Hello. I was inspired by this vide and long story short. I ended up making a smal vid "Koleda vs Qingyi (on deadly, extremely aggressive and agile enemies)." It might add a bit more depth in your comparision (Sorry for russian I made this for a different purpuse, but it still might be helpfull).
The community really needs more scientifically set up videos like this. Even if the sample size would not be sufficient in an actual paper, this gives me much more useful information in making decisions than all the anecdotal opinion pieces out there. And since I can't run these experiments myself due to not having access to the test server, I appreciate someone else doing it. Subbed.
Agreed, I now see Koleda badly needs energy gen rate to reduce her downtime. Anby's signature W-Engine might be a good alternative on her for the added energy gen rate.
Completely agree. There does seem to be a trend in gachas where creators that can't do math love to start drama with creators that can if the math side becomes too popular.
There is nothing "scientific" about it. He didn't showcase the proper way to get the most out of each character's kit. How well does Koleda do under favorable conditions vs Anby under favorable conditions? So on and so forth. All this test showed was who is the better stunner while fighting solo. Who here plays like that? Nobody. The rankings don't matter because the characters weren't played how they should be played.
@@jamess359 You watched the video, so I'm not sure how you missed that he pointed out himself exactly what you just critizised. It is scientific, because metrics were set and data was gathered and correctly applied. Even if it is a limited experiment, it never claimed to be anything greater. It never claimed to have the goals you just applied to it. L Take.
TL DR: Anby: most consistent stun, fastest on big daze bars, not much else. Koleda: Best starting daze, best to switch on and off of her. Lycaon: Much I-frames, Very safe, such style. Qingyi: Best buff for the whole team.
I would definitely argue Qingyi's stun is most consistent. With or without energy, with or without dodges, with or without heavy assist. Qingyi cares the least about variables. Her range of times (12.3-18.0) being tighter than Anby's (7.5-16.4) supports that.
How can you guys forget about Koledas Buff - giving the team increased Chain Attack damage of 70%. ITS also a Team Buff. While Qingyi buffs Up to 80% during the stun time, which is in my opinion better because IT includes the Chain Attack and "Last longer".
Koleda is the best daze if an enemy is very agrassive: she deals a lot of stun with conters/recharges her energy and stuns them in no time. I honestly buffeld by Qingyi on my account.. She is 100% onfield daze, but if enemy is agrassive and fast she is basicly useless in comparision to onfield Koleda which can be played with a parry...
It's interesting because I think all the stunners are also designed with their "ideal" team in mind. Lycaon field uptime is going to be lower in ideal use cases because Ellen is a really strong on field DPS. His Daze application is very fast with parry swaps and quick EX application, and he's super smooth at dodging. Qingyi looks like she's meant to stay on field since her ideal team would be Zhu Yuan, who's more bursty. I think that would be a good note for all of these characters, because they all seem to have very different best case scenarios.
Zhu isn't her best teammate. Currently Anton is. That aside, you always bring matching element to the enemy. If you bring an electric stunner to a boss that isn't weak to electric then it will take longer to stun. Just like in HSR, you bring whatever element the enemy is weak against.
@@jamess359 That's true for the stunning part, but there are cases when it's worth mixing in one element the enemy isn't weak to in the hope of getting not just a stun but a Disorder. (Not necessarily in Hollow Zero due to Resonia Fusions often providing a good single-element alternative.)
The best thing about stunner in ZZZ is that they can also be considered as "enabler", Qingyi TTS might be lower than Anby but her shred and buff made the stun window more deadly.
thats because the boss is vulnerable to electric damage and qingyi do more electric hits than anby, if you look at the 3rd boss koleda did the most damage because its vulnerable to fire dmg
@@aallaaaa1 They are talking about the core skill. Despite Qingyi only have +20% daze multiplier while others have 3~4 times more daze multiplier, she debuffs +60% dmg multiplier to stunned enemies for dps character to deal more damage during stun phase. Anby doesn't provide that and Lycaon only apply ice shred. Also she doesn't need any teammate to activate the core skill, which makes her a universal stunner for any stun phase dps.
@@aallaaaa1even if we are looking at dmg, multiplier and self buffs aren’t even close. Forget the utilities. Qy dmg among stunners is significantly higher.
@@michaelyang838well duh she has 600 free atk when she gets more than 120 impact (1 becomes 6 atk) so she by default had more dps this is a way to try and mitigate her long on field time
It is proven that the daze output depends on the enemy's weakness/resistance. That's why Koleda has the lowest TTS against Wanted Enforcer who is weak to fire, while Lycaon has the highest TTS against that same enemy who is resistant to ice. Also, the first two tests were done against Farbauti who is weak to ice, so Lycaon got a lower TTS than usual on those. For the last test, Corruption Complex is weak to electric, so Anby and Qingyi took the first and second place in TTS. This is not a good way to compare stunners with different elements, but at least it showed Anby can stun faster than Qingyi, assuming Anby lands her combo well.
thats because the boss is vulnerable to electric damage and qingyi do more electric hits than anby, if you look at the 3rd boss koleda did the most damage because its vulnerable to fire dmg
Very good video.. every stunner has their pro cons, anby has the fastest stun time but no utility for the team, koleda has very frontloaded daze, lycaon and qingyi has stability + utility dmg for team.. really nice and clear comparison
A more qualitative observation is that Anby is susceptible on whiffing TB and EX skills on robots that like to dashback. Lycaon doesn't have that problem and his charged BA3 has s and can chase enemies that dashback.
Nah. You basic attack twice, use EX, then basic again and you'll still get her enhanced basic. It helps because she is invulnerable while using her EX. This acts as a pseudo dodge while maintaining her combo.
@@jamess359 ? What op was saying that the enemy has a window to dodge away and Anby's skill doesn't chase after them. Whereas Lycoan doesn't have this problem because his attack chases after them wherever they may be. Not... "Anby is easily disrupted when trying to stun"... All characters gain invuln when using EX skills, but it's irrelevant if the enemy runs away.
This is such a well made video! You clearly put so much effort in making this as clear, fair, and a cohesive comparison. You've gained my like and I look forward to more videos of the same quality
Great comparison! much better than most if not the BEST in the community. only caveat i could say is that you could have used the same f2p W-engine for everybody like Oven or Fossil because not everyone has the signatures or consider worth rolling for weapon signature. That being said,it still a very fair comparison nonetheless because its only comparing stun time, where Qingyi signature doesn't really make a difference. Great job and great video!
Thanks for doing this testing, it was informative and I really liked the format. It actually made me reconsider rolling for Qingyi instead of saving up my guaranteed standard banner pick for Lycaon. I'll be subbing to see more :)
Thanks for this. I quite enjoyed this video, it was well thought out and well executed to boot, and i hope to see more from you. You've earned my sub, absolutely.
Characters balancing is kinda interesting in this game because of the core skill that activates from faction/class/element. Lycaon for ice, Koleda for fire, and Qinyi for any attacker in general. Maybe we’ll get a stunner for anomaly teams in the future, that’ll be interesting.
@@zacziggaroti mean a stunner that helps anomaly buildup and damage to specifically buff anomaly characters. Qinyi has a bonus from being paired with an attacker, i’m speculating a stunner that gives bonuses from being paired with anomaly.
@@Eclin Well that's honestly probably not going to come for about another year. There's only a single readily available anomaly character, the other is a five star. We're getting another five star character at the end of 1.1 so it's pretty doubtful that they're going to have any stunners buff anomaly agents specifically anytime soon when there are still so few units that would even be buffed
@@Eclin It maybe sooner than you think. Sons of Caledon is the next big thing (ver 1.2) when we get out of the city. Based on leaks they got a S defence character Cesar (boar shield girl) and flamer girl (fire anomaly), with piper also being anomaly and no attacker in sight. This means Cesar is most likely a upgraded Seth that works for anomaly, and potentially serves as a semi "stunner" like Ben, being a limited 5 star and all.
Wonderful video idea and we got some interesting results. It's very refreshing when somebody cook something new and you explained your view point really well too, thanks for the content man.
I really like your methods, and the fact that you even admit all the imperfections in the test. I can't believe this is the first time YT algo pointed me to your channel. Subscribed and hope to see more ZZZ content from you.
Using Lycaon's EX Skill to start a chain attack actually slows down his stun time according to the rules you set, since his basic attacks have a faster animation while still being able to start chain attacks. Maybe you mentioned this but Koleda would also likely win under all scenarios if she had Ben sitting in the team doing nothing.
@@jamess359 hehe sry i cant english, my english that bad 🤣i mean Ben Deffender char also give a big Dmg too because hid deff convert to atk, and Stun enemy with koleda can up Dmg chain atk
Koleda's raw ex special will do more daze than the basic 1 2 cancel; and it seemed like in some of the fights you were doing Lycaon's hold basics a little slower than possible. Not that big a deal but some small things to note.
@@nakfr0g you may already be aware, but you can press and hold the button shortly before each of Lycaon's charged basics have finished to queue up the next charge attack without any extra delay. The window to do this is pretty generous and lets you minimize the delay between attacks.
I think for the tests where the enemy is active you should start with a defensive assist+assist follow up rather than a dodge counter since that's just the better way to start stunning a unit given defensive assist+follow up does much more daze than a dodge counter, for example, on Anby you go from a 272.7 daze multiplier from a dodge counter to a 416.2 + 490.9 daze multiplier from a defensive assist + follow up. Really nice video btw~
Such a great vid, glad to have you in the community! Also its pretty niceto see how they balanced Anby and Qingyi, with Anby providing faster stuns, and Qingy giviving more dmg on stuns, so even if you wont pull the shiny new 5 star, its not like your totally cucked.
Good quality in testing and telling the think-process is appreciated. Even if the video would take longer. I would wish to tell the pros/cons to every stunner of itself as summary. Some of the comments did. Also: You should consider that the weakness/ resistance plays a big role in TTS. Nevermind, I it's early game and you put a lot of effort in it. Subbed. I hooe to see more testing in the future for example comparing anamoly playstyle againgst attacker. Thank you very much, well done ❤
Wow this was a very good showdown I half expected Qingyi to destroy the competition but to think there was that much variance to the results surprised me beautifully
For koleda, you will get more daze without using basic attacks for her ex special. Her furnace fire enhanced buffs does less daze than her regular basic attacks. Its unintuitive but you want to do a full basic attack then ex special after only first attack.
Great video! Liked and subbed! I really appreciate the different testing methods you used and how you try to control the variables. Please keep up the good work!
Cherry picking really does work in Anby's favor here. In average gameplay though, there has been many times where I cannot get to Anby's N3 for the huge daze without dodging that it can be extremely annoying
Anby's M1 Rapid Charge Mode When the 4th-hit of Anby's Basic Attack hits an enemy, her Energy Generation Rate is increased by 12% for 30s. Anby Pro-Tip: - Anby's "Basic Attack: Thunderbolt" doesn't count as the 4th-basic. (so add a 4th-basic every 30s or so.) Why does this matter? I just want to preface "Energy Regen" and "Energy Generation Rate" are completely different stats with the same objective aka get your EX Special up, where most of your daze is. - Energy Regen: - Is the Energy gain in combat whether on or off field, as long as It's in combat. - Energy Generation Rate: - fun fact you also gain energy on your Basic Attack, Dash Attack, Dodge Counter and Quick Assist; Energy Generation Rate enhanced all of that and your Energy Regen as well. so I would argue a high refinement (5 copies) of Anby's Sig W-engine is low key sleeper OP, as it give Energy Generation Rate 27.5% on Dodge Counter or any Assist Attack, plus M1 with a total of 39.5% Energy Generation Rate... total Ex daze spam. you could also argue high refinement Oven with 50% Energy Regen and 25.6% Combat Impact is also up there as long M1 is active. I don't know if any of this would change the result, you could also argue the minutia of the other stun agents, heck i could be hella wrong as it is IMO, corrections are welcomed. Thanks for the awesome vid. and Thank you for reading my TED Yap, and may Anby prove you useful.
Thanks for providing this in such a great format, even if there are misplays, most players will misplay so it's still accurate to the results most of us will expect
The Anby powercrept is not reallll XD Honestly this is a good Stun agents comparison, with each of their shortcomings are covered with their own kit, on a stun capability alone, either you're really good at stunning or you're just okay but offered some more benefits for the team, thankyou for creating this Tests❤
Qingyi will be a better option ofc but anby being A rank and free capable to perform that well in the role definitely is something that will gives her value overtime.
The thing is you don’t need to stun faster in this game, since you lose uptime on preparing your dps and support buffs for the stun window. That’s why Anby is the four star and performs the worst at any endgame content, providing no buffs in trade of a faster stun has no utility in this game unless you do this twice as fast as the others.
@@tieAcherry101 depends on the dps zhuyuan actually takes advantage of fast stun specially at M1, Nicole doesn’t require too much set up as soukaku so in that team is actually useful the fast stun for the zhu yuan passive.
Great video. Too many CCs nowdayd just present tehy opinions as facts, and even if they put in effort to do actual tests, they arely mention they methotology/show they math.
really appreciate your scientific approach with breakdowns of your methods and potential sources of error. In the future, I'd also like to see tests with all characters on the same f2p wengine and at half energy
Nice video, as usual!! I would love to see the comparison between those four in terms of average TTS! And also, since we have Qingyi's buff coming also might come to play. Note: Or you know, could bring in something like Ben Bigger for a wild card or something lol
Both Anby and Koleda are both my best choices because they get chunks in and then switch back out. I just really like it since that is how you play this game
Amazing video, and we can see clearly a few points: 1. There seems to be, as you stated, two classes of stun characters. Burst stunners who stun incredibly fast (Koleda and Anby), and power stunners who have slower tts but their stuns have higher damage multipliers tied to them (Lycaon and Qingyi). 2. Energy and character specific buffs are near mandatory for testing most characters. (Koleda's furnace fire being the big stand out here, but Anby's energy also) 3. Ratios and multipliers in the correct places. Where does the character's kit have their workhorse? Examples like Koleda's EX skill / Qingyi's charged attack / Anby's combo. Starting with an assist and having that be the starting frame could also incorporate more into testing aside from basic attack and skill use. (More so when stun characters release who might demand more field time than even Qingyi or Lycaon) 4. Consistency and averages. Anby being swingy in testing and being no less than 2nd outside one test should possibly indicate taking 5-10 for an average time instead of picking explicit best times in testing.
You pretty much hit the mail on the head when you talked about the numbers being compared over 100 runs. Anby is so frustrating to play with because of how backloaded her Stun is. Feels like shit when I have dodge right before EX and then have to BA 1-2-3 again. The construction bot in Shiyu 10 & 17 is what did me in. Lycaon may take longer but bro is such a breeze to play with
@@jamess359 nope you have to do BA 3 to get the multiplier from her passive before EX. You’re essentially wasting it if you’re doing it after BA3. Once you come down you can into Thunderbolt but it won’t have the multiplier from her passive. It’s still a quick burst of daze for free. All of Anby’s problems are reflected in Shiyu 17. You’ll if you’re already there. I’m doing around 5:47 right at lvl 50
@@pogu8613 if you do it before BA3 it’s wasted. Have you reached Shiyu 17? In Shiyu 17 the Bot forces you to dodge before BA3 so I can’t EX consistently and end up losing time. Her stun is too backloaded. It’s worse when you don’t have her EX because Thunderbolt doesn’t give you I-frames. Everything will make sense when you’re at Shiyu 17
This is the ZZZ content that I’m looking for, Great video. Good thing about ZZZ is that A-rank characters is satisfying to play while performing quite well against the S-rank counterparts which make using them very enjoyable
Good stuff man, I'm not surprised Anby aced this test, she is meant to be played on-field to stun, I'm surprised at Lycaon but I guess we use him for the dmg and that's arguably more important.
Great test! Anby seems like a most versatile stunner! The only point of note is that Anby underperformed in no energy test because she received Koleda weapon which gives 20% stun only after EX and energy regen off the field. Quingyi and Lycaon had universal weapons working from hit 1.
Another important thing to compare each stunner to is themselves. It's interesting to see how different factors and variables that are only prevalent in practice create a gap between best and worst TTS. Looking at that data, we see Qingyi with the smallest range of times and Koleda with the largest. Consistency is another important part of who you choose, just like things you acknowledged weren't being tested such as comfort, team buffs, etc.
This is an amazing test video which is really welcome by any noobs like me! Thanks again! Although, building a character is really pain in this game, so do you mind making a video where which characters need full leveling and which needs only little and makes no sense taking them further after certain levels! That would be so good since im getting stuck in this huge process.
I saw this post in reddit but i didn’t understand it at the time, now that i have played the game so much, i can finally appreciate this video. I use Anby a lot as she is the only stunner i have. I am glad that she does her role well, even though she doesn’t do much damage or buffs, a stunned enemy is better for Zhu yuan .
05:07 if you DIDN'T use lycaon's ex special, he would've tied. You can the the stun bar flashing indicating the eny was stunned, but since you started a long animation, the game will let the WHOLE animation play before flashin the chain attack bar.
i really appreciate that everything is based on S ranks being C0 as i'm sure most people has Anby C6/C5, so it just become a realistic 'F2P' comparison (& 0 star engine)
I really like that you included multiple situations. A shame that Koleda can't utilize furnace fire more while solo Edit: Turns out furnace fire enhanced basics have lower daze compared to normal basics 👀 Although that might change when her skills are maxed out
she's disgustingly good with ben though... She is by far one of the only stunner that can safely pull off a full combo against the quickest bosses who loves spamming melee attacks due to that insane invulnerability she receives from him.
I think she also gets a great boost once she has mindscape 1 and even better at mindscape 2. It makes her close the gap on her burst daze shown in the video on bigger opponents. While that's not readily available for most accounts, her first two mindscapes offer the greatest improvements aside from Qingyi's mindscape 1 out of all S rank stunners rn imo.
Its not just i-frames it makes koleda's final hit more reliable able to hit a big aoe... Its perfect for when your being swarmed and needing that breathing room to assess what the heck is trying to kill you.
Qingyi got buff in V5 beta She have faster stun and higher stun damage multiplier The 3rd basic attack spam Daze/stun multiplier from 16.5% becomes 29% From 60% to now 80% stun damage multiplier Became a real limited S rank stunner in the game Qingyi mains we won
You forgot to mention that dodge counter got giga nerfed, so stun times may be same if not worse specially with very aggressive enemies. the dmg increase, its great tho its 10% damage increase, from 40% to 50% (210/150 - 230/150)
For people playing Amby, don't forget that you need to Basic Attack 4 to activate her M1 Energy Gen Rate buff. Because so much of her daze comes from her Ex, the extra energy is super handy for longer fights.
Yep! Instead of in the middle of rotation 5 like in the video, if the first rotation uses B4, you get your EX available at the start of (So usable in) rotation 4. That's a significant improvement since you shave off 20% of the time spent in rotation (Or from the other perspective, not using B4 at start is functionally an additional 25% slower to EX)
@@Nudgarrobot It depends, in Shiyu defense, I was attempting to BA4 every other stun window. Aggressive enemies really don't like letting her finish her combo. Anyways, if you use the pause menu, in "Detailed Stats", you can check if the 12% Energy Gen buff is active. Attempting to keep the buff up as much as possible seems like the ideal, as she recovers energy even while off-field.
I pulled Lycaon for my first S rank, I think he’s a really consistent and solid stunner. One of the best all around. He’s never performing THAT badly. Always close to the top. And he’s very comfy to play. Another MASSIVE thing to consider is his passive that ups the damage percentage that enemies take AFTER getting stunned. The base is 180% and he ups it to 230%, so your DPS units can dish out a lot more damage on stunned enemies once they get to that point which honestly makes sense and compensates for his somewhat longer stun time.
@@spiderdude2099 noone is saying he’s bad or performing bad, keep in mind this is a scale of mere seconds.He undoubtably stuns slower but you would not have noticed 3-4 seconds in normal gameplay. Plus you aren’t running a side by side comparison in regular gameplay.
@@nakfr0gyeah, also his passive that massively ups the damage enemies take. It’s sorta like he’ll take longer to get there, but then you shred their HP. Also, as you mentioned, his I frames are insanely long. You can use that even outside of situations where you’re looking to stun.
Koleda has been my main carry since day one, since I don't really care for any of the limiteds (plz Jane Doe, I don't know how much longer I can wait), it is very interesting to see how different the actual combat test results can be so different from the more controlled "lab" tests but it is nice to see how they are all mostly within seconds (or a fraction of a second) of each other in the controlled tests
Nice, I would do some with the faction/element passive active for anby since she recovers more energy that way and with Qingyi because her daze power increases but other than that great video
Thanks for this video and showing testing in actual combat situations rather than useless training dummy numbers. Koleda is my main stunner and I think one thing that can get missed is that she has full invulnerability during the 3rd and 4th hit of her enhanced basic AND also has full invulnerability during her EX special. With good timing this lets her get her full big stun combos off against aggressive enemies by simply iFraming through their attacks, and as was shown the majority of her daze is getting to that ridiculous explosion at the end of her combo. Against the Hati I don't think that 2nd dodge counter was needed - going straight into her EX special would have simply ignored the attack. Afterwards when the projectile was charging you could have simply finished the enhanced basic because the 3rd and 4th hits are completely invulnerable. Not landing the enhanced basic combo a single time is doing her entire stun kit an injustice. It also might be weird, but I use Lycaon's W-Engine over her signature. Why? The daze bonus is a 30% multiplier (and buffs DMG as well), compared to Koleda's giving usually just 10% to the daze alone. I'd rather have the larger buff than a passive that only applies when she's not fighting. Also the buff starts building immediately instead of only after her EX Special. Real world situation is Koleda comes in with a defensive assist (and so starts out charged). You immediately go into her enhanced basic and with Lycaon's engine the buff is charged by the time you do the final two huge hits. With Koleda you have nothing until after the combo is over, and at that point you only have a single 10% stack going into a second combo where with Lycaon's engine you're 30% buffed for everything. I'd be curious to see some of those tests done with his engine - Koleda's engine is not good for these kinds of tests because the passive does nothing. Against the last boss where her combos got him to 90 daze and then you had to finish with basic hits, with Lycaon's engine that would have been the stun right there in 12s instead of 18s.
Anby being an A rank unit gives some surprising stun numbers, but sadly she's the only one that brings nothing besides stun to the team. All other stunners brings something else that increases the team DPS potential. I'm still going for Qingyi since Anby is the only stunner I own. Great video! That's some really good info and tests!
people forget she still brings the stun which is still a 50% stun dmg boost. People often not remember the benefits of a stun and seem to see 60% on qing yi and go monke. The fact she does her job is good enough as a free unit stunner at A-rank.
@@cookiewithlove2081 Sure, but you can stun without stun units. Some people run double support setups in place of a stunner and it works well enough. Anby just makes the stun process faster. That being said, no shade to her, I actually use her a lot.
@@reedsad4652 The difference is its not a 4 star that powercrept anby, its a 5 star. While I do admit her kit is hella good, everyone who pulled for zhu yuan is probably hella broke by now. The second problem is her sub-banner is probably the most blatant disgusting thing I had ever seen. [2 DPS 4 star carries of he same element and the most over bloated one PHYSICAL.]
Apart from increasing the stun multiplier by 30%, Lycaon also decreases the enemie's ice res so, in ice teams he's still the best stunner, so it really depends on what team your playing. In conclusion they're all great!
My favorite stunner is koleda. Great damage and group stuns with/without Ben. And she increases stun dmg multiplier by 70% after two ex specials. Definitely my main
Worst part with Anby is that her combo string stops if you dodge or get hit, but Qingyi combo continues, so in real combat it is easier for her. It usually matters when there more than 1 enemy, tho.
dang its really great Comparision, i do Like Anby because how easy to use her and the special basic combo is feels good to pull off and have great payout of daze meter. seems Energy Disc really good for her huh. good video man love ya works
oh and impaired does quite to the daze meter too at the last bosses, and only qingyi make the enemy impaired in this vid.. maybe that can be sanction about the late heavy attack on qingyi run
Obviously there’s some minor time differences here and there when there’s comparisons but I feel like even if there’s certain situations where certain agents do better, Lycaon and Qingyi are just much better because of more consistent damage output and support capabilities. I personally think that qingyi’s w-engine (20% attack boost for all squad when proccing 15 basic attacks) is wild and enough reason to put her on the top regardless of stun times
They really should add an interupt resist buff on Anby in one of her mindscapes specifically right after doing basic 3 to thunderbolt that part should have a huge interupt resist
Excellent showcase. This has opened my eyes on which stunner to have around. While I do have all 3 stunners in 1.0 I cannot afford to build them all up. Rngesus gave me Lycaon and while I adore him and his s his speed is clearly too slow compared to Anby. This data will help improve our clear times in shiyu defense.
My full Qingyi Character Guide where we cover her complete kit, playstyle and loadout can be found here: ruclips.net/video/rswoGuPa2Rs/видео.html
Hello. I was inspired by this vide and long story short. I ended up making a smal vid "Koleda vs Qingyi (on deadly, extremely aggressive and agile enemies)." It might add a bit more depth in your comparision (Sorry for russian I made this for a different purpuse, but it still might be helpfull).
The community really needs more scientifically set up videos like this. Even if the sample size would not be sufficient in an actual paper, this gives me much more useful information in making decisions than all the anecdotal opinion pieces out there. And since I can't run these experiments myself due to not having access to the test server, I appreciate someone else doing it.
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Agreed, I now see Koleda badly needs energy gen rate to reduce her downtime. Anby's signature W-Engine might be a good alternative on her for the added energy gen rate.
Completely agree. There does seem to be a trend in gachas where creators that can't do math love to start drama with creators that can if the math side becomes too popular.
There is nothing "scientific" about it. He didn't showcase the proper way to get the most out of each character's kit.
How well does Koleda do under favorable conditions vs Anby under favorable conditions? So on and so forth.
All this test showed was who is the better stunner while fighting solo. Who here plays like that? Nobody. The rankings don't matter because the characters weren't played how they should be played.
@@jamess359 You watched the video, so I'm not sure how you missed that he pointed out himself exactly what you just critizised. It is scientific, because metrics were set and data was gathered and correctly applied. Even if it is a limited experiment, it never claimed to be anything greater.
It never claimed to have the goals you just applied to it.
L Take.
@@jamess359 Bro doesn't know what scope of limitations mean
TL DR:
Anby: most consistent stun, fastest on big daze bars, not much else.
Koleda: Best starting daze, best to switch on and off of her.
Lycaon: Much I-frames, Very safe, such style.
Qingyi: Best buff for the whole team.
Plus Qingyi has good personal sub damage compared to the others
I would definitely argue Qingyi's stun is most consistent. With or without energy, with or without dodges, with or without heavy assist. Qingyi cares the least about variables. Her range of times (12.3-18.0) being tighter than Anby's (7.5-16.4) supports that.
How can you guys forget about Koledas Buff - giving the team increased Chain Attack damage of 70%. ITS also a Team Buff. While Qingyi buffs Up to 80% during the stun time, which is in my opinion better because IT includes the Chain Attack and "Last longer".
Idk about calling Anby consistent when you can't even do her full combo half the time. It's just dodge counters after the other
Koleda is the best daze if an enemy is very agrassive: she deals a lot of stun with conters/recharges her energy and stuns them in no time. I honestly buffeld by Qingyi on my account.. She is 100% onfield daze, but if enemy is agrassive and fast she is basicly useless in comparision to onfield Koleda which can be played with a parry...
Damn Anby's a beast, she didnt ate all those burgers for shit n giggles
All hail the thigh queen!
In all fairness she had a lot of extra-boost to compensate her A-Rank.
max cinema does work
It's interesting because I think all the stunners are also designed with their "ideal" team in mind. Lycaon field uptime is going to be lower in ideal use cases because Ellen is a really strong on field DPS. His Daze application is very fast with parry swaps and quick EX application, and he's super smooth at dodging. Qingyi looks like she's meant to stay on field since her ideal team would be Zhu Yuan, who's more bursty. I think that would be a good note for all of these characters, because they all seem to have very different best case scenarios.
Zhu isn't her best teammate. Currently Anton is.
That aside, you always bring matching element to the enemy. If you bring an electric stunner to a boss that isn't weak to electric then it will take longer to stun.
Just like in HSR, you bring whatever element the enemy is weak against.
@@jamess359 That's true for the stunning part, but there are cases when it's worth mixing in one element the enemy isn't weak to in the hope of getting not just a stun but a Disorder. (Not necessarily in Hollow Zero due to Resonia Fusions often providing a good single-element alternative.)
@@jamess359anton worst A dps, bruh
@@БарбабосБарананос worst dps in Hoyo games still clears hardest content.
It's irrelevant.
The best thing about stunner in ZZZ is that they can also be considered as "enabler", Qingyi TTS might be lower than Anby but her shred and buff made the stun window more deadly.
thats because the boss is vulnerable to electric damage and qingyi do more electric hits than anby, if you look at the 3rd boss koleda did the most damage because its vulnerable to fire dmg
@@aallaaaa1Qingyi increases the dmg multiplier of stuns. That's what they're talking about
@@aallaaaa1 They are talking about the core skill. Despite Qingyi only have +20% daze multiplier while others have 3~4 times more daze multiplier, she debuffs +60% dmg multiplier to stunned enemies for dps character to deal more damage during stun phase. Anby doesn't provide that and Lycaon only apply ice shred. Also she doesn't need any teammate to activate the core skill, which makes her a universal stunner for any stun phase dps.
@@aallaaaa1even if we are looking at dmg, multiplier and self buffs aren’t even close. Forget the utilities. Qy dmg among stunners is significantly higher.
@@michaelyang838well duh she has 600 free atk when she gets more than 120 impact (1 becomes 6 atk) so she by default had more dps this is a way to try and mitigate her long on field time
It is proven that the daze output depends on the enemy's weakness/resistance. That's why Koleda has the lowest TTS against Wanted Enforcer who is weak to fire, while Lycaon has the highest TTS against that same enemy who is resistant to ice. Also, the first two tests were done against Farbauti who is weak to ice, so Lycaon got a lower TTS than usual on those. For the last test, Corruption Complex is weak to electric, so Anby and Qingyi took the first and second place in TTS. This is not a good way to compare stunners with different elements, but at least it showed Anby can stun faster than Qingyi, assuming Anby lands her combo well.
ready for mr mans reply to this because i was fully shocked when koleda was doing those numbers
add on suggestion, a fair test would then be testing against the HZ boss ninevah
Wait so if an enemy has damage resistance against an element they tale more daze in exchange? Thats so interestiing.
@@adrianrandom3448 No, it's the opposite. Higher TTS = lower daze output
@@Goald107 what is tts?
another thing to note is on top of the damage multiplier, qingyi was also doing the most personal damage and taking down more of the boss' hp bar
thats because the boss is vulnerable to electric damage and qingyi do more electric hits than anby, if you look at the 3rd boss koleda did the most damage because its vulnerable to fire dmg
@@aallaaaa1 People pull Qingyi for her passive that shread the Stun multiplier
Yes, it looks like she does at least double the damage of all the other stunners... the gap is most clearly visible st 15:30.
She using sig, so while shes strong keep that in mind
Damage stats weren’t controlled for in character equipment
now thats a good comparison video thankyou 👍👍👍👍 good work
Very good video.. every stunner has their pro cons, anby has the fastest stun time but no utility for the team, koleda has very frontloaded daze, lycaon and qingyi has stability + utility dmg for team.. really nice and clear comparison
A more qualitative observation is that Anby is susceptible on whiffing TB and EX skills on robots that like to dashback.
Lycaon doesn't have that problem and his charged BA3 has s and can chase enemies that dashback.
Nah. You basic attack twice, use EX, then basic again and you'll still get her enhanced basic. It helps because she is invulnerable while using her EX. This acts as a pseudo dodge while maintaining her combo.
@@jamess359
? What op was saying that the enemy has a window to dodge away and Anby's skill doesn't chase after them. Whereas Lycoan doesn't have this problem because his attack chases after them wherever they may be.
Not... "Anby is easily disrupted when trying to stun"...
All characters gain invuln when using EX skills, but it's irrelevant if the enemy runs away.
This is such a well made video! You clearly put so much effort in making this as clear, fair, and a cohesive comparison. You've gained my like and I look forward to more videos of the same quality
This is extremely well-done, looking forward to more like this when the situation calls for it. Footage plus breakdowns is fantastic.
What an awesome video! Very technical and thoroughly done, great job! Subscribed
Great comparison! much better than most if not the BEST in the community. only caveat i could say is that you could have used the same f2p W-engine for everybody like Oven or Fossil because not everyone has the signatures or consider worth rolling for weapon signature. That being said,it still a very fair comparison nonetheless because its only comparing stun time, where Qingyi signature doesn't really make a difference. Great job and great video!
very good video. You set the test perimeter clearly, and made a very informational video. We need more videos like this. You just earned my sub sir
Thanks for doing this testing, it was informative and I really liked the format.
It actually made me reconsider rolling for Qingyi instead of saving up my guaranteed standard banner pick for Lycaon.
I'll be subbing to see more :)
Thanks for this. I quite enjoyed this video, it was well thought out and well executed to boot, and i hope to see more from you. You've earned my sub, absolutely.
These comparisons were hella fun to watch! Great work!
Characters balancing is kinda interesting in this game because of the core skill that activates from faction/class/element. Lycaon for ice, Koleda for fire, and Qinyi for any attacker in general. Maybe we’ll get a stunner for anomaly teams in the future, that’ll be interesting.
Currently, we got a defense unit for anamoly (Seth)
Anomaly is the elemental buildup, an anomaly type unit like Grace or Piper would already be anomaly, not a stunner. Do you mean shock/electric type?
@@zacziggaroti mean a stunner that helps anomaly buildup and damage to specifically buff anomaly characters. Qinyi has a bonus from being paired with an attacker, i’m speculating a stunner that gives bonuses from being paired with anomaly.
@@Eclin Well that's honestly probably not going to come for about another year. There's only a single readily available anomaly character, the other is a five star. We're getting another five star character at the end of 1.1 so it's pretty doubtful that they're going to have any stunners buff anomaly agents specifically anytime soon when there are still so few units that would even be buffed
@@Eclin It maybe sooner than you think. Sons of Caledon is the next big thing (ver 1.2) when we get out of the city. Based on leaks they got a S defence character Cesar (boar shield girl) and flamer girl (fire anomaly), with piper also being anomaly and no attacker in sight. This means Cesar is most likely a upgraded Seth that works for anomaly, and potentially serves as a semi "stunner" like Ben, being a limited 5 star and all.
really nice test, exactly what I was needing! subbed
Great comparison! Subscribed! I love hoyo's treatment of 4* characters.
Wonderful video idea and we got some interesting results. It's very refreshing when somebody cook something new and you explained your view point really well too, thanks for the content man.
I really like your methods, and the fact that you even admit all the imperfections in the test.
I can't believe this is the first time YT algo pointed me to your channel.
Subscribed and hope to see more ZZZ content from you.
Using Lycaon's EX Skill to start a chain attack actually slows down his stun time according to the rules you set, since his basic attacks have a faster animation while still being able to start chain attacks. Maybe you mentioned this but Koleda would also likely win under all scenarios if she had Ben sitting in the team doing nothing.
Poor Ben. Takes up a slot just to buff Koleda.
@@jamess359but Dmg Ben Also Big because he with President to in Stun State enemy 😂
@@rafifahmad3062 What broken English is that? Sorry I really don't understand what you're saying.
@@jamess359 hehe sry i cant english, my english that bad 🤣i mean Ben Deffender char also give a big Dmg too because hid deff convert to atk, and Stun enemy with koleda can up Dmg chain atk
He's saying ben=noelle
Koleda's raw ex special will do more daze than the basic 1 2 cancel; and it seemed like in some of the fights you were doing Lycaon's hold basics a little slower than possible. Not that big a deal but some small things to note.
Yep, it's probably safe to assume a plus/minus 1-2seconds on all these results due to variables
@@nakfr0g you may already be aware, but you can press and hold the button shortly before each of Lycaon's charged basics have finished to queue up the next charge attack without any extra delay. The window to do this is pretty generous and lets you minimize the delay between attacks.
I think for the tests where the enemy is active you should start with a defensive assist+assist follow up rather than a dodge counter since that's just the better way to start stunning a unit given defensive assist+follow up does much more daze than a dodge counter, for example, on Anby you go from a 272.7 daze multiplier from a dodge counter to a 416.2 + 490.9 daze multiplier from a defensive assist + follow up.
Really nice video btw~
I hope you enjoyed shooting and editing this video because I hella enjoyed watching this video! 👍 Great job!
Such a great vid, glad to have you in the community!
Also its pretty niceto see how they balanced Anby and Qingyi, with Anby providing faster stuns, and Qingy giviving more dmg on stuns, so even if you wont pull the shiny new 5 star, its not like your totally cucked.
Good quality in testing and telling the think-process is appreciated. Even if the video would take longer. I would wish to tell the pros/cons to every stunner of itself as summary. Some of the comments did. Also: You should consider that the weakness/ resistance plays a big role in TTS. Nevermind, I it's early game and you put a lot of effort in it. Subbed. I hooe to see more testing in the future for example comparing anamoly playstyle againgst attacker. Thank you very much, well done ❤
Wow this was a very good showdown I half expected Qingyi to destroy the competition but to think there was that much variance to the results surprised me beautifully
Nice and usefull info makes pulling or aiming for an character way more worth
For koleda, you will get more daze without using basic attacks for her ex special. Her furnace fire enhanced buffs does less daze than her regular basic attacks. Its unintuitive but you want to do a full basic attack then ex special after only first attack.
So only basic attack once then use EX special?
Great video! Liked and subbed! I really appreciate the different testing methods you used and how you try to control the variables. Please keep up the good work!
Incredible breakdown, very useful for those struggling on whether to pull for Qingyi or save (me). I shall stay true to Anby.
Cherry picking really does work in Anby's favor here.
In average gameplay though, there has been many times where I cannot get to Anby's N3 for the huge daze without dodging that it can be extremely annoying
Very useful and eye-opening video. Keep them coming!
Thank you for this well detailed comparison, I was wondering if I should pull for Qingyi or not... now I made my decision.
Anby's M1 Rapid Charge Mode
When the 4th-hit of Anby's Basic Attack hits an enemy, her Energy Generation Rate is increased by 12% for 30s.
Anby Pro-Tip:
- Anby's "Basic Attack: Thunderbolt" doesn't count as the 4th-basic. (so add a 4th-basic every 30s or so.)
Why does this matter?
I just want to preface "Energy Regen" and "Energy Generation Rate" are completely different stats with the same objective aka get your EX Special up, where most of your daze is.
- Energy Regen:
- Is the Energy gain in combat whether on or off field, as long as It's in combat.
- Energy Generation Rate:
- fun fact you also gain energy on your Basic Attack, Dash Attack, Dodge Counter and Quick Assist; Energy Generation Rate enhanced all of that and your Energy Regen as well.
so I would argue a high refinement (5 copies) of Anby's Sig W-engine is low key sleeper OP, as it give Energy Generation Rate 27.5% on Dodge Counter or any Assist Attack, plus M1 with a total of 39.5% Energy Generation Rate... total Ex daze spam.
you could also argue high refinement Oven with 50% Energy Regen and 25.6% Combat Impact is also up there as long M1 is active.
I don't know if any of this would change the result, you could also argue the minutia of the other stun agents, heck i could be hella wrong as it is IMO, corrections are welcomed.
Thanks for the awesome vid. and
Thank you for reading my TED Yap, and may Anby prove you useful.
You the goat brudda gimi ur UID
Now if only the game would give me ANBY copies instead of every other A rank god damn!
@@WhoDidYouSay I got ben c6 bro my luck☠️☠️☠️
@@WhoDidYouSayshes coming in janes banner you can test your luck there
I have her at c4 she's a beast
Thanks for providing this in such a great format, even if there are misplays, most players will misplay so it's still accurate to the results most of us will expect
Very informative, thanks for the amazing video
Now this is how you make good use of the CE server! Good Stuff!
The Anby powercrept is not reallll XD
Honestly this is a good Stun agents comparison, with each of their shortcomings are covered with their own kit, on a stun capability alone, either you're really good at stunning or you're just okay but offered some more benefits for the team, thankyou for creating this Tests❤
Unfortunately they just doubled qingyis stun multipliers on her BA3 Loop, which means she vastly powercreeps her now
@@bumibomberdoubled? I thought it was 20% increase…
Qingyi will be a better option ofc but anby being A rank and free capable to perform that well in the role definitely is something that will gives her value overtime.
The thing is you don’t need to stun faster in this game, since you lose uptime on preparing your dps and support buffs for the stun window. That’s why Anby is the four star and performs the worst at any endgame content, providing no buffs in trade of a faster stun has no utility in this game unless you do this twice as fast as the others.
@@tieAcherry101 depends on the dps zhuyuan actually takes advantage of fast stun specially at M1, Nicole doesn’t require too much set up as soukaku so in that team is actually useful the fast stun for the zhu yuan passive.
Great video. Too many CCs nowdayd just present tehy opinions as facts, and even if they put in effort to do actual tests, they arely mention they methotology/show they math.
There is no math in this video.
really appreciate your scientific approach with breakdowns of your methods and potential sources of error. In the future, I'd also like to see tests with all characters on the same f2p wengine and at half energy
Nice video, as usual!!
I would love to see the comparison between those four in terms of average TTS!
And also, since we have Qingyi's buff coming also might come to play.
Note: Or you know, could bring in something like Ben Bigger for a wild card or something lol
Both Anby and Koleda are both my best choices because they get chunks in and then switch back out. I just really like it since that is how you play this game
Amazing video, and we can see clearly a few points:
1. There seems to be, as you stated, two classes of stun characters. Burst stunners who stun incredibly fast (Koleda and Anby), and power stunners who have slower tts but their stuns have higher damage multipliers tied to them (Lycaon and Qingyi).
2. Energy and character specific buffs are near mandatory for testing most characters. (Koleda's furnace fire being the big stand out here, but Anby's energy also)
3. Ratios and multipliers in the correct places. Where does the character's kit have their workhorse? Examples like Koleda's EX skill / Qingyi's charged attack / Anby's combo. Starting with an assist and having that be the starting frame could also incorporate more into testing aside from basic attack and skill use. (More so when stun characters release who might demand more field time than even Qingyi or Lycaon)
4. Consistency and averages. Anby being swingy in testing and being no less than 2nd outside one test should possibly indicate taking 5-10 for an average time instead of picking explicit best times in testing.
I search a video like this last night THANK YOU !!!! 😊❤
You pretty much hit the mail on the head when you talked about the numbers being compared over 100 runs. Anby is so frustrating to play with because of how backloaded her Stun is. Feels like shit when I have dodge right before EX and then have to BA 1-2-3 again. The construction bot in Shiyu 10 & 17 is what did me in. Lycaon may take longer but bro is such a breeze to play with
Her EX is invincible
You can basic attack twice, use her EX, then basic again and you'll still get her enhanced basic.
@@jamess359 you might be right I’ll have to test it. I always read it to be BA 1-2-3 and then EX. But it says 3rd hit so I’ll have to check again
@@jamess359 nope you have to do BA 3 to get the multiplier from her passive before EX. You’re essentially wasting it if you’re doing it after BA3. Once you come down you can into Thunderbolt but it won’t have the multiplier from her passive. It’s still a quick burst of daze for free. All of Anby’s problems are reflected in Shiyu 17. You’ll if you’re already there. I’m doing around 5:47 right at lvl 50
@@pogu8613 if you do it before BA3 it’s wasted. Have you reached Shiyu 17? In Shiyu 17 the Bot forces you to dodge before BA3 so I can’t EX consistently and end up losing time. Her stun is too backloaded. It’s worse when you don’t have her EX because Thunderbolt doesn’t give you I-frames. Everything will make sense when you’re at Shiyu 17
This is the ZZZ content that I’m looking for, Great video. Good thing about ZZZ is that A-rank characters is satisfying to play while performing quite well against the S-rank counterparts which make using them very enjoyable
I love nerds man.
GOD I NEEDED TO SEE THIS SET UP, I LOVE WATCHING STUFF LIKE THIS!
Good stuff man, I'm not surprised Anby aced this test, she is meant to be played on-field to stun, I'm surprised at Lycaon but I guess we use him for the dmg and that's arguably more important.
Very very good data my guy. Doing the good work.
Stunner's Olympic Games
Great video nakfrg, thanks for the comparison. I didn't know that Anby was really quick.
Great test! Anby seems like a most versatile stunner!
The only point of note is that Anby underperformed in no energy test because she received Koleda weapon which gives 20% stun only after EX and energy regen off the field.
Quingyi and Lycaon had universal weapons working from hit 1.
I can't believe this video solely got Qingyi buffed. Amazing!
very cool breakdown
Another important thing to compare each stunner to is themselves. It's interesting to see how different factors and variables that are only prevalent in practice create a gap between best and worst TTS. Looking at that data, we see Qingyi with the smallest range of times and Koleda with the largest. Consistency is another important part of who you choose, just like things you acknowledged weren't being tested such as comfort, team buffs, etc.
Qingyi is basically a little longer on field for a much stronger stun.
Perfect for Zhu Yuan and future burst DPS units.
Also she does much more damage by herself
I'd rather just wait for an Ether stunner for Zhu Yuan tbh
@@jjcalydonthat’ll never happen, they are designed to be paired together
Being ether would do nothing for Zhu yuan, her core passive just needs a support and all she cares is about high stun damage windows.
This is an amazing test video which is really welcome by any noobs like me! Thanks again!
Although, building a character is really pain in this game, so do you mind making a video where which characters need full leveling and which needs only little and makes no sense taking them further after certain levels! That would be so good since im getting stuck in this huge process.
I saw this post in reddit but i didn’t understand it at the time, now that i have played the game so much, i can finally appreciate this video.
I use Anby a lot as she is the only stunner i have. I am glad that she does her role well, even though she doesn’t do much damage or buffs, a stunned enemy is better for Zhu yuan .
I would like to see a version of this video that takes into account the Ultimates of each character. This was really good
PLEASE make more videos like this for attackers and anomaly/support
05:07 if you DIDN'T use lycaon's ex special, he would've tied. You can the the stun bar flashing indicating the eny was stunned, but since you started a long animation, the game will let the WHOLE animation play before flashin the chain attack bar.
Yep saw the same just a mistake in tech from them
skill issue yea
Anby Full Combo + EX Special is BRUTAL. I love her so much.
i really appreciate that everything is based on S ranks being C0 as i'm sure most people has Anby C6/C5, so it just become a realistic 'F2P' comparison (& 0 star engine)
thank you for this, this is exactly what im looking for.
I really like that you included multiple situations.
A shame that Koleda can't utilize furnace fire more while solo
Edit: Turns out furnace fire enhanced basics have lower daze compared to normal basics 👀 Although that might change when her skills are maxed out
she's disgustingly good with ben though...
She is by far one of the only stunner that can safely pull off a full combo against the quickest bosses who loves spamming melee attacks due to that insane invulnerability she receives from him.
I think she also gets a great boost once she has mindscape 1 and even better at mindscape 2. It makes her close the gap on her burst daze shown in the video on bigger opponents. While that's not readily available for most accounts, her first two mindscapes offer the greatest improvements aside from Qingyi's mindscape 1 out of all S rank stunners rn imo.
Koleda is insane with the i-frames
Her with Ben just gives you I-frame but her alone has faster daze time.. Ben just gives you the lee-way to be more upfront with your comboes.
Its not just i-frames it makes koleda's final hit more reliable able to hit a big aoe... Its perfect for when your being swarmed and needing that breathing room to assess what the heck is trying to kill you.
I'm just glad Anby has something
Anby with all those burger buffs. Amazing job from best girl!
Also, great comparison video
Qingyi got buff in V5 beta
She have faster stun and higher stun damage multiplier
The 3rd basic attack spam Daze/stun multiplier from 16.5% becomes 29%
From 60% to now 80% stun damage multiplier
Became a real limited S rank stunner in the game
Qingyi mains we won
You forgot to mention that dodge counter got giga nerfed, so stun times may be same if not worse specially with very aggressive enemies. the dmg increase, its great tho its 10% damage increase, from 40% to 50% (210/150 - 230/150)
@@Toonlink003 its an ok compensation because Qingyi would be really broken if she didnt get at least one nerf in exchange
But Anby's stun is still better?
@@af0k220hm no
great video!
You need to do a crowd stun test, that’s where qingyi really shine
I'm quite happy to see anby perform so good since she's one of my favorite characters
She is M6...
very helpful thank you!
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For people playing Amby, don't forget that you need to Basic Attack 4 to activate her M1 Energy Gen Rate buff.
Because so much of her daze comes from her Ex, the extra energy is super handy for longer fights.
Yep! Instead of in the middle of rotation 5 like in the video, if the first rotation uses B4, you get your EX available at the start of (So usable in) rotation 4. That's a significant improvement since you shave off 20% of the time spent in rotation (Or from the other perspective, not using B4 at start is functionally an additional 25% slower to EX)
@@Nudgarrobot It depends, in Shiyu defense, I was attempting to BA4 every other stun window. Aggressive enemies really don't like letting her finish her combo.
Anyways, if you use the pause menu, in "Detailed Stats", you can check if the 12% Energy Gen buff is active.
Attempting to keep the buff up as much as possible seems like the ideal, as she recovers energy even while off-field.
at 3:59 you could’ve just use first sequence of Lycaon EX by just tapping instead of holding to save time
I am glad someone notice it! There time where you just need to do normal ex special then full ex special if the goal is to trigger chain attack faster
Was about to say this
I pulled Lycaon for my first S rank, I think he’s a really consistent and solid stunner. One of the best all around. He’s never performing THAT badly. Always close to the top. And he’s very comfy to play. Another MASSIVE thing to consider is his passive that ups the damage percentage that enemies take AFTER getting stunned. The base is 180% and he ups it to 230%, so your DPS units can dish out a lot more damage on stunned enemies once they get to that point which honestly makes sense and compensates for his somewhat longer stun time.
@@spiderdude2099 noone is saying he’s bad or performing bad, keep in mind this is a scale of mere seconds.He undoubtably stuns slower but you would not have noticed 3-4 seconds in normal gameplay. Plus you aren’t running a side by side comparison in regular gameplay.
@@nakfr0gyeah, also his passive that massively ups the damage enemies take. It’s sorta like he’ll take longer to get there, but then you shred their HP. Also, as you mentioned, his I frames are insanely long. You can use that even outside of situations where you’re looking to stun.
Koleda has been my main carry since day one, since I don't really care for any of the limiteds (plz Jane Doe, I don't know how much longer I can wait), it is very interesting to see how different the actual combat test results can be so different from the more controlled "lab" tests
but it is nice to see how they are all mostly within seconds (or a fraction of a second) of each other in the controlled tests
what can we learn:
- Koleda's W-Engine is fucking nuts
The balancing in this game is actually pretty solid
Nice, I would do some with the faction/element passive active for anby since she recovers more energy that way and with Qingyi because her daze power increases but other than that great video
Thanks for this video and showing testing in actual combat situations rather than useless training dummy numbers. Koleda is my main stunner and I think one thing that can get missed is that she has full invulnerability during the 3rd and 4th hit of her enhanced basic AND also has full invulnerability during her EX special. With good timing this lets her get her full big stun combos off against aggressive enemies by simply iFraming through their attacks, and as was shown the majority of her daze is getting to that ridiculous explosion at the end of her combo. Against the Hati I don't think that 2nd dodge counter was needed - going straight into her EX special would have simply ignored the attack. Afterwards when the projectile was charging you could have simply finished the enhanced basic because the 3rd and 4th hits are completely invulnerable. Not landing the enhanced basic combo a single time is doing her entire stun kit an injustice.
It also might be weird, but I use Lycaon's W-Engine over her signature. Why? The daze bonus is a 30% multiplier (and buffs DMG as well), compared to Koleda's giving usually just 10% to the daze alone. I'd rather have the larger buff than a passive that only applies when she's not fighting. Also the buff starts building immediately instead of only after her EX Special. Real world situation is Koleda comes in with a defensive assist (and so starts out charged). You immediately go into her enhanced basic and with Lycaon's engine the buff is charged by the time you do the final two huge hits. With Koleda you have nothing until after the combo is over, and at that point you only have a single 10% stack going into a second combo where with Lycaon's engine you're 30% buffed for everything.
I'd be curious to see some of those tests done with his engine - Koleda's engine is not good for these kinds of tests because the passive does nothing. Against the last boss where her combos got him to 90 daze and then you had to finish with basic hits, with Lycaon's engine that would have been the stun right there in 12s instead of 18s.
Anby being an A rank unit gives some surprising stun numbers, but sadly she's the only one that brings nothing besides stun to the team. All other stunners brings something else that increases the team DPS potential. I'm still going for Qingyi since Anby is the only stunner I own.
Great video! That's some really good info and tests!
That's why she is an A-rank
people forget she still brings the stun which is still a 50% stun dmg boost.
People often not remember the benefits of a stun and seem to see 60% on qing yi and go monke.
The fact she does her job is good enough as a free unit stunner at A-rank.
@@cookiewithlove2081well i mean…. Yeah. Going from 200 to 260 is not a simple increase lol, of course people go monke.
@@cookiewithlove2081 Sure, but you can stun without stun units. Some people run double support setups in place of a stunner and it works well enough. Anby just makes the stun process faster. That being said, no shade to her, I actually use her a lot.
@@reedsad4652 The difference is its not a 4 star that powercrept anby, its a 5 star.
While I do admit her kit is hella good, everyone who pulled for zhu yuan is probably hella broke by now.
The second problem is her sub-banner is probably the most blatant disgusting thing I had ever seen. [2 DPS 4 star carries of he same element and the most over bloated one PHYSICAL.]
Anby survived after being “Powercreep”
All four of them are Stone Cold Stunners.. gimme a Hell Yeah!!
Apart from increasing the stun multiplier by 30%, Lycaon also decreases the enemie's ice res so, in ice teams he's still the best stunner, so it really depends on what team your playing. In conclusion they're all great!
My favorite stunner is koleda. Great damage and group stuns with/without Ben. And she increases stun dmg multiplier by 70% after two ex specials. Definitely my main
Worst part with Anby is that her combo string stops if you dodge or get hit, but Qingyi combo continues, so in real combat it is easier for her. It usually matters when there more than 1 enemy, tho.
Great video, wish there was more stuff like this
dang its really great Comparision, i do Like Anby because how easy to use her and the special basic combo is feels good to pull off and have great payout of daze meter. seems Energy Disc really good for her huh. good video man love ya works
btw, Qinyi recently got a buff of 60% to 80% stun damage multiplier , and 16.5% to 29% 3na Daze multiplier
oh and impaired does quite to the daze meter too at the last bosses, and only qingyi make the enemy impaired in this vid.. maybe that can be sanction about the late heavy attack on qingyi run
this is a really good video, great effort.
I'm glad this video exists
Obviously there’s some minor time differences here and there when there’s comparisons but I feel like even if there’s certain situations where certain agents do better, Lycaon and Qingyi are just much better because of more consistent damage output and support capabilities. I personally think that qingyi’s w-engine (20% attack boost for all squad when proccing 15 basic attacks) is wild and enough reason to put her on the top regardless of stun times
They really should add an interupt resist buff on Anby in one of her mindscapes specifically right after doing basic 3 to thunderbolt that part should have a huge interupt resist
Excellent showcase. This has opened my eyes on which stunner to have around. While I do have all 3 stunners in 1.0 I cannot afford to build them all up. Rngesus gave me Lycaon and while I adore him and his s his speed is clearly too slow compared to Anby. This data will help improve our clear times in shiyu defense.