How Deadly Are The Van Allen Radiation Belts?

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  • Опубликовано: 24 июл 2020
  • The radiation belts around the Earth were discovered by James Van Allen in the late 1950's using data from the earliest US satellites, and very quickly he concluded that the radiation levels were high enough to cause concern for human spaceflight. The belts have been well studied, but they're still not perfectly understood, for example the source of the low frequency radio waves that clear out the slot region between the inner and outer belts.
    Using models of the belts and radiation analysis tools we show just how much radiation crew would be exposed to when flying through the belts and show that there are ways to reduce the exposure to safe levels.
    The modelling of the exposure and dose levels uses ESA's Space ENVironment Information System
    www.spenvis.oma.be/
    Some clips created with Universe Sandbox
    universesandbox.com/"
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  • @JoakimKanon
    @JoakimKanon 3 года назад +1387

    His name was Van Allen? What a coincidence, just like the belts!

    • @mesonparticle
      @mesonparticle 3 года назад +15

      Joakim Kanon Haha!! 😂❤️

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix 3 года назад +36

      Just too big a coincidence I think!

    • @WetaMantis
      @WetaMantis 3 года назад +6

      🤔

    • @AlanW
      @AlanW 3 года назад +79

      They changed his name after he discovered them. His original name was Jerry Dorsey.

    • @arcaneminded
      @arcaneminded 3 года назад +68

      The obvious answer here is that he was responsible for putting them there in the first place. Why else would they have the same name? I looked up his wiki page and you don't even need to look at anything other than the contents list because right there it says world war II. This is likely the same WW2 that dropped those atomic bombs... which do what? Yeah you guessed it also put out radiation. His initials are JVA: joint venture agreement.
      *Given this evidence I can only conclude that the radiation was a joint venture agreement between the US government and nuclear power plants to dump atomic landmines into space to protect us from aliens.*

  • @Krzysztof_z_Bagien
    @Krzysztof_z_Bagien 3 года назад +672

    While flying through Van Allen belts, the most important thing is of course avoiding collision with the buckles.

    • @jerrymiller276
      @jerrymiller276 3 года назад +43

      Latest scientific discovery: Van Allen belt buckles. You, sir, are on the cutting edge of science jokery.

    • @earthlingjohn
      @earthlingjohn 3 года назад +9

      @@javaman4584 perfect mission for some enterprising hacker to photoshop suspenders on every image of Mr. Van Allen. ;-)

    • @EduardoEscarez
      @EduardoEscarez 3 года назад +7

      Don't let the truthers figure out this 😂

    • @jerrymiller276
      @jerrymiller276 3 года назад +8

      @@javaman4584 Somehow Van Allen suspenders or Van Allen braces just don't have the same cachet. However, since there are two of them, perhaps it should be suspenders AND belt.

    • @darylcarpenter4649
      @darylcarpenter4649 3 года назад +6

      They're more like cummerbunds.

  • @avecas
    @avecas 3 года назад +1024

    Everybody dies after minutes...a very large number of minutes.

    • @o1ecypher
      @o1ecypher 3 года назад +13

      about 28 thousand days

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 3 года назад +9

      It's usually implied that if your lifespan is measured in minutes, it'll be less then 2 hours.

    • @Codysdab
      @Codysdab 3 года назад +16

      @@Edax_Royeaux usually, but not in this case.

    • @thanksfernuthin
      @thanksfernuthin 3 года назад +25

      Actually... the entire universe will die in nanoseconds.

    • @jjeherrera
      @jjeherrera 3 года назад +17

      Little girl: "Am I going to die?"
      Doc Martin: "Everybody will die, but not today." :-D

  • @override7486
    @override7486 3 года назад +413

    "I guess, you can sit and watch Chernobyl" LOL

    • @diesistkeinname795
      @diesistkeinname795 3 года назад +25

      "3.6 rad, not bad"

    • @raheemabdul1066
      @raheemabdul1066 3 года назад +3

      @@diesistkeinname795
      Double it as you'll need to come back through the belt.

    • @julese7790
      @julese7790 3 года назад +2

      OMG that ... I spilled all my water. * sit onto Elephant's foot watching Scott Manley talking about Van Allen Belts *

    • @vladimirdyuzhev
      @vladimirdyuzhev 3 года назад +2

      Not the show one should learn about radiation from.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 года назад

      @@julese7790 Hopefully the plastic kind, not the hot kind.

  • @elongatedmuskrat2690
    @elongatedmuskrat2690 3 года назад +359

    That was THE most sinister "fly safe" I've ever heard

    • @mesonparticle
      @mesonparticle 3 года назад +4

      I had exactly the same thought! 😳🤔

    • @-danR
      @-danR 3 года назад +12

      But the most enthusiastic ever "Hello! it's Scott Manley here! and I want to talk to you today about..."
      (What?!! the most famous p0rnstar in history? FasterThanLightTravel proved and demonstrated?! Elon Musk unmasked as an alien???)
      ...Van Allen belts!!"

    • @ThomasPlaysTheGames
      @ThomasPlaysTheGames 3 года назад +6

      Fly Safe (this is a threat)

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 года назад +2

      Seemed more concerned than menacing.

    • @Three_Random_Words
      @Three_Random_Words 3 года назад

      May I join this Karen thread? lol

  • @zolikoff
    @zolikoff 3 года назад +591

    Radiation: Something very few people really understand, but nearly everyone is deathly afraid of it because of how popular media describes it.

    • @spetsnatzlegion3366
      @spetsnatzlegion3366 3 года назад +135

      It’s often barely even deadly, or even a problem
      Mad scientist: ahahahaha, you will never survive the power of my ALPHA RADIATION GUN! PREPARE TO DIE!
      Hero: *holds up sheet of paper*
      Mad scientist: *starts screaming as his high-power alpha emitter does nothing*

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 3 года назад +59

      Do you prefer the inverse when people were so unafraid of radiation that they put radium in chocolate?

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 3 года назад +93

      @@Edax_Royeaux We had that whole "radiation is good for you and cures all illnesses" bullshit, then we got the "OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE FROM FLASHLIGHTS" bullshit, I hope we land in the middle in the end.

    • @kendokaaa
      @kendokaaa 3 года назад +62

      And a lot of them are afraid of the wrong things, like those who think frequency is what kills. You then have to explain to them that visible light is a lot higher frequency than 5G

    • @FumbleSquid
      @FumbleSquid 3 года назад +12

      @@spetsnatzlegion3366 A neutron gun and/or gamma gun however, that'd be pretty terrifying. Criticality is scary stuff.

  • @TheTadewoosh
    @TheTadewoosh 3 года назад +359

    Todays "fly safe!" held a lot more power considering the subject. Great content as usual mr. Manley!

    • @mikeg9b
      @mikeg9b 3 года назад +4

      I was about to mention the ominous tone in his voice.

    • @forrestgraves4022
      @forrestgraves4022 3 года назад +8

      "Fly safe"...or glow in the dark.

    • @tachiroakisu5128
      @tachiroakisu5128 3 года назад

      Seconded

    • @Benoit-Pierre
      @Benoit-Pierre 3 года назад +1

      And his eyes telling « did not forgot it this time »

    • @kangirigungi
      @kangirigungi 3 года назад +2

      Add more boosters, check the staging, plan your trajectory, and fly safe.

  • @mgcamp85
    @mgcamp85 3 года назад +152

    The principals of radiation safety: Time, Distance and Shielding.

    • @SocialDownclimber
      @SocialDownclimber 3 года назад +15

      Also awareness. If you don't know where the source is, you are going to have a bad time.

    • @Jona69
      @Jona69 3 года назад +7

      And lead underwear.

    • @-danR
      @-danR 3 года назад +2

      Cockroaches: "what's radiation?"

    • @vikkimcdonough6153
      @vikkimcdonough6153 3 года назад +7

      @@Jona69 That would fall under "shielding".

    • @vikkimcdonough6153
      @vikkimcdonough6153 3 года назад +2

      And being a species that's really good at DNA repair.

  • @karlzen86
    @karlzen86 3 года назад +242

    According to "Moon Hoaxers", Van Allen belt is the most deadliest place in the whole universe.

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  3 года назад +229

      It is pretty deadly if you’re naked

    • @logitech4873
      @logitech4873 3 года назад +89

      @@scottmanley But then again, so is the ocean

    • @my3dviews
      @my3dviews 3 года назад +194

      Actually the Earth is the most deadly place in the Universe. Every person who ever lived has died on the Earth.

    • @LordFalconsword
      @LordFalconsword 3 года назад +73

      @@my3dviews Except a few Russian cosmonauts we won't talk about. ;)

    • @my3dviews
      @my3dviews 3 года назад +19

      @@LordFalconsword I think that they died while re-entering the atmosphere, but I could be wrong.

  • @EtzEchad
    @EtzEchad 3 года назад +88

    Exploder One? That was far from the first American exploder! :)

    • @JohnWilliamNowak
      @JohnWilliamNowak 3 года назад +5

      Obviously, Scott's next project is a crossover with Jive Turkey discussing the Explorer, a British submarine with experimental peroxide motors. Yes, they called her the Exploder.

    • @medicone5673
      @medicone5673 3 года назад +8

      I wonder if Exploder 1 was related to Microsoft’s Internet Exploder?

  • @jackvernian7779
    @jackvernian7779 3 года назад +87

    "So if you add a few meters of aluminium..." :D dying of laughter

    • @-danR
      @-danR 3 года назад +9

      especially the face-palm

    • @RichardCasto
      @RichardCasto 3 года назад +11

      My prediction is that verbal error and that he says astronauts would die relatively quickly (albeit with zero protection) will be used as evidence by conspiracy theorists. They will ignore the rest of the video.

    • @jackvernian7779
      @jackvernian7779 3 года назад +1

      @@RichardCasto At that point they are being disingenuous.

    • @jackvernian7779
      @jackvernian7779 3 года назад +1

      @Sonnenrad I like to consider people in their better light

    • @thePronto
      @thePronto 3 года назад +2

      With a few meters of aluminum, the interior of Apollo was the size of a sardine can.

  • @Finallybianca
    @Finallybianca 3 года назад +40

    One of my uncles worked with Dr Van Allen. Used to go and visit him at the University as a little kid without realizing how important Dr Van Allen was to the space Race.

  • @prosoto
    @prosoto 3 года назад +60

    8:47
    "That is unshielded. No space suit so they're gonna die even faster just due to asphyxiation."
    Thanks Scott. This is the top quality scientific content I subscribe for 😂

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 3 года назад +3

      That's about as funny as a fart in a spacesuit.

    • @iamtherealzombie
      @iamtherealzombie 3 года назад +6

      Reminds me of the bit from "What If?" where Randall Munroe talks about people swimming in a research facility's spent nuclear fuel pool dying in a matter of seconds, from the bullets fired by the guards.

  • @domenicobarillari2046
    @domenicobarillari2046 Год назад +6

    Scott
    Radiation physicist here: just spotted this item of yours> Fantastic job! Your reputation for accuracy is well earned and I would have no compunctions about sending any of my students here for an entertaining piece of scientific history. Many thanks for your presence on the web. Domenico

    • @BeerRepublic
      @BeerRepublic Год назад

      Radiation physicist is only a medical technician, not proper nuclear physicist. Lol

    • @domenicobarillari2046
      @domenicobarillari2046 Год назад +3

      @@BeerRepublic I am a particle physicist who now does a lot of simulation of radiation fields in detector design for industry and academia - did not want to complicate the discusion for the lay person...lol..lol.

    • @jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951
      @jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951 29 дней назад

      Have you ever had a look at what astrophysicist Jarrah White published about the Van Allen belts and the rate of radiation the Apollo astronauts must have gone through (calculated from official Van Allen data model AE8/AP8) and concluded that they could not have gone through?

    • @domenicobarillari2046
      @domenicobarillari2046 28 дней назад

      @@jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951 Good God! that fellow again. There is someone who needn't have bothered trying so hard for his sad degrees. Sorry for the ad hominum approach, but this one is just dying for attention and should seek psychiatric help. Otherwise, back in the 1980's, while teaching a radiation effects course for graduate nuclear people, this would be the type of question I might post on an exam to see what the class would come up with - both for quiescent and active Sun phases. It is particularly important to distinguish electron from proton contributions, as we as build-up effect from the cabin shell material (aluminum alloy)
      best regards, DKB

    • @jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951
      @jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951 28 дней назад

      @@domenicobarillari2046 But still, I find it hard to believe that Apollo moon landing and coming back worked on the first attempt. Even Gus Grissom said (shortly before he died in that suspicious fire) that Apollo needs at least 10 more years of development. Further there are whistleblowers who say that the moon movies were filmed in an airforce base hangar.

  • @kaus1839
    @kaus1839 3 года назад +19

    As someone who has worked in high-energy physics... I appreciate how much complexity and reasonable averaging/assumption had to go in to this!

  • @brandonburr4900
    @brandonburr4900 3 года назад +12

    Van Allen has been and always will be a local celebrity for his achievements at the University of Iowa. An emeritus professor for many years with many things named after him including a school. Many instruments have been designed and traveling out in space to this day with his and his students help😀

  • @fossar_
    @fossar_ 2 года назад +7

    My physics teacher asked us to turn up for a lesson with conspiracy theories about the moon landings and I found these belts but never actually spent time reading about, well, exactly the title of this video. Nice to finally get it answered after quite a few years now

  • @THX..1138
    @THX..1138 3 года назад +75

    What's funny is i know someone who claims both we didn't go to the Moon and the Earth is flat. He told me the Apollo astronauts would have been killed by Van Allen Belt radiation. I asked him why doesn't Van Allen Belt radiation kill the giant space turtle?

    • @paulbennett4548
      @paulbennett4548 3 года назад +17

      Because the Elephants are between the turtle and the flat earth, hence shielding him. :o)

    • @JohnWilliamNowak
      @JohnWilliamNowak 3 года назад +3

      Aren't turtles unusually resistant to radiation? I thought that was one of the reasons the Soviets sent them around the Moon. Or am I thinking of high Gs during a ballistic reentry from cislunar space?

    • @thePronto
      @thePronto 3 года назад +3

      Not sure how a flerfer who believed in space travel could rationalize those two beliefs.

    • @THX..1138
      @THX..1138 3 года назад +3

      @@JohnWilliamNowak Clearly cosmic space turtles and their elephant companions are very radiation resistant :)

    • @molybdaen11
      @molybdaen11 3 года назад +3

      Everybody knows that the magnetic field of the discworld shield the whole turtle. Thats why she take it with her.

  • @caonabo2
    @caonabo2 3 года назад +57

    Thank you for the info Scott! I'll try to avoid the Van Allen belts if I ever get to Space to study the Scott Manley asteroid!👍👍👍

  • @swanee9414
    @swanee9414 4 месяца назад +2

    In the 1990s I lived in Iowa City (U. of Iowa where James Van Allen taught) I got to know professor Van Allen as an acquaintance in the physics department there. One day there was a radio show out of Los Angeles that was discussing the possibility or impossibility of astronauts having landed on the moon, and part of the discussion had to do with their assumption that astronauts could never have survived moving through the Van Allen Radiation Belts. I knew professor Van Allen well enough to call him, which I did and put the radio show in contact with him. Professor Van Allen was a very kind man, and ever the patient professor, he dispelled the notion that people could not pass through the belts. According to him, a person might get the equivalent of a very mild sunburn, if that. There is just so much nonsense constructed around the moon landings...and let's remember that there were 6 actual moon landings by astronauts, not just one. Maybe somebody could have faked one, but 6 missions in which humans actually landed on the moon...strains credulity to think that it did not happen.

    • @humanbeing8598
      @humanbeing8598 3 месяца назад

      what's the name of the show, what date did it air so that we could verify your claim.

  • @zblurth855
    @zblurth855 3 года назад +15

    "but the sun is active"
    Hopefully because if the sun is dead we are in deep shit

  • @bellarosethorne
    @bellarosethorne 3 года назад +9

    there's also possibly another point to make about the belts - most launches are geographically equatorial. which means that naturally most launches will be at an inclination that avoids the most dangerous region of the belts.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 Год назад +2

      I'm guessing there's at least one "not" missing somewhere in your comment.

  • @tiredagain6722
    @tiredagain6722 3 года назад +27

    I believe in the pilot of "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" the Van Allen belt caught fire and they used an ICBM to blow it out. Ah, 60's TV shows!

    • @TheMotorick
      @TheMotorick 3 года назад +6

      i remember that. I am old enough that I watched it when it originally aired. Even then the idea of the Van Allen belt catching fire seemed like the typical Hollywood "science" nonsense.

    • @randomnickify
      @randomnickify 3 года назад +3

      Actually that is based on "real story": Nasa devised a plan to clear Van Alen belts before moon missions by blowing them up by the nuke :)

    • @tncorgi92
      @tncorgi92 3 года назад +1

      @@randomnickifywell that's reassuring

    • @graemerigg4029
      @graemerigg4029 3 года назад +1

      That's the one where they are travelling under the polar ice when it breaks up and large chunks of ice crash down onto the sub.

    • @somethinglikethat2176
      @somethinglikethat2176 3 года назад +1

      Tbf the movie 2012 came out on our watch, so let's not judge them too harshly.

  • @cokeaddict87
    @cokeaddict87 3 года назад +72

    10:28 it brings the rads down to 3.6, huh? I've heard that's not great. But not terrible, either.

    • @anarchyantz1564
      @anarchyantz1564 3 года назад +1

      Basically goes down from inside Chernobyl to inside a microwave.....yum, yum...billy.

    • @samarvora7185
      @samarvora7185 3 года назад +6

      There had to be one about the 3.6.

    • @KB4QAA
      @KB4QAA 3 года назад +4

      Jot: US industry standard is 5 Rem per year maximum. So 3.6 Rad/Rem is quite acceptable.

    • @rylian21
      @rylian21 3 года назад +3

      That's only if you go through the very center of the belts. Apollo didn't. Dosage was much, much less.

    • @chrisboyd3540
      @chrisboyd3540 3 года назад +1

      While I hate to be 'that guy' I'm pretty sure that was 3.6 Roentgens that was "not great, but not terrible either" not Rads ;o)

  • @Wdbx831
    @Wdbx831 3 года назад +15

    Brings back memories of doing dose analysis for the vulnerable electronics on a spacecraft stuck in the belt region at the beginning of orbit raising due to a malfunction. Ultimately managed to raise to operational orbit where it continues to operate to this day.
    As a challenge question - can you guess which spacecraft this was?

  • @irvinwright4075
    @irvinwright4075 3 года назад +8

    I think you do a great job of explaining complex topics while keeping them interesting. I would be OK with longer videos if the subject warrants, just in case you were wondering.

  • @krumovevgeni
    @krumovevgeni 3 года назад +2

    I can try and learn as much as I can for the the rest of my life and still feel like Scott is light years away.
    I enjoy every single video that you make. Keep up the good work!

  • @Nichetronix
    @Nichetronix 3 года назад +7

    Really good video, Scott. I remember reading Van Allen's work, decades ago when I was a teenage space geek. We had a great university library FULL of NASA Technical Notes.

  • @docgonzo3517
    @docgonzo3517 3 года назад +36

    Double it because they "have" to come home? Have to is a strong statement for a man with so many hours in KSP ;)

    • @brianarbenz7206
      @brianarbenz7206 3 года назад +2

      Yes, round trip tickets are highly recommended.

  • @GoldSrc_
    @GoldSrc_ 3 года назад +11

    Should have done the calculations for Jupiter's radiation belts as well, because those belts are no joke lol.

    • @FlatOutFE
      @FlatOutFE 3 года назад +1

      I've looked at Jupiter's belts. They looked small to me.

    • @GoldSrc_
      @GoldSrc_ 3 года назад +1

      @@FlatOutFE Hey man, I hope you and your family are doing well in these not so flat times.
      Hopefully this curve gets flattened and all goes back to normal quick.
      Take care and keep it flat my man.

    • @hughevans4665
      @hughevans4665 3 года назад

      There are models in SPENVIS for such a calculation. And yes, they are an engineering challenge.

  • @tachiroakisu5128
    @tachiroakisu5128 3 года назад

    Awesome video. Manley vids are a absolute staple...but some of his best vids are the ones that allow us to have a succinct explanation to share with others contextually.

  • @quikflag
    @quikflag 3 года назад +2

    Hey Scott. I really like your videos and all the research you put into them.

  • @Damien.D
    @Damien.D 3 года назад +25

    Ha well, my intuition finally confirmed by someone else doing the math : a solar flare can kill you during your Lunar weekly golf party. Enven in space, weather prediction are important before playing golf.

    • @pault151
      @pault151 3 года назад

      Just play at night!

  • @elliotsmith9812
    @elliotsmith9812 3 года назад +8

    When asked the "purpose of the Van Allen Belts" Van Allen is said to have replied "The purpose pf the Van Allen Belts is to hold up the Van Allen Pants." There was a story a couple years ago about there maybe being a lot of antimatter trapped in the belts. Please comment!

    • @nathanwahl9224
      @nathanwahl9224 Год назад

      The only thing you might see are some positrons being generated from some of the decays, but those would immediately combine with an electron in such an electro-rich environment, yielding some 1.022 MEv gamma rays.

    • @elliotsmith9812
      @elliotsmith9812 Год назад

      @@nathanwahl9224 It is not about seeing them, it is about harvesting them!

  • @gerardoconnor4278
    @gerardoconnor4278 Год назад +1

    Excellent video. Great handling of complex subject. Thank you.

  • @Cragrim
    @Cragrim 3 года назад +1

    Great video Scott! The unshielded asphyxiation joke got me haha

  • @macleunin
    @macleunin 3 года назад +7

    6:35 “I’m gonna use Rads because it’s easier to say”
    I use Rads because of Fallout

  • @thegreathadoken6808
    @thegreathadoken6808 3 года назад +32

    Scott Manley, the manly Scot.

    • @Volodimar
      @Volodimar 3 года назад +2

      The Manlyest Scott I've ever seen.

    • @-danR
      @-danR 3 года назад

      He jokes that with his name, he never had to prove his manliness.

    • @archenema6792
      @archenema6792 3 года назад +3

      Manley is a Lothian name, and therefore is Sassanach. He's Scottish, but he's no Scot. (p.s. neither was Protector Wallace)

    • @BlackEpyon
      @BlackEpyon 3 года назад

      I have to chuckle at his accent whenever he says "Exploder 1."

  • @bobbernard8331
    @bobbernard8331 3 года назад

    Another awesome video, such a pleasure to watch and learn - thank you Scott!

  • @jajssblue
    @jajssblue 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for the quick aside on the reason for using rads!

  • @Tarkov.
    @Tarkov. 3 года назад +25

    Hey Scott, you should do a video about ASTHROS and whether or not the balloon will be at risk of space debris/meteorites because of its size.
    I had a lengthy discussion with an old family friend and she seemed worried about it.

    • @DamianReloaded
      @DamianReloaded 3 года назад +1

      And lighting!

    • @bozo5632
      @bozo5632 3 года назад +1

      Low, low risk of impacts.

    • @Tarkov.
      @Tarkov. 3 года назад +2

      @@bozo5632 That's what I told her, and I told her that they track space junk already so it would probably be fine, but it would be an interesting video for Scott either way.

    • @logicalfundy
      @logicalfundy 3 года назад +2

      About as much risk as a football field getting hit. It may be flying high, but it's still a fraction of the height of the ISS which is in low Earth orbit and needs an occasional boost. So it's still well within the atmosphere at a height well below what is required for orbit, and it should have most of the protection the atmosphere offers.

    • @EduardoEscarez
      @EduardoEscarez 3 года назад

      @@DamianReloaded ASTHROS is going to be launched in Antarctica, to a high altitude (40 km), and with a mission lasting a month, so the risk from lightning is very low. Also the gondola where the instruments will be mounted will have a parachute to refurbish them in other missions.

  • @jshepard152
    @jshepard152 3 года назад +10

    Exploder 1 would have been a great name for some of the early US rockets.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 года назад +1

      Especially the ones in their national Anthem, although those were British rockets buzzing the tower,

    • @toahero5925
      @toahero5925 3 года назад +1

      Better yet, the Soviet N1.

  • @wildatlanticman128
    @wildatlanticman128 3 года назад +1

    Another very informative episode, thank you. Look forward to the next one. Btw where did you source your SpaceX Starship model...on the shelf behind you? I've been looking for a while now ...thank you!

  • @rustusandroid
    @rustusandroid 3 года назад

    Thank you for this one. Gave me a solid understanding about this issue that was always in the back burner of my thoughts.

  • @DarkAudit
    @DarkAudit 3 года назад +6

    James Michener's novel, Space, had just such an event during the fictional Apollo 18 mission. A massive solar storm during a lunar EVA.

    • @fensoxx
      @fensoxx 3 года назад

      I miss his books. So good.

  • @my.luminaire
    @my.luminaire 3 года назад +3

    Wow, one of the most satisfying vids, thanks!

  • @psychicrenegade
    @psychicrenegade Год назад +1

    I love your background! My son loves the Kerbal Space Program!

  • @jimpumphrey7713
    @jimpumphrey7713 Год назад

    Scott. Thank you! The Van Allen Belts have always peaked my curiosity. Good info.

  • @kdwaynec
    @kdwaynec 2 года назад +4

    These comments are fascinating! People with rubber band powered airplane expertise giving their opinions about rocket science and orbital mechanics.

  • @wrightyy
    @wrightyy 3 года назад +4

    Of those who walked on the moon, more are dead than alive. 4 out of 12 still kicking in January 2021, I think. And Jim Lovell, biggest NASA legend ever.

    • @jakemckee1923
      @jakemckee1923 3 года назад

      Jim? Agreed. Next is Young for me lol

  • @nightrunner1456
    @nightrunner1456 Год назад +2

    Thanks, easy to understand.

  • @vacuumfireradio253
    @vacuumfireradio253 3 года назад +2

    Quality. Thanks Scott.

  • @lawrencetate1329
    @lawrencetate1329 2 года назад +3

    It just blows my mind that there are people who just don't accept reality.

  • @eliyasne9695
    @eliyasne9695 3 года назад +6

    10:35
    "3.6" 😂 "not good, not terrible" as Diatlov said.

  • @hobgoblinuk5100
    @hobgoblinuk5100 3 года назад +1

    Very interesting. Thank you.
    I knew a little bit of this but always good to learn more.

  • @CJ_102
    @CJ_102 3 года назад

    Love the clear analyses, thank you sir

  • @allypoum
    @allypoum 3 года назад +5

    I've had people in comments tell me I'm stupid for believing in the moon landings because "the Van Allen belt would fry you". Thanks for giving me better arguments than "shut up you idiot"...

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  3 года назад +6

      But let’s be clear. They are idiots who should shut up.

    • @allypoum
      @allypoum 3 года назад +1

      @@scottmanley lol very true.

  • @thePronto
    @thePronto 3 года назад +7

    "I'm Scott Manley, fry safe."

  • @treck87
    @treck87 3 года назад +1

    Your cheeky humor made this video golden to watch.

  • @brianarbenz7206
    @brianarbenz7206 3 года назад

    Great factual explanation - and cool visuals. Straight from an early 1970s record album cover!

  • @juniorballs6025
    @juniorballs6025 3 года назад +4

    I especially enjoyed this one, thanks very much! 😎

  • @jamesasbury6778
    @jamesasbury6778 3 года назад +3

    You mention the levels being below safety limits for works who work around radioactive materials. Just curious what are are those limits and can you compare to radiation exposure in a trans-Atlantic flight or chest X-ray or CT scan?
    Really enjoy your content. Growing up near Oak Ridge Tennessee with family and extended family working at ORNL, one develops a very healthy respect for radiation. My father , and all employees , wore radiation monitors in their badges.

  • @panchor
    @panchor 3 года назад +1

    Great video, Scott.

  • @littgaia2939
    @littgaia2939 3 года назад

    Thank you, sir for such informative videos.

  • @StreuB1
    @StreuB1 3 года назад +7

    These analysis videos are some of your best. This was so awesome. I get really tired of these pie in the sky "lets go to Mars!!!" videos so its nice to have yours where we break down the realities and the physics behind it all.....from someone who actually has a degree in.....physics. Thank you Scott!
    Edit: And I am not being negative towards other RUclipsrs who make those pie-in-the-sky videos. They're nice as well. These videos you produce though, for me at least. Tick all the boxes, or at least most of them.

  • @TheHateSpeechChannel
    @TheHateSpeechChannel 3 года назад +3

    The "camp" t-shirt suits you real good 😂

  • @myurgil
    @myurgil 2 года назад

    Great video as always!
    Unrelated, I got a good chuckle every time you said “Explorer,” which I heard as “Exploder” due to your Scottish accent.

  • @AboveSuccess
    @AboveSuccess 3 года назад +1

    Thank you, that was informative and useful.

  • @sporg
    @sporg 3 года назад +3

    Hi Scott -- great video, as always.
    Interestingly, when Apollo 8 went to the Moon, Frank Borman came down with vomiting and diarrhoea a day after launch, after the TLI. (Dear god, diarrhoea in a tiny tin can, weightless, with two other crewmen... hope the sticky seal on the bag held it in place...)
    There was enough concern about potential radiation effects -- the crew were the first to have flown through the belts -- that the crew reported his illness only on the private downlink recording. Fortunately, after a day or so, Borman recovered. Must have been a funky cabin atmosphere for the rest of the trip, though.

    • @VedTraed
      @VedTraed 3 года назад

      Not only that, they were 3 men locked up together in a tiny space for up to 10 days with no shower. Multiple Apollo astronauts mentioned how they didn't want to make the trip again, based on hygienic reasons alone. Current human spaceflight technology puts a much larger emphasis on quality of life.

    • @Austin1990
      @Austin1990 Год назад

      I came to this video from one claiming that we never went to the moon. It included a compilation of videos of astronauts and NASA scientists claiming that we do not yet have the technology to go to the moon due to the Van Allen Radiation Belt. One scientist claimed the original technology had been destroyed.
      This video and your video confirmed one of my hypotheses. The astronauts of the past were subjected to radiation levels that would not be accepted today, and NASA does not want that dirty little secret to become widespread knowledge. NASA prefers to pretend that they lost technology rather than admit that the early attempts at space travel were crude and that we need much better technology before trying again.

  • @max20032
    @max20032 3 года назад +3

    Hey Scott. Great video as usual. It got me thinking something and I wanted to ask you. Are there any records for activation occurring in Van Allen belts? Can a vessel become radioactive itself? Are there any records stating that the bombardment of the vessel with charged particles in the belts produces radionuclides? From watching your videos I got the idea that aluminium based alloys are frequently used materials for spacecrafts but there are stuff made of steel as well. Aluminium has only one stable isotope but iron, which is the basis of steel, has 4 stable isotopes with Fe56 being the most abundant. Bombardment of Fe56 with protons produces Co56 with half-life of 77 days which decays back into Fe56 emitting two gamma rays one with energy of 846 keV with 99% intensity and second with energy of 1238 keV with 66% intensity. The highest probability for this reaction to occur is when the protons have energy of around 12 MeV. Bombardment of Al-27, which is the only stable isotope of aluminium, with protons should produce Si-27 whose half-life is only few seconds.

    • @konaken1035
      @konaken1035 2 года назад

      If the the space capsule is shielded, it is also a vessel that can concentrate the gathering particles that do enter... would that be correct?

  • @geoffturner4372
    @geoffturner4372 3 года назад

    Awesome vid as usual! Thank you sir!

  • @delcox8165
    @delcox8165 3 года назад

    Great video. It's wonderful to see all this information in one place.
    I _was_ one of those moon landing skeptics back in the day, and you more commonly came across information by those that chose to provide it. I found out about the Van Allen belts from a conspiracy TV program, and it was difficult enough to find out more information on them from the library; even then, all I could really find was what they _are_ and not how their danger was addressed. You can't ask a book questions. I didn't get an answer (similar to this video) to the Apollo question until I spoke with an engineer at the Kennedy Space Center.
    Some skeptics are idiots that want to feel special, but some are just stuck with a lack of information. Though, honestly, in this day and age that problem should be rectified, so I think it mostly falls back to the "feelings special" bit.

  • @doryiii
    @doryiii 3 года назад +6

    There are active researches into making lightweight superconducting magnets (the same kind used in MRI machines) to put on spacecrafts for long-term manned interplanetary space missions. From some of the papers I've read, things look rather promising.

    • @carmendelong9753
      @carmendelong9753 Год назад

      20 years ago, in a Nuclear Engineering class at Univ of Tn, I asked my professor if strategic positioning of high strength magnets could deflect radiation away from spacecraft. He laughed at me and said that wasn’t the scope of the course.
      NOTE to WIN: Never let our industry discourage you from thinking out of the box.
      Lise Meitner, a woman, discovered fission.

  • @blackhawks81H
    @blackhawks81H 3 года назад +7

    Damn you South Atlantic Anomaly! Shaky fist!

  • @eddieo6466
    @eddieo6466 3 года назад

    Wow...you are the first person to explain it all! Thank you...

    • @Benoit-Pierre
      @Benoit-Pierre 3 года назад +1

      Nope. Many other channels and tv stuff explained it ... With different words.

  • @Timflan
    @Timflan 3 года назад

    Thank you, Scott! I learned a lot today.

  • @OfentseMwaseFilms
    @OfentseMwaseFilms 2 года назад +6

    Thank you for this Great explanation.

  • @quorkquork
    @quorkquork 3 года назад +4

    "I guess you could sit there and watch Chernobyl"
    That'd be an amusing thing to do.

  • @rogerfreeman6787
    @rogerfreeman6787 2 года назад

    It sounds like you're saying Exploder, and I love it.

  • @eventcone
    @eventcone 3 года назад +5

    Conspiracy theorists are Khan.
    Apollo defenders are Kirk.
    I kinda like that. ;-)

  • @ShadowPantherRus
    @ShadowPantherRus 3 года назад +5

    Now I wonder whether in the future we could use Van Allen belts as particle accelerators/colliders to do science

  • @The_Lone_Wolf
    @The_Lone_Wolf 2 года назад

    Thank you Sir keep up the good work I enjoy your content

  • @MrGaborseres
    @MrGaborseres 3 года назад

    Scott 🖖... Thank you sir 👍 I love your chanel and your hands on explanations

  • @tomaszdzieduszynski
    @tomaszdzieduszynski 3 года назад +13

    Scott, I can also recommend using NASA OLTARIS for radiation simulations if it interests you! It even allows you to simullate complex geometries of habitats on the surface of Mars (you define the geometries by a list of concentric rays and encountered shielding thicknesses). I used it for my MA thesis on the feasibility of building a Martian base out of water ice.

    • @rdizzy1
      @rdizzy1 3 года назад

      I saw a study a while back where they had built concepts of miniature directional, portable (essentially) magnetospheres that future spacecrafts could carry on board to use as radiation protection.

    • @tomaszdzieduszynski
      @tomaszdzieduszynski 3 года назад

      @@rdizzy1 Way too much energy needed. This is sci-fi so far.

  • @zemoxian
    @zemoxian 3 года назад +4

    Instead of rads, how bad are they measured in bananas? Like how many bananas give the same dosages of radiation?

  • @alexandermccomb6444
    @alexandermccomb6444 3 года назад +2

    I love watching videos like this because the subject matter is so interesting to me but the technical and mathematical aspects I don't fully understand but it makes me do some research so I can understand!

    • @jl.7739
      @jl.7739 3 года назад +2

      Same here when it comes to the math. However it comforts me because other people (that are much smarter than me) watch these videos too and understand the math. If anything was wrong, they would point it out in the comments. And since no one is doing that, I believe his math is correct 😄

  • @texastaterbug5395
    @texastaterbug5395 3 года назад +2

    As a radiologist, I appreciate the confusion over units. Using rads, particularly when you are comparing US research data from early projects to modern projects is easier than converting to modern SI units.

    • @jshepard152
      @jshepard152 3 года назад +1

      But... Do you still advise clinical correlation?

    • @texastaterbug5395
      @texastaterbug5395 3 года назад

      @@jshepard152 This made my day. Thanks for that. Actually, I assume if you ordered a study then you are going to pool my interpretation of the study with other clinical, serologic, and laboratory data to determine the next best management step for your patient. Just clinically correlating would be missing the mark.

    • @jshepard152
      @jshepard152 3 года назад +1

      @@texastaterbug5395
      LOL. Good to know. And, glad you enjoyed it.

  • @altrag
    @altrag 3 года назад +49

    TL;DR Rocket scientists know more about space than RUclips nutters.

    • @otheraccount5252
      @otheraccount5252 3 года назад +3

      Who knew?

    • @gesshoku0121
      @gesshoku0121 3 года назад +3

      Don't forget the many twitter clown scientists.

    • @MarkTheMorose
      @MarkTheMorose 3 года назад +1

      We don't hear the word 'nutters' nearly enough. Damn you, political correctness!

    • @alt8791
      @alt8791 3 года назад

      shocking

    • @corinnehill8565
      @corinnehill8565 3 года назад

      Not scientists but Directors...
      Stanley Kubrick's lunar moon landing... Is surprising...

  • @zapfanzapfan
    @zapfanzapfan 3 года назад +3

    8:54 Burst out laughing, luckily no coffee in my mouth :-)

  • @innerlight6430
    @innerlight6430 3 года назад

    Very informative scott

  • @PaddyPatrone
    @PaddyPatrone 3 года назад

    learned a lot, thanks scott!

  • @stanburton6224
    @stanburton6224 3 года назад +10

    "Exploder I" indeed....=b

  • @anluifb
    @anluifb 3 года назад +3

    In astronomical systems, it's very rare to have large-scale charge separation. Most macroscopic objects are electrically neutral because, if they were the charged, oppositely charged regions would attract and neutralize each other. At 2:27 Scott mentions "The inner belt is dominated by protons." Does this mean that the population of very energetic particles beyond some energy cutoff is mostly made up of protons?

  • @kendokaaa
    @kendokaaa 3 года назад

    So THAT's why you tweeted about this. Great video

  • @allenvaughan1
    @allenvaughan1 3 года назад

    Excellent video!

  • @demonorb8634
    @demonorb8634 3 года назад +10

    Flerfs love the van allen belts
    They are rad!

  • @WearyKirin
    @WearyKirin 3 года назад +3

    I avoid radiation with a wavelength between 380 and 700nm at a high enough power radiation in that range can cause blindness

    • @DecidedlyNinja
      @DecidedlyNinja 3 года назад

      Good call! IDK about other countries but in the US it's actually still legal to sell products that emit that sort of radiation.

    • @WearyKirin
      @WearyKirin 3 года назад

      @@DecidedlyNinja it makes me sick to the stomach to think they allow dangerous radiation producing devices to be sold imagine if you were in come in contact with it the consequences could be awful

  • @timblack6422
    @timblack6422 3 года назад

    Good info here. Thank you!

  • @demonicsquid7217
    @demonicsquid7217 3 года назад +1

    Now I understand why Van Allen preferred an elasticated waist on his trousers.

  • @AllanFolm
    @AllanFolm 3 года назад +4

    I'm pretty sure your number for shielding is off by a factor of 10. The complex walls of the command module contained not only aluminium, but also stainless steel, phenolic resin, not to add the various structures in the hull, like various stored items and fuel. Normally, the structure is said to be equal to 7 centimeters of stuff, not 7 millimeters for the hull alone.
    On the outgoing trip, the astronauts were shielded from the front by the LM and the back by the SM. That is a LOT of mass to stop radiation. So basically, the CM was open to radiation from the sides only on the outgoing trip.

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  3 года назад +3

      Indeed, I'm just using the reference that NASA used when designing the mission.

    • @MrAmisto
      @MrAmisto 6 месяцев назад

      Open to radiation? And none of them have cáncer... lol

    • @AllanFolm
      @AllanFolm 6 месяцев назад

      @@MrAmisto Would you like to research that claim, and perhaps CHANGE IT?
      First of all, "open" in this context means "Not shielded by an extraordinary large and bulky and heavy structure". The walls and stores of the command module still attentuated the majority of the radiation. Which wasn't that much to begin with.
      Quote-mining is not a valid argument.