I disagree with her. It's not indian nationals who are doing well. It's the indian diaspora as a whole which includes those who were indentured to other countries. It's all due to our emphasis and value of education hard work and culture
To add, It is paramount importance for a child to have the nurturing presence of both a mother and a father, as their combined influence forms the foundation of a well-rounded upbringing.
It's about the right education, talent and nurturing being given the right environment to thrive. One cannot do without the other. There are many Indians in India who are equally hardworking and talented, but cannot thrive because of the system. On the other hand, there are many other races in America, despite being given the best opportunities, are still lagging behind.
You are not "disagreeing" with her, but pointing out a broader classification (for the same reasons that she outlines for Indian nationals)... Your point is well taken
That’s very interesting but I can tell you as someone who grew up in South Asia and has an oriental spouse that these nuances are MORE present in places like Korea/Japan. Assuming it’s not a temporary statistical artefact (most likely case) - the overrepresentation in tech more likely comes from the ability to think abstractly and - and abstract, non-linear thinking is very much rooted in Indian philosophy. One only has to read Indian Buddhist or Vedic texts to appreciate this. Thanks for sharing, Joseph. Really enjoyed the talk with NNT btw!
I do concur. There is another element albeit it's very much related and likely the cause for this pattern that seemingly exists. But just to blatantly put it out there, Young and inexperienced graduates who enter the workforce in Korea/Japan are very much treated as foot soldiers and definitely not encouraged to provide any creative input in meetings when it comes to strategy and approach, Rather it's probably the other way around. Voicing one's own disagreements/disapproval or contradictory views of that of their seniors' are viewed as disrespectful and heavily frowned upon due to a very strict and unyielding hierarchical structure which is deeply rooted in the social culture there that appraises and emphasizes juniors being polite and obedient which is not just confined to work premises. Bosses/ Superiors are possibly viewed as a parent/mentor figure which I happened to dissect from the Japan's lost generation episode and its origins which had some correlation to this larger issue. Indian culture in this regard generally is not as extreme and conservative thus allowing more free flowing exchange of fresh ideas even if its from subordinates although there might be some exceptions/outliers in certain organisations, Indians overall seem more receptive to such discourse transpiring. I can provide a very prominent example as an analogy: The miscommunication, The hesistant appeal/plea of the junior pilot in the Asiana 214 crash which is widely documented and colloquially referred as the "Cockpit Culture" which is a microcosm of the overarching and encapsulating issue that I alluded to earlier.
I do concur. There is another element albeit it's very much related and likely the cause for this pattern that seemingly exists. But just to blatantly put it out there, Young and inexperienced graduates who enter the workforce in Korea/Japan are very much treated as foot soldiers and definitely not encouraged to provide any creative input in meetings when it comes to strategy and approach, Rather it's probably the other way around. Voicing one's own disagreements/disapproval or contradictory views of that of their seniors' are viewed as disrespectful and heavily frowned upon due to a very strict and unyielding hierarchical structure which is deeply rooted in the social culture there that appraises and emphasizes juniors being polite and obedient which is not just confined to work premises. Bosses/ Superiors are possibly viewed as a parent/mentor figure which I happened to dissect from the Japan's lost generation episode and its origins which had some correlation to this larger issue. Indian culture in this regard generally is not as extreme and conservative thus allowing more free flowing exchange of fresh ideas even if its from subordinates although there might be some exceptions/outliers in certain organisations, Indians overall seem more receptive to such discourse transpiring. I can provide a very prominent example as an analogy: The miscommunication, The hesistant appeal/plea of the junior pilot in the Asiana 214 crash which is widely documented and colloquially referred as the "Cockpit Culture" which is a microcosm of the overarching and encapsulating issue that I alluded to earlier.
We talk about CEOs , but can we take a moment and talk about the VPs as well. There is astonishing number of VPs of Indian origin in silicon valley. We can ignore the software engineers for a while.
I disagree with this statement.. I or most Indians atleast the middle aged population dont treat chauffeurs, butlers or servants with less respect.. in fact we support these families who we are taking work from, to a certain extent financially too.. basically we are a lot more democratic in accepting people of other religions and other communities.. and treat everyone with proper respect and sincerity in our answers and responses.. thats it!!!
She is missing a big piece. Because of colonization, we, Indians, speak English. Which gives us a huge advantage in America and UK as compared to other Asian nationals.
That's not an advantage any more as in China (Universities) now they speak better English then in India . Its the education system that's STEM focused from elementary. Indian workers are favored more in US/West as there is fear of communist China.
@@Zul1788 (I am here in India, and would point out what is obvious) Edits needed in your statement - *then > than, *Its > It is, that's > that is, *focused > focussed[british], *elementary > elementary level, *there is fear > there is a fear
I would add the patriarchy culture, as an Indian man you can solely focus on your career. Your parents will find a girl to marry and she’s will take care of all household responsibilities .
I disagree as an Indian woman . What makes you think all Indians have a patriarchy culture ? I come from a family where a man is equally responsible for taking care of the family and household responsibilities and a woman has her career too . There are a lot of Indian families with a matriarchy culture too .
I don't agree with her analysis. Success in tech is largely due to the fact that Indians in top positions come from prestigious universities in India. The selection process to get into these universities is as competitive, if not more so, than MIT, given India's large population. Graduating from a top Indian university in India is like being the "Top Gun" of the STEM world. Regarding Shruti's analysis that Indians in India learn to speak differently to various people from an early age, that's very true. I witnessed it during my recent trip to India. If you're a laborer or junior employee, you're often treated poorly and talked down to. It's dehumanizing, similar to the caste system. You don't stand next to your boss or shake hands; you walk behind them and bow. This behavior would never fly in the U.S., where everyone is treated equally. Even drivers and janitors receive respect and can dine at the same restaurants as wealthy individuals. Unfortunately, this is not the case in India. The biggest difference in the U.S. is our desegregated public school system. In India, it's not like that. In rural villages even today, kids from lower castes will sit on one side of the room or away from kids from upper castes. This code is ingrained in children from a very early age so they know where they belong. It's similar to how it was for Black Americans in the U.S. before desegregation. Then there's regionalism. It's well-known that in U.S. tech firms run by Indians, there is a preference for hiring Indians from their own regions. There's significant rivalry between Indians from different parts of the country, and it's even more pronounced when it comes to those of Indian heritage but not from India. In many cases, Indians from India may not hire Indian Americans or Indians from other countries. I would never want to work for an Indian CEO from India who's firm in US is mostly made up of Indians from India. It will be like in the Military, remember your rank and shut up, do as told.
I think we are a more reformed society now.. I do not disagree that many Indians with archaic minds still follow the old faulty ways, but there is more humane and equal treatment that is in conduct by more and more people. If you have visited corporate Japan, you will see even more fierce subservient behaviour of the juniors towards bosses.. There is a protocol but they know to perform within those bounds regardless.. I am sad that you have a bitter opinion, but perhaps you have been burnt, so you opine that way... sorry about that.. hope you have better experiences going forward that will open your mind..
In your first paragraph, are you trying to say that China does not have prestigious universities that produce quality STEM graduates like those of India do? P.S. - I am using the example of China here because these countries have similar population numbers.
You took it in a wrong way 200000 apply for 20000 Seat in most prestigious technological colleges in India and then after completing 3 years of colleges education they go to US universities for further education...... Bro India's young population makes competition tough for students and for selection machinery as well.... America indeed get the creamy from Indian education system..... We wanna change this system India need these creamy not America.
The moment she used the term South Asia instead of Indian subcontinent while talking about india is something they lost in space
yes it's guaranteed they will not acknowledge Hindu values.
I hate that phrase
I disagree with her. It's not indian nationals who are doing well. It's the indian diaspora as a whole which includes those who were indentured to other countries. It's all due to our emphasis and value of education hard work and culture
To add, It is paramount importance for a child to have the nurturing presence of both a mother and a father, as their combined influence forms the foundation of a well-rounded upbringing.
@@SanaatanSatyaHai Exactly and rooted in Hindu culture.
@@SanaatanSatyaHai That's there in all middle east and Asian cultures.
It's about the right education, talent and nurturing being given the right environment to thrive. One cannot do without the other. There are many Indians in India who are equally hardworking and talented, but cannot thrive because of the system. On the other hand, there are many other races in America, despite being given the best opportunities, are still lagging behind.
You are not "disagreeing" with her, but pointing out a broader classification (for the same reasons that she outlines for Indian nationals)... Your point is well taken
That’s very interesting but I can tell you as someone who grew up in South Asia and has an oriental spouse that these nuances are MORE present in places like Korea/Japan.
Assuming it’s not a temporary statistical artefact (most likely case) - the overrepresentation in tech more likely comes from the ability to think abstractly and - and abstract, non-linear thinking is very much rooted in Indian philosophy. One only has to read Indian Buddhist or Vedic texts to appreciate this.
Thanks for sharing, Joseph. Really enjoyed the talk with NNT btw!
I do concur. There is another element albeit it's very much related and likely the cause for this pattern that seemingly exists. But just to blatantly put it out there, Young and inexperienced graduates who enter the workforce in Korea/Japan are very much treated as foot soldiers and definitely not encouraged to provide any creative input in meetings when it comes to strategy and approach, Rather it's probably the other way around. Voicing one's own disagreements/disapproval or contradictory views of that of their seniors' are viewed as disrespectful and heavily frowned upon due to a very strict and unyielding hierarchical structure which is deeply rooted in the social culture there that appraises and emphasizes juniors being polite and obedient which is not just confined to work premises. Bosses/ Superiors are possibly viewed as a parent/mentor figure which I happened to dissect from the Japan's lost generation episode and its origins which had some correlation to this larger issue.
Indian culture in this regard generally is not as extreme and conservative thus allowing more free flowing exchange of fresh ideas even if its from subordinates although there might be some exceptions/outliers in certain organisations, Indians overall seem more receptive to such discourse transpiring.
I can provide a very prominent example as an analogy: The miscommunication, The hesistant appeal/plea of the junior pilot in the Asiana 214 crash which is widely documented and colloquially referred as the "Cockpit Culture" which is a microcosm of the overarching and encapsulating issue that I alluded to earlier.
I do concur. There is another element albeit it's very much related and likely the cause for this pattern that seemingly exists. But just to blatantly put it out there, Young and inexperienced graduates who enter the workforce in Korea/Japan are very much treated as foot soldiers and definitely not encouraged to provide any creative input in meetings when it comes to strategy and approach, Rather it's probably the other way around. Voicing one's own disagreements/disapproval or contradictory views of that of their seniors' are viewed as disrespectful and heavily frowned upon due to a very strict and unyielding hierarchical structure which is deeply rooted in the social culture there that appraises and emphasizes juniors being polite and obedient which is not just confined to work premises. Bosses/ Superiors are possibly viewed as a parent/mentor figure which I happened to dissect from the Japan's lost generation episode and its origins which had some correlation to this larger issue.
Indian culture in this regard generally is not as extreme and conservative thus allowing more free flowing exchange of fresh ideas even if its from subordinates although there might be some exceptions/outliers in certain organisations, Indians overall seem more receptive to such discourse transpiring.
I can provide a very prominent example as an analogy: The miscommunication, The hesistant appeal/plea of the junior pilot in the Asiana 214 crash which is widely documented and colloquially referred as the "Cockpit Culture" which is a microcosm of the overarching and encapsulating issue that I alluded to earlier.
What is South Asia!? Its Indian subcontinent my friend
For some reason I have a disconnect with her theory.
These "indian experts " are ridiculous . Yes macaulay must be credited with creating Satya Nadella , thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.
You bootlickers 😂😂😂maucaley made for his benefit but now Americans getting it😂😂
We talk about CEOs , but can we take a moment and talk about the VPs as well. There is astonishing number of VPs of Indian origin in silicon valley.
We can ignore the software engineers for a while.
Macaulay actually made Indian student mediocre
I disagree with this statement.. I or most Indians atleast the middle aged population dont treat chauffeurs, butlers or servants with less respect.. in fact we support these families who we are taking work from, to a certain extent financially too.. basically we are a lot more democratic in accepting people of other religions and other communities.. and treat everyone with proper respect and sincerity in our answers and responses.. thats it!!!
She is missing a big piece. Because of colonization, we, Indians, speak English. Which gives us a huge advantage in America and UK as compared to other Asian nationals.
That's not an advantage any more as in China (Universities) now they speak better English then in India . Its the education system that's STEM focused from elementary. Indian workers are favored more in US/West as there is fear of communist China.
@@Zul1788 (I am here in India, and would point out what is obvious) Edits needed in your statement - *then > than, *Its > It is, that's > that is, *focused > focussed[british], *elementary > elementary level, *there is fear > there is a fear
@@Zul1788LIES 🤡
😂
bruh many here uncles dont know english at all but they run factories or coppers and steel
I see speculations rather than evidence. Smart hardworking and they don't make investors or top management angry, thats why they get top job.
She is making a mockery of American family values and u guys are welcoming it
She is just an ABCD🤷🏻♂️
I would add the patriarchy culture, as an Indian man you can solely focus on your career. Your parents will find a girl to marry and she’s will take care of all household responsibilities .
LOL
I disagree as an Indian woman . What makes you think all Indians have a patriarchy culture ? I come from a family where a man is equally responsible for taking care of the family and household responsibilities and a woman has her career too . There are a lot of Indian families with a matriarchy culture too .
@ I’m glad to hear that. Don’t be delusional though, you’re a micro minority .
Applies for all eastern cultures. The point doesn't hold true.
@@shilpab9685 I’m glad that you didn’t go through but please reckoned with that you are a tiny minority.
I don't agree with her analysis. Success in tech is largely due to the fact that Indians in top positions come from prestigious universities in India. The selection process to get into these universities is as competitive, if not more so, than MIT, given India's large population. Graduating from a top Indian university in India is like being the "Top Gun" of the STEM world.
Regarding Shruti's analysis that Indians in India learn to speak differently to various people from an early age, that's very true. I witnessed it during my recent trip to India. If you're a laborer or junior employee, you're often treated poorly and talked down to. It's dehumanizing, similar to the caste system. You don't stand next to your boss or shake hands; you walk behind them and bow. This behavior would never fly in the U.S., where everyone is treated equally. Even drivers and janitors receive respect and can dine at the same restaurants as wealthy individuals. Unfortunately, this is not the case in India.
The biggest difference in the U.S. is our desegregated public school system. In India, it's not like that. In rural villages even today, kids from lower castes will sit on one side of the room or away from kids from upper castes. This code is ingrained in children from a very early age so they know where they belong. It's similar to how it was for Black Americans in the U.S. before desegregation.
Then there's regionalism. It's well-known that in U.S. tech firms run by Indians, there is a preference for hiring Indians from their own regions. There's significant rivalry between Indians from different parts of the country, and it's even more pronounced when it comes to those of Indian heritage but not from India. In many cases, Indians from India may not hire Indian Americans or Indians from other countries.
I would never want to work for an Indian CEO from India who's firm in US is mostly made up of Indians from India. It will be like in the Military, remember your rank and shut up, do as told.
You probably visit China more than you visit India.
I think we are a more reformed society now.. I do not disagree that many Indians with archaic minds still follow the old faulty ways, but there is more humane and equal treatment that is in conduct by more and more people. If you have visited corporate Japan, you will see even more fierce subservient behaviour of the juniors towards bosses.. There is a protocol but they know to perform within those bounds regardless..
I am sad that you have a bitter opinion, but perhaps you have been burnt, so you opine that way... sorry about that.. hope you have better experiences going forward that will open your mind..
In your first paragraph, are you trying to say that China does not have prestigious universities that produce quality STEM graduates like those of India do?
P.S. - I am using the example of China here because these countries have similar population numbers.
so harvard and stanford don't select the 'cream' of americans. i think this lady has a narcissist complex
Ah yeah they do but , where are they then ?
@ bill gates, mark zuckerberg etc
You took it in a wrong way 200000 apply for 20000 Seat in most prestigious technological colleges in India and then after completing 3 years of colleges education they go to US universities for further education...... Bro India's young population makes competition tough for students and for selection machinery as well.... America indeed get the creamy from Indian education system..... We wanna change this system India need these creamy not America.
@@rajendradangi2585 American cream is much better than Indian cream. Indian cream are workers. American cream are entrepreneurs.
Immigrant's naturally have a different drive plus American's have many options , They are not on a Visa with very limited options.
A bit fluffy. Sorry to say
It is not Indian but Tamild
Mostly Telugus.
Tamil too
O ya. Parag agarwal is tamil..
She praiseing socialist she is far left woke ideology supporter i think 😁😁😁 family is the Asian Indian successfull
Sanghi spotted
The Pune us in India give galis to workers
I meant northindians
😂😂😂 ..half baked...
Parag agarwal was trash to begin with. If he comes to her mind before Satya Nadella, she is full of bullshit.
😂