Perfect Moments in "Bad" Movies
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1:10 fellas, don't you hate when women kick you out of the house after you break in at night.
yeah, I think ill unsub instead. cya
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The sandman scene just tells you that Raimi actually wanted Spider-Man 3 to be about sandman and not the venom/symbiote story
It would've been a cool anti-hero movie tho
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Fun fact: Flint Marcos clothes and body turned into sand, but the locket stayed the same because it protected the photo in actual metal. Which is just a smooth mineral. A big grain of sand.
And glass, which is just cooked sand.
Shhhh you aren’t supposed to think about these things
Metal is metal, minerals are oxides (sand being one of them). Would make more sense to think only organic matter transformed into sand
The real reason that it didn’t get turned into sand is that it was an important plot device.
How about his belt buckel?
The symbolism in the Sandman scene is simple, but it hits hard.
He's falling apart, until he remembers his daughter, and that figuratively and literally helps him pull himself together.
All for her
Beautiful.
Oh I didn't see that angle, thank you
Bro what the hell are you TRYING to make me cry?
Kinda like Eminem and his kid.
@@wilhelmkreis6578prolly
honestly the sandman scene is easily the best single scene out of spiderman 3. its not just him pulling himself together, its a visual metaphor for his entire motivation. pulling himself up he feels dread, believing he's now a forever changed monster. then he sees the locket, the one thing that survived the machine. everything but that one connection he had turned to sand, he reaches for it but cant get it, needing to try again to grasp it. that one thing, as small as it seems, gives him the strength to pull himself back together and escape the sand pit. even pummeled to his lowest point he finds the strength to keep going in his family
I believe him physically pulling himself together works as symbolism for how he’s also mentally pulling himself together, initially without any motivation or any real reason to try. Then he sees the locket and immediately he’s given a reason to physically and mentally pull himself together for the sake of his family.
Sure but Peter dancing is pretty funny also
I personally like the scene where Peter is sleep listening to the cop radio as the symbiote takes over and he wakes up on the skyscraper music was so dope
"From unconscious unknowing, to horrified sentience, to determination and ultimately self-actualization."
*Dude that's me waking up every morning.*
I'm lucky if I make it as far as determination most mornings, usually just coast on the waves of horror until the next day.
@@Tw0DrunkGuys Hope you feel better about things someday. I've struggled with getting up & going with enthusiasm, but I'd like to think I'm getting better. I smile and look foward to what's to come a bit more now.
I often get stuck at the horrified sentience.
@@Lambda_Ovine That's what you get for leaving the unconscious unknowing, though.
I just stay at step 2.
"Because with art, the opposite of good is just uninteresting"
Thank you for this line, it's something I've been thinking of for a while now but couldn't put it into words
it's a good point
I'm also grateful for that
In a similar vein, "the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference"
@@azure_antlers adam neely moment :D
And it's the same the other way! The meaning of 'good' art is just . . . meaning.
I really like "reachy" analysis. I love the fact that little things that weren't supposed to mean anything can mean so much in the end anyways.
yeah, people are like "it's not that deep" but sometimes it is and even if it isn't, art is still about what you get out of it, it doesn't matter if something was intentional or not
@@salty_3k506Sometimes the curtains aren't just blue, to quote. This channel!
I know its a one year old comment, but I entirely agree. An entire landscape defining movement in the history of art is based solely not on a preset meaning to the art itself, but it being designed for an endless variety of ways to be interpreted and influence people's emotions.
What I love is that this kind of interpretation is personal, and thus can apply to _any_ art, no matter how “bad” society deems it. For that reason, I can’t bring myself to write off any art completely (unless there’s an ethical issue).
Just in case someone/OP wants to know this, there is actually a theoretical and analytical basis for this. Death of the Author by Roland Barthes should be your next read if you need to quantify your reasoning beyond “the curtains aren’t just blue”.
I cant explain it. But when he said "A SURREAL reminder that sand... is actually just tiny little rocks" I could not stop laughing.
it is just very funny
I know, theres nothing mind blowing or surreal about sand being tiny rocks lmfao
You must be high, or stupid to find the obvious funny 😒
@@CrazyFanaticMan it kind of blows my mind lol
@@user-nf9xm7is3m It is definitely a cool fact but like, we've known this for a while now though 😂
As a VFX artist, I appreciate this video so much. I am beyond tired of the "CGI bad practical good" bandwagon online, and I really appreciate the fact that you took the time to point out that no, we do not simply click the "make CGI" button and high-five each other while waiting for the computer to do everything. Visual effects are as much an art as any other part of a movie, and I think that if people were more open to seeing them as such, they'd realize just how much thought and effort goes into them. I also think they'd be surprised at how many invisible effects there are in modern movies, and that it'd help put in perspective the scope of the work we actually do.
That being said, I'll be the first to agree that CG can quickly become boring visual noise in the wrong hands. VFX are a tool to enhance the story, same as the cinematography or score, but a lot of modern big budget movies tend to use them to cover up the fact that they lack an interesting story to begin with. The Sandman scene could have easily been a huge bombastic CGI transformation with the character yelling in pain and everything turned up to 11, but there was a conscious choice to revel in a quiet, real moment, which, like Jacob mentioned, grounds the VFX more than any photoreal texture could.
GCI is an art form like any other and sadly, it can easily be overlooked. And as you said, it can easily suffer.
Because like any art direction it can easily be ruined.
Looking at critiques of cgi online is an endless exercise in patience for us vfx-artists. People don't understand and don't want to understand how the process works, and what makes good cg vs bad cg, and how it oftentimes is outside of the control of the vfx-studio itself. I work with mostly commercials, not movies, but we struggle all the time with limited time and manpower, and most frustrating of all, outright bad clients/directors. Recently we made short movie where the director and client just didn't like anything we did, they didn't want the fx to have motionblur, or grain, or lightwraps or lenseffects, they pushed dreadful flat shot compositions and forbid us to match the shots between each other to help the edit work. It was an absolute travesty and the movie is one of the ugliest we made, but not due to any fault of our own. My supervisor almost worked himself to death trying to make it look good, but the client shot him down every time. The director and the client wanted an ugly movie, because of bad taste or ignorance, and we had to deliver. I imagine that's the case more often than people think.
Conversely, having a brilliant director is a godsend, even if they're tough, cause they know what they want and they know what will look good.
@@Benjamin_Kraft The client and director deserves to always have legos in their shoes.
You guy's time doesnt deserve to have been wasted like that. Like, not even matching up shots?? Y e e s h
This is why I really gotta thank Corridor for doing that "CGI artists react" series. i used to think practical was always better, until they explained what made CGI a wonderful tool to enhance story telling.
@@PashaSherko Dude that series is one of the best. I've always been an advocate of CGI in films and their series is an absolute masterclass in what makes it work. I feel like I've seen less people complaining about CG since they started the series
That entire sandman scene is almost like a short movie. The type you find late at night on RUclips in some weird compilation video together with 5 other short movies.
I will tell you why the Birth of Sandman was so moving. The musical score, the direction the camera moves and focuses, the character - the person - we know to be emerging from that pile of previously inanimate sand. That was a hero's origin scene. It isn't until the very last seconds that the score turns, the determination becomes cold and menacing and the camera moves down to show the character looming over it, that we finally get our villain.
Yes indeed! All of the other villain-origin scenes in the trilogy are horrifying, violent moments that result in someone's loss of self, loss of power. Flint Marko, like Spidey, doesn't lose that sense of who he is; indeed, it only propels him toward his purpose.
Another great scene in a otherwise pretty mid movie is the black and white fight scene from Thor: Love and Thunder, not a bunch of flashy camera work, and every time one of the main characters uses their powers, it brings color into a colorless world, it's really beautiful and great, and just awesome.
How? You don't think it was corny and so over explained, not even in the slightest? I feel like the only people who think this scene is gold is because they only watch action superhero movies, and then, I'd agree that it's probably the only good scene in one but it's still so literal. A five year could figure out the meaning but people think it's so moving when it's not even in the same realm of actual films. The first Spiderman movie didn't have this corniness and overdramatic scenes. It was more of a drama.
@@aspenisthebesti like how you're putting "actual films" on a pedestal whlle subsequently calling this great scene "corny". Pick a lane. Let's see then, what are some of these "actual films" that you're oh so praiseworthy of? Willing to bet they're filled with corny scenes too
@@Pyxyty by actual films I’m talking about movies that were made with a great love for filmmaking or ones like parasite that were loved by everyone and the academy/critics. Action and superhero movies are not an art form. They are literally known for their corniness and one liners and something that’s surface level since it’s made for young boys to easily understand or shocking action scenes they call “badass” so I don’t know why you think that offensive.
What I noticed about the shot of the locket was how strikingly it looked like a scallop shell on a beach. A beach, the place life first made its way onto land. A beach, made of wholly abiotic material with a reminder of life, a shell, in it.
I haven't seen the Matrix sequels but I noticed that Jacob mentioned the hovercraft lacking recognizable physics. That makes the cloud scene even better because the hovercraft has that little bit of hang time, reminiscent of a breaching whale. It drives home the feeling that there is a real world left, that we get to see for just a second before going back to robot squid nightmare land. We even get the relief of real physics for a second before going back to floating, zooming explosions.
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It's similar to the calm one may feel after simply turning off the television. You never realize how much chaos and darkness it's shouting into your life until it's gone.
@@keamu8580 wow that's weird how much I agree with that, you just sit their in silence in a room and just kinda let the reality of everyday objects come into view and realise how fake the screens are, how mesmorising they are to distract you.
I think your comment, and mine are a bit over the top but it has merit nonetheless
As he was saying the hovercraft lacks recognizable physics, I was thinking... it looks like the physics of being underwater. And the hovercraft is designed like a submarine. And it's shining headlights around the ocean floor, I mean the ground, in the same way some iconic images of submarines do.
And then yeah, it breached the surface of the clouds like it jumping out of water. They clearly modeled everything in the previous scenes to make like the real world behave like deep ocean.
@@Ditocoaf I personally think they did a good job representing a huge heavy metal ship that's supporting its weight using magnetic repulsion pads. The way it sways and leans so heavily into its turns and changes direction rather poorly, induction causing arcs everywhere as the pads get too close to metal.
I found the sandman clip without having ever seen the movie. I immediately liked the visuals, the gradual formation of the human figure was thrilling. Thought it must be one of those cool blender demos or something. Then scrolled down to the title and went "Wait, Spiderman!?"
It does give off that “developing vfx with a shitload of potential” vibe
It was always my opinion that sandman should have been the sole villain of the film. His disposition as a criminal yet sympathetic character matches with that of the first two movies, and I think it would have made for a much more emotional film. The center around family, and parents and children would have fit in with not just peter and the sandman, but also Harry and the loss of his father. Bring Peter back to his roots on why he does what he does, saving people. And it would have been fantastic to have more focus on a more overlooked antagonist- and it could have been visually stunning in its choreography, and acting.
They had an opportunity to pull on an Audience’s heartstrings in a very beautiful way, and I think it was missed in favor of trying to do too much at once and include character conflict and action that wasn’t necessary or was approached the wrong way.
Also, if there would have been no Venom, there would have been no emo dance. All of the cringeist parts of the movie was because of Venom.
As a massive Venom fan, and as a person who loved every second of Venom in that film, I wholeheartedly agree that this should’ve been a Sandman story. Looking back when I was a kid, I remember this scene in particular making me tear up more than once, but I never understood fully why until now I think. It’s such a powerful scene of a man trying to hold the pieces of life together at the same time he’s holding himself together.
I've struggled for a few minutes to find the words to express how this video makes me feel. As someone who has only been seriously critically analyzing film for a few years, I have had an entire childhood and some adulthood spent just...enjoying film. Watching movies, and falling in love with the art form. So when I started to take film analysis courses in college, for no other reason than to enhance my current hobby, I found myself stunned by how many of my favorite films were considered "bad". So many beautiful moments, incredible scenes, perfect casting choices, so many things that had cemented in my mind a love for cinema, reduced to mediocrity. "it doesn't accomplish anything" "it's mindless blockbuster fodder", "it does not succeed in saying something meaningful". I heard these things said about movies I had adored for years, films I had held in the highest regard because of what they meant to me not as a critic but as a person. And as I read theories and discussed academic filim analysis with my peers, and was continuously met with pushback for my philosophies on what makes movies "good" or "bad", and experienced paranoid reading after paranoid reading of beloved franchises and classics of the medium, I began to form my own theories, come to terms with my own feelings on the art form; There are no "bad" movies. There are no "good" movies. Are there objective markers of quality, effort, and talent that CAN be analyzed, picked apart, and critiqued at an academic level? Yes, certainly. But to perform such a dissection on a piece of art is to lose something, to miss some key part of its value. Films are not zero-sum games; to find 5 "good" scenes and 95 "bad" ones does not make a movie 5% "good". It is precisely in the 5 good scenes that you have just discounted as "not enough to make up for the rest" in which the film's value can be found. Movies are a collection of scenes, but they are more than the sum of their parts. anything you can cling to , anything you can find, any moment no matter how small and insignificant it may feel, has value, and has meaning. A film does not have to break new grounds or showcase some new perspective or break some mold or be reminiscent of "true cinema". It CAN, of course, do any number of those things. But what a film HAS to do is make you feel something. Anything. The value of a movie is about how it makes you feel, why it makes you feel those things.
This video captured something deep within me that I thought I had forgotten, something quashed by years of canned, same-day film reviews for every major blockbuster. In a world of paranoid readings, I had always found the most truth and value in the reparative readings of media. In a world where cynicism and contrarian opinions are bold and exciting, I had yet to meet another who understood that a single scene CAN make a movie, a single scene can and does deserve our recognition. Perfection comes not from fulfilling some arbitrary set of requirements that we insist upon our media; it comes from making us feel something...cathartic. Something poignant, and yet something we could not place with the words of human language. To be perfect is to resonate, resonate with anything, with something.
Thank you for this wonderful experience
THIS is the kind of viewpoint I'd like to see more of when talking about not only movies, not even just media and art itself, but all aspects of our existence. I have also seen so much negativity and critique directed at things that I truly love and hold dear (good examples in my case being my favourite anime, Infinite Stratos, and my favourite car, the Nissan Skyline GT-R R34) that I've started noticing myself mimicking these behaviours and taking a critical stance to almost everything. What I've lost in the process is the ability to truly enjoy something, to see things from the bright side and to have a sense of hope. I would never want to hinder someone from expressing their views on something, yet I can't deny the fact that continued exposure to a certain mindset can and will change you for better or worse. When you change that mindset from one that, in the case of movies, feels with the characters, treats them as humans and takes part of the wisdom so many stories do their best to portray to one that simply critically analyses them, takes joy in finding their flaws and sees their characters as nothing more than the work performed by a professional, I think you lose something very important. Something intangible, indescribable. Your feelings.
oh my fucking god that is a long essay
This is exactly what I also feel. I've been always a watcher whether it is movies, tv shows, anime etc, and I don't understand the basis of ratings of a film. For me, if a film made me feel something, if I was enlightened, or after I watched it I learned something from it be it a good or a bad thing, it was a good movie.
I LOVE video essays and analysing pop culture and dissecting aspects of historical and contemporary literature through different lenses, interpreting pieces of media with consideration to cultural context, etc. It's my favourite part of my degree and i take more classes on cultural and literary studies than i can even get credits for because i find it so interesting. It hits the exact same spot that for example Jacob's and other people's video essays hit for me - which is most of the media i consume in my free time.
I love making big brain arguments about some aspect or other of a text, discussing it and teasing it apart.
But what i love most about all of this is that there is no (academically valid) black and white definitive judgement of opinion. Things can be executed poorly or well, a message can be communicated effectively or there may be no discernible message, or maybe lot's of unintended ones. Yes, media can adhere to norms of it's genre, it's time, or not; and it can be received well or poorly or somewhere in between. But what I love most is how i can analyse and acknowledge all of that, and none of it can ever invalidate whether I enjoyed the piece of media.
Critical media analysis gives me the freedom to know about all the criticism and reasons people hate a thing, agree with everyone that all these """bad""" things (inconsistent writing, bad pacing, cheesy af) are present. And then go "one of the most enjoyable things I've ever watched tho!". Being able to see all the analysable things and why people think the movie/book/whatever is bad is so useful in understanding why people disagree with me when I say "I love this thing" and not get bothered.
I have "objectively" bad taste in that I enjoy predictable superhero movies and trashy 80s horror and mediocre urban fantasy book series and unrealistic rom coms. But life is too short to pretend I don't enjoy "dumb" or "bad" stuff just so I can impress ...people I can't ever go to the movies with? Signal I'm an intellectual to internet strangers?
Being aware and fully understanding why stuff I love is considered "bad" is key to not tying my self worth up in it. I don't need to convince anyone Venom 2018 is actually brilliant, but I can say "it's fucking weird and the blonde wig is awful and the motorcycle chase scene is... an experience? But I watch it once a month cause it's AMAZING and I celebrate every time they pass the exact same intersection in the motorcycle chase multiple times, the ENTERTAINMENT it gives me!!!"
Acknowledging you understand it's technically "bad" upfront, then infodumping about why you love it anyways makes it impossible for people to tell you you're wrong. Every single reason they mention for why you shouldn't enjoy it can be "yes and"-ed. Yes the physics in that game are hella unrealistic. But have you *seen* that massive explosion?? It was fucking COOL and made me go "whoooo"!
Sorry aldjfjfg I'm so passionate about just enjoying things. I'm forever on the side of positive experience outweighing any technical analysis.
I think this is why JelloApocalypse's approach of a positive and negative scoring system gives me hope. Negative isn't necessarily a marker of a bad film from a viewer's perspective, simply of a film that cannot be appreciated solely from the perspective of a traditional film critic's approach. Those scores are for films which are flawed in some way, but can still be enjoyed for what they are. Instead, it is the zero score that is the most damning. A film that has failed to entertain you and was an unqualified waste of your time to see. In my opinion, I actively prefer films that are entertaining than those that follow stuffy norms to try to provide me a lesson I don't need or want in order to appeal to the bottom line of some film critics. Those same film critics that panned some more inspired films from Disney and set the genre back a decade when they gave "Atlantis: the Lost Empire", "Treasure Planet", and "The Emperor's New Groove" sub-par reviews. All three of those films should be required viewing for prospective film critics. Failing to recognize a movie because it breaks from the archetype of a genre and killing a film movie in the cradle is the greatest injustice a film critic can do. Atlantis and Treasure Planet were darker, more emotional, more introspective, and more realistic to the greed and corruption of the human condition and the critics didn't appreciate it because how dare an animated film broach such deep topics.
There's a gorgeous subtlety to the locket being the one thing that wasn't turned to sand; he protected the thing most important to him with nothing but sheer willpower as his own body was disintegrating in the machine. I like to think that this overwhelming desire was part of what allowed him to take control of the sand instead of just ceasing to exist.
I've watched Spider-Man 3 so many times (never the first two, until recently) because it'll just be playing on tv, and I can remember virtually nothing about the movie except this scene. It's just so desperately sad, and is easily the second best part of the entire movie (after the bit where a girl scams JJJ out of a camera). I'm glad to see a video about it; the movie gets memed so hard that it sometimes gets sidelined how genuinely and unironically incredible this specific scene is
aw man also matrix sequels love and pirates 3 love. perfect opinions all along
This is why sandman is my favorite comic villain of all. This movie and scene. Watched it when I was young, at release and have watched most every superhero movie since. And still he sticks in my mind.
you should check out videogamedunkey's video on spiderman 3 its kinda similar and highlights the film in a way a lot of ppl seem to miss when they hate on it for no reason other than that everyone hates on it
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Bully Maguire approves.
"With art, the opposite of good is just uninteresting" beautifully said.
I've only ever seen the first Matrix movie and yet that shot still made me gasp out loud & immediately tear up. Just the sudden quiet, the sunlight across their faces, the slow dawning wonder...
"Let me get this straight. You think Spider Man 3 was a perfectly fine movie?"
"I do, and I'm tired of pretending it's not."
It's insane how much emo Peter dancing messed with audiences and critics at the time. Venom was also pretty bad, but like the rest of the movie wasn't nearly as bad.
I’ll up that. It was the best one.
@@johnfowler3125 no way you just said this
@@pole8740 It’s the perfect story about forgiveness and redemption
fine? sure
perfectly fine? I'm not so sure about that
There is a scene that has stuck with me for years. In Spirited Away, when Chihiro takes the train with no face there is a quick shot where she looks outside of the window and sees this small house on a hill, sorrounded by water and covered in sunlight. For some reason that part specifically hit me in the feels.
Well Spirited Away is one of the best movies ever made so that makes sense haha
For me it's that house on the water + that shadow-girl that watches Chihiro from a train platform, right as the strings cut out from the score, leaving only piano. As a kid it felt to me like that girl *knew* her or was connected to her somehow, in the same way that Haku was her childhood guardian. But because Chihiro stayed on the train, for Haku's sake, whatever connection she had (or would have had) with the shadow-girl was severed, leaving another memory unexplored.
@@JacobGeller it is one of if not my favorite movie of all time, please please please do an essay on spirited away. The use of transportation in Miyazaki films is so interesting. Chihiro in her dad's car, getting pulled through the field of flowers, the train scenes with the long landscape shots. Hoh boy. Growth, spirituality, personal and spiritual doubt, fantastic film. Love it :') would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Another Ghibli scene that I obsess over is the running scene from The Tale of Princess Kaguya. One of the only scenes I can remember that seriously left me speechless, awestruck just staring at the screen.
@@rootbourne4454 I haven't seen the movie in years and I still vividly remember that part
I love seeing the small hints of Raimi's horror expertise in the sandman scene, especially as the more ominous music comes when he starts walking. This isn't the Flint Marco we saw before, this is the Sandman. a new being who just learned how to take its/his first steps with a body made of sand.
I'm thinking of the horror of that one Swamp Thing comic Alan Moore wrote, about Swamp Thing being a mass of vegetable matter that just thinks it's Alec Holland. Maybe the same is true for the Sandman.
Saw this movie at 14 and got chills from the transformation scene. Seeing him get trapped in a testing chamber and dissolved right before his own eyes was like baby’s first bodily horror.
Somehow, hearing that Trinity was the only human alive who'd seen natural sunlight just... instantly broke my heart. It's so... overwhelmingly sad.
Bet nobody had ever done some really good exfoliation either.
This is why I agree that it's the best part of the sequels. I spent a lot of hours between those movies being told to feel things I didn't about ideas I found to be incoherent. But Trinity above the clouds was an entire story of its own, with plenty of heavy implications yet no need to spell them out.
Allegory of the Cave, perhaps?
@@koldsolseahazy more than likely, and handled well at that
@@generatoralignmentdevalue It adds a lot of unexpected depth in a movie that's very visually noisy. I also can't unsee the Dune and Dune Messiah in the whole sequence, though.
For me, a perfect moment in a “bad” movie is the embryo extraction sequence from Prometheus. I’ll never know what it was like to see the original Alien chest-burster scene in theatres in 1979, but watching Shaw’s harrowing ordeal, trapped in a claustrophobic, threatening medical pod with SOMETHING frightening growing inside her… I feel like I got a similar feeling of visceral horror and sense of hideous unknown. It almost made up for all the incredibly stupid character decisions that lead to that point… almost.
You know, you raise a good point. They could never top the chestburster scene, but creating the inverse of that with a rushed, desperate abortion is equally disturbing and that was probably the best scene of that film, at least conceptually.
Yeah that was a good scary scene to watch, especially when you know Shaw can't produce kidd but somehow she made a twisted inhuman child from alien DNA through the guy's mutation.
Rest of the movie was just so bad and the decisions of characters so BRAINDEAD.
breaking "bad"
breaking "good"
Wait, Prometheus is considered a "bad" movie??? I thought it was fairly good. Like 7/10 good...
@@XRandomXShinigamiX I liked it a lot lol
Fun fact, since it was actually shot with the actor in sand, the crew had to substitute regular sand with grinded up pieces of corn kernels. If I remember right, they had used it instead, as real sand would’ve posed a significant health risk after prolonged exposure in a confined environment. I read it in an old kids magazine where they had a special on the movie and were interviewing the actors.
Another perfect moment is in The Phantom Menace, half way through the fight with Darth Maul they are broken up by a forcefield and you see how each fighter wordlessly responds to it.
The directors handed everything about the scene over to the fight choreographers and they took that opportunity to create something amazing.
I personally really liked the "crunch" noise between the attempts to pick up the locket. I think it helps show flints determination to pick up the locket to be human more than the strained look on his face could on it's own. The first attempt seeming more like an expression of longing, of desire. He has to focus not just his mind, but his body too in order to actually make the second attempt succesful. He decides to not just exist within his new limits, but to push forward against them as far as they hinder his decisons and overcome or even use them to his advantage to reach his goal.
that is one of the many things bad CGI gets wrong. Focusing too much on the visual and ignoring the weight and impact the audio gives.
I just want to point out the "chosen one, chosen two, trinity" joke. I love your insight and dedication to the writing. That's just great prose. .
@@JohnnyBGoode-xn9mo Really, as of Matrix Ressurections it kind of isn't a joke, it's explicit canon.
@@JohnnyBGoode-xn9mo Not about the series' lore. It was about the wording's double meaning.
@@andrewcapra7153 I didn't refer to the series' lore, but the wording's double meaning.
It's also impressive how well the CG for the Sandman sequence has aged. And while we can obviously point to the hard work the animators put into it, I think it also helps that the animation being sand instead of a flesh and blood person makes it much easier for it to avoid the uncanny valley effect. It doesn't look too close to human without being human, because it's just SAND.
I clicked for the Sandman thumbnail. That scene STILL holds up and it's such a beautiful and perfect scene
"a universe of possibility...and an absence of wonder" dear lord jacob, chills. thanks for knocking it out of the park again. i daresay these consistently moving video essays of yours are just as much art as the scenes you break down within them, keep it up
This quote stuck with me as well. It reminds me of an excellent book; "Acedia And Its Discontents"
I will probably never stop thinking about that part in Aquaman where they dive into the stormy ocean with a flare & the camera suddenly pulls back into an unreal distant profile view of the scene, the claustrophobic chaotic horror of being on a little boat in a sea full of monsters suddenly becoming HUGE and almost contemplative. Kinda revealed to me all at once how brightly an authorial intent of sorts can shine even in massive interconnected productions.
I will never stop thinking about how there's an octopus playing the drums underwater
Despite all of it's flaws and disjointed plot, Aquaman got some really cool cinematography. The final fight agaisnt Ocean Master was especially beautiful. Other past superhero movies never reached quite the same level of amazement to me.
Aquaman has some truly incredible scenes because they actually let James Wan go hog wild, and he was like "what if we made a superhero film look visually interesting???" and it didn't always work and comes off hokey sometimes, but when it DOES work, it works like gangbusters.
I also loved that scene sm, I'm glad other people realized how beautiful the composition is in that movie, there's so many scenes that are just gorgeous !
@@virtualmetamorph1814 aqaman ain't bad
To me, the visual of Marko reaching out for the locket again was much more viscerally disturbing. It starts with these knobby, pointed stumps reaching out - like exposed finger-bones, _because that's essentially what they are_ now, it's his human form being unnaturally superimposed upon this lump of silica, and thus the locket cutting through his 'hand' leaves exposed 'bones' within the nightmare logic of his new existence. He's not re-evolving his hand, he's regenerating it, acknowledging that he's no longer a thing of flesh and blood, that he _can_ just stick himself back together and taking control over whatever incomprehensible product of physics allows him to think and feel and move even with all requisite organs and tissues erased.
I love how you describe the scenes so vividly! I felt like I could really experience them, and I was away from my computer listening to you. There are small scenes in "bad" movies, sometimes just any movie, that I will cling to and look at over and over. Usually the reason is a visual one, but the sounds complement the feelings, for sure! I feel like looking for all the scenes that I love to watch...I should compile them somehow!
There's a scene in Pacific Rim I feel fits the theme of this video.
It comes right after the intro fight, where the scavenger and his son are on the foggy beach looking for scrap metal.
The metal detector starts going off like it's detecting something big, and he waves it around to discover that it's not detecting something below them, but something out in the water. Giant, thundering footsteps are heard against the waves, but they sound off. Out of the fog looms the massive figure of a Jaeger, humanity's hope. But it's mangled, damaged nearly beyond repair. It reaches the beach and finally collapses to the ground near the scavenger. Now, the man might not know all the workings of a Jaeger, but he does at least know that a Jaeger has to have pilots to function. He runs to the head of the Jaeger where a single, bloodied pilot crawls out, and the man seeing this shouts at his boy to get help.
This scene does so much. From seeing a supposedly invincible icon of humanity absolutely brutalized, setting the tone of the movie of fighting against doomsday, to the realization that one man piloted a Jaeger by himself for so long, which should be near impossible according to in-universe rules.
It kinda goes against the point of this video, but I like the transition when they run from the CGI massive fallen jeager to the broken head with Raider (iirc) coming out of it injured, this and the jaeger kneeling down as it falls compliment the idea that these monstrous machines are still as vulnerable as its pilots are.
Wonderful work by the marvelous Guillermo del Toro.
I was just watching this movie earlier
It's so fun
Kinda goofy, but it has these moments of tragedy and vulnerability which are part of why it's so enjoyable to watch
@Justin Case Second is god awful
The Matrix scene reminds me of this video game trope that I'm an absolute sucker for. The trope goes: You've been drudging through dark tunnels, fighting hordes of enemies, and then you come out of that tunnel only to be greeted by a breathtaking scenery. You're at the cave's exit, often a secret door on the flank of a mountain, a place you could have found by exploring, but that is hard to notice. There are no enemies, only a beautiful land and blinding light. In those moments, I'm always struck by the thought: This was made by people. People made this scenery, made this moment, and now, through the magic of video games, I'm living it, as if I was there. And that blows my mind every single time.
Elden Ring has so many moments like that and I love it so much more for it. After struggling and barely surviving all these fights through tight, narrow corridors you're just begging for there to be a checkpoint at the end. And then you emerge into a vista that gets seared into your memory.
On a similar note, it reminded me the ending of Undertale [Spoilers], when our friends, for the first time in their lives could stand under the sky, looking at the world all around, discovering the feel of the breeze and the warmth of the sunlight, living the dream some of them spent their lives trying to fullfil. I'm sure it's not near es spectacular as the ones you mention, it has no visual effects for the sun whatsoever(not even a paralax effect to give deepth to the landscape), the camera is static from beggining to end and the charactes have no animation, but I like the game, so I wanted to share it
surface tension cliffs
I love that trope. I actually have a bunch of Metro wallpapers of that exact scene.
This is what I felt arriving in Anor Londo for the first time in Dark Souls. It happened just a few days ago, as I've picked up and dropped playing the game many times as I've gotten stuck in certain places. After hours spent going through the ruined asylum you start in, the dirty and undead-infested Parish, and most certainly the dank deep of Blighttown and Quelaag's Domain, conquering Sen's Fortress and its horrors and being rewarded with the pristine though empty beauty of Anor Londo was very emotional.
As someone who never cared for super-heroes or superhero films, the sand-man sequence was literally the only scene I saw as a kid from any superhero film that stuck with me. It was this surreal nugget in the middle of a weird film and I am glad that I am not the only one who recognised it as such.
same here! watching this as a kid with half my attention and less understanding I remember this one scene specifically, just because it was so unique and visually appealing for some reason. Funny how I'm not the only one and it may be pretty common that this scene stuck with many.
Mr. Geller,
Your video essays are some of the best content on this website. I can see just how much effort you put into each video, and they all seem personal to you. You aren't following subjects that are popular, but ones that resonate with you, and that makes it resonate with me. Your research and analysis is so in depth that i almost can't imagine how one person can have such a level of understanding of the subject, and have it be so meaningful to them. Not only is it well researched but extremely well written and explained. I understand not just the subjects but every emotion attached. Thank you for going out of your way to create these. I can't explain the awe and slight terror i felt after watching Fear of Depths. I immedeately reccomended it to all my friends. They all seem to feel the same. Keep up the great work.
I think one of the things which the modern CG spectacle often misses these days is the feeling of actual awe - you might get a big shot of a city exploding or slow motion for whatever is happening, but nearly always the protagonists either act if they deal with these problems fairly often or spew out the one-liner and the action keeps moving without much pause.
One of the "stuck in my head" scenes that forever sits with me was from Akira - late in the film, after the city is devastated, there's a large pan shot of the city, with the sunlight breaking through the clouds. It somehow captures the emotion of empty "what just happened?" after a large natural disaster, and while it's not super long, it's also not cut short.
One of the things I feel happens with modern movies is, well, it reflects our society; the feeling of awe, fear, and powerlessness is something they don't want to sit with for long, so nearly always they jump back to "the heroes are heroing" sense of control, which means we lose a lot of these artistic scenes.
I think the atomic breath scene in Shin Godzilla captures that perfectly, the sheer scale of the explosion and all the destruction it causes, the reflexion of the fire on the skyscrapers, it's all so gorgeous and at the same time terrifying
I think its also a situation where the humanity is lost in spectacle. What holds more of a tangible effect of how we'd interpret a tragedy? A CGI wide shot of a city exploding, or just a simple, lost, and lone shoe of a young child hald-buried under the rubble? It feels like the direction filmmakers take with spectacles like these is more quantity over quality. The meaningful scenes get buried under filling a shot with as much "awesome," stuff as possible.
As a vfx-artist, thanks for giving some recognition to the art itself, and illuminate a bit on why people tend to dislike cgi (well, the 5% of all cgi they notice, that is). I think an issue with modern film-making is that directors and studios know anything is possible in post-production, and I think this translates into two separate issues and tendancies. The first is that since anything is possible, more focus is on the visual impact and extravagance, instead of storytelling. Basically they forget that no matter how good the cg, if the story isn't there, it won't matter. Secondly, it postpones the decision-making-process further and further into post. Directors can shoot a movie on large blue or greenscreens without even having a clear idea about how things may look later. I think this greatly affects how bad/good the live-action and the cgi mesh together later, since the live-action isn't filmed with a specific effect in mind.
Then there's of course the issues of budget/time/general assholery commited against vfx-studios. But that's a different issue I think. Most of the time, bad cg is the result of bad decision-making. Take the infamous chase scene in Desolation Of Smaug. Yeah the cg is awful, but a huge golden statue melting would never ever look good, since the concept itself is so divorced from realism and from the actual story itself. It was a doomed sequence from the start, had the vfx-team hade endless time on their hands, it wouldn't have mattered.
There's a recent view in videogame visuals: All graphics age, but great design is lasting.
Good effect shots are not primarily about optical qualities, but what they express about the narrative. Effects that look sharp but don't express anything become visual noise.
@@Yora21 Which explains why the reveal of the live dinosaurs in Jurassic Park still hits home despite the glaring CGI of the dinosaurs, right? (That, and proper awe-acting from the actors).
Tbh. I liked that scene because imo. it told a good story and ultimately, while the trilogy is a big mess, I wouldn’t even say that this scene is specifically all that problematic.
theres an idea that having models and puppets on set means the actors can see the final product, which makes their performances better because they're actually in it, not just in a blue room next to a guy in a dumb suit with polka dots
It's gone the way of violence and other "mature" topics. People realize they "can" but don't consider if they "should."
There is so much effort and passion behind this video. Thank you very much for sharing this with the world!
I’m so glad so many people are out here appreciating and remembering “bad” movies :)
Without Venom in Spiderman 3 I think the movie would be way more loved. Clearly Raimi wasn't a big fan of the character AND the studio forced him to cram it in. Take out venom and he would've had more time for Harry and Sandman which are already decent.
He warned them that they didn't have the technology to make Venom look good, but they forced him to
@@Gloomdrake it's unfortunate...
i bet the story with only sandman and harry would've been great
Yeah well people have made fan edits removing Jar-Jar, or basically 3/4 of Jackson's The Hobbit, and neither heroic effort completely healed those disasterpieces.
@@googiegress7459 we don't just want less Venom, we want the screentime that would have gone to Venom to go to Sandman and maybe Harry. You can't just cut out bad pieces of movies, you have to add something, as well, and the tech isn't their for fans to do that, yet
@@Gloomdrake Right, which is part of why we still don't have a good Hobbit movie despite fan edit efforts. All the victories performed by Bilbo that were taken by some stupid dwarf or another, desperate for characterization not present in the book, would need to be filmed as done by the little guy himself. We'd need excessive amounts of CG to pull it off.
Since Nebula hasn't got a comment section, I figured I'd say this here instead. This video and its companion video perfectly encapsulate what is so great about Nebula. This video here on youtube is great and by itself stands tall as a profound depiction of a niche topic. Yet in comparison to the video on Nebula, its shortcomings are clear as day. On youtube you have to first open the commentary by saying "I can't show this on youtube, so you'll have to go to this other place on youtube to watch it", and then you have to talk about the scene without the full context of the music, all the while being careful not to show too much of a scene at once. You managed to work around it to make something that still definitely works, and I didn't really think too much of it, until I watched the Nebula video. On Nebula, you get to go even more niche, since your economic survival isn't reliant on the algorithm accepting the video, you can show the clips with no worries, and you can play the music in context. And while the youtube video is great, and arguably holds a stronger central message, the video on Nebula is able to be so much more as it utilize the very grandiosity found within At World's End that the video is about, and uses it to elevate the video along with it. Because as your monologue crescendos it does so hand in hand with the crescendo of music and visuals of the movie to carry more emotion than an 8 an a half minute long video about a pirate movie should be able to. So yeah, get Nebula, its worth it.
huhh, interesting I might have to go watch it then, I have just heard a lot of negitive from the it
Howdy Jacob, first time viewer here and really enjoyed and clicked with this piece. I have special in my heart for those scenes with unexpected wonder in them. It can come on movies, TV, and often just in a commercial. My personal impacts are usually about the performance of an actor(s) coupled with perfect timing. I could spend hours talking about my favorite examples though it would be hard to track down most of them. Anyway, I appreciate the love you have for art and I will be seeing more of your stuff soon.
Have a cupcake day! : )
I feel nothing for these scenes when i watch them, but listening to you talk and the words you use makes me feel what you feel. If i watch these scenes again alone i will most likely again feel nothing, that's the sign of a truly great story teller, you have me in the moment. Right now you have me in the palm of your hand making me feel your emotions... With your words. Hats off bro, new subscriber, sublime video.
The Cloud Breach scene for me really acts as a sort of closing statement for one of my favorite conversations from original Matrix were Mouse purposes to Neo that the machines lacking certain senses or human traits may have simple guessed what some foods Tasty Wheat and Chicken tasted like insisting that they may be false replicas, mimics of other flavors that the machines could produce in lieu of humanity’s irrelevant necessities as they are now merely batteries.
Mouse: “Because you have to wonder now, how do the machines really know what Tasty Wheat tasted like huh? maybe they got it wrong.”
Thus how a machine would design a vast cloud torn vista would pale in comparison to the source’s reality.
"With art, the opposite of good is uninteresting" is a mindset I live by and I'm so glad to hear you say it.
“A universe of possibility, and an absence of wonder” exactly puts into words how I so often feel about generative AI and where I sometimes fear it’s headed.
Great video, I like the idea that we can appreciate the good parts of otherwise "bad" movies. I have always loved the intro sequence in X-Men Apocalypse that takes place back in Ancient Egypt.
Oh, I thought of one! In cheesy old horror movie "The Brain that Wouldn't Die," there is a scene near the end where the monster is chasing Kurt, the lab assistant, after ripping off one of his arms. Kurt tries to open a door to escape, but his only remaining hand is crippled, so he can't get a grip on the door handle. The only reason Kurt was working for the scientist was on the promise that he would heal his hand, but of course that promise was always false. It was a moment that seriously broke my heart, since it showed that ALL the characters were victims of the evil scientist, even his loyal ally Kurt. This small moment made me see the whole silly movie in a sad new light.
As soon as you brought up The Matrix, I thought, "I wonder what scene he's talking about... But I wish someone would make a video like this about the cloud scene". Plenty of movies make me empathize with the characters, but that's one of very few scenes that made me really feel what they felt.
Considering the trans people metaphor in the matrix films is pretty well known nowadays, I have to say your reading of that scene is so emotional in that context. The endless fighting, giving up all your comfort, everything you’ve ever known for a shot at _real life_ only to be met with years and years of more struggle, and for what? For moments like this, single moments that overshadow absolutely everything you have ever experienced. Even if the struggle turns out too powerful, too painful, and you fall, like Trinity - everything you have ever done was worth it in the second where you saw the sun for the first time. Where you were _real_ and it wasn’t just war for once. Reality lends so much more weight to beauty.
Damn, I wasn't even thinking about that but that makes so much sense. It's like, it's remembering that the other side of gender dysphoria is gender euphoria, the incredible positive feeling of being able to affirm your gender and feel comfort in your being.
I doubt a lot it is actually a trans metaphor, i am quite sure they just retconned whatever they wanted to believe in the movie to spread their new ideas exactly like JK rowling.
@@guisampaio2008 well, it doesn’t really matter whether they meant it that way when they first wrote the movies. They can very readily be read as a metaphor for the trans experience, and that means people will read them like that and recognise themselves regardless of authorial intent.
@@fredhasopinions Still doesn't make the retconning dishonest.
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this video was already bringing me to tears and you just *had* to throw the gris soundtrack in there ; - ; now i'm crying, thanks. but in all seriousness, your videos always make me cry and they are always the best thing i have ever seen, i rewatch them often
Seriously, though, that video on the Matrix sequels by Sophie From Mars is an insanely good essay and everyone should go watch it. As a huge fan of the first Matrix film who was pretty apathetic about the sequels, I have a far, FAR greater appreciation for both of them after having watched it and now I can't even think about the series as seperate films. It's all just one thing to me now and I think anyone who's in the camp of "I really only like the first one" owes it to themselves to check the video out and look at the trilogy from another perspective
Buy my special toothpaste; it was really expensive to produce, and you won't like the flavor, but if you take several college classes you'll appreciate why the flavor is bad and possibly come to enjoy the experience of tasting it.
@@googiegress7459 no its actually just good toothpaste thats the point of their video
@@googiegress7459 skill issue
Ah yes a 2 hour video why matrix was all about trans people in 1999 and neo will transition in matrix 4. Truly insanely good 🙄
@@Fourside__ bro i cant stand yall you guys know that movies can be ABOUT THINGS that aren't necessarily *literally what's happening on the screen* right
This scene always stuck with me in the spiderman movies. There's a sort of horror and sympathy that knaws at me when I see this scene.
Fittingly, Raimi (the director of this movie and the whole trilogy) was best known for his work on horror movies before this (mainly Evil Dead)
A video with two of my favorite childhood trilogies and also with Gris music in it. You sir just earned a subscriber. I'll now try to finish the video without crying to this song.
That scene from Spiderman 3 stuck with me since I first watched it as a preteen. Something about it was so deep and awestriking for 11 years old me I just never got over it, it was something else that I could not comprehend completely. The scene on Matrix 3 also struck this similar chord for me when I rewatched the trilogy last year, even though I had never noticed it when I watched it way back then as a child, probably because I wasn't that focused on the 3rd movie. I am so glad you've managed to put it into words to some degree the impact that those movies had.
As for my personal suggestions for similar awe-striking scenes in other movies? That final scene on Blade Runner 2049, when Ryan Reynolds just lays down dying on the staircase outside as the snow falls from the sky, it reminded me of the Little Match-selling Girl fairytale ending.
"With art, the opposite of good is just uninteresting."
I love this quote so much, it puts simply something I've been thinking about since I finished The Last of Us Part II. Up until then, my general approach to art criticism (if you can call it that) was basically just grading off a rubric. The movie starts off at 100 and then for every plot hole, bad dialogue, joke that doesn't land, unconvincing effect and, in short, every "cinema sin", it loses points until we get to its final score.
When I played The Last of Us Part II, I loved it. It made me feel so much, so deeply. But when I went to see what others were saying about it, I found I often agreed with the complaints of people who did not like it. (Obviously not the ones who were upset because of LGBTQ representation and stuff like that, fuck those people). I could see how the story structure was confusing, or characters might have behaved differently than one would expect (or prefer), or how one's experience would be better if they were more primed to like Abby.
And so, like I had with other stories before, I tried to think of ways to "make it better". To solve the story. But unlike before, I was having real trouble seeing how to "fix" the problems without destroying parts of the game that I absolutely loved. I started seeing the "flaws" not as mistakes that the creators simply didn't notice or have time to fix, but artifacts of the decisions they actively made in pursuit of what they're trying to create; they were inevitable.
I realized the flaw in evaluating art against a rubric. I was basically saying the best art is art which says and does nothing, because saying or doing anything will always create artifacts which can be read as mistakes. I decided that good and bad are not opposite ends of a spectrum, but entirely separate spectra. The best art is that which can do the most good while also doing as little bad as possible.
Of course as I've matured (thanks in no small part to creators like Jacob for sharing their perspective on art), I find even that model, collapsing everything art can do to simply "good" or "bad", far too reductive. And even though it might seem like Jacob's scale (as quoted) is more reductive, I find it even more apt. Art is really about communication. So the real failure is when there's nothing there to communicate.
This was a really good comment and I appreciate your thoughts. I find that "flaws" or grit or whatever in a piece can be valuable and not at all detract from the "overall quality" if there is such a thing; when we think deeply about anything we find it more difficult to reduce the subject to simplicity.
@@googiegress7459 grit is a great term for it, thank you!
i have nothing else to add onto this brilliant comment thread. but just wanted to say i love these points, and especially since you used tlou2 as an example. i myself also did a whole reevaluation of how i perceive art, the same way you described, because of that fucking game. to this day i still haven’t fully settled on what my feelings are about that game - do i like it? do i dislike it? and if i do dislike it can i forgive it? - but damn it if it hasnt affected me deeply and changed me Forever. I guess there’s that too - that despite how technically amazing, or terrible, or even boring art can be, maybe another point of value in art is simply how much it stays with you personally
This is very much how I feel about the last of us II and I've never been able to put it into words. Thank you
It's a trinary. Good, bad, boring
also, the "Goodbye Kiddo" scene in Tron Legacy. Very underrated, and i actually think in hindsight, the CGI on Clu that really hasnt aged well works wonders thematically for a inherently flawed piece of code that's stuck in the past
I love tron legacy so much. Impeccable vibes. Same with oblivion, the other movie by the same director.
@@wyatttibbitts8603 Oblivion was never my cup of tea, personally, but yes, for Tron Legacy the environments, the soundtrack, the sound design, it's all amazing.
Tron Legacy was a great movie, I'll fight people on that.
Honestly rewatching Tron Legacy there’s a LOT you could mine there thematically that the movie just… doesn’t? But kind of does? It’s so close to being great and instead just seems to coast on it’s vibes, which are pretty immaculate.
The young Kevin Flynn/CLU definitely strides too close to the uncanny valley, but I feel the filmmakers did their best to mitigate it by presenting it in situations with non-standard lighting.
Still love Tron Legacy. The story is meh and the CGI Jeff Bridges is awkward, but the aesthetic, the vibe, the soundtrack are all unassailable.
he was basically never a villain, all he wanted was to see his kid, he didn't wanna do anything wrong for his own amusement.
He robbed people at gunpoint lmao wtf are you on
@@Nope2479 because he didn't have the money legally for his daughter. His motive, for everything we learn about him that happens from the retconned, and accidental, death of Uncle Ben, to breaking out of prison, to fighting Peter multiple times, is to give his daughter the life he likely didn't have. The love of a father he never had.
He didn't rob for fun, or for violence. He's a convict, blinded for the love of the only good and pure thing in his life, doing the only thing he knows: robbing and stealing money, not really trying to hurt anyone.
Even Uncle Ben, who died at his hand, was an accident. As he said, "I didn't mean to shoot him. It was accident. I just wanted to scare him out the car". And where was he going to go? To his daughter, or the store, to buy her toys.
Just because he does a bad thing, doesn't mean he's a _bad guy_ just a guy living a bad life, punished for his mistakes.
@@matthewwilliams8267 yeah well Walter White kept telling himself the same thing. For his family.
@@Nope2479 but, unlike Walter, Flint seems actually ashamed of who he is. When he breaks out of prison in Spider-man 3, he doesn't go hang out with some bros, or starts working on his next big heist.
He visits his family.
He apologizes to his wife. And "I just wanted to see her again" referring to his daughter. He knows he's putting them at risk, and he feels guilty over that. The whole movie is just Flint Marko just... trying to be good.
No jobs would hire him, he'a a convicted felony in 2007, in New York. Can't go get a loan bc he's a felon. Probably can't even open a lemonade stand, either.
Walter White did what he did out of greed. Flint Marko did less, but he had less. He didn't grow up to become a chem teacher and thought "hey, i should rob peeps for da lols". He was a desperate man. Walter White could've stayed where he was, got a couple promotions.
Every Spider-man villian in Sam Raimi's films are tragic. (Except Venom)
@@matthewwilliams8267yeah but good motives doesn't mean someone is a hero. They are a villain. He was a villain
Hey, I haven’t watched much of your videos before but I want to thank you for letting me find “in your hands” part of the Gris OST, which is just absolutely beautiful
The Birth of Sandman is such a masterpiece, I'm glad you're bringing it the recognition it deserves
Reaching a little further, I think your point about the brief “real” shot in the Sandman sequence applies why these movies being “bad” elevates these scenes. If they were in other movies they’d still be great, but something about them being the only perfect things in the movie where everything in the filmmaking process finally came together really makes them feel like mini-masterpieces.
I have purposely put off watching your videos for most of a year so that I could binge them all in one night. Definitely worth it. I absolutely love your work man, you make this site a better place.
I have seen both these movies and agree that these scenes are eternal and so human it's insane. I remember as a teenager watching spider man 3 waiting for cool fights and shit and then that sandman scene came along. I remember when he first tried to grab the locket and his hand fell apart I think my heart almost stopped with the tragedy, and suddenly I was in the moment not watching a movie but feeling like a human and being shocked by it. The rest of the movie I forgot but I never forgot that scene and I still think about it. The same goes for the cloud shot in the matrix. Much younger and just existing until I saw the sun in that shot. It's perfect and it's beautiful. I am so glad you made a video about it all.
always a good day when jacob uploads
You could say they’re perfect moments in bad movies
It’s been said by many others, but for me it’s the “Duel of the Fates” in Star Wars Episode One. I didn’t think the movie was too bad as a kid, though in any event, I was outrageously pumped to see that in the theater, and Anakin interludes notwithstanding, the scene holds up for me in score and action alike
It's such a dynamic fight! Like, the pause in the middle because of the laser barriers... you just don't *get* that in the average whiz-bang action movie.
I have that entire scene memorized by sound at this point.
I think Episode 3 is actually a quite good movie. But it has two scenes that stand out far above the rest.
The well known one (because endlessly memeable) being the opera scene, but also the short interlude when Anakin is contemplating to get involved in the confrontation between Palpatine and Mace Windu. For a short moment, you have cinematic genius.
Great video, great script. I love videos like these keep it up.
Hey, I just want to say that this was a really well done video and the kind of content I want to see more of.
The Matrix scene with Trinity reminds me of my favorite scene from the first Terminator: when Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor got into a fight and Kyle pulled a gun on Sarah out of instinct, he broke down crying, saying how this (pre-nuclear war) world was beautiful and he did not belong in it. It humanized Kyle, letting you feel his pain and trauma from growing up in the war. It makes his eventual death so much more tragic.
Of course, this scene was cut from the movie, so we can have more time for robot shooting.
This is why I get frustrated by people who think the Terminator series is just action movies. It is that, but it also had heart. I blame the sequels.
I loved the bit in T2 when John and the T-1000 are watching the kids play fighting and John says "we're not going to make it, are we?" That and the Terminator's answer made it feel a lot less like humans fighting eebil Skynet and more that we'd built our own destruction and everyone was then forced to play it out, regardless of whether they wanted to or not. I dislike most of what came after but I thought T2 did a good job expanding thoughtfully on the themes and possibilities of the first.
@@twigcollins8785 T2 was a well made movie. But I personally wasn't a fan of the tonal shift (away from horror to action blockbuster) and the lack of Kyle Reese (or another human character like him). T1's fight between Kyle vs the Terminator was a direct parallel to the human vs. machine war, and we don't get that in any of the sequels.
They're both good. Everything after is trash. Everyone has their own favourite but they're both "good". T2 has many iconic scenes. Its more than good.
excellent video! I love the passion in your voice! Subscribed
I had to rewatch 11:15 a couple times because it sounded like you said "have taken a shit" lmao
Hot damn those clouds were gorgeous. Love how fast it goes back to completely dreadful.
honestly I find the fact that these scenes cant look photoreal as an extreme benefit. With the photoreal you lose the representational aspect, you may get a real-looking experience from realism but the ideosyncratic depths get filled in and the art of the experience is suddenly buried. I believe part of the "facade" that is present in special effects can have truly heightening effects on the way we experience a created piece of beauty
Totally unrelated to the video, but I was pleasantly surprised by you including "In Your Hands" from the Gris soundtrack in this video. I love that game's soundtrack and I sure wouldn't have expected to see it in this kind of video. So, uh... kudos to you for good music choices!
super well done and thoughtful video. Thank you. I think you spoke to something deep.
"A universe of possibilities and an absence of wonder" this is a such a good quote
Ay Jacob I lack the vocabulary to properly articulate myself so I'll briefly state that I really fell in love with the way you structure your essays.
You consistently make really compelling connections between unrelated pieces of media in ways that are not only engaging but more often than not educational as well, really helping me appreciate both pieces in deeper ways I never thought I ever would. Plus you know how to pace your script and even employ a bit of deception to help drive your points be that more poignant than had you been truthful from the start. Your videos often feel like works of art in and of themselves.
I really could go on and on but I don't wanna fangirl and risk bloating your ego too much. Keep it real man!
those matrix movies really meant a lot to me growing up, and hearing someone else feel that way about that scene the way i did after 34 years of being told those movies sucked, made me tear up
You mean 20 years? The sequels came out in 2003. Regardless, I concur. I loved the trilogy (didn't bother with the 4th one). To me, the three movies respectively symbolized birth, life, and death.
This is a good channel, and I really enjoy in depth movie reviews. Good narration. A lot of channels lack that for many reasons like lack of script proofreading, or poor translation from other languages. Some otherwise good channels have narrators with poor speaking voices, and usually due to heavy accents. Pacing is another factor. The narration here is good because I feel like the narrator is speaking directly to me about a topic we are both interested in.
As a CG artist I really appreciate you talking about how much work goes into Graphics. This is why I personally don't like the term CGI, the computer didn't generate it the artist did.
''Because with art, the opposite of good is just uninteresting''
What a great line.
I'm so glad someone's talking about these two scenes. Ever since I was a kid these two scenes seemed different, jumping from the screen even before I was old enough to explain why. Great video.
Bravo 👏 this was awesome. Clearly you spent a lot of time on this you deserve all these success this video brings.
While I personally disagree with the machine CGI in Revolutions feeling like visual noise (the effects wowed me at 8 as they still do now nearly 2 decades later,) you've reminded me and given me a new appreciation for that short sunlight scene.
It now adds a thin deeper layer to Trinity's death for me, and to the humans vs AI war. A better literal horizon still exists past the darkness, and that's still something worth fighting for. And as a Spidey fan, that Sandman scene truly speaks for itself. Masterclass stuff.
Thank you for always being a fresh and entertaining perspective on media I love 👍
Your analysis of the Sandman scene made me think of a similar scene from Watchmen. When John Osterman is destroyed and reconstitutes himself as Dr. Manhattan, which he was able to do because of his knowledge of human anatomy and his experience working with intricate, interconnected components as a watchmaker. His scientific knowledge allowed him to stay alive. The Sandman, however, stayed alive because of his powerful emotional attachment to the one he loves.
Still a terrible movie though.
Watchmen is a terrible movie based on one of the best comics ever written. Go find it online somewhere, it's not very long
@@aarcade6676 I've read the comic and I thought the movie was an amazing and almost totally faithful rendition.
@@bocelott Plotwise, sure, But in terms of messaging? Vibeswise? It's completely different imo. Its too... Cool. It doesnt seem to understand that all of these people are presented as kinda pathetic in their own ways.
@@aarcade6676 I was actually talking about Spiderman 3. I actually quite like the movie and I absolutely love the comic.
The Dr. Manhattan sequence is also a great sequence in a bad movie, but it loses points because it’s literally just the comic book, panel for panel, dialogue for dialogue, so it’s not doing anything unique. Well-rendered and acted though! And love the soundtrack, even if that was also written for something else.
Thank you for highlighting that scene from Revolutions. It's one of my favorite moments of the trilogy and always makes me tear up. The beauty of our planet distilled into 15 seconds with five houres of build up.
dude, beutiful explaination yo, as a film maker i just loved it,and the bgm u used just perfectlt synced with the scene
When I was a kid, the scene of the birth of sandman was always my favorite because it made me feel the same emotions Flint must have felt at this moment, I felt despair, fear and rage, and finally determination. It was so well made with the music that everytime I watch this scene I get goosebumps.
He's always back when we need him most or when I'm heading to work.
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I just have to say, this is exactly the scene I had in mind when clicking on this video and it's one of my favourite shots in the entire matrix saga. I'm kinda blown away, but also super grateful that I got to see somebody who's very good at RUclips video essays talk about that scene in a way that perfectly describes what it makes me feel
Great video man, I like the use of risk of rain 2 music
I've actually been trying to collect moments like these for myself, I had them called "Moments of Critical Sincerity" because I felt like there was nothing else to describe them. They're these moments when a film perfectly translates it's message and or point in a way that builds on the thematic weight of everything else, and because I don't have anywhere else to put em I'll list the 9 I have so far here. (Spoilers for a bunch of stuff)
Kingpin standing in front of the window looking out on a burnin Hell's Kitchen - Daredevil Season 1
"I would have you dad" - Invincible
Luisa holding up the boulders over the red background - Encanto
Cooper watching his daughter age - Interstellar
"There are no killers here, only people who deserve a chance to heal" - Murder on the Orient Express
The shot of the mixed core memories - Inside Out
The final shot of Wikus holding the metal flower he made - District 9
The shot of Sandman holding the locket of his daughter - Spiderman 3
I'd love to hear recommendations of other things to add, I've only just started this and I'm sure I'm missing some obvious ones
While Spider-Man 3 is the only one of those movies I’ve seen, you get a like for that great description, “Moments of Critical Sincerity”! I’m going to start using that!
@@mildlymarvelous do it, and tell me what ya find!
Ooh, I love the term as well! A scene that sticks out in my mind is in Her when Joaquins character is walking down some stairs into the subway tunnel and asks Samantha; ‘do you talk to other people at the same time as me?’ Or something similar, and he follows up the question with ‘how many of them have you fallen in love with?’ It’s so starkly different from the idyllic day he’s just had at a picnic with his friends and the beach, but it’s also a huge shift in how he sees Samantha, as truly “other” with more needs and capacity than he’d assumed before. It’s shocking to hear from the audience as well, that scene really sticks with me
@@silverwis3603 Oooh I've never actually watched Her, but Joaquins Phoenix is probably my favourite actor working today and so I think just that moment alone would make the movie worth it. I'll check it out and come back here when I do
ruclips.net/video/q6oTziHKM_c/видео.html opinions? I think it’s the best scene of an otherwise mediocre movie
my personal addition to this list would be the warp drive suicide run in star wars the last jedi. That movie is a tonal and narrative catastrophe and I genuinely cannot remember anything else about it. But when that rebel ship runs through the big empire ship... wow. and the sound design for that is flawless too, especially having seen it in a theater. There's that sheer deafening silence as the big ship splinters in two, causing all the other smaller star destroyers behind it to also fracture into cleanly cut slices. And it's so quiet - where your ears are ringing from all the noise leading up to that crescendo - and to cap off the sequence, a murky explosion as all the ships go up in flames and there's this *sphew* like a gargantuan balloon spewing its last gasp of air that breaks the silence, followed by a heavy skittering clattering rumbling noise. That movie was such a trashfire, but they could cut that scene alone and show in a theater forever and I'd still go check it out every couple years.
exactly! i really didn't like much of the last jedi for it's convoluted plot, icky romance and it's sidelining of Finn, but that ship scene made me audibly gasp in the theater. Still gives me chills.
Visually? Yes.
Acoustically? Sure.
Mechanically and canonically? Hell no.
It would be cool if it wasn't because it breaks every single star wars space fights.
Did you day Warp Drive when talking about Star Wars. Shut up. You obviously have no clue about Star Wars.
@@mateuszmarciniak2828 "Mechanically and canonically? Hell no." Nah mate its not.. ANY argument against it is from a lack of understanding canon AND understanding real world Guerilla warfare. In fact I'd say most of the intial early arguments of whats wrong with that film completely ignored established canon on star wars, its physics and real world physics of space.
And worse the same folk say NOTHING about any of the issues in the first star wars films death star trench run stupidity.
You can't say it breaks canon and doesn't workj and NOT complain about the original films space sequences and there MANY MANY issues.
this is the kind of film commentary i love to come across on youtube. very well done. thank you
This is a brilliant fantastic video. But the fact that you used music from the Katana Zero soundtrack just earned you my subscription