Hi, I'm a Latter-day Saint. I wanted to leave my thoughts as I watched this video, so here they are: 1:30 - 1:40 We're not Nicene in our theology, but we certainly are Christian. We follow Christ and learn about his life in the gospels, we are baptized and take his name upon us, and seek to follow all his teachings. There is no criteria put forth in the Bible for being a disciple/saint/christian that would exclude Latter-day Saints especially one that wouldn't also disqualify most other christians. 2:00 - 2:30 The misunderstandings are definitely a big issue. If people were better informed, it would resolve a lot of the tension. Most people's understanding of mormonism comes from hearsay and decades (or even centuries) old propaganda campaigns, most pastors are only interested in highlighting anything wrong they've heard, and giving the least charitable representation possible, and ends up being all that most people hear. Unfortunately, I don't think you're very interested in listening either, instead I suspect that when they try and correct your misunderstandings, you'll just say they're lying and covering up their true beliefs to masquerade as true christians, because anything that doesn't fit the caricature of mormonism you have in your head can't possibly be true. If hearing them describe their honest beliefs sounds more christian than what you're used to, then maybe Latter-day Saints are more Christian than you thought. After all, what motivation would someone have to try and convert someone to mormonism, by contradicting mormonism? That's like trying to sell someone apples by telling them about how you're such a big fan of oranges and disguising your apple cart as an orange cart. Even if they successfully convince someone, all that accomplishes is shooting themselves in the foot. If they believe mormonism is true, why would they want to sell a lie instead? It just sounds to me like you're coming at this from the perspective that all Latter-day Saints are con artists who know mormonism is wrong, so therefore they must be trying to be wolves in sheep's clothing, despite having nothing to gain from that. It's not like members are paid, inviting new people in just means more volunteer work. 2:30 - 3:15 Pretty sure they're both laymen. Again, no paid clergy, this is just a community passion project. 4:10 - 4:45 Yeah, that's not what we believe. That idea comes from anti-mormon propaganda campaigns from decades ago. This is an example of one of the misunderstandings they are trying to clear up. We believe that God is eternal, that he started out as God, and that at one point God became a man... named Jesus. You know, the fundamental idea of all of Christianity. We also believe that man can join the divine. The idea of becoming like god iis called theosis, and it’s been taught in Christianity for 2,000 years. The idea is still taught in Catholic and Orthodox churches, and that’s because the idea is biblical: First, we are outright called gods, the very children of God (Psalm 82:6/John 10:34) and children can grow up to become like their parents (Romans 8:16-17). And just as Jesus was glorified to rule like his Father, so shall we rule as they do (Revelation 3:21), for we shall also be like them in that way (1 John 3:2). Indeed we are commanded to become perfect like God the Father is perfect, and God would not give us a commandment that would be impossible for us to keep (Matthew 5:48). And in so doing we may become one with Jesus and the Father the same way they are one with each other (John 17:20-23). I might make another comment going over more of the video, but for now I need to go to sleep.
i'm a little confused, so you are saying the joseph smith did not teach and mormons do not teach that God was once a man and became God Almighty, the one we pray and worship? and are you now saying that God Almighty was always God from eternity past and will always be God eternal future? please clarify because that's what it sounds like you are saying.
Yes. God is eternally God. And God, being God, once became a man, named Jesus, who afterwards ascended back up to heaven, but never ceased being God in the meanwhile. There are several passages in both the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants that clearly state that all three members of the Godhead are eternal and are God from the beginning. The idea of God starting out as man is just a caricature of propaganda that has been twisted through retelling across the generations that it has become unrecognizable to any actual Latter-day Saint teaching. The caricature was based on a sermon Joseph Smith gave at a funeral a month before he died, of which our only accounts are 3rd hand reconstructions based on the memory of the audience months later. In Latter-day Saint thought, God the Father has a physical body of flesh and bones, just like Jesus does. The question then becomes, how did he get it? Truthfully, we have no clue. But we know how Jesus got his, so we can guess that perhaps the Father also incarnated in a similar manner in order to create a suitable body for himself. In this sermon Joseph Smith is speaking about the resurrection of the dead (remember this is at a funeral), and he postulates that perhaps the Father once became a man like Jesus did, citing John 5:19-20 in support of his point. That’s all there is to it. Just some speculation on the meaning of John 5:19-20, often paralleled with our belief in theosis. People will often cherry-pick a quote from Lorenzo Snow to show that we supposedly believe God started out as man, but once you compare it to quotes from the early church fathers, you quickly see the problem: Lorenzo Snow: “As man now is, God once was, as God now is, man may become.” Saint Irenaeus of the 2nd century: “We were not made gods at our beginning, but first we were made men, then, in the end, gods.” AND “Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God, of his boundless love, became what we are that he might make us what he himself is.” Clement of Alexandria of the 2nd century: “yea, I say, the Word of God became a man so that you might learn from a man how to become a god. Origen of the 3rd century: “The Father, then, is proclaimed as the one true God; but besides the true God are many who become gods by participating in God.” He elaborates: “Every one who participates in anything, is unquestionably of one essence and nature with him who is partaker of the same thing.” Justin Martyr of the 2nd century: “[By Psalm 82] it is demonstrated that all men are deemed worthy of becoming ‘gods,’ and even of having power to become sons of the Highest.” And finally Saint Athanasius of the 4th century: “the Word was made flesh in order that we might be enabled to be made gods” AND “[God] became man that we might be made divine." If I hadn’t labeled them, I don’t think you’d be able to pick out which one was Lorenzo Snow’s statement.
@@KnuttyEntertainment i think you are distorting joseph smith's teaching in order to make it sound less heretical than it is. no. the mormon doctrine of eternal progression was clearly taught by joseph smith and by mormon's in the past. it is not the fault of critics who point this out, when your church clearly taught it and still teaches it. you are trying to put a spin on it in order to fool real christians into thinking it's only something along the lines of what eastern orthodoxy teaches as "theosis" or as roman catholic's teach similarly. it is not "theosis" or "divinization" as used in eastern and roman catholic christian theology, that is something entirely different. what joseph smith and mormonism teach is a new and novel doctrine concerning God. it doesn't matter how many witnesses or scribes recorded the king follet sermon, mormon's accepted it as true teaching and have taught it ever since. if you no longer defend it, you are not teaching official historic mormon teaching. i wouldn't doubt that, because your church has changed it's teachings a number of times in the past, so if you are correct, it's your own church that no longer believes historic mormon teachings, it's not your critics misconceptions about your church. i've had mormons teach this doctrine to me and explain and defend it, so don't try to say they haven't. your defensive of mormonism is totally dishonest. i'd have more respect for you if you just stated that we once believed it, but we've changed today and no longer believe it.
@@christiananswers4054 Nothing I said was wrong or inaccurate to the history. Look at top LDS theologians like Blake Ostler and Robert Boylan. Blake Ostler even has a whole book on the subject, I believe it’s the third in his exploring Mormon thought series, which you can access for free. I’ve studied the history and theology for years by looking at actual scholarly publications, you’ve studied straw man arguments from local churches for the sake of counter-cult apologetics as taught by uncharitable evangelicals who just want to destroy Mormonism.
@@KnuttyEntertainment i will check out these books from LDS theologians and hear their arguments, i'm open minded. why not? it would be great if mormons became christians after all.
Thanks for this, it was one of the most mis-informative videos I’ve seen in a while 🙃 Visit one of our many temple open houses and will gladly share everything about our temples as we go to each room 😊 Or watch Pastor Jeff’s visit video about our temples, that is if you’re concerned about accuracy
ah, ok, i'm misinformed. that sounds like the standard mormon taking points whenever someone says something the mormon church doesn't like about the church. misunderstand, ill-informed, false perception, misinformation, mischaracterization, etc. funny how i can quote authoritative sources, past church presidents, official mormon history and documents, YET, i'm misunderstanding something. did all the past mormons, including past presidents, misunderstand these things? i guess the only official talking points are the present day spin and rebranding that is going on today. funny, that's not how past mormons would explain the faith. the people today trying to redefine mormonism are the dishonest ones. get your story straight. don't take out your own cognitive dissonance on me.
@@christiananswers4054 you can literally come visit one of our many temple open-houses and we’ll explain every ordinance we do inside. Saying it’s a secret and we don’t talk about it is literally misinformation. Pastor Jeff actually did a well researched, informative video on this topic. Hope this helps 😊
can i come to salt lake city and enter the mormon temple and observe everything going on there during the special wedding ceremony and other rituals? are you sure?
well you're not, you're a victim of a silly cult. it's okay though....membership is tanking and this cult won't be around in a few decades so doesn't really matter one way or another.
@@lukegraven7839 membership really isn’t tanking and no not everything you disagree with is a cult. we have had declines but our membership using many independent sources is growing and actually surpassing Pentecostal and Catholic Churches in regular attendance.
@@lukegraven7839 Whats with all the hate though? You won't see a single video of a Latter Day saint tearing some one elses religioin down but you find 10 fold of other "Christians" tearing us down. So weird. Keep that same energy the church is only going to grow larger and larger i'll die on that hill.
There are groups in Idaho and Canada that practice polygamy that identify themselves as evangelical Christians. Also, I have talked with several Mormon missionaries over the years. My impression is that the missionaries know very little of the church's history or heavier doctrine. The are taught a sales package about their church, which doesn't have much depth.
Missionaries are like the waiters, they can help newcomers or those interested in navigating the menu to see what’s here. If you have a problem with the menu, it’s kinda dumb to argue with the waiter about it. You need to talk to the chefs (in this case, members of the church in academia who focus on apologetics.) A good example would be Jacob Hansen (his RUclips page is called Thoughtful Faith.) he’s usually open to formal debates if you reach out to him. Hope this helps ❤️
If you aren't willing to actually look in to the doctrine that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches then you probably shouldn't make a video condemning it. Jeff clearly doesn't understand the LDS doctrine and so he mischaracterizes it. Most members of the LDS Church do not care if Jeff or any other "Christian" denomination accept us as Christian. Lucky for us they don't get to make that decision. Jesus Christ will judge who and who isn't His. Good luck and God bless!
i'm willing to look into any theological issues related to LDS church, are you? I'm being gaslit be people who are now claiming the their cult founder joseph smith did not teach doctrines he clearly taught, doctrines that past LDS presidents clearly taught, and everyone knows it. now, mormons are claiming joseph never taught these doctrines, or if he did, they are just his spectulations and theories about things that carry no official weight in the LDS church. this is revisionist history. why can't you simply admit that joseph smith taught these things, mormons believed these things and still believe these things? how about a little honesty? is that asking too much from you? be honest and say, "yes, joseph taught this, the church believed this for many decades, but we don't believe this any more. it was taught in error." can you say that? do that, instead of blaming your critics for simply being honest. no, i'm not willing to play your "spin" game and rebranding marketing campaign. get your history right, deal in reality, stop trying to rewrite history. stop lying about joseph smith.
@@christiananswers4054 The problem isn't that Joseph Smith or the LDS Church did or didn't teach something. The problem is the misinterpretation, misunderstanding, and misrepresentation of the teaching that you're claiming is a fact. That's why I said what I said. I am more than happy to go topic for topic with you and let you know where you're mischaracterizing the LDS belief.
There were a few things that were either incorrect or poorly informed, but enough of it was accurate to make the point that Mormons are definitely not what one might consider a traditional Christian. While some Mormons might not be concerned about that, it’s likely not represented as such by the missionaries to investigators.
@@robocoxo While missionaries may not straight up come out and say, "we're Christian, but not like your traditional Christian" is neither here nor there. Every missionary I have ever met generally begins their discussion with non-members by talking about the restoration and Joseph Smith's first vision. And if you don't take away from the first vision that we don't believe in traditional Christianity then that's on you for not listening. But regardless, I can be Christian and not believe in traditional Christianity's false man-made teachings. Guys like Jeff don't get to decide who is and isn't Christian.
are you saying, "just forget about a thing called truth?" Build your own thing? are you kidding? who do you think build western civilization? a big part of building is not building on shaky foundation or using inferior materials. that's all what christians are doing correcting mormons. you guys are building on a false foundation with joseph smith, and your building materials are not safe. it's actually a loving thing to point out a building is unsafe. that's all we're doing. mormonism is unsafe, spiritual and otherwise. it looks like christianity from the surface, but if you look deeper it's not. it's unsafe to trust your eternal soul with mormonism.
@christiananswers4054 I highly recommend you make a sincere study of the gospel restored through Joseph Smith. As our current prophet, Russell M. Nelson said, time is running out. Evangelicalism is theocratically and morally bankrupt. I could send you a digital copy of the Book of Mormon and send the missionaries.
@@laynehansen6216 there is no restored gospel through joseph smith. joseph smith was a false prophet who the mormon church is now trying to distance itself from, especially his king follett sermon and his teachings on the nature of God. i'm shocked to find mormons now saying joseph got it wrong. how can you accept the teachings of someone you now say taught about God erroneously? a true prophet doesn't teach about God wrong, like joseph did in the king follett discourse. sorry, i'll decline your invitation to follow such a false prophet. i recommend you stop following him too.
@christiananswers4054 I've never heard anyone in any official capacity withdraw from Joseph Smith. Let me know if you ever humble yourself and I send that book.
@@laynehansen6216 let me know if you ever humble yourself and look at mormon history honestly. look at the book of abraham honestly. that book has nothing to do with abraham.
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Hi, I'm a Latter-day Saint. I wanted to leave my thoughts as I watched this video, so here they are:
1:30 - 1:40 We're not Nicene in our theology, but we certainly are Christian. We follow Christ and learn about his life in the gospels, we are baptized and take his name upon us, and seek to follow all his teachings. There is no criteria put forth in the Bible for being a disciple/saint/christian that would exclude Latter-day Saints especially one that wouldn't also disqualify most other christians.
2:00 - 2:30 The misunderstandings are definitely a big issue. If people were better informed, it would resolve a lot of the tension. Most people's understanding of mormonism comes from hearsay and decades (or even centuries) old propaganda campaigns, most pastors are only interested in highlighting anything wrong they've heard, and giving the least charitable representation possible, and ends up being all that most people hear. Unfortunately, I don't think you're very interested in listening either, instead I suspect that when they try and correct your misunderstandings, you'll just say they're lying and covering up their true beliefs to masquerade as true christians, because anything that doesn't fit the caricature of mormonism you have in your head can't possibly be true.
If hearing them describe their honest beliefs sounds more christian than what you're used to, then maybe Latter-day Saints are more Christian than you thought. After all, what motivation would someone have to try and convert someone to mormonism, by contradicting mormonism? That's like trying to sell someone apples by telling them about how you're such a big fan of oranges and disguising your apple cart as an orange cart. Even if they successfully convince someone, all that accomplishes is shooting themselves in the foot. If they believe mormonism is true, why would they want to sell a lie instead? It just sounds to me like you're coming at this from the perspective that all Latter-day Saints are con artists who know mormonism is wrong, so therefore they must be trying to be wolves in sheep's clothing, despite having nothing to gain from that. It's not like members are paid, inviting new people in just means more volunteer work.
2:30 - 3:15 Pretty sure they're both laymen. Again, no paid clergy, this is just a community passion project.
4:10 - 4:45 Yeah, that's not what we believe. That idea comes from anti-mormon propaganda campaigns from decades ago. This is an example of one of the misunderstandings they are trying to clear up. We believe that God is eternal, that he started out as God, and that at one point God became a man... named Jesus. You know, the fundamental idea of all of Christianity. We also believe that man can join the divine. The idea of becoming like god iis called theosis, and it’s been taught in Christianity for 2,000 years. The idea is still taught in Catholic and Orthodox churches, and that’s because the idea is biblical:
First, we are outright called gods, the very children of God (Psalm 82:6/John 10:34) and children can grow up to become like their parents (Romans 8:16-17). And just as Jesus was glorified to rule like his Father, so shall we rule as they do (Revelation 3:21), for we shall also be like them in that way (1 John 3:2). Indeed we are commanded to become perfect like God the Father is perfect, and God would not give us a commandment that would be impossible for us to keep (Matthew 5:48). And in so doing we may become one with Jesus and the Father the same way they are one with each other (John 17:20-23).
I might make another comment going over more of the video, but for now I need to go to sleep.
i'm a little confused, so you are saying the joseph smith did not teach and mormons do not teach that God was once a man and became God Almighty, the one we pray and worship? and are you now saying that God Almighty was always God from eternity past and will always be God eternal future? please clarify because that's what it sounds like you are saying.
Yes. God is eternally God. And God, being God, once became a man, named Jesus, who afterwards ascended back up to heaven, but never ceased being God in the meanwhile.
There are several passages in both the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants that clearly state that all three members of the Godhead are eternal and are God from the beginning.
The idea of God starting out as man is just a caricature of propaganda that has been twisted through retelling across the generations that it has become unrecognizable to any actual Latter-day Saint teaching.
The caricature was based on a sermon Joseph Smith gave at a funeral a month before he died, of which our only accounts are 3rd hand reconstructions based on the memory of the audience months later.
In Latter-day Saint thought, God the Father has a physical body of flesh and bones, just like Jesus does. The question then becomes, how did he get it? Truthfully, we have no clue. But we know how Jesus got his, so we can guess that perhaps the Father also incarnated in a similar manner in order to create a suitable body for himself.
In this sermon Joseph Smith is speaking about the resurrection of the dead (remember this is at a funeral), and he postulates that perhaps the Father once became a man like Jesus did, citing John 5:19-20 in support of his point.
That’s all there is to it. Just some speculation on the meaning of John 5:19-20, often paralleled with our belief in theosis.
People will often cherry-pick a quote from Lorenzo Snow to show that we supposedly believe God started out as man, but once you compare it to quotes from the early church fathers, you quickly see the problem:
Lorenzo Snow: “As man now is, God once was, as God now is, man may become.”
Saint Irenaeus of the 2nd century: “We were not made gods at our beginning, but first we were made men, then, in the end, gods.”
AND
“Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God, of his boundless love, became what we are that he might make us what he himself is.”
Clement of Alexandria of the 2nd century: “yea, I say, the Word of God became a man so that you might learn from a man how to become a god.
Origen of the 3rd century: “The Father, then, is proclaimed as the one true God; but besides the true God are many who become gods by participating in God.”
He elaborates:
“Every one who participates in anything, is unquestionably of one essence and nature with him who is partaker of the same thing.”
Justin Martyr of the 2nd century: “[By Psalm 82] it is demonstrated that all men are deemed worthy of becoming ‘gods,’ and even of having power to become sons of the Highest.”
And finally Saint Athanasius of the 4th century: “the Word was made flesh in order that we might be enabled to be made gods”
AND
“[God] became man that we might be made divine."
If I hadn’t labeled them, I don’t think you’d be able to pick out which one was Lorenzo Snow’s statement.
@@KnuttyEntertainment i think you are distorting joseph smith's teaching in order to make it sound less heretical than it is. no. the mormon doctrine of eternal progression was clearly taught by joseph smith and by mormon's in the past. it is not the fault of critics who point this out, when your church clearly taught it and still teaches it. you are trying to put a spin on it in order to fool real christians into thinking it's only something along the lines of what eastern orthodoxy teaches as "theosis" or as roman catholic's teach similarly. it is not "theosis" or "divinization" as used in eastern and roman catholic christian theology, that is something entirely different. what joseph smith and mormonism teach is a new and novel doctrine concerning God. it doesn't matter how many witnesses or scribes recorded the king follet sermon, mormon's accepted it as true teaching and have taught it ever since. if you no longer defend it, you are not teaching official historic mormon teaching. i wouldn't doubt that, because your church has changed it's teachings a number of times in the past, so if you are correct, it's your own church that no longer believes historic mormon teachings, it's not your critics misconceptions about your church. i've had mormons teach this doctrine to me and explain and defend it, so don't try to say they haven't. your defensive of mormonism is totally dishonest. i'd have more respect for you if you just stated that we once believed it, but we've changed today and no longer believe it.
@@christiananswers4054 Nothing I said was wrong or inaccurate to the history. Look at top LDS theologians like Blake Ostler and Robert Boylan. Blake Ostler even has a whole book on the subject, I believe it’s the third in his exploring Mormon thought series, which you can access for free.
I’ve studied the history and theology for years by looking at actual scholarly publications, you’ve studied straw man arguments from local churches for the sake of counter-cult apologetics as taught by uncharitable evangelicals who just want to destroy Mormonism.
@@KnuttyEntertainment i will check out these books from LDS theologians and hear their arguments, i'm open minded. why not? it would be great if mormons became christians after all.
Thanks for this, it was one of the most mis-informative videos I’ve seen in a while 🙃
Visit one of our many temple open houses and will gladly share everything about our temples as we go to each room 😊
Or watch Pastor Jeff’s visit video about our temples, that is if you’re concerned about accuracy
ah, ok, i'm misinformed. that sounds like the standard mormon taking points whenever someone says something the mormon church doesn't like about the church. misunderstand, ill-informed, false perception, misinformation, mischaracterization, etc. funny how i can quote authoritative sources, past church presidents, official mormon history and documents, YET, i'm misunderstanding something. did all the past mormons, including past presidents, misunderstand these things? i guess the only official talking points are the present day spin and rebranding that is going on today. funny, that's not how past mormons would explain the faith. the people today trying to redefine mormonism are the dishonest ones. get your story straight. don't take out your own cognitive dissonance on me.
@@christiananswers4054 you can literally come visit one of our many temple open-houses and we’ll explain every ordinance we do inside.
Saying it’s a secret and we don’t talk about it is literally misinformation.
Pastor Jeff actually did a well researched, informative video on this topic.
Hope this helps 😊
can i come to salt lake city and enter the mormon temple and observe everything going on there during the special wedding ceremony and other rituals? are you sure?
Part 1 billion of other Christian sects judging us and telling us we aren’t Christian. Thank you for doing the work of our Heavenly Father.
well you're not, you're a victim of a silly cult. it's okay though....membership is tanking and this cult won't be around in a few decades so doesn't really matter one way or another.
@@lukegraven7839 membership really isn’t tanking and no not everything you disagree with is a cult. we have had declines but our membership using many independent sources is growing and actually surpassing Pentecostal and Catholic Churches in regular attendance.
@@lukegraven7839 Whats with all the hate though? You won't see a single video of a Latter Day saint tearing some one elses religioin down but you find 10 fold of other "Christians" tearing us down. So weird. Keep that same energy the church is only going to grow larger and larger i'll die on that hill.
Yes because you are a cult....you cannot win a argument....all are lies in LDS
Joseph Smith announced that ALL religions were an abomination! JS threw the first Stone….and immortalized it in the BofM
There are groups in Idaho and Canada that practice polygamy that identify themselves as evangelical Christians.
Also, I have talked with several Mormon missionaries over the years. My impression is that the missionaries know very little of the church's history or heavier doctrine. The are taught a sales package about their church, which doesn't have much depth.
Missionaries are like the waiters, they can help newcomers or those interested in navigating the menu to see what’s here.
If you have a problem with the menu, it’s kinda dumb to argue with the waiter about it. You need to talk to the chefs (in this case, members of the church in academia who focus on apologetics.)
A good example would be Jacob Hansen (his RUclips page is called Thoughtful Faith.) he’s usually open to formal debates if you reach out to him.
Hope this helps ❤️
If you aren't willing to actually look in to the doctrine that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches then you probably shouldn't make a video condemning it. Jeff clearly doesn't understand the LDS doctrine and so he mischaracterizes it. Most members of the LDS Church do not care if Jeff or any other "Christian" denomination accept us as Christian. Lucky for us they don't get to make that decision. Jesus Christ will judge who and who isn't His. Good luck and God bless!
i'm willing to look into any theological issues related to LDS church, are you? I'm being gaslit be people who are now claiming the their cult founder joseph smith did not teach doctrines he clearly taught, doctrines that past LDS presidents clearly taught, and everyone knows it. now, mormons are claiming joseph never taught these doctrines, or if he did, they are just his spectulations and theories about things that carry no official weight in the LDS church. this is revisionist history. why can't you simply admit that joseph smith taught these things, mormons believed these things and still believe these things? how about a little honesty? is that asking too much from you? be honest and say, "yes, joseph taught this, the church believed this for many decades, but we don't believe this any more. it was taught in error." can you say that? do that, instead of blaming your critics for simply being honest. no, i'm not willing to play your "spin" game and rebranding marketing campaign. get your history right, deal in reality, stop trying to rewrite history. stop lying about joseph smith.
@@christiananswers4054 The problem isn't that Joseph Smith or the LDS Church did or didn't teach something. The problem is the misinterpretation, misunderstanding, and misrepresentation of the teaching that you're claiming is a fact. That's why I said what I said. I am more than happy to go topic for topic with you and let you know where you're mischaracterizing the LDS belief.
There were a few things that were either incorrect or poorly informed, but enough of it was accurate to make the point that Mormons are definitely not what one might consider a traditional Christian. While some Mormons might not be concerned about that, it’s likely not represented as such by the missionaries to investigators.
@@robocoxo While missionaries may not straight up come out and say, "we're Christian, but not like your traditional Christian" is neither here nor there. Every missionary I have ever met generally begins their discussion with non-members by talking about the restoration and Joseph Smith's first vision. And if you don't take away from the first vision that we don't believe in traditional Christianity then that's on you for not listening. But regardless, I can be Christian and not believe in traditional Christianity's false man-made teachings. Guys like Jeff don't get to decide who is and isn't Christian.
@@whiteknight557 explain how you are an authority on all things mormon? please give your credentials and why you speak for the mormon church.
Y'all are just sad. Build your own thing. Stop trying to tear down donating else's thing.
are you saying, "just forget about a thing called truth?" Build your own thing? are you kidding? who do you think build western civilization? a big part of building is not building on shaky foundation or using inferior materials. that's all what christians are doing correcting mormons. you guys are building on a false foundation with joseph smith, and your building materials are not safe. it's actually a loving thing to point out a building is unsafe. that's all we're doing. mormonism is unsafe, spiritual and otherwise. it looks like christianity from the surface, but if you look deeper it's not. it's unsafe to trust your eternal soul with mormonism.
@christiananswers4054 I highly recommend you make a sincere study of the gospel restored through Joseph Smith. As our current prophet, Russell M. Nelson said, time is running out. Evangelicalism is theocratically and morally bankrupt. I could send you a digital copy of the Book of Mormon and send the missionaries.
@@laynehansen6216 there is no restored gospel through joseph smith. joseph smith was a false prophet who the mormon church is now trying to distance itself from, especially his king follett sermon and his teachings on the nature of God. i'm shocked to find mormons now saying joseph got it wrong. how can you accept the teachings of someone you now say taught about God erroneously? a true prophet doesn't teach about God wrong, like joseph did in the king follett discourse. sorry, i'll decline your invitation to follow such a false prophet. i recommend you stop following him too.
@christiananswers4054 I've never heard anyone in any official capacity withdraw from Joseph Smith. Let me know if you ever humble yourself and I send that book.
@@laynehansen6216 let me know if you ever humble yourself and look at mormon history honestly. look at the book of abraham honestly. that book has nothing to do with abraham.
Ex Mormon here. They are not Christian whatsoever. Great video.
It's essentially a mix of Freemasonry, Islam, Scientology, and Star Trek, wrapped in an outer cloak of false Christianity.