pop up headlight should be standard!! Of the child hood like the pull back sun roof and auto reverse kassett player wonderbaum and the sun shade sticker that is brown fade across wind scream!! why is 80s gonn? :(
"Lets have all the technology, all at once. Don't worry, we'll figure out how to make it reliable later" Sounds as much like the 2010s as the 1980s to be honest.
What he doesn't say is that for the first few degrees of steering angle, the rear wheels turn in the same direction, making highway lane changes easier. After those few degrees they turn in the opposite direction for lower speed cornering.
Yup, and overtaking was incredibly easy and quick... All my friends couldn't believe how this thing happened to handle, even souped up cars of the day could hardly keep up with the 'lude!
My first car was a 4WS Prelude, and it RUINED me as a driver. Nothing I have driven since has handled as well as that car, no other car has had better visibility. I miss that car so much, especially after replacing the motor with a 4th gen Prelude H22 motor and upgrading the suspension. I'll never forgive my Grandmother for selling it while I was Afghanistan.
Cars like this have made me realize, as a kid raised around cars with so much raw power they could launch a diff into the neighbors living room on Christmas and kill their kids, cars are not all about looks or speed. But they are about the sheer fun of them. It's not stressful to drive them. You just can.
DANGIT. You missed the most important part of the 4WS system: the bit you use when actually driving the car. The rear wheels swivel in the SAME direction as the fronts at low steering angles. That makes the car crab over more or less sideways at highway speeds, and makes for super awesome lane changes. You even show it in your video. Go back and do your homework, then stay after class and clean the blackboards.
Yeah, I don't know how Mr. Regular managed to miss this. Any amount of basic research (or literally just watching the rear wheels) would clue you in to the fact that the rear wheels are always being steered. At a certain point they change direction.
My dad had a 4WS for most of my childhood. Absolutely the coolest thing you can do with these cars is change lanes on the highway without the car changing it's forward direction.
2:22 the rear wheels turn slightly the direction the front wheels are pointed when the steering is close to centered, they turn opposite when the steering is near the lock.
That is. CORRECT! Makes passing at high speeds (step out/lane change) easier This was my first car. (What they don’t tell you is if you manage to turn the steering enough at high speed to get the rear wheels opposite to the front wheels the damn car will want to swing out and try to kill you)
This is incredibly late, but I did have to replace the rear upper and lower ball joints on this car 2 years ago. Finding the uppers was difficult, but luckily JC Whitney actually had them in stock.
Thanks for sharing your Prelude with us, Chey. You have a very special piece of automotive history. Thank you for taking such good care of it and giving it the loving home it deserves. The world needs more people like you.
This came up in my recommendations and now I'm just lost in the nostalgia. My first car was an 88 Prelude Si 2WS with the 5-speed manual. I didn't care that it was already 20 years old when I started driving it on my learners permit, there weren't any airbags, and the low ride was destined to decapitate me if I hit any of the farm equipment that frequented the gravel roads I grew up on. I had a fuckin stick shift and I loved it. Thanks for taking me back.
My 91 Accord after a new starter, alternator, timing belt, water pump, distributor, spark plugs/wires, valve cover gasket, new injectors, transmission rebuild, all aluminum radiator, thermostat, will probably outlive me once I Rhino line the underside. Has 55k original miles and I will see that it hits 500k I'm cheap but I make Corvette owner $
He should have re-recorded that. My love for Mr Regular is tainted from this video. IASEAGLE5 - you are too kind to try and defend his obvious fuck ups. It is all in the detail, you see. The sum of small things add up to a cluster fuck.
To really feel the effect of the "crabwalk", find a wide empty open road, accelerate to 60+ mph and do an emergency lane change maneuver, then you will feel the difference.
My buddy had one of these and did that at 85mph while racing a Camaro sadly he's not a good driver and lost it but only ran the side of it down the barrier he still has it and is rebuilding it
"and they waddle off, going back to their fricking chevy belairs and thier fricking fuzzy dice and their fat wives". Exactly how I feel about that crowd.
am i the only one bothered by co-mingling the term "4 wheel drive" and "4 wheel steer", 2 very different things!! if you want a 4WD prelude add a rear differential, transfer case and lockers.
Had an '89 4WS. Lived in ID, AZ, CO, and MO. Both AZ and CO required a new title when I got the licence there, and both screwed up the title by calling it 'Prelude 4WD SI'.🤡
tobi maru with some less dated seat swaps I think it’d be a pretty nice interior, mine came completely navy in colour, which aged way better than that imo
@@MikeyRB77 yeah that wasnt his brightest moments but I cant bash the guy for that for all the right things he says he's gonna slip with some BS sooner or later
His entire description of the system was...just...wrong. The steering wheel runs the steering shaft, the shaft runs the pinion, the pinion runs the rack and the front tie rods. The rack runs a second pinion, which runs the transfer shaft, which runs a complex eccentric gear in the rear housing which runs the rear tie rods. No driveshaft, no differential, no half shaft.... Of course he massacred Honda’s engines of that period as well, so I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.
OhighO Skater-- Yeah man, they were always part of my well balanced breakfast in asbestos bowls and covered in freshly squeezed milk I harvested from my cat, Booger, every morning before school! Bruh, I sure miss that cat!
Jason Spencer trust me, you don't want to drive this car if you care about safety. Even in low speed accidents, the passenger cabin will crumple up like a tin can. People just don't care about safety until they're in a hospital with disfiguring lifelong injuries or worse...
@regularcars I'd like to note that the tires actually go in the same direction if you are doing a lane change amount of steering. The car literally goes sideways into the next lane and probably a cooler feeling than the full lock mechanism. I remember this very clearly and you can even see the tires do this at 2:21 and 3:23
Me: dad, look, it has 4 wheel steering. Dad: is the 4 wheel drive mechanical? Me: 4 wheel steering. Dad: what's it like to park next to a curb with 4 wheel drive steering. Me: just 4 wheel steering. Dad: are people excited to see 4 wheel drive steering? Me: not 4 wheel drive. Dad: so, Honda did it, made a fully mechanical 4 wheel drive system. Me: Okay, dad, you win.
I feel sorry that your dad was a jerk, but I can understand because when I was a kid and talk of the dodo get viper or the Honda fast cars my dad was a jerk to saying,” you could get the same speed and same gear set for less if you get a Chevy Silverado.” I just stopped and stared at him, didn’t say anything and was thinking in my head,” do you know how damn stupid you sound right now. Do you ?” But he never liked any other car that was not a Chevy masterpiece to him. Oh well, I still like fast Honda cars that can whoop Chevy ass in any street race from games set in Tokyo or anywhere else that was not North America, until Honda still whooped Chevy ass just because they could. Hope your having a better mood and understand that not everyone you talk to about cars may not like the same brand, even if they don’t get it, why this car calls to you. That’s fine just tell yourself this is my love and my joy, so to hell with anyone else who is just being a jerk just to be a jerk. I hope your in a better mood, really I hope your are okay. Best wishes, a fellow human being who understands feelings who know what it like to love something.
OMFG you guys finally reviewed a Prelude!!! My daily! Well... almost. (I drive a 2nd gen) AND you got ahold of a model with 4 wheel steering! yeah! Hells to the yeah! The 2nd and 3rd gen Preludes might not be fast off the line, but these cars stick to the road like they have been NAILED to it (Unfortunately the 1.8l ones accelerate the same way). Slow down for what? I can corner hard enough to break an aftermarket cupholder and watch my coffee mug sail across the car in slo-mo to explode on the passenger door! I love these cars. This was Honda's A-game
TalenGryphon I have one too, a ‘91 with the B21 2.1 engine, it’s not fast compared to my JDM twin turbo Subaru Legacy, but it’s more fun to drive stupidly
Now honda cares more about lane keeping assist, rear view cameras, automatic parking brakes, push button automatic transmission interfaces and other “safety” systems that like to disobey the driver, and overheating over-styled r-type civics that are plastered with fake carbon fiber. I am disappointed.
"...and they waddle off, go back to their frickin' Chevy Bel Airs and their frickin' fuzzy dice and their fat wives. Yeah, eat another chili dog and talk about the good times." Every car meet I've ever been to has one of these types. What gives?
I had a Silverado with quadrasteer. If memory serves correctly under 10-15 mph the rears would be capable of their full travel in opposite direction of the front tires giving you the shortest turning radius. In the 15-45 mph range the degrees that the tears would turn in the opposite direction were limited. Above that mph range and into “highway” speed the rears had limited degrees of steering and changed direction to turn with the front tires. At higher speeds the truck felt extremely stable, more so in my option than a truck without 4WS. 4WS was great and I truly believe that truck was the best I have ever had in terms of ride comfort and stability. The only time 4WS wasn’t desirable to me was in slushy snow conditions as it made counter steer corrections feel unnatural.
Man this was like 1993-94, I was born in 1984. My babysitter, Ms Erin had the ugliest 1980ish Honda Accord hatch she rode us around in, I know it was a late 70's/early 80's Accord because it had the 4 round headlights. Man that car was a roach, but it was reliable, 5 speed, that ugly tan, smelled like that old honda smell, hard to describe. Her best friend, who also babysat sometimes rode us around in her mid 80's Prelude, the gen before this one. That was straight up modern in comparison, it was a proper 2 door coupe, it was actually nice. Then we saw her brother's Prelude, an absolutely pristine 1990ish white one. That was really cool until he traded it in on a 1992-1994ish Lexus SC. That car kind of blew my mind at age 10, it looked like nothing I had seen before. Everything was a box, a wedge, square or round headlights, wtf was this shape??? I ended up with one of those cars about 20 years later lol, the 1st gen Lexus SC is still one of my favorite shapes.
I just.... Just had to reply. Words taken from my mouth, I still drive mine today. (The SC) That car rocked the world when it was dropped. Everything else was a box.
Had a red 1988 4WS with a stick shift when I was 18. Drove it from 2004-2008 and managed to go from 120k to 212k and still got $2800 out of it when I sold it. Only had to replace a thermostat, an alternator, and the timing belt. To date, my most favorite car out of the 10 other vehicles I've owned since 2008. Still remember the VIN number by heart. Still remember the looks I'd used to get in traffic when I'd successfully pull off a U-turn on a 2 lane street!
Happy memories! I had one of these, years ago, including the 4WS system. A dark metallic blue so dark, most people thought it was black. Boot spoiler looked brilliant! I had it lowered, so the five-spoke 17inch alloys I bought (with 'spacers') filled the wheel arches and it looked utterly amazing, the way it sat so well-planted on the road - and it felt like a go-kart! I eventually replaced it with bright red BMW 3 series with big alloys and all the BMW factory-fitted kit, and every person I knew said the Honda had looked way better and, deep inside, I knew this to be true. What a brilliant car that Prelude was, and what a poor follow-up that BMW was!
The Darger and 4WS comparison is pretty apt. I had no idea the Prelude Si 4WS even existed. It's art for art sakes, outsider art. It's sad to me that the owner is often meet by older folks who just want to check the alignment but proof that the younger people just don't know what it is. Preludes are neat enough but, this, this is art. I want one.
My nanny (mum's mum) had and still has this lovely white 91 4WS. I remember being picked up from school a few times when I was little and that's half of why I'm into Hondas. But then one day Nanny and her Prelude went away for almost no reason, and that was because my family just shattered. Being unknowing about life things at the time(I was only 7 or 8) and I just continued on subconsciously knowing that suddenly a huge part of my life was gone seemingly forever... Until life handed me my own keys to make ends meet again and I could find Nanny and her loyal Prelude to say hello with a broader view of the world and a 10-year overdue hug.
I'm the same way. Mostly 80s hair metal in my car as well. 70s and 90s too. Rush, Boston, Floyd, Jim Croce, Journey, Metallica (old metallica), Guns N Roses, Ozzy, Whitesnake (self titled album), nirvana, Def Leppard (Hysteria), among others. I have a whole like cassette drawer full of cassettes. The ones I listed are just the ones I carry with me.
oh boy, I had one of these with a manual gearbox, and believe me... it was SLOW. Fun in corners, but the lack of power on acceleration was unbearable. Also, definitely the most unreliable car I've ever owned. And just wait until the power (assist) steering went out... with 4 wheels to move... (and it will go out - once every six months. A simple $150 fix, but still). And when you need to replace the sunroof gasket because it leaks, that'll be about $400. And you should know that the alternators on these engines notoriously go out about every 10 months, usually at 4am on an interstate in the rain. My local Honda dealer still stocks them, and that should tell you a lot. Mine actually cremated itself on the side of I-85 in N. Carolina, about two days after having replaced the timing belt and buying its fourth alternator.
I had an 89 Prelude Si 4WS 5 speed in old man gold. Great car. Unbelievably fun to drive, except interstate travel. At about 70mph, that little 2.0L would buzz at 4k like a dentist drill.
One thing you didn’t mention is that at slight steering angles, the rear wheels actually turn a tiny bit *in parallel* with the front wheels, so during lane change maneuvers, the body wouldn’t angle as much in relation to the forward direction, sort of “crabbing” or “drifting” into the next lane. You can see this in the parts of the video where the owner is demonstrating the 4WS while standing still. The rear wheels nudge slightly in the same direction as the fronts, then reverse direction.
I think it was a breathtakingly high price back in 1989, added to the fact that you often had to pay a lot over full sticker price to get one. That extra $1,000 markup (labeled as "market adjustment" or something like that) went straight into the dealer's pocket, above and beyond all the many other markups. On the other hand, everyone, like neighbors and friends, knew you got a high quality product. There was a snob appeal to driving this car..."I'm rich, and I drive the best..." I wanted one at the time, but I refused to pay off the arrogant dealers, and send my money (what little I had) over to Japan. I ended up buying an Altima in 93, built in Tennessee, no greedy markups, lower price, and 150 hp, high hp for the price range at the time.
My very first car was an 87' Prelude Si in all it's automatic glory. Nothing like dropping a few neutral bombs in it and pretending to be Paul Walker every second of the day. Take me back 2002, I've changed!
I swear to god dude, if you watch a lot of motor sports,especially F1, you become Australian and British. As an American I have started saying oi, mate, yeah nah, cunt,etc. And my ability to do accents has improved as well.
I had one. Not very fast, at all, but still an unbelievably awesome, solid, reliable, super fun car. I miss it every single day. If I could afford any car in he world, I would find myself another pristine third gen Prelude si, then I would go get my R8. It has aged extremely well.
These cars were like $40,000 when new in New Zealand. now they are cheaper than $10,000! These are gorgeous cars! 8:33 What's wrong with 80s american wagons? they are awesome af with their fake ass wood side paneling!
Or the simple 12v 2nd gen before it started the upward spiral of bloat, price, and mostly useless feature. In the VTEC era... the Prelude you want is called the Integra GS-R.
The 1991 Si 4WS had the B21A1 which up to that day was the largest 4cl Honda has made, made some great torque for a 4cyl, unfortunately that was also their first venture into FRM cylinder wall sleeves and the damn things are piston rings like crazy. It did however out handle most any car on the road, even newer cars. I had guys in corvettes and Porsche’s struggle to keep up with me on the twisties.
In certain countries you could have both VTEC and 4WS. What I found weird was in Japan they stopped using thinner molding, making the Prelude a luxury car!
Not so but depending on where you live. In Japan where it is tight or in the city this is useful. But like yourself many want more power and the focus was just on power and this feature is not valued by those wanting power. But guess what, after decades European super cars are only just getting the Four Wheel Steering feature in Super Cars and expensive cars. Mercedes first 4ws is the top of the line AMG GT, Porsche is the top of the line 911 and Lamborghini Centenario. Who is behind now and looks like it was not just a Gimmick afterall.
Sold my 89’ Si in January... why am I watching this video. It gave me so many problems... but I miss it so much. I loved that car, it taught me how to heal and toe, and use my momentum to overtake cars 4x my horsepower.
Matt Moran is basically the only one willing to review one for some reason. He gave it a perfect score. No other big car channel will do it. I'll never understand why. I loved my 97.
The issue is you guys have to understand they have to have someone who owns the car be willing to offer them to review it. And it’s not just “hey I have an 01 prelude come review it”. It has to be somewhere close to where they are or where they will be for some reason. There are a lot of factors.
freshfrij0les agreed. Like, it’s a bit terrifying driving one in modern traffic, but it’s a joy on back roads and such (though mine isn’t a 4WS). A big issue with them though is that there are so many unique little parts that aren’t made anymore, so they’re kind of isolated when it comes to repairs. Mine broke down in 2016 with electrical issues, and after awhile I lost interest after just chasing one thing after another, and so it still sits in my garage. If I didn’t have a 5th gen that handles almost as well and is significantly quicker in a straight line I’d probably be more motivated...
Thank you for a quality video on the Prelude. I thought the video would be too long to watch but commentary moved it along smoothly. My family has owned 7 Preludes but down to (2) 3rd gens & (2) 4th gens. currently.
Meh. I'm not sure what that comparison was about, either. VW was making similar numbers in their own 2.0 16V at the same time. Or maybe we're talking about Japanese cars, in which case '89 is when Subaru started doing crazy shit with turbo EJ20 engines.
High speed lane changes with a Prelude 4WS such as weaving through traffic is a crazy fun experience. But true, power is lacking imo even by 80's sports car standards. The Celica GTS or Ford Probe GT were more exciting under the hood.
Wheels voted it best car of the year with one problem UNDERPOWERED but you can swap in an H22 or other motors but just dropping it an inch or so and adding poly bushings, this thing has almost ZERO body roll! It handles better than anything ive ever driven. 4WS aside, this care is the sleeper car of the millennium
2:27 "It's VTEC for steering."
There's literally no better analogy than this.
i think you just single-handedly drove up the price of these things world wide.
This is definitely making me want to put mine back together. It’s been sitting for a couple years with electrical issues
Somewhere, someone with a 3rd gen is thinking "finally, I'll get more than $1500 for this thing"
Quick, get doug demuro to drive it back down!
Gordon Ronco (slowly raises hand while looking away in shame)
My first car was a 91 si five speed, probably going to get another one while my supra is down for upgrades.
The most important of all: POP-UP HEADLIGHTS!
TangoR34 headlights go up
@@haroldflower8008 headlights go down
Headlights go sideways
pop up headlight should be standard!! Of the child hood like the pull back sun roof and auto reverse kassett player wonderbaum and the sun shade sticker that is brown fade across wind scream!! why is 80s gonn? :(
@Chris Doseck Fick yu negativatee
"Lets have all the technology, all at once. Don't worry, we'll figure out how to make it reliable later"
Sounds as much like the 2010s as the 1980s to be honest.
“Soft-touch buttons?” Johnson, how’s a promotion sound?
2020s be like relyabiliti? Was ist daß
What he doesn't say is that for the first few degrees of steering angle, the rear wheels turn in the same direction, making highway lane changes easier. After those few degrees they turn in the opposite direction for lower speed cornering.
Vasek Cekan
I was waiting for him to mention it haha
Yup, and overtaking was incredibly easy and quick... All my friends couldn't believe how this thing happened to handle, even souped up cars of the day could hardly keep up with the 'lude!
Yes, you can see at 2:20 and 6:12 , the rear wheels move one way then the other.
How does that affect pulling away from the curb?
@@drippingwax ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My first car was a 4WS Prelude, and it RUINED me as a driver. Nothing I have driven since has handled as well as that car, no other car has had better visibility. I miss that car so much, especially after replacing the motor with a 4th gen Prelude H22 motor and upgrading the suspension. I'll never forgive my Grandmother for selling it while I was Afghanistan.
ノック F
Cars like this have made me realize, as a kid raised around cars with so much raw power they could launch a diff into the neighbors living room on Christmas and kill their kids, cars are not all about looks or speed. But they are about the sheer fun of them. It's not stressful to drive them. You just can.
Well, different people look at things differently at different time, same as your grandma. Don't feel so bad and find another gem.
My condolences to you good Sir.
You know you can find these cars relatively cheap right? Use one as a weekend car.
DANGIT. You missed the most important part of the 4WS system: the bit you use when actually driving the car.
The rear wheels swivel in the SAME direction as the fronts at low steering angles. That makes the car crab over more or less sideways at highway speeds, and makes for super awesome lane changes.
You even show it in your video. Go back and do your homework, then stay after class and clean the blackboards.
Yeah, I don't know how Mr. Regular managed to miss this. Any amount of basic research (or literally just watching the rear wheels) would clue you in to the fact that the rear wheels are always being steered. At a certain point they change direction.
Yup, that and calling it four wheel drive multiple times.
I noticed that the wheels were doing that. I thought that the system was wore out and not working correctly.
My dad had a 4WS for most of my childhood. Absolutely the coolest thing you can do with these cars is change lanes on the highway without the car changing it's forward direction.
Ah yes I also thought it was broken and trying to keep up. Makes sense, crazy to think that’s what MODERN Porsche’s feature currently
"Its Vtec for steering!" ~ mr regular august 2018
2:22 the rear wheels turn slightly the direction the front wheels are pointed when the steering is close to centered, they turn opposite when the steering is near the lock.
Yas it's for high speeds all wheels turns into same way
Just like the silvergaydo, and just as useless.
pro tip: watch movies at Flixzone. Been using it for watching a lot of movies recently.
That is. CORRECT!
Makes passing at high speeds (step out/lane change) easier
This was my first car.
(What they don’t tell you is if you manage to turn the steering enough at high speed to get the rear wheels opposite to the front wheels the damn car will want to swing out and try to kill you)
@@citysoundfm in all honesty I feel like they didnt need to tell us that.. lmao
Oh boy, ball joints to replace on all 4 wheels.
Lol
Yeah that’s why most people have it removed. It’s not like a tiny Japanese car is that hard to turn anyway!
Damn, I think I hear wallets crying from here for those trying to restore these
You get used to it.
This is incredibly late, but I did have to replace the rear upper and lower ball joints on this car 2 years ago. Finding the uppers was difficult, but luckily JC Whitney actually had them in stock.
Thanks so much for having my Prelude on the show; it was an honor. Also, the prelude from Final Fantasy 7
Thanks for sharing your Prelude with us, Chey. You have a very special piece of automotive history. Thank you for taking such good care of it and giving it the loving home it deserves. The world needs more people like you.
Chey Halye sick Lude
I got an 89 Si, non 4WS. Thanks for letting him review it, I've been wanting to see him review one of these forever.
I love your old school Honda Prelude how meany miles on it and how much did you pay for it.
The 4WS is only part of what makes this car unique. It's clean as hell! Thanks for taking care of it!
The Prelude, Celica, the 200Sx the MX6 . This was a great era of fun affordable cars. I miss the 80’s.
90s were just as good if not better. The real golden age of japanese car makers.
Crx
Mitsu GTO/2000GT
R32 GT-R and Honda NSX 1989...Also S13 Silvia.
My 90 Celica GTS is still kickin' around.
I'm gonna take quaaludes and drive my Prelude into the bay nude.
Not if it came with leather seats lol
Dude!
Des Ulv-- And while you do I'll pray for you.
I need these rhymes.
No way dude you'll be way screwed if you hydro lock, who's gonna save you?
This came up in my recommendations and now I'm just lost in the nostalgia. My first car was an 88 Prelude Si 2WS with the 5-speed manual. I didn't care that it was already 20 years old when I started driving it on my learners permit, there weren't any airbags, and the low ride was destined to decapitate me if I hit any of the farm equipment that frequented the gravel roads I grew up on. I had a fuckin stick shift and I loved it. Thanks for taking me back.
And the 4WS still works. Because Honda. (pre-homogenized Honda)
SolamenteVees explain what you mean?
autoworld100 this Prelude was built/engineered in the golden age of Honda, along with the NSX, RC30, etc...
@@autoworld100 it still functions and hasnt broke becuase it was built well
Built well and the only thing that really could go wrong is the rear rack/pinion leaking oil.
My 91 Accord after a new starter, alternator, timing belt, water pump, distributor, spark plugs/wires, valve cover gasket, new injectors, transmission rebuild, all aluminum radiator, thermostat, will probably outlive me once I Rhino line the underside. Has 55k original miles and I will see that it hits 500k I'm cheap but I make Corvette owner $
*LEAD*
728 Autos he couldn't even hold back the laughter
It's Peanut Butter lead.
pb
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It'll grow some WAMPA on your DAMPA.
Can you count the times Mr Regular accidentally says "four wheel drive?”
1:37
3:05
3:31
6:03
10:43
Cincinnati Lead is best lead!
I think he means mechanically driven 4 wheel steering and in the heat of the moment turns into bleah..... 4 wheel drive... Still love him tho.
He should have re-recorded that. My love for Mr Regular is tainted from this video. IASEAGLE5 - you are too kind to try and defend his obvious fuck ups. It is all in the detail, you see. The sum of small things add up to a cluster fuck.
4-wheel drive? 4-WHEEL TRIPE
Mr regular is human. Im not faulting him.
He leaves the mistakes in. I kinda like that.
To really feel the effect of the "crabwalk", find a wide empty open road, accelerate to 60+ mph and do an emergency lane change maneuver, then you will feel the difference.
stoeger 2 ah don’t worry it’s ff you won’t lose it
My buddy had one of these and did that at 85mph while racing a Camaro sadly he's not a good driver and lost it but only ran the side of it down the barrier he still has it and is rebuilding it
"and they waddle off, going back to their fricking chevy belairs and thier fricking fuzzy dice and their fat wives". Exactly how I feel about that crowd.
am i the only one bothered by co-mingling the term "4 wheel drive" and "4 wheel steer", 2 very different things!! if you want a 4WD prelude add a rear differential, transfer case and lockers.
Wouldn’t sure lockers would be a great idea in this, especially with the 4WS
Had an '89 4WS. Lived in ID, AZ, CO, and MO. Both AZ and CO required a new title when I got the licence there, and both screwed up the title by calling it 'Prelude 4WD SI'.🤡
Honda Pray Lewd.
what a pretty ca-
oh my god the inside is so BROWN
tobi maru with some less dated seat swaps I think it’d be a pretty nice interior, mine came completely navy in colour, which aged way better than that imo
My dad had a jacket in that color and we all referred to it as the poop jacket.
And I love it lol
Brown is always better
80's baby.
*cues the vapor wave*
lol VTEC steering, from now on this is how I'll refer to it
He also called it "four-wheel drive steering and just "4wd" by the end of the video. Are you going to call it one of those options?
@@MikeyRB77 yeah that wasnt his brightest moments but I cant bash the guy for that for all the right things he says he's gonna slip with some BS sooner or later
His entire description of the system was...just...wrong.
The steering wheel runs the steering shaft, the shaft runs the pinion, the pinion runs the rack and the front tie rods. The rack runs a second pinion, which runs the transfer shaft, which runs a complex eccentric gear in the rear housing which runs the rear tie rods. No driveshaft, no differential, no half shaft....
Of course he massacred Honda’s engines of that period as well, so I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.
Psychoboyaw. Nobody cares.
You just had me at "Lead.... Lead... LEAAAAAAADDDD!!!"
I love how much passion this guy has for unique cars , fun to watch for those of us that can appreciate more than just American muscle
for the love of god do a review on that van dually thing.... 05:39
TRY to HELP you, That's a Centurion.
Its coming for you !
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed
Joe The Barbarian lol I know rigjht
ok!
Man I miss the good ole fashioned cans of Cincinnati Powdered Lead
OhighO Skater-- Yeah man, they were always part of my well balanced breakfast in asbestos bowls and covered in freshly squeezed milk I harvested from my cat, Booger, every morning before school! Bruh, I sure miss that cat!
@@urdaddywingnut7820 That sounds like the perfect breakfast to start off a great day!
As a resident of cincinati I appreciate this comment more than you'll ever know
An ex girlfriends mom had a Prelude that was all original from 1989 and she let me drive it. Back in 1994. I loved it and I would love to own one now!
Jason Spencer trust me, you don't want to drive this car if you care about safety. Even in low speed accidents, the passenger cabin will crumple up like a tin can. People just don't care about safety until they're in a hospital with disfiguring lifelong injuries or worse...
Legionnaire i guess you could say the same thing for most cars then..
BIG J I know you're a better gentleman than this, sir
I miss my 88, it was so fun to drive and show off the "Bat turn".
Friend had one of these in black - we used to call it the batmobile. great car, killer handling, and very reliable.
@regularcars I'd like to note that the tires actually go in the same direction if you are doing a lane change amount of steering. The car literally goes sideways into the next lane and probably a cooler feeling than the full lock mechanism. I remember this very clearly and you can even see the tires do this at 2:21 and 3:23
The Wakz I noticed that bit of a flick back and forth when they did the still shots of turning the wheel click to click
HEADLIGHTS GO UP!
THE BRAIN SPECIALIST But they also go down.
UP DOWN UP DOWN!
THE BRAIN SPECIALIST name checks out
PANTS GO DOWN
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I wonder if you can modify the rear steering ratio. I would love to mess around with a mechanical rear wheel steering system like this.
Cars Simplified same you could do some really crazy stuff
I tried making the rear steering 1-1 with the front and it turned sharp but it kept wanting to tip over on me
Kavin You should make videos about it I'd love to watch
Cars Simplified not a good idea. Honda engineered it just right.
make it turn on a dime, or crab.. so many possibilities!
"Forget observers, sometimes art is just for the artist." Damn.
"The '80's: Where style was constantly tea-bagging substance..." That is pure class. :-)
I love my 91 Prelude Si! It didn't come with the famous 4ws but it still looks great for being 27 years old!
Acc0rd79 the upside is...retrofitting your car with all the 4WS stuff is simple!
When you can find it.
John smif the Prelude boards generally have someone parting one out. Everything packs into two good size boxes.
I have the same model in blue!
I had a 1987 Si and always wanted a 1990 - 91 and deeply wanted a 4WS!
I love how you have made shit-talking Boomers an art form.
I love how poorly this comment aged.
@@trikelyfe6090 Snarky millenials think Boomers drove Preludes? Lol
@Michael Saint Arch most millennials are in their mid 20s to mid 30s. How about you guys start bashing gen z
No one likes their generation anyway!
Marty McFly If you’re upset by my comment you haven’t been paying attention to the narrator of these videos.
4WS Prelude... the official car of surprise tailswing
The Honda that can really shake it’s ass.
I can’t express how much i love the way you and roman make a regular review into something artistic and funny in the same time
Me: dad, look, it has 4 wheel steering.
Dad: is the 4 wheel drive mechanical?
Me: 4 wheel steering.
Dad: what's it like to park next to a curb with 4 wheel drive steering.
Me: just 4 wheel steering.
Dad: are people excited to see 4 wheel drive steering?
Me: not 4 wheel drive.
Dad: so, Honda did it, made a fully mechanical 4 wheel drive system.
Me: Okay, dad, you win.
10/10 most underrated comment here
I feel sorry that your dad was a jerk, but I can understand because when I was a kid and talk of the dodo get viper or the Honda fast cars my dad was a jerk to saying,” you could get the same speed and same gear set for less if you get a Chevy Silverado.”
I just stopped and stared at him, didn’t say anything and was thinking in my head,” do you know how damn stupid you sound right now. Do you ?”
But he never liked any other car that was not a Chevy masterpiece to him.
Oh well, I still like fast Honda cars that can whoop Chevy ass in any street race from games set in Tokyo or anywhere else that was not North America, until Honda still whooped Chevy ass just because they could.
Hope your having a better mood and understand that not everyone you talk to about cars may not like the same brand, even if they don’t get it, why this car calls to you.
That’s fine just tell yourself this is my love and my joy, so to hell with anyone else who is just being a jerk just to be a jerk.
I hope your in a better mood, really I hope your are okay.
Best wishes, a fellow human being who understands feelings who know what it like to love something.
@@quinnflorence i don't think his dad was being a jerk, I think he just calls it 4 wheel drive steering because dad
*HE SPRAYED HIS TRAIN TURDS ALL OVER THE ROUNDHOUSE*
SIR TOPPEMHAT SAW IT ALL HAPPEN... WITH A BONER
Best line ever
Great car and horrible commentary. I couldnt watch past 3 min.
OMFG you guys finally reviewed a Prelude!!! My daily! Well... almost. (I drive a 2nd gen)
AND you got ahold of a model with 4 wheel steering! yeah! Hells to the yeah!
The 2nd and 3rd gen Preludes might not be fast off the line, but these cars stick to the road like they have been NAILED to it (Unfortunately the 1.8l ones accelerate the same way).
Slow down for what? I can corner hard enough to break an aftermarket cupholder and watch my coffee mug sail across the car in slo-mo to explode on the passenger door!
I love these cars. This was Honda's A-game
TalenGryphon I was excited too when they reviewed a prelude. I myself daily a base 5th gen.
TalenGryphon I have one too, a ‘91 with the B21 2.1 engine, it’s not fast compared to my JDM twin turbo Subaru Legacy, but it’s more fun to drive stupidly
I'd love to hear Mr. Regular's thoughts of a 5th gen.
I really hope he review's a 4th Gen prelude soon. He could've reviewed my 93' Si VTEC when he came to New Zealand but it was out of action 😔
Now honda cares more about lane keeping assist, rear view cameras, automatic parking brakes, push button automatic transmission interfaces and other “safety” systems that like to disobey the driver, and overheating over-styled r-type civics that are plastered with fake carbon fiber. I am disappointed.
"...and they waddle off, go back to their frickin' Chevy Bel Airs and their frickin' fuzzy dice and their fat wives. Yeah, eat another chili dog and talk about the good times."
Every car meet I've ever been to has one of these types. What gives?
Mediocre upper middle class types without any real personality beyond an object they've put their soul (read: nostalgia and spare money) into.
Insufferable boomers fetishizing 1950s Winga Dinga culture.
Remember riding in one in the early 90s. Feels like the car is picked up in the air and turned when doing a u-turn.
THIS IS MY FAVORITE CAR EVER! I have owned three and have been waiting for YEARS for this video!!! THANK YOU!!!
"Tomas the train has diarrhea"
Sir topham hatt saw it all happen
With a BONER!!!
Now I won't be able to take off that image out of my imagination
@@hankhill5622 neither that image as well
**Thomas**
How come you didn't mention that at roadspeeds the rear wheels turn WITH the front, not opposite, for lane changing?
I was waiting for that. At least they sort of showed it.
That sounds like a dented rear quarter panel waiting to happen.
How does that work with a fully mechanical system though? Does that steering gearbox on the rear axle shift into reverse via vacuum line?
I had a Silverado with quadrasteer. If memory serves correctly under 10-15 mph the rears would be capable of their full travel in opposite direction of the front tires giving you the shortest turning radius. In the 15-45 mph range the degrees that the tears would turn in the opposite direction were limited. Above that mph range and into “highway” speed the rears had limited degrees of steering and changed direction to turn with the front tires. At higher speeds the truck felt extremely stable, more so in my option than a truck without 4WS. 4WS was great and I truly believe that truck was the best I have ever had in terms of ride comfort and stability. The only time 4WS wasn’t desirable to me was in slushy snow conditions as it made counter steer corrections feel unnatural.
yeah that lane changing mechanical crab-drive feature is pretty cool
Man this was like 1993-94, I was born in 1984.
My babysitter, Ms Erin had the ugliest 1980ish Honda Accord hatch she rode us around in, I know it was a late 70's/early 80's Accord because it had the 4 round headlights. Man that car was a roach, but it was reliable, 5 speed, that ugly tan, smelled like that old honda smell, hard to describe.
Her best friend, who also babysat sometimes rode us around in her mid 80's Prelude, the gen before this one. That was straight up modern in comparison, it was a proper 2 door coupe, it was actually nice. Then we saw her brother's Prelude, an absolutely pristine 1990ish white one.
That was really cool until he traded it in on a 1992-1994ish Lexus SC. That car kind of blew my mind at age 10, it looked like nothing I had seen before. Everything was a box, a wedge, square or round headlights, wtf was this shape??? I ended up with one of those cars about 20 years later lol, the 1st gen Lexus SC is still one of my favorite shapes.
I just.... Just had to reply. Words taken from my mouth, I still drive mine today. (The SC) That car rocked the world when it was dropped. Everything else was a box.
And since then all cars are bubbly an bulbous and not square.
I’d give anything to have cars that didn’t look like they came from the 90’s
'70s and '80s, not 70's and 80's
This was my first car before my AE86 hatchback
Had a red 1988 4WS with a stick shift when I was 18. Drove it from 2004-2008 and managed to go from 120k to 212k and still got $2800 out of it when I sold it. Only had to replace a thermostat, an alternator, and the timing belt. To date, my most favorite car out of the 10 other vehicles I've owned since 2008. Still remember the VIN number by heart. Still remember the looks I'd used to get in traffic when I'd successfully pull off a U-turn on a 2 lane street!
Evrybodies jast jailous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cool storie bruuuuh!!
@@VoxSweden cool, have a great day
ITS THE PICKUP VAN FROM THE JALOPNIK SHOW AHHHH 80S
The one and only U.S.S. BROWN C. STENNIS
Slicer Vorzakh 8 0 s m a k e m e c u m
Future review?
I want to drive this car at night while listening to Kavinsky and The Midnight
Bomberguy it's the best thing ever. I love twilight drives in my 1990 4ws. Such a shame there's not many of these beautiful cars around.
You just described every Saturday evening in my Prelude. XD
Listening to Resonance by Home as the sun is going down on a summer evening. Pure bliss.
I have done this and it was great.
Oh yes 80'S ,i used to do that in my 87 nissan rz-1 !
7:38
HEADLIGHTS GO UP!
HEADLIGHTS GO DOWN!
HEADLIGHTS GO UP!
HEADLIGHTS GO DOWN!
Zzyzx Wolfe they know what ya want and how a likeit
UPDOWNUPDOWNUPDOWN
2:51 - Those teens look so fascinated with your video and drone.
Those are the Centurion Van Truck guys, from the videos about said vehicles
Happy memories! I had one of these, years ago, including the 4WS system. A dark metallic blue so dark, most people thought it was black. Boot spoiler looked brilliant! I had it lowered, so the five-spoke 17inch alloys I bought (with 'spacers') filled the wheel arches and it looked utterly amazing, the way it sat so well-planted on the road - and it felt like a go-kart! I eventually replaced it with bright red BMW 3 series with big alloys and all the BMW factory-fitted kit, and every person I knew said the Honda had looked way better and, deep inside, I knew this to be true. What a brilliant car that Prelude was, and what a poor follow-up that BMW was!
The Darger and 4WS comparison is pretty apt. I had no idea the Prelude Si 4WS even existed. It's art for art sakes, outsider art. It's sad to me that the owner is often meet by older folks who just want to check the alignment but proof that the younger people just don't know what it is. Preludes are neat enough but, this, this is art. I want one.
The Roman's singing game is getting more serious
Song at the end was beautiful
sounded like the intro to a Baroness album
Up next, Roman's Gregorian chant!
My nanny (mum's mum) had and still has this lovely white 91 4WS. I remember being picked up from school a few times when I was little and that's half of why I'm into Hondas. But then one day Nanny and her Prelude went away for almost no reason, and that was because my family just shattered. Being unknowing about life things at the time(I was only 7 or 8) and I just continued on subconsciously knowing that suddenly a huge part of my life was gone seemingly forever...
Until life handed me my own keys to make ends meet again and I could find Nanny and her loyal Prelude to say hello with a broader view of the world and a 10-year overdue hug.
Oh yea me too
i can relate
You made my day, owned 2 Preludes but never had the chance to drive the 4WS...and you’re funny as F😂...you make this world a better place.
I love how the econoline centurions are in the parking lot. When you review a bunch of different vehicles, gotta schedule them in the same day.
Whitesnake?
Scorpions?
Finally a cool Honda owner.
It's my own personal mix tape; gotta have that 80s sound in the 80s car!
I'm the same way. Mostly 80s hair metal in my car as well. 70s and 90s too. Rush, Boston, Floyd, Jim Croce, Journey, Metallica (old metallica), Guns N Roses, Ozzy, Whitesnake (self titled album), nirvana, Def Leppard (Hysteria), among others. I have a whole like cassette drawer full of cassettes. The ones I listed are just the ones I carry with me.
Oooohhhhh a 4ws prelude how coo-
Automatic eh?
Close. Almost cool.
If it was manual, some yobbo would have wrapped it around a tree 20 years ago.
And he complains about it being slow.
That slush box was extra slushy.
But it’s.... sew fahn seeeh!
oh boy, I had one of these with a manual gearbox, and believe me... it was SLOW. Fun in corners, but the lack of power on acceleration was unbearable. Also, definitely the most unreliable car I've ever owned. And just wait until the power (assist) steering went out... with 4 wheels to move... (and it will go out - once every six months. A simple $150 fix, but still). And when you need to replace the sunroof gasket because it leaks, that'll be about $400. And you should know that the alternators on these engines notoriously go out about every 10 months, usually at 4am on an interstate in the rain. My local Honda dealer still stocks them, and that should tell you a lot. Mine actually cremated itself on the side of I-85 in N. Carolina, about two days after having replaced the timing belt and buying its fourth alternator.
I owned 2 can confirm slush box.
Holy shit Roman. You outdid yourself this time on that ending. Gave me a stiffie.
💯😩💯
Yes, Roman excelled in making fuck ups in this video.
I had an 89 Prelude Si 4WS 5 speed in old man gold. Great car. Unbelievably fun to drive, except interstate travel. At about 70mph, that little 2.0L would buzz at 4k like a dentist drill.
MAN those damn pop-up lights are to DIE FOR. I'm really disappointed that they don't do those anymore.
You guys outdid yourself on this one. Or maybe its the powdered lead talking!
One thing you didn’t mention is that at slight steering angles, the rear wheels actually turn a tiny bit *in parallel* with the front wheels, so during lane change maneuvers, the body wouldn’t angle as much in relation to the forward direction, sort of “crabbing” or “drifting” into the next lane. You can see this in the parts of the video where the owner is demonstrating the 4WS while standing still. The rear wheels nudge slightly in the same direction as the fronts, then reverse direction.
I think it was a breathtakingly high price back in 1989, added to the fact that you often had to pay a lot over full sticker price to get one. That extra $1,000 markup (labeled as "market adjustment" or something like that) went straight into the dealer's pocket, above and beyond all the many other markups. On the other hand, everyone, like neighbors and friends, knew you got a high quality product. There was a snob appeal to driving this car..."I'm rich, and I drive the best..." I wanted one at the time, but I refused to pay off the arrogant dealers, and send my money (what little I had) over to Japan. I ended up buying an Altima in 93, built in Tennessee, no greedy markups, lower price, and 150 hp, high hp for the price range at the time.
I saw one of these cars in a Lowes parking lot, it was in the original yellow color. Looked pretty sick.
Prous 1988 4WS owner here!! My favorite car of all time, have owned it for 10 years! Its a dream come true
My very first car was an 87' Prelude Si in all it's automatic glory. Nothing like dropping a few neutral bombs in it and pretending to be Paul Walker every second of the day. Take me back 2002, I've changed!
'87, not 87'
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My very first car was a 1987 Prelude Si in all its manual glory.
I had an '88 and it was glorious. You could redline that sucker and it would still only be doing 40 in second gear.
OH MY GOODNESS, A SCORPIONS / WHITE SNAKE *MIX TAPE* !!!
>Four wheel drive
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"Yeah Nah"
He's going Kiwi.
I swear to god dude, if you watch a lot of motor sports,especially F1, you become Australian and British. As an American I have started saying oi, mate, yeah nah, cunt,etc. And my ability to do accents has improved as well.
I had one. Not very fast, at all, but still an unbelievably awesome, solid, reliable, super fun car. I miss it every single day. If I could afford any car in he world, I would find myself another pristine third gen Prelude si, then I would go get my R8. It has aged extremely well.
RCR/Down The Rabbit Hole confirmed for Top 10 Anime Crossovers
Pls, someone tell him to crossover
These cars were like $40,000 when new in New Zealand. now they are cheaper than $10,000!
These are gorgeous cars!
8:33 What's wrong with 80s american wagons? they are awesome af with their fake ass wood side paneling!
What's wrong is that is quite clearly a _1990_ American wagon.
It's cool, but try my '92 Honda Prelude Si 4WS MANUAL. The only way to experience the prelude before VTEC appeared
Or the simple 12v 2nd gen before it started the upward spiral of bloat, price, and mostly useless feature. In the VTEC era... the Prelude you want is called the Integra GS-R.
Bartonovich52 prelude vtec 4th gen kills the GSR in every Measurements of performance.
The 1991 Si 4WS had the B21A1 which up to that day was the largest 4cl Honda has made, made some great torque for a 4cyl, unfortunately that was also their first venture into FRM cylinder wall sleeves and the damn things are piston rings like crazy. It did however out handle most any car on the road, even newer cars. I had guys in corvettes and Porsche’s struggle to keep up with me on the twisties.
In certain countries you could have both VTEC and 4WS. What I found weird was in Japan they stopped using thinner molding, making the Prelude a luxury car!
Not so but depending on where you live. In Japan where it is tight or in the city this is useful. But like yourself many want more power and the focus was just on power and this feature is not valued by those wanting power.
But guess what, after decades European super cars are only just getting the Four Wheel Steering feature in Super Cars and expensive cars. Mercedes first 4ws is the top of the line AMG GT, Porsche is the top of the line 911 and Lamborghini Centenario. Who is behind now and looks like it was not just a Gimmick afterall.
Sold my 89’ Si in January... why am I watching this video. It gave me so many problems... but I miss it so much. I loved that car, it taught me how to heal and toe, and use my momentum to overtake cars 4x my horsepower.
The steering idea was awesome, would be fun to build a kit car with this ability.
Hell yeah finally you review a Lude! I daily a 5th gen handles like a dream almost feels like rwd car hardly any understeer
Oh boy four in the goddamn morning again
OH BOY 4AM!
it's only three here yo
The only good thing being deployed in Africa.. Midday uploads
please review a 1997-2001 Honda Prelude BB6 5th gen , the final generation
Matt Moran is basically the only one willing to review one for some reason. He gave it a perfect score. No other big car channel will do it. I'll never understand why. I loved my 97.
If he does review one I hope it's sage green metallic. Beautiful paint color (I own a sage green 95 accord)
The issue is you guys have to understand they have to have someone who owns the car be willing to offer them to review it. And it’s not just “hey I have an 01 prelude come review it”. It has to be somewhere close to where they are or where they will be for some reason. There are a lot of factors.
I daily an auto one:D (fun fact this was one of the auto transmissions honda should have left chained up in their basement)
TerrariumFusilage1 well hopefully they can because if you’re too far obviously they can’t. I think RCR lives in Virginia? Most likely not lol
This has to be 1 of the finest cars EVER made!
The more videos I watch of this channel the longer my "drive before dying" list gets
Here in yurp, the Prelude had 150hp, and i bet a manual transmission makes it feel less sluggish too
The Bootleg Garage It does. I’ve owned two, one with an auto and one with a manual. There’s definitely a difference
the manual is still slow, but it feels very... responsive. It's a snappy little engine with a decent amount of torque and very tight gearing
freshfrij0les agreed. Like, it’s a bit terrifying driving one in modern traffic, but it’s a joy on back roads and such (though mine isn’t a 4WS). A big issue with them though is that there are so many unique little parts that aren’t made anymore, so they’re kind of isolated when it comes to repairs. Mine broke down in 2016 with electrical issues, and after awhile I lost interest after just chasing one thing after another, and so it still sits in my garage. If I didn’t have a 5th gen that handles almost as well and is significantly quicker in a straight line I’d probably be more motivated...
these are my poop videos, i watch these while i poop
Do you only poop once every Monday before dawn
Growing up you could find the regular version of these cars in running fair condition for 500-800, 1999-2002
Thank you for a quality video on the Prelude. I thought the video would be too long to watch but commentary moved it along smoothly. My family has owned 7 Preludes but down to (2) 3rd gens & (2) 4th gens. currently.
loved this car, one of the best designs ever in my opinion. great review! thanks for sharing.
4AGE/4AG-ZE is 1600cc, not 1800cc. (:
Kyoto-Moto. He knows that, he owns the car... typos happen.
Meh. I'm not sure what that comparison was about, either. VW was making similar numbers in their own 2.0 16V at the same time. Or maybe we're talking about Japanese cars, in which case '89 is when Subaru started doing crazy shit with turbo EJ20 engines.
Kyoto-Moto it's not 1600 or 1800cc. It's 4AGEcc. Git learnt, yo.
I found one of these in EZ Pull years ago, I removed the 4WS system and sold it to a guy in the Virgin Islands or Guam or something.
heh.. I had a 1990 Prelude INX with 4ws, and my my.. that car was quick and agile!
Akieba ooo inx noice
It cars like these that really help inspire and motivate me to restore and maintain my car and hold on to it
This channel reminds me of what the Cars and Zebras channel used to be like.
High speed lane changes with a Prelude 4WS such as weaving through traffic is a crazy fun experience. But true, power is lacking imo even by 80's sports car standards. The Celica GTS or Ford Probe GT were more exciting under the hood.
'80s, not 80's
8:19 Once again, this entire broadcast is being brought to you by SAND! It's everywhere, get used to it!
Buick tested this in '66 with a Wildcat. The public wasn't ready for it.
Apparently the 80's wasn't either.
Yep.
How is this not over a million views? Masterpiece of a video.
Wheels voted it best car of the year with one problem UNDERPOWERED but you can swap in an H22 or other motors but just dropping it an inch or so and adding poly bushings, this thing has almost ZERO body roll! It handles better than anything ive ever driven. 4WS aside, this care is the sleeper car of the millennium