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'Pure negligence' -- Highland Park fire chief criticizes Detroit crews leaving blaze
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2024
- The Highland Park fire chief is furious over a surprising move by Detroit firefighters who were ordered to gather their hoses and depart while a fire raged behind them.
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I guarantee the FIREFIGHTERS are not to blame in this, it the chiefs and administration. I work in an area where on both my career and rural volunteer FD's often worked seamlessly like we were all on one big department. Citizens don't give a damn what name is on the truck that shows up, they just want the emergency dealt with. Any FD that can't work with the neighboring FD's because they get into dick measuring contests should have their leaders go work at McDonalds.
ive seen police do similar things too ...EGO , BUT not the rankand file but the chiefs whip it out ... tiny dicked bastards
Perfectly said.
You think?
The firefighters on scene should have the guts to tell the chief to go fly a kite.
Perhaps Highland park should look in the mirror. Detroit took one of their own stations out of service to lend a hand. Why can’t HP focus on the issue they have with responding rather than blame those who helped? Is Highland Park a woo-woo volunteer department or a professional one? Maybe they should focus on being professionals.
"Why did you tell your firefighters to leave a burning building?"
"Our firefighters got there first. And they're heroes."
Okay. But the question is, why did they leave, not how brave they are.
Those firefighters probably got written-up for "freelance" chasing a lume-up out of the city and endangering their lives to "play hero" in someone elses district.
So… you do something brave and cancel it out by doing something cowardly. Gotcha.
EXACTLY
As a Prior LT of a FD , yes you can pull people out of the building if there is a safety issue but telling them to pack up and leave while the building is still on fire is pure negligence .
Why didn't the local fire dept pick the scene up? Seems that they are the ones negligent. Rememver, the crew that left was outside of their area
The 2 other crews were setting up to take over. Chief could of waited til they were putting water on before packing up
This strikes me as arresting someone and then handing them off to another officer but before they get there you unhandcuff them and say "stay right here till the other guy gets here"
If another department is on scene it's not pure negligence. Pure negligence isn't even a term. They have responsibilites to their own residents and have to get back to station. You can look up how stressed detroit is for firemen and realize this makes perfect sense.
@@tvviewer4500was another alarm broadcasted in Detroit chief area of responsibility....NO...I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT SHUT HYDRANTS DOWN TO CHANGE HOSES.. UNCALLED FOR..EVERY FIREFIGHTER ON DETROIT SIDE SAVING LIVES SHOULD BE AWARDS GIVEN.. CORRECT.. but to endanger vollies changing water supply hoses.. unforgivable 😮😮😮😮
I'm in my 40th year of firefighting and served in every rank from probationary firefighter to Chief of the department, and I'm currently serving the Deputy Chief and there is no way I'd pull my guys out unless there was a damn good reason and then I sure as hell wouldn't pack up and leave, especially if my apparatus is the one with the lines deployed, my apparatus and crew would be committed until released by the IC who has jurisdiction. We have excellent relationships with all the departments around us and we work and train together and if it wasn't for the department names on our turnout gear you'd think it was all one huge department because we keep everything uniform between the departments. We all use the same SCBAs, hose and couplings, extrication equipment and pretty much everything will interchange between departments. It's all about working together for a common goal, our district lines only mean which department gets what tax money, it doesn't matter who shows up first as long as someone does! We have parts of our district that other departments can beat us to and vice versa.
Nobody cares about your fire service career
@@KylesRV Because chasing band aid runs has really proven to be a tremendous success for the fire service, GTFOH…… have fun picking grandma up off the floor covered in poo poo
@NguageTrains I can guarantee you that nobody cares about your no fire service experience comment
@@firefighterpk2440 35 years in Salem Ma L172
People are always going to complain and find fault.😅❤😅 Highland Park will go on and size from the ashes!❤
there's a difference between turning over the scene of a fire to another department that's ready to take over and just abandoning the fire before the other crew is ready
As a former firefighter I can’t say I’m surprised honestly, even though it is shocking. I quit firefighting because the problems that every fire department has: internal politics. I couldn’t take the drama and the consequences of the politics anymore and moved on to something else. It definitely wasn’t the firefighters’ fault for leaving, it was the IC’s
It was my thought this had to be a petty jurisdictional move. Worked with the Fire Marshall's office and that was always an issue on the development level, horrid that it happened at the actual firefighting level.
Oh man. I have never heard of fire fighters abandoning a fire for administrative, budgetary or jurisdictional reasons. Maybe evacuation a building before it collapses but they always form a defensive perimeter to keep the fire from spreading to nearby buildings. This is the first time I have heard of a fire crew leaving a fire scene and risk allowing fire to spread to nearby buildings.
@ph11p3540 a few years ago here, a rural fire dept refused to go to a nearby fire because it was out of their jurisdiction
Endangering other department firefighters without handing off 1st officer arrival 360 size up
This is why Ohio has a state wide mutual aid agreement. If another department requests manpower or equipment you go. If you get called to a scene outside of your area, you handle it until the primary department arrives on scene and then continue to provide help.
I’m a retired fire chief and to hear this is very unacceptable! Firefighters help each other and save lives and property. It doesn’t matter whether it is in a different town or out of your district if you are there first, you do what you should do doesn’t matter what town or district it’s in you are saving lives and property. For God sake, stop the fighting it is stupid. Do your godly thing and help people survive and save their property. Pulling out was the wrong thing to do and for HP to go crazy on Detroit is stupid too. They weren’t there why?🤷♀️ Be an American and look out for One another. 😤🤨
America isn't America anymore.
@@DaleDix you are so right about that! I’m glad that I’m old and retired. I would not want to be starting out in these days.
@@DaleDixif you mean lack of empathy and thinking everyone is out to get your stuff is new? Because part of what plays into the decisions here was the fact that the team lost empathy.
There’s also a tendency of Americans having lost the overall guts to go against their bosses in unison.
These two things are not party specific but an overall American problem. We no longer care about the other person.
Retired or not, we're all still learning- and teaching! It would be different if there were generally more gratitude for this work, and the risks taken to do that work well. We might have met, but I am thankful to you for your work. Good hose.
@@DaleDix OMG you are so right ! This regime for a government we have right now is definitely no good for the country. We need Donald Trump back everybody is hurting no exceptions it is completely out of control
Comon man! Once you have lines laid and water flowing, you just pack up and go? Sounds to me like Detroits Fire Chief needs investigated for assholishness.
Should investigate the local fire dept for not picking up the fire. This was not in the city of Detroit.
Good descriptive word. 👍
@@bobroberts2371You do know there could be multiple reasons Detroit got there first but here is no reason on earth to abandon the fire ground other than safety. You are trying to defend the indefensible and paying no regard to the victims. Shame on you.
@@Biffo1262 Why is it the responsibility of Detroit to provide fire protection to another city that is slow to respond? Detroit WENT INTO THE BURNING BUILDING and rescued people inside. How are these people still victims of the Detroit FD? ?
Once Detroit committed to being there they are there. If they can't follow through then stay in Detroit. @@bobroberts2371
Never in my career have I ever heard of something so crass. How the heck can anyone from the Detroit Fire Dept justify that action. It's selfish, dangerous and demeaning to the fire service in general. i am beyond disgusted. Detroit will now never be trusted because of this action.
You only pull out after the other departments have gotten set up with water flowing on the fire. A few minutes of allowing them to set up wouldn't have caused any harm and would have kept water on the fire !!!
There's ZERO reason to pull your lines out just to bring in lines from another FD. You can switch out crews, but switching lines should NEVER happen, except for a mechanical malfunction.
@@ffjsb exactly, this is a fight between two fire chiefs plain and simple
@@reallovechannel1309 really seems that way!
i agree ,and move out their way drag your hose down the street and pickup ,not right in front come on
That fire chief that told his men to leave that fire needs to be fired never to work for a fire department ever again
Firemen's job is to put out fires... not to play some kind of stupid political games... they should have a Union Vote of NO CONFICENCE for that Chief... that was INSANE...
No, that's not their job. Their job is to save lives and contain fires. There was no stopping this fire and the building would have been a total loss no matter what. Letting it burn was within protocols as no other structures or lives were harmed
@@tvviewer4500their job is also to contain the fire, if everyone leaves, that fire is free to spread to other buildings. they also are there to make sure the fire is out once the building is gone, so they should be waiting to douse the embers.
@@TheAechBomb the other department was on scene dude
@@tvviewer4500I cannot agree with you at all. You do not abandon a fire because YOU consider it isn't worth the effort. The only time you pull is for safety reasons. You attitude is not what I expect from a professional firefighter.
@@tvviewer4500Hey 'dude' the others being on the scene is immaterial. You cannot be any sort of firefighter worthy of the title.
The fire chief for Detroit needs to be held accountable
Yes for his guys saving two lives.. That building was a total loss no matter what.
@abutts02 Wasn't the Fire Chief it was a Battalion Chief for that shift who was not in the wrong in any way because Highland Park chief said it wasn't no line charge but the Detroit Engine waited for HP to charge a line then after that Detroit left after the fire was controlled and HP & Hantramck could handle but due to manpower not being in right spots the fire grew uncontrollably and Detroit was blamed and the public was piss and Highland Park Park chief didn't want the heat. Remind you Detroit has their own Department to cover and Highland Park should be grateful for all the times Detroit helps them.
@@tvviewer4500 it was a total loss when water stopped being used ,of course the fire grew if you listen to the broadcast the reporter says firefighters from all Detroit says they had a stop on it but was pulled out . and the following day it was revealed they lied about saving anybody that came from the renter on camera
the highland park chief who wasn't at that fire (confirmed) had nothing to worry about he didn't pull his crews you should ask some of your Detroit coworkers , that was bs Detroit ,had the front of the house blocked while picking up there hose look at the videos and get the truth although i know that's a bad word in this country now @@user-xi2ry3pk6b
@@BradyJ-zc5tl the water never stopped. Detroit was there until HP was hooked up.
Not being able to properly provide emergency services to your citizens sounds like the real “negligence”to me.
Yes sir
They were simply in the area, hence the early arrival. Did you even watch the whole video? Dumb question, obviously not.
@@mikesimms5750 are you speaking to me or the other commenter if your talking to me your barking at the wrong person plz don’t assume
Welcome to Detroit
Wouldn't expect anything less than what was done, and people wonder why Detroit's in the shape it is....
@@dactsgdaddy8813 don’t confuse the first responders with the clowns in city government. The police and fire employees rank up with some of the best in the world.
I mean to be fair, that house wasn’t going to be saved, and WHERE was the Highland Park fire department? Why isn’t the Chief answering that??
As I said earlier How far from the fire is HP station ? And how far is Detroit nearest station?
The boarder of Detroit is 1 block away. It got called in in Detroit. The updated address was highland park. That's why highland park was late. They were dispatched later
They were literally there
HP does not want Detroit fighting their fires. There is no mutual aid agreement with Detroit and HP.
That is a big issue. I would figure there would be. It appears Detroit has come a long way from dispatching crews by personal cell phone as was the case a few years ago.
It's disgusting
@@michealwhitehead4081 They were given a new dispatch system in 2015 after it became public that the old one was no longer feasible to use. Detroit Fire is actually reasonably well equipped now, but issues with some of their rigs not being the best built, some being out of service due to apparatus related MVAs with drunks, low manpower and less active companies now than just a decade ago is making a tough situation tougher. Its not 2012 levels of tough though, its alot better than it was then.
@@KylesRV Let me correct my statement. They have an in place agreement. However when a fire happens in HP they are assisted automatically by Hamtramck. If they need Detroit it must be approved by certain officials. Now if it's in Hamtramck Detroit is automatically dispatched to assist in that city.In Hp it used to be automatic until an altercation occurred a few years ago.
You know if the DFD guys inside had their way, their reply would be "Nah, Chief, were good. You can take off. We'll let you know when we're back in town. "
You must not know any firemen
Where was HP firefighters?!
they were delayed as they were responding to a medical call.
Right.
So a medical call that might need one engine tied up a whole department?? 🤔
@@jeffdillon8816 Unfortunately, Highland Park's fire department, or rather whats left of it, is very small. Sometimes it takes the ENTIRE department just to staff the entire station for a shift. Usually they only have 1 or 2 rigs staffed and they rely alot of Hamtramck Fire Department for mutual aid.
@@jeffdillon8816 Highland park is very small, I mean a few sq miles small
I'm not a firefighter or have any background to stand on other than what I think should be common sense. I understand handing over the scene, but don't pull lines out until new lines are in to replace what's coming out. Just walking away from an emergency because someone else shows up does not excuse you from damage done due to not making sure the relief is in place.
They have their own residents' properties to worry about
@@tvviewer4500That IS NOT how it works. You think Detroit has only one appliance? Come the day Detroit needs Highland Park and they will, will you take the same stance.😂😂😂
@@Biffo1262 yes, if you have to cover your municipality you have to cover your municipality. Firefighters let structures burn out all the time. You should know this...
@@tvviewer4500that’s not how it works. If you take control of a scene it’s yours until the call is over or your officially hand it off. You don’t just leave when you want to go back home, this isn’t the 1880s anymore
@@Jasper118 it’s exactly how it works. There is no rule that just because you arrived on scene first means you have to stay until the fire is over. Where are you getting this nonsense?
It would be just a terrible thing if the chief who called those firefighters out of that fire. Had his house catch on fire and some how the roads to his house were blocked off.
First off...slow your roll on passing out medals for someone doing their job. All of those firefighters from both cities have hero credit. The problem here was not them but the two knuckle head captains that let attitude and disdain for one another get in the way of doing the best job that it could have been done. To shut down operations without a proper hand off was a complete failure on both fire houses.
Two guesses on what side of the political spectrum runs this city.... but you'll only need one.
both ? all Highland Park did was show up to fight the fire , when dispatched to it . Highland park had no idea Detroit was there until they got on scene and you see the footage there was nothing to hand over Detroit was already picking up line. this wasn't a turf war this was arrogance 101 by Detroit.
Sadly in the end, the citizens house fully burnt down. That responsibility falls on both houses. Excuses for a failed response is unacceptable. There should be a SOP (standard operating procedures) on how handle these situations in the future. First house on the scene is primary and does not leave a active fire. Any others houses are there in a supportive roll. Yes BOTH! @@BradyJ-zc5tl
Even us volunteers work together with other departments. Never have we ever pulled out. If one department has a fire they call us to standby at their station, to handle their other calls. This is ridiculous.
That building was a complete loss anyway. Once they get all the people out, they shouldn't go inside. It's too dangerous and not worth it. Firefighters die all the time trying to save property instead of people. There are very few things of value that could survive being dunked in water even if the fire didn't destroy it. There was clearly no risk to nearby buildings or property.
Jurisdictional conflicts like this happen all the time. I worked for a Fire District as a resident firefighter in the 1980's. We had a shared state border with another State/County where they had a contract firefighting agency. You purchase a response contract and they will come, if not your house burns. We were dispatched to a fire erroneously on the Stateline Road. Got there and it was definitely not in our jurisdiction. The paid responders were on the way. We put down lines and started fighting the flames, they showed up and refused to do anything as the owners were not on their list. We put the fire out anyway. Absolutely disgusted by these wipes. Total disregard for life and property. Detroit erred. It is much like CPR. Once you start doing it you don't stop until the event is concluded. Either by the other responding agency entering parallel to your men and equipment or formally asking for a mutual aid response which if accepted will cover liability as well as manpower costs to be billed later. But no one leaves the scene until the fire is out.
let me guess initials we RM?
this wasn't a jurisdictional issue, this was an arrogant Detroit acting chief 5 who should be fired , they have mutual aid agreements look it up , which covered jurisdictional , and the city of Detroit in less than 100 feet behind that building don't give me that jurisdictional bs
Hang on a minute, was this a mutual aid fire? Was this building a total loss already? How many units from Highland Park were on the scene? Detroit's job is to protect Detroit, was there a larger incident needing their attention back home? There are a LOT of questions here.
It was a "drive by" and saw it situation so they were there immediately. When the HP turned up they handed over before HP were ready. They saved two people, which is good. But why would a chief leave before HP was ready? was it a political decision? It doesn't make sense. There's a lot of questions, yes.
that makes a little more sense, thanks@@DaleDix
What the hell is wrong with those people? Life in America today!
Its called mutual aid here in Pa. We have alot more all volunteer than paid, but everyone works together to mitigate the call.
Typical case of politics being put before whats best for the community. Both highland park and detroit chiefs should be ashamed of how they handled this, and from what i understand, incidents in the past as well.
It was already a complete loss.
well the highland Park chief wasn't there (confirmed) , and he should have done what ? when the news approached him - that's wrong to shift the blame on him this was Detroit's screw up period .its ok to tell Detroit they were wrong. Hell he was nicer than i would have been
The union pulled them out. Being a retired firefighter near a large city, I have seen this before where union firefighters ignore their brotherhood of trust all at the altar of their union.
You can most certainly handoff an incident (whether it is in your jurisdiction or not)….once the other department is set up to safely transfer and handle the incident. Detroit could have easily held the line for a few more minutes so the incident could have safely been handed off. Complete negligence on Detroits chief’s part.
I have a few questions with being in the fire service for 35 years. Was DFD called to the fire? Listening to the reporter, sounds as if they may have seen the smoke and responded on their own, making saves. However, this may leave the area they are responsible for improperly covered. Also, sounds as there are issues between these agencies. There is a process for turning a scene over to another agency. Many, many questions.
it sounds like they were just driving by
I listened to this on Live Dispatch. All 3 departments we dispatched. The 3 have an Automatic Aid Agreement going back roughly 9 years. Commish. Simms doesn't know what he's talking about when he says they only respond when requested. Highland Pk & Hamtramck both respond inside the city of Detroit. They all cross borders with response zones. Detroit leadership made a bad call and what's sad is the Commish. and the Union are backing the decision. Who cares about the people all 3 agreed to help out. I will give you there is a time that the incident should be turned over to the Authority Having Jurisdiction. At this fire it happened to soon.
No they just saw it and went. The others were not ready to handover.
So DFD was NOT assigned to the call, had no mutual aid agreement with HPFD, DFD officer on the engine made the decision to go and ended up rescuing people and HPFD still wasn’t ready after all that? If all that is true, I believe people are getting mad at the wrong agency. DFD took a big risk leaving their area unprotected. If they had been assigned under a mutual aid agreement, coverage for the area normally covered would have been provided. What if DFD had another incident that required that equipment and staffing? There is a lot to look at. Hard to look at it in the big picture unless you’ve had to sit in the role of chief. Sounds like the administrators need to sit down and hash out these issues. The most important thing was lives were saved. Had DFD not jumped the fire, lives sound like they would have been lost. What took HPFD so long to get there and get setup? Were they expecting DFD to do their job for them? I just don’t know. I don’t have a horse in the race, just seen this type of political responses in my time.
You still don't abandon a fire you are committed to. The OIC reports the fire and must wait for mobilising before responding. Once committed, officially or not you stay until relieved. No excuses
This absolutely doesn’t surprise me at all. Do we remember when departments where making residents pay an additional service fee each year, on top of property taxes. If you didn’t pay it, they wouldn’t show up. That happened to a few people, they lost everything
It was in Highland Park. Why did Detroit get there, evacuate the building, and start putting out the fire, before HP even showed? Once the slacking HP department arrived, Detroit turned it over to them. If Detroit didn't show, not only would the building be gone, people would have died.
Whats the capital of Detroit?
@@Happypucks How is this even a legit question? Go back to school.
@Stargazzer811 We used to say Highland Park was the capital of Detroit in the 1980s. We had alot of character. Not sure if computerized educated people would know that. I guess not
@@Happypucks I feel the need to apologize. I didn't know that, and I grew up in Detroit. Sorry bout the tude, just real protective of the home town, ya know?
@@Stargazzer811 Back before it was outsourced, not remotely close the same place
It’s not going above and beyond for a firefighter to crawl into a burning house. It’s their job and duty lol
DEFINITELY messed up. Or would be like a cop going in the neighboring town and see an armed robbery ave start the foot chase and then stop because he sees that other department pulling up so he stops chasing the criminal and turns and walk back the opposite way.
Not Detroit’s jurisdiction. It is Highland Park’s jurisdiction. Chief made the right call.
They responded faster because they were closer. Don't make it seem like those other 2 departments didn't get there right after they did.....never heard of a fire department pulling their firefighters out and letting the fire get out of control. You then put a spokesman for the other department who is justifying the wrong they did. Cowards!
I don't know the politics behind it, but Detroit has been being dispatched to Highland Park for box alarms like automatic mutual aide for several years. I think Detroit dispatch also handles dispatching Highland Parks calls. There's most likely some bad blood flowing somewhere for the chief to make this call. 🤷♂️
Detroit has been dispatching Highland Park since the 80's that's nothing new,
A lot of political game playing going on both by Detroit Fire Dept and some folks here who think that fire departments can do no wrong. I don't think there can be any defense to leaving a burning building and just letting it burn, period. And note how the spokesman for Detroit never answered the question about why they left, he just tap danced around that question. He wanted to play the "hero" card, but in my book no hero leaves as they did.
Some structure fires actually are safest if left to their own devices. I'm not saying this one was, just that there is a reason to more or less not fight the fire sometimes!
@@ThatsMrAwesomesauceIt’s hard to see the surroundings from the clips here but a lot of that area is pretty dense with buildings. They’ve lost whole blocks in Detroit because one took off and caught the one next to it and so on. That would be my concern with just letting it go.
We should all pause and see what else comes out. There are a million factors and there’s no way to know where real time audio matches up to the video. This may have been a questionable call or it may have been a switch from offensive with people inside to defensive once the only lives at stake were the firefighters. We need the “why” and the conditions when this call was made. A single crew ceasing operations should not lead to a total collapse of scene operations. The Chief sounds pretty old school on the radio and not knowing the SOP of the DFD or their normal radio traffic, it is nearly impossible to accurately judge this with the information at hand.
Thank you for your comment. I'm an ex file clerk and it's a pretty good bet what the initial and final valuation of that building would have been after an incident risking both tenant and first responder lives.
I do not have a problem with the trade Fire Chief turning the scene over the Highland Park. Having said that, Detroit would've only had to stick around for maybe 10 minutes or less while Highland Park got water flows onto the building to continue what Detroit had already gotten partially done. By not letting them keep putting water on there they cost the entire building so in the end I call BS on Detroit fire chief.
Imagine if multiple police depts showed up..engaged in a shootout with a gang and officers from a dept a neighboring city just holstered up and left...that chief needs a pension free exit
Well....that's Detroit for you.
In Ancient Rome the first firefighters were officially established. They would prevent fire from spreading to other buildings but would only work on the property fire itself if they were first paid by the homeowner. That any modern Firefighting organisation has reached such a low they simply allow a fire to burn whilst they leave the scene is mind-blowing and shows how low we've fallen.
how did detroit respond faster than highland park? sounds like highland park was slacking.
Could have happened for lots of reasons, including the local station already being out on another call... either way, to cut and run is a pretty scummy thing to do.
Right. It was their job, and Detroit assisted until Highland Park was able to take over their responsibilities. Does Highland Park now want Detroit to be responsible for their city?
There are a lot of things happening . Why was Detroit faster ? Where is the Highland Park fire station from the fire? Maybe the Highland Park is miles away and the Detroit is only blocks away. But why didn’t Detroit wait till there was water from Highland Park flowing on the fire . And Detroit saying they saved life’s is awesome but why didnt they try to save the building ?
Maybe Detroit was faster because their fire station was closer
@randonjackson574 Highland Park was on a medical call so they had a delayed response its easy to do that when you only have 1 truck in service.
Whatever happened to mutual aid, Detroit FD Chief should be held accountable. Stop focusing on the employees, focus on the DF Chief.
So the union guy tried to make it seem like they left because it wasn’t their jurisdiction and weren’t responsible for putting out the fire but they sent the Detroit fire crews to respond 🤔literally Makes no sense because why would you send or assign them to the fire in the first place if you were going to do such a thing???.
They didn't send them. It states they observed the heavy smoke and responded on their own initiative.
Same thing they responded to the fire so why leave in a unprofessional and reckless manner you don’t start life saving measures on a person then stop because someone said another doctor or medic is on the way you continue the life saving measures until they’re on scene and pass off the responsibility to them same with this fire anyone with common sense can see why what they did is wrong.
Both fire companies should have continued to work together, mutual aid. Where I come from, and I am a past Chief, all companies work together until the fire is out. By one Chief and his fire fighters leaving an active scene, literally dumping the responsibility, he doubled the dangerous situation. I have no respect for that Chief who dumped and ran.
highland park did nothing wrong they responded when they were called , and didnt back away .the issue is detroit not highland park
This all boils down to juristiction. The first Fire Department was first to arrive (as is part of the job). Same Fire Department to quit due to fire not being in their zone. The Fire Department Cheif needs to next time leave the water hose & bill the county "IF" said hose was damaged. This is why the Federal Juristiction should go out the damn window! Or better yet "Chief" stay in own zone or help till the fire is out! That Department if not the State should fire & black-list said cheif.
I was in a similar situation where our dept went to a fire out of town and got there before the town with jurisdiction, but no. We did not leave the scene even after they arrived. It was a tractor trailer fire on an interstate. We had the bulk almost completely knocked before they had a hose charged. Pick up your brothers!
Highland park has made it clear they do not want detroit on their scenes. The only reason they are playing the victim is because they were inadequate at putting their fire out and want to pass the blame onto someone else. That department has a history of practices like that.
And I thought Detroit have enough problems with fires, hope this isn't 'politics'
It’s called, hiring idiots that have no idea what they are doing…..it’s an epidemic now!
Can you see what would happen if Highland park did this same thing to a fire in Detroit?
Nothing says "deflection" like highlighting the lives saved, and side-stepping the issue at hand.
even worse they lied about the saves ,there is another news clip where the actual residents flat out said Detroit did not save them
Yeah, you have to put the hose on nothing sometimes just because of public relations and perception
I’m surprised the on scene crews were ok with doing that
They'll be fired.
Lol not everybody is a gun slinging break rules cowboy.
@@pigjubby1 Extremely true!
Hopefully the Chief gets suspended. We are all supposed to work together....no borders. Stupid. I'm glad our Union doesn't have a person like this thinking it is ok to abandon a fire.
They not only took their hoses away but blocked the Highland Park crews from getting to the scene. That is even more inexcusable. I can understand pulling the crew out when the people were out, but to block the road for 15 minutes so your trucks had a clear path? While another department was trying to get in? They should have just pulled over and let them go by. The aftermath of this is probably a lawsuit against the city for gross negligence. The incompetence of the Detroit command staff needs to be addressed and people held accountable. That said, it’ll never happen because the union won’t let it happen.
Go back to highland park and have the chief define mutual aid agreement and then ask if they have one with Detroit. Can’t have it both ways. Can’t refuse to be mutual aid for Detroit and then complain when Detroit honors that arrangement
Maybe I'm not up to date on these things but were I come from the states has a master mutual aide agreement that starts at the county level. If there is not a enough aide then it goes out to the region. None of this each city has to have a mutual aide agreement with each other. If the call goes out for mutual aide in a city /county , any one that can respond will say we have available units to send and how many do you need ?
This was all 100% preventable. Problem is you have incompetent people in Detroit's Fire Dept. and NO ONE is holding them accountable. ALL fire personnel in America take an oath to serve at their fullest and you NEVER EVER abandon mutual aid service. Your duty is to save people and property...period. NOTHING logical can be said why a DFD would do this insane/cowardly move. They all need to be fired on the DFD side that called their crews out. Pathetic but not surprising. Do your homework, as DFD has a pure history of incompetence, ignorance and the worst leadership in any FD in our Country. Unacceptable and asinine that they did this to Highland Park. Heads must roll at DFD.
So glad I live in a small county surrounded by Volunteer Firefighters. They Always work together. I feel for the firefighters ordered to stop/leave- goes against their reason for being there. Their chief has to go!!😤 Handoff is a pathetic excuse for ignorance😠
In my block there are 3 volunteers and the fire station is a 10 min walk
Detroit Fire department chief should be fired no one leave 🔥 no matter what area need take care of fire ,people not burn off other area. Bad leadership in fire department.
No one is arguing the firefighters are wrong here at all. The blame is on the chief, NOT his men
Wow, I was a volunteer firefighter for PGFD. It’s been plenty of times when we crossed the line and went into DC because there station was out fighting a fire 🔥 or we heard the call come over the radio and then they finally sent units but we never picked up our hose or end the fight. we work together brothers and sisters we all fight the same dragon 🐉 fire and save lives and property YOU cannot blame the Detroit fire department who is that blame right now is the chief what a disgrace you are what if just what if there was somebody steal trapped in there or another firefighter trap would you leave them? Would you pull out you are disgrace to the department. 😢😢😢
Someone needs to go to prison over this! Specifically the Detroit Fire chief. This is disgusting!
This is obviously a chief with an ego problem. Pulling out of a job like that is criminally negligent.
Glad I never experienced anything like this when I was active volunteering with my local department. Always saw good relations with neighboring towns here.
Why should tbere be medals handed out to someone doing there job
A HUGE Fire Service Don't. Niether Fire Dept. did anything to stop the fire from burning the entire structure. Detroit was wrong for not transitioning from an interior fire attack to a defensive attack. I mean, how petty it was for the Detroit Battalion Chief to order a "Pick Up" of his fire companies while the building was clearly well involved in smoke and flames. The fire could have spread to the neighboring building and burned it to the ground. Both Fire Departments are at fault for not providing one another mutual aide in a time of need.
Chief Hughes
Battalion 1 (ret)
Chicago FD
Fire the Chief should be fired no pun intended lol
Medals should be given for people doing their jobs 🤯🤔?… abandoning a very large fire in a residential area is beyond negligence! What an age we live in!
This is the police equivalent of stopping a domestic violence assault and waiting for the agency with jurisdiction. Then seeing them pull up in the drive way and telling the couple that was just at each other’s throats that they should be in any minute bye!
This is absolutely insane!
Edit: if this doesn’t showcase “upside down” world nothing will!
The issue isn't that they left the fire... The issue is they left the fire BEFORE the other crews were putting water on it. Had they waited a few more minutes until the other crews were in place this would be a much different conversation. Clearly the safety of the other crews were not a priority to Detroit.
It occurred in Highland Park and was the responsibility of Highland Park and not Detroit . Maybe Highland Park has a history of corruption and habitually takes their time knowing Detroit or Hamtramck will do the work for them. Blaming Detroit for their own lack of diligence in their own city sounds suspect.
A firefighters job is to : FIGHT FIRE ! Perion . No matter what , you should do your job or get fired . You don`t leave the scene before the job is done ! Shame on the chiefs .
HP should BE GRATEFUL
How terrible for the people that lived there! I hope that fire chief is held accountable..... and why cant the people get answers without talking to a union representative? We need answers from Detroit Fire, not a union.
This area doesn’t pay for Detroit fire services. Be glad they showed up ! And before the other departments did . That they pay taxes for . This happens a lot . Looks like they should be thanking them for making a grab !
@@JS-zb1vv Don't need to pay for decent fire protection. Detroit Fire, while not welcome in Highland Park, will respond regardless because thats the proper thing to do. Firemen save lives, they don't worry about politics. Thats for the department admins to hash out.
@@Stargazzer811 I agree that that’s what firemen do! But the politics told them to pull out so they did .
That house was a loss once the fire started. Detroit did it's job, saved the people. The Highland Park chief saying Detroit taking water away destroyed the house is a total LIE. The house was a loss the minute the fire started, that building never would've been repaired even if the fire was small. Learn to put blame where blame is due, Highland Park was slow to arrive, that is the real problem.
what's a lie is you keep spreading this lie about Detroit saving someone , the residents who lived there said Detroit did not save them , and i know you obviously hate facts Highland Park responded when dispatched you say this BS as if they all responded together . Detroit was there 1st because they were already around the block on a call ,get your facts straight .@@71sixpak
With the creed firefighters have, I just can't see them pulling up anchor and leaving...... Has to be more to it.
This seems to be the right call. Detroit left their jurisdiction and saved the people inside and when highland park got there they left. I don’t get why highland park blames Detroit for the house being a total loss. It was a total loss the minute the fired took off.
So did they just pickup and leave or did they pull out to get ready for a defense exterior attack, I need to see the entire video
The video said they packed up and left the scene.
well what you can see with what's shown is Detroit blocking the front of the building picking up hose
If it had been for safety concerns, okay fine… That’s what you do. But to leave other firefighters there to battle the blaze WHILE they’re battling the blaze, while you roll up and roll out without the other agency saying “its good, we got it from here” … thats a f^cking disgrace
If anyone actually reads into this, the fire was technically in Highland Park however, Detroit FD got to it first and THEN Highland Park showed up, because it is technically Highland Parks fire (being it’s in there district) Detroit FD left.
Which is fine if Highland Park was setup and ready to take over but that doesn’t appear to be the case.
Sounds like Highland Park Fire Department needs to be better and do there job better. The city was turning it over to the agency whos fire it actual was. Highland messed up and let it burn.
Show us the condition of the structure when crews were ordered to evacuate. Based on the news video, there would have been no possibility of interior attack.
If firefighting and policing were left up to private companies these problems will fix themselves. Government run agencies are bloated and inefficient. Private companies would be held responsible for their negligence unlike public servants who get praise, a paid vacation, promotion and a raise when they are negligent.
Sounds like the incompetent district chief probably got his feelings hurt by Highland Park firefighters. Been watching posted videos and documentaries of DFD for years, its obviously a disgruntled and lazy fire department. But I know the members have been mistreated by their corrupt so called city leaders for decades. However, that doesn't give them a reason to provide such sloppy and slow attitudes when arriving at fires. Their district chiefs are supposed to lead by example, they are to lazy to even wear PPE themselves.
Highland Park FD has minimal staffing but runs circles around DFD with a fully assigned complement of apparatus and personnel.
Whatever happened to mutual aid? Makes you wonder who the Detroit Fire Chief is & how he/she got into that position. Pulling a crew out during an active fire is unbelievable.
and they have an agreement already in place look it up
That chief will loose his job and that department will get sued.
Instead of blaming another agency, you should look in the mirror.
Someone needs to get their 💩 together. This is not an unusual situation. Each station has a response area. If a neighboring fire crew responds first to a fire in your area, a hand off of command comes as soon as the home crew is on scene. I don't know why this fire chief is whinning? Lives were saved. Take the win.
Legend has it that a small group of fire fighters took out their fiddles and played Seven Nation Army as the fire burned
Above and beyond? That's your job... If you baked cookies at the same time you're putting out the fire, that's above and beyond...
and NOTHING will be done about this crappy chief!!!!
A charged hose should stay that way until the fire is out or danger makes you leave !
You don’t turn over something until the other crew is ready to take over. Medals to go into the fire. Um isn’t that their job. They weren’t forced into taking that job. They volunteered. I don’t blame the fire fighters (kind of). They listen to their chief. But if you believe that the order is unjustified/unlawful then it is your duty to disobey that order regardless of the consequences.
Apparently, competence is no longer a requirement when promotions are considered.
Heroes, what a joke. They should all lose their jobs for neglect of duty and that chief should be criminally charged.
Maybe highland park should pay the water bill first.
It's not the middle finger but here you go 👎😂
@hassanabdul9038 so what you are saying everyone in highland park is above the law in the water bill. Or it OK for your department to show up late. Maybe next time Detroit just will not come.
@@jasonlyijnen84 I'm not saying that, I had my Water cut off intentionally and still paid on my Water Bill afterwards to Avoid a Debt and when I went to get it turned back on Summer 2022 they came at me with a Water Bill for over $2,000 while I had all the paperwork from them having to come out and turn it off previously. My Water Bill was only less than $600 and I told the lady at the Water Department that and basically she remembered alot of it but still did nothing about it