!!
Hey mixup! Stay healthy and we'll friend. Keep the videos coming. I almost picked one of these up and glad I didn't. I know you always give honest real reviews so thank you!
You should have continued to pick it up. 99% of TM22s are Wonderful! Just do a tiny bit of research on the reviews. Mixup just found a unicorn lemon(one out of thousands!) He should of made that crystal clear in his totally negative review! It's the best 22 rifle I have EVER purchased by far!! Just like thousands of others!
hoosiercarry1149.....I did read reviews on the TM22 and most of them were very positive, which is why I bought a TM22. Unfortunately I was disappointed in mine as it had several problems as shown in this video. I have reviewed lots of Turkish made firearms, including Canik, Tristar, Weatherby, Rossi, and Winchester and 99% of the reviews were positive. Like it or not I do honest reviews and I give my honest opinion. Maybe 99% of the TM22 are good rifles but I apparently got a bad one. My viewers shouldn't base their opinion on just one video when deciding whether or not to but a certain firearm. I will do a follow-up video on my TM22 and I will again give my honest opinion.
@@mixup98 Thank you Mixup! Love your videos and thoroughly appreciate the time and devotion you put into them with your son! Both you guys are very good shooters and are fun to watch! I apologize for the way I responded. It's just that I have bragged up the TM22 to a LOT of people because of the experience I had with it then to see your review kinda shocked me cuz I put a lot of faith in your opinions on firearms. I hope you and your son had a fantastic Memorial Day!
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Hello there sir, it's great to see you and your son today. I always enjoy your videos. That is an interesting polymer version of it's aluminum brother. It looks like you are already seeing the extractor problem right there, and weak ammo doesn't help much. lol In the past I've had similar extractor issues, which required removing it and touching up the rough edges to get it to move freely in it's slot. You two did a through test on that little guy and I look forward to seeing your follow up on it. Have a great weekend and be blessed and safe. :)
Hello ericlee. I have read lots of good reviews on the aluminum version of this rifle so I was very disappointed in this polymer version. I will pull out the extractor and smooth it up slightly and see what happens.
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@@mixup98 polish the chamber with 0000 steel wool also
If it wasn't for your video a sucker like me might buy one of those since I own some Rock Island pistols which I like pretty well. Great informational video.
I own a Rock Island 1911 and it's a great pistol. I also own several Rock Island revolvers and they shoot great. Yeah, I was disappointed in this .22 rifle
Stick with the standard TM22. It’s significantly cheaper than the feather version and runs like clockwork.
I bought a CMMG 22lr bolt conversion for my AR for $130. No FTE, FTF or failure to fire on 11 different types of ammo. Why waste money on another rifle?
Thanks for the review. I’ll be waiting for the follow-up.
Opening scene: Ooooohhhhhh, a CA Legal AR-15 variant! LOL
I have the TM-22 A-20 with Pic rail. I have ran every type of ammo through it I could find, including some old rounds of my Dad's from the 70s that looked oil contaminated. After well over 2000 rounds, I haven't even had a light primer strike, let alone a failure to feed or extract. It is boringly accurate too. Probably the most fun firearm I own to shoot, especially if I'm shooting a lot of rounds.
Your honesty and experience are always appreciated, sir. I’ve based s few purchases largely on your vids. Keep ‘em coming; summertime excluded of course😉
Thanks for the demo! At least it LOOKS pretty. I've got a Rock RIVER Arms PCC 9mm which has never once failed eats everything. That, and the Colt LE are my babies. Thank you!!
A good cleaning and a little lube might fix things. Thanks for the reviews mixup!
Hope you get it running Mixup ,,, always dissappointing when you have issues ! Always enjoy the videos !
I havent had winchester run very well in anything when it comes to 22, at least in the past few years
My buddy bought the aluminum version and has run alright, hope you get yours fixed . First I thought it was the ammo , I usually don't have any Winchester 22lr .My local sportsman's outdoor shooting area has been flooded
Mixup always great to see you both as always well I have to say I’m a little surprised at the results there but looking forward to the follow up hopefully it’s better. Have a great one. Take care out there.
As unpleasant as it is to watch a gun failure video, it is always fun to watch you guys work . I personally have not had good luck with Winchester Rim Fire ammo .
Hello Dennis. My son and I didn't have a lot of fun shooting the TM22 but we loved getting outdoors and spending the day together. We explored some beautiful canyons, ate an MRE for lunch, and my son took some great photos 👍😎 😎👍
Great video as always. I like the looks of that rifle a lot, I hope it breaks in or that you find some simple thing that's causing it's issues.
Thanks for taking us along. Let us know if that problem gets resolved.
I bought the Tm 22 all metal version. A deal PSA had for 199.00 . I have not had a problem with it yet have tried different ammo from auto match , federal blue box , Winchester white box, and Remmington golden. Maybe you guys just got a lemon. Hope to see a follow up.
Mine worked great at first, then started to not cycle like yours. I took her apart and noticed the spring in front of the trigger was bent up and rubbing on the bolt as it cycled. I bent that spring down and it works just fine again.
I hope you figure out the problem. Maybe polish the chamber if the shells are sticking to the point they can't be extracted? Some ammunition has more lube on it than others, so maybe that's why the other brands don't work at all, and the CCI quits working after so many rounds.
I took the 10/22 out yesterday and sighted in a new 4x32 Simmons 22Mag scope I had sitting in storage. After I sighted it in, I saw a can up on the side of the hill at about 200 yards and figured why not? Dang if I didn't hit it on the 2nd shot. Then I hit it another 3 times after that and it bounced out of sight behind a boulder. Ammo was old (pre-Y2k ) Federal bulk pack.
Great shooting. A lot of shooters don't realize how accurate a .22 rifle can be, especially with a decent scope on it. I'm also impressed with your pre-Y2k ammo. 👍😎
@@mixup98 The $6 price tag on the 550 round count box reminds me of what we've lost since then.
@@latigomorgan Wow....that is an old box of ammo!
@@mixup98 I shot about half the box with zero problems. The only hangups happened when using an old Butler Creek Hot Lips 25 round mag.
My M-206 manual says to fire 500 rounds for break-in. I think it's just boilerplate with RIA.
Mine doesn't like that Federal either. Running Agulia flawlessly. Wished I hadn't stocked up so much of the Federal, going to get a revolver to use it up.
It may have already been mentioned but the bullet of the live round may be hanging up in the rifle grooves and that's why the live round won't eject. Maybe the throat isn't cut deep enough? I've heard of this once before.
That looks like it could be fun gun, esp for those of us who enjoy shooting affordable .22lr. I'm looking forward to the follow-up vid. I'll repeat what somebody else suggested, let RIA know what issues you're having, maybe the factory will (I'm being optimistic here) track down the problems and correct them.
I've got a RIA 12 gauge AR12 and its an absolute beast of a shotgun! No FTF's, No Jams and no FTE's it even groups really nice.
It does not like low velocity dove rounds BUT it is not a "dove" gun. It eats 2 3/4 and 3in high brass slugs and buckshot like I ate cheeseburgers when I was playing football back in HS.
RIA is not comparable to any American made gun manufacturer other than perhaps Keltech BUT for the price point it is a fun range banger. If it was a self defense situation my Remington 870 or my Mossberg 500 would be my only considerations.
That's too bad, looked like a fun rifle. Looking forward to the follow up video.
Likes that CCI, well enough. Thanks for the share!!
Everything likes CCI. It’s far superior to any other .22 ammo on the market.
I have the TM22-A-18 all metal version. Mine does not like Federal Automatch. Nothing new there since many of my 22lr pistols and rifles don’t like it either. No problems with CCI or Aguilla standard or high velocity rounds. Haven’t tried any Winchester or Remington yet. Sorry your polymer Lite version doesn’t function properly. Thanks for the always great videos.
I just got mine in on Monday, I have to wait till Friday though to actually handle it due to Colorado's 3 day wait but I'm still excited for it
If it has cycling issue, try this: "Mine would only cycle Mini Mag and Aguila Super Extra, cheap bulk was single shot. I fixed it with a cheap generic ebay spring. I posted details on thefiringline forum semi auto rifle section. Search for "TM22 Feather failure to cycle fix"."
CCI Mini-Mags... the only .22 LR ammo I shoot. Auto-Match (in particular) is for the birds.
The TM22 loved the CCI Mini Mags but for some reason would not eject live rounds which seems strange since the rifle had no problem ejecting the unfired Auto Match ammo.
Makes me happy our polymer 22lr rifle choice was a Winchester Wildcat. Lightweight, reliable, and she eats everything. RIA's Turkish side is a bit dubious, unfortunately. Great video sir! Happy Saturday! 🤠
I have the Wildcat as well. What an AWESOME 10/22 alternative! Absolutely great rifle!
The funny thing is that Winchester wildcat was made in Turkey just like the RIA line you’re referring too.
Agreed on Winchester Wildcat. A lot of polymer but a unique cool takedown and ability to adjust the trigger and onboard tools. And takes Ruger mags. Way fun gun.
Seemed to start off good but not so good at the end. I hope you get it running. I would like to see more of it if you do. Thanks for the video. 👽
Maybe it's just me but I thought the CCI ammo sounded louder than the others. Looking forward to the follow-up review.
Reminds me of a walther p22. It would only fire cci rounds,until I polished the feed ramp. Now it shoots everything. Still don't understand it.
That rifle looks like someone tried to build an M4 from memory (someone with a defective memory, no less) with a MAC 11 receiver and bolt. 😳
@@markmathisen3908 hahaha
That is an absolute shame cuz my TM (Total Metal) 22 is an absolute GEM!! It is the BEST 22 carbine out there in my NotSoHumbleOpinion. Less that $200. No hiccups after well over 1000 rounds. Accurate as the day is long. The BEST trigger than any other gun I have including any 1911 or AR After Market Triggers! I know this all sounds crazy, but it's the God's honest truth!. But it seems you got stuck with the all-plastic one....damn that's too bad!! I knew the law of average just had to catch up with you with all the great deals you've been getting at Pawn Stars their in Vegas! Chin Up and continue on down the road, soldier!!🙃.
Same
Picked up the same rifle and same single shot issue with the federal… going to have to try CCI
I wish to thank you a lesson on ammo brands and what does your weapon like . Have an old Mosburg 22 jammed all the time now going back variety of ammo.
The not ejecting the live round is actually a normal thing for rifles with a tight match chamber, believe it or not neither my bergara or vudoo will extract live rounds either. Not giving it a pass on the other problems though.
Any updates? Just came back from a mens retreat with the exact same issue, bought the same exact Winchester ammo.. the range master put the gun out of commission and just haven’t gotten around to checking into it further so hoping you have some clues to help. Thanks
I have taken the gun apart and it appears that the extractors (yes, it actually has dual extractors) are rubbing when the bolt closes. I will take out the extractors, polish them and see if that fixes the problem.
My S&W 15-22 has run CCI mini mag, CCI stingers, CCI velociters, Aguila super extra, and Winchester super x without issue. Some were hollow point and some round, it didn't seem to care either way. A fun little range toy and an excellent training aid.
I've seen a lot of bad reviews on this. I have a TM22A20. Total aluminum $260 out the door with a free 25 rd polymer mag. I'm hitting 6" steel with a red dot at 165 yds. I have had some FTF/FTE issues but not bad. Love this gun.
I have no problems with mine. I do not have the light version. I am shooting the federal auto match and aguila high velocity. Sad to see you are having these problems.
I bought a S&W 15/22 and it shot 100% from the first day and hasn't malfunctioned once in 13 years.
I don't know about this rifle? For 2 bills I can get bolt and mag for an AR? But my marlin 66, she shoots any 22 hahah but CCI well it is the best in my book. Thanks and take care!
I had one and the only issue with them is the spring in the mag, they aren’t that strong which lead to failure and crushed bullets. I still love it and plan on buying another
Bummer. It's kinda cool. Think it would be pleasurable to geek out on it on a rainy day. Sit at the bench, strip it down, and discover.
Got the derya 22tm I’m using federal seems to failure to eject randomly so has to do all with ammo , what grain is that cci
HI GUYS GREAT TO SEE YA
AT LEAST IT LOOKS GOOD OR SHOULD I SAY LOOKS RIGHT, HOWS THEIR VR60 SHOTGUNS IVE BEEN WANTING ONE
Hello Sandra. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with the VR60 but hopefully that will change someday.
I always have good luck with CCI. The Federal Auto Match is inconsistant. Some boxes are good some are a nightmare. I have also had good luck with Aguila 40gr round nose copper but my Rossi RS22 won't run the Aguila
CCI seems to cycle anything and everything. It's pretty much the only .22 I run in semi-autos because everything else has mixed results. It'll be interesting to see what your digging uncovers with this gun. I like the aesthetic but there are many better .22s for the money.
I picked up the standard for under $300 and it has been working flawlessly after 500 plus loads down range.
It hates cci and loves Aguila and Fiocchi 38 and 40 grain..
Great tough fun little 22..
I got a TM 22, and have suffered failures due to the recoil/buffer rubber failing multiple times. I wish they came up with a better design. im considering trying to fit a standard AR buffer and spring and seeing how that works.
If you are having problems with the rubber pushing into the buffer tube, the fix is backing it with a metal washer. There are how to vids.
Winchester Super X is garbage in anything semi-auto. Always has been. In fact, I never buy Winchester anything anymore. Love the video!
I won one of these in a raffle... I really dont like the factory stock. Will any AR stock fit it?
Are the CCI's hotter rounds than the rest?-John in Texas
CCI ammo is slightly hotter than the ammo used in this video.
This was very helpful! Thank you
You are very welcome Tyler and thank you for watching my video.
Have you been able to retest the tm22? I'm just wondering because I'm looking at the rifle.
That's really weird that you can't eject a live round. Got to have something to do with the extractor. Other than that, it looks like a real nice gun. Thanks or the video, enjoyed it,
I'm going to try several other brands of ammo (Remington, Aguila) and see if they will work in the TM22. I might have to pull out the extractor and tweak it slightly.
I have similar feed problems with the CMMG 22 LR bolt replacement for AR 15's
That's too bad. It's a cool looking little gun. It can be hit or miss with some of the cheap .22's, I guess.
In Canada we have "Derya" TM22s and I know multiple people with over 2,000rounds. No failures. We don't sell the RIA polymer versions, thank goodness
These polymer RIAs seem to have bad QC
Zero issue with the Deryas over here.
In Canada we also have a polymer version, the TM22 Feather which can be had from IRUNGUNS on their Canadian site. I have one in "burnt bronze" which I bought in February 2024. Fantastic rifle. It shoots every type of 22LR ammo without any problem even the Federal Auto Match. IMO the Feather version is better designed than the original aluminum version.
300 rounds of CCI mini mags, No issues at all. I tried Federal auto match had at least one failure on almost every magazine.
I have several questions for you Jeff. Did your rifle actually cycle Federal Auto Match ammo? Mine didn't. Did you check to see if your rifle would extract live rounds? As you know my rifle was reliable with CCI ammo but wouldn't extract live rounds.
Try this cheap fix: "Mine would only cycle Mini Mag and Aguila Super Extra, cheap bulk was single shot. I fixed it with a cheap generic ebay spring. I posted details on thefiringline forum semi auto rifle section. Search for "TM22 Feather failure to cycle fix"."
If you ever want an old school accurate and unique .22, check out the Beretta Olympia bolt action/semi auto. Weatherby also sold them under their brand. Old school craftsmanship and accuracy-John in Texas
There's an online deal for for VR70 + TM22 for $469. I couldn't find anything of the VR70, but apparently its an AR style version of the VR60 and I've seen on great things about that one. I hadn't seen anything on the TM22, until today. Probably better off buying the VR60 and then getting one of those Rossi 22 rifles for another $120 (or so) and for about the same price.
Another great video that pulls no punches. Unfortunately, a lot of gun channels will strictly focus on a gun's positive aspects while barely touching on what's not good about it and if they do it's typically something trivial like how they hate the finish or the mag release could be a bit bigger, pfft!
You can't go wrong with the Rossi RS22, which I reviewed several years ago and it's a great little rifle. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with the VR60 or VR70
A burning question I have for ANY firearm is: why is this being made? What does THIS do better/different than a million other guns on the market? I am not saying there shouldnt be innovation or creativity.. but... We have superb and reliable Ruger 10/22s and their clones, we have Smith and Wesson MP15-22s that are basically 1-1 AR15s, we have tipmans and H&K-clones that all work reliably... There are so many spot on looking AR15 22 rifles that have everything a person might want or the ability to customize. Then something like this comes along - and again im asking that big ol question: what and why...
The further on into the video the more clear the “500 round break in” becomes. Once again, CCI comes through.
I’ve noticed over the past few years, the springs on these “cheaper” guns are often too stiff. A friend bought a cheaper auto 12 gauge last year and both springs were way too stout. Could barely get two shells in the tube, and it wouldn’t even cycle high brass. Of course the old saying remains to be true most times, “ya get what ya pay for”.
My Winchester Cooey Model 64 eats anything and fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. It is new of course I got it in 1970 and no service needed.. break in was not even a thing. Plastic guns are junk like they are supposed to be. Great video you guys tell it like it is and no politics or selling us anything.. love it!!
My Remington Nylon 66 is the opposite of junk.
@danielleclare2938 Winchester 190 from 1975 still going and still eats everything. No break in when it was new either. Thousands of rounds. It is not junk.
High velocity ammo works fine. After a few magazines it’ll feed standard okay.
I just bought a tm22 s18. Very accurate with a $30 scope on it. but I had problems FTF and FTE. Only came with one mag and mags for the S18 are impossible to find. I was shooting Remington thunderbolt. Wonder if the operating spring may be part of the issue. At $80 it is no great loss, but accuracy and super trigger on this make it a shame it does not operate more consistently.
I don't know about the operating spring but the hammer spring seems very heavy and that could be part of the problem if the bolt isn't cycling properly. It is a shame that the rifle has a super trigger, match grade barrel with great accuracy, yet it doesn't want to fire or eject properly.
Had much better luck on my second outing. Find this rifle likes a liberal amount of oil and also polished all visible surfaces of the feed mechanism. Hand altered a couple tm22 mags to fit the S18 version which took about 45 minutes each. Worked fine with thunderbolt, golden bullets and minimags this time. I also picked up a refurbished feather that worked great out of the box with any ammo, though I wish the peep sight was a little smaller.
I wonder if it likes Armscor 22 ammo…..
About fiver years ago I had to send my new 10-22 Takedown back to Ruger. It would not feed anything. When I got it back it looks like all the did was chamfer the chamber mouth. I also picked up a second barrel. That barrel had a burr at the crown. Everybody screws up occasionally.
If I was with Armscor I would be contacting you to get the rifle back to do a QC audit. You are convenient as Armscor’s main office is in Pharump. One cannot fix a problem if one does not know know there is a problem.
From what I remember researching the Taurus TX 22 and Sig Sauer 22 rimfire pistols 2 or 3 years back, that was one of the reasons they quoted as to getting them to work reliably with nearly any type of 22 ammo - besides a fixed barrel, they chamfered the chamber mouth.
FYI, I ended up getting a TX 22, as the Sig Sauer model was a hot item and unobtanium at the time.
The weird thing with mine is I have the exact opposite problem. CCI fails to eject every time but the federal works fine
I had problems with mine till I polished the bolt and cleaned the hell out of it. Runs great now
Awesome....thanks for the heads-up Robert! 👍😎
Aguila & CCI have been the best .22LR ammo for me.
They tend to work in everything.
You still want to have a platform that will run about anything, though.
Federal Automatch is pretty light ammo. It cycles in my 10/22, but doesn't run well in most 22 pistols. For my pistols, I use Thunderbolt 22.
I have the all aluminum m4 style tm22 and no issues so far with over 1k rounds. I was thinking about getting this for the nostalgia, but idk anymore.
Just bought one ran ten rounds through it, eleventh round failed to extract and stuck in chamber
Sorry to hear that but thank you for the feedback.
I had a Marlin .22 that looked likecan M1 carbine. Great rifle,but after time it only liked Stingers. I found the nylon buffer block was cracked,not convinced thstvwas the issue.
I bought a Model 60 back in the late 70's. The nylon buffer cracked and fell apart during the mid-80's. Pieces hit me in the face iirc. Got one on Numrich for something like $1.29...it was a pita to put in, but the rifle still works to thus day. In fact, I did a thorough cleaning on it a couple years ago and the replacement buffer looks fine. I'm thinking Marlin got a bad batch of buffers if they had them made...if they made 'em in-house, well bad nylon or QC will do it. My grandkids love the Model 60 as do I.
That is the Marlin model 99. It is a classic.
I've got a TM22 A-18 all aluminum and it's an absolute beast. Accuracy and reliability are hard to match. I liked it so much, I decided to get this feather light for my son to mess around with. It's been an absolute mess!! Can't get it to consistently feed any ammo, extractor issues like in this video, and the worst part? I can't get a group of 3 shots under 1-1/2" at 25 yards! This with the same optic, and mount as I used on the aluminum version. It's such a huge disappointment.
Fair review. Thanks again for all your efforts. 👍😎
Liked the sight in procedure 👍
well im pretty well set for .22 rifles and pistols so had no intentions of buying this
but im certain the folks at rock island will correct the issues with these guns
I have run over 300 CCI Blazer rounds thru my TM22 Feather with zero issues. This rife has yet to fail me.
Good to hear and thanks for the info. Does your rifle extract and eject live rounds?
Bunmer, man! Always hate to see a firearm failing at...being a firearm.
That being said, I loved (am loving) your video as always, guys!!
300k! Right around the corner 💪
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Is this a gun failure or an ammo failure? This is an advertisement for CCI. It’s premium ammo. I used to swear by auto match.
I had similar issues with my S&W 15/22 but after a while its good now.
What did you do to make it reliable for you? Oil and clean right out of the box? Any polishing on the feed ramp?
@@jaydowdy27 Good cleaning and lube but sometimes 22lr rifles do need a break in period so about 150 to 200 rounds is a good start