Did Government policy , kill Motorcycling or Save it ? 1970s/1980s
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2022
- A memory look back at all changes to motorcycling during the 1970s and 1980s , in the United Kingdom , looing at the new laws the new training
and all the motorcycle restriction forced in over two very turbulent decades,
my view on the outcomes, 
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The 70’s were the best days of my life. Tearing around on RD250’s, then RD400’s. Sure, some of my friends were injured, one died but we were really alive and enjoying ourselves. Looking back we were taking huge risks but those were the best days ever!
Hi Peter, I am going through some more points in my next video in January, when I stop being ill 🤒 it's a tricky one the more I remember and get reminded , I hoping to bring both sides of the arguments, The biggest thing that stands out very different world back then , appreciate your comment happy new year ,
Ye, bikes were everything... freedom, and a kind of fun just not available now sadly
@@end-days appreciate comment 👍
I started work in 1978 and had a FS1M, which was a restricted FS1E. Amongst my apprentice colleague's, bikes ranged from SS50's, AP50's along with the afore mentioned "full power" FS1E's. There was over 100 apprentices attending the training centre, ages ranging from 16 to 18. I think two of them drove cars, the rest of us rode mopeds & motorbikes. Within a year, we had all progressed to learner legal 250's, and everyone had passed their test, which was basically riding round the block without falling off! I used hand signals for extra kudos. The first big bike sorted the direction of intent, The fast riders all progressed to the recently released RD350LC's. Some, were lucky to survive long enough perhaps to regret this decision. Others, including myself took a more cautious step into big bikes. I bought a GS550, but within a year, I bought my first car. I returned to motorcycling in 1989 and have never been without a bike since, In hindsight improved training and restricting power was the right way to go. I also think the standard of driving generally has decreased, since so few car drivers these days have experienced life on two wheels. Again. I sense that older drivers are more considerate car drivers because there was a high chance that they too had started on mopeds.
Amazing insight james great comment thankyou
Were you in Chelmsford as this sounds exactly like my experience. I was lucky enough to have a full fat fizzie with pegs and no pedals. I got stopped many times by plod and they never questioned it. Shows how much they knew about the law😅
I'm 62 now and started on my sixteenth birthday with a Honda SS50. I bought it brand new, the salesman showed me the controls and I had to ride home with no instruction. I taught myself and actually passed my test on it!
I had an accident, a car pulled out in front of me which wrote my bike off so I got a SS50 5 speed until I was 17 when I bought a CB250G5 and passed my test 3 weeks later.
The test was now £6.75, up from £3.25 in 1976.
I think the 30mph moped limit was a dangerous thing as they are far too slow. It meant I got a better price for my SS50 though.
Hello Alistair hope you are well , your early experience sounds very typical , I think many people would have crashed back then , remembering crash bars very common , interesting no protection for the rider , I had only helmet on my 1980 honda 50 , for many months and maybe work boots or doc Martins, price part you quoted very interesting on the test🤔 great to get your input 👍slow speed too great point !
@@moncktonhotmail Do you remember Derriboots? No protection, looked terrible, but kept your feet dry. We just wore a leather bike jacket and normal Jeans. No armour then!
@@alistairshaw3206 yes it's laughable now thia what video all about ,😄 merry Xmas my friend
I started riding in the early 70's. We rode bikes as we could not afford to buy and run a car. The accidents figures for bikers at the time was running at nearly 1000 a week and considering how little traffic was then on the road compared to today these figures were appalling. The majority of those injured were under 20 usually riding 125 Jap twins capable of 70 +. Why 125's cheap insurance, the insurance companies had at that point had not caught onto what the Jap 125's would do compared to say a BSA175 Bantam these bikes rarely went out of town. We would ride with the minimum of gear, nylon rain jacket and over trousers, it was only the lads on the big brit bikes that wore leathers. The EU said we needed to bring down our accident figures and as motorbikes were the biggest contributing factor, the process of legislating them off the road came in. As cars became cheaper it made more sense to buy a car than a bike, safer warmer in winter etc. as a result bikes have steadily become for many a weekend hobby. We now have the problem that under 20's are killing themselves in cars along with a couple of their mates. Waiting for next bit of legislation to come in that restricts under 20's to cars to max 60bhp or the like. Just madness that at 17 you can drive a Ferrari if you are rich enough.
This is very well written appreciate your input , bring up some very good points
125 Jap twins capable of 70+? I thought sports mopeds could do that. They could according to the idiot at 3:24.
Saw in the news a 20-year-old died on the M62 this week driving a Lamborghini 😢. My condolences to the family.
It begs the question why kids with £ can have such dangerous cars. That can take out themselves and others.
@@koolade76 No Bhp restriction on cars , unlike motorcycles at young age , your point is very valid thankyou, for your input
I just shed a tear seeing my old fizzie 😢 cracking little unrestricted bike. Mine had no pedals and a beeline racing can
An added note…back in the summer of 1978, my parents bought me my first bike, the RD50M, bought it from Ken Heanes over in Fleet, their idea there was a very quick chat about the bike….then ok sonny, off you go…..well my folks insisted on me having about six training lessons from a motorbike instructor….best thing ever….I made a point of buying the best helmet I could afford for starters…..I learnt lots of tips while training….two absolute musts…..to look ahead and to do a life saver, back then called looking over your shoulder…..never forgot that advice…my one thing I wish I had known before my nasty accident would have been, if your tired, pissed off or just in a bad mood….do not ride….maybe if had not been any of those, said drunk driver and me might not have ever hit….hey ho….as for the laws, mmm….think the training is a great idea, still question the nanny state restrictions….but you can’t argue the stats……crazy to think I can and have just bought my new bike after so long not riding….with no questions……however I will do some refresher courses, and I practice every time I go out…..happy times back then…..bar several folks I knew who never made it past 17…….so maybe nanny state called it right….who knows..
Great comment thankyou
Ah,those furious little Suzis! Had both the GT185 and X5 and loved 'em both
Excellent video. With hindsight at 65, I think it was a good idea. It stopped the Carnage.
I got stopped from riding a 250 at 16 by a year. My brother by a month.
I live in Germany now, where you can ride a 15hp 125 at 16, but only after 10+ hours of theory and 12+ hours of on the road lesson with the instructor following in/on a vehicle with radio contact. Then a full formal driving test.
Having followed my son on his 125, I was extremely impressed with his road craft standards and it clearly showed he was trained. Unfortunately this process is very expensive.
Great comment Tim , please look out for follow up , next few weeks , people like you , comments included, thanks again 👍
I was 17 in 1979 and had a Suzuki GT185 before the capacity limit drop, then I had a Yamaha RD125DX and after a pissed car driver hit me on that, got a Brand New Honda CM125 which I used to dispatch ride around London.
Like all of your bikes firstly , the hazards of drink drivers , could of been serious, At least you kept your job with the law changes , A very different world from today back then , appreciate your comment 👍
That is exactly what was happening to bikers, THEY WOULD GET HIT BY CARS, Every accident I had involved me been hit by a car.
I was 16 years old in 1974 and most of my mates had FS1E's and they were really Lucky to get
any where near to 50mph out of them. And they were very unreliable. I had the Honda SS50 or
"Super Slug" as I called them, as anything over 40mph was nigh on impossible, especially with
the vibration through the petrol tank, and a tendency for it to overheat out of town. And, for them
to be classified as "Mopeds" has anyone tried to pedal one of those bikes? Its nigh on impossible.
My biking days came to an end, when "Maggie Thatchers Lot" Took the learner bikes down from
250cc's to 125cc's and they were just impossible to keep up with the traffic. I had previously had
a few 250cc bikes, which were more than able to keep up with the traffic, but the 125cc's and
restricted to 12bhp were just not capable, and were death traps in the wrong hands.
In 1989 I was sixteen, I bought a secondhand Honda mt5. It went like stink! The needle on the speedo would go right off the clock.It wasn't until I took it to a Honda bike shop to buy a new chain and sprocket that I found out the previous owner had fitted a H100 engine 😂 loved that bike!
Great memories 👍thanks fir comment
I think the UK gov made it progressively harder to pass a test & taken more fun out of it. Remember the old test I took with my CG125
Great little honda bikes , yes Adrian take fun out of everything sadly thanks for your comment 👍
I think that now the training and test procedure is so convoluted most people don't bother. Plus the horrendous cost of bikes, kit and insurance. And perhaps I am wearing rose-tinted glasses, but we don't have the summers we had in the seventies.
I was on the road at 17, with a Honda NS125R, my friend had an Honda MBX 80.
I passed my test after booking 1 week of block lessons, I then bought a Yamaha RD 350 YPVS.
My friend was still at school, but coudnt afford lesson, but he booked his test anyway,
He read the Highway code the night before, turned up for the test the following day, and passed, he then got a loan from his Mum and bought an 89 Honda CBR 600F ..
What a great story , , I had a loan from my mum too ,for my second bike 😊 happy days
Crazy when you look back and think about it, I was very Jelous, CBR 600 was some bike back in the late 80s...
Initially wasn't an issue, killed it with further licence restrictions, A2, CBT nonsense - made it too expensive for people to bother. A lot of people younger than me (50) never bothered learning on a 125 so have never ridden a bike, unlike many of comparable age to me.
Roger welcome to the channel has ever really appreciate your comment , price will be a big factor in all this , I will read all the comments, making the follow up video, I will include , great to hear from you 👍
I received a comment , why can't young car drivers under 21 today be restricted to less BHP , based on a 1000 cc , for example , not sure what would that be but discrimination ! isn't felt at all with young car drivers, unike young motorcyclists , yet the accident rate is high in cars for that group , decent comment 👍
Great channel im stoked to have found it I subbed!
Love this site, brings back so many happy memories, yeah and a few sad ones….I had my first bike in the summer of 1978, a black RD50M, I was the only one in Sandhurst where I lived who had one….my mates had FS1E and AP 50, and one on a SS50, mine was restricted, but well, it looked great….I went on to get a RD200 next, cast wheels too….passed my test on a mates RD200 as mine broke down the night before the test, Farnborough test centre, bit marmite on the day….I was lucky and passed first time….year later I bought the very sluggish heavy GSX250…the electrics on it were poor, disliked the orange glow at night on the dials…..so in late 1980 I sensibly bought the lunatic RD250LC…..utterly bonkers, trouble in under four seconds….stupidly after work, back from West Byfleet, on the Lightwater bypass , most nights I would race a bloke on the fast Suzuki X7….ok it was a tad quicker from the get go, but I would beat it top end….stupid illegal high speeds….I shudder now at that…..however in November 1981, all went very wrong for me….up near Yately a drunk driver coming down the hill just drove right across me….I was doing 30 at the time……I hit the car, went over the roof, landing on my head….damage was a right off bike….and me with two broken wrists and arms, and a damaged leg….I spent months in plaster, had to re learn to write, I was a Draughtsman at the time, so had to re learn everything……hey ho….so end of my bikes…..until on my 60th last April, wife suggested I get a bike…fast forward to January, and after 42 years, I am back on the road, I have a super 2023 version of the Honda NC750XDCT……sure I am re learning and taking very easy……but oh the love of bikes never leaves you….never….I live in Jersey now…..very very busy, so it’s all low speeds….as if that LC devil could ever come back to me hehe…cheers, great videos
Great comment thanks
Fantastic video I just missed out on riding a 250 and ended up getting a fs1e and then having to take the two part test but after passing my test buying a honda four hundred four .stay safe looking forward to more videos 🇬🇧👍
Richard really appreciate your comment, I actually missed out on an unrestricted moped , having a 1980 restricted honda moped , then missed out having a 250cc originaly having to ride a 100 cc suzuki incase i didnt pass test intime for ban , like you made up for it now 😄,working on new video stuff for new year 👍
Reeds,re-jetting and an expansion chamber were the best way to deal with restricted 50cc's.125's seemed easier to de-restrict I did my Yamaha DT125LC by knocking out the restrictor cone in the downpipe of the exhaust!.Love the channel mate.
Thankyou, enjoyed your comment
I took my test in 1981 with 6 months to spare before the two part test was introduced. The day I passed I bought a 1959 triumph 5ta which wasn't a lot quicker than the honda 125 twin that I took my test on !
Honda 125 twins great bikes 👍thanks for comment
Not sure if it killed it or saved it, but it certainly changed it. I started off on a restricted moped in 82, then the two part test on a GP100 before moving onwards and upwards. But in the 70/80s motorcycles were ridden by younger folk, whereas nowadays the majority of bikers I see are pensioners. So has available money and insurance contributed. I must admit the wetter UK climate probably had a role to play also, I know that was my reason for passing car test.
Yes the younger people did ride them back in 70s 80s , for adventure thrills transport etc , lots of reason I suppose , the way we was brought up back then riding with ice snow on the road etc , the normal thing today is park them up for winter , un heard of back then😆 , always great comments from you thanks again 👍
Also the amount of traffic on the roads has increased massively over the last 40 years and as all of us that subscribe to this channel know it can be bloody dangerous out there. Back in 1982 a 125 could keep up with traffic, there were less dual carriageways, which are essentially motorways, so you weren't subjected to the terrifying prospect of having a constant stream of cars blasting past you close enough to scuff your leathers. If I was 16 now would I ride a 50 cc bike or wait and go straight onto a car? Honestly? I don't know.
@@sambrooks7862 I have a daughter Sam she's 21 yrs old , she can ride , but I don't encourage it , it think training events are good for her confidence, motorcycle give you confidence, lot of young people have little today , it helps , all your points on second message valid mate
@@sambrooks7862 yes you are correct. The roads are a very different place these days and I believe the standard of driving has decreased also for a number of reasons. A 250 in the 70/80s was more than a match for most cars. All your mates had bikes also, so it was the vogue thing to be into.
@@moncktonhotmail my eldest son is 28 now and from the age of 5 right up until he started college he rode everywhere with me whether it was a rally 300 miles away or just a 10 mile trot to the coast. Since he stopped riding pillion with me he hasn't shown any interest in bikes. My eldest daughter is 15, she has been on the back of my thunderace a couple of times but again she's not really interested although last month she did suggest taking her to her wrestling training on the bike.
Hi interesting video brings back memories pictures of those bikes. Had a yellow fs1e in 1984 at 16 payed £165 for loved it freedom. Then DT125lc that also a good bike tinkered with it ended up pretty quick. Law changes saved lives but don’t forget cars where becoming cheaper more affordable so bikes sales probably would have declined anyway 👍👍😂
Just adding to my comment about 125's.for 16 year olds with a CBT test, my youngest boy turns 16 in march and would much rather see him on a 125 Than a moped...
Me too Tony , I agree 👍
When I visited in 2018 I didn't see many British folk. Nice vintage bikes in this video.
Thanks 👍
For me, I took my test and passed in early 1993 ( I think ) it was a race to get my full bike license before the stepped license was introduced. Didn't go mad after that, Z250, RD350LC, RD350YPVS then GSXR-750 slingshot over the next 2 years or so. Happy days. After a 22 year break, now riding Honda Firestorm and my other half passed her test early 2022 and has an SV650 :-)
You had some great motorcycles happy new year thanks for comment 👍
The biggest thing to kill motorcycling was car insurance. At 19 I had a full motorcycle licences and a car licences I could buy a 1000cc bike with it's huge performance and insure it no bother and for a reasonable cost but they refused to insure me for Cortina Lotus as I was under 25. This changed when insurance companies realized we would pay a lot more to drive such cars even though bikes were faster. So my first sports car at 19 cost me £800 to insure, whereas my bike was just around £150. So although the car cost more it was cooler to have especially with the girls.
Interesting point ,thankyou 👍
Quoting the road death/serious injury statistics doesn't mean much without the total numbers of riders and miles ridden to put the 2 sets of figures into context.
I got my licence in 1970 under the old rules, where I could ride up to 250 at 16 on a provisional, then unlimited after a 1 part test. At that time it was a natural first step to get a bike, because you couldn't drive a car for another year, so that got a lot of us into bikes. With the rise in age and the other progressively restrictive rule changes, it became less attractive to get a bike, so that now it is only determined bikers who go through the whole process (of course, there are also lots of people buzzing around on mopeds/scooters on L-plates, delivering takeaways).
I can understand the reasons behind the changes, bikes are so much faster than they used to be, so you have to try to make sure riders are better trained before they are let loose, but the result seems to be a dwindling, aging population of bikers (like me) without many younger riders to take our place.
Your first point it excellent , the ideas of my videos , are never full proof, I simply bring ideas to the attention and discussion based on my experience and memory, I make it clear that I no expert but a huge enthusiast but never the less , my material is pretty unique I think , The fact I get interaction , it's broaden every one mind , interesting also your point on your experience at 16yrs old I never knew that , the casualty rate is a real eye opener in general, one thing i feel my videos really highlight is the huge difference in today's 2022 motorcycle culture and the previous ones , Rick fantastic imput my friend , this blog could get interesting with my video looking at the early numbers I will get alot of comments over time 👍
The 125cc restriction was probably a sensible thing to do bearing in mind the performance of 250cc in the early eighties but the 2 year limit on the provisional license was totally unnecessary and damaging to motorcycling. I had an AR125 but took my car test instead of the bike test and got rid of the bike when my provisional expired. I would’ve kept it had the license not expired and no doubt eventually got round to taking the bike test when I had spare cash.
Thanks for the memory Paul 👍
I'm maybe remembering wrong here, Paul - but I seem to remember that when I passed my car test in 187, it meant you could then ride a 50cc without L plates (and 2 up if you wanted) and a 125cc on L pates indefinitely, ie no 2 year limit?
@@Steeps1969 I got my licence in 88 and it had a 2year limit during which I past my car test. You couldn’t renew the bike element for 12 months.
I live in Australia where you you have to be 18 to think about 2 wheels and then you have to pass your test and after that you can ride a bike up to 660cc (35kw A2) for the next 3 years and then you will receive your full license automatically. which I think is a really good system but its bloody expensive to get the license ... you have to spend around 1k AUD for all the 3 stages of the test. I think in this day and age government should make it easier for people to get their bike license because people should be encouraged to ride a scooter to work rather than a big polluting SUV.
Great comment thanks hello Australia 🇦🇺
Great video mate, I grew up in the Rep.Ireland the laws on motorbikes were a lot different in the 70's and 80's at 16 we could ride 125cc's though they were restricted to 12 1/2 bhp no test and just a provisional licence, you could go in to a bike shop put £100 down on a brand new bike and pay by the week or month which ever suited. It was crazy I remember getting a brand new Yamaha DT125 that way , I had absolutely no idea how to ride it , most of my mates did the same it was a bit crazy for sure, I know I fell off a few times in the first few weeks, my friends too , I did lose a few mates off the bikes but strangely later on when they were more experienced. I ended up being a motorcycle instructor though left it just before these new EU modules testings came in. I honestly feel these new testing methods are to discourage new riders and are a money racket they now have the same on buses and trucks and I hear cars in the near future. I think practical instruction and testing is vital and after your test a few advanced rider lessons is what I would recommend, this module and classroom stuff no , I don't honestly see the benefits from them compared to the practical
Fantastic comment you have really thought about it , 👍hope it bought back memories too ,
Yes great memories, some great fun wee bikes I had the DT, then I bought an English registered Honda CB125T2 which technically was illegal as it was 16 1/2 BHP it certainly surprised some of the lads on the 175 and 200s haha , great videos they bring back some great memories
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Great and interesting video, I am of similar age and got to agree with you, have a merry Christmas.
Thanks Joe, have a good Xmas 🎄 mate
I think all the policies killed it, I agreed 100% that helmets should be law. I was lucky to have had a Yamaha FS1E in 1976 and wasn't restricted and could do 50MPH had some great times back then.
Happy days for so many ,
Really interesting subject. I started off with a 2 stroke 250cc and looking back I think I was lucky, it was such a great time and there were so many bikes on the road. Having passed the test I progressively bought bigger bikes and received some proper training as a police motorcyclist. I have been riding regularly since, touring Europe and our country and commuting, meeting the best type of people. But now I rarely see anyone under 45 on a bike. Take a ferry to the continent and you'll see bikers on the car decks, but rarely riders under 50 and probably older. Are we a dying breed? Have the insurance costs put desirable bikes out of reach for the young? Or are the younger generation simply more attracted to the safer, dryer, less hassle option of a car (if you pass the test no further checks)? Who is to blame and what can be done to change the obvious trend? I'm afraid I have no answers but if you doubt these observations simply spend a couple of hours at your local dealers showroom and see who comes in. Good luck with the channel and I'll watch with interest.
Great thanks, I am doing a review video this week , very interesting comment 👍
Yes insurance cost are not appealing
I think the law changes had to be made, bikes were just getting faster and faster, can you imagine what the death statistics would have been if 17 year olds were aloud to ride KR1 250's and RGV 250's? Good video very informative.
The bikes certainly got to fast for sure, They made the manufacturers that is very desirable bikes , Clever what they did back then targeting young minds and popular culture ,its a strange one many people consider their best days of their lives 🤔 But most agree today , bikes got too fast , thankyou for comment
Love your videos mate there brilliant,
1974, I was 17 and hoped on a Kawasaki S1, 250, no training in those days, happy days, now at 66 I ride a Suzuki sv650s and I'm not any smarter.
Both good bikes thanks for comment 👍
I was born in 67 and I remember when the new rules were coming in and I was fuming about not being able to ride a 250cc as a learner like some of my older mates.
When I was 16 my first Moped was a Puch Maxi Grand Prix that wasn’t restricted 😊, I had to get older bikes as Mum and Dad weren’t well off like some of my friends parents and they got BRAND new Mopeds ( but restricted hehehe ).
One Friend had a Honda MB 50 that was so slow,we told him his power band was broken and sent him into Cambridge to P.h.Allen to get himself a New one 😮 ( he was not impressed with us ) but the staff had a Larf …as did we 😁.
I couldn’t afford a New Rd125 but we found a Deal on a RD80MX ( air cooled ) and because it wasn’t a 125 or liquid cooled,nobody was interested so we ( mum ) agreed to get it on the never never for £700 ( I had a Yamaha AS125twin but that blew up ( nothing to do with my Dad tinkering with it at all 🙄).
The 80 flew after being rejetted and the exhaust being modified ( couldn’t get a micron to fit so Dad modified the original one ( I was shitting myself because of previous track record with things blowing up after Dad ! ) But she flew and not much could catch her in the bendys.
I passed my Car Test but it would be a while before having a car of my own so I progressed onto the old X7 after passing my bike test.
The amount of times I nearly killed myself on that thing ( mostly because of having to push the bloody thing 5 miles home ).
A few of my older mates had gone onto the Kawasaki GPZ 900r and a few were injured on them and a mate of a mate had the " Moon Bike " GPZ 1000 ( the advert was ' to the Moon and back ' with a picture of it on the moon ) Steve took off going around a corner and ended up planting himself in a field and spending months in hospital ( met his Girlfriend there tho and she was a cracking woman ).
My Friends had such a variety of different bikes and sizes,some went on to the Enduro type like the Suzuki PE175 and I lost my licence because of that thing ( he left it at mine ( I was 15 ) and I took it for a spin,unfortunately for me the local plod saw me as I went past the school gates doing 55 on the back wheel!! I was dressed in my mates leather jacket and his helmet but he dobbed me in the snitch ! Can’t really blame him though because his Dad was a Police Sergeant and he would have gotten into a world of pain from his old man lol 😂, I luckily didn’t get done for stealing it but I did get banned at 15 before I had even gotten my licence !!!.
Next I was onto the RD250,350 and I had calmed down ( a bit ) and actually became a instructor ?!!!.
Last bike doing that was a old FZ750.
Unfortunately got married so was car bound until getting divorced Yaaaay lol 😂.
Then it was a Kawasaki Z400 import and I found myself a extremely good example of a Yamaha R6 ( I knew how to check the liners ) it was running a bit ruff but it was due to the wrong exhaust and the owner not rejetting it or understanding how to tune a Carb !! Settings were off by a mile !!.
Once again I am Car bound but nowadays due to disability,a few operations to get rid of a rib growth and a lobectomy and a enlarged disc ( pressing on the nerve ( but they can sod off if they think they are operating on my neck and possibly putting me into a wheelchair !!.
If I had the money I would probably buy myself a Razer I think it is called ( 3 wheeler but fast 😁 ) as they are low down and easy to get on . Don’t think the GF would be impressed but 🤔😉….. ?!!!.
Helmets have saved lives and even my Dad who grew up not having to wear one and hating having to wear one admitted that there were a few times they had saved his life ( not major accidents ) but things like a Bolt being thrown into his head by a passing HGV and the helmet saved him !!.
Dad told me a story about one of his Mates on a Old Norton who T boned a car and he went up into the Air and landed on his head and his spine went into the inside of the helmet he was wearing….obviously he was killed and not much would have saved him !!.
We saw a Accident in Cambridge where a bloke had nicked someone’s motorcycle and was being chased by the Police and the bloke on the bike jumped a set of lights and he literally went through a double decker bus, the passengers on the bus were all ok,luckily nobody sitting in the aisle but the bloke was literally torn to pieces and shredded 🤢.
Good Job the Bus was Red !!! . That was Years ago before the Police would hold back a bit !!.
Dad worked for Cambridge City Council on the Lighting and he had to go to a job outside Addenbrookes where a Car had hit the Roundabout at the bottom of Hills Road and took off and hit the Lamppost at 20 foot in the air ( the old solid 30 foot tall ones ) and he reckoned that the car had been cut in two !!.
Thinking about it I think more people I knew were killed driving cars than if they had been riding bikes !!.
I do agree that Car Drivers are better Drivers when they have ridden on 2 wheels because you do have to have your wits about you on a bike and you are definitely more observant than a typical car driver !.
I’ve often thought that nowadays with these simulators that we have that it would be a good idea if Motorists and Motorcyclists,Cyclists,Pedestrians and HGV drivers were put on a simulator just so they can appreciate what other road users experience ?? I’m lucky enough that I did have my HGV licence and I think having a basic understanding of other road users really does make you a better rider and driver ?? However people do need to remember to be courteous to each other and look where they are going,indicating might be a good idea as well lol 😆.
These days I am finding that you are driving more for everyone else and the stupid mistakes they are making.
On Saturday we went into Kingston so M1, M25 and M3 and it was pretty horrendous with people swapping lanes without indicating and lane hogging 😡😡
Leonard, certainly bought back loads of memories for you, great input 👍
I had no problem in general with the changes apart from one. The moped restrictions of maximum design speeds to 30 MPH. While in town this was generally fine, unfortunately out on a dual carriageway 'A' road it was downright terrifying....
not to mention 6 gears to get there 😂
Great comment thanks
I was 16 in 1982 and had a Suzuki AP 50 and a Yamaha TY 175 which I had for 4 years. I got the AP50 to get round the 30mph restriction, I always planned on riding the TY on the road as soon as I turned 17 but the 12bhp 125cc learner law prevented me from riding the TY until I passed my test, so I sold the TY and bought a Suzuki GT125 which was way faster than the TY175 and was exempt from the 12bhp law
👍 of course early models had greater BHP , interesting comment thanks
I took my full test just before the 125 law came in but have owned/ridden a lot of the bikes here (despatch rider). The X7 and 250LC were mental but preferred the X5 for a more sane ride and as the years went on to the late 80's 125's were now really getting there (Cagiva). used to have a 500 gamma which by today's standards is quite dangerous although I loved it and then went on to get a widowmaker (TL1000) I have a deathwish maybe..lols
Great comment, thankyou , very interesting 👍
Have to agree that the legislation was sensible. The saying "speed kills" is never truer than when you find yourself in a collision riding a motorcycle. I passed my car test after just a handful of lessons in 1980. There were a fraction of the vehicles on the road then compared to now. Shocked to see those riders protesting against wearing helmets. Foolish doesn't begin to describe them. Keep up the great work on the channel!
Merry Xmas thanks for comment
I had a 1977 brand new pre-restricted Fizzie and then when onto a Suzuki X7. We had alarge group of mates who rode. At the time you thought it wasn't fair of the new restrictions on new riders. But I've had mates killed back in the day because they had no training or were just idiots. Now, at 61, I still ride a lot and did a few years as an instructor, I tell students the importance of good training. But the interesting thing is when I tour Europe its mostly grey headed bikes. So perhaps it did kill off the industry.
Thanks for great comment
I purchased a brand new suzuki RG125 gamma in 1989 (F649 AOF) I rode it home and the 1st thing that I did was to remove the exhaust and knock the restriction ring out, the bike had only done 5 miles lol, but if I was flat on the tank behind the fairing it would hit almost 100mph ( speedo indicated)
Thanks for your support merry 🎄 Xmas
The changes in the 1970s and 80s were justified and saved lives without making entry to motorcycling too difficult or expensive. Now it has gone too far with the CBT/125/A2 licence hurdles and the age-limitations which simply deter young people from taking up motorcycling and they go straight to cars as a result. We can't avoid some element of risk, it is after all the way we learn about hazards and how to manage them. Motorcycling is a great pastime and an economical form of transport which could help with road congestion. It also teaches you a lot about surviving on the road.
Great comment thankyou
3:45 - no moped ever did 60-70mph, at least not in the late 70's.
I had a Garelli Tiger and it'd do 50, with help (wind/hill etc) - high 40's to low 50's was the norm.
I'm 56 had bikes since 17,, I believe it was the correct way, the training etc, showed ppl bikes aren't as simple to ride an ride well. Though iv always thought the intention was to put kids off bikes, make it more difficult, so it slowly goes away.
Great comment, thankyou , have the next episode this week 👍
Got my bike NZ licence in 72. Progressed from scooters to bikes. Still riding, the odd off, car drivers not looking and die sel slip sliding. Kseries bems very good these daze.
IMO there are too many restrictions for mopeds. In most of the world you can ride a moped at 16 (sometimes younger) with very little training. Sometimes they have low restricted speeds (25 - 40km/h is common in Europe). In some places you don't need a helmet, or can wear a cycle helmet. Insurance is usually cheap and not penalised by age.
Mopeds are as a result used by all sorts of people.
The way the UK does things it puts people off powered two wheelers before they even start to ride. Motorcycles of whatever size are an obvious solution to traffic congestion and parking problems. Small ones use less fuel than cars so are fashionably green, yet when did you ever hear powered two wheelers even get a mention in transport policy?
That's before we mention the pleasures of riding.....
Great comment will use parts in next video, or videos , thankyou
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Changed it, something I feel that’s killed off the small bike market with the test brackets and the change to direct access and A2 licensing, as someone who has ridden on and off since the 90s and put off doing my test until a few years ago, there is no sub 500cc market any more in the UK or Europe. Things I agree on are safety, helmets compulsory, I’d like to see that extended to clothing, coming off can mean life changing injuries. The whole test categories needs a rethink in the UK and Europe, 15bhp is fine to start off with as a 125cc but 15bhp and a 100kg rider isn’t going up hills. I think more realistic would be 25bhp, the A2 category is pointless, a more advanced cbt for over 24 year olds with 25bhp bikes. The bike training scheme needs to change as well, its too boot camp orientated, when I did my tests it was 3 half days on an sv650 to get me past the A category test, it would be far better to have had an observed rides for an hour, if I hadn’t had the experience of riding for years prior on and off road, there’s no way in hell I’d be safe to ride on the roads even with a car license for nearly 30 years. From years of 100cc & 125cc road bikes and off road 250cc and 300cc bikes to heres an 800cc Ducati, what could go wrong?
There needs to be more training post test as well advanced rider schemes need to be pushed more.
You bring some very good points up , I will bring some up in the video series thankyou
@@moncktonhotmailthank you, I try to bring up what I see every day, my experience and things I wish would change, being a previously trained first aider.
I want see riders safe and not have to deal with unnecessary accidents or injuries, there is enough risks with other road users and poorly maintained roads. No point adding to that risk.
@@koolade76 thankyou your points are so valid.
First bike i had was puch gp jps special dam it was quick then hit 17 straight onto a yamaha rd 250 past my test on that bike !!
My parants said no, you will pay for it, so I got a school time job, saved, got a fs1e, they said no, bought me a 125 to keep me off an rd250..
.... Bugger..... 😐
It needed to be tightened up because there were just so many deaths. After the CBT came in that was largely turned around though and a lot of the regs after that were just meddling. The CBT then two tests for a full license is just a faff. There are lots of ways it could be better implemented but instead its a rigmarole of theory and tests until you're a couple of grand and 6 months to a year in.
Thats just too much for most people.
Just like the 250cc rules in the past, the 33hp rules then the new version have just made manufacturers aim straight at that figure which then makes those bikes pricey and puts people off even more.
At least when 2T's were about you could get a 125cc, derestrict it and have some fun but 12-14hp? Thats barely enough to get moving and in my experience can be more dangerous than having a bit more.
I think somewhere around 15-20hp is fair for a learner or low hour rider but once you go much past that you might aswell just go for a big bike.
Excellent points of view , well thought out , 👍
Thatchers economic policies did just as much if not more than the125 laws to prevent tens of thousands of lads in their late teens from getting their hands on bikes of 250cc and above.
Remember the mass unemployment of the early 80's?
It was only the privilged few that had jobs that could afford the bikes.
Great point for follow up video , I was one I was obsessed from 14 took jobs on to get , a ped , at 16 was lucky I guess , keep following thankyou for support
When I got my licence the limit on my learner licence was 250cc, So I got got 50cc and then a 250cc but as I did not pass my test( there was back log in testing you had to wait over a years. I had to go down to 125 for 3 yrs until I passed my test on repeats). Then I got a Honda SuperDream. The laws wrecks Motor cycles and also got riders killed. It made Bikes faster and more dangerous to ride. The 12 BPH lacked power and training was awful. I used to train riders. That was what the government needed and did NOT do. I tried for 7 yrs to do my AMT but could not find anyway on London to train..
You make some very good points thankyou , sounded like some difficult experiences, appreciate your comment
My era, I'm 58 now but one crazy law was that we could drive a 'Reliant Robin / Regal ' alone with L plates !! 🤣
Great comment Steve,
or even better the 'Bond Bug' - was always pulling a mate out of the dykes near where we lived as a youngster :-)
No you couldn't. Even if you had a van and took the passenger seat out of it you couldn't. I wanted to, but it was illegal.
I'm 64, but I remember a relative who is now 69 that had a Scootacar. Before he passed his test he had to be accompanied. It looked quite funny as the whole family were quite big and the Scootacar wasn't.
He was able to drive it at 16 at the time though. By the time I was 16 I could only drive a moped.
What I could (and did) drive on the road at 16 was a tractor on L plates. The were no restrictions on the size of the tractor or whether it had a trailer. I wouldn't be surprised if that was still the case today.
@@cornishhh rubbish fella ! do your research ! I drove a Reliant Regal for 3 years on Full a bike licence until I passed my car test ! The Reliants were classed as a tricycle, if you hadn't passed your bike test then you were supposed to have reverse gear blanked off and have ' L' plates .. !
@@stevebandit1964 Yes you could drive on a full bike licence. You still can if you passed your bike test before a certain date.
You said you could drive a three wheeler alone with "L" plates; therefore on a provisional licence. No you couldn't.
The rule about having reverse gear blanked off was changed in the early 1960's well before either of us were driving.
Those were the days, a plank with a wheel on it for a "sidecar" (or a Sidewinder) and you could ride any size bike on L plates.
I was thinking the same ,surely more dangerous…😮😮😮
are these fatality stats for just Motorcycles, or ALL vehicles?
Fact on motorcycle casualtys , government official website , up to 2013 ,its a pdf 9 page download if you Google, of you can't find it text back , my channel is 1970s and 1980s only , but you will see the biggest decrease was the 12 yrs from the high in 1979 , , hope that OK 👌
@@moncktonhotmail The Stats I gave were taken from the AA magazine circa 1971/72.
2.25, suzuki hustler, first 250 I owned and it went like shit off a shovel (which was great until you needed to stop!) My mates all had RD250s, GT250s or X7s and none of them could live my my old hustler! I've always wanted to get another one but if I'm honest I don't think it would seem as good as it did when I was a teenager.
Hi Sam the hustler was a very fast bike for the early 1970s , a good one is very hard to find now , many people have told me they where the best bike of the period , yes sometimes getting an old bike can be like meeting up with an old girlfriend, but she has too many miles on the clock now , ha ha, saying that now riding old back lanes and B roads that you did back in the day , can be fun on an a vintage bike , I do it all the time!!! , great hear from you Sam keep watching.
@@moncktonhotmail nice one mate, happy Christmas!👍👍👍
Often the case mate, I bought an RD350N1 some years ago and couldn't ride it the way it needed to be ridden after years on 4 strokes.
Great vid again. I've had the benefit of hindsight, looking at these rule changes etc. I'd say legislation that came from the UK govt itself re motorcycling were generally quite sensible. I was one of the first to *have* to do the CBT (came in 1st December 1990. My licence didn't start until 17 days later). Looking back, I was glad of this as I am sure I would have become another statistic. I did not have a scooby how to ride a geared bike! Only thing I would say, is the 30mph restriction on mopeds could be raised to 40.
It's the stuff that came from the EU, that's nonsensical. Today's test is just bonkers. Plus the attempt with the 100bhp limit, type approval etc.
Also, although bike sales dropped in the 80's, did they not pick up again in the 90's? I'm sure this was something of a boom time for two wheels.
Wow one of the first in 1990 , congratulations, what a great summary of the times and your experience, this is the sort of comment I was hoping for 👍 But every comment is appreciated so I can do a series of videos with broad understanding of how people see things , I have moved my position of somethings very slightly already ! People have such valid points !! Eye opener , real interesting topic , I never took my test till way after the 1990s myself I think I would have been a statistic that's a great point by yourself , please keep watching thankyou
The 30mph was not sensible. To say they went 60-70mph before was a bit much. On many different 125's I've struggled to get 60mph. I got my 50cc to go about 40mph and I felt a damb site safer than having around 23 cars overtake me everyday on my 4 mile commute. Even one of my friends on a bicycle managed to go faster than my moped when I first got it.
@@chrishart8548 some great points Chris , thankyou for your comment
@@moncktonhotmail I'm annoyed now about the road tax bands not really reflecting bikes currently on offer. Most of the mid size bikes are now 650cc twins and this is £101+ next step down I'd a 47hp 471cc twin. And the fact my partner wants a full motorcycle licence she needs a theory test, a CBT, mod1 and mod2 all done within 2 years of each other. She already has a full car licence since 2001 and already done a CBT she has actually retired from biking for now as the current financial situation looks rather bleak for everyone.
@@chrishart8548 I had a vintage 94 , 650 homda couple of years ago I remember the tax against a modern honda 600 with way more power, alot more , yes regarding the financial thing very sad for everyone 👍more great points Chris
My helmet saved me quite a few times. Only sensible law passed
I had an AR50 with a kx inter100cc barrel and head flyer
Very clever and 😄 admire your technical skill to do it 👍
I had an lc 125 filed the ports exhaust micron reeds had it off the clock mate clocked me at 108mph back in 1985 .
I started off on a slow 60s honda p50 which had the engine in the back wheel along with its gearbox went onto a suzuki gt 185 and then a kawasaki s1.250c triple the model before the more refined kh 250 I also rode a honda cb 360 with a sidecar fitted as the law then stated you could ride wharever cc you wanted as long as it had a third wheel and l plates fitted to it I still have the original three cylinder two stroke the s1 250cc bike i s1.250 I had in the early 1970s it still runs and rides I may be selling g it soon though as prices have gone up for 2 stroke triples I post here if it's for sale and or part exchange or straight swap the gt 185 has long gone I sold it in the 70s and believe it or not they used it on the old railway slope scrambling this road bike
Thankyou for comment 👍
Past my teast on a honda c70 I that I shared with my dad .the next day I went out and brought a kawasaki kh400 from the mundane to the ridiculous.
Those were days Paul 😀
3:24 That chap certainly looks like he knows his way around a bike, no doubt he had several that he worked on and rode! (NOT). I 'zoomed' my Honda MT5 up to about 47-48 mph. Mind you I was as light as a feather back then. 😝
Great comment thanks for joining us 👍
At the time I was gutted just missing out by a year where I could have had a 250 Lc then had to have restricted 125. I rode bikes since a kid racing motocross and thought the rules were daft….I lost one friend and one lost his arm when jumping on to 250 LC now an old fart I think it was a good move as these 250 might not seem fast but with micron exhaust and racing reeds more than fast for inexperienced rider
Great comment thanks you sound the same age has me .
My mate had an X5 ,the only one I have ever seen ,everybody went the LC route usually….👍
Blue or yellow think most of them , great bikes the 200cc 👍
@@moncktonhotmail his was blue ,was very rare and pretty quick,well a lot quicker than my KH 100EX…🤣🤣🤣
@@mudskipper0075 kawasaki kh 100 and 125 , versions , very good bikes reliable, thanks for comments👍
There's few things worse or more dangerous than a bike restricted to 30mph, ok the road speed limit in town might be 30 but everything is going to try and pass you, often in a very dangerous manner. You then feel bullied into riding along in the gutter to let the cars driving up your ass get past. It would make more sense to stop 16 year olds riding anything and make 125 the bottom rung of the ladder. At least 12bhp is enough to stay out of trouble. I don't really agree with the modern rules either, although I suppose I can see the arguement to restrict new riders with an A2 licence to 50bhp or whatever it is, but what makes no sense is you can start riding on the road at 16, pass your 125 at 17, wait 2 years, pass your A2, then you have to wait another 2 years to be allowed a full unrestricted licence, thats 5 years of experience, but if you're 24 you can pass after one lesson and get a 200bhp super bike. when I passed my 125 test it was a case of buy the fastest thing you can afford to insure. I did. I lived, and thankfully so did all my biking friends. The death and injury stats showing a huge fall in fatal and serious injury are probably more to do with airbags in cars and all the other safety features that have been fitted since 79 when most people didn't even wear a seat belt, sadly bikers will always be more vulnerable to death or injury, its the nature of sitting on the top of the vehicle rather than inside it, I think we all know that when we ride, its a choice we make and the less intervention from government the better, well thats my old man rant over for now.
Great comments I have follow up video out soon , been ill with this flu , but on way appreciate your great views
@@moncktonhotmailI think everyone's had that flu bug, hope you're better soon sir.
@@andybowie8590 thanks again great views 👍
Dropping the L plate limit from 250 to 125 was the right thing to do given the performance you could get out of a tuned X7 or LC...painful for those of us trying to move up from a 250 at the time tho, my immaculate Z250 was almost worthless at trade in
Hi dave great comment my friend oddly I own a kawaski 1981 , today , my two friends have an LC and an X7 , I will be filming with them in the spring , still a few about, back then I got a suzuki 100cc , i never had enough time to have a 250 cc plus learn to ride it then , do my test in months , I never took the chance my 100cc went up in value it's stuff like this I will be talking about in future videos , dave appreciate your imput mate
The 250 down to 125 for learners was one peice of legislation I agreed with. 250s were just getting too fast. I remember at the time one of the magazines doing a comparison between a typical learner bike of the sixties, a Triumph Tiger Cub (200 single 4-stroke) and a typical learner bike of the eighties, a Honda CB125. The performance was just about identical.
@@moncktonhotmail I'll look forward to that. I passed a 250 scorpion parked up on someones drive round the corner a few years back...blue rather than the red I had but the memories came flooding back.
@@Nooziterp1 I had a 250LC that Terry Beckitt had worked his magic on circa 1984, it was insanely fast once past 7000 rpm, faster than the 350 I had previously. Definatly not a learner machine
@@davem7785 great to here from you david 👍
I think if the law had not changed, i would have been injured or worse. i had a DT 50 at 16, and a DT 80 at 17. A 250 at 17 would have been like putting 5 rounds into a 6 shooter and asking me to fire it at my head.
I agree with your view too , appreciated, I would have come to a sticky end myself
Oops,commented on the wrong clip,my bad!
Methinks the reduction in the deaths of motorcyclists is not attributed to the reduction in of the power of the machines but to the education of motorists.
It's a great view appreciate your comment happy new year 👍
I walked into a lamp post the other day; it hurt like anything. Wear a helmet at all times.
So…nowadays you can pass your car test at 17 and if you have the money you can go and get a Ferrari. God forbid if you want a bike though
😂 in this years 70/80's , we have had "better" times ...incl. the new-price on sale ...why not Kreidler , Zündapp etc. some lorries onto a ferry with a shorter import way (netherland to GB/UK) why asia is so popular ?
They killed bikes in Britain. Instead of all this they should have just made training compulsory like cars.
it was a human investment to make law requiring helmets, imagine today with bhp and top speed without a lid.
Yes it's hilarious, yes a mighty 6 cylinder CBX 1050 was just over 100bhp , (great bike by the way ),I have a KTM 690 Duke standard is around 75 bhp , this is a single 🤔 but other bikes of today are truly amazing with BHP 😁
In Florida today, they do not have a helmet law. Some wear lids, some don’t. Informed decision making is the better policy IMO. As soon as government becomes nanny, in time they become tyrant.
Covid is all about government tyranny. Nothing they’ve imposed has saved anyone, but they’ve destroyed any real sense of freedom in so called free countries.
Biker at 17 on a Yamaha YAS1 125 twin, passed my test on a Yamaha YDS7 250 twin, got a Suzuki GT380 (couldn’t afford the insurance on the year older GT550 sitting next to the bike I bought!). Still got the 380! Also had Kettles and a GSX1400.
Wouldn’t ride without safety gear, but would prefer to be able to CHOOSE.
@@GT380man great interesting comment thankyou for your opinion, happy new year 👍
I borrowed my mates restricted honda cb50 having my own fizzie that would do over 60. I. Early died at the first roundabout i entered. Bloody stupid government and they are at it again
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Do you think all the legislation helped kill off the British domestic motorcycle manufacturers? Between 1970 and 1980 they really collapsed.
It didn't help the short answer, if I am honest 👍
they killed it . too many restrictions. they could have raised the limit for 250 21 and the limit for 125 17 that would have graduated it enough and left it like that. wearing lids is a good idea. restricting a 50 was a crap idea.
Very good point about raising the age till 21 yrs , I may feature that has a proposal that never happened in the following video, excellent comment 👍
@@moncktonhotmail cheers man! im for freedom and castrol r smells like freedom to me . we need 2 strokes back on the market we can run em on efi now so they're not gonna kill any trees. the electric thing they're trying to push is the worst in terms of pollution and negative economic impacts in terms of infrastructure
1:34 Just like mine! I wanted a sports moped but unfortunately my parents bought into all this 'sports mopeds can do 70' bullshit from the media at the time and forbade it. So I had to settle for one of these. Still had some good times on it though. 2:46 I remember that poster in my school. There were quite a few older boys with sports mopeds. No girls - unlike now riding was very much a male thing. 3:24 This was typical of the media bullshit around at the time. 60? 70? A sports moped? I rode a few at the time and the fastest would just about crack 55. Better than having an inexperienced 16 year-old stuck at 30 with cars, vans and lorries thundering past at 40 plus. And I've been there with my Puch Maxi.
You always have great options, the 55mph is certainly a good marker for the mopeds , I agree ,I hope to go into more details in the next videos breaking it down , with the feedback I have received from , the comments , one thing I have decided , None of this is straight forward peope make some great points like you do , I only bring the information received memory's received to the table, in the next videos , thanks has ever.
Several girls had mopeds when I was at school and 16 (1973/4), but I don't recall any having sports mopeds.
@@cornishhh Come to think of it I recall one or two girls at my school with mopeds. Sports mopeds was still a boy's thing.
Can't do anything here not only motor cycling , currently borrowing 5,000 to 6,000 per second with a 12 thousand billion debt 150,000 to 160, 000 pound debt per head of population, default on debt due for UK.
Great comment thankyou
Luckily got my licence before the changes.........on a GT185 when they used to 'examine' you from the pavement...........
Great bike great suzuki GT 185 sounded brilliant Merry Xmas 🎄
Hi I live in Stafford and remember motor cycle mecca it's was in Mill Street and the allyway at the right hand side of the shop leads to the Swan Hotels car park .we had three motor bike deals at that time chills motor cycles at Marston Road and windmill motorbikes at chell Road roundabout next to the Old windmill . Now we have chells still on Marston road a d Stafford motor cycles of County Road. Chell was mainly honda the windmill was mostly used motor bike motor cycle mechanic was omz cz and the odd exotic moped from Italy malugutie fantic or similar. Unfortunately time changes every thing there was an other motor cycle dealer in the main street I think it's was called allards but I an not sure about it's name and dare l say motor cycle mecca sold scooter vespasian and lambertta 😊😊
Hi Paul, I Iive in stafford, and knew every place you mentioned we ll , the old windmil sold suzuki and had a link with chells , I got most of my bikes from Ranger motorcycle kawaski and my riding gear from Mill Street, 😀 small world thanks for commentv
Brought my kwacka from custom kawasaki in hensford l.o.l
Suzuki rg125 gamma 85mph machine simple tuning tricks
Pass your test on 125 cc then you should after 2 years be able to ride any bike .
It's a good point , look out for the following video for other people's views too , cheers
Killed it. After 2 years on a CBT you should be allowed to ride up to a 250 on L plates.
Hi Martin appreciate your point of view have a great Xmas 🎄
@@moncktonhotmail and you 👍
I think it killed it ----- let's face it a young person could take a test on a restricted bike or pass there car test and drive a lot faster and safer ---- I was a biker but back then car drivers mostly had ridden in the past and were more aware than these day Now look at all The hassle of tests for bikes YET car test gets easier mmmmmmm no brainer ---- ah the sense of freedom ---- tosh How many bikers out in heavy rain mmm no take car instead ---- when I worked in hospital we called bikers organ donors --- instead of making it harder for bikers make car test harder or better still a bike for X years before allowing car test
Simon some interesting points , grateful , I am looking in the follow up video to collect people's views and go into this a little deeper , what I leart so far there are so many factors involved you raised some , appreciate your comment 👍
I don't know what everyone else thinks but i think today's mopeds should be scrapped they have no speed or power to get the rider out of trouble,,I think with the CBT test there is no reason why a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed to ride a 125 cc bike as long as they can pass the CBT test..slower isn't always safer..
Make some good points here , thanks
Using that logic bicycles should be scrapped too? IMO an inexperienced rider is more likely to get into trouble with too much power than too little.
Killed it
A view of many people, appreciate your opinion 👍
@@moncktonhotmail if you go to any bike meet it’s old gits like us which started on fizzys and 250,s
Great days …..👍🇬🇧
Look out part two 👍on way
I am ok with 16 year olds on a 50cc but I don't agree with the limits on power. I rode my daughter's restricted 50cc and found it under powered and dangerous in traffic. Also if you have ridden a 125 for 12 months or even 2 years why couldn't the cc limit be increased to say a 250, or a power output of 20 hp. Also if you've passed CBT once and survived 2 years why do you have to take it again? This taking an A2 or going on an unlimited cc bike without experience just because of your age is complete bollocks. All this test shit is just a money making exercise. Personally... rode a 250 at 17 and passed my test on it. Jumped to a 650cc four, a year later and have been riding bikes of all ccs ever since.
Appreciate your comment you make some interesting points thanks