Here's my 2 c, I shot non comped echelon, comped and compact yesterday. To be honest I was underwhelmed with the comped version, I read that it was about 10% decrease in recoil but for me it was more like 5%ish. The best shooter for me was the compact version, because the frame was slimmer I could control the recoil better. So I am getting normal echelon with small frame size. Guys, try different configurations of frames before buying if a gun allows it. It can be worth it :)
I shot mine, a lot. Starting to wear the fde off the slide. I truly think it's a masterpiece. I've never shot better, or faster. It's literally the perfect handgun for me.
Echelon in my opinion is the best pistol sub 950. The COG, the mounting system, and the ergonomics on the grip are elite. Shoots great and feels great. Also looks really pretty.
THANK YOU!!! You did a public service. Most guntubers only intention is to shove in new products to eager buyers but you actually put in a truly great content. Some of us already have the original Echelon and just curious to see if that cut makes a massive difference on the shooting experience.
@rdrgear No problem just saw it and I always think man I should record my drills and there wouldn't be as many of the "Did this get here this time or did I not mark it before" LoL
It's so funny how, during the dual wielding scene, I was able to tell which one was the comped model just by how flat it stayed relative to the older version.
I constructively criticized one of your earlier videos regarding a chest rig on the sound and video quality. I gotta say you stepped it up considerably since then. So kudos to you sir! And a very well done comparison here!
Yes it does -- it comes with 3 differently sized backstraps. Then, if you don't mind me expanding on your question, they also make 3 different sized frames that you can easily move the Central Operating Group (serialized part) to.
@@ggrillz lmao. You guys are the best with the father and son! I’m glad you like it. We got a good one coming. My “son” just got an MP5 and his first big boy 2011.
@@johnbuntin7188 so far I have had a couple of pistol with out. I really can’t see a downside. I totally see what you are saying. But I feel with the technology of the guns and bullets today. Even if it were there I don’t think we as the human shooter would experience the difference.
As a competitive shooter and an owner of both of these I can say confidently that the comp doesn’t improve the performance of an already great gun by as much as many have been led to believe. There is some reduction in muzzle rise but the overall performance is not drastically improved.
@@QuantumTactical agreed. But I would argue no one is using an Echelon on a competition pistol. Muzzle rise reduction even if minor. Is a performance upgrade.
Did I "need" to upgrade? But I sure did anyway... the OG Echelon won me over in just 10rds at a range event on release day and soon became my overall favorite handgun. I jumped at getting the Comp model soon after its release and it shoots just as well (BETTER from a recoil and follow-up perspective) losing just ~20 FPS velocity based on my readings.
In an actual Defensive shooting where one is not wearing ear protection and maybe not eye protection either, aren’t you at greater risk for hearing damage and/or eye damage from gas if in an up close and personal scenario or inside a car with the comped gun vs the noncomp version?? T o me , comped gun makes sense on a range toy or competition gun but not a true duty or defensive Hand gun.
@@jonathanglassman2021 gas isn’t doing anything to you, and the short amount of time you would be exposed is minor. My lead levels are already high just from range shooting. A comp is 100% preference, and it’s more common than not for nothing edc and duty. Still comes down to a choice by the end user
Real men shoot suppressed. ;-). But seriously, everyone is big into compensated guns, I am going the opposite direction and going threaded barrels on everything, now that suppressors are coming back in just a couple of days! I dont think I have shot a gun unsuppressed ever since I got my first can. It is TOO much fun! The threaded barrel version of the Echelon is awesome with a can . . .
@@Oneproblemme101 gas pedal if you test multiple guns. And kind of know the History of them. They were designed to both be on.a gun and they were custom placed for the shooter. A porter pistol will 100% of the turn shoot flatter than a standard barrel with the thumb rest. The portter barrel will also allow the gun to return to target faster. Now add a ported barrel and a thumb rest to that same gun. And it’s a night and day difference. Hence the design of 2011 open guns. They all have both. You are not wrong. About the over hype. Because everyone chases this flat gun idea. When a lot of dudes have a shit grip and chase a flat gun. 🤙
@rdrgear nah, they won't. Even though Mag-na-port started putting holes in barrels, manufacturers these days don't care about the differences...even though brake and port sound just as cool.🤷
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Here's my 2 c, I shot non comped echelon, comped and compact yesterday. To be honest I was underwhelmed with the comped version, I read that it was about 10% decrease in recoil but for me it was more like 5%ish. The best shooter for me was the compact version, because the frame was slimmer I could control the recoil better. So I am getting normal echelon with small frame size. Guys, try different configurations of frames before buying if a gun allows it. It can be worth it :)
Dont understand why the Echelon doesn't get more respect/props. Its a great looking Pistol, great price & shoots well.....
I shot mine, a lot. Starting to wear the fde off the slide. I truly think it's a masterpiece. I've never shot better, or faster. It's literally the perfect handgun for me.
Because its spreingfield. They have a couple decades of shit to make up for. Whether the shit was real or not. Its gonna take some time lol
Echelon in my opinion is the best pistol sub 950. The COG, the mounting system, and the ergonomics on the grip are elite. Shoots great and feels great. Also looks really pretty.
Great content! Always enjoy your videos. Thank you for your time, effort and knowledge!
Im glad the Echelon is getting different versions. Its nice when a company actually does what they advertised for once. Hopefully they keep it going.
THANK YOU!!! You did a public service. Most guntubers only intention is to shove in new products to eager buyers but you actually put in a truly great content. Some of us already have the original Echelon and just curious to see if that cut makes a massive difference on the shooting experience.
@@SpyderWebbX appreciate you.
Great video…you were shooting both good actually.
On number 4 dot that far left shot you marked for 3 was a shot from your dot 4 10 shots on the Comp. Target
Yeah ya boi called it!
@@hopewilliams6705 thank you.
@rdrgear No problem just saw it and I always think man I should record my drills and there wouldn't be as many of the "Did this get here this time or did I not mark it before" LoL
What watch is that you have? Great videos !! Merry Christmas 🎅🏼🎄
@@4coopdawg old seiko samurai. I got in Japan when I was younger. You can fine the same style on Amazon
It's so funny how, during the dual wielding scene, I was able to tell which one was the comped model just by how flat it stayed relative to the older version.
I constructively criticized one of your earlier videos regarding a chest rig on the sound and video quality. I gotta say you stepped it up considerably since then. So kudos to you sir! And a very well done comparison here!
@@SaltyBob355 man that means a lot. It’s always a work in progress. Always trying to make it better. Thank you for sticking around. I appreciate it.
Great video! Love the comentary by the camera person!❤
Does this pistol have different size backstraps?
Yes it does -- it comes with 3 differently sized backstraps. Then, if you don't mind me expanding on your question, they also make 3 different sized frames that you can easily move the Central Operating Group (serialized part) to.
@@SplashOfOrange that's awesome
we need to see more of father and son range day activities , you guys are amazing
@@ggrillz lmao. You guys are the best with the father and son! I’m glad you like it. We got a good one coming. My “son” just got an MP5 and his first big boy 2011.
@rdrgear sorry I thought he's ur son lol
@ im not that dam old lol
Still waiting for Compact comp'ed.
yup. I'll wait until then myself
Tha wait is over, Collin Noir did a video on one
Another good video. I prefer ports with no back bore and keep the rifling.
@@johnbuntin7188 so far I have had a couple of pistol with out. I really can’t see a downside. I totally see what you are saying. But I feel with the technology of the guns and bullets today. Even if it were there I don’t think we as the human shooter would experience the difference.
@@johnbuntin7188 thanks John. I appreciate having. You in the comments. I got the m&p versus coming up. Should be a good one
Excellent video!
7:58 That outside shot isn't the 10th for the 3rd group, it's the 7th of the 4th group. Shots 9 and 10 went in the same spot. Look back 6 seconds
@@mrthebucket there is about a 5 hour delay and 4~5 guns reviewed. Each time we film. You guys focus on some of the wildest shit, in these reviews.
do you like the echelon or the pdp better?
As a competitive shooter and an owner of both of these I can say confidently that the comp doesn’t improve the performance of an already great gun by as much as many have been led to believe. There is some reduction in muzzle rise but the overall performance is not drastically improved.
@@QuantumTactical agreed. But I would argue no one is using an Echelon on a competition pistol. Muzzle rise reduction even if minor. Is a performance upgrade.
@@rdrgearI’m no fan of the echelon but if sigs and Glocks can be competition pistols why can’t the echelon be?
Did I "need" to upgrade? But I sure did anyway... the OG Echelon won me over in just 10rds at a range event on release day and soon became my overall favorite handgun. I jumped at getting the Comp model soon after its release and it shoots just as well (BETTER from a recoil and follow-up perspective) losing just ~20 FPS velocity based on my readings.
How many yards were you shooting from?
Early in the video he mentions that he shoots the dot torture from 3ft to 3y, so I'm thinking he was 3y for this video.
Grip, sights, trigger. I think a comp gun helps an experience shooter more.
In an actual Defensive shooting where one is not wearing ear protection and maybe not eye protection either, aren’t you at greater risk for hearing damage and/or eye damage from gas if in an up close and personal scenario or inside a car with the comped gun vs the noncomp version?? T o me , comped gun makes sense on a range toy or competition gun but not a true duty or defensive Hand gun.
@@jonathanglassman2021 gas isn’t doing anything to you, and the short amount of time you would be exposed is minor. My lead levels are already high just from range shooting. A comp is 100% preference, and it’s more common than not for nothing edc and duty. Still comes down to a choice by the end user
Yes tbh there are several problems with comps. Combat and play are simply not the same.
LMAO did you just say combat????
@ please do share your vast Knowlege of comp in “combat’. You should google the Roland special.
@@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevelbetter take a rifle to “combat”
Real men shoot suppressed. ;-). But seriously, everyone is big into compensated guns, I am going the opposite direction and going threaded barrels on everything, now that suppressors are coming back in just a couple of days! I dont think I have shot a gun unsuppressed ever since I got my first can. It is TOO much fun! The threaded barrel version of the Echelon is awesome with a can . . .
Lol
Oh yeah!!! 🤙🤙🤙
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Still no compact😢
Hellcat
@@brucehill1220 I feel we will see one at shot show. Fingers crossed
They have the hellcat pro
@ true, but I still feel the echelon has a new model coming. To take advantage of the trigger unit modularity.
@@BLACKNIGHT8990 no FCU
Why are you belly aching about all rounds in the grey circle??
Comps are fun but crazy overhyped! They don’t do as much I would say as a gas pedal. Personal opinion
@@Oneproblemme101 gas pedal if you test multiple guns. And kind of know the History of them. They were designed to both be on.a gun and they were custom placed for the shooter. A porter pistol will 100% of the turn shoot flatter than a standard barrel with the thumb rest. The portter barrel will also allow the gun to return to target faster. Now add a ported barrel and a thumb rest to that same gun. And it’s a night and day difference. Hence the design of 2011 open guns. They all have both.
You are not wrong. About the over hype. Because everyone chases this flat gun idea. When a lot of dudes have a shit grip and chase a flat gun. 🤙
Don't care what they call it, it's not a comp. It's a ported barrel and slide.
@@chrisferguson1911 well darn it Chris! Now that you have spoken! I’m sure Springfield will get right to work on making sure you are happy!!
@rdrgear nah, they won't. Even though Mag-na-port started putting holes in barrels, manufacturers these days don't care about the differences...even though brake and port sound just as cool.🤷
Compensate - reduce or counteract (something unwelcome or unpleasant) by exerting an opposite force or effect.
its a comp. It compensates. try again.
@ troll on pumpkin.
Nope.
@@AJohnSmith have you shot either? Pretty vague troll comment. What gun are you currently carrying/shooting
Yep!
Not impressed
@@ThomasSimmons-j9l good thing the content is free.
@rdrgear Thank You Sir. I own the weapon just my opinion.
@rdrgear Im thoroughly impressed. 😂
Hi point > Springfield
This might be the dumbest comment I've ever read!
Intentional stupidity
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