Man you really have the best figure reviews on RUclips. No other review channel has such an in depth look at the science of these animals. Great stuff man
Thank you very much! Glad that you appreciate the science too! I would say that it's pretty niche and so would appeal mainly to those who would like to know more other than just a quick once over of the model or toy. There are many people who probably think it's the worst channel because they have to "waste time" looking for just the figure parts. So it's all relative 😁
So nice to hear a truly objective overview on the lip/lipless debate coming from a review channel. Your channel is the only one that gets my hyped for both models and the science behind them at the same time. Can’t wait to get mine, thanks for sharing!
Thank you, I'm very pleased that there are people who like both, since I'm obviously passionate about that as well! 😁 I observed the large number of comments on lips not n response to my Wilson and other PNSO theropods models and hadn't realised what a divisive topic this was before! I've been putting it off till a more relevant model was reviewerd, as I knew it would be a difficult one to try to compress, but this model is too relevant for me to resist doing that. Even then my little presentation is but the crudest skeleton I could boil it down to, and so I couldn't get into the nuances or it would have been at least 45min long. I've already received a couple of comments which I have just referenced in my description box and will continue to do so, in case people want to get more indepth. When you get yours and review it, if you reference Blue Rhino Studios, I think it would be great if you put a little clip of your Blue Rhino Studios Tyrannosaurus rex "Fleshy" Statue Review in there. Believe it or not, I still enjoy rewatching that video from time to time, to experience the awe of it vicariously! 😍
Thank you but good heavens, I can't lay claim to that 🤣 There are many good reviewers and I think it depends on what you want. I'm happy that you appreciate the science part though, it's a passion of mine even if it extends the length of the video beyond what many people would prefer! 😁
Thank you very much! The lip debate was just _begging_ to be touched on for this model. It's really a beauty I have to say! The tail seam is an easy fix by the way, so you could remove that issue from consideration if you've seen my update video.
What a magnificent piece this is! I finally received mine and it has definitively dethroned Wilson as my favorite T-rex figure. The tail gap doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would, although I'm happy to report that mine does fit pretty well. It's hard to imagine a better rex coming out any time soon, but I am excited to see what Eofauna comes up with when they turn their attention to the king.
Excellent! My Kiss' tail still stubbornly refuses to go in, while my Tusk is in this respect, fixed a little better. However my main disappointment lies with the mouth and the inability to fully seal the lips in Kiss, or open the mouth in Tusk. I'm sure better brains than mine could fathom a fix, but right now I'm still scratching my head. I did hear tell of EoFauna possibly making one of the 'new' species of T Rex, but I do hope they just stick to the Rex. They are known for their scientific background and I find it unbelievable they would throw in their lot behind a paper that is so poorly written.
Man have I been waiting for this! I was seriously considering getting Kiss because the quality and sculpt work looked legit. Rebor was clever to provide one with lips and one without as well. I don't think I'll be getting it anymore though, namely because of the uncloseable jaw, the tail seam, and most importantly, the fact that it's closer to 1:30 than 1:35 scale... This girl/boy's huge! Will have to sit back and wait again I suppose, either for an updated Wilson, or Eofauna's version(s). Thank you for the wonderful breakdown of the lips v no lips debate, I thought it was a great introduction, and after listening to the arguments I am inclined towards "yes lips" (like the komodo dragons etc) rather than no... Waiting in anticipation of your next review!
Thank you for your kind words! I was putting off doing the lip debate for a while, but when it was so relevant to this model I thought it was time to get off my butt and do a little overview. Glad it gave you some insight! 🙂 As for the tail seam, please check out my update. After using a lot of force and heat, Tusk tail seam looks acceptable, but Kiss might still require some modding. The jaw is a trickier issue though, and way out of my ability to mod n my own. And yes this thing really is HUGE and will not match many 1:35s if that is your preferred scale 😥 Can't wait for an updated Wilson though!
I did indeed watch your update on the tail seam and it does look better! Unfortunately I'm... anal like that hahaha. Plus the jaw probably bothers me more than the seam... Yesss updated Wilson! But wow now that PNSO has announced its "Sinopliosaurus", I hope you'll do a review and science section on it! I really really thought it was gonna be a Suchomimus after I saw the image, then I read the description and was so disappointed... BUT, if the anatomy is close enough to a Sucho's, I might consider getting it (especially considering depression in the spinal column that's more reminiscent of an Icthyovenator), and forgetting about their naming altogether. Please do a review on it! 🙏🏼
A truly impressive achievement, Rebor deserves the praise. My one criticism of the 'scientific rex at long last' accolade, is that it seems to look slightly 'angry' as per the JP trope. Thanks for your reviews, they are easily the best on RUclips!
Thank you for your praise! I guess it's very hard to get away from anthropomorphising when it comes to T Rex. The day they come up with a lipless, completely innocent looking T rex, I'd be first in line for that!
Great review as usual! Really pulling out all the stops with regard to the lip debate! I have been on team "Lips" for a while now, because of other land tetrapods having them, the foramina count and placement, and the way the jaws articulated preventing the jaws from "closing fully", but hearing about all the studies done, and the further evidence for/against lips, was truly fascinating and explained really well. Thank you. In the midst of the debate about lips, I almost forgot about the figure itself 💀It is pretty good (shame about the tail seam though), but a bit too big for my preferred 1/35 scale, and I'm more than happy with 2020 Wilson and the 2017 Safari Tyrannosaurus. Even if they're slightly inaccurate/outdated, they're accurate enough, and just gorgeous models anyway. I'm also hoping EoFauna provides some more information on the Tyrannosaurus "imperator" (that didn't age too well lol) they teased a while back.
Thank you very much for your interest! I have to say this was something I've put off for a while since I knew it would be a monster of a topic to tackle, and I had to cut it down to the crudest presentation. Already I'm getting good feedback from viewers, with which I'll update in the description box, of various subtleties that I left out. This truly is a monster, and perhaps not a must if you can wait for PNSO's next Wilson. PNSO still holds up very well as you can see in the video, and except for the scale size, I don't see it paling at all in comparison. Plus it's closer to true 1:35. And when you look at the Safari T Rex, both the sculpt and - very rare in mass produced models these days! - the paint application looks like its belong right up there with PNSO! So if you have just these two you would be very happy. By the way you can check my video update on the tail seam. With a lot of force and heat, Tusk now looks a lot better, though Kiss might need modding. As for T _imperator_ the study was never convincing to me, and now a new paper has come out refuting its validity. So I doubt EoFauna will follow through on that, given their penchant for the latest scientific accuracy. Stil, they could still do a "gracile" and/ or "robust" morph without actually calling T _imperator_ or _regina_ ! 😁
a sensational piece, the truth is that rebor looked great with these rexes in the texturing and the detail that it presents in certain points, the only bad thing is the scale and the stability but it still looks very good, sensational review mate, greetings 😎👍
Thanks for your words! The scale is HUGE! And the size too. But I was surprised how stable this was without the stand. I definitely would not recommend not using the stand especially if you are going to place him on a shelf high up. Falling off would be disastrous.
A shame about the tail seam and issue with the jaw not fully closing, but regardless this is an impressive figure. Glad it isn't too much bigger then the Safari Ltd one as well. Now I'm just left wondering when BBTS is getting this one in. I pre-ordered the Kiss/lipped one (along with the diorama base 2 pack, and their broken horn Triceratops Trident). Love the coloration on it, and never really realized how similar it was to that one Blue Rhino Studios sculpture until now. Plus aside from the upcoming BotM figures, it's the only other option for a lipped T. rex currently. I have enough without lips in my collection, so this is a breath of fresh air. Also really appreciate the in depth look at the existing science on this controversial issue. I'm really glad Rebor took the time to make two different versions, to suit people's preferences. I wish more companies would have different options like this. If I could have afforded it, I would have ordered Tusk as well, and I like its homage to their original King T-Rex figure, which would also go nicely with their upcoming King Trident.
@Faelrin Thank you for comment! I've since posted an update video on the tail issue and after using heat and lots of force, the tail seam on Tusk is a lot more acceptable. Kiss however, I will have to have modded to close the gap. I believe it's quite variable, and some collectors have smaller seams, while others have had to do a bit of shaving. Sadly the jaw articulation is going to be harder to handle and I may have it modded. Especially with the lips, the highlight is how it seals the teeth, and it's a bit of bummer, though expected after looking at GR Toys Carcharodontosaurus. The _opening_ however is more egregious and unfortunate. Rebor seems to be a lot more out of the box than other companies when it comes to ideas. Their oddities are truly bizarre and yet attractive in an outré way. Their sculpting and paintwork is topnotch. I'm still awed by my huge Smilodon. As for the science, I have since realized what a big point of contention lips are since I did my Wilson T Rex review, and knew I probably wanted to do an overview at some point in a relevant video. What more relevant than this one! 😁 Thank you for taking the time to look at it and not just scan the figure itself, I appreciate it!
@@DinosDragons Just got done watching that video, before seeing this response, but thanks for the heads up in case I didn't. Glad it helped with Tusk at least. Too bad about Kiss though. I also noticed you have the new base 2 pack in that update video. Will you be doing a review on those at all as well? And yes I always appreciate your in depth look at the science out there. Helps me keep any potential criticisms of a figure in check, and I've also learned some things from your reviews as well, such as with the PNSO Allosaurus one last year, for example.
I love it so much. A little bigger than I'd like, but still looks wonderful and I definitely prefer it to the PNSO models. Thanks a lot for the Wild Safari rex comparison!
You are most welcome! I figured the Wild Safari is still a standard many people hold to, including myself when it comes to girth and paint application in a mass produced model! The paint application on that one really stands up! Which is why I am sad that Safari couldn't be more consistent. It's the one thing holding it, and CollectA back.
@@DinosDragons Sure, but being the $40 price difference being it and the PNSO rexes (along with the other more expensive companies) has to show somehow. It's a decent enough paint scheme for the price imo.
Thank you so much for the objective scientific insight on lips. Way too many people treat this question as if it were a religion, especially the pro-lip side. It's refreshing to hear an informed, balanced opinion that puts more emphasis on facts than personal bias.
I guess I was just lucky. The tail on mine fits really good. Can barely see the seam. The jaws on mine close all the way as well, even from repeated opening and closing. If the color change on the tail bands bothers you then just dy brush with diluted black acrylic paint. It doesn't bother me. I think this model is really nice looking. Nice job Rebor!
Thankyou for a very detailed video! I particularly love the citations which have been referenced. I have both the Rebo Kiss and PNSO Cameron. I heard about the Kiss mouth not closing fully once opened so I’ve left mine closed. I use the Cameron as a “mouth open” model although I’m tempted to get the Rebo Tusk too haha. The tail of my Kiss model seems to fit fairly neatly so perhaps Rebo resolved the issue with their later productions (mid 2023)?
It's hard to say, but I think that it could be quite a hit-and-miss. For example, a coouple of viewers told me that their lips sealed perfectly. Another used the hot blower method and his tail is seamless, whereas mine just cant go in fully. Delighted you appreciate the citations! Given that this is such a hot potato topic, I knew I was potentially stepping onto a minefield lol! I look forward to seeing what new papers come out for or against the lip issue! 😁
So, I have received ‘Kiss’ and it is the finest representation of a Tyrannosaurid yet. I did heat up the tail, spread a little superglue around the connecting portions and shoved everything together until the glue took hold. The seam is still there but minor compared to anything else I’ve seen from others who bought this same figure. I don’t even notice it anymore. My only gripe would be the transition of striping color that is black from the head, downward until you get to the actual seam connection where the striping changes to tan. ?! Why? It’s too abrupt and more noticeable than the tail seam issue. I can correct that with some drybushing of flat black over the tan striping but, hello? did no one at quality control see this? That’s very minor. Beyond that gripe, this is the best T-Rex figure available on the market, for inexpensive figures, that you can find. The sculpt is excellent, the figure balances well and it looks fantastic. I will be pinning mine to a base left over from a Tamiya dinosaur kit and add a few pieces of era appropriate vegetation. Alongside, I’ll be doing the same for a Rebor Retrosaurus to show the evolution of dinosaur art from tail dragging dead ends to a clearly formidable animal that existed through time much longer than we yet have. Please, keep up the great reviews!
Thanks for your detailed experience! Actually, the change in colour would perhaps have been an unusual splash of variety _except_ for that noticeable seam calling attention to it. The seam makes it all the more obvious that you have two pieces, and if that seam weren't present, I daresay that it would be seen as a nice touch. As it is, it only calls attention the imperfection. For me, the mouth not closing fully was a real issue, and as soon as I opened the box and saw that it had elastic tied around I had a bad feeling about it. Your idea is a splendid one. Had I the space, I would also do that. I had thought of doing that perhaps for T rex or Iguanodon, but realised it just wasn't realistic given the little space I have. Would be nice if you put up photos on your channel of this project!
Oh wow, it is finally there. And it is fantastic, i have to say. I was waiting too long on the Preorders. I wanted Kiss. It would have been my "budget Regina mundi" :D Not a Fan of the red, but the paintjob looks really well done. I really like the Feet in this Model. Gracile but heavy. Rebor finally made a Figure i am interested in. Awesome. After all this Drama. Thank you for the Video. It is always a pleasure. And fast.
Thank you for your kind words! Strangely enough, I didn't like the Regina mundi too much, but this Rebor I absolutely love. The paintjob is indeed well-done. Rebor in the models I have always show good paint apps, and most obviously for me is the sheen in the very well painted teeth. I don't have to worry about whether or not the teeth are going to have paint overruns.
@@DinosDragons Interesting with the Regina mundi, but understandable. I had that with Winter Wilson. I just did not like it as a Sculpt. Gladly, i was able to just order a Kiss from a Store located in Germany for 49 Euros. I could not be more happy. Moreover, after rewatching your Video and looking at Images of a painted Regina mundi, i have to admit, that Kiss does indeed look better overall. Rebor really did some great work this time. Also, again, your Videos with a Bonus Paleocheckup included is really fantastic.
Late to the party due to traveling, and just piling on but thanks for another great review! My lipped version should be here soon. I hope my tail gap isn’t too bad. Wry unfortunate that they didn’t get that right. I know they can since the stegosaurus is well done. Also, I agree with you about the back Of the head/neck. It does look odd to me, too.
I've since posted a tail update. After using heat and lots of force, Tusk looks a LOT better. Kiss still has a gap though, and I think I'll have to get it modded. It really is more unfortuante about the articulated jaw though. ☹
@@DinosDragons update: I just received mine! Jaw also isn’t great. Doesn’t stay fully closed, is a bit loose and doesn’t open very far. Tail seam isn’t terrible but Is noticeable. However…it is still easily my favorite Tyrannosaurus model I own. Wilson just got boxed up and shelved! It looks so intimidating and lifelike. So, so close to perfection. One question for you though. To my very untrained eye, the head seems a bit big proportionally. Do you agree or do you think it’s a matter of the amount of soft tissue Rebor is plausibly estimating?
@@michaelkawano1951 I'm no expert but it looks like Rebor nailed it. Tyrannosaurus had a enormously strong bite - that requires a lot of muscle. Obviously the strength to move and tear with head movements also required tremendous similar levels of strength. The shape seems to match the form of the reconstructed neck bones if they were massively muscular. T rex was not a lithe elegant hunter like a modern tiger, think of it more like a gigantic kodiak bear physique instead versus more slender alpha predators like Allosaurus or Giganotosaurus. The easiest way to spot the differences is looking at their skulls head on - Tyrannosaurus' skull is much wider and much denser. The teeth of T rex is shaped like thick bananas rather then knives. It was a incredibly tough and powerful animal that crushed its prey bone and all moreso then cutting
4:31 I’m actually glad that they even did that like when it opens its mouth the teeth stick out or something it’s like dinosaurs are not lizards the reptiles but they’re completely different from lizards
Normally, i don't collect very many Tyrannosaurus figures. In all honesty, it's overabundance in po culture, while understandable and well deserved kind of made it stale for me. Atleast in hobbies and media. of course the actual animal is a very different story lol. But anyway, to the point. REBOR and i have had a rocky past, never would i have thought i'd be buying what is in my opinion one of the best Tyrannosaur figures from them lol.
Haha well, never say never. I've said more than a few times in some old videos I would never buy a Nanmu/ JP dinosuar, and now I have three! Rebor in my mind has always been good on both detail and paint apps, though the third leg of that tripod for me, accuracy, isn't always there. Otherwise, they have quite an awesome offerings, including some really outré ones that show much originality of thought.
As much as the model is sweet, that tail gap is just inexcusable and an eye sore that I won't pay the $50-60 price tag and shipping for, I may as well use that money and get the BoTM 1:35 T.rex. I'll probably pass both Kiss and Tusk but instead, wait for King Trident and the Deinosuchus as well.
In fairness I just posted a video update on that. Have a look and see if the Tusk seam is acceptable for you. I am actually more concerned about that jaw 😥
@@DinosDragons I have already seen Tusk's seam and although it is better, I would probably still pass because IK they are more than capable of making that seam line completely disappear from the get-go and it was even in the promo images. All their past theropods didn't have this qc issue so IDK what happened this time around and yeah, I heard other complaints about the jaw too, still kinda tough for me to swallow that $50-60 price tag when the smaller BoTM Rex is around that price range too. But who knows? Maybe I'll eventually warm up to it and just shave a part of the excess plastic myself to keep my OCD at the minimum XD
this is an amazing figure that we waited for really long time i personally will not get it because i already have wilson and lips or lipless doesnt bother me really lately as much as i researched this i have seen many good points about both the lips and lipless case and since there is no final conclusion yet im alright with wilson and even if there was a final conclusion such small thing is not enough for me to pay that much money and space for this amazing model, not to mention that i prefer the 1:35 both for collecting reasons and space reasons and since in general shape both wilson and rebor show a very well updated trex with the bulky appearance i will sit with good old wilson here but yea this model really blew up in the figure collecting community and reasonably so, both kiss and tusk are amazing and top favourite trex figures (edit) i also want to add some extra arguments against the lips not mentioned in the video 1. with foramina count its indeed true that trex reaches 80 and doesnt even reach the lowest crocodilian foramina number 100 *but* the foramina are closer to that of the lowest crocodile number than any lipped animals, and maybe it might not even have to do even with that, river dolphins vary in extra oral tissue its either lips or they are tight like in crocodiles (like ganges river dolphin) and resulting with exposed teeth but all of them have smooth skulls even the ones with exposed teeth so in the end it might depend completely on the benefits when it comes to the life of the animals 2. in the part where you say animals dont shut the mouths tight because it would wear the teeth down, its true only because the animals used for comparison (like us humans) have teeth that come in contact with each other when our mouths are closed, theropod teeth though dont come in contact at all when the mouth is closed so the teeth cannot wear down by grinding on top of each other and here is an ironic thought: there are geckos with eyelids and geckos without eyelids...eyelids are important also for keeping the eyes moist but the species that lack eyelids lick their eyes so even without eyelids they found a solution to that problem, imagine if all gecko species that lack eyelids were extinct and we only had geckos with eyelids today, we would easily assume that the extinct ones would have eyelids true and be completely off from reality...who knows maybe dinosaurs on top of their teeth alone being strong enough to last without lips *(the one you mentioned in the video with the crocodiles staying dormant for months in dry ground and not coming in contact at all yet their teeth still being fine and well)* might have taken baths in water, lots of dinosaur species lived in environments with a lot of water like tyrannosaurus rex i myself as i said accept both views and i just want people to think like this too and not get mad over useless stuff and support 1 thing to death, we are talking about long extinct animals there are always mysteries about them, dont get mad over another opinion because this has even experts arguing, if the answer was as simple as 100% lips or 100% lipless, this debate chaos would never exist in the first place and especially not live until this day but it still exists and its not solved
I definitely agree! The PNSO still holds up very well, except for the size of the scales and the tooth slippage. But you won't get better painted insides of the mouth than in PNSO Wilson. And there are other details, like the shoulder musculature crossing the joint, the spread of the toe pads... little subtle details like that. If you don't want to get a huge 1:30 scale T Rex, you can be very happy just holding on to this Wilson... at least until PNSO comes out with the next iteration! 😁
@@DinosDragons yea i dont mind tiny mistakes like tooth slippage its even more nitpicking than lips for me and the oversized scales too are something i personally have no problem with, the feeling of handling that big figure and feel each one of the scales is amazing
A really nice figure but the tail join is disappointing. I have their older Killer Queen with same design but the tail joins much neater than this. What a great review!
Hi Richard, I've since updated on this tail issue after receiving lots of feedback and ideas. My latest video does show good improvement to Tusk, but sadly not to Kiss. It should be easily modifiable. The mouth is the real issue for me ☹
i love how informative you make your reviews ! just, one small query, where did you get this from? it doesn't seem to be on sale yet on any of the sites i know of
I have a source in China. You actually would have gotten in sooner, but given the sad situation now shipping is probably affected. I think EverythingDinosaur will have a pretty good idea when they will be getting it, given that Rebor is a UK company.
brilliant job explain explaining the science behind the lips issue...just reviewing the figure is easy but the science is main selling point in your reviews...i personally prefer no lips ..and the evidence behind the no lips in case of tyrannosaurs seems more convincing to me personally ..although i have no issue if the evidence supporting lips become more strong in the future studies...one point i want to mention about the teeth grinding issue when the jaws are closed tightly is that we experience teeth grinding because the upper jaw and lower jaw sits on each other in comparison tyrannosaurs didn't have to face this issue as the lower jaw sits completely under the upper jaw with soft tissue opening in the upper jaws....also between the PNSO and the REBOR i personally prefers the hind limb of PNSO ..the claws have more soft tissue padding and looks more natural....both figures are awesome though.
@supernova 007 : Thank you very much for your comment! I fear there were a lot of nuances that I had to skip to cut it as crudely as possible. If I had put up this presentation to close scrutiny at uni I would have failed for sure lol! I will put a note to your comment in the commentaries in my description box. Too bad I don't know a way to directly link to your comment. I agree that the PNSO is still very much an excellent model. The spread of the soft tissue is a lot better, not to mention the musculature as well. I would have gone into the hindlimb musculature but knowing myself it would have added another 5min or so I couldn't spare. For example some of the muscle attachments don't look exactly right in relation to the underlying skeletal anatomy. And you can also see from the scalation of Andrea that that really is a work of art, at a smaller scale (approx 1:35) and yet even finer than the Rebor. Ah, I too prefer the lipless look aesthetically, though _without_ the tooth slippage often depicted. That's one thing I hope PNSO can correct. And if they decided the next iteration of Wilson has lips, I think they will fly off the shelves!
@@DinosDragons thanks for putting my comment in the commentaries.....and yes you are right that all the nuances relating to scientifically accurate animal in the model form will take too much time....but you delivered it with right balance of time and information... and your point regarding the muscle attachment is what i was also thinking...moreover the skeletal accuracy is little confusing in this model as the legs seems slightly wider and going outward rather than directly under the hips...which is very well in PNSO in comparison...and the neck bump is also slightly off...but any way..it still is a very beautiful and appealing model....and yes if the PNSO will do another WILSON in the future with lips it will sell like hot cakes. Pricing in the museum line is the issue for me though.
One of my favorite T. Rex figures ever, but does anyone know if the Blue Rhino studios version is available as a figure? That is just perfect for me. Rebor's and BOTM's are close tho.
As far as I know, they don't. They only do large scale models. Usually we can always depend on some enterprising and talented pirate to do an unlicensed version of it, but I haven't seen those as well. I would love to have a Blue Rhino T Rex in miniature!
I love this model! It is a shame about the tail seam though.. I hope it is fixable though like one commentor said about shaving off the insert a little bit... and maybe gluing it too. I do agree that the neck muscles behind the head are a bit too big. The mouth also not closing all the way is a shame too. Though at least the lips are still able to be shown regardless. Makes the animal look like it's relaxing it's mouth a bit or something. I do love the subtle detail of the gastralia leaving a bump under the belly though! Really cool! I may get this model after Christmas! I think what makes the tail seam even worse is that there's little to no hint of it in the promo pictures too!
To be fair, I have an update. Using a lot more force plus heat than I had before, I got the tail seam in Tusk to be a lot better. Kiss however will need some simple modding. Regarding that peak, it's really strange, I can't even figure out how the underlying musculature would look like to create that kind of shape, even if that were muscle. The transverso spinalis capitis extend axially all the way down. So the only possibility is the different heights of the cervical spinous processes. But the tallest cervical spines are not where that little peak is. The strange thing is that Rebor's own skeletal shows a very different muscle contour. Finally, I suggest getting it now while you still can! I think it will be long gone by Christmas. Just order it in, then have your spouse and friend keep it under lock and key with strict orders not to even let you touch it until the 25th of December 🙂
@@DinosDragons Unfortunately I don't have the money right now for the figure (need to save for cat medication and to pay off my dental bill.). Christmas my dad usually gives me a few hundred to spend on whatever I want. Also don't have a spouse and my friends don't live in my area :P
Yes! I really like this figure! Cant wait to get mine. My fav Rebor figure so far! I also really really dig the color scheme. Looks menacing yet natural too. Only issue I have with it is indeed the tail part 🤔
I've posted a new video update on that. My Tusk looks a lot better now! Maybe you could live with that, though I have to say Kiss isn't much improved and will need modding.
Gotta mention though, birds also do have lips. You can see it in vultures where the areas of jaw not covered by beak close shut "skin to skin" when the mouth is closed. If they were lipless to the extent dinosaurs would need to be in order to have teeth hanging out, we would see a hole to the other side of the head when the birds mouth was closed. Additionally, enamel desiccating is not the primary concern, but more general enamel wear. This happens with lipless animals even underwater; the teeth wear down and become smooth and round. This is fine for puncturing crocodiles or stabbing tusks, but serrated blade shaped teeth are far more fragile and the serrations would wear away quickly.
Thank you very much Michelle! Always welcome insightful comments from people who know a lot! There's certainly a lot of nuance in addition to the brief skeleton I provided, but I had to keep it to a bare bones. Lots of stuff I had to cut out from my original little presentation, which would have easily been 45min alone. The definition of lips itself took 5min I coudn't spare, and likewise tooth composition which was another 4min or so. I'll reference your comment in the comment box. Let me know if there is a way to link directly to it.
@@DinosDragons Aww, thanks. Even keeping it short you covered a few things here I'd only ever heard in passing and left some interesting food for thought! Like the full potential for cornified skin. That makes a lot of sense and could end up working almost like it were a beak (but only on the outside of the mouth), or perhaps even for protection during intraspecific combat. Also, gotta agree with your ultimate conclusion; the lipless look whether likely or not will always be seriously cool.
@@Distempetor Crocodile teeth are smooth pegs, they wear down but it doesn't matter for them. Same for tusks. Dinosaur teeth are thin and serrated, completely different. As for birds having lips, they absolutely do, check the images I linked above.
@@DinosDragons yeah but unfortunately, there are some weirdos out there that do that since dinosaurs are not lizards reptiles but there are not in the lizard family
Amazing video I learned a lot, I ordered this t rex as my first piece for collecting i don't regreat it. In regards of the tail Gap I saw a youtuber cuting a bit of the internal part of an alien-dino and it fitted better in that case, probably would work the same with this one.
I've posted a video update on this. After using heat and brute force, Tusk's tail seam looks a lot better, but Kiss is about the same. I think it depends on individual model. I will have to mod Kiss' tail if I want to minmize the seam.
I love this model - the lip seal on mine was perfect and the seam between the tail and the body isn't very noticable, so I got pretty lucky! My support stand was really loose though - the bar didn't fit tightly into the other parts at all, is that a common issue or am I missing something?
I think it varies really. Different people have different experiences. I always use a stand for all bipeds, the kind that PNSO uses as I have a mix of different heights. I also use Blu-tac on the feet if necessary.
Thanks for the review, it was very helpful, especially the discussion on lips. This debate is really quite heated, and I am guessing that the latest study where scientists were able to identify a genetic mutation that triggers the growth of teeth in chicken embryos will make it even more interesting 😊
Thank you! It was something of a powderkeg I'd avoided doing for a long time, but this model was the perfect place that demanded it. The debates are ongoing, and there's always something new for and against, and the most enjoyable thing is to just sit back and watch while keeping an open mind 😀
At least it with the lip version when it opens its mouth you see its teeth because unlike with most Tyrannosaurs artwork when it opens its mouth you don’t barely see its teeth but I like you can see the teeth with this model when it opens its mouth of course.
I definitely like that. For the teeth to disappear like varanids, for me it's just a stretch too far for me to accept. So having partial teeth is nice!
My copy's tail seem line is extremely small, but the mouth bothered me a bit as it closed 99% of the way and didn't open very far. Overall, I didn't enjoy moving the mouth at all because it would also take a rather long time to close the mouth on mine due to it springing back to its precious position. So I glued the mouth shut, and I live it so much more. It is my favourite dinosaur figure as you can tell by my profile picture and it is a must have.
It's certainly a waste that one of the most important things to have perfect with a lipped dinosaurs didn't come to fruition. Your solution seems to be a pretty final solution, and makes sense for showing the lips. On the other hand my preference for Tusk would be to have it fully open, and that is a tricker problem to solve even if I wanted to go with a 'final' solution! 😅
I think you can see the high standard of PNSO with the scalation on Andrea. If PNSO does the next Wilson a lot chunkier, with lips, I think they will fly off the shelf! They would really have to up their game with the paint scheme and application though. It must be the same quality as the last Wilson, not like the other theropods they've released all with teeth overruns.
Well done for being objective overall. Only "mistake" I see is that you forgot aligators whos teeth are straight like dinosaurus and that in lipless paper sientist working know that crocodiles have caratin there, he was just trying to discribe scales best he can and shape of crocodile ceratin was closest. Other than that you covered most of debate in objective way.
Thank you I don't understand the deep emotional attachment people have to either one theory or the other. Science should be full of wonder, and humble curiosity. Even palaeontologists I know who you would imagine would be more invested, are a lot less toxic that some Internet non-palaeontologists.
I don't know about others, but I love these long and well-detailed reviews. ❤ As I always say, these videos help me a lot to learn new things and I will never say no to a long video like this. And about Rebor, man I love this company. They are without a doubt one of the best figure producers out there and I think Rebor teeth are the best teeth I've seen in figures. I have only one Rebor figure (Rebor GrabNGo Komodo Dragon / Megalania) and I can imagine the quality of these Rexes. Most of the time I try to have scientifically accurate toys/figures. With today's technology, we can predict most things correctly and I'm sure most of these toys/figures are quite accurate. And with this in-depth analysis If anyone has any doubt about lips or no lips, I'm sure you can come to a better conclusion. Between these two amazing figures, I think I love the Kiss version with lips. (I like my dinos dark😉) Thank you so much for this excellent and informative video, my dear Sir. Please keep up the good work ❤
Thank you for your kind words again! Well, I think that Rebor certainly has never disappointed paintwise. I have only their Acrocanthosaurus, Stegosaurus and Smilodon, and each time they've delivered. The teeth especially are perfectly painted with that kind of realistic enamel sheen that I haven't seen in other models except PNSO's Wilson. The thing is I only gave the crudest overview here on the lips debate. There are more arguments I didn't bring in, and even on the points I have presented, there are nuances I couldn't put in without making the whole thing just 45min. For example you can read the description box where I reference comments from different knowledgeable viewers who have raised some subtleties 😁 I love talking about science and stories behind, and I'll definitely continue to do so as long as they are relevant to the animal being reviewed! 🙂
Ah yes I forgot to mention. I usually show it, but because I couldn't get the mouth open enough with one hand while holding the torch in the other, I cut out that bit of the video. There are indeed choanae, though now that you mention it doesn't seem to be an obvious cloaca. It's just not something I actively look out for 🤣
This review went so much further with the inclusion of both sides of the fence journeymen research papers and presentations of ideas as to the pros and cons. Loved it! The lipless look has a certain appeal that, to me, isn’t just aesthetic. But I did order one of each ‘Kiss’ and ‘Tusk’. I don’t normally do that-if I have an opinion about something I follow it. But, because this is one of those areas that has no conclusive answer, I felt it best to spend the extra money. They’ll still look great together. As for the tail issue, I’ll heat both the main body and tail with a heat gun before assembly. If there’s an issue, super glue and a couple of clamps should fix things. Thanks so much for this great review.
Thank you for your kind comment! I'd put off talking about lips for the longest time, but this one was just asking for it. The hardest part was how to cut it down to the barest bones and this is really the crudest form. There are plenty of nuances I couldn't bring in without creating bloat 😅 I would say that this is destined to be one of those breakthrough pieces, the way PNSO Wilson was, so it's definitely worth it. When you don't have a fixed idea for or against the lips, then you willl definitely enjoy having both! If you look at my video update on the tail, lots of brute force and heat has my Tusk tail seam looking much better, though Kiss might need modding. But I daresay I'm not the DIY person around, so I hope you'll have better luck. But if you don't mind glueing it down, then I think the tail seam is a non-issue. I only wonder if I should get the jaw modded to achieve a better seal for Kiss when the mouth is closed, and a bigger gape for Tusk.
Hmmm I wonder if quinkana, a terrestrial crocodylomorph and other terrestrial crocodilians possesses a lips or what, considering many argue about the 'lips or no lips for hydration or lubrication of teeth'.
I dont know much about crocodylomorphs as I'm really only interested in a few specific ones, but in general I think that as long as the oral margin is shaped in that wavy form, and especially if the teeth interdigitate or deviate outwards, it will be quite hard to have a seal like lips. That said I haven't studied this... I can only speculate that aeons ago, if common ancestral condition is lipped, then somewhere early on before acquiring their present configuration, the earliest crocoylomorphs may well have had some kind of lip which then got lost.
I really like the sculpting so close to Blue Rhinos fleshy SUE. But (yes I am a nagger) ...WHY!!! That extra tail with horrible seamline? And why is the body red with black stipes and the tail suddenly red with grey 27:32 (pause) ??? I am picky but it looks a bit like the tail from another paint version (or is it the cam?) And if they made it 1/35 scale standard perhaps it would have been a little smaller but made-in-one piece beautiful sculpt. It´s like: Oh PNSO makes horrible seamlines sometimes... hold my beer - We are REBOR we can do that much better!!! Great review again - very informative , scientific and neutral. PS: and what about the ancient land living crocs and their lips/no lips? Kaprosuchus and his homies. PPS: It´s really like every good company has a strategy for nerver making a overal (perfect) great model... so that you allways want to buy the upgrade. Too big scales...next time smaller ones... seamline...next time no seamline...no seamlines perfect skin, but broken joints ... and so on
To be fair, if you have seen my video update, the tail is relatively easy to fix. It's the mouth that's going to be a big issue. But yet, exactly, because they decided to have a different striped colour scheme for the tail, PLUS the seam, it makes it really really obvious! If they had chosen to have it in the same colour, then that seam would be less obvious. This is almost asking to call attention to it. Without the seam though, it would have been a really nice and interesting change in pattern, though as you say, really quite unnecessary. Based the skull I've seen of Kaprosuchus, and its impressive tusks, I would guess it definitely had no lips. Or did you mean that as a more terrestrial croc, the fact it obviously didn't have lips can also go into the enamel argument? Speaking of Kaprosuchus, it's been one of my disappointments. I've always been used to that galloping illustration, and then years later I find out all we have is the skull and all of the rest of it is just extrapolation 😥 I have the feeling that PNSO will learn from this, and take care not to repeat some of the shortfalls of this in their next iteration of T Rex. You can see how at around 1:35 Andrea already has very fine scale detail even against Kiss/ Tusk. Imagine what they could do at 1:30. Not that I hope they will.. please stick to 1:35! By the way will you be getting the Star Ace Concavenator? Or is it too small to be considered "titanic" 😉
@@DinosDragons Yes I watched it. The pics in the shop I want to buy it and the promo pics didn t show me a seamline or no so obvious. I didn t expect one.
@@DinosDragons thanks for answering anyways! on another note I think it's really great that we get a rex that is similar looking to the prehistoric planet rex / tarbo with the lipless design and impressive bulk even if it has some minor flaws irl I think this rex model is amazing - also the information in this video was really great and it is one of the reasons why I get excited each time that you upload a new video! have a great day.!
Depends on whether you want accuracy, which is more 'accurate' in the PNSO, or whether lips are the overriding priority 😁 The Rebor is a bit overmuscled.
He does have his detractors, but reading this paper I found the reasoning very well thought out. I really enjoyed reading this paper! He also did a poster presentation on this topic as well, and even self-published a whole book on it 😁.
For right now I will pass on this figure. But if they fix the not fully closing mouth (if thats a reoccuring problem) and the tail seam, this might be my second T-rex figure to pick up. The colouration and detail is fantastic and I like the look overall very much. Lastly we do like chunky hefty figures over here of course.
@@BananaCake26 Have they never relaunched a released figure with a new paint scheme? I don‘t own any Rebor figures yet, so I wouldn‘t know but other companies do it too and sometimes make some small changes to the sculpt in the process.
I have a private source in China. You should be able to get it soon. Actually if not for the shipping delays most people in the West tend to get these models about the same time, if not sooner.
I think what PNSO might do is to decrease the extra material so that its boxes can be smaller and cheaper for shipping. When you see the box of this Rebor being really small, you see what a difference that can make... plus of course its tail is detachable so lots of space is saved.
It's a gorgeous figure, but man that tail seam... I'm wondering if heating up the area where the tail is inserted will help you push it in a bit further. It's a trick that many action figure collectors like myself use when a joint feels like it's stuck. Heating up the plastic for maybe 20 seconds or so with hot water or a hair dryer will temporarily make it more malleable.
Thank you, I've since posted an update on this issue. Using plenty of force as well as heat, I was able to get Tusk to fit more seamlessly. But Kiss will need a little modding. I'm actually more annoyed by the jaw not closing fully ☹
@@DinosDragons Applying some heat to the area where the lower jaw connects and then moving it up and down a bit as it cools might solve this problem as well.
Well I think most Chinese know what it is, though sadly the imports from Thailand have dropped due to the pandemic. Lockdowns and shipping delays don't help much. D24 has a nice balance of flavours, though I recently have been more interested in MSWs. Thanks for paying attention lol! 😁
🤣🤣 Papo seems to have a different focus for a completely different niche though. Still, I remember when they were the rage, being so up there with detail and sculpting. I have Carnotaurus and Allosaurus from them, and Allosaurus in particular blew my mind when it came out. I can't wait to see what PNSO does with T rex next. If they can find a way to engineer an articulated, lipped mouth so that it closes, I expect sales for them to go through the roof!
I have a source in China. It was released just this week and hopefully shipping schedules to other countries won't be too badly affected. The situation now is a very difficult one.
Probably not. I'm not too interested in crocodylians, except Deinosuchus. But I would have to see more pictures. The scale morphology of the Rebor Sarcosuchus I will need to think about though. It's not what I would have expected.
Haha thank you. And the subtitles are out now! Sorry usually it takes a while before I can post it, and then sometime again before it actually gets updated. Try again! 🙏
It's hard to say now. Rebors tend to get sold out unless they do a second run. You could try Everything Dinosaur or try asking Dan's Dinosaurs. Other than that, probably on the secondary market such as EBay.
I've since posted an update on the tail issue. In the video you'll see that using force and heat, I managed to mprove the gap in the Tusk model, but sadly with less success in Kiss. It should be an easy fix though. The key issue for me is the articulated jaw.
Oh, there's no doubt in my mind - speaking as a paleontologist - that 48' would be easily within the range of intraspecific variability for T. rex - the longest known individuals hover around the 12.5 to 13 meter mark or about 42' - even looking at our OWN species, where the average man is 5'9" in the west and 5'7" if you average all men across all nations and ethnicities globally, you get SIGNIFICANTLY larger individuals. Even for myself, I'm "only" 6'2" but consider this: at 6'2", compared to the average 5'9" western man, I am 5 inches taller than average or nearly half a FOOT taller than average - or about 7.5% taller than the average man and 10.5% taller than the GLOBAL male average. If you applied that to T. rex, an individual coming in at 7.5% LONGER than the KNOWN adult specimens would be over 45' long and if 10% longer would be over 46' long. Now, take into account individuals like 7'2" Shaq - he is 17 inches taller than the 5'9" average western male or 24.6% taller - which if you apply it to T. rex would go from around a 40' average for adults to just under 50 feet long. That's not even accounting for even larger individuals like the nearly 9 foot tall Robert Pershing Wadlow. It's NOT something that only manifests in humans, either - the average African elephant male is 10 feet at the shoulder and weighs in at around 5 tons .But there have been exceptions - one freakish male was 13 feet at the shoulder and weighed in at around 10 tons - TWICE the typical mass. The average blue whale is 90 feet long as an adult and reaches an adult weight of between 100 and 140 tons - but the largest RECORDED individual was 110 feet long and weighed in at a staggering 230 tons - about twice the size of the average. There have been massive cattle, gigantic dogs and freakish rabbits and of course, Gustav the enormous 25+ foot Nile crocodile. My point is, the fossil record only records the individuals lucky enough to have been preserved in the right way at the right time and does NOT preserve the vast majority of individuals. It stands to reason that, as with any species, there WOULD be gigantism present in T. rex - individuals FAR exceeding even Scotty or Sue - and so I think a 48 foot Tyrannosaur is EASILY within that range. If I had to guess, the maximum LIKELY for a freak of nature, once-in-a-century T. rex with gigantism would be somewhere in the range of 50 to 57 feet long and 6 meters at the hips, or just under 20 feet (compare that to Scotty or Sue, who are 4 to 4.5 meters or around 13-14 feet at the hips. This MEGA rex would easily be able to scrape the bottom of a 25 foot high underpass with its head and would be about as long as one of the big 18-wheel transport trucks you see on the road. It would weigh probably around 15 tons (as opposed to Scotty's mass of just under 10 tons). I'd say that's ENTIRELY reasonable given the range of sizes present in EVERY species - gigantism is real and it happens on rare occasions and when it does, you are usually looking at an individual not just a LITTLE larger than average but a LOT larger than average. A 50 foot rex is therefore entirely conceivable (in fact, Mark Witton was just recently musing on the maximum attainable size for a T. rex and whether there wasn't at some point a massive individual far surpassing all others). I just find it interesting to note that there's a HUGELY conservative view that dominates when it comes to estimating maximum theropod sizes when a brief survey of any given 10 or 20 modern species WILL reveal gigantism at work on rare occasions and the individuals are often HUGE compared to the others (and to clarify, no, Scotty and Sue do not represent any form of gigantism within T. rex - they simply represent very mature individuals who have attained their full NATURAL size and were lucky enough to be fossilized for us to find). A list of gigantic specimens by species with the species average: 1. Shire horse: Average: 68 inches at the shoulder Largest individual recorded: Sampson, 86 inches at the shoulder Size disparity: 26.5% larger 2. Human being (homo sapiens): Average male: 67" globally (5'7") Tallest recorded: Robert Pershing Wadlow - 8'11" (107 inches) Size disparity: 60% 3. African lion: Average male: 400 lbs Largest recorded male: 690 lbs Size disparity: 72.5% 4. African elephant Average bull weight: 5 tons (10,000 lbs), 10' at the shoulder Largest recorded bull: 12 tons (24,000 lbs), 13' at the shoulder Size disparity: 140% (weight) and 30% (height) 5. Moose (Elk) Average bull: 72" (6 feet) at the shoulder and up to 1,400 lbs Largest bull recorded: 7.6 feet at the shoulder and 1,808 lbs size disparity: 26.7% (height) and 29% (weight). I could go on - the point is made already, though, and that is that the size disparity between the average adult size and the largest recorded size among living animals is very frequently substantial - at least 25% for height/length and up to 140% for mass. GOING by that, I'd posit a 25% to 30% larger maximum length vs the large adult lengths we are familiar with - which takes us to a maximum achievable length of 52.5 to just under 55 feet long if we take 42 feet (13 meters) as representing the typical maximum size for an old adult. For height, that would take us to around 16.5 feet at the hips to about 18 to 19' if we assume a maximum normal height of 13.5 to 14' or so - which brings the height at the top of the high point of the nec, posture depending, at around 20 to 22' if we presume a 30% size disparity between the true max and what we see in the fossil record. And in terms of mass, that variability is a lot higher simply because mass increases very rapidly with increased dimensions - much faster than height or length does - as you can see from the African Elephant example, there 140% increase in mass for a 30% increase in height or over 4 to 1, while the moose, owing to its more gangly build, doesnt increase nearly as much in mass. Given the build of T. rex, it's safe to presume the mass would at least stay in line with the length or height disparity and in fact eclipse it by a fair margin - so a 50% heavier over a 10 ton max bringing it to 15 tons is right in the range I posit above. There you have it. I posit a maximum POSSIBLE size for T. rex of around 55 feet long, 18 to 19 feet at the hips and a mass of no less than 15 tons. Bear in mind, we're talking about an absolute monster - a freak - the T. rex equivalent to Yao Ming or even Robert Pershing Wadlow compared to the average man. This would be a one-in-a-million T. rex - the kind of animal ALL other tyrannosaurs in the area would make way for and never dare challenge - the kind of animal you'd only see every several generations or more - maybe several centuries. Somewhere, at some point, a T. rex that big - I can almost guarantee - did exist - and no, if you're wondering, it does not violate the square-cubed law for that to happen. It's just on the extreme end of attainable biped masses, most likely.
Absolutely love your considered reply! Will put a note to look for your post in my descriptions box. I only wish there was a way to link to individual comments. I'm starting to get some really knowledgeable additions come in. Thank you for your very considered and educated post! Based on your argument I would say that your estimate of lengthwise and extrapolation to mass increases certainly sound reasonable. What are your thoughts regarding the surface/volume ratio of 5.55 esimated in the Reolid 2021 paper for Tyrannosaurus? Granted it used some dinosaur models now probably considered out of date (ironically they used an older Rebor Tyrannosaurus) but that mathematics seems sound to me. Also, this Rebor looks like it's volumetrically expanded in all directions, whereas in the range for extant animals you list, this does not seem to be the case. In humans for example height differences long limb bones contribute disproportionately more than overall scaling differences. Are you good with this morph as a large T Rex in 1:35 scale?
amazing and very valid argument for t rex potentially being 48 ft. I completely agree, and id also like to put some of my own input: you used mammals only for the giant outlier species but it is just as common for reptiles and fish to grow to extreme sizes (although still rare), such as the 18.8M long Whale shark recorded (avg whale shark is 5-12m long (12m being the upper end), and the largest Nile Crocodile weighing 2500lbs (1100lbs over the upper upper end of an adult male). It is without a doubt in my mind that T rex could have reached well over 10,000 kg in particularly large individuals! have a great day :)
Amazing video absolutely loved my figure should be coming tomorrow but I believe dinosaurs were lipped because exposed teeth for me makes them look dumb but the lips makes them look wiser and intelligent but it is what it is.
In fairness, I did an update on this. I applied a lot more force and heat than before, and you will see that Tusk looks really good now, although Kiss still has a very visible gap in the tail. The jaw too, I may have to mod it.
In fairness, there are a few things that can be tried. Please check out my latest video update. Need lots more force and heat than I thought. But there is some variability. My Tusk looks a lot better, but Kiss still has a very visible gap.
Rebor wins the first time against PNSO. That's not to say Wilson was BAD when it came out, but clearly we can see every improvement Kiss has over him. Also, I like lips because it looks more natural. You can tell if something is *natural* just by looking at it, without profound knowledge of paleontology or anatomy. It's an instinct. "Lipless" is still possible, but all those lipless models just hadn't done it right. Maybe someday PNSO can make a really natural-looking lipless theropod model and that's when I change my mind.
I consider this Rebor one of those landmark models you know were a significant point in the history of dinosaur models. I hope that one day they might do an improved version with fully closing lips. Lol reading your comment I can imagine some reviewer doing a head-to-head comparison between PNSO and Rebor Mortak Kombat style, ending with "Fatality! Rebor wins!"
I have to say that PNSO still has much finer scales. I hope they do an updated Wilson, and take the chance on lips in future! But it must be painted to the same quality as their previous Wilson, including much better painted teeth, and hopefully a more creative skin pattern. Did you mean Rebor's Deinosuchus? I have been looking for an updated Deinosuchus to my old Carnegie. It's actually the only crocodylian I am really interested in.
Man you really have the best figure reviews on RUclips. No other review channel has such an in depth look at the science of these animals. Great stuff man
Thank you very much! Glad that you appreciate the science too! I would say that it's pretty niche and so would appeal mainly to those who would like to know more other than just a quick once over of the model or toy. There are many people who probably think it's the worst channel because they have to "waste time" looking for just the figure parts. So it's all relative 😁
I agree these reviews are very informative
So nice to hear a truly objective overview on the lip/lipless debate coming from a review channel. Your channel is the only one that gets my hyped for both models and the science behind them at the same time. Can’t wait to get mine, thanks for sharing!
Thank you, I'm very pleased that there are people who like both, since I'm obviously passionate about that as well! 😁
I observed the large number of comments on lips not n response to my Wilson and other PNSO theropods models and hadn't realised what a divisive topic this was before! I've been putting it off till a more relevant model was reviewerd, as I knew it would be a difficult one to try to compress, but this model is too relevant for me to resist doing that.
Even then my little presentation is but the crudest skeleton I could boil it down to, and so I couldn't get into the nuances or it would have been at least 45min long. I've already received a couple of comments which I have just referenced in my description box and will continue to do so, in case people want to get more indepth.
When you get yours and review it, if you reference Blue Rhino Studios, I think it would be great if you put a little clip of your Blue Rhino Studios Tyrannosaurus rex "Fleshy" Statue Review in there. Believe it or not, I still enjoy rewatching that video from time to time, to experience the awe of it vicariously! 😍
The tail gap is Inexcusable.
I've seen posted an update on this. See what you think of the seam in the Tusk. But Kiss still has a large gap.
No doubt the best Dinosaur model/figure reviewer on RUclips! Will forever love your in depth scientific analysis, thank you DD!
Thank you but good heavens, I can't lay claim to that 🤣 There are many good reviewers and I think it depends on what you want. I'm happy that you appreciate the science part though, it's a passion of mine even if it extends the length of the video beyond what many people would prefer! 😁
So glad I pre-ordered this rex and I cannot wait for it to arrive and as always your videos go above and beyond 11/10.
Thank you very much! The lip debate was just _begging_ to be touched on for this model. It's really a beauty I have to say! The tail seam is an easy fix by the way, so you could remove that issue from consideration if you've seen my update video.
I was just looking for reviews of this yesterday and I'm glad my favorite reviewer delivered!
Lol thank you! Be sure to also check out my update on tail to get a fairer idea of this model!
What a magnificent piece this is! I finally received mine and it has definitively dethroned Wilson as my favorite T-rex figure. The tail gap doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would, although I'm happy to report that mine does fit pretty well. It's hard to imagine a better rex coming out any time soon, but I am excited to see what Eofauna comes up with when they turn their attention to the king.
Excellent! My Kiss' tail still stubbornly refuses to go in, while my Tusk is in this respect, fixed a little better. However my main disappointment lies with the mouth and the inability to fully seal the lips in Kiss, or open the mouth in Tusk. I'm sure better brains than mine could fathom a fix, but right now I'm still scratching my head.
I did hear tell of EoFauna possibly making one of the 'new' species of T Rex, but I do hope they just stick to the Rex. They are known for their scientific background and I find it unbelievable they would throw in their lot behind a paper that is so poorly written.
this is such a win for Rebor! amazing scale detail, especially for Rebor who have been berated for scales too big before! character development!!
It definitely is. I would consider this, just like PNSO Wilson, to be a landmark moment for T Rex models!
Man have I been waiting for this! I was seriously considering getting Kiss because the quality and sculpt work looked legit. Rebor was clever to provide one with lips and one without as well.
I don't think I'll be getting it anymore though, namely because of the uncloseable jaw, the tail seam, and most importantly, the fact that it's closer to 1:30 than 1:35 scale... This girl/boy's huge! Will have to sit back and wait again I suppose, either for an updated Wilson, or Eofauna's version(s).
Thank you for the wonderful breakdown of the lips v no lips debate, I thought it was a great introduction, and after listening to the arguments I am inclined towards "yes lips" (like the komodo dragons etc) rather than no...
Waiting in anticipation of your next review!
Thank you for your kind words! I was putting off doing the lip debate for a while, but when it was so relevant to this model I thought it was time to get off my butt and do a little overview. Glad it gave you some insight! 🙂
As for the tail seam, please check out my update. After using a lot of force and heat, Tusk tail seam looks acceptable, but Kiss might still require some modding. The jaw is a trickier issue though, and way out of my ability to mod n my own.
And yes this thing really is HUGE and will not match many 1:35s if that is your preferred scale 😥
Can't wait for an updated Wilson though!
I did indeed watch your update on the tail seam and it does look better! Unfortunately I'm... anal like that hahaha. Plus the jaw probably bothers me more than the seam...
Yesss updated Wilson! But wow now that PNSO has announced its "Sinopliosaurus", I hope you'll do a review and science section on it! I really really thought it was gonna be a Suchomimus after I saw the image, then I read the description and was so disappointed... BUT, if the anatomy is close enough to a Sucho's, I might consider getting it (especially considering depression in the spinal column that's more reminiscent of an Icthyovenator), and forgetting about their naming altogether. Please do a review on it! 🙏🏼
are there any previews of eofauna's trex?
A truly impressive achievement, Rebor deserves the praise. My one criticism of the 'scientific rex at long last' accolade, is that it seems to look slightly 'angry' as per the JP trope.
Thanks for your reviews, they are easily the best on RUclips!
Thank you for your praise! I guess it's very hard to get away from anthropomorphising when it comes to T Rex. The day they come up with a lipless, completely innocent looking T rex, I'd be first in line for that!
Great review as usual! Really pulling out all the stops with regard to the lip debate! I have been on team "Lips" for a while now, because of other land tetrapods having them, the foramina count and placement, and the way the jaws articulated preventing the jaws from "closing fully", but hearing about all the studies done, and the further evidence for/against lips, was truly fascinating and explained really well. Thank you.
In the midst of the debate about lips, I almost forgot about the figure itself 💀It is pretty good (shame about the tail seam though), but a bit too big for my preferred 1/35 scale, and I'm more than happy with 2020 Wilson and the 2017 Safari Tyrannosaurus. Even if they're slightly inaccurate/outdated, they're accurate enough, and just gorgeous models anyway. I'm also hoping EoFauna provides some more information on the Tyrannosaurus "imperator" (that didn't age too well lol) they teased a while back.
Thank you very much for your interest! I have to say this was something I've put off for a while since I knew it would be a monster of a topic to tackle, and I had to cut it down to the crudest presentation. Already I'm getting good feedback from viewers, with which I'll update in the description box, of various subtleties that I left out.
This truly is a monster, and perhaps not a must if you can wait for PNSO's next Wilson. PNSO still holds up very well as you can see in the video, and except for the scale size, I don't see it paling at all in comparison. Plus it's closer to true 1:35. And when you look at the Safari T Rex, both the sculpt and - very rare in mass produced models these days! - the paint application looks like its belong right up there with PNSO! So if you have just these two you would be very happy.
By the way you can check my video update on the tail seam. With a lot of force and heat, Tusk now looks a lot better, though Kiss might need modding.
As for T _imperator_ the study was never convincing to me, and now a new paper has come out refuting its validity. So I doubt EoFauna will follow through on that, given their penchant for the latest scientific accuracy. Stil, they could still do a "gracile" and/ or "robust" morph without actually calling T _imperator_ or _regina_ ! 😁
All of those lip favour points are debunked
@@Distempetor Please let me have your references and I'll check them out. If they're credible I'll put them in my description box.
@@DinosDragons sure
@@DinosDragons I made a vid on the topic a while back that covers the topic
a sensational piece, the truth is that rebor looked great with these rexes in the texturing and the detail that it presents in certain points, the only bad thing is the scale and the stability but it still looks very good, sensational review mate, greetings 😎👍
Thanks for your words!
The scale is HUGE! And the size too. But I was surprised how stable this was without the stand. I definitely would not recommend not using the stand especially if you are going to place him on a shelf high up. Falling off would be disastrous.
A shame about the tail seam and issue with the jaw not fully closing, but regardless this is an impressive figure. Glad it isn't too much bigger then the Safari Ltd one as well. Now I'm just left wondering when BBTS is getting this one in. I pre-ordered the Kiss/lipped one (along with the diorama base 2 pack, and their broken horn Triceratops Trident). Love the coloration on it, and never really realized how similar it was to that one Blue Rhino Studios sculpture until now. Plus aside from the upcoming BotM figures, it's the only other option for a lipped T. rex currently. I have enough without lips in my collection, so this is a breath of fresh air.
Also really appreciate the in depth look at the existing science on this controversial issue. I'm really glad Rebor took the time to make two different versions, to suit people's preferences. I wish more companies would have different options like this. If I could have afforded it, I would have ordered Tusk as well, and I like its homage to their original King T-Rex figure, which would also go nicely with their upcoming King Trident.
@Faelrin Thank you for comment! I've since posted an update video on the tail issue and after using heat and lots of force, the tail seam on Tusk is a lot more acceptable. Kiss however, I will have to have modded to close the gap. I believe it's quite variable, and some collectors have smaller seams, while others have had to do a bit of shaving.
Sadly the jaw articulation is going to be harder to handle and I may have it modded. Especially with the lips, the highlight is how it seals the teeth, and it's a bit of bummer, though expected after looking at GR Toys Carcharodontosaurus. The _opening_ however is more egregious and unfortunate.
Rebor seems to be a lot more out of the box than other companies when it comes to ideas. Their oddities are truly bizarre and yet attractive in an outré way. Their sculpting and paintwork is topnotch. I'm still awed by my huge Smilodon.
As for the science, I have since realized what a big point of contention lips are since I did my Wilson T Rex review, and knew I probably wanted to do an overview at some point in a relevant video. What more relevant than this one! 😁 Thank you for taking the time to look at it and not just scan the figure itself, I appreciate it!
@@DinosDragons Just got done watching that video, before seeing this response, but thanks for the heads up in case I didn't. Glad it helped with Tusk at least. Too bad about Kiss though. I also noticed you have the new base 2 pack in that update video. Will you be doing a review on those at all as well?
And yes I always appreciate your in depth look at the science out there. Helps me keep any potential criticisms of a figure in check, and I've also learned some things from your reviews as well, such as with the PNSO Allosaurus one last year, for example.
I love it so much. A little bigger than I'd like, but still looks wonderful and I definitely prefer it to the PNSO models. Thanks a lot for the Wild Safari rex comparison!
You are most welcome! I figured the Wild Safari is still a standard many people hold to, including myself when it comes to girth and paint application in a mass produced model! The paint application on that one really stands up! Which is why I am sad that Safari couldn't be more consistent. It's the one thing holding it, and CollectA back.
@@DinosDragons Sure, but being the $40 price difference being it and the PNSO rexes (along with the other more expensive companies) has to show somehow. It's a decent enough paint scheme for the price imo.
This was an amazing review i loved it. Keep it up.
Thank you, it seems like there's never ever any shortage of things to say about T rex! 🤣
Thank you so much for the objective scientific insight on lips. Way too many people treat this question as if it were a religion, especially the pro-lip side. It's refreshing to hear an informed, balanced opinion that puts more emphasis on facts than personal bias.
I guess I was just lucky. The tail on mine fits really good. Can barely see the seam. The jaws on mine close all the way as well, even from repeated opening and closing. If the color change on the tail bands bothers you then just dy brush with diluted black acrylic paint. It doesn't bother me. I think this model is really nice looking. Nice job Rebor!
You have, then, a model that all the rest of us should have gotten. Congrats! 😁
Your reviews really are something else.
Haha thank you very much for that! 😁
Thankyou for a very detailed video! I particularly love the citations which have been referenced. I have both the Rebo Kiss and PNSO Cameron. I heard about the Kiss mouth not closing fully once opened so I’ve left mine closed. I use the Cameron as a “mouth open” model although I’m tempted to get the Rebo Tusk too haha. The tail of my Kiss model seems to fit fairly neatly so perhaps Rebo resolved the issue with their later productions (mid 2023)?
It's hard to say, but I think that it could be quite a hit-and-miss. For example, a coouple of viewers told me that their lips sealed perfectly. Another used the hot blower method and his tail is seamless, whereas mine just cant go in fully.
Delighted you appreciate the citations! Given that this is such a hot potato topic, I knew I was potentially stepping onto a minefield lol! I look forward to seeing what new papers come out for or against the lip issue! 😁
I love your reviews, keep up the good work!
I had a question about this figure: what material is it made of? PVC or resin?
Thank you!
I believe it's a mix of PVC and ABS. Definitely not resin I would think! I've dropped this monster a couple of times and it's still alive 🤣
@@DinosDragons thank u!^^
So, I have received ‘Kiss’ and it is the finest representation of a Tyrannosaurid yet.
I did heat up the tail, spread a little superglue around the connecting portions and shoved everything together until the glue took hold. The seam is still there but minor compared to anything else I’ve seen from others who bought this same figure. I don’t even notice it anymore.
My only gripe would be the transition of striping color that is black from the head, downward until you get to the actual seam connection where the striping changes to tan.
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Why?
It’s too abrupt and more noticeable than the tail seam issue.
I can correct that with some drybushing of flat black over the tan striping but, hello? did no one at quality control see this?
That’s very minor.
Beyond that gripe, this is the best T-Rex figure available on the market, for inexpensive figures, that you can find.
The sculpt is excellent, the figure balances well and it looks fantastic.
I will be pinning mine to a base left over from a Tamiya dinosaur kit and add a few pieces of era appropriate vegetation.
Alongside, I’ll be doing the same for a Rebor Retrosaurus to show the evolution of dinosaur art from tail dragging dead ends to a clearly formidable animal that existed through time much longer than we yet have.
Please, keep up the great reviews!
Thanks for your detailed experience! Actually, the change in colour would perhaps have been an unusual splash of variety _except_ for that noticeable seam calling attention to it. The seam makes it all the more obvious that you have two pieces, and if that seam weren't present, I daresay that it would be seen as a nice touch. As it is, it only calls attention the imperfection. For me, the mouth not closing fully was a real issue, and as soon as I opened the box and saw that it had elastic tied around I had a bad feeling about it.
Your idea is a splendid one. Had I the space, I would also do that. I had thought of doing that perhaps for T rex or Iguanodon, but realised it just wasn't realistic given the little space I have. Would be nice if you put up photos on your channel of this project!
Oh wow, it is finally there. And it is fantastic, i have to say. I was waiting too long on the Preorders. I wanted Kiss. It would have been my "budget Regina mundi" :D Not a Fan of the red, but the paintjob looks really well done. I really like the Feet in this Model. Gracile but heavy. Rebor finally made a Figure i am interested in. Awesome. After all this Drama.
Thank you for the Video. It is always a pleasure. And fast.
Thank you for your kind words! Strangely enough, I didn't like the Regina mundi too much, but this Rebor I absolutely love. The paintjob is indeed well-done. Rebor in the models I have always show good paint apps, and most obviously for me is the sheen in the very well painted teeth. I don't have to worry about whether or not the teeth are going to have paint overruns.
@@DinosDragons Interesting with the Regina mundi, but understandable. I had that with Winter Wilson. I just did not like it as a Sculpt. Gladly, i was able to just order a Kiss from a Store located in Germany for 49 Euros. I could not be more happy. Moreover, after rewatching your Video and looking at Images of a painted Regina mundi, i have to admit, that Kiss does indeed look better overall. Rebor really did some great work this time. Also, again, your Videos with a Bonus Paleocheckup included is really fantastic.
Loved it. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! You're most welcome!
Late to the party due to traveling, and just piling on but thanks for another great review! My lipped version should be here soon. I hope my tail gap isn’t too bad. Wry unfortunate that they didn’t get that right. I know they can since the stegosaurus is well done. Also, I agree with you about the back Of the head/neck. It does look odd to me, too.
I've since posted a tail update. After using heat and lots of force, Tusk looks a LOT better. Kiss still has a gap though, and I think I'll have to get it modded. It really is more unfortuante about the articulated jaw though. ☹
@@DinosDragons update: I just received mine! Jaw also isn’t great. Doesn’t stay fully closed, is a bit loose and doesn’t open very far. Tail seam isn’t terrible but Is noticeable.
However…it is still easily my favorite Tyrannosaurus model I own. Wilson just got boxed up and shelved! It looks so intimidating and lifelike. So, so close to perfection.
One question for you though. To my very untrained eye, the head seems a bit big proportionally. Do you agree or do you think it’s a matter of the amount of soft tissue Rebor is plausibly estimating?
@@michaelkawano1951 I'm no expert but it looks like Rebor nailed it. Tyrannosaurus had a enormously strong bite - that requires a lot of muscle. Obviously the strength to move and tear with head movements also required tremendous similar levels of strength. The shape seems to match the form of the reconstructed neck bones if they were massively muscular. T rex was not a lithe elegant hunter like a modern tiger, think of it more like a gigantic kodiak bear physique instead versus more slender alpha predators like Allosaurus or Giganotosaurus. The easiest way to spot the differences is looking at their skulls head on - Tyrannosaurus' skull is much wider and much denser. The teeth of T rex is shaped like thick bananas rather then knives. It was a incredibly tough and powerful animal that crushed its prey bone and all moreso then cutting
4:31 I’m actually glad that they even did that like when it opens its mouth the teeth stick out or something it’s like dinosaurs are not lizards the reptiles but they’re completely different from lizards
For sure! I have accepted lips now, but to accept a toothless gape is something I can't accept!
Normally, i don't collect very many Tyrannosaurus figures. In all honesty, it's overabundance in po culture, while understandable and well deserved kind of made it stale for me. Atleast in hobbies and media. of course the actual animal is a very different story lol.
But anyway, to the point. REBOR and i have had a rocky past, never would i have thought i'd be buying what is in my opinion one of the best Tyrannosaur figures from them lol.
Haha well, never say never. I've said more than a few times in some old videos I would never buy a Nanmu/ JP dinosuar, and now I have three! Rebor in my mind has always been good on both detail and paint apps, though the third leg of that tripod for me, accuracy, isn't always there. Otherwise, they have quite an awesome offerings, including some really outré ones that show much originality of thought.
As much as the model is sweet, that tail gap is just inexcusable and an eye sore that I won't pay the $50-60 price tag and shipping for, I may as well use that money and get the BoTM 1:35 T.rex.
I'll probably pass both Kiss and Tusk but instead, wait for King Trident and the Deinosuchus as well.
In fairness I just posted a video update on that. Have a look and see if the Tusk seam is acceptable for you. I am actually more concerned about that jaw 😥
@@DinosDragons I have already seen Tusk's seam and although it is better, I would probably still pass because IK they are more than capable of making that seam line completely disappear from the get-go and it was even in the promo images. All their past theropods didn't have this qc issue so IDK what happened this time around and yeah, I heard other complaints about the jaw too, still kinda tough for me to swallow that $50-60 price tag when the smaller BoTM Rex is around that price range too. But who knows? Maybe I'll eventually warm up to it and just shave a part of the excess plastic myself to keep my OCD at the minimum XD
this is an amazing figure that we waited for really long time
i personally will not get it because i already have wilson and lips or lipless doesnt bother me really lately as much as i researched this i have seen many good points about both the lips and lipless case and since there is no final conclusion yet im alright with wilson and even if there was a final conclusion such small thing is not enough for me to pay that much money and space for this amazing model, not to mention that i prefer the 1:35 both for collecting reasons and space reasons and since in general shape both wilson and rebor show a very well updated trex with the bulky appearance i will sit with good old wilson here
but yea this model really blew up in the figure collecting community and reasonably so, both kiss and tusk are amazing and top favourite trex figures
(edit) i also want to add some extra arguments against the lips not mentioned in the video
1. with foramina count its indeed true that trex reaches 80 and doesnt even reach the lowest crocodilian foramina number 100 *but* the foramina are closer to that of the lowest crocodile number than any lipped animals, and maybe it might not even have to do even with that, river dolphins vary in extra oral tissue its either lips or they are tight like in crocodiles (like ganges river dolphin) and resulting with exposed teeth but all of them have smooth skulls even the ones with exposed teeth so in the end it might depend completely on the benefits when it comes to the life of the animals
2. in the part where you say animals dont shut the mouths tight because it would wear the teeth down, its true only because the animals used for comparison (like us humans) have teeth that come in contact with each other when our mouths are closed, theropod teeth though dont come in contact at all when the mouth is closed so the teeth cannot wear down by grinding on top of each other
and here is an ironic thought: there are geckos with eyelids and geckos without eyelids...eyelids are important also for keeping the eyes moist but the species that lack eyelids lick their eyes so even without eyelids they found a solution to that problem, imagine if all gecko species that lack eyelids were extinct and we only had geckos with eyelids today, we would easily assume that the extinct ones would have eyelids true and be completely off from reality...who knows maybe dinosaurs on top of their teeth alone being strong enough to last without lips *(the one you mentioned in the video with the crocodiles staying dormant for months in dry ground and not coming in contact at all yet their teeth still being fine and well)* might have taken baths in water, lots of dinosaur species lived in environments with a lot of water like tyrannosaurus rex
i myself as i said accept both views and i just want people to think like this too and not get mad over useless stuff and support 1 thing to death, we are talking about long extinct animals there are always mysteries about them, dont get mad over another opinion because this has even experts arguing, if the answer was as simple as 100% lips or 100% lipless, this debate chaos would never exist in the first place and especially not live until this day but it still exists and its not solved
I definitely agree! The PNSO still holds up very well, except for the size of the scales and the tooth slippage. But you won't get better painted insides of the mouth than in PNSO Wilson. And there are other details, like the shoulder musculature crossing the joint, the spread of the toe pads... little subtle details like that. If you don't want to get a huge 1:30 scale T Rex, you can be very happy just holding on to this Wilson... at least until PNSO comes out with the next iteration! 😁
@@DinosDragons yea i dont mind tiny mistakes like tooth slippage its even more nitpicking than lips for me and the oversized scales too are something i personally have no problem with, the feeling of handling that big figure and feel each one of the scales is amazing
A really nice figure but the tail join is disappointing. I have their older Killer Queen with same design but the tail joins much neater than this. What a great review!
Hi Richard, I've since updated on this tail issue after receiving lots of feedback and ideas. My latest video does show good improvement to Tusk, but sadly not to Kiss. It should be easily modifiable. The mouth is the real issue for me ☹
nice review
Thank you!
i love how informative you make your reviews ! just, one small query, where did you get this from? it doesn't seem to be on sale yet on any of the sites i know of
I have a source in China. You actually would have gotten in sooner, but given the sad situation now shipping is probably affected. I think EverythingDinosaur will have a pretty good idea when they will be getting it, given that Rebor is a UK company.
@@DinosDragons that's very good to know, I'll go bother them then,thank you!
brilliant job explain explaining the science behind the lips issue...just reviewing the figure is easy but the science is main selling point in your reviews...i personally prefer no lips ..and the evidence behind the no lips in case of tyrannosaurs seems more convincing to me personally ..although i have no issue if the evidence supporting lips become more strong in the future studies...one point i want to mention about the teeth grinding issue when the jaws are closed tightly is that we experience teeth grinding because the upper jaw and lower jaw sits on each other in comparison tyrannosaurs didn't have to face this issue as the lower jaw sits completely under the upper jaw with soft tissue opening in the upper jaws....also between the PNSO and the REBOR i personally prefers the hind limb of PNSO ..the claws have more soft tissue padding and looks more natural....both figures are awesome though.
@supernova 007 : Thank you very much for your comment! I fear there were a lot of nuances that I had to skip to cut it as crudely as possible. If I had put up this presentation to close scrutiny at uni I would have failed for sure lol! I will put a note to your comment in the commentaries in my description box. Too bad I don't know a way to directly link to your comment.
I agree that the PNSO is still very much an excellent model. The spread of the soft tissue is a lot better, not to mention the musculature as well. I would have gone into the hindlimb musculature but knowing myself it would have added another 5min or so I couldn't spare. For example some of the muscle attachments don't look exactly right in relation to the underlying skeletal anatomy. And you can also see from the scalation of Andrea that that really is a work of art, at a smaller scale (approx 1:35) and yet even finer than the Rebor.
Ah, I too prefer the lipless look aesthetically, though _without_ the tooth slippage often depicted. That's one thing I hope PNSO can correct. And if they decided the next iteration of Wilson has lips, I think they will fly off the shelves!
@@DinosDragons thanks for putting my comment in the commentaries.....and yes you are right that all the nuances relating to scientifically accurate animal in the model form will take too much time....but you delivered it with right balance of time and information... and your point regarding the muscle attachment is what i was also thinking...moreover the skeletal accuracy is little confusing in this model as the legs seems slightly wider and going outward rather than directly under the hips...which is very well in PNSO in comparison...and the neck bump is also slightly off...but any way..it still is a very beautiful and appealing model....and yes if the PNSO will do another WILSON in the future with lips it will sell like hot cakes. Pricing in the museum line is the issue for me though.
One of my favorite T. Rex figures ever, but does anyone know if the Blue Rhino studios version is available as a figure? That is just perfect for me. Rebor's and BOTM's are close tho.
As far as I know, they don't. They only do large scale models. Usually we can always depend on some enterprising and talented pirate to do an unlicensed version of it, but I haven't seen those as well. I would love to have a Blue Rhino T Rex in miniature!
@@DinosDragons Thank you! One can dream.
I love this model! It is a shame about the tail seam though.. I hope it is fixable though like one commentor said about shaving off the insert a little bit... and maybe gluing it too.
I do agree that the neck muscles behind the head are a bit too big. The mouth also not closing all the way is a shame too. Though at least the lips are still able to be shown regardless. Makes the animal look like it's relaxing it's mouth a bit or something.
I do love the subtle detail of the gastralia leaving a bump under the belly though! Really cool!
I may get this model after Christmas!
I think what makes the tail seam even worse is that there's little to no hint of it in the promo pictures too!
To be fair, I have an update. Using a lot more force plus heat than I had before, I got the tail seam in Tusk to be a lot better. Kiss however will need some simple modding.
Regarding that peak, it's really strange, I can't even figure out how the underlying musculature would look like to create that kind of shape, even if that were muscle. The transverso spinalis capitis extend axially all the way down. So the only possibility is the different heights of the cervical spinous processes. But the tallest cervical spines are not where that little peak is.
The strange thing is that Rebor's own skeletal shows a very different muscle contour.
Finally, I suggest getting it now while you still can! I think it will be long gone by Christmas. Just order it in, then have your spouse and friend keep it under lock and key with strict orders not to even let you touch it until the 25th of December 🙂
@@DinosDragons Unfortunately I don't have the money right now for the figure (need to save for cat medication and to pay off my dental bill.). Christmas my dad usually gives me a few hundred to spend on whatever I want. Also don't have a spouse and my friends don't live in my area :P
I really love this figure and I think this is one of the best rex models,and yeah hope yall have a good day
It definitely is! I love it so much I might actually pay to have the jaw modded.
Worth watching.
Thank you for that comment! 🙂
Yes! I really like this figure! Cant wait to get mine. My fav Rebor figure so far! I also really really dig the color scheme. Looks menacing yet natural too. Only issue I have with it is indeed the tail part 🤔
I've posted a new video update on that. My Tusk looks a lot better now! Maybe you could live with that, though I have to say Kiss isn't much improved and will need modding.
Gotta mention though, birds also do have lips. You can see it in vultures where the areas of jaw not covered by beak close shut "skin to skin" when the mouth is closed. If they were lipless to the extent dinosaurs would need to be in order to have teeth hanging out, we would see a hole to the other side of the head when the birds mouth was closed.
Additionally, enamel desiccating is not the primary concern, but more general enamel wear. This happens with lipless animals even underwater; the teeth wear down and become smooth and round. This is fine for puncturing crocodiles or stabbing tusks, but serrated blade shaped teeth are far more fragile and the serrations would wear away quickly.
Thank you very much Michelle! Always welcome insightful comments from people who know a lot!
There's certainly a lot of nuance in addition to the brief skeleton I provided, but I had to keep it to a bare bones. Lots of stuff I had to cut out from my original little presentation, which would have easily been 45min alone. The definition of lips itself took 5min I coudn't spare, and likewise tooth composition which was another 4min or so.
I'll reference your comment in the comment box. Let me know if there is a way to link directly to it.
@@DinosDragons Aww, thanks. Even keeping it short you covered a few things here I'd only ever heard in passing and left some interesting food for thought! Like the full potential for cornified skin. That makes a lot of sense and could end up working almost like it were a beak (but only on the outside of the mouth), or perhaps even for protection during intraspecific combat.
Also, gotta agree with your ultimate conclusion; the lipless look whether likely or not will always be seriously cool.
Crocodiles can hibernate in dry pits for months and their teeth are fine. Also what lunatic said birds have lips???
@@Distempetor Crocodile teeth are smooth pegs, they wear down but it doesn't matter for them. Same for tusks. Dinosaur teeth are thin and serrated, completely different. As for birds having lips, they absolutely do, check the images I linked above.
Birds have a rictus not lips.
i like that when it opens its mouth its not toothless like lizards
Yeah, it would have been disappointing to ever learn that T Rex looked just like a Komodo with mouth open!
@@DinosDragons yeah but unfortunately, there are some weirdos out there that do that since dinosaurs are not lizards reptiles but there are not in the lizard family
Amazing video I learned a lot, I ordered this t rex as my first piece for collecting i don't regreat it. In regards of the tail Gap I saw a youtuber cuting a bit of the internal part of an alien-dino and it fitted better in that case, probably would work the same with this one.
If you do this could you let us know if that works please? 🤗
@@horse14t YES! once I get it, I'll see if the problem is the piece to be longer than it should be and I'll let you know.
@@juscuro Awesome! Thank you! ❤
I've posted a video update on this. After using heat and brute force, Tusk's tail seam looks a lot better, but Kiss is about the same. I think it depends on individual model. I will have to mod Kiss' tail if I want to minmize the seam.
@@DinosDragons Just watched the video :)
How would you mod the seam exactly though?
I love this model - the lip seal on mine was perfect and the seam between the tail and the body isn't very noticable, so I got pretty lucky! My support stand was really loose though - the bar didn't fit tightly into the other parts at all, is that a common issue or am I missing something?
I think it varies really. Different people have different experiences. I always use a stand for all bipeds, the kind that PNSO uses as I have a mix of different heights. I also use Blu-tac on the feet if necessary.
Thanks for the review, it was very helpful, especially the discussion on lips. This debate is really quite heated, and I am guessing that the latest study where scientists were able to identify a genetic mutation that triggers the growth of teeth in chicken embryos will make it even more interesting 😊
Thank you! It was something of a powderkeg I'd avoided doing for a long time, but this model was the perfect place that demanded it. The debates are ongoing, and there's always something new for and against, and the most enjoyable thing is to just sit back and watch while keeping an open mind 😀
I cut an inch off of the plug and glued the tail on tightly with super glue. You don't see the seam until you get close and really look for it.
Hmmm I might try that too. Thanks for the idea! 😀
Thanks for the video!! See you later!! Stay safe.😁
You're most welcome! 🙂
At least it with the lip version when it opens its mouth you see its teeth because unlike with most Tyrannosaurs artwork when it opens its mouth you don’t barely see its teeth but I like you can see the teeth with this model when it opens its mouth of course.
I definitely like that. For the teeth to disappear like varanids, for me it's just a stretch too far for me to accept. So having partial teeth is nice!
My copy's tail seem line is extremely small, but the mouth bothered me a bit as it closed 99% of the way and didn't open very far. Overall, I didn't enjoy moving the mouth at all because it would also take a rather long time to close the mouth on mine due to it springing back to its precious position. So I glued the mouth shut, and I live it so much more. It is my favourite dinosaur figure as you can tell by my profile picture and it is a must have.
It's certainly a waste that one of the most important things to have perfect with a lipped dinosaurs didn't come to fruition. Your solution seems to be a pretty final solution, and makes sense for showing the lips. On the other hand my preference for Tusk would be to have it fully open, and that is a tricker problem to solve even if I wanted to go with a 'final' solution! 😅
I'll wait for the PNSO Version of this one... Love your review though ...
I think you can see the high standard of PNSO with the scalation on Andrea. If PNSO does the next Wilson a lot chunkier, with lips, I think they will fly off the shelf! They would really have to up their game with the paint scheme and application though. It must be the same quality as the last Wilson, not like the other theropods they've released all with teeth overruns.
I recently got one for Christmas, it was listed as having an articulated jaw, however it's mouth will not open
Yikes! Did you find out why? It does articulate. Although for Kiss I would prefer it to be completely closed to show off the lips.
Well done for being objective overall. Only "mistake" I see is that you forgot aligators whos teeth are straight like dinosaurus and that in lipless paper sientist working know that crocodiles have caratin there, he was just trying to discribe scales best he can and shape of crocodile ceratin was closest. Other than that you covered most of debate in objective way.
Thank you I don't understand the deep emotional attachment people have to either one theory or the other. Science should be full of wonder, and humble curiosity. Even palaeontologists I know who you would imagine would be more invested, are a lot less toxic that some Internet non-palaeontologists.
I don't know about others, but I love these long and well-detailed reviews. ❤ As I always say, these videos help me a lot to learn new things and I will never say no to a long video like this. And about Rebor, man I love this company. They are without a doubt one of the best figure producers out there and I think Rebor teeth are the best teeth I've seen in figures. I have only one Rebor figure (Rebor GrabNGo Komodo Dragon / Megalania) and I can imagine the quality of these Rexes. Most of the time I try to have scientifically accurate toys/figures. With today's technology, we can predict most things correctly and I'm sure most of these toys/figures are quite accurate. And with this in-depth analysis If anyone has any doubt about lips or no lips, I'm sure you can come to a better conclusion. Between these two amazing figures, I think I love the Kiss version with lips. (I like my dinos dark😉) Thank you so much for this excellent and informative video, my dear Sir. Please keep up the good work ❤
Thank you for your kind words again! Well, I think that Rebor certainly has never disappointed paintwise. I have only their Acrocanthosaurus, Stegosaurus and Smilodon, and each time they've delivered. The teeth especially are perfectly painted with that kind of realistic enamel sheen that I haven't seen in other models except PNSO's Wilson.
The thing is I only gave the crudest overview here on the lips debate. There are more arguments I didn't bring in, and even on the points I have presented, there are nuances I couldn't put in without making the whole thing just 45min. For example you can read the description box where I reference comments from different knowledgeable viewers who have raised some subtleties 😁
I love talking about science and stories behind, and I'll definitely continue to do so as long as they are relevant to the animal being reviewed! 🙂
Can't wait for mine to come. I have a question though, if I'm not mistaken cloaca is present, but do these figures have nasal passages?
Ah yes I forgot to mention. I usually show it, but because I couldn't get the mouth open enough with one hand while holding the torch in the other, I cut out that bit of the video. There are indeed choanae, though now that you mention it doesn't seem to be an obvious cloaca. It's just not something I actively look out for 🤣
@@DinosDragons good to know that passages are there! Speaking of cloaca, checking if it's there is a weird flex of mine that I always do 😂
This review went so much further with the inclusion of both sides of the fence journeymen research papers and presentations of ideas as to the pros and cons. Loved it!
The lipless look has a certain appeal that, to me, isn’t just aesthetic.
But I did order one of each ‘Kiss’ and ‘Tusk’.
I don’t normally do that-if I have an opinion about something I follow it.
But, because this is one of those areas that has no conclusive answer, I felt it best to spend the extra money. They’ll still look great together.
As for the tail issue, I’ll heat both the main body and tail with a heat gun before assembly. If there’s an issue, super glue and a couple of clamps should fix things.
Thanks so much for this great review.
Thank you for your kind comment! I'd put off talking about lips for the longest time, but this one was just asking for it. The hardest part was how to cut it down to the barest bones and this is really the crudest form. There are plenty of nuances I couldn't bring in without creating bloat 😅
I would say that this is destined to be one of those breakthrough pieces, the way PNSO Wilson was, so it's definitely worth it. When you don't have a fixed idea for or against the lips, then you willl definitely enjoy having both!
If you look at my video update on the tail, lots of brute force and heat has my Tusk tail seam looking much better, though Kiss might need modding. But I daresay I'm not the DIY person around, so I hope you'll have better luck. But if you don't mind glueing it down, then I think the tail seam is a non-issue.
I only wonder if I should get the jaw modded to achieve a better seal for Kiss when the mouth is closed, and a bigger gape for Tusk.
spectacular t rex
Indeed it is!
I'm on the lip side. I must get this Kiss!
It's really quite a sculpt of art!
Hmmm I wonder if quinkana, a terrestrial crocodylomorph and other terrestrial crocodilians possesses a lips or what, considering many argue about the 'lips or no lips for hydration or lubrication of teeth'.
I dont know much about crocodylomorphs as I'm really only interested in a few specific ones, but in general I think that as long as the oral margin is shaped in that wavy form, and especially if the teeth interdigitate or deviate outwards, it will be quite hard to have a seal like lips.
That said I haven't studied this... I can only speculate that aeons ago, if common ancestral condition is lipped, then somewhere early on before acquiring their present configuration, the earliest crocoylomorphs may well have had some kind of lip which then got lost.
Absolutely no fucking reason for it to have lips
I really like the sculpting so close to Blue Rhinos fleshy SUE.
But (yes I am a nagger) ...WHY!!!
That extra tail with horrible seamline? And why is the body red with black stipes and the tail suddenly red with grey 27:32 (pause) ???
I am picky but it looks a bit like the tail from another paint version (or is it the cam?)
And if they made it 1/35 scale standard perhaps it would have been a little smaller but made-in-one piece beautiful sculpt.
It´s like: Oh PNSO makes horrible seamlines sometimes... hold my beer - We are REBOR we can do that much better!!!
Great review again - very informative , scientific and neutral.
PS: and what about the ancient land living crocs and their lips/no lips? Kaprosuchus and his homies.
PPS: It´s really like every good company has a strategy for nerver making a overal (perfect) great model... so that you allways want to buy the upgrade.
Too big scales...next time smaller ones... seamline...next time no seamline...no seamlines perfect skin, but broken joints ... and so on
To be fair, if you have seen my video update, the tail is relatively easy to fix. It's the mouth that's going to be a big issue.
But yet, exactly, because they decided to have a different striped colour scheme for the tail, PLUS the seam, it makes it really really obvious! If they had chosen to have it in the same colour, then that seam would be less obvious. This is almost asking to call attention to it. Without the seam though, it would have been a really nice and interesting change in pattern, though as you say, really quite unnecessary.
Based the skull I've seen of Kaprosuchus, and its impressive tusks, I would guess it definitely had no lips. Or did you mean that as a more terrestrial croc, the fact it obviously didn't have lips can also go into the enamel argument? Speaking of Kaprosuchus, it's been one of my disappointments. I've always been used to that galloping illustration, and then years later I find out all we have is the skull and all of the rest of it is just extrapolation 😥
I have the feeling that PNSO will learn from this, and take care not to repeat some of the shortfalls of this in their next iteration of T Rex. You can see how at around 1:35 Andrea already has very fine scale detail even against Kiss/ Tusk. Imagine what they could do at 1:30. Not that I hope they will.. please stick to 1:35!
By the way will you be getting the Star Ace Concavenator? Or is it too small to be considered "titanic" 😉
@@DinosDragons Yes I watched it. The pics in the shop I want to buy it and the promo pics didn t show me a seamline or no so obvious. I didn t expect one.
Are the arms articulated? I heard somewhere that they are articulated on this figure.
Not that I recall! Sorry I don't have mine right now so I can't check for you.
any estimation of when the preorder will arrive from bigbagtoystore?
I have no idea. I have never ordered anything from BBTS. Maybe someone else can answer.
@@DinosDragons thanks for answering anyways! on another note I think it's really great that we get a rex that is similar looking to the prehistoric planet rex / tarbo with the lipless design and impressive bulk even if it has some minor flaws irl I think this rex model is amazing - also the information in this video was really great and it is one of the reasons why I get excited each time that you upload a new video! have a great day.!
idk if get this rebor kiss or cameron from pnso 😩
Depends on whether you want accuracy, which is more 'accurate' in the PNSO, or whether lips are the overriding priority 😁 The Rebor is a bit overmuscled.
Omg Tracy l ford he’s awesome
He does have his detractors, but reading this paper I found the reasoning very well thought out. I really enjoyed reading this paper! He also did a poster presentation on this topic as well, and even self-published a whole book on it 😁.
For right now I will pass on this figure. But if they fix the not fully closing mouth (if thats a reoccuring problem) and the tail seam, this might be my second T-rex figure to pick up. The colouration and detail is fantastic and I like the look overall very much. Lastly we do like chunky hefty figures over here of course.
My first one being the original color scheme safari feathered trex, so I am missing a figure without feathers :)
They won't fix anything. Production is done already.
@@BananaCake26 Have they never relaunched a released figure with a new paint scheme? I don‘t own any Rebor figures yet, so I wouldn‘t know but other companies do it too and sometimes make some small changes to the sculpt in the process.
@@toooldfordinosaurs They said this figure would get only one production run. Maybe they're switching to a limited business model idk.
@@BananaCake26 Oh ok. Thats a shame. The seam line bothers me too much to pick it up. I guess I'll wait on EoFaunas Rex.
Where did you order it?
I have a private source in China. You should be able to get it soon. Actually if not for the shipping delays most people in the West tend to get these models about the same time, if not sooner.
Where can i buy one please ?
You'll have to order it online, but I think Kiss is sold out by now. If you're near US, look up Dan's Dinosaurs, near UK: Everything Dinosaur.
When Nanmu makes accurate replicas it will be the end of PNSO. Unless prices go down... 🙃
I think what PNSO might do is to decrease the extra material so that its boxes can be smaller and cheaper for shipping. When you see the box of this Rebor being really small, you see what a difference that can make... plus of course its tail is detachable so lots of space is saved.
It's a gorgeous figure, but man that tail seam... I'm wondering if heating up the area where the tail is inserted will help you push it in a bit further. It's a trick that many action figure collectors like myself use when a joint feels like it's stuck. Heating up the plastic for maybe 20 seconds or so with hot water or a hair dryer will temporarily make it more malleable.
Thank you, I've since posted an update on this issue. Using plenty of force as well as heat, I was able to get Tusk to fit more seamlessly. But Kiss will need a little modding. I'm actually more annoyed by the jaw not closing fully ☹
@@DinosDragons Applying some heat to the area where the lower jaw connects and then moving it up and down a bit as it cools might solve this problem as well.
Nice callout for D24. Not alot of folks will get that. Any chance you are from Indonesia, Malaysia, or Singapore??
Well I think most Chinese know what it is, though sadly the imports from Thailand have dropped due to the pandemic. Lockdowns and shipping delays don't help much. D24 has a nice balance of flavours, though I recently have been more interested in MSWs. Thanks for paying attention lol! 😁
@@DinosDragons 猫山王！ That's my favorite.
PNSO : *making amazing figures*
Rebor : Time to reclaim my throne....
Papo : *crying in the corner*
🤣🤣 Papo seems to have a different focus for a completely different niche though. Still, I remember when they were the rage, being so up there with detail and sculpting. I have Carnotaurus and Allosaurus from them, and Allosaurus in particular blew my mind when it came out.
I can't wait to see what PNSO does with T rex next. If they can find a way to engineer an articulated, lipped mouth so that it closes, I expect sales for them to go through the roof!
How’s you get so early? AliExpress?
I have a source in China. It was released just this week and hopefully shipping schedules to other countries won't be too badly affected. The situation now is a very difficult one.
Are you getting Rebor 's Crocs?
Probably not. I'm not too interested in crocodylians, except Deinosuchus. But I would have to see more pictures. The scale morphology of the Rebor Sarcosuchus I will need to think about though. It's not what I would have expected.
I always love ur channel.
Why this video have no sub?
Haha thank you. And the subtitles are out now! Sorry usually it takes a while before I can post it, and then sometime again before it actually gets updated. Try again! 🙏
I was so excited for this model but that gap on the tail looks awful
Have you seen my update video? I manged to improve Tusk's though not Kiss'. The mouth is a harder problem to solve 😥
@@DinosDragons Yeah the mouth not closing is annoying too, I’ll watch the update video now.
where do i buy this?
It's hard to say now. Rebors tend to get sold out unless they do a second run. You could try Everything Dinosaur or try asking Dan's Dinosaurs. Other than that, probably on the secondary market such as EBay.
@@DinosDragons thankyou! :D
The only way to know if they had lips or not it's to clone one and see what we get..
Yes, but that's where the fun and excitement of paleontology would lose some its colour 😥🙂
Isn't its size in a 1:88 ratio?
Huh? Where did you get that figure? This is way bigger than 1:88!
the gap on the tail cannot be seen on the product images...this is fraud from my point of view...a company like that doesn't get my money
I've since posted an update on the tail issue. In the video you'll see that using force and heat, I managed to mprove the gap in the Tusk model, but sadly with less success in Kiss. It should be an easy fix though. The key issue for me is the articulated jaw.
@@DinosDragons it's not your job to do that... with a figure that costs about 50€ something like that shouldn't happen
Kiss è Rex o Mcraensis?
I am 97% sure it's rex!
that gap is kinda hideous tho
Check out my latest video, where I post an update on this. The Tusk is definitely looking much better. My main issue now is the jaw.
@@DinosDragons that jaw is so frustrating lmao
Oh, there's no doubt in my mind - speaking as a paleontologist - that 48' would be easily within the range of intraspecific variability for T. rex - the longest known individuals hover around the 12.5 to 13 meter mark or about 42' - even looking at our OWN species, where the average man is 5'9" in the west and 5'7" if you average all men across all nations and ethnicities globally, you get SIGNIFICANTLY larger individuals. Even for myself, I'm "only" 6'2" but consider this: at 6'2", compared to the average 5'9" western man, I am 5 inches taller than average or nearly half a FOOT taller than average - or about 7.5% taller than the average man and 10.5% taller than the GLOBAL male average. If you applied that to T. rex, an individual coming in at 7.5% LONGER than the KNOWN adult specimens would be over 45' long and if 10% longer would be over 46' long.
Now, take into account individuals like 7'2" Shaq - he is 17 inches taller than the 5'9" average western male or 24.6% taller - which if you apply it to T. rex would go from around a 40' average for adults to just under 50 feet long. That's not even accounting for even larger individuals like the nearly 9 foot tall Robert Pershing Wadlow. It's NOT something that only manifests in humans, either - the average African elephant male is 10 feet at the shoulder and weighs in at around 5 tons .But there have been exceptions - one freakish male was 13 feet at the shoulder and weighed in at around 10 tons - TWICE the typical mass. The average blue whale is 90 feet long as an adult and reaches an adult weight of between 100 and 140 tons - but the largest RECORDED individual was 110 feet long and weighed in at a staggering 230 tons - about twice the size of the average. There have been massive cattle, gigantic dogs and freakish rabbits and of course, Gustav the enormous 25+ foot Nile crocodile.
My point is, the fossil record only records the individuals lucky enough to have been preserved in the right way at the right time and does NOT preserve the vast majority of individuals. It stands to reason that, as with any species, there WOULD be gigantism present in T. rex - individuals FAR exceeding even Scotty or Sue - and so I think a 48 foot Tyrannosaur is EASILY within that range. If I had to guess, the maximum LIKELY for a freak of nature, once-in-a-century T. rex with gigantism would be somewhere in the range of 50 to 57 feet long and 6 meters at the hips, or just under 20 feet (compare that to Scotty or Sue, who are 4 to 4.5 meters or around 13-14 feet at the hips. This MEGA rex would easily be able to scrape the bottom of a 25 foot high underpass with its head and would be about as long as one of the big 18-wheel transport trucks you see on the road. It would weigh probably around 15 tons (as opposed to Scotty's mass of just under 10 tons). I'd say that's ENTIRELY reasonable given the range of sizes present in EVERY species - gigantism is real and it happens on rare occasions and when it does, you are usually looking at an individual not just a LITTLE larger than average but a LOT larger than average. A 50 foot rex is therefore entirely conceivable (in fact, Mark Witton was just recently musing on the maximum attainable size for a T. rex and whether there wasn't at some point a massive individual far surpassing all others).
I just find it interesting to note that there's a HUGELY conservative view that dominates when it comes to estimating maximum theropod sizes when a brief survey of any given 10 or 20 modern species WILL reveal gigantism at work on rare occasions and the individuals are often HUGE compared to the others (and to clarify, no, Scotty and Sue do not represent any form of gigantism within T. rex - they simply represent very mature individuals who have attained their full NATURAL size and were lucky enough to be fossilized for us to find).
A list of gigantic specimens by species with the species average:
1. Shire horse:
Average: 68 inches at the shoulder
Largest individual recorded: Sampson, 86 inches at the shoulder
Size disparity: 26.5% larger
2. Human being (homo sapiens):
Average male: 67" globally (5'7")
Tallest recorded: Robert Pershing Wadlow - 8'11" (107 inches)
Size disparity: 60%
3. African lion:
Average male: 400 lbs
Largest recorded male: 690 lbs
Size disparity: 72.5%
4. African elephant
Average bull weight: 5 tons (10,000 lbs), 10' at the shoulder
Largest recorded bull: 12 tons (24,000 lbs), 13' at the shoulder
Size disparity: 140% (weight) and 30% (height)
5. Moose (Elk)
Average bull: 72" (6 feet) at the shoulder and up to 1,400 lbs
Largest bull recorded: 7.6 feet at the shoulder and 1,808 lbs
size disparity: 26.7% (height) and 29% (weight).
I could go on - the point is made already, though, and that is that the size disparity between the average adult size and the largest recorded size among living animals is very frequently substantial - at least 25% for height/length and up to 140% for mass.
GOING by that, I'd posit a 25% to 30% larger maximum length vs the large adult lengths we are familiar with - which takes us to a maximum achievable length of 52.5 to just under 55 feet long if we take 42 feet (13 meters) as representing the typical maximum size for an old adult.
For height, that would take us to around 16.5 feet at the hips to about 18 to 19' if we assume a maximum normal height of 13.5 to 14' or so - which brings the height at the top of the high point of the nec, posture depending, at around 20 to 22' if we presume a 30% size disparity between the true max and what we see in the fossil record.
And in terms of mass, that variability is a lot higher simply because mass increases very rapidly with increased dimensions - much faster than height or length does - as you can see from the African Elephant example, there 140% increase in mass for a 30% increase in height or over 4 to 1, while the moose, owing to its more gangly build, doesnt increase nearly as much in mass. Given the build of T. rex, it's safe to presume the mass would at least stay in line with the length or height disparity and in fact eclipse it by a fair margin - so a 50% heavier over a 10 ton max bringing it to 15 tons is right in the range I posit above.
There you have it. I posit a maximum POSSIBLE size for T. rex of around 55 feet long, 18 to 19 feet at the hips and a mass of no less than 15 tons. Bear in mind, we're talking about an absolute monster - a freak - the T. rex equivalent to Yao Ming or even Robert Pershing Wadlow compared to the average man. This would be a one-in-a-million T. rex - the kind of animal ALL other tyrannosaurs in the area would make way for and never dare challenge - the kind of animal you'd only see every several generations or more - maybe several centuries. Somewhere, at some point, a T. rex that big - I can almost guarantee - did exist - and no, if you're wondering, it does not violate the square-cubed law for that to happen. It's just on the extreme end of attainable biped masses, most likely.
Absolutely love your considered reply! Will put a note to look for your post in my descriptions box. I only wish there was a way to link to individual comments. I'm starting to get some really knowledgeable additions come in.
Thank you for your very considered and educated post! Based on your argument I would say that your estimate of lengthwise and extrapolation to mass increases certainly sound reasonable.
What are your thoughts regarding the surface/volume ratio of 5.55 esimated in the Reolid 2021 paper for Tyrannosaurus? Granted it used some dinosaur models now probably considered out of date (ironically they used an older Rebor Tyrannosaurus) but that mathematics seems sound to me.
Also, this Rebor looks like it's volumetrically expanded in all directions, whereas in the range for extant animals you list, this does not seem to be the case. In humans for example height differences long limb bones contribute disproportionately more than overall scaling differences. Are you good with this morph as a large T Rex in 1:35 scale?
amazing and very valid argument for t rex potentially being 48 ft. I completely agree, and id also like to put some of my own input:
you used mammals only for the giant outlier species but it is just as common for reptiles and fish to grow to extreme sizes (although still rare), such as the 18.8M long Whale shark recorded (avg whale shark is 5-12m long (12m being the upper end), and the largest Nile Crocodile weighing 2500lbs (1100lbs over the upper upper end of an adult male). It is without a doubt in my mind that T rex could have reached well over 10,000 kg in particularly large individuals!
have a great day :)
Amazing video absolutely loved my figure should be coming tomorrow but I believe dinosaurs were lipped because exposed teeth for me makes them look dumb but the lips makes them look wiser and intelligent but it is what it is.
Haha that is the most interesting argument I've ever heard in the lips vs no lips debate 😁😁
That tail seam and mouth staying open is just sloppy qc. Can't justify buying this at the price despite other terrific areas of the figure.
In fairness, I did an update on this. I applied a lot more force and heat than before, and you will see that Tusk looks really good now, although Kiss still has a very visible gap in the tail. The jaw too, I may have to mod it.
Wow at that tail seam. Completely destroys the model IMO. How did something like that make it past prototyping?
In fairness, there are a few things that can be tried. Please check out my latest video update. Need lots more force and heat than I thought. But there is some variability. My Tusk looks a lot better, but Kiss still has a very visible gap.
Rebor wins the first time against PNSO. That's not to say Wilson was BAD when it came out, but clearly we can see every improvement Kiss has over him.
Also, I like lips because it looks more natural. You can tell if something is *natural* just by looking at it, without profound knowledge of paleontology or anatomy. It's an instinct. "Lipless" is still possible, but all those lipless models just hadn't done it right.
Maybe someday PNSO can make a really natural-looking lipless theropod model and that's when I change my mind.
I consider this Rebor one of those landmark models you know were a significant point in the history of dinosaur models. I hope that one day they might do an improved version with fully closing lips.
Lol reading your comment I can imagine some reviewer doing a head-to-head comparison between PNSO and Rebor Mortak Kombat style, ending with "Fatality! Rebor wins!"
So ur saying crocodiles are not natural
meh, the pnso version is way better. I am hped for their upcoming Deinosuchus tho
I have to say that PNSO still has much finer scales. I hope they do an updated Wilson, and take the chance on lips in future! But it must be painted to the same quality as their previous Wilson, including much better painted teeth, and hopefully a more creative skin pattern.
Did you mean Rebor's Deinosuchus? I have been looking for an updated Deinosuchus to my old Carnegie. It's actually the only crocodylian I am really interested in.