The 1997 General Election is called
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- Here is 1 hour and 21 minutes of off-air BBC One from Monday 17 March 1997, running from 11:59 AM to 1:20 PM. After the end of 'Change That', there is a routine News bulletin. But with John Major having gone to Buckingham Palace, the BBC decide to replace 'The Alphabet Game' and 'Going for a Song' with a special edition of 'Westminster with Nick Ross' to cover the news.
John Major duly announces the election date. The BBC allow the five minute scheduled edition of 'The Weather Show' to go out, then the One'o'clock News covers the election including live interviews with Tony Blair and Paddy Ashdown.
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Who's here after watching Sunak's drenching call for the 2024 election?
Major had a decent level of class and quality that Sunak could never have and is not wet !
Me
@@ianrob4760 Yes absolutely I think Major looks more statesman like back then but now he’s just a silly old fart
Me 😂
11:35 - The wonderful noise of a photographer falling off his ladder right next to Robin here. Always nice to hear.
I was never a fan of John Mayor's government but I feel almost nostalgic for those days after having Dodgy David Cameron. Teresa the robot May . Bungling Boris Johnson Liz untrustworthy truss and now Ritchie rich Rishi as our rubbish Prime ministers .
So you don’t have an opinion, you just have nicknames?
@@Jayfive276 yes I have an opinion and in my opinion the tories have crashed the economy and made millions of people poorer and forced tens of thousands of children into poverty. Or do you think they've done a great job for the last thirteen years Mr Smart arse?
@@Jayfive276they earned those nicknames by the way they conducted themselves in office. No wonder so many of the senior Tories from the Thatcher/Major years have washed their hands of the party now. Hell even George Osborne has said he doesn’t think a Labour Government would be a bad move for the country.
I feel nostalgic for normal politics in our country and a normal government instead of the sh*t we get now
Yes, I miss the days when most of the Tories were reasonable people who I generally was not in agreement with. Now they're mostly radicals, not conservatives at all, and a danger to social cohesion and democracy itself.
43:06 “So if people want change - we are the change. And we’ll CONTINUE DOING WHAT WEVE BEEN DOING FOR 18 YEARS” huh?! 😂
Prescott reminds me how awesome he was. Blair was correct having John's blunt approach and Blair's flair together, and Gordon on the safe distance dealing with the maths.
Yep Prescott doesn't get a lot of credit but he helped keep all those red wall seats on Labour's side.
Love Prescott’s “you’ve just dragged it down, son” to Duncan 😂
SPOILER ALERT...
Conservatives lost
You cheeky little naughty
Wasn't a surprise labour had a lead in the polls that didn't go below 20% for 4 years
That Westminster theme didn't have to go so hard
I can't believe Nick Robinson was around in 1997.
And turns out he's never been young either!
still around and Peston to ITV
Nick was upper class and entitled and empowered by the BBC never liked him
He talked to the viewer like he was looking down on them
@@jamesbomd3503 Bit sensitive?
rather appropriate nick ross presenting 'westminster' seeing as he also presented crimewatch
Even more so appropriate if it were spring 2020
Don’t have nightmares
@@BossySwanLandslide Elections are rarer than you think, so to Tory Mps, *don't have nightmares do sleep well*
Everyone knew since 1993 the Tories were going to lose
Ever since Black Monday occurred
Bit like history repeating itself everyone knew since 2021 that the tories will lose this years election (2024) since it came out about party gate and then Liz Truss crashing the economy in Autumn 2022
Yes David I am here because of Sunak today and the difference is clear, Major did have a sign of some class
And who would ever have thought that we would be nostalgic for the Major era?
Nick Robinson looks....the same.
Think John major took a holiday knowing all was up liked him as prime minister but still a labour man at heart but his party shafted him left right and centre but he left the country a wealthy one which helped the Labour Party for 13 years
How did his leaving the nation wealthy help the Labour?
@@broadstreet21 - Unlike when Blair's successor was voted out of office, and the nation's coffers were bare... 😄
@@analogueman123456787 Okay, true. Oh I think I just answered my own question. Major's leaving the country wealthy helped Labour enact their agenda while not going bankrupt. Until 2010.
@@broadstreet21 - Indeed, yes. 👍
Well, more so until 2008.
Minor Yewtree alert at 56:21, by the way
yes we all know what he did was wrong and unexcpeatble
Lolzords.
G’day
Heard a story that a HR person at BBC was ushered to a covert meeting about a certain antipodean that he was not allowed to mention. He just kept doing impersonations of said Ozzie. Quickly afterwards the sh#t hit the fan as the police were called in. Allegedly of course.
Things can only get better. Oh, the good old days when British PM's didn't feel the need to fluff their egos by having specially built lecterns waiting outside number 10 for them. Just a couple of mics and a basic stand.
Which cost thousands because they had it specially built for them.
I really miss Moira Stewart, I grew up watching her on the Six 'o Clock News. Sod Nicholas Witchell though. Oh my god, it Asil Nadir! A friend of Boris.
Monday 17th March 1997
Can Rishi Sunak repeat this on April 29 2024: "I'd like to formally confirm that I have seen His Majesty the King this morning and sought his permission for the dissolution of Parliament for a general election on 4th July 2024."
Oh look I'm a time traveller! 😅
@30:40 I think he meant Oct 1996 ? As PM is only 5 years, and Major came in April 1992?
Do you have that show at the start? That looks great!
😆 🤣
edward stourton was a regular of the one o clock news i remeber him very well
+wesley cracknell i remember Edward Stourton on the one o clock news as well
@@peterwilliamskelhorn6675 same
I worked with him a few times. Intelligent bloke.
@@BlyatimirPootin he was yes
Nick looks so young…
It's now April 2024 and the story is the same.
Sunak hasn't called the election yet but they've been campaigning rather than governing for over a year. Labour were ready to sweep them away and they are now.
Unfortunately the British Public has suffered cruelly since 2010 and the country's public services are in ruins
#GTTO2024
Grow up. #VoteConservative
Labour enabled child abuse.
That end credit music… I hope no Amigas were hurt in making that assault on the ears.
Carolyn Quinn, Nick Robinson and Shaun Ley all went on to bigger things at Radio 4. I wonder if there is anyone else in this video who falls into that category
Could I reupload the continuity sniblets, please? With linkback, obviously.
Sure.
Was it expected that Major was going to announce the General Election on this particular date (eg had the papers been speculating in the previous days) or did it catch everyone off guard?
My recollection is that it was fairly obvious Major would delay the election until the latest possible date, and having it on the same day as local elections was obvious, so 1 May 1997 had looked like the date for some time. But 17 March (and a six week campaign) was surprisingly early - the first sign was that the Sunday papers on 16 March were briefed about it. Major gambled that a long campaign would allow more focus on Labour policies since a Labour win was expected.
I like the titles
Most 90s thing ever
4:35 - Anybody know anything about that petrol bomb attack in Brussels?
I googled it but can't find anything about it. Very strange
The four people killed were sleeping in a flat above the bar, which was in Molenbeek. The only other detail in the press reporting is that the bar was popular with North Africans.
Ground control to Major John
I was alive in the 90s, it wasn't this old fashioned was it? This looks like a clip from 1977!
Do you have the full episode of "Change That"?
No, afraid not.
Is that the show at the beginning ?
@@davidellis5141 Yes it is.
1.09 Tony Blair comes on and starts talking I’m not looking at it properly
I actually thought it was that bloke that used to do political comedy in the 90s I forgotten his name
Rory Bremner.
History is repeating itself
What if it were Geoff Howe leading the party?
Now this is out of pure speculation, however that entirely depends on when he theoretically became leader of the Tories during the elections;
Assuming you mean 1990, they most likely would have went on to lose the 1992 election to Kinnock - who would've obtained a C&S deal - although the possibility that they remain as the largest party in the House of Commons does exist, albeit without a majority to serve in office.
Interpreting it as 1992 after Major supposedly receives the previously mentioned outcome as Howe following the general election that
subsequently leads to the former's resignation, I cannot visualise a 1997 scenario where Howe would manage to remove Labour from office, however should the course of events during the 51st Parliament remain within our timeline he would come within very close of doing so.
This is due to the fact that he is simply not electable material for the Tories despite whatever difficulties may have emerged for Kinnock, given the fact that the general public at the time had a view of Howe as a public school boy who only aims to satisfy his own interests.
If it were a case where Major resigned in the aftermath of Black Wednesday, which was narrowly avoided, he would've been forced to contend with the same difficulties that the former would've had to deal with yet was so ineffective towards owing to his indecisiveness; Divisions within the party over its European policy that established a rebel Eurosceptic caucus group within their own backbenches, as well as allegations over extramarital affairs, sexual misconduct were made public whilst being heavily reported on by the media, sleaze scandals inside the cabinet that led to ministerial resignations along with some known sackings that became widely lodged within the public memory, not to mention the gradual loss of parliamentary constituencies after by-elections initiated by resignations or sudden deaths of MPs that affected their majority and the suspension of MPs that lead to the loss of their whips further decreasing their parliamentary majority.
There were also other affairs such as the cash for questions scandal involving numerous high-profile Conservative politicians that damaged their reputation in office, the Arms-to-Iraq affair that revealed the sale of arms to Saddam Hussein's Iraq on behalf of British companies where the Chief Secretary to the Treasury Jonathan Aitken's affiliation was publicly disclosed by The Guardian, to whom he sued for libel resulting in the collapse of his case and was later convicted to have committed perjury during the trial whereby he was imprisoned and the related Scott Report that was commissioned to investigate reports of restricted arms sales to Iraq largely being classified as secret further disillusioned the public trust in the Tories who now increasingly viewed it as a divided, corrupt and hidden party led by an inefficient man.
More issues such as the 1996 BSE outbreak that led to the ban on British beef being exported to the United States and the European Union had affected the domestic agricultural industry, despite the government's best attempts to reverse the decision by the US/EU, playing into Labour's favour who criticised the government for a lack of safety regulation in regards to agriculture and for failing to prevent the outbreak.
Several increases in taxation that the Exchequer were forced to implement with no other alternative as a requirement to raise their funds made the government appear like major hypocrites after their own warnings that if Labour won in 1992 they would increase taxes en masse, such as the VAT on fuel, rising insurance premiums, freezing allowances, reduced mortgage relief, decreases in maternity benefit, et cetera that were largely viewed as unpopular, despite all of the revenue received from the measures being provided for public expenditure.
Predicting that all of these occurred regardless in the third possible scenario with Howe at the helm, I cannot see the Tories receiving another outcome in 1997, especially concerning whether he would be enabled to change their course by means of convincing the Eurosceptic rebels to cease their opposition to his leadership out of mutual interest for the party's future, likewise with persuading the Eurosceptic faction of the party itself with whatever art of persuasion that he may possess or, in diplomatic terms what would be exchanged for their loyalty, whereas some of their own agendas or interests would come into question, nonetheless the deadlock would not have turned in Howe's favour because of his Europhile attitude towards Europe being more focused than Major, opening the possibility of a worse result.
Another factor may be the 1995 leadership contest by John Redwood, where the official timeline with Major being the incumbent leader either results in him not refusing to submit his candidacy for re-election or fails to achieve victory on the first ballot leading him to withdraw concludes with Howe being elected as leader throws him directly into the Torie's difficulties immediate to him becoming leader of the party, irrelevant of whether he would've been a cabinet minister or not since his responsibility as PM would have been far greater than previously, and his response towards the events from that point onward would have likely been worse due to the shorter allocation of time to react being a deciding factor in their fate conjoining with his lack of experience beforehand as the central authoritative figure resulting in a more decisive defeat being received less than a year and a half later, where they may have lost circa 200 seats with these factors in mind.
Moreover, should the 1995 election have been different where Howe had been serving as leader since 1990 and faces a new challenge by Redwood, he would have lost it due to to the imagined large dissatisfaction with him as leader that would mirror Heath 20 years prior, albeit the fact that if he successfully managed to remain as leader in a very narrow win, he may have been able to lead on until the 1997 election where the party would've suffered around the same or slightly worse defeat than in the official timeline over the party being more divided, leading to around two thirds of the remaining MPs demanding his immediate resignation right after leaving office with a caretaker replacing him in the meanwhile, and definitely would have received such as an elderly, despondent Howe would have had more than enough by now.
Furthermore, should the 1995 challenge have been different in the sense of him becoming leader in 1992 following Black Wednesday, the odds would either be quite against him due to his shorter time frame to react to the issues facing the Conservatives in government or may have worked in his favour since the party may have not grown as tired of him as in the fifth scenario with him becoming leader in 1990, therefore it would be a gamble as to whether the incumbent Howe would win re-election as leader, nonetheless if he did to the credit of those who would have been indifferent to his capacity as leader of the party then he may have had a slightly larger chance than in any other scenarios where he would have been in government at the time, but this ends in receiving the unchanged result or a slightly less worse one.
Other than serving in government, had he served as leader following the Tories' theoretical loss at the 1992 election and Redwood occurred regardless 3 years later, he may have held on to his leader position, yet would have sustained the same result as the first scenario in 1997 or would have had as slightly less effect against the hypothetical governing Kinnock ministry - had he even managed to remain as leader - although he would have been removed as leader had he been ineffective as Ian Duncan Smith against the Labour government in office, going down as one of the Conservative Leaders of the Opposition who would not have had a chance as the UK's Prime Minister, while had he became leader and PM in 1990 going on to lose in 1992, serving as LOTO for 5 years, he might have had a chance due to his experience.
The ninth possible scenario where he becomes leader in 1990 and later surprisingly wins the 1992 election would conclude with either of the previously mentioned factors in the other scenarios, as the only chance he would've had under those circumstances would have been to minimise the Tories' losses nationwide even if many of the allegations, scandals, etc had not occurred, though it may have been close.
@@craw.54 I interpreted if he became leader after 1990, succeeding Thatcher. He was the presumptive successor, but after resigning from cabinet the way he did, he likely killed his chance of winning it. But suppose he somehow either ran anyway and won, or suppose Thatcher opted to resign, and he succeeded her. Both unlikely scenarios, but suppose he were leader going into 1992. You say he would have lost?
There are several possible alternative outcomes, however if I am to summarise the first scenario, the only two estimative results are the Tories remaining as the largest party in Westminster, albeit without a majority to form a government, leading to Lab-LD coalition or a C&S, if not Labour becoming the largest party very narrowly with the same result of them serving in a coalition or even a minority government.
@@craw.54 Interesting. Why say you that Howe would fail to form government? He was little different from Major, except he was more prominent, effectively serving as Thatcher's second in command, but having a different personality.
I never got why the LibDems get equal footing as Labour and Tories by the media.
There's actually a law covering this. It's called "Equal Time" and refers to how much coverage (column inches, air time etc) the parties are given by media in a General or By-Election. I'm not absolutely certain how the formula works but basically all the major parties MUST be given equal coverage and opportunity to be heard. Since the Liberal Democrats field candidates in every seat during a GE they had the same right to coverage as Labour and Conservative not to mention the fact that the Liberals were the government many times before the Labour Party was formed.
ashdown was very popular and ukip got too much footage considering the greens and welsh nationlists had more seats
I actually think that if we had proportational representation at UK elections instead of the ridiculous first past the post, that the Lib Dems could have seriously challenged the Conservatives in maybe 2001 or 2005 to become the official opposition party to Labour. The Conservatives were such a pathetically angry, right-wing mess at the time and were basically unelectable, while the Lib Dems looked to be the more progress, modern, 'in-touch' party. However I would imagine that many potential Lib Dem voters didn't vote for them at those elections due to FPTP protecting the two largest parties and resulting in safe seats and wasted votes. Under PR i certainly think that many would vote differently, in many cases for who they actually want instead of having to vote tactically.
Blair actually promised a referendum on PR in the 1997 election but scrapped those plans after his defeat in the 1999 European elections, and realising that FPTP suited Labour (most of all in the 2005 general election with a vote share of 35.2% but a working majority of 66).
@@Gizo02 Even under a PR system the Tories would still have ended up as the official opposition in the 2001 and 2005 General Elections.
Diberal Lemocrats
We used to get fed a so much better class of bullshit than now.
Tories even back then spouting propaganda, we're going to win, our policies are the best, blah blah blah
dan taylor It's politics. Gordon Brown and Labour behaved in the same way at the onset of the 2010 GE. No governing party ever says, "sorry chaps, we're going to lose".
As all party’s do.
@@mattdavies7398 Don't recall Corbyn ever saying he would definitely win to the media in the face of a landslide loss. Maybe to his supporters but not the rest of the nation. He never lied like that. He always said it's up to the electorate to decide, which it IS.
@@asb358 Parties not Party's
@@dantaylor7344 Thanks for making fun of my dyslexia.
At least we were Brexit free then, no sign of Teressa May or Boris Johnson’s termoil.
That’s your self interest
Also free movement was in the 10s of thousands - all relative
@@deanunioand no small boats, a direct result of brexit.
I laughed when he lost lol