Am still waiting for the prosecution to bring the evidence that link these five accused directly not bank staments or cellphone what what.something like DNA or a human tracker if we have.something that will shows that indeed they were in the alleged crime scene that night.
What about the confession, both written and audio? If the audio does not confirm the act, why is it not allowed? Regardless of whether he was cautioned prior to the recording, if the recording exonorates him, it should be allowed by the defense. There something to hide in there.
What does 2018 have to with the incident that happened in 2014 because the state and investigating team should ne focusing on the communication from 2014 till after the incident
Witness Prosecutor, State Legal Advisor Judge Mr Know It All Rata 😺 Today, The Defence Team Made Him A Silly Fool Of Magnitude 😺 in Full view of TV. ❤️🇿🇦🤣 I'm sure he is coming back the next time with the same arrogance because he had told his clients he will win their case. 🤣🤣🤣 As things stand. Ordinary Southern Africans want that judge arrested. Some people are receiving report's from a judge like this ☹️☹️☹️❤️🇿🇦
No case against the accused. 😂😂😂2014 incident not 2018 . Till todate no evidence is putting the accused on the scene of crime😂😂😂. Chicco u are failing 😂😂😂
Judge Maumela was much better than current judge ( Ratha), how on earth he treats the defence the way he does? I'm really puzzled by his palpable behaviour.
The accused said they didn't know each other in their statement. The state is proving that they are lying because they were communication through the phone. They are showing that the accused lied.
This judge seems to find these guys guilty.cos he interferes to all the questions frm de defense.According to me I suspect that these lawyers are just waisting their time.This judgestands with the witnesses and baloi.
So if someone comes to your house and kill your family member, you and your family should be arrested? How, unless there is a link, not just hearsay evidence.
@dannym7593 lies?? explain maybe you know more. He is putting the version of his client (He didn't know Accussed #1 & #2). The Court should and must listen to all the relevant evidence presented.
Thy found nd read sms's between Kelly nd Zandile y thy dnt find sms's on the accused cellphones?!! Whn this judge start that mockery laugh 🤬yerrrr i feel like vomiting 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮nxaaa
Kelly and zandis phones were taken in 2014 for downloads after the murder... and the accused phones taken in 2020 for downloads... that is why there's no 205s for the accused
It was explained by Col that u d never get actual communication except to say the two or more numbers contacted each other. Unless ofcourse there were interception done
@@user-yk5eu3ek6pingakho I delay le case ngenxa yamanga abo ,like Sibiya uthi waye ngekho ejbg 2014 than kulandwa ama bank statement,but ke hlampe sekhohliwe
We don’t know each other! Now he is my nephew. Why deny knowing each other first if you have nothing to hid. Who sent you is my question. Bite me people I stand by that ask.
Ba'zana kahle nje! Ntanzi used to stay in rustenburg but frequented vosloo hostel in 2014... all these guys either stayed in vosloo hostel, has gatherings there or residents of surrounding areas, it's NOT coincidence....they know each other and were traced and connected.
@@ConnieMorake why was the murder weapon found with accused #3 listen here this guys killed senzo meyiwa i follow evidence that has been brought to court not hearsays they lost this case during the trial with a trial those court proceding now is just for fun
@@NkosinathiShongwe-yu3lc What about the DNA analysis? Did it capture any of the accused? No...... You must be mistaken my brother. Unless you have been paid for what you say
@@ConnieMorake The murder weapon was found with accused 3 he also said he never had dreadlicks muzi sibiya said he left vooslvorus 2013 until 2015 why were they lying if they did not kill senzo meyiwa
Very very sad This Judge 😡he is soooo condescending towards the Defence surely something need to be done I have No Faith in him He has picked sides aleady just earning a pay packet extra after retirement Total Joke
54 calls on the 26 october yooh 22 incoming calls 5 incoming sms they were busy planning the killing of senzo meyiwa mr Gous check those cell # kuthi ayikho yini ya David mathebula
@@keneuwemahlangu6842 this telephone # Is for showing that this guys knows each other the first day they appear in court they said that they dont know each other so now the state is prooving that they were lying they know each other
@@ConnieMorake how because if im not mistaken cell phone # are provided by vodacom .mtn cell c those are service providers why did this 5 accused first say they dont know each other ?why did carlos mncube said he never had dreadlocks why did muzi said he left vooslvorus 2013 when he lost his job why did Bongani ntanzi said he was at work when senzo was killed why did accused #4 said ti muzi he must not umplicate him to the death of senzo meyiwa?
Kodwa for mina i mean my opinion this case doesn't add up....ballistic expect said there's no link cellphone expect he's saying no communication wat I we here for.....hlaziyani kodwa mina ngididekile
I’ve noticed that people that compliment Ratha or Baloyi are always nameless. It’s always user and not an actual name meaning that it might be one of them 🤣🤣👎
Shame you are in pain becoz your Baloyi and Ratha are exposed day by where are the 205 for 2014 which shows communication of acused planning to kill Senso
It may mean there's no law that compel him to recuse himself even if he act the manner in which he is presenting himself. The authorities above him see the manner in which he is presenting himself.
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Rara can you please help S.A by keep you mouth shut if there's anything baloi must object not you please please please please please
Waste of time while Chicco twala and his son are enjoying life😢😢😢
Am still waiting for the prosecution to bring the evidence that link these five accused directly not bank staments or cellphone what what.something like DNA or a human tracker if we have.something that will shows that indeed they were in the alleged crime scene that night.
That evidence is no there.
5 accused r innocent
Even the hodie thy found at the house tht thy said belonged to the intruders no DNA was found on it
There's no such evidence but the DNA is not positive that they were in that house
What about the confession, both written and audio? If the audio does not confirm the act, why is it not allowed? Regardless of whether he was cautioned prior to the recording, if the recording exonorates him, it should be allowed by the defense. There something to hide in there.
What does 2018 have to with the incident that happened in 2014 because the state and investigating team should ne focusing on the communication from 2014 till after the incident
You still need to know more about investigation or learn more about the investigation…
But atleast ugcine efika ku 2014 NXUMALO,uma besiye strethi to 2014 bengeke Sithole u accuse 4 speak nephew ngale number abathi eya Ntuli
So the 50 years experience is not clicking the pen and tapping the table. This one reads our comments.
😢judge loBaloyi banzima
Ahh angeke bafethu la sijwayelwa kabi struu nalo mkhulu osile okhahlakele ngeke alibone iZulu lomdodovu womthakathi kusho ukuthi baningi abantu abase jele aba innocent ngenxa yalo satan no Gininda noBaloi ne team yakhe yezikhohlakali ngiyamzonda lobaba no Baloi izinja nxxxxxx 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
This judge disrespect defense hoo nxa...
We sitting in 2018 cellphone records? We interested in 2014 .
This is the best judge ever I like when he educates them well-done judge Ratha🙌💯
Ratha I know you read the comments .. let me tell you, this behaviour of yours disrespecting the defence counsels like this is so disgusting 😡😡
Since when 🦍 e le expert🚮?We want expert from service provider🗣leburu la re NO communication,non stop contradictions🚩this 78 yr old is a disgrace
Witness Prosecutor, State Legal Advisor Judge Mr Know It All Rata 😺 Today, The Defence Team Made Him A Silly Fool Of Magnitude 😺 in Full view of TV. ❤️🇿🇦🤣 I'm sure he is coming back the next time with the same arrogance because he had told his clients he will win their case. 🤣🤣🤣 As things stand. Ordinary Southern Africans want that judge arrested. Some people are receiving report's from a judge like this ☹️☹️☹️❤️🇿🇦
No case against the accused. 😂😂😂2014 incident not 2018 . Till todate no evidence is putting the accused on the scene of crime😂😂😂. Chicco u are failing 😂😂😂
Yerrrr this judge Ratha u r killing our justice system 😢 can't u just give Defense to do their cross examination without interfering
This judge is desperate....
Desperate of what exactly?
This is not just someone, these guys are known criminals and you know it.
And we want 205 ya 2014 not 2018 aii
04:04 you will hear that there is a section 205 for 2014 on accussed number 3 number, and on the 26 October there were 54 call made on that day
Need the president to intervene if these guys can go to prison youll see what's gonna happen kuyomesheka laemzansi
Judge Maumela was much better than current judge ( Ratha), how on earth he treats the defence the way he does?
I'm really puzzled by his palpable behaviour.
If that is one of the best, then Mzanzi is in trouble
Mzansi is trouble, there is no justice,u only get justice if u got money
Mzansi is trouble, there is no justice,u only get justice if u got money
This Judge is no longer sane
The state and judge looks like they're not ready to finish this case. How come are they focusing on 2018 until 2021?
The accused said they didn't know each other in their statement. The state is proving that they are lying because they were communication through the phone. They are showing that the accused lied.
This court is just a joke
There was communication but we don't have the content of the communication 😂😂😂😂
Why is this Ratha still a presiding judge on this issue?
The chain of corruption start from Prosecutor - investigating officer - judge thats combo . We call it corrupt justice system in SA
Hau bathong are you making a film Kelly and company should be arrested and rot in jail for what they did to Senzo
Can you prove that KK and company pull the trigger or again is hearsay?
Kelly khumalo is also an accused person but she is not on custody while these accused are on custody. This is not different from PHLAPHALA SAGA
This judge seems to find these guys guilty.cos he interferes to all the questions frm de defense.According to me I suspect that these lawyers are just waisting their time.This judgestands with the witnesses and baloi.
They are not waisting time they are exposing the and Baloyi so that they pave way for appeal
U right they have 2 b ready 4 the appeal
Can the service provider should be called
Who is cross examining,is the judge or the defense,the judge must stop to be buyers or else he must thrown out of this court like Mahumela
Mxm i hate this judge
,,,,3801 no 205!!!!!
How many times did he ask for that 205?????
Ratha z acting like he didn't here that!!!! 😏🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Ratha is undermining himself now
Who was providing this nkabis with cell phones in custody ? Thats why they have many followers here ka you tube
Cyril Ramaphosa is quiet 🤐 yazi and i don't feel like going to vote for ANC coz their full of injustice
Keep your vote and vote for butternut head instead😂😂
I will never vote for the ANC
When are you arresting people who were in the house
So if someone comes to your house and kill your family member, you and your family should be arrested? How, unless there is a link, not just hearsay evidence.
@@dannym7593 mxm we all know that longwe twala ingane ka Chicco twala killed Senzo nge gun ka chicco
😢😢kanti abantu akusamelanga yini befonelane
Yingoba bathi abazani
Where is 2014 data? Sifike kanjani lana????
It means this case won't end the defence cross examine and say something and the state goes back to find evidence that dispute what the defence said.
This is a.joke indeed. What is happening in this court??
No cellphone records for 2014
They can't get records of more than 3-4 years but they did long time ago find calls to qnd from Kelly to the Inkabib 2014 October
Why 2018, we need what happened 2014 please,
Why does he take off his glasses when he is reading, are they not supposed to help him to see clearly?
Why is the Judge debating with lawyers
Because he is sick 😂
49:16 This Court is not listening at all. Mnisi is specific.
😂Specific on lies
@dannym7593 lies?? explain maybe you know more.
He is putting the version of his client (He didn't know Accussed #1 & #2).
The Court should and must listen to all the relevant evidence presented.
Did Nxumalo prove reasonable doubt that the numbers in question are his client??? I heard so many cellphone number we cannot follow
Yes he proved that the other number belonged to a nephew.
The were calls only for 2018-2021 nothing for 2014
Yes he the number which Gous said is for Ntuli is not for Ntuli is for Mapisa " s nephew
@@ezaius2011how did he prove beyond reasonable doubt that the number belongs to his nephew????
No records for 2014
Ratha is so rude towards the defence.
Ungi bora kabi loyo,,,mxm
This judge is sick
Ya ya ya. Go go 😂 and that is a so called judge. What happened to 'You may approach'
You can also bring it🤔
He is becoming so emotional, but why?
And now the Question that ratha supposed to answer is who is the court 😂😂😂 between him and Mr loyi mloyi the cooker
Thy found nd read sms's between Kelly nd Zandile y thy dnt find sms's on the accused cellphones?!! Whn this judge start that mockery laugh 🤬yerrrr i feel like vomiting 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮nxaaa
Ratha is digusting 4 a Judge shameless embarassing
Kelly and zandis phones were taken in 2014 for downloads after the murder... and the accused phones taken in 2020 for downloads... that is why there's no 205s for the accused
Judge is giving evidence 😂
Gous then I'll refere to my new statement
Rata I said it🤭🤭🤭
Mngomezulu will come out and say the communication was cooked by Bongani brigadier Gininda yet this accused has agreed thats its their cell#
35:26 This old man is tired already...😂
What doesn't know in this day and age that any deleted data can be retrieved
Lets soldire on, liwtening to 2018 data, like Senzo was killed in 2018. Lets soldire on bafowethu, we are currently watching a series here
Advocate Mnisi is a joke😂😂😂😂😂😂
How?
More that a joke.Try to show off.I think we never see stupid advocates like this.Feel sorry for the accused, with this advocates
For the sake of understanding Ratha telling this small boy nxumalo 😂
When are we hearing the actual communication because that’s what is important especially between Kelly and accuse 5
It was explained by Col that u d never get actual communication except to say the two or more numbers contacted each other. Unless ofcourse there were interception done
But the accused said they don't know each so Mr baloyi try clear there lies😂
@@user-yk5eu3ek6pingakho I delay le case ngenxa yamanga abo ,like Sibiya uthi waye ngekho ejbg 2014 than kulandwa ama bank statement,but ke hlampe sekhohliwe
We don’t know each other! Now he is my nephew. Why deny knowing each other first if you have nothing to hid. Who sent you is my question. Bite me people I stand by that ask.
What going in this court of Ratha and Baloyi
Why the judge is always fighting the defense?
The guestion is when did the communication started
The state here is proving that they knew each other hence communication bcoz at some point they said they did not know each other.
Hence the fact of the matter is, the evidence befire court doesn't prove that they were at the crime scene
Ratha abusing hos powers
The state case is breaking apart🎉🎉🎉🎉
No. 5 was the mastermind of the killing.
Do you have proof? Talking to someone it's lead to mastermind?
You must be drunk
They are reading data from 208 to 2020, of which we are not interested. We want docket 205 that points to people who were in the spaza not lonbhedo
so Gouws agreed there are cell record from 2014. yhoooo didnt baliyo says no records.
This country is a 😂joke
💀 all of sudden bayazana o guy
Are you following the proceedings? Do you understand the link?
Not all of them know each other you have to listen properly
Ba'zana kahle nje! Ntanzi used to stay in rustenburg but frequented vosloo hostel in 2014... all these guys either stayed in vosloo hostel, has gatherings there or residents of surrounding areas, it's NOT coincidence....they know each other and were traced and connected.
Bayazana nd vele izigebengu don't rica their cards so there won't be any rica information
Mr 50 years experience is extremely poorly displayed by never accuse me of dishonesty himself
35:43 this court is emotional....
When?
Teach this small boy nxumalo mr Ratha
Ratha uyidlwabu nje kphela nothing much 🤞phelile idata lam uwena nx😅nja😅
Afterkilling senzo meyiwa in 2014 lezinkabi gpes seperate ways they never think that one day bazobhekana nengalo yomthetho
Little dd they no ukuthi ingalo yomthetho yinde
They might be inkabis but they did not kill Senzo, you might have smoked something that's why you think this way.
@@ConnieMorake why was the murder weapon found with accused #3 listen here this guys killed senzo meyiwa i follow evidence that has been brought to court not hearsays they lost this case during the trial with a trial those court proceding now is just for fun
@@NkosinathiShongwe-yu3lc What about the DNA analysis? Did it capture any of the accused? No...... You must be mistaken my brother. Unless you have been paid for what you say
@@ConnieMorake The murder weapon was found with accused 3 he also said he never had dreadlicks muzi sibiya said he left vooslvorus 2013 until 2015 why were they lying if they did not kill senzo meyiwa
Judge Ratha " like him his the best of best emzantsi uyazazi izitory zakhe
Ubhemile wena
@@njabulojb2994You defend nkabis and it's unbelievable!
😂😂@@njabulojb2994
Witness judge😢
Umshushisi uchitha isikhathi ukhokhelwe akanabufakazi
UMngomezulu uzilalele🤣
Kudlaliwe ngemali yabakhokhi nentela la ayikho lento uhlazo
This palookas is trying to poke holes in the defense with no concre
Very very sad This Judge 😡he is soooo condescending towards the Defence surely something need to be done
I have No Faith in him
He has picked sides aleady just earning a pay packet extra after retirement Total Joke
Ratha should be recused from this case he is biased and using emotions towards the defence
This witnesses testimony is hear say evidence atleast most of it
Ratha again
Ratha do not interefy
🤔
54 calls on the 26 october yooh 22 incoming calls 5 incoming sms they were busy planning the killing of senzo meyiwa mr Gous check those cell # kuthi ayikho yini ya David mathebula
Hawu why David mathebula now?😮
Mara moss Senzo died 2014 not 2018 Gouws is talking about 2018....
Gouws is a rented cop for this purpose
@@keneuwemahlangu6842 this telephone # Is for showing that this guys knows each other the first day they appear in court they said that they dont know each other so now the state is prooving that they were lying they know each other
@@ConnieMorake how because if im not mistaken cell phone # are provided by vodacom .mtn cell c those are service providers why did this 5 accused first say they dont know each other ?why did carlos mncube said he never had dreadlocks why did muzi said he left vooslvorus 2013 when he lost his job why did Bongani ntanzi said he was at work when senzo was killed why did accused #4 said ti muzi he must not umplicate him to the death of senzo meyiwa?
Ai i hate ratha
Kodwa for mina i mean my opinion this case doesn't add up....ballistic expect said there's no link cellphone expect he's saying no communication wat I we here for.....hlaziyani kodwa mina ngididekile
This judge is useless
Judge Ratha is one of the best Judges in SA.!!!
That's your opinion
Umaka rhata ke ngulube
Shame 😂😂😂😂
Hayi njani lo uhlaza iFamily yakhe kanje sies🤮unabo abantwana lomntu unje mfazi wakhe uyamhlaza shame
I’ve noticed that people that compliment Ratha or Baloyi are always nameless. It’s always user and not an actual name meaning that it might be one of them 🤣🤣👎
You call these fly by night lawyers as defense lawyers? You are not serious
Shame you are in pain becoz your Baloyi and Ratha are exposed day by where are the 205 for 2014 which shows communication of acused planning to kill Senso
Spoken like a true fly by night
Let’s wait and watch te fly bnights unraveling the mighty 50years and the mighty experienced prosecutor
Bathong wena.... 😂😂😂😂 U worse
All those who can't see Ratha and Balois arrogance are in a deep sleep of nyaope drug😂😂😂😂
Why is this Ratha still a presiding judge on this issue?
It may mean there's no law that compel him to recuse himself even if he act the manner in which he is presenting himself. The authorities above him see the manner in which he is presenting himself.
I'm also suprised with the so called bias judge with no backbone