No future for all of these divisions, no true music it will stay ever a noise, trust me! Ask yoursef why the 12ET is accepted like a standard temperament so long time. Instead of loosing time try to make better the 12ET.
Actually if you really wanna go there, we’ve had 12 tone equal temperament for about 200 years because it made the “unusable” keys from traditional classical music like F#, usable for once. For LITERAL THOUSANDS of years, cultures from all over the world used variations of fretless and partially fretted instruments tuned to what each nation thought “sounded good” by doing what these exercises teach, long before standardized music theory was even a thought in Gregorian Chant. I had to study the history of music once.
Fantastic. One of the things that really opened my ears to overtones were Tibetan Buddhist mantras and throat singing. It's astonishing to me that, here we are today, using computers and synthesizers to nail the overtones that monks had been targeting with their voices for over a thousand years. Love this video. Thank you.
i genuinely love what this video is compared to the rest of your work, and i love the effort you put into communicating this to people who arent as familiar with the topic. a true scholar
Makes me think of how on guitar, playing a harmonic isn’t really “playing the harmonic,” it’s cutting out every note EXCEPT for the harmonic you are trying to hear. Playing an open string, then a harmonic, and then trying to hear the harmonic in an open string is good practice as well
For any of you who listen to metal, or any distorted guitar music, overtones are VERY prominent there. I can often hear* a 5th harmonic quite easily. *Edit: Mispelled
The overtone series is one of the most fascinating aspects of music and sound imo. I’ve been teaching myself to distinguish the various overtones but can usually only get up to the fifth harmonic before it becomes too aurally fuzzy for me
wow!! i couldnt hear the 3rd intitially, but after listening to the 5th example (did not hear) the second you returned to normal i could hear the 3rd very distinctly. 0o0 yes i have always loved the clarinet too! "what a spectral profile"
Amazing video! Im an amateur musician, and new to the concept(s) of microtones, overtones, and the harmonic series, as well as how they function in music. Thanks for the video. Neat way to start to explore these concepts. :>
This is a great exercise, thank you for sharing. I studied electroacoustics for a bit, and we didn't quite do this exercise, but we did similar things. And as your hearing developed, these things became clear. But being able to readily hear overtones is so useful for tuning, for composition, and for practical things like mixing. As soon as you apply a compressor to something you change the harmonic relationships, and that can really affect a mix, especially on something like electric guitar.
Great video! This actually will help even outside of microtonality. I make a lot of drone music and I'm always listening for these overtones in sounds I use and trying to harmonize them. I just somehow didn't think to actually train my ears properly to do it, lol. This will make my life easier.
This is so awesome. I'm sharing it with all my students. Any musician should be train his ear to this extent, that's the way we craft music in any instrument, specially in harmonic instruments. I've never thought about actually enhance the partials using an EQ. It's a wonderful, super didactic idea. This is the best that YT has offered me in the whole year, to say the minimum. Liked and subscribed, looking forward to the next videos. Thanks a lot!
Top marks! If you are doing more education-style videos, why not a primer on Heimholtz-Ellis notation? I get the gist of what you're doing (and I also use Dorico) but I'd like to master it to more accurately notate my own work. Thanks!
Really amazing video! I literally started working on a script for a video very similar to this one this morning!! I will absolutely point to this video as a resource. Congrats very much!
Woah. I just found your channel off a random instagram comment on a random meme. It's not very often that one video convinces me to subscribe to a channel :) Ill definitely be checking out the rest of your content Cheers
Amazing (!) I very much appreciate this helping hand to my ears (the chords made from these intervals are just.. so nice ! So serious sounding, like the voice of god or something haha)
after becoming aware of what to listen for, try this on an acoustic piano: whack the low C and tune into each harmonic with your naked ear. Amazingly when you do, the other partials fade into the background and the target partial is perceived as amplified. Our naked ears can do Fourier analysis!
thats right, schoenberg mentions this technique in harmonielehre iirc. it's worth noting that piano partials do deviate slightly from the true overtone series due to inharmonicity, depending on the length of the string, matierals and some other stuff
Wow that was really cool! I thought I wasn't gonna be really good at this, but turns out I did way better than I thought I would, I could even hear and sing the 7th harmonic before you boosted it the first time ahah Anyway, I hope you make more of these types of videos, along with your compositions and microtonal experiments!
This is a very nice video. It really helped me learn to hone in on particular parts of a sound to a finer extent than I normally would (though I still need to work on controlling the range I focus on).
I'm getting an additive synthesizer (Kawai K5000s) soon, and so I wanted to get a better ear for the harmonic series. This synth in particular can sound 128 harmonics at once. It even has separate controls for even and odd harmonics. The tricky part is enveloping all of these harmonics accurately to synthesize something realistic. Modern computing power makes this achievable, but it will always be tedious due to the sheer quantity of parameters to be adjusted manually.
Hello! Your video has a beautiful graphic design and amazing topic articulation (excuse my English). Can you make more exercises for instruments with different timbres?
looking 4ward to Just Intonation Lessons! That would be so interesting! Thank you for this particular video - as a beginner i appreciated it a lot, and thank you for your work in general. I understand quite a part of all the stuff you share, but think that you do a great job.
Super awesome video, thank you! A question: if a piece makes use of just-intoned partials in the overtone series over one single fundamental (E1 for example), what sort of notation would you recommend? The Helmholtz Ellis is very clear and detailed but possibly too much for just one overtone series used? Grisey goes up to eighth-tones with his accidentals, rounding when necessary? I'm curious as to what you think is the right approach to form a middle ground between accurate, clear, notation and accessibility for the performer. Thanks so much.
In the beginning when you raise the volume on the 3rd harmonic, I swear I hear other harmonics being amplified by it too, esp the 9th. I'm wondering if that has something to do with how close it is to the 3rd harmonic of the G you're amplifying, and is something mathematically going on there to actually amplify that frequency, or is it biological trickery, or both?
The root tone in these examples aren’t a pure sine wave, which means it already contains overtones. Then, when you add the harmonic, again using a tone that isn’t a pure sine wave, it introduces even more harmonics.
How did you amplify the harmonics - that must be a cool plugin to play around with in music producing (I am thinking about techno right now)? Great video I subscribed ❤️
Strangely from the very beginning I heard the 11th harmonic without equalization. I heard it most of the time. The others probably only with amplification. I am not sure if I just knew the 11th harmonic from my imagination or if I really heard it.
Hmm the 7th harmonic seems to be the hardest for me to pick out ear wise even when amplified all the way. I can do it and hear it but it takes a few seconds. Weird
yeah when I focus on a specific harmonic, i decided not to diminish the others as much as possible in order to keep the rest of the sound "intact" although in some cases some others may be actually or perceptually brought along for the ride
I love this stuff but it's only useful for people interested in the granular aspects of music and more advanced composers and sound designers. Great video but useful? I know professional guitarists who tour with international groups who can't always play in the right key so there are better fundamentals (heh... a pun).
Did not need to watch this video as I do overtone and throat singing in my freetime but cool video nonetheless yes this is just flexing about being able to do this shit its coll
hey, i found the subtitles really hard to follow, it look really cool but its too distracting and somewhat hard to follow, due to its speed and the unorthodox wiping effect.
As I understand, the 11th harmonic is what activates the effect in some types of frequency-healing pitches. Like when they burst a kidney stone with sound it bursts only when they apply the 11th harmonic to the base frequency. Or something like that. You get the idea. // And, strangely, the 11th overtone seems to be the opposite note: the tritone. (Incidentally, I see a color-shape for each note, and I have some visual examples of my Musicolor Matrix here on U-Tube) - ruclips.net/video/-ngodtwkJZU/видео.html
The 5th and the 7th together either as 5/7 or 7/10 is not and has never been the tritone. I don't know how started this nonsense. There are two tritones in musical history. Tritone means three tones or musical "steps". (Step being a confusing concept in music history that needs to be fully unpacked.) The first tritone of the Middle Ages was 8/9 X 8/9 X 8/9 = 512/729. If you hear this particular sound, you will react to it as something unpleasant! The second tritone is from the Renaissance. It involves types of "steps" that were then known as the greater tone (8/9) and the lesser tone (9/10). 8/9 X 9/10 = 4/5, which has come to be referred to as the major third. If to these two tones 8/9 is applied, the result is the second tritone, 32/45. 5/7 and 7/10 align with the harmonic series and if the true just 7th overtone had become as an established sound in the Western world, 5/7 would have become part of the standard fare of what have been dubbed consonances.
Sorry but that’s a bunch of long winded semantics. It’s widely called a tritone for the sake of communication with non specialists. Also did you mean to comment this on another video?
No future for all of these divisions, no true music it will stay ever a noise, trust me! Ask yoursef why the 12ET is accepted like a standard temperament so long time. Instead of loosing time try to make better the 12ET.
Actually if you really wanna go there, we’ve had 12 tone equal temperament for about 200 years because it made the “unusable” keys from traditional classical music like F#, usable for once. For LITERAL THOUSANDS of years, cultures from all over the world used variations of fretless and partially fretted instruments tuned to what each nation thought “sounded good” by doing what these exercises teach, long before standardized music theory was even a thought in Gregorian Chant. I had to study the history of music once.
pin of shame
burh go search spectralism music
Fantastic. One of the things that really opened my ears to overtones were Tibetan Buddhist mantras and throat singing. It's astonishing to me that, here we are today, using computers and synthesizers to nail the overtones that monks had been targeting with their voices for over a thousand years. Love this video. Thank you.
all hail delay llama
@@G8tr1522 😂
@@G8tr1522 delay llama 🤣
19:12 It would be encouraging to add a cheer effect with kids shouting YAY here when we finished the practice.
i genuinely love what this video is compared to the rest of your work, and i love the effort you put into communicating this to people who arent as familiar with the topic. a true scholar
Makes me think of how on guitar, playing a harmonic isn’t really “playing the harmonic,” it’s cutting out every note EXCEPT for the harmonic you are trying to hear. Playing an open string, then a harmonic, and then trying to hear the harmonic in an open string is good practice as well
Thank you for this
Ah that makes sense, nice one
For any of you who listen to metal, or any distorted guitar music, overtones are VERY prominent there. I can often hear* a 5th harmonic quite easily.
*Edit: Mispelled
Also pig squeals
@@greenbear1561 As in you can easily hear the 5th harmonic in pig squeals?
im gonna boost the minor third harmonic on all my tones to make it more trve kvlt
WHOA..is this man fish voice reveal
That first overtone series is why I play the clarinet, it’s overtones bring with them such a unique beautiful richness
The overtone series is one of the most fascinating aspects of music and sound imo. I’ve been teaching myself to distinguish the various overtones but can usually only get up to the fifth harmonic before it becomes too aurally fuzzy for me
wow!! i couldnt hear the 3rd intitially, but after listening to the 5th example (did not hear) the second you returned to normal i could hear the 3rd very distinctly. 0o0
yes i have always loved the clarinet too! "what a spectral profile"
Amazing video! Im an amateur musician, and new to the concept(s) of microtones, overtones, and the harmonic series, as well as how they function in music. Thanks for the video. Neat way to start to explore these concepts. :>
This is a great exercise, thank you for sharing. I studied electroacoustics for a bit, and we didn't quite do this exercise, but we did similar things. And as your hearing developed, these things became clear. But being able to readily hear overtones is so useful for tuning, for composition, and for practical things like mixing. As soon as you apply a compressor to something you change the harmonic relationships, and that can really affect a mix, especially on something like electric guitar.
So much tense contemporary film scoring is just this.
Pretty cool that the amplitude modulation of the partial sounds like phase modulation until it becomes loud enough to overtake it.
Great video! This actually will help even outside of microtonality. I make a lot of drone music and I'm always listening for these overtones in sounds I use and trying to harmonize them. I just somehow didn't think to actually train my ears properly to do it, lol. This will make my life easier.
1:30 and my mind is already blown
8-bit Music Theory, is that you?
All kidding aside, this is great, I'd love to see more in this style.
Weird flex but ok
I don't think you know what that phrase means
I don't man. Please send help
just AMAZING video, amazing, godlike
This is so awesome. I'm sharing it with all my students. Any musician should be train his ear to this extent, that's the way we craft music in any instrument, specially in harmonic instruments. I've never thought about actually enhance the partials using an EQ. It's a wonderful, super didactic idea. This is the best that YT has offered me in the whole year, to say the minimum. Liked and subscribed, looking forward to the next videos. Thanks a lot!
Top marks! If you are doing more education-style videos, why not a primer on Heimholtz-Ellis notation? I get the gist of what you're doing (and I also use Dorico) but I'd like to master it to more accurately notate my own work. Thanks!
Really amazing video! I literally started working on a script for a video very similar to this one this morning!! I will absolutely point to this video as a resource. Congrats very much!
13 and 5 sounds amazing! Cool video great for eartraining
On of the most exciting approach of sound i came across on yt.
Woah. I just found your channel off a random instagram comment on a random meme.
It's not very often that one video convinces me to subscribe to a channel :) Ill definitely be checking out the rest of your content
Cheers
Amazing (!) I very much appreciate this helping hand to my ears (the chords made from these intervals are just.. so nice ! So serious sounding, like the voice of god or something haha)
This is a really well made video. Thanks for making it
after becoming aware of what to listen for, try this on an acoustic piano: whack the low C and tune into each harmonic with your naked ear. Amazingly when you do, the other partials fade into the background and the target partial is perceived as amplified. Our naked ears can do Fourier analysis!
thats right, schoenberg mentions this technique in harmonielehre iirc. it's worth noting that piano partials do deviate slightly from the true overtone series due to inharmonicity, depending on the length of the string, matierals and some other stuff
@@mannfishh close enough for jazz😉
@@danterosati i quite like it honestly i think the piano timbre owns
Wow that was really cool! I thought I wasn't gonna be really good at this, but turns out I did way better than I thought I would, I could even hear and sing the 7th harmonic before you boosted it the first time ahah
Anyway, I hope you make more of these types of videos, along with your compositions and microtonal experiments!
Beautiful video. Thank you!
Oh man you are a hero!
This is a very nice video. It really helped me learn to hone in on particular parts of a sound to a finer extent than I normally would (though I still need to work on controlling the range I focus on).
I'm getting an additive synthesizer (Kawai K5000s) soon, and so I wanted to get a better ear for the harmonic series. This synth in particular can sound 128 harmonics at once. It even has separate controls for even and odd harmonics. The tricky part is enveloping all of these harmonics accurately to synthesize something realistic. Modern computing power makes this achievable, but it will always be tedious due to the sheer quantity of parameters to be adjusted manually.
This was a very interesting video. I would just like to ask what program you used to amplify specific harmonics.
melodyne
Thanks@@mannfishh
Hello! Your video has a beautiful graphic design and amazing topic articulation (excuse my English). Can you make more exercises for instruments with different timbres?
What an incredible resource!
Wonderful job! This seems like a great introduction to exploring just intonation and microtonal composition processes. Thanks for making this!
looking 4ward to Just Intonation Lessons! That would be so interesting! Thank you for this particular video - as a beginner i appreciated it a lot, and thank you for your work in general. I understand quite a part of all the stuff you share, but think that you do a great job.
We've been waiting for this thank you so much!!!
Very cool and helpful! Do keep making these! Can't wait for the next part. :)
That's awesome! All this makes for formidable drones. What did you use to generate those sounds?
Mannfish Fantastic work once again!
i love you thanks for helping me hear
@4:36 yeah!
Super awesome video, thank you! A question: if a piece makes use of just-intoned partials in the overtone series over one single fundamental (E1 for example), what sort of notation would you recommend? The Helmholtz Ellis is very clear and detailed but possibly too much for just one overtone series used? Grisey goes up to eighth-tones with his accidentals, rounding when necessary? I'm curious as to what you think is the right approach to form a middle ground between accurate, clear, notation and accessibility for the performer. Thanks so much.
Sounds like mains hum, which also contains a lot of overtones.
great job
Hyperchromatica by Kyle Gann a lush album for exploring this.
Excellent album, but it's not quite Just Intonation. I believe it is 31-ed2 or 31-tet
Good rec!
Why is the 7th Harmonic a b7 always. Is this the underpinnings from whole step rotational movement across the tritone undertone
In the beginning when you raise the volume on the 3rd harmonic, I swear I hear other harmonics being amplified by it too, esp the 9th. I'm wondering if that has something to do with how close it is to the 3rd harmonic of the G you're amplifying, and is something mathematically going on there to actually amplify that frequency, or is it biological trickery, or both?
The root tone in these examples aren’t a pure sine wave, which means it already contains overtones.
Then, when you add the harmonic, again using a tone that isn’t a pure sine wave, it introduces even more harmonics.
How did you amplify the harmonics - that must be a cool plugin to play around with in music producing (I am thinking about techno right now)? Great video I subscribed ❤️
I assume it's just a normal equalizer?
Literally any EQ. You will have to think of what the main frequency is and calculate where the harmonic is… or just use your ears and sweep around.
MAN FISH i love man fish
4:40 shook my skull
Strangely from the very beginning I heard the 11th harmonic without equalization. I heard it most of the time. The others probably only with amplification. I am not sure if I just knew the 11th harmonic from my imagination or if I really heard it.
Just do it. Just find...some way to do it. Lmao. Subbed
Whoa. I can hear them easily but getting a headache fast. 😬
You're awesome (sos 1capo)
Im def
Hmm the 7th harmonic seems to be the hardest for me to pick out ear wise even when amplified all the way. I can do it and hear it but it takes a few seconds. Weird
woah
While you were amplifying the G, I *heard* the lowered 5th harmonic.
yeah when I focus on a specific harmonic, i decided not to diminish the others as much as possible in order to keep the rest of the sound "intact" although in some cases some others may be actually or perceptually brought along for the ride
@@mannfishh it was super neat to hear it without the amplification in the first place. Thank goodness for being a violin player.
I love this stuff but it's only useful for people interested in the granular aspects of music and more advanced composers and sound designers. Great video but useful? I know professional guitarists who tour with international groups who can't always play in the right key so there are better fundamentals (heh... a pun).
6:54 sounds like Blade Runner 2049
i could hear the 9th at the very beginning more than the others lol
Did not need to watch this video as I do overtone and throat singing in my freetime but cool video nonetheless
yes this is just flexing about being able to do this shit its coll
The best just intonation album ever is Steel Blue by Hansford Rowe.
Not on RUclips or Spotify 🙁
@@adamedmour9704 Bandcamp
wow this is a great comment :)))
I could easily hear distinct overtones in notes until my music teacher told me "that isn't possible" and then it went away
thats really sad.. but i bet you can bring it back!
6:57 sounds like Half-Life
Why do you call this very low and very electric sounding sound "trombone"?
So, anyway, how do I actually do the ear training? What are the steps?
hey, i found the subtitles really hard to follow, it look really cool but its too distracting and somewhat hard to follow, due to its speed and the unorthodox wiping effect.
What software did u use to make the harmonics louder and quieter?
You can literally use any Equalizer
How to easily tune guitar.
As I understand, the 11th harmonic is what activates the effect in some types of frequency-healing pitches. Like when they burst a kidney stone with sound it bursts only when they apply the 11th harmonic to the base frequency. Or something like that. You get the idea. // And, strangely, the 11th overtone seems to be the opposite note: the tritone. (Incidentally, I see a color-shape for each note, and I have some visual examples of my Musicolor Matrix here on U-Tube) - ruclips.net/video/-ngodtwkJZU/видео.html
Landforms?
9:35 (sorry just for me to remember)
The 5th and the 7th together either as 5/7 or 7/10 is not and has never been the tritone. I don't know how started this nonsense. There are two tritones in musical history. Tritone means three tones or musical "steps". (Step being a confusing concept in music history that needs to be fully unpacked.) The first tritone of the Middle Ages was 8/9 X 8/9 X 8/9 = 512/729. If you hear this particular sound, you will react to it as something unpleasant! The second tritone is from the Renaissance. It involves types of "steps" that were then known as the greater tone (8/9) and the lesser tone (9/10). 8/9 X 9/10 = 4/5, which has come to be referred to as the major third. If to these two tones 8/9 is applied, the result is the second tritone, 32/45. 5/7 and 7/10 align with the harmonic series and if the true just 7th overtone had become as an established sound in the Western world, 5/7 would have become part of the standard fare of what have been dubbed consonances.
Sorry but that’s a bunch of long winded semantics. It’s widely called a tritone for the sake of communication with non specialists. Also did you mean to comment this on another video?
Thank you for blowing me off.
I have a better idea. Buy a mic and an osciloscope with spectrum analyzer.
And if you are into just intonation, learn to interpret Lissajous figures.