the "how it kil-" part is so well done since it's not only a moment where he realizes he's going to have to kill it, but also that Sasha has been gone for a while without him even realizing ... oOF
Idk how he got his voice to do that so convincingly, some voice actors are beyond skilled/talented and outright terrifyingly good. Breaks my damn heart, it's so effective
I think it's more like that they can only rewrite the memories of the people who are close to them at that moment or hadn't watched the turn like Amy did.
@thatchaoticspirit9806 from what I've seen, they're strong enough to rewrite everything from digital record to everyone's memories. They specifically leave one person unaltered just to fuck with them
@past me, it's gonna get so much worse. But still, this was the moment that hit me the most in the series, along with "the Librarian". At the end of season 4, as a defense mechanism, I've desensitized myself, I think. Or it's just that the scale of the threat is so big that it's not felt anymore (overly sarcastic productions did a great video on this, how threats too big, especially not likely to happen (like the end of the world) don't really affect the audience that much, because we still can't really comprehend this scale of destruction. But, to their credit, they did what not many stories actually do- (SPOILERS) they did the apocalypse. It's cool, but I'm just like eh. What can you threaten me with now? Killing the characters? lol. Making them suffer? Been there done that. There's honestly nothing I can think of that could actually emotionally wreck me as the episodes in the first seasons did. But, Jonny Sims, feel free to surprise me. What you gonna do with that bat? You gonna hit me? Better make it count! Better make it *hurt* ! Better kill me in one shot!)
I read half of your spoilery comment and not gonna lie, usually anything in english affects me less emotionally because it's not my first language and i have to focus so much on understanding what's going on that I'm rarely affected but that voice acting felt like a punch
I may be reading too much into it, but I think Jon loved Sasha, too, and he just realized she was gone. It wasn't romantic, but he's still devastated by her loss.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the main difference between Jon and Gertrude is how they feel about their assistants. Jon may not be the nicest boss, but he still does care about them and does so much to try and prevent them from dying.
@@michellemaloney2839 i definitely got this vibe too. Not romantic, just...she was a friend, he respected her, he cared for her, he trusted her, and realizing she's been lost genuinely hurts :(
@@Vi_Vi_1 i was picking up that they definitely confided in one another. Jon would vent to her sometimes on tapes in season one and he seemed to trust her opinion a bit more than Martin's when she gave her statement. And he was always nicer to her compared to the others. They just seemed to be on the same wavelength, you know? They were good friends. I knew it was going to be sad when Jon realized that that isn't his friend and I figured he'd feel guilty (back to last episode, when he says "why Melanie..." as in why did she figure it out, and my guess, why he didn't even realize something was wrong). Excuse me, I'm preparing for the real feels hours now
@@hamburgerdog25 Absolutely! It's what made this episode hit so damn hard, knowing they were good friends 😭 the idea of not only losing a close friend, but not REALIZING it for months?? Yeah that would fuck me up
"I don't know what this-....I know exactly what this means" and "how it works, how it ki-" both just wrecked me. The voice acting in this series is TOO GOOD
the creepiest thing about this is that it mirrors reality. there is mental disorder where someone _firmly_ believes that someone they know has been replaced by a complete stranger-- but nobody else seems to have noticed. hopefully, it _is_ just a disorder, and not something. else. it's called capgras syndrome
Women seem to be more affected by the capgras syndrome than men funny, since, as far I can remember, the only two people that noticed the not-them were female
I'm wondering if she was eaten by all the worms and something took her place, like a Michael type or a not Graham that was inside the white and blue vase and climbed out!??
I kind of figured something stole her identity when we heard the bit of her screaming and then something trying to sound more and more like her, copying the last words she said. "I see you"
For your information, St Peter's Church was designed by Thomas Graham Jackson, a pupil of Sir Gilbert Scott, who was the architect mentioned in "Foundation" as the pupil of Robert Smirke.
I always thought that the Not!People had some sort of magic that prevents the people that the originals closely and consistently associated with from noticing a difference, but it doesn’t affect people who only know them from occasional interaction. It kinda is confirmed in this statement, where the dad who is constantly around his wife wouldn’t notice, but the daughter (who has been estranged for a while) noticed immediately.
At the same time, neighbors of this person's mother and all the people, who knew Graham before the change, except for a single girl who gave the statement, seem to also be affected, even though Graham didn't have any real friends or relatives among them. I think it just affects the whole world except for a very few
I'm not 100% on how The Fears work but I would assume this specific one would need a conscious victim or two to feel the fear. If it just replaced people and killed others for the lolz, then the only fear emitted would be betrayal or just plain death.
I thought it was telepathic. Just sort of taps into your brain and re-wires it a bit. Of course if that were case, it would never get detected. Unless maybe the only people it doesnt work on just have this sort of brain or mental makeup that it can't jack
I love how real the statement givers are. Personally I don't have this type of relationship, fortunately, but I've seen it happen to other people too often.
Well at least this answer my constant screams of why Not!Sasha went undetected for so long. It's in-universe magic, not incompetence. That's alright, I suppose
The way Jon's voice dies in his throat is just- 🤌🤌🤌 HE FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT LETS GOOOOO But also holy crap his paranoia probably just jumped from "everyone is a suspect for Gerteude's murder" to "Everyone could be a shape shifting liar that killed Gertrude and can kill me too and no one would know. *I* wouldn't know "
I feel like this is the moment where things really became real for Jon. The worms were scary but they found out how to deal with them and while they had several brushes with danger then, they all made it out alive, at least that's what everyone thought. The fact that this whole time Sasha hasn't been Sasha and all of the realization that as safe as the archives has felt, they're not all that safe. That one of his people, one of his team, one of his friends, has died. I don't know what that's going to do to Jon. Frankly I'm scared for him. He's been through so much. I don't know how much more till he breaks.
congrats, that's the first episode to really get under my skin and what did it wasn't even the supernatural part, just the real mom's stellar parenting
That whole "How it ki-" part imo was Jon realizing that the real Sasha was dead, and it just sort of hit him. akHjdshj god his voice makes me so fucking depressed
Not!Them and Stranger namedrop! But he still hasn't recalled Not!Graham. And yeah, I guess it just likes replacing people to fuck with their acquaintances, nothing more organized than that. Poor Jon... :( I guess she really isn't coming back.
THANKS FOR NOTICING. Shit threw me off. I wonder if Martin took over for a bit because Jon was getting too unstable and he's doing it himself again because, even though this situation is tragic, he's finally able to catch on? And like be more grounded in what the actual problem is instead of looking for Gertrude's killer?
Jon’s paranoia turned him into the boy who cried wolf Edit: Also fun fact there’s a psychological condition called capgras syndrome where someone believes that a person they know has been replaced by an impostor who looks like them
Jon's been so bad at this spying thing so far so now I'm just imagining him forcefully wedging himself between Not!Sasha and the others while giving her suspicous glares and not explaining himself. You're not subtle, Jon. Go take a nap.
And!! This also explains why Melanie remembers! It’s interesting to note that so many statement-makers die sometime after visiting the Institute, but clearly the Entities(?) want there to be survivors to tell their tale?? Or something?? Like how that poor lady ‘escaped’ from Michael, only to be caught again as soon as she made her statement. Michael could have taken her back at any time, but it chose THAT moment to do it. But then, didn’t Prentiss or someone say that the worms hate the Archives because knowledge reduces fear of the Entities or something? They were even physically slower once they entered the Archives,,, aaaaaa the pieces are slowly coming together but I can’t see what picture it is yet
I have a theory that uses one tiny spoiler, so spoilers below My theory is that the Eye interferes in some statement givers fates so that they can collect and consume the fear they produce from having to relive it. The Eyes interference is never confirmed outright iirc, but there is a detail that gets revealed later that jon reading the statements causes the statement givers to relive the moment or have nightmares of him staring at them.
@@jaxsonadros2066 true!! plus all of the entities would benefit from statement givers bc when they relive their fear, they have to deal with both the og trauma (eg spiral) and new trauma of Having Something Watching. also... they probably just enjoy playing with their food lmao
(first time watcher) it does seem like fear is part of it, but it certainly isnt all of it. We by this point know that the Janes entity and the stranger have a vested interest against the institute, seeing as they worked together, but then Micheal is actively sabotaging them both? and obviously has the power to just walk in and wreck everything easily, like what Jane attempted. It seems to me that in the middle of all this, there is some other agenda, a long term goal that these entities are only partly aligned with (oh and there also was the spiders that ate the silver worms in the arachnophobia episode. Spiders hate worms??? And the girl from the orphanage. When she was dating that guy, his spider webs burned up. Fire hates spiders???)
Sometime ago someone left a comment along the lines of"dif you know - when the recording is truly abnormal you can hear static " i thought that it couldn't be right . This time i turned the volume up. There. It. Was . Literally shivers . TMA has such amazing attention to details .
this actually brought tears in my eyes when Jon's voice broke off.......... T_____T I had actually hoped the table caused all this and that Sasha got somehow trapped in it(??) and replaced... Sasha being dead is hard to accept :(((
i knew theyd mention changelings when lucy talked about folklore, love it!! (even if thats not exactly what the creatures are exactly in this universe)
This is probably the scariest episode so far next to the underwater cave for me. Being killed and having your very existence erased to be replaced by someone else is horrifying. Plus Jon finally having that lightbulb moment about Sasha. The grief and guilt in his voice is palpable.
i really love Gertrude's delivery on statements! it's a bit more matter of fact and it sounds like she's discovering the information as we are, and i like that about it
When I first listened to TMA I barely noticed that Sasha was replaced, so I was honestly in the same mental spot as Jon when the pieces were put together
I had just the strangest sense of deja vu this entire episode. This is my first listen through of this podcast but I could have sworn I'd heard this story before.
You did. Unfortunately I don’t have the episode number but we’ve heard a similar story about something like this before. It was a man instead, he was a bit weird beforehand and made the protagonist uncomfortable, and towards the end he started to act very paranoid. The protagonist notices that a creature with long arms was reaching out of the guys window and in the morning the protagonist notices that the guy isn’t quite the same, and the Not!creepy guy says something vaguely threatening to him. Again, I don’t have all the details memorised, but this isn’t the only story like this.
I feel bad for jon in this episode, i mean, he found out that the sasha at thats now working at the archives is a fake, he reaslised that the real sasha could be and he cant tell anyone about it without risking gertrudes case going up in flames. All that stress is really going to damage his mental health more than it already is, i feel bad ya know :(
I heard that this podcast has a fear for everybody and omg this is def my episode, one of my most common nightmares are where my mom isn't my mom, like it looks like her but 100% is not her, and all I do is scream or cry because I know it wants to hurt me but I can't just run away because I have to find my real mom if she isn't already dead. Ngl this episode is freakily specific to those nightmares lolll
Holy shit. I've been sitting here, listening to this while crocheting a reading shawl. I knew pretty early it was the Not!Them, but when the reporter mentioned the Changlings tape, and when Jon mentioned that Sasha's tapes were the only ones missing, EVERY HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STOOD ON END. That was such a terrifying and emotional delivery holy SHIT.
My theory from this episode and what we know so far: At last, the realisation we've all been waiting for. John finally put it together in the last episode, finally the supernatural's try or, to be exact in this episode, Not!Sasha's powers of making him not notice all the weird things about her weren't stronger than his will to know, to find out the truth. And he now knows that all those feelings were right: Not!Sasha is not Sasha. I was kinda hoping that Sasha wouldn't actually be dead, but since in this case there hasn't been anyone claiming to be the mother after the father died means that either the real mother was never in the normal-dimension ever again or that she was but under a different identity (something like forgetting her past life and being given another one where someone else knows that she's not who she claims to be or having amnesia or something like that, I don't know). Gertrude's burning the tape sounds reasonable, I wouldn't want to attract that creature's attention either and if you don't know how it works then it's best not to risk it, but I don't know if her burning the tape was only just because of that reason. That and her neglect of investigating further because "it would be a waste of time" sounds to me more like she didn't want to go to the offense with that creature and only wanted to collect the info about it. We get two names, Not!Them and the Stranger, so these are the names of two creatures who may or may not be the same entity with different manifestations. I mean, a person you know being replaced by a stranger does sound like something that an entity called Stranger would do, but many of those entities are very similar with others though they're different, so we don't know yet. Gertrude's last remark, of it being a creature that just goes and replaces people at random for a short time each time and the damage it would do if it had a plan, makes me believe that Not!Sasha does indeed have a plan. Her long "dates" at the wax museum, her volunteering to go and check out the taxidermy shop, her staying as Not!Sasha for so long, the shreds of paper John found in her desk when he was "checking for files", her going to the tunnels again and again, it's clear that she has a plan, a plan that we don't know yet, and she's working with someone else outside the Institute. Hopefully her plan will be shown in this season's finale, I'd hate to see her being inside the Institute for another season and John having to pretend everything is okay when he sure as hell knows it's not.
Thank you for always replying to these videos. Your conclusive theories are so interesting and these are always what I'm thinking. Honestly I just love them so I just wanted to say thank you.
I’m also here on a relisten and everyone’s comments on every ep are so good but this has become my new favorite comment on all the eps I’ve listened to so far because same 🥲
If the original Rose Cooper studied English and Irish folklore, she probably was familiar with changelings. I imagine that whatever replaced her found it funny to turn her into one of the myths she studied.
dam, if he tries to tell anyone they might just think he's being overly paranoid again. Plus the brief silence were he's realizing sasha is probably dead. Up untill now i'v kinda been holding out hope that there's some way to bring her back, but his reaction makes it feel more like she's gone for good now.
OMgg this one hit me hard,, i love my mom so much so just thinking about this gives me Chills ;--; ,, also props to jonathan who probably is going to do a big dumb thing again for his trust issues :))) totally cool :)) also The Stranger (with block mayus) aparently the Not!Them is an "aspect" of it, so we can only asume the creatures we have seen before likely are an "aspect" of one other big thing behind them!!!!!! cant wait to find out where this leads T--T
Jeez, this one really scared the crap out of me. I couldn't bear the thought of my mother dying and a Not!Them replacing her and my father ignorant about the woman he was kissing.
I think it's fascinating that it was the Melony and Daisy (not Basira) that recognized NotSasha. Daisy only in passing but Melony was enough to make it click
Oh, thank god... Jon didn't go on to an entirely unrelated case. Good. Sad, since he's likely about to realize that Sasha's been gone for a while, but good. Edit: OH SNAP! I think this was the first mention of a name for one of the... source things for each fear source! And, sure enough, Jon's about to break down... Poor guy. He's not the emotionally stunted person that the rest of the cast seem to think he is....
@@mimkyodar I must have left off for a night between Mary's and this one the first time through. When did Trevor mention the Hunt, directly? I don't remember a proper name drop for it.
this episode is amazing! but im VERY curious about the "aspect of the stranger" thing... i have some theories that i think are turning out to be correct
no matter how many relistens i do, how long ive been a fan, how much a mess jon is being, it always filles me with SO much joy and pride when he puts everything together and figures out a mystery. hell yeah youre doing great
I don't usually make comments. But I have no one to speculate with about this, so please humor me. But I believe that the reason for some people remembering and others not is that while it has to blend in, the fear has to come from somewhere. What would be scary or amiss if it simply changed everything?
That’s a really good theory! I also saw someone say that it only impacts those who know them really well, but I don’t know if that tracks given the neighbors’ altered recollections. This theory that you have makes a lot of sense, especially since the not!them seem to take joy in the terror they cause those that know
George Cooper is also the name of Sheldon Coopers father and I pictured his face all the time they talked about the father lmao Also poor Jon :c I love this podcast so much and I'm glad they're finally catching on about Not!Sasha
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the "how it kil-" part is so well done since it's not only a moment where he realizes he's going to have to kill it, but also that Sasha has been gone for a while without him even realizing ... oOF
Idk how he got his voice to do that so convincingly, some voice actors are beyond skilled/talented and outright terrifyingly good. Breaks my damn heart, it's so effective
This lady hated her mother so much that no paranormal monstrosities could rewrite her memories
I think it's more like that they can only rewrite the memories of the people who are close to them at that moment or hadn't watched the turn like Amy did.
@thatchaoticspirit9806 from what I've seen, they're strong enough to rewrite everything from digital record to everyone's memories. They specifically leave one person unaltered just to fuck with them
@@Souleater787 paranormal trolls then
My soul left my body when Jon's voice dies: "- how it works, how it ki...."
johns soul left his body too
i legit thought he'd gotten stabbed midway through
@@charliem.1368 I choked on my tea 😂🍵
It was definitely a legit bit of voice acting
Oh no.... The terrible realization... The grief... I cannot...
@past me, it's gonna get so much worse.
But still, this was the moment that hit me the most in the series, along with "the Librarian". At the end of season 4, as a defense mechanism, I've desensitized myself, I think. Or it's just that the scale of the threat is so big that it's not felt anymore (overly sarcastic productions did a great video on this, how threats too big, especially not likely to happen (like the end of the world) don't really affect the audience that much, because we still can't really comprehend this scale of destruction. But, to their credit, they did what not many stories actually do- (SPOILERS)
they did the apocalypse. It's cool, but I'm just like eh. What can you threaten me with now? Killing the characters? lol. Making them suffer? Been there done that. There's honestly nothing I can think of that could actually emotionally wreck me as the episodes in the first seasons did. But, Jonny Sims, feel free to surprise me. What you gonna do with that bat? You gonna hit me? Better make it count! Better make it *hurt* ! Better kill me in one shot!)
I read half of your spoilery comment and not gonna lie, usually anything in english affects me less emotionally because it's not my first language and i have to focus so much on understanding what's going on that I'm rarely affected but that voice acting felt like a punch
Jon sounded like he was on the brink of tears :(
I may be reading too much into it, but I think Jon loved Sasha, too, and he just realized she was gone. It wasn't romantic, but he's still devastated by her loss.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the main difference between Jon and Gertrude is how they feel about their assistants. Jon may not be the nicest boss, but he still does care about them and does so much to try and prevent them from dying.
@@michellemaloney2839 i definitely got this vibe too. Not romantic, just...she was a friend, he respected her, he cared for her, he trusted her, and realizing she's been lost genuinely hurts :(
@@Vi_Vi_1 i was picking up that they definitely confided in one another. Jon would vent to her sometimes on tapes in season one and he seemed to trust her opinion a bit more than Martin's when she gave her statement. And he was always nicer to her compared to the others. They just seemed to be on the same wavelength, you know? They were good friends. I knew it was going to be sad when Jon realized that that isn't his friend and I figured he'd feel guilty (back to last episode, when he says "why Melanie..." as in why did she figure it out, and my guess, why he didn't even realize something was wrong).
Excuse me, I'm preparing for the real feels hours now
@@hamburgerdog25 Absolutely! It's what made this episode hit so damn hard, knowing they were good friends 😭 the idea of not only losing a close friend, but not REALIZING it for months?? Yeah that would fuck me up
"I don't know what this-....I know exactly what this means" and "how it works, how it ki-" both just wrecked me. The voice acting in this series is TOO GOOD
I don't think we've ever heard Jon more terrified and upset than in this tape.
Two minutes in and I realize what Jon meant when he said he knew where to start at the end of the last episode. Finally he’s catching on!
"You're not Jim. Jim is not Asian"
NotJim... O_O
Jim be like "You seriously never noticed? Hey, hands off to you for not seeing race."
goddamn. best comment. it's exactly right
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim!
HAHAHAHAHA
_"There is a stranger claiming to be my mother"_ Coraline? Is that you?
Also: I really like the mention of changelings.
Omg I just realized Coraline's story would fit this series without a doubt!
@@citra1885I am 80% sure that there's at least *some* subconscious relation between that movie and the web
Poor Jon. This is not gonna help with his paranoia
It's not paranoia if he's right!
Its not paranoia if theyre really out to get you
the creepiest thing about this is that it mirrors reality. there is mental disorder where someone _firmly_ believes that someone they know has been replaced by a complete stranger-- but nobody else seems to have noticed. hopefully, it _is_ just a disorder, and not something. else.
it's called capgras syndrome
Omg… yeah. Hopefully it’s just a disorder 😳
Women seem to be more affected by the capgras syndrome than men
funny, since, as far I can remember, the only two people that noticed the not-them were female
@@bebeth8468 Three. The window watching woman, the woman from this statement, and the ghost hunter.
I was wondering if anyone would point that out
@@alexs1954 and basira
nope. i refuse to believe sasha is dead. i love her too much to accept that.
I remember at the end of last season i was so prepared for the characters to realize the fake and go find the real Sasha ;-;
I hope she is, I don't think the alternative would be something I want for her
who knows, maybe she wasn't real all along... just kidding :p! I'm sure she's out there somewhere
Way beyond that fam. She's been gone for a long time.
Well, sucks to be you!!🤫
THE VOICEACTING OF THIS SERIES IS SO GOOD
JON HOW?? GIV ME YOUR SECRET
@@crusherdust simple: act with your voice
Realizing Sasha is actually probably like dead and not mind controlled like I originally assumed
I'm wondering if she was eaten by all the worms and something took her place, like a Michael type or a not Graham that was inside the white and blue vase and climbed out!??
I kind of figured something stole her identity when we heard the bit of her screaming and then something trying to sound more and more like her, copying the last words she said.
"I see you"
I thought she was trapped inside the table or something, I just realized how stupid that is
For your information, St Peter's Church was designed by Thomas Graham Jackson, a pupil of Sir Gilbert Scott, who was the architect mentioned in "Foundation" as the pupil of Robert Smirke.
Woah. Thanks for the info
SMIIRRRRKKKKEEEEEE
OH THAT IS TOO FKING GOOD, well done Simms
At this point I'm just gonna assume that any spooky building mentioned has Smirke etc to blame
I always thought that the Not!People had some sort of magic that prevents the people that the originals closely and consistently associated with from noticing a difference, but it doesn’t affect people who only know them from occasional interaction. It kinda is confirmed in this statement, where the dad who is constantly around his wife wouldn’t notice, but the daughter (who has been estranged for a while) noticed immediately.
At the same time, neighbors of this person's mother and all the people, who knew Graham before the change, except for a single girl who gave the statement, seem to also be affected, even though Graham didn't have any real friends or relatives among them. I think it just affects the whole world except for a very few
I'm not 100% on how The Fears work but I would assume this specific one would need a conscious victim or two to feel the fear. If it just replaced people and killed others for the lolz, then the only fear emitted would be betrayal or just plain death.
I thought it was telepathic. Just sort of taps into your brain and re-wires it a bit. Of course if that were case, it would never get detected. Unless maybe the only people it doesnt work on just have this sort of brain or mental makeup that it can't jack
SO THAT'S WHY MELANIE NOTICED NOT!SASHA WHILE THE OTHERS DIDNT!! i kept wondering how she managed to do that !
@@audacioustabby2774Exactly. Someone needs to know or there isn't any fear.
i was already spoiled for what happened to sasha, but when jon's voice dies at "how it ki--" my heart just DROPPED
No matter how many times I hear it, it still crushes me every time 😭
Being too much like your mom, to the point of friction, hit close to home for me.
I love how real the statement givers are. Personally I don't have this type of relationship, fortunately, but I've seen it happen to other people too often.
Well at least this answer my constant screams of why Not!Sasha went undetected for so long. It's in-universe magic, not incompetence. That's alright, I suppose
Or your just like me who forgot that scene that happened at the end of episode 39 and just forgot what the original sounded like
they all did say that they thought it was jane prentiss screaming
dammit Jon trust martin already
he is your sam in this horrifying adventure to mount literal doom
your sam in the nights watch
Your Sam on the road so far!
@@DJsonnet141 ON THE ROAD SO FAAAAAAARRR!!!!!!!!
The way Jon's voice dies in his throat is just- 🤌🤌🤌
HE FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT LETS GOOOOO
But also holy crap his paranoia probably just jumped from "everyone is a suspect for Gerteude's murder" to "Everyone could be a shape shifting liar that killed Gertrude and can kill me too and no one would know. *I* wouldn't know "
I feel like this is the moment where things really became real for Jon. The worms were scary but they found out how to deal with them and while they had several brushes with danger then, they all made it out alive, at least that's what everyone thought. The fact that this whole time Sasha hasn't been Sasha and all of the realization that as safe as the archives has felt, they're not all that safe. That one of his people, one of his team, one of his friends, has died. I don't know what that's going to do to Jon. Frankly I'm scared for him. He's been through so much. I don't know how much more till he breaks.
The way the statement just starts "There is a stranger claiming to be my mother," made me want to throw up
congrats, that's the first episode to really get under my skin and what did it wasn't even the supernatural part, just the real mom's stellar parenting
Ugh yes… same here.
my fav comment ever hahahah
Sarcasm? She was right about the husband though.
That whole "How it ki-" part imo was Jon realizing that the real Sasha was dead, and it just sort of hit him. akHjdshj god his voice makes me so fucking depressed
Not!Them and Stranger namedrop! But he still hasn't recalled Not!Graham. And yeah, I guess it just likes replacing people to fuck with their acquaintances, nothing more organized than that.
Poor Jon... :( I guess she really isn't coming back.
It's odd that Not!Graham seemed to know something was coming for him though.
Is no one going to talk about the fact that jon read the end credits this time?
THANKS FOR NOTICING. Shit threw me off. I wonder if Martin took over for a bit because Jon was getting too unstable and he's doing it himself again because, even though this situation is tragic, he's finally able to catch on? And like be more grounded in what the actual problem is instead of looking for Gertrude's killer?
Jon’s paranoia turned him into the boy who cried wolf
Edit: Also fun fact there’s a psychological condition called capgras syndrome where someone believes that a person they know has been replaced by an impostor who looks like them
Jon's been so bad at this spying thing so far so now I'm just imagining him forcefully wedging himself between Not!Sasha and the others while giving her suspicous glares and not explaining himself.
You're not subtle, Jon. Go take a nap.
Jane Prentiss "The horde of worms, pestilence" = X
People's church of the divine host, Maxwell Reiner = X
NOT!Sasha = Next on the hit list : - 3
John's paranoia = INTENCE THERAPY
The way he trailed off saying "how it kills" in that second he properly realised the fact Sasha is actually dead.
Noo, please, i hope sasha isn't dead, or that she is instead trapped in something at least. I really liked her :'(
I was hoping she was sucked in by the table or something.
And!! This also explains why Melanie remembers! It’s interesting to note that so many statement-makers die sometime after visiting the Institute, but clearly the Entities(?) want there to be survivors to tell their tale?? Or something?? Like how that poor lady ‘escaped’ from Michael, only to be caught again as soon as she made her statement. Michael could have taken her back at any time, but it chose THAT moment to do it. But then, didn’t Prentiss or someone say that the worms hate the Archives because knowledge reduces fear of the Entities or something? They were even physically slower once they entered the Archives,,, aaaaaa the pieces are slowly coming together but I can’t see what picture it is yet
I have a theory that uses one tiny spoiler, so spoilers below
My theory is that the Eye interferes in some statement givers fates so that they can collect and consume the fear they produce from having to relive it. The Eyes interference is never confirmed outright iirc, but there is a detail that gets revealed later that jon reading the statements causes the statement givers to relive the moment or have nightmares of him staring at them.
@@jaxsonadros2066 true!! plus all of the entities would benefit from statement givers bc when they relive their fear, they have to deal with both the og trauma (eg spiral) and new trauma of Having Something Watching. also... they probably just enjoy playing with their food lmao
(first time watcher)
it does seem like fear is part of it, but it certainly isnt all of it. We by this point know that the Janes entity and the stranger have a vested interest against the institute, seeing as they worked together, but then Micheal is actively sabotaging them both? and obviously has the power to just walk in and wreck everything easily, like what Jane attempted. It seems to me that in the middle of all this, there is some other agenda, a long term goal that these entities are only partly aligned with
(oh and there also was the spiders that ate the silver worms in the arachnophobia episode. Spiders hate worms??? And the girl from the orphanage. When she was dating that guy, his spider webs burned up. Fire hates spiders???)
@@danielskovbjerg4562 clever observations! i hope you enjoy the rest of the podcast as it unravels :)
But not Sasha, I liked her so much. I had this tiny hope she would come back, but that's a thing from kid's cartoons
Are you from Poland?? I mean, your yt name surely is :D
@@yourdadisastoner Yes, unfortunately.
I like your mother.
I also hope she's just trapped somewhere, not dead, but... *sigh
me too I miss her so much :(((
I love Gertrude!! Gosh, her voice is so fantastic
In terms of voice actors they are mother and son
@@someoneawesome8717 i love so much that Jon's irl mother plays Gertrude. It's such a fun detail
@@Vi_Vi_1 Sue Sims is a delightful woman
@@someoneawesome8717 indeed! Also apparently having a great voice runs in the family lol
Sometime ago someone left a comment along the lines of"dif you know - when the recording is truly abnormal you can hear static " i thought that it couldn't be right . This time i turned the volume up. There. It. Was . Literally shivers . TMA has such amazing attention to details .
I hope you know it's been this way since the very first episode! It's worth a re-listen lol!
It was a shock to hear Jon’s voice doing the outro! Now I’m used to Martin!
15:57 the fact you can hear just when he realized this theory would mean she’s dead 🙁
this actually brought tears in my eyes when Jon's voice broke off.......... T_____T I had actually hoped the table caused all this and that Sasha got somehow trapped in it(??) and replaced... Sasha being dead is hard to accept :(((
I know, this one really hurts 😭
i knew theyd mention changelings when lucy talked about folklore, love it!! (even if thats not exactly what the creatures are exactly in this universe)
Folklore is often the attempt to explain the unexplainable...
@@justinjacobs1501 yeah, i know?
This is probably the scariest episode so far next to the underwater cave for me. Being killed and having your very existence erased to be replaced by someone else is horrifying. Plus Jon finally having that lightbulb moment about Sasha. The grief and guilt in his voice is palpable.
the stranger huh 👀but oh god oh god the season end approaching holy shit
poor jon :(
I've been hearing about the stranger in the comments for a while, nice to finally actually get there in the series!
i really love Gertrude's delivery on statements! it's a bit more matter of fact and it sounds like she's discovering the information as we are, and i like that about it
When I first listened to TMA I barely noticed that Sasha was replaced, so I was honestly in the same mental spot as Jon when the pieces were put together
I would sell my soul to Crowley himself to give John a hug
Which one?
@@bebeth8468 John Magnus Archives
Nono, I mean which Crowley
@@bebeth8468 Supernatural Crowley lol
@@namaschu9418 nice
I had just the strangest sense of deja vu this entire episode. This is my first listen through of this podcast but I could have sworn I'd heard this story before.
That's so strange, I felt the same O_O
In case anyone reads these and starts to feel spooked about "weird coincidences" - i didnt get that feeling. At all.
Sorry :
I think the reason being you pretty much knew what was going to happen in the statement and jon's realization
You did.
Unfortunately I don’t have the episode number but we’ve heard a similar story about something like this before.
It was a man instead, he was a bit weird beforehand and made the protagonist uncomfortable, and towards the end he started to act very paranoid. The protagonist notices that a creature with long arms was reaching out of the guys window and in the morning the protagonist notices that the guy isn’t quite the same, and the Not!creepy guy says something vaguely threatening to him.
Again, I don’t have all the details memorised, but this isn’t the only story like this.
@@spud2576 that should be our episode 3 "Across the street" with amy patel and Not Graham
I feel bad for jon in this episode, i mean, he found out that the sasha at thats now working at the archives is a fake, he reaslised that the real sasha could be and he cant tell anyone about it without risking gertrudes case going up in flames. All that stress is really going to damage his mental health more than it already is, i feel bad ya know :(
"i was never enough for my mother and so now i doubt myself and my achievements" lmao we call that imposter syndrome 👉👉
you’re telling me there were two imposters in this episode 👀
It feeds on fear, leaving one or two to feed itself. If no one notices at all there would be no one to fear it.
I heard that this podcast has a fear for everybody and omg this is def my episode, one of my most common nightmares are where my mom isn't my mom, like it looks like her but 100% is not her, and all I do is scream or cry because I know it wants to hurt me but I can't just run away because I have to find my real mom if she isn't already dead. Ngl this episode is freakily specific to those nightmares lolll
My mommy issues throughout this episode: strap in bae, we are in for a rollercoaster 🎢
He’s finally putting it together! Also I think he should definitely tell Martin, I feel like Martin would be the only one to understand
Now Jon finally knows 😢
Man, i can hear the fear and grief in his voice as it dies mid sentence. 💔
Here, i offer daily hugs to Jon 🫂
Hearing Jon s o so upset hurts...
Holy shit. I've been sitting here, listening to this while crocheting a reading shawl. I knew pretty early it was the Not!Them, but when the reporter mentioned the Changlings tape, and when Jon mentioned that Sasha's tapes were the only ones missing, EVERY HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STOOD ON END.
That was such a terrifying and emotional delivery holy SHIT.
Gertrude knows so much more than us and Jon, it's fascinating to listen to her
50 years is a long time to be in a post.
My theory from this episode and what we know so far:
At last, the realisation we've all been waiting for. John finally put it together in the last episode, finally the supernatural's try or, to be exact in this episode, Not!Sasha's powers of making him not notice all the weird things about her weren't stronger than his will to know, to find out the truth. And he now knows that all those feelings were right: Not!Sasha is not Sasha. I was kinda hoping that Sasha wouldn't actually be dead, but since in this case there hasn't been anyone claiming to be the mother after the father died means that either the real mother was never in the normal-dimension ever again or that she was but under a different identity (something like forgetting her past life and being given another one where someone else knows that she's not who she claims to be or having amnesia or something like that, I don't know). Gertrude's burning the tape sounds reasonable, I wouldn't want to attract that creature's attention either and if you don't know how it works then it's best not to risk it, but I don't know if her burning the tape was only just because of that reason. That and her neglect of investigating further because "it would be a waste of time" sounds to me more like she didn't want to go to the offense with that creature and only wanted to collect the info about it.
We get two names, Not!Them and the Stranger, so these are the names of two creatures who may or may not be the same entity with different manifestations. I mean, a person you know being replaced by a stranger does sound like something that an entity called Stranger would do, but many of those entities are very similar with others though they're different, so we don't know yet.
Gertrude's last remark, of it being a creature that just goes and replaces people at random for a short time each time and the damage it would do if it had a plan, makes me believe that Not!Sasha does indeed have a plan. Her long "dates" at the wax museum, her volunteering to go and check out the taxidermy shop, her staying as Not!Sasha for so long, the shreds of paper John found in her desk when he was "checking for files", her going to the tunnels again and again, it's clear that she has a plan, a plan that we don't know yet, and she's working with someone else outside the Institute. Hopefully her plan will be shown in this season's finale, I'd hate to see her being inside the Institute for another season and John having to pretend everything is okay when he sure as hell knows it's not.
Thank you for always replying to these videos. Your conclusive theories are so interesting and these are always what I'm thinking. Honestly I just love them so I just wanted to say thank you.
@@hiddenace1953 Thank you for your kind words :$ ^_^
sasha kinda sus, i saw her vent in electrical...
John: "I can vouch for Sasha, I saw her in the vents and she didn't kill me"
Everytime he realizes this means Sasha is dead the moment it sets in it always makes me wanna cry he cares so much
Oh! I thought re-listening would make it less heartbreaking! I was wrong!
I’m also here on a relisten and everyone’s comments on every ep are so good
but this has become my new favorite comment on all the eps I’ve listened to so far because same 🥲
Yeah 😢 it doesn't get easier, if anything it's worse 😭
This is so sad... The grief that it must cause to realize a loved one died months ago without you knowing...
If the original Rose Cooper studied English and Irish folklore, she probably was familiar with changelings. I imagine that whatever replaced her found it funny to turn her into one of the myths she studied.
and took a special enjoyment in making sure the one person that had just repaired their relationship knew that they were gone
dude I can't even listen through the audio recording of Gertrude telling the story because it just sends so many chills down my spine.
I just wanan cry man. I loved Sasha! How could this be done to a main character!!! ;_; I hope she's brought back somehow but its unlikely.
Oh... no. Strap in my friend. 😔
(Although this comment is a month old, so I’m sure you know by now what is to come... 😢)
Jon take some time to grieve man
*cries*
15:18 WHEN HE SAID "I FOUND THE TAPE" I THOUGHT HE FOUND LUCY'S MOTHERS TAPE I VERBALLY SIGHED LIKE GERTRUDE LEGIT WARNED U
dam, if he tries to tell anyone they might just think he's being overly paranoid again. Plus the brief silence were he's realizing sasha is probably dead. Up untill now i'v kinda been holding out hope that there's some way to bring her back, but his reaction makes it feel more like she's gone for good now.
Oh man, I know this one is gonna be good
"I can't tell the others"
Well, we all know how bad you are at lying so it won't be long until they figure out you know something anyway.
i love gertrude so much..................
Gertrude is so cool
"What confuses me is why one or two people can always see through it?"
Me: "Well, we need something for the episode don't we?"
OMgg this one hit me hard,, i love my mom so much so just thinking about this gives me Chills ;--; ,, also props to jonathan who probably is going to do a big dumb thing again for his trust issues :))) totally cool :)) also The Stranger (with block mayus) aparently the Not!Them is an "aspect" of it, so we can only asume the creatures we have seen before likely are an "aspect" of one other big thing behind them!!!!!! cant wait to find out where this leads T--T
This episode gave me literal chills
These ones, the spooky rather than the violent or disgusting, these ones are my favorite.
I was so afraid of how John would react and I was right to be
Jeez, this one really scared the crap out of me. I couldn't bear the thought of my mother dying and a Not!Them replacing her and my father ignorant about the woman he was kissing.
The pain in Jon's voice is sad, he had the realization his friend, Sasha, is dead. :(
I've been recording stories from my grandpa, got me right on the mood for this ep again
Poor Jon. This revelation is really hurting him.
I think it's fascinating that it was the Melony and Daisy (not Basira) that recognized NotSasha. Daisy only in passing but Melony was enough to make it click
Poor Jon. The realisation that Sasha is likely dead… the voice acting broke my heart. Poor, poor Jon.
I knew it, that’s why all of the tapes with Sasha voices disappeared - they’re the only thing that don’t get overwritten
HO. LY. SHIIITTT. THE PLOT IS GETTING SO THICK I LOVE IT!!
I’m afraid for Jon :(
gertrude is so sessiiiiii
Oh, thank god... Jon didn't go on to an entirely unrelated case. Good. Sad, since he's likely about to realize that Sasha's been gone for a while, but good.
Edit: OH SNAP! I think this was the first mention of a name for one of the... source things for each fear source! And, sure enough, Jon's about to break down... Poor guy. He's not the emotionally stunted person that the rest of the cast seem to think he is....
Mary Keay outright mentions The End though. and Trevor directly alludes to The Hunt
@@mimkyodar I must have left off for a night between Mary's and this one the first time through.
When did Trevor mention the Hunt, directly? I don't remember a proper name drop for it.
There was also when Mike Crew used Ex Altiora and invoked The Vast!
Back in the hospital episode, ep 12, Gerard namedropped the Beholding and the Desolation, I think that was the absolute earliest?
hey outro jon is back
HOLY FUCK
Tho thinking about how this is going to mess up Jon even more is slightly terrifying ;_; someone helps my boy please
this episode is amazing! but im VERY curious about the "aspect of the stranger" thing... i have some theories that i think are turning out to be correct
no matter how many relistens i do, how long ive been a fan, how much a mess jon is being, it always filles me with SO much joy and pride when he puts everything together and figures out a mystery. hell yeah youre doing great
ok so I it threw me off when I heard Jon's voice at the credits and not Alexander's
on a relisten rn and this episode is so good
Fun episode to have your mother narrate!
this is the first ep in a while to have jon narrating the end(outro or whatever thats called)
I don't usually make comments. But I have no one to speculate with about this, so please humor me. But I believe that the reason for some people remembering and others not is that while it has to blend in, the fear has to come from somewhere. What would be scary or amiss if it simply changed everything?
That’s a really good theory! I also saw someone say that it only impacts those who know them really well, but I don’t know if that tracks given the neighbors’ altered recollections. This theory that you have makes a lot of sense, especially since the not!them seem to take joy in the terror they cause those that know
We got a name for it!
George Cooper is also the name of Sheldon Coopers father and I pictured his face all the time they talked about the father lmao
Also poor Jon :c
I love this podcast so much and I'm glad they're finally catching on about Not!Sasha
I don't know what to even say except "Aw Jon :("