While I understand this a annoying to hear someone complain about there favorite dino losing and pulling something out there ass , calling this accurate im not to sure about that
Tarbo is 4-5 tons ( max 6 tons ) Saurophaganax 4-4.5 tons ( max 5 tons ) Tarbo is heavier, physical stronger, bulkier, and has a stronger biteforce Both are the same speed 20 mph Saurophaganax has more experience,more weapons/abilities and has a range advantage
@@amirwheeler2842 I respect your opinion as well but you're wrong on the sizes we already discussed this, Saurophaganax is ~6 tons on average with large individuals reaching 7-8 tons, biggest out of the 13 undescribed individual is believed to have hit ~10 tons, theses gigantic specimens have bones rivaling with the biggest T. rex and the Giga holotype if you want a comparaison. Tarbosaurus has only one mature adult which is 5,4 tons based on a recent GDI. While i agree Tarbosaurus might take it on average, putting it against the large ones would be overkill, if you still dont believe me dm me on discord : .rzk_ and i'll provide you the sources.
I would say the tarbo win high - extreme diff cuz of his bite force almost similar to the t. rex, i would give agility to saurophaganax tho Btw ye that’s completely true that the sauro dwarf the tarbo in weight since the largest was we found was 6.74 tonnes and the largest we found for tarbo was 5 tonnes, although the height of the saurophaganax will cause alots pf problem for the Tarbosaurus to win since the tarbo is around 3,5m tall and saurophaganax was 4m tall so up to debate Tarbo is my 2nd fav btw
Tarbo's bite force is like 2 times less strong than T. rex, it's actually more similar to thoses of the big carcharodontosauridae like Carcharodontosaurus according to Sakamoto et al. 2022. For saurophaganax, unlike most people think Saurophaganax max size isnt 4-5 tons, there are in fact undescribed specimens significantly larger, 7shots a paleontology student with actual access to the 230 undescribed isolated bones said the average size was probably around ~6 tons for the most completes specimens and that the 3-4 largest were 7-8+ tons. To give you an idea, some bones are comparable, potentially larger than the giga holotype. The general idea of Saurophaganax is a slender, fast theropod when in reality it was quite the inverse, it was very robustly build, with a very deep torso. Its heavier than Edmarka rex (T. tanneri) at same length, it was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed. But do keep in mind that all saurophaganax sizes estimates aren't as reliable as other theropods cause like i said, theses are based on undescribed remains, 7shots is currently working on a paper tho so we'll have to wait. Im trying to change people general view of this animal, note that although having a very bulky build, it also had massives arms which probably played a role in macropredations against the many sauropods of Morisson, original for a megatheropod.
So that means it can beat a trex do thats what u mean ok ig? Idek how it can beat a trex cause u putted it as kinda like mid diff so high diff against trex? Damn saurophaganax is huge
@@marcmati9011 Every period has its own specificities for me there isnt any better than the others although i have my preferences ofc, new infos on Sauro say that out of 13 specimens, the biggest one nicknamed Leviathan by 7shots may have hit the 10 tons range, thats crazy.
It was a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed" This animal was probably slower than Tarbo and the big carcharodontosauridae.
@@RzkEditz Lets set in a simulation The fight begins at a lake, Tarbosaurus minding her own business when suddenly, Saurophaganax appears, he is looking for a dead Apatosaurus amd makes eye contact with the Tarbosaurus, they roar at each other and enter the small lake, in a watchful look at each other, Saurophaganax bites down Tarbosaurus's side, Tarbosaurus, being smaller, bites down on Saurophaganax's neck, but she gets clawed by Saurophaganax's claws Tarbosaurus, is becoming weak but bites on Saurophaganax's arm, being clawed once again, Tarbosaurus is pissed and bites on her enemy's arm, Saurophaganax is pinned down, he bites Tarbosaurus's leg, she is pinned down, she gets back up and bites down on Saurophaganax's neck as hard as she can, her jaw locking mechanism releases, a crack sound emerges, and lets go, Tarbosaurus is victorious, she collapses to the floor. Conclusion: Tie
Nah unlike most people think Saurophaganax max size isnt 4-5 tons, there are in fact undescribed specimens significantly larger, 7shots a paleontology student with actual access to the 230 undescribed isolated bones said the average size was probably around ~6 tons for the most completes specimens and that the 3-4 largest were 7-8+ tons. To give you an idea, some bones are comparable, potentially larger than the giga holotype. The general idea of Saurophaganax is a slender, fast theropod when in reality it was quite the inverse, it was very robustly build, with a very deep torso. Its heavier than Edmarka rex (T. tanneri) at same length, it was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed. But do keep in mind that all saurophaganax sizes estimates aren't as reliable as other theropods cause like i said, theses are based on undescribed remains, 7shots is currently working on a paper tho so we'll have to wait. Im trying to change people general view of this animal, note that although having a very bulky build, it also had massives arms which probably played a role in macropredations against the many sauropods of Morisson.
@@thelonerex I know but Leviathan was still probably way bigger than 5.3 tonnes. Anyways I recently learned about some gigantic undescribed Tarbosaurus specimens such as Teresa that might approach the 7-8 tonnes range so this edit might be outdated now.
Nah unlike most people think Saurophaganax max size isnt 4-5 tons, there are in fact undescribed specimens significantly larger, 7shots a paleontology student with actual access to the 230 undescribed isolated bones said the average size was probably around ~6 tons for the most completes specimens and that the 3-4 largest were 7-8+ tons. To give you an idea, some bones are comparable, potentially larger than the giga holotype. The general idea of Saurophaganax is a slender, fast theropod when in reality it was quite the inverse, it was very robustly build, with a very deep torso. Its heavier than Edmarka rex (T. tanneri) at same length, it was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed. But do keep in mind that all saurophaganax sizes estimates aren't as reliable as other theropods cause like i said, theses are based on undescribed remains, 7shots is currently working on a paper tho so we'll have to wait. Im trying to change people general view of this animal, note that although having a very bulky build, it also had massives arms which probably played a role in macropredations against the many sauropods of Morisson, original for a megatheropod.
@@Biyastrong2012 "It was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed" This animal was probably slower than Tarbo and the big carcharodontosauridae.
@@Biyastrong2012 Its phylogeny is still debated at the moment, it could be an allosauridae or an basal carcharodontosauridae. And your argument is bad, thats not because some animals are in the same family that they will have the same proportions and features. Just look at tyrannosaurids, some were very robust and build for strength and macropredation (T. rex, Tarbo), while some were small-prey specialist build for speed (Alioramus, Qianzhou).
Nah unlike most people think Saurophaganax max size isnt 4-5 tons, there are in fact undescribed specimens significantly larger, 7shots a paleontology student with actual access to the 230 undescribed isolated bones said the average size was probably around ~6 tons for the most completes specimens and that the 3-4 largest were 7-8+ tons. To give you an idea, some bones are comparable, potentially larger than the giga holotype. The general idea of Saurophaganax is a slender, fast theropod when in reality it was quite the inverse, it was very robustly build, with a very deep torso. Its heavier than Edmarka rex (T. tanneri) at same length, it was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed. But do keep in mind that all saurophaganax sizes estimates aren't as reliable as other theropods cause like i said, theses are based on undescribed remains, 7shots is currently working on a paper tho so we'll have to wait. Im trying to change people general view of this animal, note that although having a very bulky build, it also had massives arms which probably played a role in macropredations against the many sauropods of Morisson, original for a megatheropod.
@@RzkEditz Please note that im not trying to be rude and yes I get what your saying saurophaganax is a robust and bulky animal and yes its bigger than torvosaurus but 7 tons seems a bit extreme that would make saurophaganax the same mass as spinosaurus and bigger than acrocanthosaurus
@@RzkEditz a more reasonable mass for a large saurophaganax would be 5.5-6 tons which would make it the same mass as tarbosaurus Besides if saurophaganax was that big don't you think they would have made a paper about its new size ?
@@amirwheeler2842 I can understand why you are sceptical about theses estimates its totally understandable given the fragmntary nature of the remains and the lack of description but i took the estimates from a paleontology student with access to the material in question, that's the best we have right now for theses undescribed giants. He said the average saurophaganax would be ~6 tons while the large individuals could hit 7-8 tons, given there's 4 big individuals i think its not too far stretched to say at least one of them may have hitten this range. Also spino is more around 8 tons for mnsm v4047 and nhmuk r 16421 while tarbo go 5,4 based on pin 551.
@@RzkEditz to be honest 4-5 tons is a average mass for tarbosaurus 6 tons is a max estimate also a 7-8 ton mass for saurophaganax could be possible but as you mentioned it's a fragmentary estimate. I think people give saurophaganax 4-5 tons size is for more complete specimens but saurophaganax is rare in its area so we cant be sure until we get a fully compete saurophaganax skeleton. Thank you for being reasonable 👏 you do not know how refreshing that is.
finally an accurate fight i hate people that cant resist there favrioute dinosaur dying and always make wierd excuses why there dino would win
While I understand this a annoying to hear someone complain about there favorite dino losing and pulling something out there ass , calling this accurate im not to sure about that
Tarbo is 4-5 tons ( max 6 tons )
Saurophaganax 4-4.5 tons ( max 5 tons )
Tarbo is heavier, physical stronger, bulkier, and has a stronger biteforce
Both are the same speed 20 mph
Saurophaganax has more experience,more weapons/abilities and has a range advantage
In my opinion tarbosaurus wins mid difficulty
But that's a opinion.
You can have a different opinion and that's fine just don't be rude about it 👌 😅
@@amirwheeler2842 I respect your opinion as well but you're wrong on the sizes we already discussed this, Saurophaganax is ~6 tons on average with large individuals reaching 7-8 tons, biggest out of the 13 undescribed individual is believed to have hit ~10 tons, theses gigantic specimens have bones rivaling with the biggest T. rex and the Giga holotype if you want a comparaison. Tarbosaurus has only one mature adult which is 5,4 tons based on a recent GDI. While i agree Tarbosaurus might take it on average, putting it against the large ones would be overkill, if you still dont believe me dm me on discord : .rzk_ and i'll provide you the sources.
@@RzkEditz it's not that I don't believe you it's just that we should wait on a paper that confirms that size of saurophaganax
Saurophaganax my fav dino
What remix of memory reboot is this?
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Saurophaganax is also more robust 😉
Yea ikr, read my comment on my Mapusaurus vs Saurophaganax edit i did a whole paragraph on it
Bro what text did you ues?
Batman forever
Ain’t no way bruh💀
Yes way, Leviathan's 8 tons bodies
I would say the tarbo win high - extreme diff cuz of his bite force almost similar to the t. rex, i would give agility to saurophaganax tho
Btw ye that’s completely true that the sauro dwarf the tarbo in weight since the largest was we found was 6.74 tonnes and the largest we found for tarbo was 5 tonnes, although the height of the saurophaganax will cause alots pf problem for the Tarbosaurus to win since the tarbo is around 3,5m tall and saurophaganax was 4m tall so up to debate
Tarbo is my 2nd fav btw
Tarbo's bite force is like 2 times less strong than T. rex, it's actually more similar to thoses of the big carcharodontosauridae like Carcharodontosaurus according to Sakamoto et al. 2022. For saurophaganax, unlike most people think Saurophaganax max size isnt 4-5 tons, there are in fact undescribed specimens significantly larger, 7shots a paleontology student with actual access to the 230 undescribed isolated bones said the average size was probably around ~6 tons for the most completes specimens and that the 3-4 largest were 7-8+ tons. To give you an idea, some bones are comparable, potentially larger than the giga holotype. The general idea of Saurophaganax is a slender, fast theropod when in reality it was quite the inverse, it was very robustly build, with a very deep torso. Its heavier than Edmarka rex (T. tanneri) at same length, it was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed. But do keep in mind that all saurophaganax sizes estimates aren't as reliable as other theropods cause like i said, theses are based on undescribed remains, 7shots is currently working on a paper tho so we'll have to wait. Im trying to change people general view of this animal, note that although having a very bulky build, it also had massives arms which probably played a role in macropredations against the many sauropods of Morisson, original for a megatheropod.
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@@RzkEditzAH OUAIS TOI AUSSI !?
@@Louislemairias Yes hehe
@@RzkEditzCOOL
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Saurophaganax is around 7 tons now,right?
Yea look the comment i made on my Mapusaurus vs Saurophaganax edit for further infos
Isn't it 8?
Bro it is not the size of a T. rex nah
@@Steam537T rex is 11 tons
9 tons*
Pin me dino fanboy or ur next
@@Tyrannosaurus-g74 ok
So that means it can beat a trex do thats what u mean ok ig? Idek how it can beat a trex cause u putted it as kinda like mid diff so high diff against trex? Damn saurophaganax is huge
Nah watch my last edit on T. rex vs Saurophaganax, i'd say T. rex take it ~mid diff
Uhh no clearly not, even with the 8 tonnes estimate; it cannot beat a tyrannosaurus rex
Why do people say cretaceous>jurrasic when saurophaganax exists
@@marcmati9011 Every period has its own specificities for me there isnt any better than the others although i have my preferences ofc, new infos on Sauro say that out of 13 specimens, the biggest one nicknamed Leviathan by 7shots may have hit the 10 tons range, thats crazy.
@@RzkEditzI doubt the idea of it even remotely reaching 9 tones
speed goes to saruphaganax
It was a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed" This animal was probably slower than Tarbo and the big carcharodontosauridae.
@@RzkEditz
Lets set in a simulation
The fight begins at a lake, Tarbosaurus minding her own business when suddenly, Saurophaganax appears, he is looking for a dead Apatosaurus amd makes eye contact with the Tarbosaurus, they roar at each other and enter the small lake, in a watchful look at each other, Saurophaganax bites down Tarbosaurus's side, Tarbosaurus, being smaller, bites down on Saurophaganax's neck, but she gets clawed by Saurophaganax's claws
Tarbosaurus, is becoming weak but bites on Saurophaganax's arm, being clawed once again, Tarbosaurus is pissed and bites on her enemy's arm, Saurophaganax is pinned down, he bites Tarbosaurus's leg, she is pinned down, she gets back up and bites down on Saurophaganax's neck as hard as she can, her jaw locking mechanism releases, a crack sound emerges, and lets go, Tarbosaurus is victorious, she collapses to the floor.
Conclusion: Tie
The lake was only 4 ft deep
@@Usaboi_2731I appreciate the effort but i dont see how Tarbo would pin down Sauro, if anything its the other way around (8 tons vs 5.5 tons)
last time i checked saurophagnax was around 5-6 tons and tarbo was 6+ tons
New saurophaganax specimen called Leviathan weighs 8tons
@@C_Saharicusbro that’s outdated
@@samuelgeorge7504 real?1!
@@samuelgeorge7504 No its not dont spread theses claims without proper sources
@@RzkEditz ask dizzy rose
Cap tarbo more bulky than new sauro and has more psi bite force
And good tail stenght
Nah unlike most people think Saurophaganax max size isnt 4-5 tons, there are in fact undescribed specimens significantly larger, 7shots a paleontology student with actual access to the 230 undescribed isolated bones said the average size was probably around ~6 tons for the most completes specimens and that the 3-4 largest were 7-8+ tons. To give you an idea, some bones are comparable, potentially larger than the giga holotype. The general idea of Saurophaganax is a slender, fast theropod when in reality it was quite the inverse, it was very robustly build, with a very deep torso. Its heavier than Edmarka rex (T. tanneri) at same length, it was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed. But do keep in mind that all saurophaganax sizes estimates aren't as reliable as other theropods cause like i said, theses are based on undescribed remains, 7shots is currently working on a paper tho so we'll have to wait. Im trying to change people general view of this animal, note that although having a very bulky build, it also had massives arms which probably played a role in macropredations against the many sauropods of Morisson.
Yes sauro is only height not weight
Anyway tarbo and sauro is same size...
@@ungkuopp You didnt even read what I said, anyway if you dont believe me just dm me on discord for sources and further informations : .rzk_
@@ungkuoppon average yes but the largest ones no clearly not
Saurophaganax low diffs
Cap Tarbosaurus Slams
I used both max size, 8,3 tons vs 5,4 tons, Leviathan slams
@@RzkEditzthere R many doubts abt leviathan’s size
@@thelonerex I know but Leviathan was still probably way bigger than 5.3 tonnes. Anyways I recently learned about some gigantic undescribed Tarbosaurus specimens such as Teresa that might approach the 7-8 tonnes range so this edit might be outdated now.
@@RzkEditz
Ow, I haven’t heard of this tarbosaurus specimen. Is there anyway, I can read abt this specimen?
@@thelonerex In the Vividen discord server you can search "Teresa" in the search bar, there are some pics of the skull
The eight ton estimate is outdated tarbo clears
I had a break from paleo for 4 months but i dont think so Leviathan is still around that range afaik
@@RzkEditz it’s not I don’t think either way it’s incredibly unreliable and unrealistic
@@samuelgeorge7504 Its not i answered ur other comment.
@@RzkEditz right
@samuelgeorge7504 Provide proof on that. Otherwise, you sound biased.
speed and agility to sauro and ap to tarbo
Nah unlike most people think Saurophaganax max size isnt 4-5 tons, there are in fact undescribed specimens significantly larger, 7shots a paleontology student with actual access to the 230 undescribed isolated bones said the average size was probably around ~6 tons for the most completes specimens and that the 3-4 largest were 7-8+ tons. To give you an idea, some bones are comparable, potentially larger than the giga holotype. The general idea of Saurophaganax is a slender, fast theropod when in reality it was quite the inverse, it was very robustly build, with a very deep torso. Its heavier than Edmarka rex (T. tanneri) at same length, it was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed. But do keep in mind that all saurophaganax sizes estimates aren't as reliable as other theropods cause like i said, theses are based on undescribed remains, 7shots is currently working on a paper tho so we'll have to wait. Im trying to change people general view of this animal, note that although having a very bulky build, it also had massives arms which probably played a role in macropredations against the many sauropods of Morisson, original for a megatheropod.
@@RzkEditz i know
Saurophaganax has better leg structure
@@Biyastrong2012 "It was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed" This animal was probably slower than Tarbo and the big carcharodontosauridae.
@@RzkEditz no, sauro got leg structure from allo
@@Biyastrong2012 Its phylogeny is still debated at the moment, it could be an allosauridae or an basal carcharodontosauridae. And your argument is bad, thats not because some animals are in the same family that they will have the same proportions and features. Just look at tyrannosaurids, some were very robust and build for strength and macropredation (T. rex, Tarbo), while some were small-prey specialist build for speed (Alioramus, Qianzhou).
Tarbosaurus claps low - mid diff
Nah unlike most people think Saurophaganax max size isnt 4-5 tons, there are in fact undescribed specimens significantly larger, 7shots a paleontology student with actual access to the 230 undescribed isolated bones said the average size was probably around ~6 tons for the most completes specimens and that the 3-4 largest were 7-8+ tons. To give you an idea, some bones are comparable, potentially larger than the giga holotype. The general idea of Saurophaganax is a slender, fast theropod when in reality it was quite the inverse, it was very robustly build, with a very deep torso. Its heavier than Edmarka rex (T. tanneri) at same length, it was also a very slow animal because of its robustness and also since it had an underdevelloped fourth trochanter, associated with the caudofemoralis muscle, it gives less power in the tail and reduce the speed. But do keep in mind that all saurophaganax sizes estimates aren't as reliable as other theropods cause like i said, theses are based on undescribed remains, 7shots is currently working on a paper tho so we'll have to wait. Im trying to change people general view of this animal, note that although having a very bulky build, it also had massives arms which probably played a role in macropredations against the many sauropods of Morisson, original for a megatheropod.
@@RzkEditz Please note that im not trying to be rude and yes I get what your saying saurophaganax is a robust and bulky animal and yes its bigger than torvosaurus but 7 tons seems a bit extreme that would make saurophaganax the same mass as spinosaurus and bigger than acrocanthosaurus
@@RzkEditz a more reasonable mass for a large saurophaganax would be 5.5-6 tons which would make it the same mass as tarbosaurus
Besides if saurophaganax was that big don't you think they would have made a paper about its new size ?
@@amirwheeler2842 I can understand why you are sceptical about theses estimates its totally understandable given the fragmntary nature of the remains and the lack of description but i took the estimates from a paleontology student with access to the material in question, that's the best we have right now for theses undescribed giants. He said the average saurophaganax would be ~6 tons while the large individuals could hit 7-8 tons, given there's 4 big individuals i think its not too far stretched to say at least one of them may have hitten this range. Also spino is more around 8 tons for mnsm v4047 and nhmuk r 16421 while tarbo go 5,4 based on pin 551.
@@RzkEditz to be honest 4-5 tons is a average mass for tarbosaurus 6 tons is a max estimate also a 7-8 ton mass for saurophaganax could be possible but as you mentioned it's a fragmentary estimate. I think people give saurophaganax 4-5 tons size is for more complete specimens but saurophaganax is rare in its area so we cant be sure until we get a fully compete saurophaganax skeleton. Thank you for being reasonable 👏 you do not know how refreshing that is.