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Companies like gym shark have lot to be held accountable for, as they seem to exclusively hire people who use steroids, but deny it publicly. This is setting unrealistic body expectations in the eyes of young people.
Yes, Gymshark capitalized on young male insecurities by aligning with the emerging male aesthetics trend. These physiques are evidently not naturally attained. Teenagers, being susceptible, can be swayed. Gymshark undeniably exerted a significant influence on this generation. They're now trying to shift their image to one that's more inclusive and diverse. Too late.
Ive been training naturally for 20 years. Ive lost count of the number of juicers ive seen inflate and deflate as they cycle on and off before eventually retiring from the gym and steroids due to health issues. Social media and unethical practices in the fitness industry have made the situation so much worse.
What pisses me off the most about these so called influencers is, they lie by omission. Tell you do x y z and take this supplement but all along they’re on the juice
@@_7.8.6 money is money, viewers is all they need. no matter whatever they say about health they even killing themslef slowly, the better doing how to use the gym equipments or so, and they shouldnt giving advice about health and fitness at all.
Well, it doesn't help that so many people commenting online make excuses for it or say that it's not unhealthy if taken the 'right way'. People shouldn't touch any of this stuff, period, unless it's for a medical reason approved by a doctor for example TRT. But that would be to fix a medical issue not for performance enhancement.
Very interesting video. I'm a pharmacy technician and I'd like to add something. In order to prepare solutions that are going to be injected into the body, it's crucial to have sterile lab conditions. The dealer in the video used a microfilter with a vacuum pump to get rid of impurities, which I supose is much more than other dealers do, but the materials used and the environment weren't sterile. For the liquid to be completely safe, he would need a laminar flow cabinet with some kind of UV irradiation to kill all the microorganism present (Sorry for my English, it's not my main language)
@@roberttrent4388 Even if you sterilize it, the moment you take the material to the open air, it isn't sterilized anymore. There are microorganisms floating in the air. And boiling water doesn't kill everything
@@roberttrent4388 boiling starilizes things for that time only. If you boil things and use them they're going to instantly get microbes again from the environment unless it's a sterile environment like used in labs. You don't know the huge precautions and work it takes for keeping an area sterile complettely until the product is packaged closed and secured if you think boiling in a kitchen = sterile product.
He’s a drug dealer with a conscious. Yeah hes in it for the money like any other dealer, except he don’t wanna kill people, especially 16 year old kids.
Absolutely. I have completely different health issues that required a major surgery, and I recorded something for the doctor about the importance of not fucking up. The best people are those that are honest about their mistakes and warn others.
He’s full of crap ‘I’m an ethical drug dealer’ “not all drug dealers are trying to kill people” goes on to say he sells steroids to teenagers. He literally is killing people just not instantly
The coach who mentioned body dysmorphia was really hitting the nail on the head, even though that clip was just a few seconds. Everyday people who are just getting bigger for the sake of "looking good" need help. Like people who get plastic surgery because they think they dont look good enough.
I think it is even more sad bc most guys just want to get scary so karens stop harassing em. If you want to date a girl you just need to act as gay as humanly possible.
I’ve been training consistently since my teens, I’m 36 now. Still making great progress albeit slowly and enjoying gym as much as ever. I’ve seen so many steroid users come and go. Massive peaks and troughs, psychological issues and training inconsistency based on cycles. Im yet to meet a lifetime natural that regrets not taking gear, but you’ll find plenty of washed up steroid users that regret it.
In the same boat, I am 35, trained since 18 and always been natural. Still learning and making as you say progress albeit it slow. Never regretted not using. Still get comments complementing physique here and there. There really is no need, and especially no need for teenagers to be doing as such. All the best with your training.
And you will feel good and stay healthy into your later years. These guys are trading the now for an early grave or a very difficult/painful 60s/70s, maybe even 50s.
@@cjboyo there is one woman who is a proper man, dont know her name but she abused roids hard when she was young and now you would be scared to see how much of a man she is..
@@lokelaufeyson9931 There is a natural condition which results in women growing full beards called hirsutism; sometimes but not always from PCOS I don’t know what time period you’re referring to but most well known Russian bearded women were way too far back to have been using steroids was there like a sports scandal or something?
Top class documentary. This is by far the best reporting I have seen on steroids and it’s such an important one for young men to see. Thank you for putting this out into the world.
@@HumanGorillaHormone exactly!!! this doc is complete garbage. the people in here who are saying these guys are honest are just clueless. these guys are just uneducated on the very subject of AAS!! just absolute misinformation.
this was a great video, well done Vice. This is important for the people in todays social media era where it's easy to get caught up in comparisons and body image issues. I hope all teens and young adults interested in the gym find this video and and stay informed.
@@TamerEldegwy Yes, as someone who was in the bodybuilding community for years, most would tell you not to do it. including people who sell them, if you were to ask them honestly... but if you choose to do it you are your own responsibility
Thankfully that isn't the intended purpose of changing their voice... It's to make it harder to identify them by voice, not their accent which could be one of countless people.
I'm actually pretty thankful, that I got introduced to different "party" drugs at a young age. It tought me, that all drugs work the same. They simulate something good and you pay for it with your physical/mental helath. The effects however wear of but the damage is permanent. Kept me away from ever taking roids. Also not taking other stuff anymore :)
4:00 I’ve been a heroin addict for 20 years, I finally got on methadone and I was noticing that other patients were getting injections so I asked about it. I didn’t know that opiates lowered your testosterone. Obviously I got my blood checked and I now take weekly injections. Please, please listen to me? Don’t ever take any pills. I only became a addict after being prescribed pain meds without proper warning or education. My mom and I had no idea I would spend the next 20 years fighting a hellish addiction. Stay safe and one love.
I started working out 17 years ago at the age of 35 due to my somewhat older wife having lost complete and total sexual interest in me. My initial idea was that I would put in 6 months of hard work and end up with a physique like a superhero movie star and she would love me again. I looked on all the bodybuilder websites and bought all the magazine and bought all the supplements and went to work. After 6 months, I definitely felt and looked better than when I started, but I looked nowhere near my goal. Nothing like I thought I would. And she couldn’t have cared less. But I fell in love with the act of lifting weights and I have continued for all these years. I’ve come to realize that those magazine and website workout programs are designed by and for people who use steroids. Steroids help you recover from a workout much faster than you can without them, and recovery is where your muscles grow. So I was doing these 5-7 day very lengthy routines, and I was beating my body to a pulp, giving my muscles no time to recover. Today, if I could train someone or advise them, I would definitely have a completely different plan for them than they will ever see in a magazine. Anyway, great video. Thank you!
Wait, but all those magazines say I can do routines that would take 2+ hours (with 60 second rest intervals), 5 days a week, then I just eat chicken and broccoli to refuel and I'll look like a Greek god. The worst is the celebrities: it would almost be a funny joke if they didn't lie through their teeth like we're all idiots. Yeah, The Rock looks like that at 50 because he hits the gym every morning at 4AM before filming all day...
John is a good man. I've had a few dealers like him in my day, people that care. One became my best friend, (rip Steve) it meant a lot to me to see someone actually care about the addict they're supplying. You don't have to, you can make more money not caring but it shows real strength of character. You're still a drug dealer but in my experience they're usually supporting their own habit
His 💩 is bunk. Making it in his kitchen and that everyone in that video that was on stage looked like 💩. If he was the one making Test 400 he don’t know what he is doing 😅😅😅😅😅
He's selling steroids.... Which makes him a drug dealer on paper but steroids will never tear a family apart. You'll never see anyone steal their grammas tv to buy testosterone. Keep in mind, steroids were legal until the 90s..and 90% of the steroids we use were or still are approved for human therapeutic use. With billions of dollars of testing and trials deemed then to be SAFE and effective. But for some reason the public believes steroids are a death sentence.
I got put on TRT 4 years ago and it changed my life. I had very low testosterone from opiates after a bad motorcycle accident. The effects it have on me are I lost my middle aged spread my mood increased tenfold my sleep got significantly better and I went from needing an electric wheelchair to a normal wheelchair I wheel myself in.
@PickleThePig yeah very fair point! Difficult one isn't it, is extreme steroid use or is extreme drinking worse? I think both in moderation are fine!! I started steroids after doing high end night clubs and not being strong enough to fight with roid heads!
Wouldn't an alternative have been martial arts? I do doors now and am natty but I trained MMA and kickboxing for a good 5years in my early adulthood, no problem with the roid heads. Though I gotta stay heavy and not lean to be fair. @@Blastoice
It’s terrifying how normalised steroid use is in the UK I remember at school and university it was just known that some of the guys in our year group always at the gym were taking them!
LMFAO" every time you use this stuff you're risking your life" HAHAHAHA yet noone has ever overdosed and died from aas . And OVER 98% OF AAS USERS LIVE FULL HEALTHY LIVES. HAHAHAHA alcohol kills over 4 million people per year. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids have NEVER KILLED 4 MILLION EVER, IN OVER 70 YEARS! This is hilariously comical fear-porn from actors that have zero clue what they're talking about. Only absolute noobs and morons that know nothing about aas believe the shot these people are saying.
steroid use only seems to give men tits if they're genetically inclined, yeah. if you're a guy and had tits as a youth, be prepared to have those things grow into giant melons when you hop on roids/don't manage your sides properly.
It's no coincidence with the rise of social media, roid usage is at its peak. People just can't stop comparing themselves with others. But also sadly, there is a lot of money, attention and fame in this game for those who succeed.
Excellent report. People like Tom and David are doing great job by showing the actual damages that the abuse of steroids cause. The UK should definitely test all their bodybuilders and ban every participant that test positive. I wonder how a country with such a strict drug control policy like South Korea manages to get several fitness influencers and outstanding athletes, as seen in the Physical 100 TV show, or maybe they just get their AAS in Thailand, where they are legal. This problem of abuse of AAS has been around since the late 70's between professional athletes, then moving to the bodybuilder community in the early 90's and it seems like it's never going to stop, which is so sad.
Absolutely. Also social media is so misleading! I'm 41 and it all started with a Flex magazine, going to the gym and find the balance. Took me one year to find the right direction and to get the wanted V-shape, I was and still am in a good symmetric shape. Cardio plus weight and variations. Nespresso and Starbucks and a balanced diet. My Belgian fries baked in fat and ketchup or pickles? Every week 😊.
Bro, imagine if McDonald's straight up told you not to eat their food. The fact that the dealer is telling you not to do it should be more than enough to keep you away from it.
I’m glad you refer to steroid use as addiction because too many people try to deny that steroids are drugs just like crack or heroine. Steroid users are drug addicts.
I don’t understand criticism of Vice when they report on people who transit the fringes of society (drug users, sex workers, etc). It’s good, informative reporting very few people are doing. “There is a war in-“ ok, good, you seem well informed about it, so what’s the problem..?
Vice started out edgy & went to North Korea, gun markets & Afghan poppy fields. Now it’s about the letter brigade & west every other msm is churning out.
@JohnWall-lj1mx you sound ignorant. Lol. They shed light on how sex work is dangerous and puts both women and young girls in a life of eternal trauma. Sex work, especially porn, is a breeding ground for sex trafficking and exploitation of children.. it’s not about “sex tips”. Have empathy
I used to juice and wanted to be a bodybuilder. I almost had a heart attack at the age of 21 as it exacerbated preexisting health problems. Liver was in bad shape too. Joints were always sore. Was not worth it at all, no point unless maybe you're very competitive at whatever sport you participate in and need to juice like everyone else, but for general health and well-being, avoid the juice.
Not worth at all ever no matter what i fsmily member is now paying the price with a lot of health issues ñrobably all the money ha made will all go to recovering his health which probably in some cases is to late hope is not your case
@@famoushandlehe's full natty. There was never a more natty 6'5 240 shredded behemoth to ever grace the earth with his natty presence.. He's so natty he makes my organic milk cry
I've had 3 friends have heart attacks from roids, all in their 20s. One didn't make it. More than half the people training in the gym are taking HGH and roids, along with many othher things.
When I first started working out I thought the 50% number being thrown around was bullshit. Some time passed since then a d I've learned that it's absolutely real and in some gyms its much higher than 50%.
@-TK- No doubt there are gyms with 90% using, but in the gym we use there are plenty of women and older folk that use the gym also. Under 35s males, more than half easily.
Gymshark, alphalete, etc, should hold an awareness conference. Where their athletes talk about the toll spotlight has on their mental health and the pressure to keep their physique, the urge to taking supplements and even open up about supplement use. Obviously not everyone can speak about using these supplements because they are illegal, but it would be fantastic campaign.
The main issue here is the huge, huge influx of fitness influencers and the companies that promote them. The vast majority of these influencers, whether you believe it or not, are on gear, but they're presented to you as though they're natural. Obviously, people who've been in the community know what they're looking for, but young guys just starting out in the gym are often naive enough to believe that these people are natural, and that they can look like Simeon Panda naturally, then when they don't they turn to gear. This is no different than fashion mags photoshopping women to have tiny waists and no cellulite and then sticking them on the front of the mag and telling women that they too can/should like this with no help.
I had been thinking about peds solely because I wanted to maybe one day step on stage and test that out but this has completely sold me on never taking them. IDC how long it takes me to grow, the risks are just too high. All this has got me thinking about the young fitness guys who are on it like Sam Sulek
What risks? Lmfao ypu do dangerous things and use more risky drugs daily!! Tylenol kills more than aas 😂😂 lmfao they're bioidentical hormones we were born with.
Steroids greatly boosted my fitness progress, enabling me to surpass previous milestones and achieve results more quickly. Their effectiveness depends on incorporating them wisely within a carefully designed regimen that prioritizes both growth and well-being.
I've been on TRT for about 8 months now and I can say at least for me it's changed my life. So many physical and emotional issues that this has changed. It has really helped. Plus changing my whole lifestyle, diet and exercise. I was 285, now I'm 235. I feel amazing.
Totally agree. Steroids helped me recover faster and maintain muscle mass, especially during intense training or after injury. It's amazing how they can support bone health as well, which is crucial for people with conditions like osteoporosis.
There’s no doubt to the benefits of steroids. Honestly, it has greatly impacted my life. It played a major role in achieving my desired physique. People should learn not to abuse these substances and act like they are all bad.
Hey everyone, I’m looking for reliable sources for both steroids and protein supplements. I want to make sure I’m getting them from trustworthy sources. For protein supplements, I’m also interested in recommendations for reputable brands. Any suggestions or advice on where to find safe and high quality options?
Great documentary & about time! The mad thing is people are so secretive about it even though it’s so obvious who’s taking it! People talk more openly about how much recreational drugs they take than they do steroids!
Nice video, really like the honesty of all involved and yet not slandering the users but showing that a dysmorphed image has led them down that dark path.
I remember reading about a study which had 4 control groups, 1 group trained with steroids, 1 trained without steroids, 1 group didn't do any training but were on steroids and the last group didn't train or didn't take any steroids. The people who took steroids and didn't train gained more muscle mass than the naturals who trained. It's probably insanely hard to give up steroids once you see the gains you can make in a short amount of time.
It can be done, but it’s not fun. I’d liken it to having nights out being the only one not drinking or going back to having sex with a condom etc etc Steroids make hard work feel good.
that study was hilarious, but the results didn't account for gain in non-contractile tissue or mass, like fat or water weight. Taking PEDs without training doesn't help you get any muscle mass.
@@alubchickenyeah, correct it was gains in lean body mass which is everything except fat. And we know that steroids dramatically increase water retention, blood volume, and glycogen stores
Good job on Thomas the first guy on recognizing his issues and making the right changes to continue life in a healthier manner and life. Also the guy making PEDs I'm his kitchen wtf , so disturbing
I’ve been in medicine for awhile… once had a bodybuilder who tore his quads… they just rolled up his leg into a giant meatball looking thing in his groin…. It looked so painful and I heard later he was in hospital for awhile and he went through horrible withdrawals from the stuff he was on… to this day i don’t know what happened to him but I hope he’s okay
what do you think happensm when you quit cold turkey? you don't produce any testosterone anymore, because injecting testosterone (or most other androgenic hormones) surpresses your natural testosterone production.@@CRCfail
Great documentary and hats off to those providing the honesty within it. I’m now 36 and started training at around 21-22. In hindsight I was naive as to what was achievable natural, but as I have gotten older and more experienced (and stayed natural), I have realised two things: 1. I realise now that my physique is something pretty damn good for no juicey (and frankly would hold its own against a lot of the smaller roid users), and B. I understand even less why anyone would just hop on gear so early on. That said, I also said no to class A drugs i nights out even when peers saw it as normal. Keep lifting drug free people, you’ll be fit, healthy, feel good and you will achieve a great physique if you keep chipping away and believing in yourself. 💪🏽
I remember several years ago heroin addiction destroyed my life, I suffered from severe depression and a mental disorder until I was recommended to psilocybin mushroom treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly I'm 8 years clean now. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms.
To be honest, mushrooms are one of the most amazing things on the planet and it is natural, they serve in many ways not only for mental related issues.
Can you help me with a reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. It is very hard to get a reliable source here in New Zealand. Really need!
Yes, Sporeville. I had the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD, and addiction... Mushrooms definitely made a huge difference to why I'm clean today.
if you can cheat you cheat, if you can hide it you will cheat absolutely. Until the day when you cant hide and then its "legit" according to yourself and you ignore the risk.
@@androwaydie4081 the worst part with roids is that its easy to become a time bomb after a few years and then you are screwed O.o but it can also be a self cleaning feature of nature. They cant get their own kiddies after a while, its too wack out of balance
I think this might be a silent epidemic everywhere. I've seen guys at parties saying they need calf implants to match their body. (Already looks ripped and fit enough for any girl) I said No Way you look perfect already! I got lightly shamed for saying that... "its his body (etc)."
Thanks Vice for this; BodyBuilding is entering a new era with the online fitness space growing an actual community and becoming an entertainment category on social media platforms; The extreme conditions that female and male bodybuilders put their bodies under is becoming the new norm, the evidence is there if you research the amount of fitness channels by novices being opened on youtube regularly. This just prove my idea that social media is going to drive a new modern craze like any other new fad or trend that we have seen in the past. This is a very big problem, women are going for the ripped look now and the influencers are not sharing the effects of doing so wether by steroid or not. To summarize, the fitness space is becoming a circus, the new trend is now TRT, ppl that do not need TRT are taking it. Low doses are becoming as popular as a common sport supplement.
I work as a doctor in a steroid counseling and monitoring clinic called the Android Health Clinic in the Netherlands. It's actually the first and only clinic in the country, that focuses on (ex) steroid users or people who consider using them. It is wonderful to be able to help so many people that otherwise have no reliable source of information, monitoring or treatment of side effects. One should look beyond the stigma's, especially in the medical field!
@@gardenguster5271 Testosterone cypionate, enanthate and undecanoate are used by women who struggle with sex body dysmorphia, or "gender dysphoria". Also by women who wants to increase their muscular mass, for us it's incredibly difficult to do it because biology is against it. I will happily use it for a while to increase muscle mass and energy, but I would never risk the chance to become bald or to get hirsutism again. I had to take certain contraception pills for so long (still do) that helped me recover from conditions inherited from my father's side (funny thing is I was the one with hirsutism, my brother didn't have a vellus before puberty) and acne, but that eventually caused me lipedema. Oh the hormonal horrors.
I met a guy recently in a hospital, he used steroids and growth hormone for just 2 years since he was 16 to 18. When he was around 33 years old, doctors found protein in his urine and advised him to check his kidneys. He quickly forgot this though, until he was 39 and began strugling during physical activity. He thought it was the heart, but doctors quickly found out it was his kidneys failing. Today at 40 years old, he lives with donated kidney, a gift from his wife, takes a whole bunch of pills daily and came back to hospital for another surgery due to reoccurring urine system infection issue. For his kidney failure he blames his use of steroids and similar stuff. For growth hormone he said it particularly tends to induce and accelerate development of any disease you have genetic predisposition to.
I really loved watching this. I only wished that somebody would have also talked about SARMs, which are often considered pretty safe to take compared to steroids. Surely the potential side effects are not as dramatic as stuff like Tren, but the impact on your body is still massive. Messing up your hormonal balance will definitely cause you problems, unless you are already born with an imbalance that needs to be fixed. I am a skinny guy that always struggled in putting on muscle mass, despite notable dedication in training and diet. I am not gonna lie, I have been tempted many times by taking something, because I was always watching these shredded guys in the gym looking so good. Then I realized that what makes me feel good is to keep myself as healthy as possible. Starting to combine cardio with weight lifting brought me to a condition of stamina and endurance that I never had before. I went from running 1km to my first 20km in a few months. My sexual and mental health became as good as I could wish. Would I ever compromise all of that for bigger muscles? Never.
Uhm steroids are extremely safe and much safer than sarms which are very untested on humans and we don't really know the long term effects of them on the body like we do with aas and we know how to mitigate potential side effects and what to expect . We dont with sarms. Although they are weaker and less effective than aas they are way less studied and understood. Aas is not near as dangerous as people believe. They are bioidentical hormones we were born with .... 😂 and after 30-35 aas is actually good for you In many cases. Low testosterone and declining test is not healthy.
You couldn't put on weigh cause you DIDNT EAT enough. You haven't learnt enough of the athletic sciences and health sciences to figure it out lol all this time. There is no such thing as a hard gainer. Only people that can't eat enough . And don't know how to properly train, sleep and build muscle. Learn your nutrition and supplementation.
@@JLUX100 Sorry to disappoint but I do believe I know biology and science pretty well having a PhD in Molecular Biology. I have spent also lots of my free time learning about nutrition and supplementation, implementing and experimenting a lot of different regimens on myself. Last winter I pushed myself to eat 3200kcal a day, with high protein intake and whole food sources, and that much calories is a lot for somebody like me. I ended up gaining excessive body fat, my sleep quality worsened, my libido decreased. In the summertime, when I went down to 2200kcal a day, I felt better than ever. I was lean again and I liked myself way more. People who believe "you should eat more to get bigger" have no clues what genetics and metabolism are. Going against your own genetics will just lead you to get sick in the long term.
@@marcopannone1325 @marcopannone1325 lmfao because you don't have a clue what you're doing. If you did you wouldn't have gotten fat by adding 1000kcal extra per day for a bulk 😂😂😂 lmfao and what was your protein intake daily and carb intake? Ypu should have been slowly increasing your caloric surplus in 100kcal increments every few weeks or per month. 😂😂 I love how you use such a shallow anecdotal example as if it's proof to support your claims. And what else did you do have you been talking your blood glucose and what ate your hormone levels at ? All of this factors in to your sleep and how you feel. Lmfao not how muxh you eat. How often were you eating ? Eating two massive meals doesn't do the same thing to your metabolism that eating 5-7 times per day does. Eat every 3-4 to hours and your metabolism will be muxh faster and help ypu process and Utilize that extra food intake. Ypu have no clue and you've showed it with this reply about metabolisms, nutrition and supplementation or bodybuilding in general. Again, you cant gain muscle cause you don't k ow what you're doing therefore can't est enough of the nutrition you need consistently. Y0u dont understand biochemistry, kinesiology, nutrition and supplementation, endocrinology or pharmacology. LOL I love you trying to tell someone that's an ex national athlete rugby player and a bodybuilder of 14 years that he doesn't know. I've been learning this stuff and APPLYING it for more than twice the length you went to school. I eat 3600kcal a day when bulking and I'm not fat. Some bodybuilders eat 7, 8k per day and domt get fat. Everyone's body is slightly different and everyone's metabolism is ever changing . You have to build up your Metabolism. Not destroy it and your endocrine system. This leads to feeling and looking like garbage
Just a note with gynecomastia: they are due to breast glandular tissue growing from Estrogen stimulation. Some male teenagers have them due to hormonal imbalances during puberty and this can resolve spontaneously but they can also have this surgery done to relieve their embarrassment. Another I have observed are obese individuals who slimmed down. Peripheral fat tissue also increases estrogen and even after they slim down, they find that their chest looks puffy around the nipples nonetheless.
This has nothing to do with society expectations. That’s an excuse. No one in the real world cares what you look like and if you’re a dedicated natural you’ll look better than 99% of the public anyways. So it’s just a narrative in a juicers head which doesn’t make it true.
I don't think they feel the need to meet societys expectations. Men like to be useful by nature which generally means being strong and in shape. The reason so many ppl use steroids now is because they're effective. They work and they absolutely do not kill people. Or they wouldnt be so popular.
i have been going to the gym 4 years now and its shocking the amount of people you see who hop, go from being chubby to jacked in 6 months and then you never see again. really needs to better education on the damage and risks behind them. This social media world we live in leaves kids feeling like they have no choice.
It’s difficult not to want to try Roids. As much as people say “don’t compare yourself”, we all do compare ourselves to others in the gym. It’s videos like this thay reinstate the risks that help remind me to stay natty
I'm nearly 64, been lifting since the age of 10. Have always been natural. Roids have always been about but these days its so much more open. I saw 2 young lads no more that 20 injecting in the locker room the other day. It seems social media has alot to answer for, for giving youngsters unrealistic expectations without using plus alot of youngsters want a good physique as quick as possible...
I'm 20. People from my school have taken it. Its a shame how much risk people take at such a young age being so far away from their natural potential. I think i'm bigger and stronger than a few of them being a natural lifter myself for 3 years. Its ridiculous that people consider juice within first years of training.
You are a wise man mate. I have 3 sons. They all lift, ages 22, 20 and 18. I say the same to them about roids. I do worry, especially with my youngest that the pressure on social media will make him do it. @@jackhasutooob
A little younger than you at 54. Started lifting when I was 14, so 40 years now, sometimes more seriously and sometimes less seriously but I’ve never taken anything stronger than a protein shake and vitamins. It is really tragic seeing young boys get pulled into these PEDs knowing that they are going to be a mess by the time they are 40. I’m a bit stiff and my joints don’t have as much movement as they used to but I’m stronger now at 54 than I’ve ever been through the slow accumulation of effort over decades.
Relatable. I am an amateur gymnast, and extremely proud in my body and my looks. Regardless, the number of times I've spoken with people and asked for what I use, and after that if I want to get something to use, it's astounding. I've trained for around 6 years now, and progressed slowly and methodically to the state i am now. I am relatively small, never the biggest in the room. Regardless, I am never taking anything to get bigger, my health is not worth a momentary ego boost and an increased body dismorphia.
Its so sad what people go through to change the shell we are born into. Its a short trip in this life and by the end father time always has thr upper hand. Having multiple brain surgeries in my mid 20s opend up my eyes how precious life is. Start the work on the inside, thats what's sustainable. Get to know yourself. Sit with yourself. Its the hardest but most rewarding action in life.
without meaning to take away the meaning of your point, body dysmorphia is a very real thing that hormone replacement and sometimes surgery can help with for some people
Trained at various commercial gyms and the odd bodybuilding-focused gym in the UK and I've not seen many people that look juicy at all (especially at commercial gyms), and have never been offered steroids.
Same, I've trained 10+ years in different UK gyms and spotting obvious roid users is nowhere near as commonplace as the stats suggest. The sad fact is that most users are getting results that could be achieved naturally through effort and consistency, albeit more slowly. And they are getting younger and younger.
Not all roid users look like bodybuilders. They are roid users with great genetics and hyper responsive to the gear. Most roid users dont even look good to the point you cant tell
Whoever did the score for this (particularly during the surgery scene) deserves both an Oscar nomination, and a War Crimes Tribunal. Bravo, and yet, “Damn Dude…”. Well done, and umm - I would say keep up the good work, but I could have done with not seeing the patient ‘squish’ the gland, so, um - yuck, and thank you - for not being able to eat, or get through Halloween (No Candy!). Thanks, in all honesty for being as honest and open. Here’s to less surgery and more - ponies, pennies and/or peonies, maybe?
yooo very interesting vid, thanks for speadig awareness of this issue, my only concern was the lack of mask in the operation room, maybe should have worn it idk im not a doctor
Giving yourself injections is not good. I also work out taking Testosterone Enanthate, Deca, Winstrol and other stuff. If you go down this path there is no going back, women start liking you more than before, you have a constant desire for sex and you can always have sex, after sex. It becomes a bad spiral, women, sex drugs and so on dad.😈💜
In the UK? I don't think so mate, have you not our coppers? In the US sure. I fucking wish the UK police used roids, you'd honestly expect it given they don't even carry guns but nah. They're wet wipes man.
It's possible to get jacked while remaining natural. It might take a lot longer, and you might not end up at 150kg with 7% body fat, but you can still build to a decent size while staying lean, all while remaining healthy and keeping your balls intact. Have patience and avoid shortcuts when it comes to health and fitness.
Imo natural looks better. Getting so unreasonably big to a point where you’re face changes and you’re skin looks terrible. Inside and out everything’s getting enlarged. Don’t get me wrong smoke Em if you got ‘em but steroids are nothing to play with.
I like this guy i do gym never took steroids though i am not shredded like him however i must thank you this guy who talked openly even he knows he will come on camera.
People don’t want to take the slow grind but you end up better in the long run for it. Focus on the workout itself and not how you look and you’ll get way more out of it. Instead of worrying about why your chest/arms/whatever isn’t growing… you just focus on getting better at working out itself and then you suprise yourself with the gains
I spent the first 23 years of my life extremely obese then one day, I saw the wood chopping scene from Avenger's Age of Ultron and decided that's the body type I wanted. I lost over 100 lbs, I entered a weight room and haven't stopped working out. But, I never touched P.E.D.s or roids, or anything like that. I get my muscles from eating curry. Do I have the physique of Captain America? No, but I look like Rieko Ioane and that's good enough for me. Also, Chis Evans has begged guys not to replicate his physique in the Captain America movies because it's dangerous. I still feel good, I look good when I walk around and the funniest thing is, that my college in university is jokingly known for being a deadlifting competition. All the guys are either fat-to-fit, lifelong daredevils, or ex-military, and we look as close to Jojo characters as we can in real life. So, when I meet people they know right away what major I'm in.
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Gracias. 🙌🏽
Lo haria si fuera español de españa, no español de america del sur.
no trae ese boton
@@Slayn5😂
Companies like gym shark have lot to be held accountable for, as they seem to exclusively hire people who use steroids, but deny it publicly. This is setting unrealistic body expectations in the eyes of young people.
make sense, as they want models with society's ideal bodies to rep their apparel
thats 100 % correct !
Fitness companies love promoting the ‘plus size’ females yet use fake nattys for the male audience
Stupid is as stupid does
The opportunity to do stupid things will always be there but only stupid people will choose it, that's on them
Yes, Gymshark capitalized on young male insecurities by aligning with the emerging male aesthetics trend. These physiques are evidently not naturally attained. Teenagers, being susceptible, can be swayed. Gymshark undeniably exerted a significant influence on this generation. They're now trying to shift their image to one that's more inclusive and diverse. Too late.
Ive been training naturally for 20 years. Ive lost count of the number of juicers ive seen inflate and deflate as they cycle on and off before eventually retiring from the gym and steroids due to health issues. Social media and unethical practices in the fitness industry have made the situation so much worse.
What pisses me off the most about these so called influencers is, they lie by omission. Tell you do x y z and take this supplement but all along they’re on the juice
Natural muscle is real muscle
@@_7.8.6 money is money, viewers is all they need.
no matter whatever they say about health they even killing themslef slowly, the better doing how to use the gym equipments or so, and they shouldnt giving advice about health and fitness at all.
Well, it doesn't help that so many people commenting online make excuses for it or say that it's not unhealthy if taken the 'right way'.
People shouldn't touch any of this stuff, period, unless it's for a medical reason approved by a doctor for example TRT. But that would be to fix a medical issue not for performance enhancement.
Can bulk and cut x4 over 2 years make you properly built?
Very interesting video. I'm a pharmacy technician and I'd like to add something. In order to prepare solutions that are going to be injected into the body, it's crucial to have sterile lab conditions. The dealer in the video used a microfilter with a vacuum pump to get rid of impurities, which I supose is much more than other dealers do, but the materials used and the environment weren't sterile. For the liquid to be completely safe, he would need a laminar flow cabinet with some kind of UV irradiation to kill all the microorganism present (Sorry for my English, it's not my main language)
Thank you, very interesting information.
Great info
You dont know that, it only showed the end step, sterilizing equipment is a simple as boiling water
@@roberttrent4388 Even if you sterilize it, the moment you take the material to the open air, it isn't sterilized anymore. There are microorganisms floating in the air. And boiling water doesn't kill everything
@@roberttrent4388 boiling starilizes things for that time only. If you boil things and use them they're going to instantly get microbes again from the environment unless it's a sterile environment like used in labs.
You don't know the huge precautions and work it takes for keeping an area sterile complettely until the product is packaged closed and secured if you think boiling in a kitchen = sterile product.
When a dealer is telling young people not to take steriods, that's all need to know on how truly dangerous it is.
He’s a drug dealer with a conscious. Yeah hes in it for the money like any other dealer, except he don’t wanna kill people, especially 16 year old kids.
Not just a dealer, producer too
it's not dangerous if you have more than 2 brain cells...
Yeah but if its suddenly called "transitioning" then take all the steroids in the world and then some! Hilarious how this works 😂
@@baraka629 That is so true
mad respect to john for being so brutally honest
Absolutely. I have completely different health issues that required a major surgery, and I recorded something for the doctor about the importance of not fucking up.
The best people are those that are honest about their mistakes and warn others.
He’s full of crap ‘I’m an ethical drug dealer’ “not all drug dealers are trying to kill people” goes on to say he sells steroids to teenagers. He literally is killing people just not instantly
He's honest about it but he still sells them to the kids!
girls don't like fat guys. but it seems they don't mind his tiny balls 😂
Yea he got tiny balls
The coach who mentioned body dysmorphia was really hitting the nail on the head, even though that clip was just a few seconds. Everyday people who are just getting bigger for the sake of "looking good" need help. Like people who get plastic surgery because they think they dont look good enough.
This is even worse, because anabolics can give you ED. And then it won't matter how sexy you are.
men gets 0 attention for their entire life especially these day, of course this is the result
@@mihneaiordan1813so can cigarettes, so it won't matter how cool you are. Men's penises can be sensitive things
I think it is even more sad bc most guys just want to get scary so karens stop harassing em. If you want to date a girl you just need to act as gay as humanly possible.
Don’t compare yourself to others. What you said sounds very correct.
I was in school with Tom. Great guy. Has always been genuine and honest. He was always nice even to us less popular kids. Great documentary bro 👍
lol less popular dork
Yo po veo por que esta traducido en español, Que empatico es este chico, Gebial!
I’ve been training consistently since my teens, I’m 36 now. Still making great progress albeit slowly and enjoying gym as much as ever. I’ve seen so many steroid users come and go. Massive peaks and troughs, psychological issues and training inconsistency based on cycles. Im yet to meet a lifetime natural that regrets not taking gear, but you’ll find plenty of washed up steroid users that regret it.
I thought you were like 28, Ross. Clearly no steroid-related ageing going on here, ha!
I’m 37 my older workout buddies definitely have me feeling like Dewey cocks when they talk about using test
jesus, you look tiny, even for a natural
In the same boat, I am 35, trained since 18 and always been natural. Still learning and making as you say progress albeit it slow. Never regretted not using. Still get comments complementing physique here and there. There really is no need, and especially no need for teenagers to be doing as such.
All the best with your training.
well said
That’s why I’m proud to be a lifetime natural weightlifter been training for 20 years consistently.
And you will feel good and stay healthy into your later years. These guys are trading the now for an early grave or a very difficult/painful 60s/70s, maybe even 50s.
@@HermannTheGreat True, I’m 46 years old & still feel good
you re barly 20
Love how honest those guys were. I really enjoyed this video, but would love to see one about female steroid users some day.
there is a few clips from the old ussr where they talk about the "bearded ladies".. women who grow beard an grow into men from abuse..
@@lokelaufeyson9931They don’t “turn into men,” their body does masculinize somewhat though
It's a fukn Trainwreck.
@@cjboyo there is one woman who is a proper man, dont know her name but she abused roids hard when she was young and now you would be scared to see how much of a man she is..
@@lokelaufeyson9931 There is a natural condition which results in women growing full beards called hirsutism; sometimes but not always from PCOS
I don’t know what time period you’re referring to but most well known Russian bearded women were way too far back to have been using steroids
was there like a sports scandal or something?
Top class documentary. This is by far the best reporting I have seen on steroids and it’s such an important one for young men to see. Thank you for putting this out into the world.
Nat geo did a really good documentary too "trafficked with mariana van zeller" season 1 episode 4
Except for all the misinformation and MASSIVE exaggerations
Could have done with out the presenter squealing like a girl with the surgery part, what did he think was going to happen when he went in?
@@HumanGorillaHormone exactly!!! this doc is complete garbage. the people in here who are saying these guys are honest are just clueless. these guys are just uneducated on the very subject of AAS!! just absolute misinformation.
Hahahah clueless clown .
Obi's pieces are mad good. Great and sincere work, as always.
Best thing Vice has done in a long time. Well done chaps
Agreed, this one and the old vid they did on steroids stay some of their best content ever imo.
Lame. Lots of disinformation in the video
@@bulleit9459 like what?
this was a great video, well done Vice. This is important for the people in todays social media era where it's easy to get caught up in comparisons and body image issues. I hope all teens and young adults interested in the gym find this video and and stay informed.
Great job!! I hope this reaches those who need to hear it.
When a dealer says "don't do this damn drug," it should open your eyes. John is the realest one out there.
And you believed that this is a real dealer ?! 😂😂😂😂
@@TamerEldegwy Exactly. No real dealer is gonna go on a documentary and risk getting locked up to preach some "drugs are bad for you" BS.
@@BlueCourtingBooks🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TamerEldegwy Yes, as someone who was in the bodybuilding community for years, most would tell you not to do it. including people who sell them, if you were to ask them honestly... but if you choose to do it you are your own responsibility
@@peterfox5897 😂😂😂😂 so funny
There's no amount of voice changing that can change that geordie accent 😂
Thankfully that isn't the intended purpose of changing their voice... It's to make it harder to identify them by voice, not their accent which could be one of countless people.
😂
@@mcshartypants oh wow, really?
@@stuartpollock84 Unsure why you're going on like a sarcy gimp, your joke just wasn't funny lad.
@@stuartpollock84 howay man
I'm actually pretty thankful, that I got introduced to different "party" drugs at a young age. It tought me, that all drugs work the same. They simulate something good and you pay for it with your physical/mental helath. The effects however wear of but the damage is permanent. Kept me away from ever taking roids.
Also not taking other stuff anymore :)
4:00 I’ve been a heroin addict for 20 years, I finally got on methadone and I was noticing that other patients were getting injections so I asked about it. I didn’t know that opiates lowered your testosterone. Obviously I got my blood checked and I now take weekly injections.
Please, please listen to me?
Don’t ever take any pills. I only became a addict after being prescribed pain meds without proper warning or education. My mom and I had no idea I would spend the next 20 years fighting a hellish addiction.
Stay safe and one love.
Kratom got me off dope 😂😂😂😂😂
Amazing to hear you're off mate. Fucking well done. It's so difficult to get off a substance. You're a beast mate 💪 hope all is well.
I started working out 17 years ago at the age of 35 due to my somewhat older wife having lost complete and total sexual interest in me. My initial idea was that I would put in 6 months of hard work and end up with a physique like a superhero movie star and she would love me again. I looked on all the bodybuilder websites and bought all the magazine and bought all the supplements and went to work. After 6 months, I definitely felt and looked better than when I started, but I looked nowhere near my goal. Nothing like I thought I would. And she couldn’t have cared less. But I fell in love with the act of lifting weights and I have continued for all these years. I’ve come to realize that those magazine and website workout programs are designed by and for people who use steroids. Steroids help you recover from a workout much faster than you can without them, and recovery is where your muscles grow. So I was doing these 5-7 day very lengthy routines, and I was beating my body to a pulp, giving my muscles no time to recover. Today, if I could train someone or advise them, I would definitely have a completely different plan for them than they will ever see in a magazine. Anyway, great video. Thank you!
What would you advise for recovery? :)
Wait, but all those magazines say I can do routines that would take 2+ hours (with 60 second rest intervals), 5 days a week, then I just eat chicken and broccoli to refuel and I'll look like a Greek god. The worst is the celebrities: it would almost be a funny joke if they didn't lie through their teeth like we're all idiots. Yeah, The Rock looks like that at 50 because he hits the gym every morning at 4AM before filming all day...
Bit rude, but are you still with your wife?
@@Rocky-c5e yes. 30 years of marriage. Sex isn’t everything.
@@WhyTheHorseface true 👌
Generally haven’t enjoyed Vice as much the last few years but this was a great piece.
John is a bigger man (pun not intended) than any roid user I've seen, for coming on Vice and being so honest and open about anything. Respect sir 👍
John is a good man. I've had a few dealers like him in my day, people that care. One became my best friend, (rip Steve) it meant a lot to me to see someone actually care about the addict they're supplying. You don't have to, you can make more money not caring but it shows real strength of character. You're still a drug dealer but in my experience they're usually supporting their own habit
I feel you
His 💩 is bunk. Making it in his kitchen and that everyone in that video that was on stage looked like 💩. If he was the one making Test 400 he don’t know what he is doing 😅😅😅😅😅
😂😂😂😂 I’m sure his heart bleeds
He's selling steroids.... Which makes him a drug dealer on paper but steroids will never tear a family apart. You'll never see anyone steal their grammas tv to buy testosterone. Keep in mind, steroids were legal until the 90s..and 90% of the steroids we use were or still are approved for human therapeutic use. With billions of dollars of testing and trials deemed then to be SAFE and effective.
But for some reason the public believes steroids are a death sentence.
Are u from New Zealand
I got put on TRT 4 years ago and it changed my life. I had very low testosterone from opiates after a bad motorcycle accident. The effects it have on me are I lost my middle aged spread my mood increased tenfold my sleep got significantly better and I went from needing an electric wheelchair to a normal wheelchair I wheel myself in.
Good for you. does not mean anyone else should do TRT just for the fun of it
you are what trt is meant for and i’m glad it helped you. unfortunately people exploiting it when they don’t need it it hurts the reputation a lot
Sounds like a placebo effect
@@MeatCatCheesyBlaster definitely not
I’m in the same boat. Need to find a doctor who will help my recovery.
Extremely true.... These kids are 16 with no lifting experience and taking steroids.... Unbelievable
16 year olds also drink, smoke and take drugs
@PickleThePig yeah very fair point! Difficult one isn't it, is extreme steroid use or is extreme drinking worse?
I think both in moderation are fine!! I started steroids after doing high end night clubs and not being strong enough to fight with roid heads!
@@Blastoicethere's no safe way to rake steroids in the UK though, unless you're sourcing all your materials and making it yourself
Wouldn't an alternative have been martial arts? I do doors now and am natty but I trained MMA and kickboxing for a good 5years in my early adulthood, no problem with the roid heads. Though I gotta stay heavy and not lean to be fair. @@Blastoice
thank you for making this. Very informative for young people thinking about starting on this path.
The drug dealer seems chill af 😂
That guy was such a hypocrite. He’s like “it breaks my heart to sell roids to 18-24 year olds.” No it doesn’t he’s making bank off them.
if it wasn't him it will be someone else that cares less@@Hakushodemon
so why pretend like he has any morals or cares about selling drugs to kids. Fake scumbags @@atodaso1668
@@atodaso1668 is that an excuse? Lol
Nope, that's just how it works in the real world @@jinfin221
It’s terrifying how normalised steroid use is in the UK I remember at school and university it was just known that some of the guys in our year group always at the gym were taking them!
It's only terrifying if you believe that steroids will kill you. Yet, you said it yourself how mainstream they are yet... No bodies.
LMFAO" every time you use this stuff you're risking your life" HAHAHAHA yet noone has ever overdosed and died from aas . And OVER 98% OF AAS USERS LIVE FULL HEALTHY LIVES. HAHAHAHA alcohol kills over 4 million people per year. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids have NEVER KILLED 4 MILLION EVER, IN OVER 70 YEARS! This is hilariously comical fear-porn from actors that have zero clue what they're talking about. Only absolute noobs and morons that know nothing about aas believe the shot these people are saying.
Seems like im living in another world, have never heard anyone admitting use or offering me something.
@@christoph8630 self-selection/confirmation bias, thing.
@@scslrefor who him/ the other guy
Great video. It’s always great to see the grey area of medicine and what happens outside of big pharmaceutical companies
Gynecomastia is very common in people with no steroid history as well
Yes, breast tissue is also common in women and men who are in an oestrogen-dominant state through consuming an unhealthy diet.
steroid use only seems to give men tits if they're genetically inclined, yeah. if you're a guy and had tits as a youth, be prepared to have those things grow into giant melons when you hop on roids/don't manage your sides properly.
People aren’t smart enough to take aramotase inhibitors.
@@sexualgladiator unhealthy diets can cause hormonal imbalances (ie low T), not estrogen dominant states.
@@gustavesoucy-breton6841 oestrogen dominance IS a low Testosterone state.
I see it simply as many people with huge insecurities. It's just sad.
FR
They will die young.
It's no coincidence with the rise of social media, roid usage is at its peak. People just can't stop comparing themselves with others. But also sadly, there is a lot of money, attention and fame in this game for those who succeed.
Daddy issues
@@Shinkajoonly a rare few find success, and at what cost to their long term health?
Excellent report.
People like Tom and David are doing great job by showing the actual damages that the abuse of steroids cause.
The UK should definitely test all their bodybuilders and ban every participant that test positive.
I wonder how a country with such a strict drug control policy like South Korea manages to get several fitness influencers and outstanding athletes, as seen in the Physical 100 TV show, or maybe they just get their AAS in Thailand, where they are legal.
This problem of abuse of AAS has been around since the late 70's between professional athletes, then moving to the bodybuilder community in the early 90's and it seems like it's never going to stop, which is so sad.
Keep it natural Bros!
Just say "Nahi Chahiye Ji" and move on.
no
@@KJ_1611 bruh I was just about to comment this lmao
There's nothing wrong with creatine!
so keep it small?
Huge respect to them for raising awareness!
Absolutely. Also social media is so misleading!
I'm 41 and it all started with a Flex magazine, going to the gym and find the balance.
Took me one year to find the right direction and to get the wanted V-shape, I was and still am in a good symmetric shape. Cardio plus weight and variations.
Nespresso and Starbucks and a balanced diet.
My Belgian fries baked in fat and ketchup or pickles? Every week 😊.
They want you on roids
Bro, imagine if McDonald's straight up told you not to eat their food. The fact that the dealer is telling you not to do it should be more than enough to keep you away from it.
I’m glad you refer to steroid use as addiction because too many people try to deny that steroids are drugs just like crack or heroine. Steroid users are drug addicts.
More like sober addict with a devil hiding behind a smiling mask waiting for another victim to fall
But its not a physical dependence like heroin or booze.
@@leigh7507it’s mental which is worse
This is not true. AAS are not an addictive substance like opiods or cocaine that cause physical dependency, they are mental.
@@murkstalinskitm5334Cocaine does *not* cause physical dependency.
I don’t understand criticism of Vice when they report on people who transit the fringes of society (drug users, sex workers, etc).
It’s good, informative reporting very few people are doing.
“There is a war in-“ ok, good, you seem well informed about it, so what’s the problem..?
what color is your buggati?
@@LaioAroca What color's your cell?
@@LaioAroca😂
Vice started out edgy & went to North Korea, gun markets & Afghan poppy fields.
Now it’s about the letter brigade & west every other msm is churning out.
@JohnWall-lj1mx you sound ignorant. Lol. They shed light on how sex work is dangerous and puts both women and young girls in a life of eternal trauma. Sex work, especially porn, is a breeding ground for sex trafficking and exploitation of children.. it’s not about “sex tips”. Have empathy
Que persona tan noble al ser tan honesto con temas tan delicados.
I used to juice and wanted to be a bodybuilder. I almost had a heart attack at the age of 21 as it exacerbated preexisting health problems. Liver was in bad shape too. Joints were always sore. Was not worth it at all, no point unless maybe you're very competitive at whatever sport you participate in and need to juice like everyone else, but for general health and well-being, avoid the juice.
22yo and already that amount of issues?
You abused the of course. Use and abuse are different . I had sides but never like that .
Not worth at all ever no matter what i fsmily member is now paying the price with a lot of health issues ñrobably all the money ha made will all go to recovering his health which probably in some cases is to late hope is not your case
@luispou8106 exactly use to keep in shape and maintain a look is very different than taking so much to be the biggest person
This is why I support Mike O’Hearn. A proper natural athlete.
lol
No a part about him natural
Loool he is full roids 😅😂
@@famoushandlehe's full natty. There was never a more natty 6'5 240 shredded behemoth to ever grace the earth with his natty presence..
He's so natty he makes my organic milk cry
😂😢
Love how honest these guys were. Respect.
Very info. Like the old Vice. Keep it up and thanks. It was a very well balanced and honest look at the pros and cons.
Quite simply.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO.
Love these guys being honest about their use of roids!!!! Well done 👍🏻
I've had 3 friends have heart attacks from roids, all in their 20s. One didn't make it. More than half the people training in the gym are taking HGH and roids, along with many othher things.
Doubt its steroids . Probably more like clen, T3, or pre workouts . Steroids don't work acutely like that . Heart disease takes years to happen
When I first started working out I thought the 50% number being thrown around was bullshit. Some time passed since then a d I've learned that it's absolutely real and in some gyms its much higher than 50%.
@-TK- No doubt there are gyms with 90% using, but in the gym we use there are plenty of women and older folk that use the gym also. Under 35s males, more than half easily.
shout out to the well built nattys
Because they abused it or didn't know what compound to take
UK folks are very Friendly. Especially the Drug dealer. Great program
Gymshark, alphalete, etc, should hold an awareness conference. Where their athletes talk about the toll spotlight has on their mental health and the pressure to keep their physique, the urge to taking supplements and even open up about supplement use. Obviously not everyone can speak about using these supplements because they are illegal, but it would be fantastic campaign.
@roblipsett
The mental part is the most serious part to me. I've seen people change!
The main issue here is the huge, huge influx of fitness influencers and the companies that promote them.
The vast majority of these influencers, whether you believe it or not, are on gear, but they're presented to you as though they're natural. Obviously, people who've been in the community know what they're looking for, but young guys just starting out in the gym are often naive enough to believe that these people are natural, and that they can look like Simeon Panda naturally, then when they don't they turn to gear.
This is no different than fashion mags photoshopping women to have tiny waists and no cellulite and then sticking them on the front of the mag and telling women that they too can/should like this with no help.
Mike o Hearn is the best natty vegan cross fitter Ever he even has his hair on his head
@@RazorRamonMachismo Just duck eggs bro
I had been thinking about peds solely because I wanted to maybe one day step on stage and test that out but this has completely sold me on never taking them. IDC how long it takes me to grow, the risks are just too high. All this has got me thinking about the young fitness guys who are on it like Sam Sulek
Sam Sulek is a walking warning, guy is so young but his face looks so haggered, sad
@@whywhywhy9659y0ure a clueless m0r0n. Hahaha cope
What risks? Lmfao ypu do dangerous things and use more risky drugs daily!! Tylenol kills more than aas 😂😂 lmfao they're bioidentical hormones we were born with.
tbf his face looked a bit like that before he started training @@whywhywhy9659
if this video has fully convinced you one way or the other, you are someone who should never EVER be anywhere near peds.
Steroids greatly boosted my fitness progress, enabling me to surpass previous milestones and achieve results more quickly. Their effectiveness depends on incorporating them wisely within a carefully designed regimen that prioritizes both growth and well-being.
I've been on TRT for about 8 months now and I can say at least for me it's changed my life. So many physical and emotional issues that this has changed. It has really helped. Plus changing my whole lifestyle, diet and exercise. I was 285, now I'm 235. I feel amazing.
Totally agree. Steroids helped me recover faster and maintain muscle mass, especially during intense training or after injury. It's amazing how they can support bone health as well, which is crucial for people with conditions like osteoporosis.
There’s no doubt to the benefits of steroids. Honestly, it has greatly impacted my life. It played a major role in achieving my desired physique. People should learn not to abuse these substances and act like they are all bad.
Hey everyone, I’m looking for reliable sources for both steroids and protein supplements. I want to make sure I’m getting them from trustworthy sources. For protein supplements, I’m also interested in recommendations for reputable brands. Any suggestions or advice on where to find safe and high quality options?
Jeremyproteins is the person you want. He's the most knowledgeable about steroids and muscle-building supplements that I know.
that gyno doktor is happy he is getting crazy profits of those bodybuilders
Only thing wrong with this documentary is that it wasn't longer. Great work
you natty?
Great documentary & about time! The mad thing is people are so secretive about it even though it’s so obvious who’s taking it! People talk more openly about how much recreational drugs they take than they do steroids!
Nice video, really like the honesty of all involved and yet not slandering the users but showing that a dysmorphed image has led them down that dark path.
I remember reading about a study which had 4 control groups, 1 group trained with steroids, 1 trained without steroids, 1 group didn't do any training but were on steroids and the last group didn't train or didn't take any steroids. The people who took steroids and didn't train gained more muscle mass than the naturals who trained. It's probably insanely hard to give up steroids once you see the gains you can make in a short amount of time.
It can be done, but it’s not fun. I’d liken it to having nights out being the only one not drinking or going back to having sex with a condom etc etc
Steroids make hard work feel good.
@@KateWandlessuntil you can't work out hard anymore because your heart/liver/kidneys/joints are fuxked
that study was hilarious, but the results didn't account for gain in non-contractile tissue or mass, like fat or water weight. Taking PEDs without training doesn't help you get any muscle mass.
@@alubchickenyeah, correct it was gains in lean body mass which is everything except fat. And we know that steroids dramatically increase water retention, blood volume, and glycogen stores
I would say true muscle gain is likely equivocal between sedentary roiders and natural trainers
Good job on Thomas the first guy on recognizing his issues and making the right changes to continue life in a healthier manner and life.
Also the guy making PEDs I'm his kitchen wtf , so disturbing
I’ve been in medicine for awhile… once had a bodybuilder who tore his quads… they just rolled up his leg into a giant meatball looking thing in his groin…. It looked so painful and I heard later he was in hospital for awhile and he went through horrible withdrawals from the stuff he was on… to this day i don’t know what happened to him but I hope he’s okay
Withdrawals from steroids, k 🤣😂🙃😆
@CRCfail absolutely if you blast gear all year around for years and stop your gunna feel pretty fucked up lol
what do you think happensm when you quit cold turkey? you don't produce any testosterone anymore, because injecting testosterone (or most other androgenic hormones) surpresses your natural testosterone production.@@CRCfail
@@CRCfail just google anabolic / catabolic steroid withdrawal
Yeah ur levels are gonna tank hard@bluesk8crew
Great documentary and hats off to those providing the honesty within it. I’m now 36 and started training at around 21-22. In hindsight I was naive as to what was achievable natural, but as I have gotten older and more experienced (and stayed natural), I have realised two things:
1. I realise now that my physique is something pretty damn good for no juicey (and frankly would hold its own against a lot of the smaller roid users), and
B. I understand even less why anyone would just hop on gear so early on. That said, I also said no to class A drugs i nights out even when peers saw it as normal.
Keep lifting drug free people, you’ll be fit, healthy, feel good and you will achieve a great physique if you keep chipping away and believing in yourself. 💪🏽
What about lifting naturally but once a month you take wild party drugs XD
I remember several years ago heroin addiction destroyed my life, I suffered from severe depression and a mental disorder until I was recommended to psilocybin mushroom treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly I'm 8 years clean now. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms.
To be honest, mushrooms are one of the most amazing things on the planet and it is natural, they serve in many ways not only for mental related issues.
Can you help me with a reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. It is very hard to get a reliable source here in New Zealand. Really need!
Yes, Sporeville. I had the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD, and addiction... Mushrooms definitely made a huge difference to why I'm clean today.
Is he on Instagram?
Yes, he is, Sporeville.
The wonderful world of social media and influencers.
steroids have been a huge thing before social media
if you can cheat you cheat, if you can hide it you will cheat absolutely. Until the day when you cant hide and then its "legit" according to yourself and you ignore the risk.
@@lokelaufeyson9931 Reality checks always prevail, Nature couldn't care less about lies.
@@androwaydie4081 the worst part with roids is that its easy to become a time bomb after a few years and then you are screwed O.o but it can also be a self cleaning feature of nature. They cant get their own kiddies after a while, its too wack out of balance
Right, that's why Arnold Schwarzenegger and other bodybuilders in his day took roids.
as an American female who has struggled with anorexia, bulimia and body dysmorphia, i 100% relate to this story
Why the need to tell that you are American?
@@Frezri69it’s just to state the culture here is similar, I don’t think she meant much by it
its also about mood. T makes you feel like a warrior. thats just as addictive as the physical
I hope you are doing good and won this battle ❤️
@@matthew3136 bullying is an ugly part of evolution. its natural. you cant stop it. not really.
Fair play to this lad speaking so openly and warning youngsters of the dangers. Wish him the best.
Barbie is shamed as it promotes an unrealstic body idol. And then there is he man....
I think this might be a silent epidemic everywhere. I've seen guys at parties saying they need calf implants to match their body. (Already looks ripped and fit enough for any girl)
I said No Way you look perfect already! I got lightly shamed for saying that... "its his body (etc)."
Thanks Vice for this; BodyBuilding is entering a new era with the online fitness space growing an actual community and becoming an entertainment category on social media platforms; The extreme conditions that female and male bodybuilders put their bodies under is becoming the new norm, the evidence is there if you research the amount of fitness channels by novices being opened on youtube regularly. This just prove my idea that social media is going to drive a new modern craze like any other new fad or trend that we have seen in the past. This is a very big problem, women are going for the ripped look now and the influencers are not sharing the effects of doing so wether by steroid or not. To summarize, the fitness space is becoming a circus, the new trend is now TRT, ppl that do not need TRT are taking it. Low doses are becoming as popular as a common sport supplement.
those glands have put me off burgers for life! Kicking myself for watching this really
I work as a doctor in a steroid counseling and monitoring clinic called the Android Health Clinic in the Netherlands. It's actually the first and only clinic in the country, that focuses on (ex) steroid users or people who consider using them. It is wonderful to be able to help so many people that otherwise have no reliable source of information, monitoring or treatment of side effects. One should look beyond the stigma's, especially in the medical field!
Do you actually recommend the use of steroids for anyone who is not a pro body builder or are you all about harm reduction?
@@gardenguster5271 Testosterone cypionate, enanthate and undecanoate are used by women who struggle with sex body dysmorphia, or "gender dysphoria". Also by women who wants to increase their muscular mass, for us it's incredibly difficult to do it because biology is against it.
I will happily use it for a while to increase muscle mass and energy, but I would never risk the chance to become bald or to get hirsutism again.
I had to take certain contraception pills for so long (still do) that helped me recover from conditions inherited from my father's side (funny thing is I was the one with hirsutism, my brother didn't have a vellus before puberty) and acne, but that eventually caused me lipedema. Oh the hormonal horrors.
This is happening in India also. In my local gym i see trainers openly selling tren and deca.
I met a guy recently in a hospital, he used steroids and growth hormone for just 2 years since he was 16 to 18. When he was around 33 years old, doctors found protein in his urine and advised him to check his kidneys. He quickly forgot this though, until he was 39 and began strugling during physical activity. He thought it was the heart, but doctors quickly found out it was his kidneys failing. Today at 40 years old, he lives with donated kidney, a gift from his wife, takes a whole bunch of pills daily and came back to hospital for another surgery due to reoccurring urine system infection issue. For his kidney failure he blames his use of steroids and similar stuff. For growth hormone he said it particularly tends to induce and accelerate development of any disease you have genetic predisposition to.
this is bigger than people think. Thank you vice
I really loved watching this. I only wished that somebody would have also talked about SARMs, which are often considered pretty safe to take compared to steroids. Surely the potential side effects are not as dramatic as stuff like Tren, but the impact on your body is still massive. Messing up your hormonal balance will definitely cause you problems, unless you are already born with an imbalance that needs to be fixed. I am a skinny guy that always struggled in putting on muscle mass, despite notable dedication in training and diet. I am not gonna lie, I have been tempted many times by taking something, because I was always watching these shredded guys in the gym looking so good. Then I realized that what makes me feel good is to keep myself as healthy as possible. Starting to combine cardio with weight lifting brought me to a condition of stamina and endurance that I never had before. I went from running 1km to my first 20km in a few months. My sexual and mental health became as good as I could wish. Would I ever compromise all of that for bigger muscles? Never.
Sarms are just as bad as steroids lol, they’ll still shut you down, they’re still toxic for your organs. Don’t kid yourself lol
Uhm steroids are extremely safe and much safer than sarms which are very untested on humans and we don't really know the long term effects of them on the body like we do with aas and we know how to mitigate potential side effects and what to expect . We dont with sarms. Although they are weaker and less effective than aas they are way less studied and understood. Aas is not near as dangerous as people believe. They are bioidentical hormones we were born with .... 😂 and after 30-35 aas is actually good for you In many cases. Low testosterone and declining test is not healthy.
You couldn't put on weigh cause you DIDNT EAT enough. You haven't learnt enough of the athletic sciences and health sciences to figure it out lol all this time. There is no such thing as a hard gainer. Only people that can't eat enough . And don't know how to properly train, sleep and build muscle. Learn your nutrition and supplementation.
@@JLUX100 Sorry to disappoint but I do believe I know biology and science pretty well having a PhD in Molecular Biology. I have spent also lots of my free time learning about nutrition and supplementation, implementing and experimenting a lot of different regimens on myself. Last winter I pushed myself to eat 3200kcal a day, with high protein intake and whole food sources, and that much calories is a lot for somebody like me. I ended up gaining excessive body fat, my sleep quality worsened, my libido decreased. In the summertime, when I went down to 2200kcal a day, I felt better than ever. I was lean again and I liked myself way more. People who believe "you should eat more to get bigger" have no clues what genetics and metabolism are. Going against your own genetics will just lead you to get sick in the long term.
@@marcopannone1325 @marcopannone1325 lmfao because you don't have a clue what you're doing. If you did you wouldn't have gotten fat by adding 1000kcal extra per day for a bulk 😂😂😂 lmfao and what was your protein intake daily and carb intake? Ypu should have been slowly increasing your caloric surplus in 100kcal increments every few weeks or per month. 😂😂 I love how you use such a shallow anecdotal example as if it's proof to support your claims. And what else did you do have you been talking your blood glucose and what ate your hormone levels at ? All of this factors in to your sleep and how you feel. Lmfao not how muxh you eat. How often were you eating ? Eating two massive meals doesn't do the same thing to your metabolism that eating 5-7 times per day does. Eat every 3-4 to hours and your metabolism will be muxh faster and help ypu process and Utilize that extra food intake. Ypu have no clue and you've showed it with this reply about metabolisms, nutrition and supplementation or bodybuilding in general. Again, you cant gain muscle cause you don't k ow what you're doing therefore can't est enough of the nutrition you need consistently. Y0u dont understand biochemistry, kinesiology, nutrition and supplementation, endocrinology or pharmacology. LOL I love you trying to tell someone that's an ex national athlete rugby player and a bodybuilder of 14 years that he doesn't know. I've been learning this stuff and APPLYING it for more than twice the length you went to school. I eat 3600kcal a day when bulking and I'm not fat. Some bodybuilders eat 7, 8k per day and domt get fat. Everyone's body is slightly different and everyone's metabolism is ever changing . You have to build up your Metabolism. Not destroy it and your endocrine system. This leads to feeling and looking like garbage
One of the best videos on RUclips for Steroid awarness
Body dysmorphia is heartbreaking 😢
It's a real thing that's for sure.
Bodybuilding does that to you, deal with it everyday.
Just a note with gynecomastia: they are due to breast glandular tissue growing from Estrogen stimulation. Some male teenagers have them due to hormonal imbalances during puberty and this can resolve spontaneously but they can also have this surgery done to relieve their embarrassment. Another I have observed are obese individuals who slimmed down. Peripheral fat tissue also increases estrogen and even after they slim down, they find that their chest looks puffy around the nipples nonetheless.
this was a GREAT educational video! Very engaging.
No man should want to be like another, walk your own path, don’t be a follower or another man’s sidekick.!Be your own man!!!
No such thing. You're a produce of culture and society. Do something truly unique and they will crucify you
@@leigh7507 😂
Sorriest and weakest statement I’ve ever read in my life😆. Useless😭
This was a really good piece. Scary how many men feel they need to take steroids to meet societies expectations. I totally get it though.
This has nothing to do with society expectations. That’s an excuse. No one in the real world cares what you look like and if you’re a dedicated natural you’ll look better than 99% of the public anyways. So it’s just a narrative in a juicers head which doesn’t make it true.
I don't think they feel the need to meet societys expectations. Men like to be useful by nature which generally means being strong and in shape.
The reason so many ppl use steroids now is because they're effective.
They work and they absolutely do not kill people. Or they wouldnt be so popular.
@@HumanGorillaHormoneThey may not kill you but they can very easily ruin your life and significantly shorten it.
@@HumanGorillaHormone using roids doesn't mean being in shape though
@@BoomCowCast yeah, so can one wrong move on the highway.
thx for this important, informative and honest doc !
i have been going to the gym 4 years now and its shocking the amount of people you see who hop, go from being chubby to jacked in 6 months and then you never see again. really needs to better education on the damage and risks behind them. This social media world we live in leaves kids feeling like they have no choice.
They probably find a better gym to go to where people aren't looking at them and judging them eh...
It’s difficult not to want to try Roids. As much as people say “don’t compare yourself”, we all do compare ourselves to others in the gym. It’s videos like this thay reinstate the risks that help remind me to stay natty
This is sad and has worsened in the lasy few years. Thanx SM and gym-bro influencers
I'm nearly 64, been lifting since the age of 10. Have always been natural. Roids have always been about but these days its so much more open. I saw 2 young lads no more that 20 injecting in the locker room the other day. It seems social media has alot to answer for, for giving youngsters unrealistic expectations without using plus alot of youngsters want a good physique as quick as possible...
I'm 20. People from my school have taken it. Its a shame how much risk people take at such a young age being so far away from their natural potential. I think i'm bigger and stronger than a few of them being a natural lifter myself for 3 years. Its ridiculous that people consider juice within first years of training.
You are a wise man mate. I have 3 sons. They all lift, ages 22, 20 and 18. I say the same to them about roids. I do worry, especially with my youngest that the pressure on social media will make him do it. @@jackhasutooob
A little younger than you at 54. Started lifting when I was 14, so 40 years now, sometimes more seriously and sometimes less seriously but I’ve never taken anything stronger than a protein shake and vitamins. It is really tragic seeing young boys get pulled into these PEDs knowing that they are going to be a mess by the time they are 40. I’m a bit stiff and my joints don’t have as much movement as they used to but I’m stronger now at 54 than I’ve ever been through the slow accumulation of effort over decades.
keep grinding mate..@@xan6857
which city?
Relatable. I am an amateur gymnast, and extremely proud in my body and my looks. Regardless, the number of times I've spoken with people and asked for what I use, and after that if I want to get something to use, it's astounding.
I've trained for around 6 years now, and progressed slowly and methodically to the state i am now. I am relatively small, never the biggest in the room. Regardless, I am never taking anything to get bigger, my health is not worth a momentary ego boost and an increased body dismorphia.
Very human and kind interviewer
Its so sad what people go through to change the shell we are born into. Its a short trip in this life and by the end father time always has thr upper hand.
Having multiple brain surgeries in my mid 20s opend up my eyes how precious life is. Start the work on the inside, thats what's sustainable. Get to know yourself. Sit with yourself. Its the hardest but most rewarding action in life.
without meaning to take away the meaning of your point, body dysmorphia is a very real thing that hormone replacement and sometimes surgery can help with for some people
@@incars1000 surgery and hormone treatment should only be used in the most extreme of cases.
Can't change your height with it though, unless you're taking HGH at age 12 😅
I agree. But at the same time, seeking the approval of others is a normal part of being human and is evolutionarily adaptive.
@@NorthWestPvPlolrektnoob thanks, doctor.
Trained at various commercial gyms and the odd bodybuilding-focused gym in the UK and I've not seen many people that look juicy at all (especially at commercial gyms), and have never been offered steroids.
Same, I've trained 10+ years in different UK gyms and spotting obvious roid users is nowhere near as commonplace as the stats suggest. The sad fact is that most users are getting results that could be achieved naturally through effort and consistency, albeit more slowly. And they are getting younger and younger.
yeah but they peak harder after using it. Thats why you take it early to peak early.@@mildbill2554
Imagine doing gear and ruining your health to look like a natty lmao
Not all roid users look like bodybuilders. They are roid users with great genetics and hyper responsive to the gear. Most roid users dont even look good to the point you cant tell
1:38 I love this guy’s honesty 😂
I learned that Vice is owned by Disney.. weird
Isn't?
Innit?
That's why they made a video full of cartoons
Guess who owns Disney
@@TransKidsMafiamy unborn is a he she her him that identifies as a jelly fish
Whoever did the score for this (particularly during the surgery scene) deserves both an Oscar nomination, and a War Crimes Tribunal. Bravo, and yet, “Damn Dude…”. Well done, and umm - I would say keep up the good work, but I could have done with not seeing the patient ‘squish’ the gland, so, um - yuck, and thank you - for not being able to eat, or get through Halloween (No Candy!). Thanks, in all honesty for being as honest and open. Here’s to less surgery and more - ponies, pennies and/or peonies, maybe?
yooo very interesting vid, thanks for speadig awareness of this issue, my only concern was the lack of mask in the operation room, maybe should have worn it idk im not a doctor
Dave is an awesome lad. Hope he gets well. Wonderful human. ❤
Giving yourself injections is not good. I also work out taking Testosterone Enanthate, Deca, Winstrol and other stuff. If you go down this path there is no going back, women start liking you more than before, you have a constant desire for sex and you can always have sex, after sex. It becomes a bad spiral, women, sex drugs and so on dad.😈💜
wow a surgery is done with the patient not wearing a mask, with tv crew not wearing masks, looks promising
Big issue with steroids is that the police use them, and have no issue letting dealers make a killing.
In the UK?
I don't think so mate, have you not our coppers?
In the US sure. I fucking wish the UK police used roids, you'd honestly expect it given they don't even carry guns but nah. They're wet wipes man.
It's possible to get jacked while remaining natural. It might take a lot longer, and you might not end up at 150kg with 7% body fat, but you can still build to a decent size while staying lean, all while remaining healthy and keeping your balls intact. Have patience and avoid shortcuts when it comes to health and fitness.
Imo natural looks better. Getting so unreasonably big to a point where you’re face changes and you’re skin looks terrible. Inside and out everything’s getting enlarged. Don’t get me wrong smoke Em if you got ‘em but steroids are nothing to play with.
I like this guy i do gym never took steroids though i am not shredded like him however i must thank you this guy who talked openly even he knows he will come on camera.
Great documentary highlighting a growing problem amongst men. Wish it was an hour long.
High Society is the only series holding Vice together
Very good content. Must watch for any serious person thinking about steroids
People don’t want to take the slow grind but you end up better in the long run for it. Focus on the workout itself and not how you look and you’ll get way more out of it. Instead of worrying about why your chest/arms/whatever isn’t growing… you just focus on getting better at working out itself and then you suprise yourself with the gains
I spent the first 23 years of my life extremely obese then one day, I saw the wood chopping scene from Avenger's Age of Ultron and decided that's the body type I wanted. I lost over 100 lbs, I entered a weight room and haven't stopped working out. But, I never touched P.E.D.s or roids, or anything like that. I get my muscles from eating curry. Do I have the physique of Captain America? No, but I look like Rieko Ioane and that's good enough for me. Also, Chis Evans has begged guys not to replicate his physique in the Captain America movies because it's dangerous.
I still feel good, I look good when I walk around and the funniest thing is, that my college in university is jokingly known for being a deadlifting competition. All the guys are either fat-to-fit, lifelong daredevils, or ex-military, and we look as close to Jojo characters as we can in real life. So, when I meet people they know right away what major I'm in.