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I think the best way to describe Goku is that he is thoughtless in some ways, especially when it comes to a slice of life moments, but not when it comes to combat or strategy. Yes, he has proven throughout the series that he has made some pretty rash and not-so-thoughtful moves, but that doesn't make him dumb.
Goku can be reckless at times, and quite harsh in some things, he showed it more often in DBZ, GT and in some arcs in Super, but he is definitely not dumb, as many people saying in the internet. As for me, he is a great strategist in battle and behaves well as a master of martial arts. If you look at how he fights, he relies not only on his strength... But also on others, his friends mainly. Although his Saiyan blood and determination to fight others sometimes overcomes him. But not always.
because theres no serious situation there during the chill part of the buu saga (when goku was brought back) he was unable to tell if videl was a boy or girl
@@ghostslord-23Yup, Let go of Raditz tail when he's already familiar with people duping him to save their skins (Mercenary Tao) Thought Bubbles was King Kai despite being given clear instructions of who King Kai is Thought it was night time in outer space Needs Piccolo to tell him to remember what Trunks said Didn't take the heart virus medicine when his symptoms started showing and told no one Smacks his wife through a mountain Gives a Senzu Bean to Cell Didn't realize Gohan didn't like fighting and needs Piccolo to tell him this Had to ask Gohan whether Videl was a girl or not Didn't kill Majin Buu when he later states he could have Throws the Potara at Gohan instead of just teleporting and handing it to him, as he does with Vegeta Didn't rescue his Sons, Trunks not even Piccolo when Kid Buu destroyed the earth, instead he grabbed Dende, Mr. Satan and his dog Crushes and uses the Potara earrings when Kabito Kai provies replacements. He later regrets this and says Potara would have finished Buu Don't mind people saying they made him like that in DBS, they obviously never seen DBZ
@@MajinUltraEgo about the potara, he only did that for Vegeta because Gohan (somehow) didn’t catch the slow moving object and thus he got worried Vegeta would (somehow) not catch it as well lol
I never understood how people praise Vegeta so much for his “battle genius” when Goku has been ahead of the curve the entire time. He understands himself more than anyone else in the series and knows how to tap into higher levels of power because of that understanding. He also knows how to bring out the best in everyone he fights.
I think DBZA is the reason people think he's dumb and Super kinda made it canon. Another smart thing in my eyes at least was when while fighting Frieza on Namek. He was under water and created dual Kamehameha spheres knowing Frieza couldn't sense ki. He then sent one after the either to throw Frieza off and got some good hits on him. Still didn't really do shit then, but it was clever. Also the landmine and destructo disc thing in T.O.P against Jiren. I'd honestly say Goku has average intelligence for normal day to day stuff, but high intelligence when it comes to battle.
Goku isn't dumb or stupid. I'd say It's more like he's street smart or Battle Smart in this case. They made him worse over time in terms of common sense but when you fight him, you'll see where all those skill points lie.
I feel like the best version of goku is his GT version as he’s reached maturity to a full and shows that even though he gets his younger body he is still mature if not a little lacking in social skills
I always thought Goku was a savant genius when it comes to fighting, but he’s kind of clueless and doesn’t care about much else I also think he’s moral and cares about his friends and family, but he’s very naive at times when it comes to giving villains a chance, but I’ve always seen that as a part of his pure heart and belief that anyone can be redeemed But that’s not that ridiculous when so many of his friends are people who previously tried to kill him, and Vageta who also tried to kill him and actually killed several of his friends, and used to take pleasure in killing innocent people He even has hope that Kid Buu will be reincarnated as someone good, and he gets what he hoped for It’s important to remember that he might have grown up to be a monster, but he became a sweet kid after his grandpa dropped him on his head onto a rock. He genuinely might be as moral and strong as he is now because he has brain damage.
If goku didnt give cell the senzu bean cell would have taken gohan as a serious threat and would have killed him instead of toying and pushing him to ssj2
The thing about goku holding back against Vegeta. The time limit as you mentioned would get lowered, that means Goku wouldn't have enough time to teach the kids fusion dance since He'll either fight Buu when He's released since Vegeta didn't knock him out which means His time in the living world wouldn't have much left... Aka the earth is screw since no Gotenks due to Goku not teaching them fusion and Goku leaving much early, Gotenks was one of few factors that why Buu didn't destroy earth much earlier and Gave Gohan enough time to get his Potential unleashed. Not only that Buu and Babidi were hunting down Piccolo, Trunks and Goten and they were going cities one by one and killing everyone that lived in those cities until one of the three shows up and No Goku to stall Buu and Goku not stalling buu means Babidi lives alot longer since Goku's advice for Buu lead to Buu killing the wizard. Dabura. Even if Vegeta was beaten the demon king still would've been there to collect energy for buu and from what we saw Gohan vs Dabura rematch nearly happened but that didn't happen because Goku vs Majin Vegeta had collected enough energy for Buu's release. I assume it'll do the same for Gohan and Dabura rematch even if Goku and Vegeta fight ended early the energy still would've been big with how strong they are especially ssj3 goku But give this comment a grain of salt. I was mostly writing on what i remember in the Buu saga so there could many holes in my argument.
This you said about Gohan in the Cell saga: I believe that was poor writing. I know the Super Saiyajin 2 transformation was an awesome scene, but Gohan saying that he doesn't like to fight doesn't make any sense. Just as you said, Goku saw him fighting against the saiyajins, the freeza force, and even trained with him, for 4 years, in total. I'm fine with it, but I still think it was poor writing. And yeah, Super made him dumb, and I hate that.
Gohan never liked to fight, he only fought to protect the earth. Goku didn't understand that and assumed Gohan likes to fight like he does. That's where the problem was, Goku and Gohan view fighting differently.
He was afraid of the saiyans at first, but didn't complain and even fought Vegeta without hesitating. The same in the Freeza saga, where Gohan was even more courageous, attacking Dodoria and even Freeza sometimes. He also trained with Goku and Piccolo for 3 years, and another extra year with Goku in the chamber. Only against Cell he brought up that he "doesn't like fighting". That's what I call poor writing, even though Toriyama is my favorite author of all time and Dragon Ball is my favorite mangá and anime of all time
@@matheusrocha1184 He wasn't really complaining about having to fight. He was struggling to use his rage to unlock SSJ2. He only said he didn't like to fight once, the rest of his dialogue is about not being able to use his anger.
6:48 because he was respecting Vegeta's pride and honour Vegeta wanted to fight him and Goku fought so that Vegeta wouldn't do anything stupid anymore If Goku used SSJ3 and smashed Geetz Then Vegeta would be completely broken from the inside Goku might be selfish but he also think about others pride and honour too
He's got good fighting intelligence (I disagree with him regarding Cell) and DBZ had him more intelligent than his DBS counterpart at least in the anime. I don't think he's dumb but he is not exactly the most book smart person
7:25 I don't think SSJ 3 Goku could have vapourised Fatty buu that easy remember Goku wasn't even using SSJ 3's 50% while fighting Buu he knew he couldn't hold Buu in SSJ 2 thus he used SSJ3 to hold him long enough for trunks to retrieve the radar If he tried a 60% of SSJ 3's raw power in to Kamehame ha to blow up buu he would have instantly burn out his living world time he wanted that he didn't wanted to teach fusion as Goku saw in the otherworld that How strong the fusion dance can be Thus he knew goten and trunks trained and then fused he could defeat him thus he didn't killed fatty Maybe to you and other it was a dumb move but to be Goku just trying help in a different way Goku himself told he shouldn't be here at first place What if Goku never came to earth and Buu got revived ? Everybody would get cooked But thanks to Goku everybody is fine and Vegeta gone through a tremendous character growth
@@MajinUltraEgoi’ll give you the most recent example: in dragon ball super: super hero, goku questions vegetas approach to training. vegeta is meditating, training his mind. and goku acts ignorant towards it until both whis and vegeta explain. a method of training he has already learned.
I aknowledge DB Super Goku got a lot of criticism but I think we should give Goku a break, After all he was never the smartest person because he grew up in the middle of nowhere and the only other person he saw was Grandpa Gohan until he met bulma for the first time who was the first girl he ever saw, This man was out here patting women on their you know what's just to confirm that they were actually girls, he even did the same thing to his wife chi chi, He even though a bride was something to eat, Goku was "dumb" long before DB Super 🤷
I never thought of Goku as dumb while not educated but never dumb. When Super happened though Goku became an idiot. Super had no manga or any planning beforehand & with a new audience they focused on comedy & exaggeration as opposed to story & character. This does make believing that Goku in Super is the same one from after DBZ though
I never really thought of Goku as dumb, until Super. While there are still smart moments there, Goku is without a doubt at his dumbest there. I really wish they maintained his intelligence level from dbz cause this dumbed-down version makes me wanna hate him. I hope the Goku we all know and love will return in Daima. He's got to since Akira Toriyama was heavily involved, not to mention Stephanie Nadolny is voicing him as a kid again in the dub.
z's goku is different from the manga, the anime especially the dub had a ton of changes on his character (they made him superman when he was more like gon) the daima version will prob resemble super and og more than it will z
-The first person to realize that Kami would die if Piccolo did -Figured out how to overcome his tail weakness on his own -Figured out how to get the most out of the Super Saiyan transformation BUT -Still thinks Monaka is the strongest fighter in the universe -Jumped back into a fight with Goku Black with no plan after losing twice -Chose Frieza as the last teammate for the ToP despite knowing how dangerous and irredeemable his is Sorry but despite having moments of brilliance, Goku is still dumb as hell
@@kiritoswords6479 yeah, he said that because he made the promise as a preteen. when he grew up Chichi told him and he knew what it was by the time of Z. no way Goku had sex and didn't even know what a wife was or, another Super example, knows what a kiss is.
Yes Goku is dumb when it comes to basic everyday life considering he never went to school and lived in the woods most his life (he’s basically a man child) but when it comes to fighting he’s a genius
In the manga yes he is very dumb but the anime filler made him look smarter but at most he is bellow average iq the decisions he has made no matter the moral standpoint you look at them are dumb asf like the cell senzu bean and living villains alive/helping them (giving ki to frieza)
Do you think Goku is dumb? Let me know what you think and also Sparking Zero is coming out today! I have a lot of plans for Sparking Zero and Dragon ball Daima when they come out as well as some other projects like a What if story and dbz vs abridged comparison. Excited for this month!
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We were talking about Stupid Super Goku
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I think the best way to describe Goku is that he is thoughtless in some ways, especially when it comes to a slice of life moments, but not when it comes to combat or strategy. Yes, he has proven throughout the series that he has made some pretty rash and not-so-thoughtful moves, but that doesn't make him dumb.
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Goku can be reckless at times, and quite harsh in some things, he showed it more often in DBZ, GT and in some arcs in Super, but he is definitely not dumb, as many people saying in the internet. As for me, he is a great strategist in battle and behaves well as a master of martial arts. If you look at how he fights, he relies not only on his strength... But also on others, his friends mainly. Although his Saiyan blood and determination to fight others sometimes overcomes him. But not always.
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Nobody believed goku was that dumb in Z. The point is that they turned up his naivety to 100 in super which is where everyone's problem lies
because theres no serious situation there
during the chill part of the buu saga (when goku was brought back) he was unable to tell if videl was a boy or girl
@@ghostslord-23Yup, Let go of Raditz tail when he's already familiar with people duping him to save their skins (Mercenary Tao)
Thought Bubbles was King Kai despite being given clear instructions of who King Kai is
Thought it was night time in outer space
Needs Piccolo to tell him to remember what Trunks said
Didn't take the heart virus medicine when his symptoms started showing and told no one
Smacks his wife through a mountain
Gives a Senzu Bean to Cell
Didn't realize Gohan didn't like fighting and needs Piccolo to tell him this
Had to ask Gohan whether Videl was a girl or not
Didn't kill Majin Buu when he later states he could have
Throws the Potara at Gohan instead of just teleporting and handing it to him, as he does with Vegeta
Didn't rescue his Sons, Trunks not even Piccolo when Kid Buu destroyed the earth, instead he grabbed Dende, Mr. Satan and his dog
Crushes and uses the Potara earrings when Kabito Kai provies replacements. He later regrets this and says Potara would have finished Buu
Don't mind people saying they made him like that in DBS, they obviously never seen DBZ
@@MajinUltraEgo about the potara, he only did that for Vegeta because Gohan (somehow) didn’t catch the slow moving object and thus he got worried Vegeta would (somehow) not catch it as well lol
@@daniiii888good point but Gohan didn't get to practice playing Baseball with Goku growing up
@@MajinUltraEgofinally someone who realizes that Goku was always dumb before DBS its just The Sequel show increased his Stupidity by like 50X
I never understood how people praise Vegeta so much for his “battle genius” when Goku has been ahead of the curve the entire time.
He understands himself more than anyone else in the series and knows how to tap into higher levels of power because of that understanding.
He also knows how to bring out the best in everyone he fights.
i think it's more so to do with there different battle intelligence approaches
I think DBZA is the reason people think he's dumb and Super kinda made it canon.
Another smart thing in my eyes at least was when while fighting Frieza on Namek. He was under water and created dual Kamehameha spheres knowing Frieza couldn't sense ki.
He then sent one after the either to throw Frieza off and got some good hits on him. Still didn't really do shit then, but it was clever.
Also the landmine and destructo disc thing in T.O.P against Jiren. I'd honestly say Goku has average intelligence for normal day to day stuff, but high intelligence when it comes to battle.
Super isn't canon and that is one of the biggest examples of it.
@@biohazardbinhow so??
@@StevenJones851 Probably going baased off "it's not in the original Dragon Ball manga" standard
@@AngeVNs that seems dumb
Goku isn't dumb or stupid.
I'd say It's more like he's street smart or Battle Smart in this case.
They made him worse over time in terms of common sense but when you fight him, you'll see where all those skill points lie.
I feel like the best version of goku is his GT version as he’s reached maturity to a full and shows that even though he gets his younger body he is still mature if not a little lacking in social skills
I appreciate you trying to explain the fact that Goku is uncultured. I respect that.
Apparently the Goku Pan line was Goku asking where Pan is not that he didn't know who she is.
No, he simply forgot
I always thought Goku was a savant genius when it comes to fighting, but he’s kind of clueless and doesn’t care about much else
I also think he’s moral and cares about his friends and family, but he’s very naive at times when it comes to giving villains a chance, but I’ve always seen that as a part of his pure heart and belief that anyone can be redeemed
But that’s not that ridiculous when so many of his friends are people who previously tried to kill him, and Vageta who also tried to kill him and actually killed several of his friends, and used to take pleasure in killing innocent people
He even has hope that Kid Buu will be reincarnated as someone good, and he gets what he hoped for
It’s important to remember that he might have grown up to be a monster, but he became a sweet kid after his grandpa dropped him on his head onto a rock. He genuinely might be as moral and strong as he is now because he has brain damage.
If goku didnt give cell the senzu bean cell would have taken gohan as a serious threat and would have killed him instead of toying and pushing him to ssj2
Goku has massive battle IQ compared to normal IQ at points
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He's just a silly goofy guy but I wouldn't call him dumb
Exactly lol
The thing about goku holding back against Vegeta.
The time limit as you mentioned would get lowered, that means Goku wouldn't have enough time to teach the kids fusion dance since He'll either fight Buu when He's released since Vegeta didn't knock him out which means His time in the living world wouldn't have much left... Aka the earth is screw since no Gotenks due to Goku not teaching them fusion and Goku leaving much early, Gotenks was one of few factors that why Buu didn't destroy earth much earlier and Gave Gohan enough time to get his Potential unleashed. Not only that Buu and Babidi were hunting down Piccolo, Trunks and Goten and they were going cities one by one and killing everyone that lived in those cities until one of the three shows up and No Goku to stall Buu and Goku not stalling buu means Babidi lives alot longer since Goku's advice for Buu lead to Buu killing the wizard.
Dabura. Even if Vegeta was beaten the demon king still would've been there to collect energy for buu and from what we saw Gohan vs Dabura rematch nearly happened but that didn't happen because Goku vs Majin Vegeta had collected enough energy for Buu's release. I assume it'll do the same for Gohan and Dabura rematch even if Goku and Vegeta fight ended early the energy still would've been big with how strong they are especially ssj3 goku
But give this comment a grain of salt. I was mostly writing on what i remember in the Buu saga so there could many holes in my argument.
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This you said about Gohan in the Cell saga: I believe that was poor writing. I know the Super Saiyajin 2 transformation was an awesome scene, but Gohan saying that he doesn't like to fight doesn't make any sense. Just as you said, Goku saw him fighting against the saiyajins, the freeza force, and even trained with him, for 4 years, in total. I'm fine with it, but I still think it was poor writing. And yeah, Super made him dumb, and I hate that.
Gohan never liked to fight, he only fought to protect the earth. Goku didn't understand that and assumed Gohan likes to fight like he does. That's where the problem was, Goku and Gohan view fighting differently.
Yeah, but it was a fight to save the world, and Gohan has already fought to save the world before and didn't complain
He was afraid of the saiyans at first, but didn't complain and even fought Vegeta without hesitating. The same in the Freeza saga, where Gohan was even more courageous, attacking Dodoria and even Freeza sometimes. He also trained with Goku and Piccolo for 3 years, and another extra year with Goku in the chamber. Only against Cell he brought up that he "doesn't like fighting". That's what I call poor writing, even though Toriyama is my favorite author of all time and Dragon Ball is my favorite mangá and anime of all time
@@matheusrocha1184 He wasn't really complaining about having to fight. He was struggling to use his rage to unlock SSJ2. He only said he didn't like to fight once, the rest of his dialogue is about not being able to use his anger.
6:48 because he was respecting Vegeta's pride and honour
Vegeta wanted to fight him and Goku fought so that Vegeta wouldn't do anything stupid anymore
If Goku used SSJ3 and smashed Geetz
Then Vegeta would be completely broken from the inside
Goku might be selfish but he also think about others pride and honour too
If that episode where he couldn't tell Beerus was not Monaka is not filler there's no defending him
Goku is as smart as naurto
NO BRO THAT IS NOT THE CASE 😭😭😭
He's got good fighting intelligence (I disagree with him regarding Cell) and DBZ had him more intelligent than his DBS counterpart at least in the anime. I don't think he's dumb but he is not exactly the most book smart person
For sure
7:25 I don't think SSJ 3 Goku could have vapourised Fatty buu that easy remember
Goku wasn't even using SSJ 3's 50% while fighting Buu he knew he couldn't hold Buu in SSJ 2 thus he used SSJ3 to hold him long enough for trunks to retrieve the radar
If he tried a 60% of SSJ 3's raw power in to Kamehame ha to blow up buu he would have instantly burn out his living world time he wanted that he didn't wanted to teach fusion as Goku saw in the otherworld that How strong the fusion dance can be
Thus he knew goten and trunks trained and then fused he could defeat him thus he didn't killed fatty
Maybe to you and other it was a dumb move but to be Goku just trying help in a different way
Goku himself told he shouldn't be here at first place
What if Goku never came to earth and Buu got revived ?
Everybody would get cooked
But thanks to Goku everybody is fine and Vegeta gone through a tremendous character growth
Super Goku is
i agreed with u until u said goku giving cell a senzu was not dumb
I believe the Goku in Super is not the Goku that we all grew up with and a lot of stuff that Goku learned, he forgets and relearns again in Super.
Like what?
@@sincere0727 everybody who says that can never give examples 🤣🤣🤣 it's literally a false narrative because they are mad at Dragon Ball Super
@@MajinUltraEgoi’ll give you the most recent example:
in dragon ball super: super hero, goku questions vegetas approach to training. vegeta is meditating, training his mind. and goku acts ignorant towards it until both whis and vegeta explain. a method of training he has already learned.
@@MajinUltraEgo bro's been reaaaal silent since evidence dropped.
@@aquamillo he learned meditation with Kami. so he knew how to meditate since Ball. not only that but his training on Yardrat required meditation too.
I aknowledge DB Super Goku got a lot of criticism but I think we should give Goku a break, After all he was never the smartest person because he grew up in the middle of nowhere and the only other person he saw was Grandpa Gohan until he met bulma for the first time who was the first girl he ever saw, This man was out here patting women on their you know what's just to confirm that they were actually girls, he even did the same thing to his wife chi chi, He even though a bride was something to eat, Goku was "dumb" long before DB Super 🤷
I never thought of Goku as dumb while not educated but never dumb. When Super happened though Goku became an idiot. Super had no manga or any planning beforehand & with a new audience they focused on comedy & exaggeration as opposed to story & character. This does make believing that Goku in Super is the same one from after DBZ though
Blame team four star. They ruin dbz. They flander characters to extreme
Blame the fans, they just take things out of Context and forget about that DBZA is a abridged series, not the main series.
I never really thought of Goku as dumb, until Super. While there are still smart moments there, Goku is without a doubt at his dumbest there. I really wish they maintained his intelligence level from dbz cause this dumbed-down version makes me wanna hate him. I hope the Goku we all know and love will return in Daima. He's got to since Akira Toriyama was heavily involved, not to mention Stephanie Nadolny is voicing him as a kid again in the dub.
z's goku is different from the manga, the anime especially the dub had a ton of changes on his character (they made him superman when he was more like gon) the daima version will prob resemble super and og more than it will z
-The first person to realize that Kami would die if Piccolo did
-Figured out how to overcome his tail weakness on his own
-Figured out how to get the most out of the Super Saiyan transformation
BUT
-Still thinks Monaka is the strongest fighter in the universe
-Jumped back into a fight with Goku Black with no plan after losing twice
-Chose Frieza as the last teammate for the ToP despite knowing how dangerous and irredeemable his is
Sorry but despite having moments of brilliance, Goku is still dumb as hell
Everything you said happened in Super... See why I think Dragon Ball Super was the worst thing that ever happened to the franchise?
@@matheusrocha1184in Dragon Ball, Goku says that he thought marriage was a type of food. He agreed to marry Chi Chi without knowing what that meant.
@@kiritoswords6479 Because he grew in the mountains and had no common sense. The guy literally says that in the video lol
@@kiritoswords6479 yeah, he said that because he made the promise as a preteen. when he grew up Chichi told him and he knew what it was by the time of Z. no way Goku had sex and didn't even know what a wife was or, another Super example, knows what a kiss is.
@@matheusrocha1184The poor boy wasn't dumb but obviously he didn't know marriage was, he never had formal education.
Yes Goku is dumb when it comes to basic everyday life considering he never went to school and lived in the woods most his life (he’s basically a man child) but when it comes to fighting he’s a genius
Yes
In the manga yes he is very dumb but the anime filler made him look smarter but at most he is bellow average iq the decisions he has made no matter the moral standpoint you look at them are dumb asf like the cell senzu bean and living villains alive/helping them (giving ki to frieza)
What about Usagi is a dumb?
I’m of the belief that Goku is an idiot savant who loves to eat 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
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Im fixing that going forward
@@KeyReviewsOfficial otherwise A+
I hate the pfp you use