Having also had the same issue with mine, I emailed Hornby who suggested to lubricant the wheels. Glad to see it has worked on yours, I’ll probably also add the extra weight like you have as well as I feel the rear bogie on the driving car needs a bit more weight over it. I’ll be testing mine in a few days. I feel it’s very poor of Hornby not to have checked this.
I'm amazed they didn't lubricate the coaches- most Hornby stuff arrives lathered in lubricant and caked in grease. On another note, the wheels on my Hornby class 800 IET power car got dirty. I made the mistake of taking the bogie frames off to clean them. Turns out, the pickups are fixed to the bogie frame, and these are connected to the wires that take the power to the circuit board. This turned what should have been a 5min job into an hour of swearing and fiddling around. Still- at least the solder on the wires didn't break. That said, I know Hornby gets a lot of stick, but the IET is an amazing model. The only let down is the plastic pantograph.
These can be a bit of a pain to fix sometimes when doing repairs like you described. I’ve had to replace the entire bogie on one of mine in the past which I did I video on. Was easier than expected but still not great. The model itself is good I agree but definitely has room for improvement.
Nice pack although I have recently moved over to O Gauge this month and I am moving away from OO and HO gauge as I am fed up with pool quality and the hatred/infighting with some parts of the model railway community. I will get one from Heljan if they do an O gauge model of this when I get Coconut Road built.
I had the Azuma set, and I had to send it back, as it was derailing all the time, watching your video the coach drag could of been what was wrong with it
The derailing problem was a separate issue that some of the earlier releases had I believe. Think it was down to the couplings not moving correctly. It’s not something I’ve ever suffered from but have seen others having to deal with it.
The basic problem with the IET is that the powered car is in the wrong place. Logic says that if its 5/9 cars the powered car goes in the centre coach so that its pulling / pushing the same amount of load. Bachmann with its voyagers / desiro & 3 ar 158/166./170. The lack of traction tyres is another issue. Conteneental HO models cost far more than 00, yet their models come with traction tyres usualy 1 on a wheel of each bogie & it makes for better / smoother running models. But Roco / Marklin have their models made in factories they own on in mainland europe, Hornby are basically a R&D unit, the models are made by 3 rd party companies in China in various factories, Hornby having very little control, the models arrive at the docks, taken to Margate to the warehouse , & then sent out. How heavy are the coaches? Problem with so much of todays new models is that the carrriages / wagons are far to heavy, the cheap die cast metal chassis that the powered cars are made of is cheap grade metal thats not dense enough, then theres the poor quality metal used for the wheels. Theres a reason Chinese metal / steel is cheap. Oiling the wheels is not the answer, the oil drips onto your track , couple that with dust & that causes the build up of dirt on the rails. Then theres the issue of how plastic reacts with the oil & can corrode it over the years. the best thing to look at is if the bogies axle boxes can be fitted with brass top hat bearings , but then you find with the cheap grade metal axles the pin point end starts to wear away because the brass is a harder metal than the steel that the wheels are made of. What you've got there is garden shed engineering, common problem with 00 of nice looking gear that lacks the real attention to detail of how it all works / functions because the specifiers are bedazzled by the fine details / tech the 3rd party vendors can offer. That said take a look at Mehanos hi speed train models of the ICE3 / TGV duplex , cheaper models but far better thought out , the TGV power car has the can motor located in the well between the bogies so it lowers the centre of gravity, drive shafts nyon straight into the bogies & no big clumsy gearboxes , the power weighs next to the nothing yet easily shifts 8 coaches & a light as feather rear dummy power car. It does make you wonder who Hornby employ when designing models & wether they every buy other companies models & see how they do things.
I made an update video on the model in which I explained the issue with the model and it was very much a simple one. Lack of lubrication on the coach axles causing too much drag.
Maybe Hornby should have looked back at the original 1980s APT for insperation (I have one still works well). The power car is in the middle with traction tyres. If it aint broke.........
Well done for getting it to a state of being useable, but will still give it a miss, we need accurascale or dapol to start making a lot more modern stuff, leave the old steam stuff and class 47's etc to hornby and bachmann, and get on with making good quality stuff that is upto date and reasonably priced too, there is so much to choose from and yet nobody is doing it.
Fair point my friend. There is a massive gap in the modern traction market especially where multiple units are concerned. Hopefully we will see some of those gaps filled soon.
No they don’t. Not really sure how to describe the axle/bearing set up on these big essentially the axles themselves sit directly on the bogie chassis.
They were a limited edition run exclusive to kernow model rail centre several years ago now. Unfortunately if you want any they are very rare and when they do come up online somewhere, people will be charging top dollar.
Good update on your class 802, I’m sure those whom love a Hornby and believe they can do no wrong this is a classic example of where they are, they clearly don’t have a QA department over in China or over here, they do have a tendency of abandoning customers once they get their money, no oil and the wrong oil in models is standard with them, you shouldn’t have to do the investigation especially when you’ve spent to money you did on it in the first place, if Accurascale produced this model then those issues wouldn’t be loaded on the customer because they wouldn’t be there in my opinion, I guess it’s your choice to spend that kind of money on products that aren’t fit for purpose, their products are underdeveloped because they cut too many corners so their profit margins are maintained, modellers will totally lose faith in Hornby if they don’t wake up and stop doing things like this, thanks for sharing.
Not defending Hornby but AS are not perfect, take your rose tinted glasses off, bar the 37 (which has had its fair share of motor and bogie issues) all my AS products have had something wrong with them.
I agree. As good as accurascale are they still aren’t perfect. I’ve had no issues with the few locos of theirs I currently have but I have seen many cases of people having major problems with their products. No one is perfect at the end of the day.
Hornby do need to up their game. They do produce some excellent models however, they also produce some right tat. Purchasing this model was always a no brainer for me as it’s perfect for my era and region but I obviously shouldn’t have needed to do the work I did.
Would you kindly send me the hobby shop you deal with that sells Hornby no one is selling it in Canada and I'd like to order Hornby trains. An address and phone number or email would be lovely to have. Thank you
I purchased this from Hornby directly but if you’re interested in a shop to purchase from I’d recommend checking out Rails of Sheffield. www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjL0eTTttaGAxXZiVAGHQX6CYAYABAAGgJkZw&ae=2&gclid=CjwKCAjwjqWzBhAqEiwAQmtgT92hiQtpysA_7QfixJdrvtc8QX_UYoUqmv94buh2Qi6P_lXkPgqUVhoCwbwQAvD_BwE&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESV-D2BFPmHk8kdkK6WLxxw0mhZ6XP-fxg9jUXLLgr8QtYR8j13XDqxkIJRauFGjzf3ljxss58YGc_IBXc8WQ__iuJoiBdg9tcV0VkrlXtzJS7HLEC3w3VUA&sig=AOD64_07kP9RUmkBpcUU-s8gkqJcTiY-JQ&q&adurl&ved=2ahUKEwjOp97TttaGAxX5UkEAHQnDCLwQ0Qx6BAgNEAE
Glad it was an easy fix! A Hornby immersion experience. I’ve been working on the railroad 😂🎉
Glad to finally have the thing running. Hopefully my next purchase from them will mean I don’t have to work on it lol.
Looks nice ! Hopefully it doesn’t burn the motor out pulling all that lot .. thanks for update and review 👍 glad its now working
The motors in these are very good and powerful so doubt I’ll see any problems.
Having also had the same issue with mine, I emailed Hornby who suggested to lubricant the wheels. Glad to see it has worked on yours, I’ll probably also add the extra weight like you have as well as I feel the rear bogie on the driving car needs a bit more weight over it. I’ll be testing mine in a few days. I feel it’s very poor of Hornby not to have checked this.
Best of luck with yours mate. Shame on Hornby indeed.
I'm amazed they didn't lubricate the coaches- most Hornby stuff arrives lathered in lubricant and caked in grease. On another note, the wheels on my Hornby class 800 IET power car got dirty. I made the mistake of taking the bogie frames off to clean them. Turns out, the pickups are fixed to the bogie frame, and these are connected to the wires that take the power to the circuit board. This turned what should have been a 5min job into an hour of swearing and fiddling around. Still- at least the solder on the wires didn't break. That said, I know Hornby gets a lot of stick, but the IET is an amazing model. The only let down is the plastic pantograph.
These can be a bit of a pain to fix sometimes when doing repairs like you described. I’ve had to replace the entire bogie on one of mine in the past which I did I video on. Was easier than expected but still not great. The model itself is good I agree but definitely has room for improvement.
Nice pack although I have recently moved over to O Gauge this month and I am moving away from OO and HO gauge as I am fed up with pool quality and the hatred/infighting with some parts of the model railway community. I will get one from Heljan if they do an O gauge model of this when I get Coconut Road built.
An O gauge model of these would certainly be cool and fair enough on your decision to change scale. Best of luck with your layout.
I had the Azuma set, and I had to send it back, as it was derailing all the time, watching your video the coach drag could of been what was wrong with it
The derailing problem was a separate issue that some of the earlier releases had I believe. Think it was down to the couplings not moving correctly. It’s not something I’ve ever suffered from but have seen others having to deal with it.
The basic problem with the IET is that the powered car is in the wrong place. Logic says that if its 5/9 cars the powered car goes in the centre coach so that its pulling / pushing the same amount of load. Bachmann with its voyagers / desiro & 3 ar 158/166./170. The lack of traction tyres is another issue. Conteneental HO models cost far more than 00, yet their models come with traction tyres usualy 1 on a wheel of each bogie & it makes for better / smoother running models. But Roco / Marklin have their models made in factories they own on in mainland europe, Hornby are basically a R&D unit, the models are made by 3 rd party companies in China in various factories, Hornby having very little control, the models arrive at the docks, taken to Margate to the warehouse , & then sent out.
How heavy are the coaches? Problem with so much of todays new models is that the carrriages / wagons are far to heavy, the cheap die cast metal chassis that the powered cars are made of is cheap grade metal thats not dense enough, then theres the poor quality metal used for the wheels. Theres a reason Chinese metal / steel is cheap. Oiling the wheels is not the answer, the oil drips onto your track , couple that with dust & that causes the build up of dirt on the rails. Then theres the issue of how plastic reacts with the oil & can corrode it over the years. the best thing to look at is if the bogies axle boxes can be fitted with brass top hat bearings , but then you find with the cheap grade metal axles the pin point end starts to wear away because the brass is a harder metal than the steel that the wheels are made of. What you've got there is garden shed engineering, common problem with 00 of nice looking gear that lacks the real attention to detail of how it all works / functions because the specifiers are bedazzled by the fine details / tech the 3rd party vendors can offer. That said take a look at Mehanos hi speed train models of the ICE3 / TGV duplex , cheaper models but far better thought out , the TGV power car has the can motor located in the well between the bogies so it lowers the centre of gravity, drive shafts nyon straight into the bogies & no big clumsy gearboxes , the power weighs next to the nothing yet easily shifts 8 coaches & a light as feather rear dummy power car. It does make you wonder who Hornby employ when designing models & wether they every buy other companies models & see how they do things.
I made an update video on the model in which I explained the issue with the model and it was very much a simple one. Lack of lubrication on the coach axles causing too much drag.
Maybe Hornby should have looked back at the original 1980s APT for insperation (I have one still works well). The power car is in the middle with traction tyres. If it aint broke.........
Well done for getting it to a state of being useable, but will still give it a miss, we need accurascale or dapol to start making a lot more modern stuff, leave the old steam stuff and class 47's etc to hornby and bachmann, and get on with making good quality stuff that is upto date and reasonably priced too, there is so much to choose from and yet nobody is doing it.
Fair point my friend. There is a massive gap in the modern traction market especially where multiple units are concerned. Hopefully we will see some of those gaps filled soon.
There are two types of bogies on the 9 car. Is there any difference in the drag between the different types?
The bogie type doesn’t affect the drag. Tooling wise where the axles and the bogie tower are concerned is the same.
Simple fix that you shouldn’t have to do cheers Al
Indeed. It definitely doesn’t give me much hope for Hornby if they can’t even get the simple things right.
Do the axles have pin point bearings?
No they don’t. Not really sure how to describe the axle/bearing set up on these big essentially the axles themselves sit directly on the bogie chassis.
@@fyfieldjunction no wonder there is drag then...not a good designed bogie..
How did you get those gwr sleeper coaches?
They were a limited edition run exclusive to kernow model rail centre several years ago now. Unfortunately if you want any they are very rare and when they do come up online somewhere, people will be charging top dollar.
@@fyfieldjunction ok thanks for the info
Good update on your class 802, I’m sure those whom love a Hornby and believe they can do no wrong this is a classic example of where they are, they clearly don’t have a QA department over in China or over here, they do have a tendency of abandoning customers once they get their money, no oil and the wrong oil in models is standard with them, you shouldn’t have to do the investigation especially when you’ve spent to money you did on it in the first place, if Accurascale produced this model then those issues wouldn’t be loaded on the customer because they wouldn’t be there in my opinion, I guess it’s your choice to spend that kind of money on products that aren’t fit for purpose, their products are underdeveloped because they cut too many corners so their profit margins are maintained, modellers will totally lose faith in Hornby if they don’t wake up and stop doing things like this, thanks for sharing.
Not defending Hornby but AS are not perfect, take your rose tinted glasses off, bar the 37 (which has had its fair share of motor and bogie issues) all my AS products have had something wrong with them.
I agree. As good as accurascale are they still aren’t perfect. I’ve had no issues with the few locos of theirs I currently have but I have seen many cases of people having major problems with their products. No one is perfect at the end of the day.
Hornby do need to up their game. They do produce some excellent models however, they also produce some right tat. Purchasing this model was always a no brainer for me as it’s perfect for my era and region but I obviously shouldn’t have needed to do the work I did.
Can I be the first to congratulate you on some successful modelling.
Thank you 👍
Hornby don't build their models with problems - they pay someone else to build them like that and then take your money.
Sounds about right.
Motor drive sounds like a coffee grinder... over priced, sub par. I'll give it a miss.
Fair enough mate. I don’t blame you.
Would you kindly send me the hobby shop you deal with that sells Hornby no one is selling it in Canada and I'd like to order Hornby trains. An address and phone number or email would be lovely to have. Thank you
I purchased this from Hornby directly but if you’re interested in a shop to purchase from I’d recommend checking out Rails of Sheffield. www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjL0eTTttaGAxXZiVAGHQX6CYAYABAAGgJkZw&ae=2&gclid=CjwKCAjwjqWzBhAqEiwAQmtgT92hiQtpysA_7QfixJdrvtc8QX_UYoUqmv94buh2Qi6P_lXkPgqUVhoCwbwQAvD_BwE&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESV-D2BFPmHk8kdkK6WLxxw0mhZ6XP-fxg9jUXLLgr8QtYR8j13XDqxkIJRauFGjzf3ljxss58YGc_IBXc8WQ__iuJoiBdg9tcV0VkrlXtzJS7HLEC3w3VUA&sig=AOD64_07kP9RUmkBpcUU-s8gkqJcTiY-JQ&q&adurl&ved=2ahUKEwjOp97TttaGAxX5UkEAHQnDCLwQ0Qx6BAgNEAE