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  • Settlers of the Slab City community live with no power or running water. It's a cheap life for those trying to get back on their feet, but it can be dangerous
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Комментарии • 315

  • @zicky4896
    @zicky4896 4 года назад +29

    Hippie: we don’t own guns
    Fire chief: I’ve been shot at multiple times

    • @AStanton1966
      @AStanton1966 3 года назад +2

      And to think that Joseph Wabaugh said everyone loves a fireman.

  • @drc1883
    @drc1883 5 лет назад +4

    I like the dude who said their health is better there. The guy with the smokers voice and a cigarette in his hand.

  • @doire7
    @doire7 12 лет назад +73

    So they get a welfare check once a month. Why does that bother you? I'd be more worried about the endless wars, no bid contracts and banker bailouts. For all you know, these people could have paid into the system for years and are now finally getting something back. Some of them could have their own pensions(i.e military) and yes some of them could have been free loaders their whole lives. Anything is possible. It amazes me you people don't complain about the money spent on empire building.

    • @gsp49
      @gsp49 4 года назад +6

      Welfare checks they can spend for themselves, no rent, landlord, or house payments, no utility bills. Off grid, name of the game.

    • @thatdude3977
      @thatdude3977 2 года назад

      I think all whotes should relocate back to europe tbh. Take your trash with ya

  • @ADAMLFC92
    @ADAMLFC92 5 лет назад +22

    Been there. Lasted around a month in 2017. Absolutely awful place. People praising and wanting to go to this place in the comments have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Riddled with drugs, rapes, arsons, even one or two murders. DO NOT GO HERE.

    • @outbackeddie
      @outbackeddie 5 лет назад +9

      Wow - sounds almost as bad as Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles, or just about any other big city.

    • @az_exit1279
      @az_exit1279 4 года назад +3

      Cool place to visit; the 'Range' entertainment stage, the hot springs, Salvation Mountain...but I wouldn't want to live there.

  • @avalon1rae
    @avalon1rae 4 года назад +2

    Better than a regular city.Gavins Newsome is so proud of his homeless.

  • @MisterMikeTexas
    @MisterMikeTexas 5 лет назад +6

    It's never smart to fool around with meth. But out in 120 plus degree weather? That's totally insane! You need to stay hydrated, lots of water, and not baked out of your mind on meth or other dope!

  • @macclark4112
    @macclark4112 5 лет назад +20

    I can tell Slab City will be the norm in times to come. Glad I setup my home in the Mountains of Montana 43 years ago.

    • @jimdoozy
      @jimdoozy 5 лет назад +4

      In can never become the norm. My great grandparents never had electricity or running water, had a garden, raised their own livestock... Get real.
      People lived no different than this 150 years ago, only they could buy their drugs at the local apothecary. Heroin, cocaine, alcohol and opium were available without a prescription until 1914 and weed was legal until 1937.

    • @eldinringofmisery8529
      @eldinringofmisery8529 4 года назад +3

      43 years ago? What are you worried about sounds like you don't have much time left any way.

  • @TheTexn
    @TheTexn 11 лет назад +14

    It is interesting to me that so many people choose to congregate rather than get away and live as a recluse. If you are truly tired of the city life why retreat to another where the conditions are harsh and forbidding. Why not be free and live out where you are truly free and have no obligations to be social. I suspect that many people want to live free of work and responsibility but not free of all of the benefits and conveniences that work and responsibility provide.

    • @ihategoogle5365
      @ihategoogle5365 6 лет назад +4

      TheTexn it was too crowded for me. But ive visited 3 times. Always had a great day looking at the art hiking around but im glad i dont live there. Its very windy and far away from conveniences like laundry, hardware store and if you get stuck in the sand it will cost $500 to get a tow truck out there.

    • @outbackeddie
      @outbackeddie 5 лет назад +3

      Humans are social creatures. Most people like having other people around to interact with. Who in their right mind wants to live like a hermit in the desert?

    • @jeanellem5047
      @jeanellem5047 5 месяцев назад

      My father was the self proclaimed prophet in the 80's. It's literally hell on earth. Horrifying things happen to children out there. Most children are robbed of education and groomed to be prostitutes! I got out at 10 years old and couldn't even read. It's a pedophiles dream.

  • @PabloAlonzo48
    @PabloAlonzo48 11 лет назад +31

    Yet If i buy 40 acers i cant build a dry Cabin with out permits or a septic in north cal wtf smh

    • @terryturner3050
      @terryturner3050 4 года назад +7

      The socialist state has an agenda, private property stands in their way. They fear capitalism.

    • @DUDEINBLACK111
      @DUDEINBLACK111 4 года назад +1

      Sure you can just don't let the state find out

  • @icedcoffee6461
    @icedcoffee6461 4 года назад +3

    This place looks awesome .

  • @itsalro6877
    @itsalro6877 4 года назад +3

    just visited. many kind souls are there

  • @tinadailey1297
    @tinadailey1297 4 года назад +5

    Omg I would be terrified being in a place like this..it's no place I would want to spend 5 minutes,i saw on another video about this place , if someone gets a grudge against you they burn ur motor home an set it on fire!!

    • @Tipperary757
      @Tipperary757 Год назад

      That was the home of a pedophile.

  • @rancedodd6463
    @rancedodd6463 4 года назад +5

    I would not feel safe leaving my home to make a run to town for fear all my stuff would be gone when I returned . No one is more dishonest than a dope addicts .

    • @jaya.0069
      @jaya.0069 4 года назад +4

      Yeah, that place is a mess! Slob City!

  • @andyissemicool
    @andyissemicool 11 лет назад +8

    There is a guy who rents large (i think 100 gallon) water tanks that he will fill up for 15-20 dollars for you. That plus solar power means you can have a pretty comfortable life there. More wealthy folks with large RVs even have satellite dishes, it's pretty common to see a couple sitting on a couch in their RV watching CNN at night. Kinda funny actually.

    • @karimoon5323
      @karimoon5323 6 лет назад +2

      Tron's Travels Yeah and they also get robbed...sounds lk heaven....Theres a video on here a guy took on his last day (he d been there 30 days and had enough )...His neighbors had their solar panels stolen during the night, well hell who else is up during the night by the meth heads,...After calling the police he noticed just how clever they are...All the guy and cops had to do is follow the idiots FOOTPRINTS👣👣👣 back to their ole broken down rusty R.V. LMAO..Easily BUSTED

    • @RealRocdad
      @RealRocdad 6 лет назад +2

      Happens in Beverly Hills also...

  • @davidharrick469
    @davidharrick469 2 года назад +3

    I personally don't find living like this very attractive, but I'm glad there is a place that people can go and choose to live as they wish. From the video's I've watched there seems to be a change in the type of person that calls Slab City home, it seemed that the carefree hippy and art driven folks that once dominated the city has been changing. I find that more and more of the videos are talking about the meth heads who are moving in and changing the trust and community feeling that once bonded these folks. I wish you all well and hope that influx of the meth heads don't destroy what you have created.

  • @caydelay
    @caydelay 12 лет назад +20

    Just let them live, they're just minding their own business really

  • @richardmoore195
    @richardmoore195 11 лет назад +14

    those kids were living in a tent in 2011 & I gave them the motor home .The State comes out there and takes the children that are neglected, most of the people just want to survive, but there are some areas you stay away from just like any City. I lived there for almost two years, very hard.

  • @andyissemicool
    @andyissemicool 11 лет назад +10

    It may interest you to know that a large percentage of people that live there are retirees with a large net worth. This is a multifaceted area and a 5 minute video can't begin to describe the amount and kind of people that are there.

  • @joelweidenfeld471
    @joelweidenfeld471 6 лет назад +20

    This place never really claimed to be off the grid living..its more of a tent city

  • @snatchedbatch4311
    @snatchedbatch4311 5 лет назад +5

    Im glad this is showing the real slab city. I personally think its a beautiful thing. Weve all gotten so accustomed to the follow the leader mentality thats the norm. So we see this as abnormal, or gross. Well i say more power to them. They're not using enough to truly hurt anyone, or to take from the working man. If u know anyone from there, youll know whats up. Its not what u think. I think it takes a strong person. So whatev. Sending love from my working family. 💜

    • @jeanellem5047
      @jeanellem5047 5 месяцев назад

      My father was the self proclaimed prophet in the 80's. It's literally hell on earth. Horrifying things happen to children out there. Most children are robbed of education and groomed to be prostitutes! I got out at 10 years old and couldn't even read. It's a pedophiles dream.

  • @logruszed
    @logruszed 4 года назад +1

    So crazy to look at the Slab and see it becoming gentrified with nice RV's, etc.

  • @PRTEVYBMW
    @PRTEVYBMW 10 лет назад +6

    WOW,that was eye opening!
    Many thanks, and may GOD bless them all:)
    Cheers;)

  • @mattjwatson5089
    @mattjwatson5089 5 лет назад +3

    Looks like a hot horrible dirty nightmare.

  • @varietyjones2344
    @varietyjones2344 5 лет назад +5

    I wonder if Slab City will see more "drifters" since all the California fires. If so, it will be interesting to know how they adapt.

    • @spankthemonkey3437
      @spankthemonkey3437 4 года назад +2

      Kimberly Mack the people who had house in fire will not end up here but in an RV park somewhere

  • @CallmeRogerRoger
    @CallmeRogerRoger 5 лет назад +3

    I wonder how many of these "free" people are living off of taxpayer money. At the very least, they're on government land. They aren't self reliant.

    • @bobmarshall3700
      @bobmarshall3700 5 лет назад +4

      Government land is public land... It belongs to all citizens.

  • @carstellamoore8863
    @carstellamoore8863 5 лет назад +3

    Excellent work 👍 Guys stay free

  • @jacknewport2560
    @jacknewport2560 11 лет назад +6

    Moving to Slab City

  • @elvisking1215
    @elvisking1215 5 лет назад +3

    But still, where do they get water?

  • @normbograham
    @normbograham 5 лет назад +2

    I was going to buy property, but there were homeless people living on it. Thus, I walked away, not wanting the drama. And that was in the North East.

  • @richardmoore195
    @richardmoore195 11 лет назад +5

    That's a sulfur hot springs. I don't think you can drink it. most people have Charlie deliver water or haul their own from the gas station in town.

    • @RealRocdad
      @RealRocdad 6 лет назад +3

      Charlie filled my TT with a tank in bed up in the lows for $10 twice...that's 80 gals..

  • @alohamario3739
    @alohamario3739 5 лет назад +1

    So how does one deal with a stink or bite from a deadly viper or scorpion? Where do you go for help or how do you get the help to save your life and the excuciating pain?

  • @globe255
    @globe255 8 лет назад +10

    I think there are many good people there in Slab city, it's just a feeling.

  • @bolt1videos
    @bolt1videos 10 лет назад +35

    There should be more places like Slab City.

    • @brandell4638
      @brandell4638 7 лет назад +15

      There ARE many places like this! Move to one.
      They are called 'third world countries'

    • @Anthony-zc2lm
      @Anthony-zc2lm 6 лет назад +4

      Their will be if we don’t build the wall

    • @deepwater2652
      @deepwater2652 5 лет назад +5

      San Francisco?

    • @ijustdoyoutube3556
      @ijustdoyoutube3556 5 лет назад +2

      Deep Water it’s closer to San Diego

    • @terryturner3050
      @terryturner3050 5 лет назад +1

      @Cliff Yablonski quartzite the heat retreat for the old folks in the North it's not a lowlife town.

  • @hellaBayAr3a
    @hellaBayAr3a 12 лет назад +1

    Insightful. Hoping all the best to the families looking to get back on their feet :)

  • @NYUTisch
    @NYUTisch 2 года назад

    Very well filmed, curated, and presented.

  • @bulklogan539
    @bulklogan539 5 лет назад +2

    7 of 8 kids. That is the problem.

  • @GREENLALI
    @GREENLALI 6 лет назад +5

    This is where they can build a homeless shelter , rehab center and mental illness institutions.

  • @peggyrobertson5132
    @peggyrobertson5132 5 лет назад +8

    Not a place 4 women & children the gates of hell

  • @theopinion9452
    @theopinion9452 5 лет назад +1

    I can almost hear that Tina Turner song;'We don't need another hero'.

  • @buckybarnes1544
    @buckybarnes1544 4 года назад +1

    The fire marshal looks like Skinner from X-Files... brothers?

  • @johng4250
    @johng4250 6 лет назад +7

    Water and waste, the two damn near insurmountable problems.

  • @woody5551
    @woody5551 8 лет назад +26

    All of these videos about Slab City are interesting.
    One thing that is almost never mentioned is how Slab City manages human waste. Each video reminds there is no running water, but there is no mention of sewage treatment or handling of human waste. There seems to be a lot of people out there and one would think they'd need to take precautions about maintaining sanitary conditions.

    • @donnatinus9658
      @donnatinus9658 8 лет назад +8

      +Wood ward They compost waste in East Jesus. The motorhomes use their own facilities, then dump it ... somewhere where they find a dumping area in another town. Some people dig holes or use "honey pots" and dump the pots into holes.

    • @linsioux217
      @linsioux217 8 лет назад +5

      +Johnniee Larue They do as they please. I'm sure some are trying to be sanitary, but there are no rules.. think about it. I live near there, and it is known to be a dangerous place. Plus it's in the desert. Why it's free, nobody else wants to live there.
      With the advent of the internet it's becoming glorified.

    • @michaelanderson8514
      @michaelanderson8514 7 лет назад +1

      where do you think baby poop has gone forever and a day

    • @allisonjayetv3297
      @allisonjayetv3297 6 лет назад +1

      So gross

    • @charleshoang6481
      @charleshoang6481 6 лет назад +1

      They built outhouse like in Alaska!

  • @dekcgi7891
    @dekcgi7891 5 лет назад +1

    .....Like your smile..... Love your style.....!!

  • @hmbl-cb1be
    @hmbl-cb1be 5 лет назад +1

    Cricket bread, nope! Those are bugs and bugs have - well - germs, sorry. Love the garden area.

  • @kristiebutler5547
    @kristiebutler5547 6 лет назад +15

    my father past january 2 2013 i saw this video relized my father is in it

    • @snatchedbatch4311
      @snatchedbatch4311 5 лет назад +2

      Wow really, thst mustve been crazy for you. Im sure nice to have this as a memorabilia. Xo

    • @hairloss1899
      @hairloss1899 5 лет назад

      👍👍🙃🙃🙃🙃

    • @biancab310
      @biancab310 3 года назад

      Wow that’s crazy

  • @JungleListSoldier
    @JungleListSoldier 11 лет назад +3

    I am thinking of buying an old travel trailer and moving there. Only problems I see is how would I fill up the freshwater tank? And how to pump out the grey and blackwater tanks? If anyone could advise it would be great thanks.

    • @kinniwright1642
      @kinniwright1642 5 лет назад

      Now access to water is easy. A tank comes around selling it and solar panels and batteries used for electric. They make their own outhouses and even some have showers. It is quite modernized now.

  • @russbroda2535
    @russbroda2535 4 года назад +2

    Good luck to the kids ...

  • @JungleListSoldier
    @JungleListSoldier 11 лет назад +2

    Thanks!

  • @johnmiller5678
    @johnmiller5678 3 года назад +1

    Very well done

  • @gregoryjohnson6368
    @gregoryjohnson6368 8 лет назад +5

    Did the families manage to leave Slab City? ⛄️

  • @velveetaslingshot
    @velveetaslingshot 12 лет назад +21

    I would love to live off the grid, but not with a bunch of drug addicts and free loaders.

    • @txbx5708
      @txbx5708 6 лет назад +5

      Or retired school teachers, full-time travelers, and people who just want to see more and have more experiences? You create your own experience when you are there, and my experience has been that you are as cautious and careful as you would be in anyone else's back yard. I''ve also always found any kind of help and kindness among the people there in times of distress. You 'get back' what you invest in most situtations, whether in the slums of Chicago, the ghettos of huge cities, or when you try to participate in Mardi Gras, which has caught many people unaware. I've lived off the grid there, and in many other places. People are all different. Just be careful wherever you may roam, especially on the main streets of festival cities! I hope you get a great opportunity to have an "off the grid experience" in your travels, too.

    • @fozzybear8878
      @fozzybear8878 4 года назад

      They wouldn't want to live with you either, so you lose there. IT is judgements like yours that keep people down. Fuckhead.

  • @JungleListSoldier
    @JungleListSoldier 11 лет назад +1

    4:49 Great idea!

  • @deepwater2652
    @deepwater2652 5 лет назад +3

    Hard times...

  • @tamaraweber3296
    @tamaraweber3296 5 лет назад +3

    I read a article a few weeks ago that Slab City is being tore down and evacuated. Any truth to this?

  • @samgage2294
    @samgage2294 3 года назад +1

    no electricity? was like 1000 watts of solar on top

  • @outbackeddie
    @outbackeddie 5 лет назад +7

    I think Tiger Woods and Arnold Palmer helped design that golf course.

  • @obeythelaw5504
    @obeythelaw5504 6 лет назад +2

    4:11 Yeah. I don't think so. Could be why you are living in a VAN DOWN BY NO RIVER!!!

  • @graceonline320
    @graceonline320 4 года назад +1

    Do the police come out if you are in trouble? That could be a very dangerous place to live in.

  • @markbrown5117
    @markbrown5117 5 лет назад +2

    Eight kids Yikes God Bless.

  • @shootacopintheface
    @shootacopintheface 11 лет назад +2

    I'm in Santa Monica and if anyone is headed that way let me know.

  • @ScottAReid
    @ScottAReid 10 лет назад +34

    keep up it guys. anything to escape the rat race and working for "the man." peace

  • @MontDawg
    @MontDawg 5 лет назад +2

    3:51 Vince Neil in 10 years!

  • @markbrown5117
    @markbrown5117 5 лет назад

    THe guy with the cross is way too cool.

  • @marcofierro7687
    @marcofierro7687 11 лет назад +8

    i went there on a field operation for the military man these guys are crazy as mofos

    • @markflierl1624
      @markflierl1624 6 лет назад +5

      You should explain. Why is the military doing field operations out there?

    • @lilomanaolana3749
      @lilomanaolana3749 5 лет назад +4

      @@markflierl1624 it is technically federal property if I remember correctly it was some sort of military post decades ago

  • @grizztough4091
    @grizztough4091 5 лет назад +2

    a true result of the mecca of liberaism

  • @thomasbustelo3765
    @thomasbustelo3765 5 лет назад +7

    Desperate times bring desperate measures.

  • @toddwilliams3194
    @toddwilliams3194 7 лет назад +2

    is there update on this family

  • @jamesadams3458
    @jamesadams3458 5 лет назад +1

    In this Video Vince Neill said he was there when he was a boy , Not true ,He had never heard of slab city until I Told him about it in 2011 , When he was there he kept getting into other peoples business till several guys told him he had 48 hours to leave the slabs or he would be killed, he headed for LA

  • @jorgemurillo1366
    @jorgemurillo1366 5 лет назад +7

    I love the people I hope and pray for them to get back on their feet

  • @srok62
    @srok62 10 лет назад +75

    Wonderful place although the meth heads are screwin it up.
    -The last free place on earth

    • @srok62
      @srok62 10 лет назад +7

      Last I checked the government hasn't given me or anybody I met at the slabs 1 cent!

    • @Xplorer228
      @Xplorer228 10 лет назад +10

      ***** And what government aid is that exactly? There's not even running water there you idiot.

    • @srok62
      @srok62 10 лет назад +14

      No welfare & food stamps either since no one has a physical address.
      Don't judge unless you've been there.

    • @kinniwright1642
      @kinniwright1642 5 лет назад +6

      @@Xplorer228 yes they do get government checks that are picked up at Niland Post office.

    • @jeffthompson303
      @jeffthompson303 5 лет назад +5

      meth heads screw everything up.

  • @elliottlacasse5499
    @elliottlacasse5499 5 лет назад

    2-3k per month, it's a bit more than that in Seattle...

  • @jonog5632
    @jonog5632 5 лет назад +1

    Should make that slab city a little nicer. Get rid of rubbish all those old TVs etc

  • @7betJesus
    @7betJesus Год назад +1

    7 of our 8 kids ended up out here

  • @michael98478
    @michael98478 2 года назад +1

    This is beautiful the world needs more freedom and love this is one of the last places on Earth because people are crazy in this world and there's too many laws and there's good things about them and there's also bad things about anything can be good it's just all about how you feel like for instance are you okay with being with one woman or many Slab City is the place to go nice and healthy and beautiful it's all just freedom love baby just love

  • @amcanmike
    @amcanmike 11 лет назад +2

    I wanna go to the slab

  • @pathacker4963
    @pathacker4963 6 лет назад +5

    Home of the misfit "toys". Actually seems like a reasonable solution. No one else wants them.

  • @427bullis
    @427bullis 3 года назад +1

    How do they get money

  • @shadedmuse
    @shadedmuse 10 лет назад +2

    Do you know Jay hames I think he lives down their along salton sea

  • @TonysLawnCare215
    @TonysLawnCare215 4 года назад +1

    If i had money to buy a camper I would love to move there

  • @LoveRackett
    @LoveRackett 3 года назад +1

    Hey buddy how you doing I'm still playing the guitar

  • @4christiankyle
    @4christiankyle 11 лет назад +3

    I would love to live there! Seriously, I bet it's alot of fun.

    • @Tipperary757
      @Tipperary757 Год назад

      Crystal Meth don't play around - makes for bad neighbors.

  • @auggy53
    @auggy53 4 года назад +1

    so what about joe's debt did he pay it off where does joe get an income now ? did joe leave it for others to clean up ?

  • @ladycharsw
    @ladycharsw 5 лет назад +1

    What to people do for toilets if they do not have one in their trailer or house?. What do they do for light? I think they should have electricity.

    • @jonsmith2217
      @jonsmith2217 5 лет назад +1

      Some have flashlights, solar, a few have generators. They say for their poop they dig a hole and I think there's another place they take it to for the people that don't want to dig a hole.

  • @AppJunkey
    @AppJunkey 5 лет назад +1

    So any color or race is ok there? Or only white? And a few exceptions ?

  • @indiandaeng
    @indiandaeng Год назад

    Squatter city. No work, no water no toilets. Skid row.

  • @Batya-Grace
    @Batya-Grace 6 лет назад +3

    At this point, it's mostly drug addicts and criminals, but I like this video! It shows that there are many normal people who are just down on their luck.

    • @jimdoozy
      @jimdoozy 5 лет назад +1

      Some people just vacation in the winter there, they aren't homeless, they just don't like cold winters.

  • @alicehallam7949
    @alicehallam7949 4 года назад

    ATTENTION: ALL YOU DRAMA LOVERS AND SLAB HATERS.
    YOU DID NOT HEAR THE WORD APOCAYLPTIC EVEN ONCE IN THIS VIDEO, DID YOU?.
    These are people who did not fit in or who had to leave conventional society because they were taken advantage of, or ignored, when they needed help. So they are taking care of themselves. Stop complaining about them they're NOT BOTHERING YOU.

  • @clippers4me
    @clippers4me 5 лет назад +3

    I'm sure Starbucks will open one there.

  • @The_Ballo
    @The_Ballo 11 лет назад +3

    Hear hear!

  • @marvinmarsh7625
    @marvinmarsh7625 5 лет назад +1

    Remember what goes around comes around I have no remorse for these people at all they should have planned it future a little better

  • @Ballinlolz
    @Ballinlolz 12 лет назад +3

    Thats probably the worst place to do something like this... No water supply plus a dry climate?
    If they went to an area where you could actually grow plants and not just have monocultures in bathtubs, thatd work good.

    • @Cowcharge
      @Cowcharge 6 лет назад +1

      It's about the only place one is ALLOWED to do this. Don't see much abandoned land in Iowa, you know.

  • @ihategoogle5365
    @ihategoogle5365 6 лет назад +5

    I went out there. Quite rude people. If you want solitude do not move there. Its gawlking tourist trap and its growing.

  • @masterjohn5458
    @masterjohn5458 6 лет назад +1

    I pray to people slabcity get better life later..

  • @desertdispatch
    @desertdispatch 11 лет назад +2

    seems like great people to me..

  • @filibertobarrera3839
    @filibertobarrera3839 5 лет назад +11

    Mostly criminals running from the law stay there.Very few good people live there.

  • @craigsimpson1743
    @craigsimpson1743 5 лет назад +1

    How do you get money

  • @mike.p.1400
    @mike.p.1400 5 лет назад +1

    These people that have a little bit. How do they handle the bums and beggars.

  • @VTBC
    @VTBC 2 года назад +1

    New Name for the Washington Red skinz

  • @m.thomas8819
    @m.thomas8819 4 года назад +2

    So many excuses for not living a successful life.

  • @Apollyon-sz9sn
    @Apollyon-sz9sn 5 лет назад +4

    Keeping kids there is child abuse to me.