Read 6-61 in the maual for "Octane Numbers Learning." I wish i would have read first instead of listening to everyone. THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS: •"When high and constant speed driving is possible (highway, expressway, freeway, ect.) Top gear fixed (MT: 6th gear) (DCT: 8th gear) Constant speed control (Cruise control is possible) Vehicle speed - 68-99mph Driving time - 5 minutes or more •"When high and constant speed is NOT available (circuit, ect.) 4th gear or 5th gear fixed. Accelerator pedal - 40%-70% Vehicle speed - 25-75mph, repeating slow acceleration within the area. Driving time - 5 minutes or more." Well, I guess you dont need to read the manual now, lol. Thats all that it says. It gives some graphs too. I tried the highway one for more than 5 minutes, once. Didnt work. The second option has worked several times for me. I just wish i read the manual sooner instead of listening to others because I was trying to keep the throttle at exactly 50% which was kind of hard ( though I got better at it) and hard on my brakes. This is just slow acceleration and deceleration. Much easier. Its still a pain in the ass though. I just need a tune with a better fuel pump. Thank you for your video!
@N-Power Automotive Have you had the car “forget” the octane learning? In other words, you successfully octane-learned the ECU and we’re achieving 18-19 lbs boost, and then, after turning the car off going to drive it again, boost was being limited to 15-16 psi? This just happened with my car. Filled up Saturday night on way home after using all the dealer-supplied fuel, with which I was getting full boost. Drove the car to work the next day, successfully octane-learned it on the way to work with the 70+ MPH cruise control method (was getting full boost on way home from work). Fast forward to today, I take the N out to hit some backroads around here and it’s limiting boost to 15-16 psi. Tried getting out on I-40 and setting cruise control to above 70 mph for 5 minutes. Didn’t work. Tried again for another 5 minutes. Still didn’t work. It must require longer than five minutes. The way the owners manual is worded, it actually does sort of say five minutes would be the minimum. I do wonder if the conditions in which I was driving today factored in and the ECU limited boost. It would be cool to talk with the engineer who designed the system to get a better understanding of how it works.
@@johnmpifer I’ve never noticed that happening, but it’s possible I haven’t paid that much attention to it. Also, keep in mind the turbo boost can vary depending on temp/humidity, so maybe it was cooler the night you octane learned making the full boost, but hotter the next day so it pulled some. Just a guess.
@@n-power-automotiveThat’s definitely possible, depending on how the system works. It was probably about 75° when I did the octane learning, and then yesterday when I went out to hit some backroads, it was over 90°. However, it was also over 90° when I drove home the afternoon after I did the octane learning, so IDK.
I am going to have to map out the route now. For the 2023 model, it is a bit easier? For DCT (which I have), it's 8th gear, 68mph-99mph, preferably cruise control, for 5+ minutes. When you can't have that constant speed it gives guidance of 4th or 5th gear fixed, 40%-70% on the accelerator peddle, 25-75 mph repeating slow acceleration within the area, and for 5+ minutes. They give a graph showing of octane learning when high and constant speed is not available. It is going up and down in vehicle speed, in 4th or 5th gear, fluctuating the pedal from 40% to 70%..
I suspect those wheels are lighter than the factory wheels and helped give you a small boost over stock. Great runs though! I'd love to get mine in the 12's.
Thanks! Yes, the wheel and tire combo knocked 9lbs off each corner, so they definitely help, but at the same time the Continental tires aren’t as grippy as the stock Michelins. Still I’ll take the weight savings for a little less grip.
I whole heartedly believe you about the octane learning but where did you find the information that this car has it? I’d love to read a little more about it. So you need to do octane learning every time? Even if you put in the same octane every time? Love your n videos, I’ve had a elentra gt nline(love and miss that car) have a elentra sport now 2018 and love this car also but I’m itching to get a full blown N car. The looks of the refreshed elentra N have finally got me excited can’t wait to see more photos of the car in darker colours in natural light!
Same here with Shell if at all possible. I swear it runs better on it. Anyways, I agree with all your points. I had a lot of heated exchanges about this on FB with some saying it made no changes to the car. I'm 33,xxx miles into ownership and it has definitely been frustrating. While I do live in a rural area and don't have to worry about traffic as much, it is a hilly, curvy area and sometimes is tough to maintain 8th gear for that long without bogging the engine. Neither I nor anyone I've talked to have been successful in learning with the slower method either. I assumed that's why you didn't even mention it.
I feel ya! And yeah, I didn’t mention the other method both because no one I know of has ever gotten it to work and frankly I never understood it even after reading it multiple times.
@N-Power Automotive yeah, It's confusing to say the least. I understand they were going for best of both worlds, fuel efficient and power but what I would do for a 91+ only in the manual. Eventually planning on a tune to cure it. Haven't done any changes to the car except for getting a winter setup and running the same conti's you are.
Interesting Cool to know. Once mine comes in, this shouldn't be a problem. I work in the next State. So doesn't 70 mph plus for 10 minutes is no issues. After i fill up, im right on the highway heading to work.
Octane learning is some bunk. It took an 8th tank of gas to learn, and as soon as I shut off the vehicle, it reset. You are better off with a dedicated tune or an ECU swap.
This happens to me every time. I had no idea how hard it is to drive above 70 mph for five consecutive minutes. Like clockwork, I’ll be at 4 minutes and change and traffic will bunch up for no reason and drop me out of the speed minimum.
It sucks for sure, I have to get on the interstate and go 10 minutes one-way then turn around and come 10 minutes back completely out of my way. I wish they had some kind of a switch or button. I use Costco 93 octane and it works great every time I do the procedure.
Exactly. A minimum of 20 minutes of wasted time. I edited out a similar idea in my video where I was pleading to tuners to make a button to instantly trick the ECU into thinking it’s octane tuned. I may reach out to one with the idea. I think it’d be a big seller.
I would buy it. It would pay for itself pretty quickly considering the 20 minute drive I wouldn’t have to take on every fill up. I have gotten to the point where I don’t even do it unless it’s on a weekend.
I never bothered trying to do the octane learning because I just got a stage 1 tune within a couple of months after getting the car. Now octane learning is disabled and I get full Boost without having to even use NGS and I'm getting a 22 PSI. I still haven't done any 0-60 runs yet but I will soon. Now my car is how it should have come from the factory in my opinion and I'm very happy with it.
This is why we all need to get our EN tuned lol luckily my car stays in octane learning most of the time here in Texas. I heard weather, roads and throttle response have a factor in it. The few times my car goes back to limp mode it damn near makes me wanna sell it , too slow.
My normal driving to and from work doesn’t allow me to do highway octane learning. Only option I might have is the 4th or 5th gear learning. Can anyone help or explain to me better how to do it. I can’t seem to get it
Does anyone know if you still have to octane learn when running a tune? I am on a JB4 piggyback on my Kona N but I had no idea if this process still occurs, or needs to occur. All comes back to this system being overly complicated, even when stock, and the lack of notification(s) for this process. Really annoying part that detracts from such a great car. I wish there was an option in the settings to just select what octane you used, rather than this convoluted method.
I've been doing it in 4th gear at exactly 50% throttle, between 25-75mph. I start as close to 25mph as possible and hold it for at least 5 seconds. Then repeat a whole bunch of times. I use this country road that's maybe a couple miles long, back and forth. It's hard but I've gotten better at it for sure. It's obviously easiest in eco-mode. Last time, it even stayed learned through the next day. That did not happen the first time. I have no idea why. The car is SO much more fun, in my opinion, with OL. And it's such a pain in the ass to have to do this procedure. Also, I hate saying, "Octane Learned." It's almost worse than "N Grin Shift." LOL, wtf? I'm happy I have a stick. Oh yeah, it never starts just doing it after my runs. It always seems to be after the car is shut down for a while. Ill try it. Wont succeed. Go home. And a few hours later, go to the store or something, and Ill notice its feeling strong and check out my psi, and ill hit 19 in 3rd gear. Ive even tried shutting the car down for a little after an attempt and it doesnt work then, either. So yeah, frustrating. I wish there was some sort of indicator. Watch, later models will have something way better and easier, damn it. Ill just have to get a tune, I guess 🤷♂️
I’m very frustrated with it, lol. I’m not sure what I always do wrong, but I have plenty of open road around me and time to drive being that I commute to work every day and it still seems that I am unable to get octane learning to work correctly. Then randomly out of nowhere about halfway through my tank it seems to kick in and I’m getting 18 to 19 pounds of boost. Do I need to stop and restart the car after I do the 10 minute drive at 70 or above and fixed sixth?
Dang sorry to hear that. No, you shouldn’t have to turn the car off and back on. I have heard octane learning is harder to get right in the 6 speed. I wish I had an answer.
If you can even get your car to octane learn, there's a bunch of us that can't even get it to octane learn. I mean the manual says that you have to be over 20% throttle at least 65 mph for 5 minutes When I have cruise set at 65 mph I'm only at like 10 to 11% throttle😂
Should you octane learn before the the engine is broken in. I just bought a new 2023 N just curious. The owner's manual says break in period is around I think around 900 miles
Well, with engine break-in you’re not supposed to go over 4,500 RPM, so octane learning really is irrelevant because you’re only going to notice it when going wide open throttle and getting up higher in the RPM range. I’d wait until after the 600 mile break-in period.
Just make sure the 18” wheels you buy have a width, offset and center bore size that will work with the Elantra N. Your best bet is buying or at least researching them from an online retailer like Tire Rack that will only show you wheels that will fit your model car.
Would this be something to worry about just owning the EN for a Daily Driver? I've owned a 2020 Limited Elantra before and want to get back into one but willing to sacrifice some Gas mileage for some fun.
So, does it octane learn every time you follow the octane learning procedure, or only after a fill? What if you don't top off your tank, will it not try to octane learn? What all triggers it to octane learn? Also, what if you can't mediately get on the highway after fueling, will it just wait until you do the procedure?
My understanding is it will only octane learn after filling your tank with gas. I don’t know if that means completely or just adding gas. I always fill it completely up.
Crazy thought here 😂 would it be possible to jack the front of the car so the front wheels are free to turn, and do an octane learning on your driveway?
Yep MT owner here. Only run 93 octane and only see 15 to 16 lb s. I saw 18 lb after break in period but then one time I was going wide open throttle and the car just fell flat on its face like it got knock and pulled timing. ever since that happened I only see 15 to 16 lbs no matter what I do. Car feels slow. 230 to 240 wheel horsepower Is not much out of a 3,200 lb vehicle.
Phoenix area in Arizona currently has the most expensive gas in the country. Even more than LA, Chicago, and NYC. There's no way in hell i'm paying for premium. Regular is already ridiculous. I bought this car, and my previous KIA Optima SX turbo BECAUSE you can use regular gas.
I mean you can do that, but you’re definitely not going get the most performance out of the engine. The detergents they put in premium gas will help keep your injectors clean too, so as per the manual you should add fuel injector cleaner. This video was made for those of us trying to get the most out of the Elantra N. You’re free to have your own agenda.
@@n-power-automotive - I mean, i'm not racing the car, nor trying to impress someone on the road by driving all fast. I left my 20s 2 decades ago. I also use Top-Tier gas as it is (QT, 76, Shell, Chevron or whatever.) It's not an "agenda." I'd just rather not waste money on premium for no real reason.
@@GenXisT again, that’s your prerogative, and that’s fine, but most people that buy a performance car tend to want to get the most performance out of it.
@@kodyking3090 - Hey genius, who said anything about not being able to afford it? I'll wait.... Oh, right, no one said that. If you had actually read what I said instead of chiming in when no one was talking to your dumb ass, you'd be better served.
Yes, the first time I achieved octane learning, I remember the acceleration feeling much more forceful and holding through the powerband. It felt like a different car.
@@mroberts7519 funny, I remember the first time I went wide open throttle after the 600 mile break in and the car felt so strong, but then the next time I did it wasn’t as impressive. I bet the car was octane learned the first time and not the second.
It’d do quite the opposite. 93 octane burns cleaner. 87 will eventually gunk things up. Look in the owners manual. It says if you use 87, you’re supposed to run a fuel additive through the car every xxxx miles for that exact reason. I personally would never run 87 in mine unless it was absolutely necessary because premium wasn’t available.
Its quite anoyying, as someone who never needs to use the highway my car randomly octane learns itself when only a quarter of the tank remains so it feels like im wasting money when I don't see the effects of 93 octane untill its time to fill up.
Yeah I bet that’d be frustrating. Thankfully I do use the highway from time to time, so it’s not completely out of my way to fill up before going for a drive, but I still feel like there must be a better way they could’ve designed the system.
Agreed. Like any other older car the PCM detects what octane just by giving the car a little bit of knock if you have a lower octane in the car. If you run higher octane it's happy and you get good power. Very simple. This car being an N car, it should be premium only.
@@4drturbo85 the EN probably still does this to determine between 87 and 91 and adjust power accordingly but it probably just wants to be extra safe about giving you an additional 3-4 extra PSI of boost
I hate octane learning. Sometimes I do it and it doesn't happen. I buy nothing but high-octane gas - usually the most expensive stuff. Still, octane learning is this weird thing that ai pursue, but don't always even achieve. That alone is a reason to consider a tune.
I wish I could just tell the car what octane gas I have in it. I was going to buy one of these cars but until I learned of this BS I'm really considering another option.
Question: Elantra N supposed to be better in all aspects that the Elantra N Line ? Honest question . Sorry if misunderstood Spanish is my first language. Because here in Puerto Rico I was contemplating between buying and Elantra N 2024 or a Mustang Ecoboost 2024 .But is that it the case I think I am better with the Mustang Ecoboost 2024 .
@@romankevin12 the Elantra N is the top model. The Elantra N-Line is the model below it. Elantra N = 276hp, Elantra N-Line = 200hp. The N competes against the Civic Type R. The N-Line competes against the Civic SI.
its not that hard. at least not for me. i live in California and drive from the i.e. to la for work and put 91 gas in my dct and it have plenty of room to drive 70 for well over the time frame. i guess for others it sucks to suck
Fill up, put in ECO mode, drive on highway at 70mph or above in 8th gear for 10 minutes. I put mine in manual mode so it holds in 8th gear and doesn’t downshift if I encounter a hill.
@n-power-automotive okay, thanks! I was told and thought in normal mode that could be why it will never do it! And 10 min. Have you ever done the other method in 4th gear 40 to 70% throttle?
@@animaljoe1 normal mode is supposed to work as well, but by habit I throw it into ECO. I have not tried the other method because to me it just seems too confusing and like there’s too many factors to work out.
@n-power-automotive I was just curious because i can't get either one to work lol. once you drive for the ten minutes do you just floor it to see if you got more boost or do you drive regular and wait for sometime to pass or do you switch it into sport or mode and then floor it to see if you got more boost? Sorry for all the specifics I just wanna figure this crap out already
@@kodyking3090Increasing tank size from 12 gallons to, say, 15 gallons, would increase weight very little, and would increase range by at least 60 miles (probably more), giving a max range of closer to 400 miles, instead of the just over 300 miles of the current tank size. And if one were concerned about the weight of the 3 extra gallons (about 18 lbs), then just partially fill the tank.
Read 6-61 in the maual for "Octane Numbers Learning." I wish i would have read first instead of listening to everyone.
THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS:
•"When high and constant speed driving is possible (highway, expressway, freeway, ect.) Top gear fixed (MT: 6th gear) (DCT: 8th gear) Constant speed control (Cruise control is possible)
Vehicle speed - 68-99mph
Driving time - 5 minutes or more
•"When high and constant speed is NOT available (circuit, ect.) 4th gear or 5th gear fixed.
Accelerator pedal - 40%-70%
Vehicle speed - 25-75mph, repeating slow acceleration within the area.
Driving time - 5 minutes or more."
Well, I guess you dont need to read the manual now, lol. Thats all that it says. It gives some graphs too.
I tried the highway one for more than 5 minutes, once. Didnt work. The second option has worked several times for me. I just wish i read the manual sooner instead of listening to others because I was trying to keep the throttle at exactly 50% which was kind of hard ( though I got better at it) and hard on my brakes.
This is just slow acceleration and deceleration. Much easier.
Its still a pain in the ass though. I just need a tune with a better fuel pump.
Thank you for your video!
Great video brother, I love the intro to your video haha plus your are finally in 4’s club congrats I’m yet to get there myself 😃
Thanks man! You’ll get there I’m sure.
@N-Power Automotive Have you had the car “forget” the octane learning?
In other words, you successfully octane-learned the ECU and we’re achieving 18-19 lbs boost, and then, after turning the car off going to drive it again, boost was being limited to 15-16 psi?
This just happened with my car.
Filled up Saturday night on way home after using all the dealer-supplied fuel, with which I was getting full boost.
Drove the car to work the next day, successfully octane-learned it on the way to work with the 70+ MPH cruise control method (was getting full boost on way home from work).
Fast forward to today, I take the N out to hit some backroads around here and it’s limiting boost to 15-16 psi.
Tried getting out on I-40 and setting cruise control to above 70 mph for 5 minutes.
Didn’t work.
Tried again for another 5 minutes.
Still didn’t work.
It must require longer than five minutes.
The way the owners manual is worded, it actually does sort of say five minutes would be the minimum.
I do wonder if the conditions in which I was driving today factored in and the ECU limited boost.
It would be cool to talk with the engineer who designed the system to get a better understanding of how it works.
@@johnmpifer I’ve never noticed that happening, but it’s possible I haven’t paid that much attention to it. Also, keep in mind the turbo boost can vary depending on temp/humidity, so maybe it was cooler the night you octane learned making the full boost, but hotter the next day so it pulled some. Just a guess.
@@n-power-automotiveThat’s definitely possible, depending on how the system works.
It was probably about 75° when I did the octane learning, and then yesterday when I went out to hit some backroads, it was over 90°.
However, it was also over 90° when I drove home the afternoon after I did the octane learning, so IDK.
I am going to have to map out the route now. For the 2023 model, it is a bit easier? For DCT (which I have), it's 8th gear, 68mph-99mph, preferably cruise control, for 5+ minutes. When you can't have that constant speed it gives guidance of 4th or 5th gear fixed, 40%-70% on the accelerator peddle, 25-75 mph repeating slow acceleration within the area, and for 5+ minutes. They give a graph showing of octane learning when high and constant speed is not available. It is going up and down in vehicle speed, in 4th or 5th gear, fluctuating the pedal from 40% to 70%..
I suspect those wheels are lighter than the factory wheels and helped give you a small boost over stock. Great runs though! I'd love to get mine in the 12's.
Thanks! Yes, the wheel and tire combo knocked 9lbs off each corner, so they definitely help, but at the same time the Continental tires aren’t as grippy as the stock Michelins. Still I’ll take the weight savings for a little less grip.
Stage 1 tune no more octane learning
I whole heartedly believe you about the octane learning but where did you find the information that this car has it? I’d love to read a little more about it. So you need to do octane learning every time? Even if you put in the same octane every time?
Love your n videos, I’ve had a elentra gt nline(love and miss that car) have a elentra sport now 2018 and love this car also but I’m itching to get a full blown N car. The looks of the refreshed elentra N have finally got me excited can’t wait to see more photos of the car in darker colours in natural light!
It’s in the owners manual which you can probably find online.
Same here with Shell if at all possible. I swear it runs better on it. Anyways, I agree with all your points. I had a lot of heated exchanges about this on FB with some saying it made no changes to the car. I'm 33,xxx miles into ownership and it has definitely been frustrating. While I do live in a rural area and don't have to worry about traffic as much, it is a hilly, curvy area and sometimes is tough to maintain 8th gear for that long without bogging the engine. Neither I nor anyone I've talked to have been successful in learning with the slower method either. I assumed that's why you didn't even mention it.
I feel ya! And yeah, I didn’t mention the other method both because no one I know of has ever gotten it to work and frankly I never understood it even after reading it multiple times.
@N-Power Automotive yeah, It's confusing to say the least. I understand they were going for best of both worlds, fuel efficient and power but what I would do for a 91+ only in the manual. Eventually planning on a tune to cure it. Haven't done any changes to the car except for getting a winter setup and running the same conti's you are.
@@jasonyoung9248 nice. Same here. A tune just makes sense.
Interesting
Cool to know. Once mine comes in, this shouldn't be a problem. I work in the next State. So doesn't 70 mph plus for 10 minutes is no issues. After i fill up, im right on the highway heading to work.
It's annoying in my Kona N. I just fill up then run errands via the highway. 70mph in normal mode with cruise on. Takes 10mins everytime.
No wheel hop? Awesome 👌
I wouldn’t say no wheel hop, but it’s dramatically reduced.
Octane learning is some bunk. It took an 8th tank of gas to learn, and as soon as I shut off the vehicle, it reset. You are better off with a dedicated tune or an ECU swap.
Oh the frustration of getting 4 minutes into training when you have to slow down due to traffic. Plus the 12.x gallon tank doesn't help any.
Yessssss!
This happens to me every time. I had no idea how hard it is to drive above 70 mph for five consecutive minutes. Like clockwork, I’ll be at 4 minutes and change and traffic will bunch up for no reason and drop me out of the speed minimum.
It sucks for sure, I have to get on the interstate and go 10 minutes one-way then turn around and come 10 minutes back completely out of my way. I wish they had some kind of a switch or button. I use Costco 93 octane and it works great every time I do the procedure.
Exactly. A minimum of 20 minutes of wasted time. I edited out a similar idea in my video where I was pleading to tuners to make a button to instantly trick the ECU into thinking it’s octane tuned. I may reach out to one with the idea. I think it’d be a big seller.
I would buy it. It would pay for itself pretty quickly considering the 20 minute drive I wouldn’t have to take on every fill up. I have gotten to the point where I don’t even do it unless it’s on a weekend.
I never bothered trying to do the octane learning because I just got a stage 1 tune within a couple of months after getting the car. Now octane learning is disabled and I get full Boost without having to even use NGS and I'm getting a 22 PSI. I still haven't done any 0-60 runs yet but I will soon. Now my car is how it should have come from the factory in my opinion and I'm very happy with it.
That’s great! I’m sure I’ll end up tuning sooner than later. What tune did you go with?
N75 motorsports on a spare ECU with the 7K redline. I'm glad it got it when I did because now the price is $200 more.
Daaaang, 22 psi would be rad!
Nice but say goodbye to a warranty claim if your motor goes boom boom. I don't really trust a Hyundai motor 😂
The dealer will tell you swapped ecu’s. You just shit canned a 100k mile warranty for a little extra power
This is why we all need to get our EN tuned lol luckily my car stays in octane learning most of the time here in Texas. I heard weather, roads and throttle response have a factor in it. The few times my car goes back to limp mode it damn near makes me wanna sell it , too slow.
Yeah it’s very tempting to tune it. Very lol.
But if you tune it you void your warranty 😭😭
@@samuelsmith9180 yep that’s the one thing holding me back.
@@n-power-automotivethat’s why you get a separate ecu with it flashed lol
My normal driving to and from work doesn’t allow me to do highway octane learning. Only option I might have is the 4th or 5th gear learning. Can anyone help or explain to me better how to do it. I can’t seem to get it
Does anyone know if you still have to octane learn when running a tune? I am on a JB4 piggyback on my Kona N but I had no idea if this process still occurs, or needs to occur.
All comes back to this system being overly complicated, even when stock, and the lack of notification(s) for this process. Really annoying part that detracts from such a great car. I wish there was an option in the settings to just select what octane you used, rather than this convoluted method.
I believe when tuned the octane learning no longer works.
I've been doing it in 4th gear at exactly 50% throttle, between 25-75mph. I start as close to 25mph as possible and hold it for at least 5 seconds. Then repeat a whole bunch of times. I use this country road that's maybe a couple miles long, back and forth. It's hard but I've gotten better at it for sure. It's obviously easiest in eco-mode.
Last time, it even stayed learned through the next day. That did not happen the first time. I have no idea why.
The car is SO much more fun, in my opinion, with OL. And it's such a pain in the ass to have to do this procedure.
Also, I hate saying, "Octane Learned." It's almost worse than "N Grin Shift." LOL, wtf? I'm happy I have a stick.
Oh yeah, it never starts just doing it after my runs. It always seems to be after the car is shut down for a while. Ill try it. Wont succeed. Go home. And a few hours later, go to the store or something, and Ill notice its feeling strong and check out my psi, and ill hit 19 in 3rd gear.
Ive even tried shutting the car down for a little after an attempt and it doesnt work then, either. So yeah, frustrating. I wish there was some sort of indicator.
Watch, later models will have something way better and easier, damn it. Ill just have to get a tune, I guess 🤷♂️
I’m very frustrated with it, lol. I’m not sure what I always do wrong, but I have plenty of open road around me and time to drive being that I commute to work every day and it still seems that I am unable to get octane learning to work correctly. Then randomly out of nowhere about halfway through my tank it seems to kick in and I’m getting 18 to 19 pounds of boost. Do I need to stop and restart the car after I do the 10 minute drive at 70 or above and fixed sixth?
Dang sorry to hear that. No, you shouldn’t have to turn the car off and back on. I have heard octane learning is harder to get right in the 6 speed. I wish I had an answer.
If you can even get your car to octane learn, there's a bunch of us that can't even get it to octane learn. I mean the manual says that you have to be over 20% throttle at least 65 mph for 5 minutes When I have cruise set at 65 mph I'm only at like 10 to 11% throttle😂
Should you octane learn before the the engine is broken in. I just bought a new 2023 N just curious. The owner's manual says break in period is around I think around 900 miles
Well, with engine break-in you’re not supposed to go over 4,500 RPM, so octane learning really is irrelevant because you’re only going to notice it when going wide open throttle and getting up higher in the RPM range. I’d wait until after the 600 mile break-in period.
I wonder if you put better then 93 , if it would make adjustments for that?
Not sure on that one.
What did you have to do when changing to 18in tires bc I’m thinking of doing the same thing
Just make sure the 18” wheels you buy have a width, offset and center bore size that will work with the Elantra N. Your best bet is buying or at least researching them from an online retailer like Tire Rack that will only show you wheels that will fit your model car.
Would this be something to worry about just owning the EN for a Daily Driver? I've owned a 2020 Limited Elantra before and want to get back into one but willing to sacrifice some Gas mileage for some fun.
Nah, it’s nothing to worry about as a daily. Even without it being octane learned it’s silly fast and fun.
So, does it octane learn every time you follow the octane learning procedure, or only after a fill?
What if you don't top off your tank, will it not try to octane learn?
What all triggers it to octane learn?
Also, what if you can't mediately get on the highway after fueling, will it just wait until you do the procedure?
My understanding is it will only octane learn after filling your tank with gas. I don’t know if that means completely or just adding gas. I always fill it completely up.
@@n-power-automotive OK, thanks for the fast reply 👍
So once you octane learn on 93 and stick with it on every fill up, do you have to keep doing it?
Yes. Every single time you fill up.
Once it’s learned the octane you are going to be using does it forget? Do you need to do it every fill up?
Every. Freaking. Fill up.
Crazy thought here 😂 would it be possible to jack the front of the car so the front wheels are free to turn, and do an octane learning on your driveway?
😂 I don’t think that would be wise
@@n-power-automotive im assuming the car needs some resistance for octane learning
If u use the same shell 93 every time why would it have to learn again just bc u added more to the tank? That’s ridiculous.
Yes that’s exactly why. It’s annoying.
@@n-power-automotive Perhaps there is a way to trick it. Like, filling up while the car is still running. Hmmm 🤔
Yep MT owner here. Only run 93 octane and only see 15 to 16 lb s. I saw 18 lb after break in period but then one time I was going wide open throttle and the car just fell flat on its face like it got knock and pulled timing. ever since that happened I only see 15 to 16 lbs no matter what I do. Car feels slow. 230 to 240 wheel horsepower Is not much out of a 3,200 lb vehicle.
Have the dealer look at it and fix it
I try not to use octane learn after fill up, i just end up with worse gas mileage.
I used to get it every day easy but ever since someone rear ended me and I got my car back it hasn’t done it. It sat for 7 weeks maybe that’s why?
That’s really odd. I don’t know why that would be. You do the octane learning procedure after filling up and it still doesn’t work?
@@n-power-automotive I got it to work today actually no issue so idk maybe I wasn’t fully paying attention to my gears and the time
@@chaseo4557 good to hear! 👍🏻
Where are you that 93 is 3.59?
Kroger fuel points lol
So does this happen every single time you fill up or just when you change octane?
Every single time you fill up 😔
It sometimes resets it randomly during a tank as well, just to really keep you guessing.
Most frustrating thing I've ever experienced with a car.
@@alritevegemite so what are the side effects/issues with octane learning. Does the car go limp or throw a CEL?
@@alritevegemite I haven’t experienced that personally, but I have heard others say the same thing. It is a very weird thing to deal with.
Phoenix area in Arizona currently has the most expensive gas in the country. Even more than LA, Chicago, and NYC. There's no way in hell i'm paying for premium. Regular is already ridiculous. I bought this car, and my previous KIA Optima SX turbo BECAUSE you can use regular gas.
I mean you can do that, but you’re definitely not going get the most performance out of the engine. The detergents they put in premium gas will help keep your injectors clean too, so as per the manual you should add fuel injector cleaner. This video was made for those of us trying to get the most out of the Elantra N. You’re free to have your own agenda.
@@n-power-automotive - I mean, i'm not racing the car, nor trying to impress someone on the road by driving all fast. I left my 20s 2 decades ago. I also use Top-Tier gas as it is (QT, 76, Shell, Chevron or whatever.) It's not an "agenda." I'd just rather not waste money on premium for no real reason.
@@GenXisT again, that’s your prerogative, and that’s fine, but most people that buy a performance car tend to want to get the most performance out of it.
If you can’t afford premium fuel for a performance car you should not have bought it
@@kodyking3090 - Hey genius, who said anything about not being able to afford it?
I'll wait....
Oh, right, no one said that. If you had actually read what I said instead of chiming in when no one was talking to your dumb ass, you'd be better served.
I can definitely tell a massive difference between 15psi and 18-20psi. WIld
Yeah, definitely agreed. .
Yes, the first time I achieved octane learning, I remember the acceleration feeling much more forceful and holding through the powerband. It felt like a different car.
@@mroberts7519 funny, I remember the first time I went wide open throttle after the 600 mile break in and the car felt so strong, but then the next time I did it wasn’t as impressive. I bet the car was octane learned the first time and not the second.
Can I just do regular 87 as a daily driver ? Will it still keep the engine smooth and clean?
It’d do quite the opposite. 93 octane burns cleaner. 87 will eventually gunk things up. Look in the owners manual. It says if you use 87, you’re supposed to run a fuel additive through the car every xxxx miles for that exact reason. I personally would never run 87 in mine unless it was absolutely necessary because premium wasn’t available.
Thank you so much, I was thinking about it as well. Im waiting for the 2024 Elantra N, Saving up for it. Appreciate your advice. @@n-power-automotive
@@Dr__Dee__ you’re welcome. Good luck getting a 2024!
Its quite anoyying, as someone who never needs to use the highway my car randomly octane learns itself when only a quarter of the tank remains so it feels like im wasting money when I don't see the effects of 93 octane untill its time to fill up.
Yeah I bet that’d be frustrating. Thankfully I do use the highway from time to time, so it’s not completely out of my way to fill up before going for a drive, but I still feel like there must be a better way they could’ve designed the system.
The additives helps clean your injectors and overall better for your motor so you’re still getting benefits
@@kodyking3090 but the additives are in all the different octanes
unless ur at shell where there "7 times more additives in premium'
I have a 1.5 tune ECM and believe octane learning is not operating. Car is absolute missile.
Octane learning is only on non-tuned Elantra N’s.
You have to do this everytime you put gas in the car?! Or just when you change from different octane gas?
Every time you fill up.
@@n-power-automotive Dang, that's kinda annoying.
@@S.Matt240 very!
Why can't the car learn after one time putting 93 in? I just don't understand how the computer can't be programmed to sense a certain type of gas
Exactly. I don’t know of any other car that requires you to do something specific to make it understand you put premium fuel in. Crazy.
Agreed. Like any other older car the PCM detects what octane just by giving the car a little bit of knock if you have a lower octane in the car. If you run higher octane it's happy and you get good power. Very simple. This car being an N car, it should be premium only.
@@4drturbo85 the EN probably still does this to determine between 87 and 91 and adjust power accordingly but it probably just wants to be extra safe about giving you an additional 3-4 extra PSI of boost
Um weird question, It relearns after every fill up right? What if you dont turn off the car whilr filling up, Would stop it?
Interesting question. I have no idea. I always shut the car off when I fill up, so I’m not sure what would happen.
@@n-power-automotive well I guess I be the test, Filling up today and never octane learned so it be the first for everything
@@kennykeditsdid you figure it out? Thinking of getting one and this would save a headache if this works
never got it to work so i could not test the theory, just got a jb4 and called it a day
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@kennykedits did you figure it out? Thinking of getting one and this would save a headache if this works.
You don't have to constantly octane learn after you've done it once and if you run the same fuel all of the time, do you? Should be set I'd think...
Unfortunately yes you do
@n-power-automotive Wow that's retarded... a tune should eliminate that then, right?
I hate octane learning. Sometimes I do it and it doesn't happen. I buy nothing but high-octane gas - usually the most expensive stuff. Still, octane learning is this weird thing that ai pursue, but don't always even achieve. That alone is a reason to consider a tune.
I 100% agree. I will likely get a tune at some point just so I don’t have to deal with it any more.
You have to do that shit every time you refill the gas? 😭😭😭
You don’t have to, but if you want the extra 2-3 psi you do. It’s annoying as hell.
@@n-power-automotive oh jeez 💀
i thought its 15mins for 70 in freeeway
No, not that long.
@@n-power-automotive 5MINS or longer tho right. thats on manual
Elantra N runs 12.9 1/4 mile. 😮
With lighter wheels. Not 100% stock
Some N drivers go on as if its Nos or something. Especially when racing. 😂😂
I wish I could just tell the car what octane gas I have in it. I was going to buy one of these cars but until I learned of this BS I'm really considering another option.
Yes it’s annoying, but it shouldn’t deter you from buying the car. It’s still plenty quick and fun even if not octane learned.
Thats why i bought an N-Line, just so i dont have to mess with dumb AF octane learning.✌️
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Question: Elantra N supposed to be better in all aspects that the Elantra N Line ? Honest question . Sorry if misunderstood Spanish is my first language. Because here in Puerto Rico I was contemplating between buying and Elantra N 2024 or a Mustang Ecoboost 2024 .But is that it the case I think I am better with the Mustang Ecoboost 2024 .
@@romankevin12 the Elantra N is the top model. The Elantra N-Line is the model below it. Elantra N = 276hp, Elantra N-Line = 200hp. The N competes against the Civic Type R. The N-Line competes against the Civic SI.
try your runs at 3100 rpm
I tried it and wow it definitely felt like it pulls harder!
its not that hard. at least not for me. i live in California and drive from the i.e. to la for work and put 91 gas in my dct and it have plenty of room to drive 70 for well over the time frame. i guess for others it sucks to suck
What method do you use to octane learn that it works for you? I can never ever get this crap to work
Fill up, put in ECO mode, drive on highway at 70mph or above in 8th gear for 10 minutes. I put mine in manual mode so it holds in 8th gear and doesn’t downshift if I encounter a hill.
@n-power-automotive okay, thanks! I was told and thought in normal mode that could be why it will never do it! And 10 min. Have you ever done the other method in 4th gear 40 to 70% throttle?
@@animaljoe1 normal mode is supposed to work as well, but by habit I throw it into ECO. I have not tried the other method because to me it just seems too confusing and like there’s too many factors to work out.
@n-power-automotive I was just curious because i can't get either one to work lol. once you drive for the ten minutes do you just floor it to see if you got more boost or do you drive regular and wait for sometime to pass or do you switch it into sport or mode and then floor it to see if you got more boost? Sorry for all the specifics I just wanna figure this crap out already
@@animaljoe1 I usually just drive it normal afterward and then monitor the boost when I do put it in N mode and floor it.
Made all the worse by a 12 gallon gas tsnk
Good point
More gas is more weight is less speed.
damn, drive on half full BOOM 🤯
@@kodyking3090Increasing tank size from 12 gallons to, say, 15 gallons, would increase weight very little, and would increase range by at least 60 miles (probably more), giving a max range of closer to 400 miles, instead of the just over 300 miles of the current tank size.
And if one were concerned about the weight of the 3 extra gallons (about 18 lbs), then just partially fill the tank.
@@johnmpifer well plus the weight of the bigger tank itself but yeah wouldn’t notice the difference that’s true
Geez, this car wpuld've been even less expensive without all that useless "safety" stuff.
Oh shit, that's fucking horrible
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