@ yh you proved my point. People take him as a joke. He was the only ramp card( energy wise) in the game before all these others released. He was not played with viper then so he was not made to be vipered.
You mention Hydra Bob with Iron Patriot, but Martyr might be even better. Not moving on Snap is a huge advantage even if you can snap on 1, and even if you can't trap her by the end of the game, you're still trading 1 energy for a 4 energy discount.
Maybe all of the bad luck youve ever had in your life is going to go to your Bruce Hulking out but literally nothing else. So you will almost never draw him but when he does he Hulks out. But they will always shang him because you will never draw cosmo or armor either.
5:15 they only buff other doombots, so if you played doom on 4, got his effect on 5 and 6. You got 3 doombots overall, doom himself will get 3 power up to 5, bots will only be +2 power up to 4. And if it does work with regular Doom, regular doombots don't have ongoing passive. So regular doom and his doombots will just get +3 power up to 8 from 3 doombots 2099.
@@BigCheese77I expect that "Doom" text is the Doom 2099 because the "DoomBots" text is not "DoomBots 2099" The text will subjected to change anyways so after the community reaction they should clarify it
T2 Psylock T3 D2099 (and 1st clone) T4 w/e (2nd clone) T5 w/e (3rd clone) T6 Onslaught (ideally into a lane with 2 clones +4th clone) So with no Magik: 5 4/10s With Magik: 6 4/11s -quoted from my friend
@@blahze1908you saying this just made wonder a bit why Debrii Falcon has never been much of a thing. But then, even Debrii Carnage has never been much of a thing. However, Debrii, Falcon, pelt the opponent with the rocks sounds fantastic.
Galacta is kind of a jump the shark character for me. I just can’t get behind Galactus having a child. I’d love if it was a human girl who thought Galactus was awesome so was cosplaying as him and happened to get powers. But the idea this is Galactus’s daughter just…breaks my brain. Card is great though!
Doombot 2099 says other Doombots and Doom get +1 not itself so the 3 Doom 2099 would have Doom 2099 would be a 5 and Bot 2099 would be 4s and the Bots from normal Doom would not give the bonus but still receive the bonus, so Doom and Bots would be 8.
15:34 I think of cerebro 5 lol that deck isn't real rn especially after the black swan change but moonstone bringing the point ceiling up to 36/36/27 and luna snow allowing you to doom on 5 are really good. Luna snow also allows you to drop cerebro and moonstone on the same turn
She's not movable at all early game too which makes her better than bob some of the time but iron patriot decks might just run both since the statline is so efficient
DoomBots 2099 give OTHER +1, if you play Doom 2099 on 4, 1 card on 5 and 1 card on 6, you would have 3 4-power Doombots and only Doom 2099 itself will be 5-powered.
I think Toxie Doxie could be interesting for a later turn play with Warmachine, or also combo with Jeff and Makari (or the 3 cost that plays from your hand). I'd even see a reason to run both 0 cost to help thin your hand so as not to have as much of an issue with having your hand too full for the turn you can't play anything.
Bullseye with Falcon is going to be pretty wild. You Debris. You squirrel girl. Hazmat. Maybe you have Annihulus. If not, no problem. Just Falcon, activate Bullseye, nuke opponent’s board. Just have to solve for Luke Cage.
Rocket & Groot looks great on a Jean grey deck, maybe you could combine it with other guardians cards. Putting Rocket & Groot in one location might make your opponent less likely to play cards there
Sorry if anyone else mentioned this, but the first card I thought of to work with Victoria Hand was Moon Girl. Double up that She-Hulk slam with an added +2. Yes, please!
Toxie doxie in she-hulk shells seems great. Between her and Bruce Banner, high evo could get back on the map. As a huge coulson and mirage fan I'm also really hyped for Victoria hand
The December cards are great and the January cards are fun with great designs. I have save though, so ill get groot/rocket with Tokens and caches for January. Hoping/coping Bob shows up in a cache
Unfortunately we have seen the caches and no Bob to be found for Dec or Jan. Honestly both months are pretty disappointing in what's being offered in the caches outside of the new cards
I think they've done a very good job of making the Dark Avengers season cards work thematically with each other and existing characters who were part of the team like Daken and Skaar.
Moon stone seems a lot better for a ongoing deck than a combo deck. although the ability to easily copy ravana might give it enough of a reason to exist in a living tribunal and iron man deck. Ant man, dazzler, captain America or us agent can easily own a lane with this backing it up.
@HooglandiaSnap yeah, I get it. This is brutal. You got to do what you need to do. I had to make similar choices in the past and it's basically do what you need to remain sane and make a living. Not always the choice we'd like to make...
9:34 RR&G - "Weaker card of this month"? O_O This card gives you 2 power advantage every time opponent plays a card into its location. This can easily go to 7, 9, 11 power (and even more) on top of movement it has.
15:35 the first combo that come to my mind is Cerebro 5 because of her power aaand Patriotshe could make those decks more consistent with her being an alternative to Mistyque or Onslaught
Dude, getting Toxie Doxie when you don't mean it like that location "X-Mansion" or if you roll her with Sersi and you can't play at turn 6 could be devastating. Good thing she synergies with War Machine. Not to mention you could play her on this very niche deck where you set-up Viper and Toxie in a lane and then you atleast have to Odin or Misery on turn 5 so that Viper will throw Toxie to your opponents and since her on reveal is reactivated, on turn 6 the opponent can't play nothing. 🤣
I think moonstone could have a place in the card generation archetype that they seem to be pushing with victoria hand. Copying the effects of cards like quinjet for more energy cheat or victoria and speed for more stats seems compelling to me.
Moonstone is probably one of the best cards so far alongside Galacta and Doom 2099. C5 will become a thing, Cosmo , captain america, patriot like her. Not to mention it has good synergy with and Man and strong guy. Ongoing decks resurector
if u replace gwenpool with galacta on the classic surfer deck and you high roll, you go turn 3 hope, 4 galacta, into brood and shaw in other lanes. could be good at least
If you curve it out and conserve energy on T4 ,5, and 6 it's 57.81% chance for each Banner to Hulk out. And I believe 15.9% for both Banners Hulking out with 4, 5, and 6 having saved energy.
If Doom 2099 works with Dr Doom it's insane as long as you get Dr Doom (and you're probably playing Magik too). If it doesn't it seems a bit meh - a lot of power for 4 energy but taking up spots and random spots at that.
I don’t see some people filling luna snows location regularly so they have constant energy ramp as the conditions seem easy enough to meet not to remove the ice.
Galactus will be coming back not just because of galacta but also rocket and groot since the opponent will be hesitant to play there and before you play galactus you can just move it
I'm going to play Red Guardian in Bruce Banner release week and make people cry. I don't like RNG cards with low chances to do big things - it's not as Chaosball as Sersi, it's just about getting lucky or not.
t4: Galacta + wasp (+3) t5: 2 things (+6) t6: 2 things (+6) In essence if you're high rolling and only trying to get a namora type effect, Galacta will provide 15 plus her base of 5 to the board. *edit: There's a lot of cards that allow you to play a 4-cost on turn 3, meaning Galacta can provide even more power to the board in the right circumstances.
@TheWoelrat yeah if not, then she's just a significantly more op og Elsa, and as bad as their design team is at balancing, I doubt they are THAT stupid.
@ I’m thinking like only tall one costs so rocket and silver sable, as well as scorn, luke cage is obviously a risk so I’m hoping another round of on reveal would make them bigger, it could also include Ajax and hazmat just in case, annihilus would be nice but doesn’t really work because you’d want to to play him after hela and that doesn’t often work out
At this point I feel there are two completely different teams in Second Dinner making new cards Theres this boring team that made October and November cards and this other team that made August, September and not December and January
Electro just looking at all the energy ramp in the game like “am I a joke to you?” 😢
More of a Viper card, really
@ yh you proved my point. People take him as a joke. He was the only ramp card( energy wise) in the game before all these others released. He was not played with viper then so he was not made to be vipered.
Doom 2099 sounds like an insta add to a spectrum deck
Ooh yeah didn’t think of that. Fits right into a curve of Doom 2099 on 4 and Claw/Iron Man on 5
Great shout.
First thing I thought of lol.
You mention Hydra Bob with Iron Patriot, but Martyr might be even better. Not moving on Snap is a huge advantage even if you can snap on 1, and even if you can't trap her by the end of the game, you're still trading 1 energy for a 4 energy discount.
Moonstone can also work with Rogue. It'll definitely cause some clippable moments when you yoink AND double up an ongoing.
Knowing my luck with RNG Bruce aint gonna be Hulking out much xD
whenever i get danger room my best card i play always gets hit by that 25% destroy though LUL
Sure he will. Just, you know, not for you, but for your opponents ;p
Maybe all of the bad luck youve ever had in your life is going to go to your Bruce Hulking out but literally nothing else. So you will almost never draw him but when he does he Hulks out. But they will always shang him because you will never draw cosmo or armor either.
rng? rocket n groot?
hulkling out? 🤔
play rocket n groot with bruce n hulkling, understood
5:15 they only buff other doombots, so if you played doom on 4, got his effect on 5 and 6. You got 3 doombots overall, doom himself will get 3 power up to 5, bots will only be +2 power up to 4. And if it does work with regular Doom, regular doombots don't have ongoing passive. So regular doom and his doombots will just get +3 power up to 8 from 3 doombots 2099.
Bro... It literally says "AND DOOM" on the card...
@@BigCheese77I expect that "Doom" text is the Doom 2099 because the "DoomBots" text is not "DoomBots 2099"
The text will subjected to change anyways so after the community reaction they should clarify it
T2 Psylock
T3 D2099 (and 1st clone)
T4 w/e (2nd clone)
T5 w/e (3rd clone)
T6 Onslaught (ideally into a lane with 2 clones +4th clone)
So with no Magik: 5 4/10s
With Magik: 6 4/11s
-quoted from my friend
@@quocanhnguyen8000 I'm reading it as it affecting both versions. But I could be wrong
@@BigCheese77 it could go either way and they should clarify it
Bullseye then Shanna Falcon Activate on 5 sounds fun to me.
This but Debrii instead. That way I can ditch my rocks and maybe make theirs worse too.
@blahze1908 fair point I was thinking about the potential of effects from 1drops
@@blahze1908you saying this just made wonder a bit why Debrii Falcon has never been much of a thing. But then, even Debrii Carnage has never been much of a thing. However, Debrii, Falcon, pelt the opponent with the rocks sounds fantastic.
Galacta is kind of a jump the shark character for me. I just can’t get behind Galactus having a child. I’d love if it was a human girl who thought Galactus was awesome so was cosplaying as him and happened to get powers. But the idea this is Galactus’s daughter just…breaks my brain.
Card is great though!
Yeah, comic spoiler but she’s not really literally his daughter. Power cosmic shenanigans.
@ oh thank god
Power creep is real.
Doombot 2099 says other Doombots and Doom get +1 not itself so the 3 Doom 2099 would have Doom 2099 would be a 5 and Bot 2099 would be 4s and the Bots from normal Doom would not give the bonus but still receive the bonus, so Doom and Bots would be 8.
15:34 I think of cerebro 5 lol that deck isn't real rn especially after the black swan change but moonstone bringing the point ceiling up to 36/36/27 and luna snow allowing you to doom on 5 are really good. Luna snow also allows you to drop cerebro and moonstone on the same turn
You’re absolutely cooking right now!
Ares could be a turn 6/7 drop in a Gladiator/Zemo/Cable deck. Your last 2 remaining cards are likely to have more power than 0
Ouch
See this is why Snap is better than Pocket. No rng effects
Ooooh Bruce banner has a 25% to Hulk Out? Now that’s skill
Martyr would be a good replacement for Bob if you just want some early stats.
She's not movable at all early game too which makes her better than bob some of the time but iron patriot decks might just run both since the statline is so efficient
She is never a good replacement
@@TopTierHarley If you fill the board, she is
DoomBots 2099 give OTHER +1, if you play Doom 2099 on 4, 1 card on 5 and 1 card on 6, you would have 3 4-power Doombots and only Doom 2099 itself will be 5-powered.
I think Toxie Doxie could be interesting for a later turn play with Warmachine, or also combo with Jeff and Makari (or the 3 cost that plays from your hand). I'd even see a reason to run both 0 cost to help thin your hand so as not to have as much of an issue with having your hand too full for the turn you can't play anything.
Surprised you didn’t mention the recently datamined Gorgon as well. It and Toxie Doxie feel like cards from special events!
Iron Patriot -> Juggernaut seems pretty stable too
Ouch.
Looking forward to a lot of these upcoming cards. They all seem very interesting and hopefully they all end up feeling like meaningful releases.
Bullseye with Falcon is going to be pretty wild. You Debris. You squirrel girl. Hazmat. Maybe you have Annihulus. If not, no problem. Just Falcon, activate Bullseye, nuke opponent’s board.
Just have to solve for Luke Cage.
I'm going to try chucking Doom into a Spectrum deck. Don't care if it is good or not!
I wonder how iron patriot would work with Kamar Taj?
Rocket & Groot looks great on a Jean grey deck, maybe you could combine it with other guardians cards. Putting Rocket & Groot in one location might make your opponent less likely to play cards there
Sorry if anyone else mentioned this, but the first card I thought of to work with Victoria Hand was Moon Girl. Double up that She-Hulk slam with an added +2. Yes, please!
Mmmm that is a fun one. Plus four to six with MG.
Moonstone seems really good in Patriot. Also, Toxie is probably fantastic in War Machine.
Iron Patriot seems nuts for arishem. The extra energy both helps contest for the discount and pay if you don't get it.
Doom 2099 in arishem feels really good. You can play him on 3 and keep playing big guys on the other turns!
12:45 wouldn't Shadow King do nothing because Victoria Hand's effect is Ongoing?
Yes, it'd work just like Kazar or Blarvel.
I said "you have protection from shadow King wiping it away"
13:35 wait what happen to bullseye pic?,
Toxie doxie in she-hulk shells seems great. Between her and Bruce Banner, high evo could get back on the map.
As a huge coulson and mirage fan I'm also really hyped for Victoria hand
I wonder if we ever going to see Firestar in game finally…
I'll be honest, I love the themeing that Ares basically has you play War to get his bonus
The December cards are great and the January cards are fun with great designs. I have save though, so ill get groot/rocket with Tokens and caches for January. Hoping/coping Bob shows up in a cache
Unfortunately we have seen the caches and no Bob to be found for Dec or Jan. Honestly both months are pretty disappointing in what's being offered in the caches outside of the new cards
I think they've done a very good job of making the Dark Avengers season cards work thematically with each other and existing characters who were part of the team like Daken and Skaar.
Moon stone seems a lot better for a ongoing deck than a combo deck. although the ability to easily copy ravana might give it enough of a reason to exist in a living tribunal and iron man deck. Ant man, dazzler, captain America or us agent can easily own a lane with this backing it up.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the non-cut channel but damn this is the kind of insight I'm craving. You see things others don't.
Yeah, tbh I'm sad this channel fell off so hard, and I can't justify putting more effort into it. Basically, it makes no return these days.
@HooglandiaSnap yeah, I get it. This is brutal. You got to do what you need to do. I had to make similar choices in the past and it's basically do what you need to remain sane and make a living. Not always the choice we'd like to make...
9:34 RR&G - "Weaker card of this month"? O_O
This card gives you 2 power advantage every time opponent plays a card into its location. This can easily go to 7, 9, 11 power (and even more) on top of movement it has.
15:35 the first combo that come to my mind is Cerebro 5 because of her power aaand Patriotshe could make those decks more consistent with her being an alternative to Mistyque or Onslaught
Too bad the series drops aren’t available yet. Not wanting to spend tokens at the time until we know what to expect.
galacta and doom 2099 are both 4-drops that benefit a ridiculous amount from being played early
seems like zabu stocks are going up massively
For the doom 2099 only the doom 2099 clones give +1 so it would be +3 to the other bots. Looking like a great season!
Peni Parker feels really good with Wiccan right? Also Iron Patriot into Juggernaut is going to be strong.
the bullseye design is so thematic and I absolutely cant wait to play with it even if it ends up very bad XD
Dude, getting Toxie Doxie when you don't mean it like that location "X-Mansion" or if you roll her with Sersi and you can't play at turn 6 could be devastating. Good thing she synergies with War Machine.
Not to mention you could play her on this very niche deck where you set-up Viper and Toxie in a lane and then you atleast have to Odin or Misery on turn 5 so that Viper will throw Toxie to your opponents and since her on reveal is reactivated, on turn 6 the opponent can't play nothing. 🤣
I think moonstone could have a place in the card generation archetype that they seem to be pushing with victoria hand. Copying the effects of cards like quinjet for more energy cheat or victoria and speed for more stats seems compelling to me.
Also victoria hand moon girl could possibly be a deck to try.
13:13 I think Victoria Hand + Toxic Arrow is not a problem, once the card is on your opponent's side it is no longer "your card"
Correct, but it is less bonus power overall for you still.
Moonstone is probably one of the best cards so far alongside Galacta and Doom 2099. C5 will become a thing, Cosmo , captain america, patriot like her. Not to mention it has good synergy with and Man and strong guy. Ongoing decks resurector
Moonstone, galacta and Doom 2099 are the best cards as they fit into many decks, I was thinking of using Doom 2099 with goblins
Ares + Mill and Toxie + War Machine sound cool
I wonder if you can play a card after Galacta and have that be the "first card in other location"? So you can have 0/4 Wasp :)
Love the december season, what a nice collab to have!
I can't believe no one mention Moonstone with Captain America.
These two are so obvious working with each other.
*Chibi Galacta spotted. Hoarding gold mode engaged*
Moonstone with patriot+mystique is what I’ll experiment with.
Love the video. Excited for upcoming season
if u replace gwenpool with galacta on the classic surfer deck and you high roll, you go turn 3 hope, 4 galacta, into brood and shaw in other lanes. could be good at least
Bruce into frigga. Calling it
If you curve it out and conserve energy on T4 ,5, and 6 it's 57.81% chance for each Banner to Hulk out. And I believe 15.9% for both Banners Hulking out with 4, 5, and 6 having saved energy.
If Doom 2099 works with Dr Doom it's insane as long as you get Dr Doom (and you're probably playing Magik too). If it doesn't it seems a bit meh - a lot of power for 4 energy but taking up spots and random spots at that.
Nico copy on 1 into Victoria hand on 2 gives you a 2nd Victoria hand which is created in hand. Seems cute at least
Also I think you missed Gorgon?
They need to add more deck slots
100%
Idk if this is just excitement but it seems like the game's power level is going to rise. True or false i am excited with these unique designs
Not talking about Arishem when discussing Victoria Hand, I see you
I assume that Arishem cards don’t count. They have to be created “in your hand”, not added to your deck.
@@trialconesiaur1638oh, good point
Peni and Rocket/Groot, just because I love silky smooth and hope a new brew of that is competitive
Luna snow with Elektra
Nice!
Dude Galacticia is gonna be so annoying cant wait lol
Galacta! Not "Galactica"
Calm down…
ITS LEVIOSA NOT LEVIOSAAAAAAAAAA
Same energy
Shut up 😂
Oh shit here we go again
Gorgon?
Jeff, bullseye should not release as is or it's gonna be problematic i tell you. The synergy with swarm, scorn and morbius might break the game idk
I'm tired of them adding so many toxic cards to the game. Going to hate facing bullseye decks
I don’t see some people filling luna snows location regularly so they have constant energy ramp as the conditions seem easy enough to meet not to remove the ice.
The ice cube is 0 power so premium red guardian target
also Lady Deathstrike will be in the same spotlight cache which is goof synergy
@@SuperPatinatorbut that would kill your own too
Is comparing cards with Ares means that players get to see theirs and opponents next 3 draws?
No, but you will know a little bit of information, who has the higher power next three draws
Whatever happened to Firestar? Is that ever coming back?
Unknown at this time. She was never officially announced so there was never any real expectation she was coming at all.
good stuff as always
Saving my November keys for December. 🎉
Galactus will be coming back not just because of galacta but also rocket and groot since the opponent will be hesitant to play there and before you play galactus you can just move it
Moonstone=cerebro 5 back on the menu
Why would someone play elsa if galacta is a thing?
She may see a total rework by the time Galacta is released.
Im most excited for doom 2099 for sure.
Moonstone and Patriot with Mystique.
Can't wait for doom 2099 and moonstone 😊
Holy Crap i want to play the new doom right now. He makes my johnny sense tingle
I'm going to play Red Guardian in Bruce Banner release week and make people cry. I don't like RNG cards with low chances to do big things - it's not as Chaosball as Sersi, it's just about getting lucky or not.
I mean that’s what collaborations are, right? They are pushed, because they’re specifically trying to push the other game
t4: Galacta + wasp (+3)
t5: 2 things (+6)
t6: 2 things (+6)
In essence if you're high rolling and only trying to get a namora type effect, Galacta will provide 15 plus her base of 5 to the board.
*edit: There's a lot of cards that allow you to play a 4-cost on turn 3, meaning Galacta can provide even more power to the board in the right circumstances.
I don't think it triggers per lane but only on the first card you play in a lane where she isn't
@TheWoelrat yeah if not, then she's just a significantly more op og Elsa, and as bad as their design team is at balancing, I doubt they are THAT stupid.
Hela bounce with bullseye, you play all your one costs, pick them up, put them down pick them up, bullseye, then hela plays them for you
Hello would give them all -3 power. What about somehow ramping into Hela on T5, then Annihilus on T6?
@ I’m thinking like only tall one costs so rocket and silver sable, as well as scorn, luke cage is obviously a risk so I’m hoping another round of on reveal would make them bigger, it could also include Ajax and hazmat just in case, annihilus would be nice but doesn’t really work because you’d want to to play him after hela and that doesn’t often work out
Luna seems cracked
Victoria is also a sweet moon girl card
No Series drops datamined? Does that mean nothing is dropping?? 🥶
Drops are never data mined. They just happen in a patch and we get at least two weeks notice. Drops are confirmed coming in December.
No Dormamu yet what is going?
I'm pretty sure that's February
God Bless Everyone
It was only inevitable that with every card to release, Cerebro will fall lower and lower down the totem pole. :c
C5 with Moonstone?
I can’t even open the game anymore! Great patch!
Rocket racoon and jean grey is gonna hurt
Galacta + wasp combo
Hope on 3. Galacta on 4. Galactus on 5. Sheesh.
Really cool Card design. Except for bruce banner, He Looks TERRIBLE
More algorithms for the algorithm god!
At this point I feel there are two completely different teams in Second Dinner making new cards
Theres this boring team that made October and November cards and this other team that made August, September and not December and January
Rian Gonzales Galacta ❤❤❤
Doom is my favorite villain so of course i'll get Doom2099
But that card will revive a jerk: Sandman
Frigga the Banner, then Grand Master the frigga ?