I’ve sold most Pokémon card for 5 years. Around 10,000 sales. I’d say if grading price remains similar PSA is way to go. The 10 premium is worth it. Sell as fast as possible for new sets. The bulk has decent value. You can even trade in the bulk at some companies for store credit and get more booster boxes. Also get a distributor and save when buying bulk boxes. Buying Japanese sets can make good sealed returns. I bought 50 boxes of Japanese Eevee heroes for $76 a box shipped from Japan and sold for 2.5x less than a year later. It’s gotta be the special sets not just regular releases
I started selling pokemon / yugioh / magic cards on my ebay store - feedback has skyrocketed - always wanted to box break gamble and see if the $ is worth it
I watch this channel for the business side of things so to see this video is so crazy 🤯 as someone who has been selling cards for sometime now full time I would say “this is not the way” you were making a killing with the shirts on what not! This is a grind 😢
As a full time yugioh reseller! Deff possible to make your $ back from breaking boxes for customers. But I would say you’d have more success finding some cheap collections and grading the older cards cleaner cards to psa or bgs. A pleasure to see you dabble with tcg good sir! Keep it up, enjoyed it very much.
fello tcg reseller only on ebay - but I've had crazy success buying local collections and selling individually. I personally played ygo competitively until pendulums came out and recently started selling cards again to boost my ebay feedback fast af. VERY FUN - really want to upgrade a get a fujitsu card scanner and do 1k cards photo front/back per hour
I wished I would’ve seen this about three months ago I bought a pack of gold foiled Pokémon cards off Amazon I found one Charizard was supposed to be worth 310 sent it for grading and it was a fake!!! So now I know to buy them from a reputable dealer thank you for sharing❤
Always good to have a side hustle. Pokémon has been booming ever since Hidden Fates set came out and hasn’t stop. Starting a Pokémon business is hard at first but if you have time and money then you should win no matter what.
Oh no... I have a little experience with pokemon cards for myself. You can expect 12-16 "hits" per lost origin and common pikachu is not one of these. These range in value quite drastically. Full art = texture not a card with full card artwork. God packs are only in certain sets like vmax climax. So much nuance in cards. Fingers crossed for you sir. Thanks for everything you provide to this community!
Just starting to watch this now - crossing my fingers for you Chris! I remember hearing you discuss this with someone in a previous vid so super interested to see what happens.
I'm wondering if you wore latex gloves you would get a higher grading on the cards because you wouldn't get fingerprints on the cards since they are looking under a magnifying glass and fingerprints would show up easily. Even washing your hands fingerprints could get on them because of our natural oils. 🤔
Cool and different video. I want to run a business like this but with comics but it's nearly a break even business. It would just be for the passion of it. Best of luck
Chris…you really don’t get the math? 1 out of 720 does NOT mean you’ll get a guaranteed 1 (or more) in every 720 packs…it does not mean you were scammed; sadly it means you don’t understand mathematics? On the average you should get that many, you got zero…but the next buyer/sucker who purchases 720 packs might get 2 (make up for yours :) or who knows how many, but never guaranteed 1 in 720 packs. Just like in baseball, if someone’s “average” is .333…it doesn’t guarantee they’ll get at least one hit every 3 times at bat. If you need a PhD mathematician in the group…look me up?
hear me out. i do sports cards and have found that lisiting the set, in variation form (card by card) in a 'you pick them' form is a good way to get rid of bulk instead of taking pennies on the dollar.
Plenty of variation listing videos on RUclips. You can find a set list on google. Just takes organizing the set. Which in chris’ case would take a while. Maybe 2-3 hours of work total. If it’s smaller scale about 20-30 minutes to create the variation listing
Math doesnt say that in 720 packs you should have hit it. It was a binomial distribution. If the chances are 1/720, the chances of getting at least 1 in 720 packs is the sum of the chances of getting 1, 2, 3 ... 720 in 720 tries (eg 1 or more) which is the same as 1 minus the chances of getting none. The chances of getting none is (719/720)^720 = 0.37 so the chances of you getting at least one was only 1-0.37 = 63%. Also thinking you should stop looking within a box once you find something good is the gamblers fallacy, assuming the company packages them randomly. You can know whether they package them randomly or not by finding out whether more than 1 or 0 ever come from a given box.
Might want to look into digimon. It's starting to grow so investing now might pay off down the road. The meta game is healthy and releases are consistent. I've been buying the Sealed product to hold onto. Values been increasing already
I tried Pokemon too, Its just gambling with extra steps. Also Lost Origin was not the best Set to open IMO. I think the only way to resell cards is to buy peoples collections and find opportunities in Singles when someone under prices.
I’m interested in this but I’m not seeing the math add up. $100/box, $22/graded card (min.), 20 boxes @ 10 graded/box = $6,400 expenses (unless you’re getting the cards cheaper or grading cheaper). Not including expense for sleeves/card loaders. Is this feasible to expect over a $6,400 return just to be in the profit?
@Meng Han Ah, I missed that breakdown in the video. I was under the impression that bulk grading was a bit more than that but I’m sure there’s workarounds. I think more expensive cards get charged more as well. The mystery template makes sense and I agree and think streams like that likely do well with the right following.
i think his packs are around 2$ ea. And he has been flipping cards for a while now. so he must have some confidence in his numbers to want to get into slabbing his own cards.
he makes his money off of ad rev. like this video and whatnot, which is getting some free advertisement the fast few weeks from the big card games. all about the followers. he can hype a card in real time and get more than market at a lower service fee than ebay would charge.
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Don’t do that again Chris unless you’re gonna make this a separate channel We like the business Cris not the TikTok challenge Chris but This was still fun to watch lol
@@dailyrefinement if you have a little free time look at Danny Phantump’s channel he has videos on the breakdown of percentage of secret rare cards, etc. based off of at least 2-4K pack sample being opened for specific sets. But 9/10 times it’s better to just buy the single card if your collecting.
@@dailyrefinement You'll make more money per hour selling your clothes than you will opening boxes hoping for the high-cost card. You actually just proved it with your video. Card stores make their money buying singles from players and reselling them. The open a few new cases just to have a starting amount of singles so players can make the decks they want. Watch some Alpha Investments videos to get an idea how the market is currently going.
You’re spreading unneeded fear saying the Pokémon seller scammed you because you didn’t pull the hardest card to pull out of the set. It’s not a given that you will ever pull that card, that’s why it’s called Pokémon “trading” card game. Pokémon wants you to open a box get what you get, including doubles and trade for what you need. I’ve got multiple distributors, sell on Whatnot and have been doing this for years, you are never guaranteed any pull!
Oh man watching you cut the packs open makes me cringe. What if the Giratina got sliced? Also recommend you pre-grade your cards before sending them to PSA. You want to make damn sure your submissions will at least get a 9 or it likely won’t be worth the grading fees and shipping costs. Best of luck!
even then, psa and the like will only grade it a 10 if they choose to assign it that number. its too much of a gamble for a small seller. Daily Refinement doesnt seem like the type to invest 10s of thousands on waiting a year to get his cards back then years holding for that one time sale at a profit in the end with nothing to show for it except maybe breaking even with the bulk and other pulls. It just doesnt feel like his method of making money. Its just easier right now than selling shoes for him and saves him on short term storage space. I personally think he should grade what he can and save rarest cards to pass down to his children.
You would have better odds of pulling good cards to grade in a set like "Evolving Skies", it has soooo many more desirable cards than most of the other modern sets. Sure it costs quite a bit more, but you have cards like Alternate Art Rayquaza Vmax or Umbreon Vmax which sell for $300-400 for ungraded copies and then a very big selection of cards that sell for $100-200 ungraded.
Whatnot is a shitty platform for selling cards. Things are constantly going for way under eBay or market price. Just stick to eBay is much easier and effective. The people making real money on whatnot are sponsored
You’re right. And you’re wrong. You need a much MUCH larger sample size. Like 72,000 packs. You’ve never been a GPU or Bitcoin miner lol. I used to mine Ethereum and we call that kind of math “luck percentage”. Say it’s 1/100 odds and you opened 10 and found it, that’s 10% luck. If you opened 230 and found it, that’s 230% luck. I’ve mined 2 Ethereum blocks on my own when I was a miner and had 42% luck and 0.2% luck (REALLY LUCKY, i’m blessed). Unfortunately, math does work like that. I have one friend who found an Ethereum block with 520% luck. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD 5!!! But, your sample size isn’t big enough.
By opening that many packs you literally had a 36% chance of still not getting the card you wanted. Figure out the math before you get to into Pokémon lol
Hey Chris. Long Term Watcher. We Don’t Chat Much. We Work A Lot. I Don’t Expect To Stand Out. Cards, Cards Cards Cards. I Sell Them. That’s A Category I Take On The Shoulders So She Doesn’t Have To. I Prefer A Universal Approach. It’s, Probably, A Waste Of Time For You To Box Break. But. There’s Hidden Potential If Done The Right Way. Mixed Feelings About Seeing You Approach This Lol. Good Luck Man. If You Would Like Any Advice… You Have Helped Us Reach Where We Are Today. It’s The Least I Could Do. “We Are Not On Your Level. Yet.”
Are you guys interested in a card business?
I sell Sportscards on eBay. Haven’t ventured into Pokémon or other non Sportscards yet but certainly interested in it
@@pfeiffdog0811 sports is a whole notha beast!
I’ve sold most Pokémon card for 5 years. Around 10,000 sales.
I’d say if grading price remains similar PSA is way to go. The 10 premium is worth it. Sell as fast as possible for new sets. The bulk has decent value. You can even trade in the bulk at some companies for store credit and get more booster boxes.
Also get a distributor and save when buying bulk boxes.
Buying Japanese sets can make good sealed returns. I bought 50 boxes of Japanese Eevee heroes for $76 a box shipped from Japan and sold for 2.5x less than a year later.
It’s gotta be the special sets not just regular releases
I’m at 61500+ active eBay listings now selling cards part time. Hit me up if you wanna talk about how you can list 100-3000+ cards per hour.
I started selling pokemon / yugioh / magic cards on my ebay store - feedback has skyrocketed - always wanted to box break gamble and see if the $ is worth it
If i were to open all these cards, i would have invited my nephew Leo. He’s the coolest kiddo! It would’ve been so fun!
I watch this channel for the business side of things so to see this video is so crazy 🤯 as someone who has been selling cards for sometime now full time I would say “this is not the way” you were making a killing with the shirts on what not! This is a grind 😢
As a full time yugioh reseller! Deff possible to make your $ back from breaking boxes for customers. But I would say you’d have more success finding some cheap collections and grading the older cards cleaner cards to psa or bgs.
A pleasure to see you dabble with tcg good sir! Keep it up, enjoyed it very much.
fello tcg reseller only on ebay - but I've had crazy success buying local collections and selling individually. I personally played ygo competitively until pendulums came out and recently started selling cards again to boost my ebay feedback fast af. VERY FUN - really want to upgrade a get a fujitsu card scanner and do 1k cards photo front/back per hour
I loved this video. Thank you for staying on topic and providing context. I subbed.
Hi there, great job Chris!!! Just wondering if I missed the follow up to this video or isn't out just yet. Thanks in advanced
I wished I would’ve seen this about three months ago I bought a pack of gold foiled Pokémon cards off Amazon I found one Charizard was supposed to be worth 310 sent it for grading and it was a fake!!! So now I know to buy them from a reputable dealer thank you for sharing❤
Always good to have a side hustle. Pokémon has been booming ever since Hidden Fates set came out and hasn’t stop. Starting a Pokémon business is hard at first but if you have time and money then you should win no matter what.
So just a bit before covid ;). When people start thinking "you can't lose" that's when you know it's time to move be cautious.....
Make ur own grading company for low end slabs. Hypersonic welders are around 2-4k. Mainly suggesting 4 entertainment reasons
Have you done a follow up on this?
We actually play the card game as a family sometimes. I'd be interested in it for sure.
May I ask how many cards you usually send at a time for grading to CGC? Thanks Chris!
Oh no... I have a little experience with pokemon cards for myself. You can expect 12-16 "hits" per lost origin and common pikachu is not one of these. These range in value quite drastically. Full art = texture not a card with full card artwork. God packs are only in certain sets like vmax climax. So much nuance in cards. Fingers crossed for you sir. Thanks for everything you provide to this community!
Just starting to watch this now - crossing my fingers for you Chris! I remember hearing you discuss this with someone in a previous vid so super interested to see what happens.
I'm wondering if you wore latex gloves you would get a higher grading on the cards because you wouldn't get fingerprints on the cards since they are looking under a magnifying glass and fingerprints would show up easily. Even washing your hands fingerprints could get on them because of our natural oils. 🤔
I'm so jealous...so much fun!!!
I’ve been doing this for 2 years now, its so fun and extremely profitable!
Do you buy case and open or buy the raw cards only and then grade?
@@DoubleAcards I get like 40 boxes, sell all the singles on my eBay and grade the rare stuff
@@Wenzel_TCG do you sell the bulk in lots?
@@DoubleAcards no I have someone I sell it all to at once
Cool and different video. I want to run a business like this but with comics but it's nearly a break even business. It would just be for the passion of it. Best of luck
Chris…you really don’t get the math? 1 out of 720 does NOT mean you’ll get a guaranteed 1 (or more) in every 720 packs…it does not mean you were scammed; sadly it means you don’t understand mathematics? On the average you should get that many, you got zero…but the next buyer/sucker who purchases 720 packs might get 2 (make up for yours :) or who knows how many, but never guaranteed 1 in 720 packs. Just like in baseball, if someone’s “average” is .333…it doesn’t guarantee they’ll get at least one hit every 3 times at bat. If you need a PhD mathematician in the group…look me up?
hear me out. i do sports cards and have found that lisiting the set, in variation form (card by card) in a 'you pick them' form is a good way to get rid of bulk instead of taking pennies on the dollar.
how do you do that on ebay?
Plenty of variation listing videos on RUclips. You can find a set list on google. Just takes organizing the set. Which in chris’ case would take a while. Maybe 2-3 hours of work total. If it’s smaller scale about 20-30 minutes to create the variation listing
@@derek9087 thank you, i didn't know the name for it.
I am actually interested in cards! Are you gonna sell on eBay or TCGplayer?
Math doesnt say that in 720 packs you should have hit it. It was a binomial distribution. If the chances are 1/720, the chances of getting at least 1 in 720 packs is the sum of the chances of getting 1, 2, 3 ... 720 in 720 tries (eg 1 or more) which is the same as 1 minus the chances of getting none. The chances of getting none is (719/720)^720 = 0.37 so the chances of you getting at least one was only 1-0.37 = 63%. Also thinking you should stop looking within a box once you find something good is the gamblers fallacy, assuming the company packages them randomly. You can know whether they package them randomly or not by finding out whether more than 1 or 0 ever come from a given box.
Might want to look into digimon. It's starting to grow so investing now might pay off down the road. The meta game is healthy and releases are consistent. I've been buying the Sealed product to hold onto. Values been increasing already
I tried Pokemon too, Its just gambling with extra steps. Also Lost Origin was not the best Set to open IMO. I think the only way to resell cards is to buy peoples collections and find opportunities in Singles when someone under prices.
I’m interested in this but I’m not seeing the math add up. $100/box, $22/graded card (min.), 20 boxes @ 10 graded/box = $6,400 expenses (unless you’re getting the cards cheaper or grading cheaper). Not including expense for sleeves/card loaders. Is this feasible to expect over a $6,400 return just to be in the profit?
@Meng Han Ah, I missed that breakdown in the video. I was under the impression that bulk grading was a bit more than that but I’m sure there’s workarounds. I think more expensive cards get charged more as well.
The mystery template makes sense and I agree and think streams like that likely do well with the right following.
I'm with you, I don't know how someone can be highly profitable reselling headed cards. But I'm sure it's possible if you can buy at a discount
i think his packs are around 2$ ea. And he has been flipping cards for a while now. so he must have some confidence in his numbers to want to get into slabbing his own cards.
he makes his money off of ad rev. like this video and whatnot, which is getting some free advertisement the fast few weeks from the big card games.
all about the followers. he can hype a card in real time and get more than market at a lower service fee than ebay would charge.
You need a play at under those cards
What is the link to your eBay store?
"I'm torturing myself....Because I want to see if you can do this for a living" Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the most interesting man alive. Brother, I respect and love your attributes, salute to you good sir!
Don’t do that again Chris unless you’re gonna make this a separate channel We like the business Cris not the TikTok challenge Chris but This was still fun to watch lol
You spelled Giratina wrong in the title of the video!!!!!! Awesome video, I love trading cards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Opening boxes as a card business is just gambling.
I’m not entirely sure that’s true if you’re buying bulk. The cost of the cards is so low, that I think the graded hits make up for it
@@dailyrefinement if you have a little free time look at Danny Phantump’s channel he has videos on the breakdown of percentage of secret rare cards, etc. based off of at least 2-4K pack sample being opened for specific sets. But 9/10 times it’s better to just buy the single card if your collecting.
@@dailyrefinement You'll make more money per hour selling your clothes than you will opening boxes hoping for the high-cost card. You actually just proved it with your video. Card stores make their money buying singles from players and reselling them. The open a few new cases just to have a starting amount of singles so players can make the decks they want.
Watch some Alpha Investments videos to get an idea how the market is currently going.
Truer words have never been spoken.
@@dailyrefinement so you wait for them to get graded as prices decrease further...even worse lmao.
Had no idea you were into Pokémon
@Young_Soldier23 this entire time I thought I just liked Pokémon, now I realize it’s just bc I’m Asian!
@@dailyrefinement 😂😂😂
@@dailyrefinement 🤣
@Young_Soldier23 Smdh all these years liking Pokemon and now I just learned that I'm Asian 😔
I must have some Asian in me somewhere then lol
After 25 years Ash finally became pokemon world champion.
Probabiltiy doesn't work like that
10 gradeble cards per box? With the shit quality control.. good luck 🤣
Wizards of The Coast haven't printed Poke cards in many years...
Hello Chris.
Good luck….
Love watching your channel ❤
Thank you! You too!
Grab some 1st edition base set boxes 😅
I’m too scared of losing money to break boxes for grading cards.
'Scared' - You misspelled smart
Did you end up making a profit or losing off this?
You’re spreading unneeded fear saying the Pokémon seller scammed you because you didn’t pull the hardest card to pull out of the set. It’s not a given that you will ever pull that card, that’s why it’s called Pokémon “trading” card game. Pokémon wants you to open a box get what you get, including doubles and trade for what you need. I’ve got multiple distributors, sell on Whatnot and have been doing this for years, you are never guaranteed any pull!
Oh man watching you cut the packs open makes me cringe. What if the Giratina got sliced? Also recommend you pre-grade your cards before sending them to PSA. You want to make damn sure your submissions will at least get a 9 or it likely won’t be worth the grading fees and shipping costs. Best of luck!
even then, psa and the like will only grade it a 10 if they choose to assign it that number. its too much of a gamble for a small seller. Daily Refinement doesnt seem like the type to invest 10s of thousands on waiting a year to get his cards back then years holding for that one time sale at a profit in the end with nothing to show for it except maybe breaking even with the bulk and other pulls.
It just doesnt feel like his method of making money. Its just easier right now than selling shoes for him and saves him on short term storage space. I personally think he should grade what he can and save rarest cards to pass down to his children.
IT'S NOT JEERATINA!!
that only cost you 2000? USD?
The company’s caught on to how everyone is trying to resell collector cards. Mtg, Pokémon, etc they know which city they send what to
You would have better odds of pulling good cards to grade in a set like "Evolving Skies", it has soooo many more desirable cards than most of the other modern sets. Sure it costs quite a bit more, but you have cards like Alternate Art Rayquaza Vmax or Umbreon Vmax which sell for $300-400 for ungraded copies and then a very big selection of cards that sell for $100-200 ungraded.
Lost Origin has some of the worst pull rates for recent pokemon sets. Just the luck of the draw.
Omg yes!!!
Guh guh guh Giratina GEARAHTEENAH
I have collection that I have no idea what to do with 🙀
Ill take it
Hi , i just found Giratina V Alt Art by opening only 34 boosters ,i'm sorry for u this is only a matter of luck
Where do I sell this cuz I’m no collector I just bought a random pack and got it
Whatnot is a shitty platform for selling cards. Things are constantly going for way under eBay or market price. Just stick to eBay is much easier and effective. The people making real money on whatnot are sponsored
Most of em have a large RUclips following so he might do ok.
You’re right. And you’re wrong. You need a much MUCH larger sample size. Like 72,000 packs.
You’ve never been a GPU or Bitcoin miner lol. I used to mine Ethereum and we call that kind of math “luck percentage”. Say it’s 1/100 odds and you opened 10 and found it, that’s 10% luck. If you opened 230 and found it, that’s 230% luck.
I’ve mined 2 Ethereum blocks on my own when I was a miner and had 42% luck and 0.2% luck (REALLY LUCKY, i’m blessed).
Unfortunately, math does work like that. I have one friend who found an Ethereum block with 520% luck. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD 5!!! But, your sample size isn’t big enough.
By opening that many packs you literally had a 36% chance of still not getting the card you wanted. Figure out the math before you get to into Pokémon lol
But he also had a chance of getting more than one so he made a perfectly financially sound decision based on his 1/720 knowledge.
👍
Yes, value has fallen.
Similar to a scratch off lottery ticket business model. With all due respect, foolishness.
Hey Chris. Long Term Watcher. We Don’t Chat Much. We Work A Lot. I Don’t Expect To Stand Out.
Cards, Cards Cards Cards.
I Sell Them. That’s A Category I Take On The Shoulders So She Doesn’t Have To. I Prefer A Universal Approach. It’s, Probably, A Waste Of Time For You To Box Break.
But. There’s Hidden Potential If Done The Right Way. Mixed Feelings About Seeing You Approach This Lol. Good Luck Man. If You Would Like Any Advice… You Have Helped Us Reach Where We Are Today. It’s The Least I Could Do.
“We Are Not On Your Level. Yet.”
I just l pulled it in 2 booster packs LOL
not gonna lie; really don't want to see this type of content from this channel lol
Way to many ads
You're a numbers guy, so you should know if you buy ANOTHER 720, you should get 2 of the cards you're looking for! Come on Man, do it!